I think there should be a program by which people who need financial assistance due to a lack of employment receive it if they take part in a job training program. I think community colleges could play a large role in this. They are cheaper so it would cost the government less. 99 weeks of unemployment is the time it takes to get an associate degree. That kind of degree in a field that needs skilled workers would greatly help those people find employment and be able to support themselves again.
@JImmy4336 Friedman recommended a graduated minimum income to replace ALL the welfare and subsidies, and, for example, Social Security is a subsidy. Just as "empires" form around farm subsidies, there is an "empire" around the entire welfare establishment, which is why he wanted to cut out as many admins/paper pushers as possible.
@NoProbaloAmigo, Social Security is not a subsidy, it's a taxation of your own money that, odds are, you'll never receive back in total. If you took your "contribution" & the mandatory matching "contributions" of your employer & put that money in a stainless steel bucket and buried it in your back yard, you would have a much finer retirement than you ever will with SS. SS is a fraud, straight-up. It was sold to the American people as insurance and sold to the Supreme Court as a welfare program.
@LucisFerre1 It's a subsidy as far as there is a transfer of cash from the working to the retired. It would be interesting to make that calculation, because frankly, I don't know, and it will vary on the person.
@JImmy4336, that's a newt gingrich plan. (All economics aside, he's a revolting character, lol). I contend that poverty is not merely lack of money, (and certainly not lack of other people's money), it's lack of knowing how to create and keep ones own wealth and the willingness to do so. Those who are unwilling to manage their money will always be poor. One of my sisters, for example, is a ne're-do-well who has repeatedly refused to budget or plan and gone bankrupt twice. It takes all kinds...
@nutbagbrew102 said [[oh wow , so shes helping Satan get the unions organized down there lol]]
Nutbagbrew, Adam was put into someone else's garden to work it (Gen 2:15)under threat of punishment should he rebel. Satan was the first union organizer, lol! (Joke)
I know!!! Just look at socialist Sweden and their welfare state and the poverty they've trapped themselves too!! Good lord welfare is what's keeping starving kids from becoming millionaires.
@wangsta25 In fact, Sweden has a terrible immigration problem and immigrant unemployment due to what you call "socialist Sweden," which is only about half true.
WOW ! Thank-you for this upload, LibertyPen, from an old DC born and raised white boy, now 63. KUDOS ! That lady's sick, and I am being VERY generous by using the term,"lady."
Talk about confirmation bias in her "expectations of return," WOAH ! I lived through this. There WERE but a few garbage JOBS, not CAREERS, for our fellow humans, who have a better tan than I do. More KUDOS to you LibertyPen.
Welfare looks good on paper because it proposes to help people in the name of society. However society doesn't exist, it is only an aggregate of individuals. All welfare does is minimize responsibility away from the individual and therefore is unethical in practice. In a just society people should be free to fail or succeed by their own effort.
@SamySara2 My bad, I kind of phrased my idea wrong. Society only exists as a relationship between individual people. Its just like a marriage is not a physical entity with feelings and desires, but it still exists as a bond between two people.
@SamySara2 said [[You just said society doesn't exist and then subsequently used it in the last sentence.]]
It doesn't exist as an entity with rights and needs. It's a collection of individual members, and ALL the rights and needs belong to the individuals that comprise the collective. That's why proper governments are the people's servant rather than master. They only govern by the consent of the governed. You cannot loan a group leader rights of representation that you yourself don't have.
@Vladivostok3701, welfare is also a scam. Politicians purport that we're taking from the rich and giving to the poor, "spreading the wealth around", when actually only 17 cents of each welfare dollar gets to the recipient and 83 cents is overhead. 5 out of every 6 dollars is taken from "the rich" and "redistributed" to wasteful bureaucratic overhead for programs run by rich politicians and legislators. The meager portions given to the poor is a smokescreen.
Since when is 12% a "very small number"? It's one out of 8.3. Even statisticians use a generalized 10% as a level of significance as a rule of thumb. And that's 12% of the whole population, not the percentage of those impoverished. Of those impoverished the percentage is enormously higher. This apologist for the left is intellectually dishonest.
In this country, a person can go to virtually any city or town and get 3 hot meals a day and not pay a dime. Most of them also have shelters for the poor and homeless. One exit down from me, there's a community college... they're everywhere in America... where I can get for free or next to nothing, education in hundreds of career fields, just because I'm a resident of the same county.
@NAGGERNUTZ, You're correct, and not only that, of our impoverished, what do you think would be the top five health problems facing them, exposure to the elements, exhaustion, malnutrition or starvation? No, they're ALL obesity related diseases. In fact, the impoverished in America have an obesity rate and smoking rate that far exceeds the national average. There will always be a top 5 health problems of the poor, but that ours involve indulgence rather than deprivation is a sign of prosperity.
@LucisFerre1 That's some pretty specious reasoning. Obesity is not contingent to indulgence and vice versa. Did you ever think that obesity comes from eating CHEAP food rather than too much? I live on less than $3 a day. 2 of those dollars go to McDonalds cheeseburgers or other $1 items and that's all I can eat for the day. Lower price = lower quality. Coupled with the inactivity that comes with unemployment, it has made me fat. But I have no choice as a loaf of bread is $2.19
@Derlandvermesser, you should look into the price per meal of cooking dry beans, cabbage and dry rice. 'Been there, done that. Inactivity from unemployment has made you fat? No, you made you fat. Obviously you have a computer and internet access. You can look up workout routines to do around the house without gym equipment. Sorry I'm not sympathetic, it's just that I'm a body builder and I work out at least 5 times a week, several hours a day and I watch my diet like a hawk.
@LucisFerre1 Instead of bashing the poor and saying "they're just lazy slobs stuffing their faces and smoking cigarettes" you could be a gd human and look at the reasons for people's problems. I don't smoke but I do know that addiction is a disease. It's got a LOT to do with genetics. Even if one could overcome that, this country is becoming more miserable daily. It's not a sign of prosperity when the workforce is so unhappy that they're committing very slow suicide
@Derlandvermesser, I used to smoke. I quit. I used to be fat. I lost the weight. I've worked two jobs while going to ITT Tech four hours a day and then doing homework for several hours each night. I spring-boarded off of 8 years in the military into DoD contracts as a civilian contract worker overseas in VERY remote locations for years on end, sometimes in "hot-spots". I'm not really one to try the "poor, poor pitiful poor" argument with. It's not hard to be a better candidate in a weak field.
@LucisFerre1 The deprivation comes in the form of; lack of proper education, lack of representation in the local governments, lack of social services like youth diversion programs, lack of funding for community outreach centers, just a general lack of caring for anyone that's not already at a certain standard of living. The fact that there is a McDonalds or Walmart every 2 miles doesn't necessarily = prosperity. Everyone spends all their time worrying about the middle class
@Derlandvermesser, I submit that social dependency programs subsidize poverty, failure, broken homes & unemployment. Asians & Jews were relegated to ghettos not so long ago. No one has been persecuted and enslaved as often as Jews, yet today Jews & Asians kick the asses of White Americans in both academics and the professions. They did it on their own steam. The common denominators are strong nuclear family, responsibility towards their "own" and a very strong emphasis on education. No excuses.
@LucisFerre1 But the real issue is THE POOR in this country are suffering. Obama calls middle class between $60k and $250k a year. It would take me almost 6 years to save $60k IF I were even employed. My best friend is expected to feed himself, his wife and 2 kids on $9.50 an hour. Gotta buy some cheap food huh? Some overprocessed crap that's bad for you and makes you fat. Your dismissive attitude of the U.S. poor is disgusting and hateful.
@Derlandvermesser, I don't expect your friend to support his wife and kids on $9.50 an hour. Rather I would suggest not having kids that one can't support by definition. Why is he having kids and a non-working wife if he's only CAPABLE of making $9.50? You seem to be assuming that he can't make more than that. I expect that he is capable. Why are you right and I'm wrong, and who is doing him the disservice in our respective expectations?
@LucisFerre1 Thank you for your inspiring Reader's Digest tale. First and foremost, the military IS little more than a social services program just like any other. Free every gd thing except yours comes with a lifetime "Infallible Hero" medal that elevates you socially because you had the civic pride and duty to fight distant politicians and kings wars, right? Save it. You succeeded because you milked the US government's budget too. You just got yours off the top
@Derlandvermesser said [[ You succeeded because you milked the US government's budget too. You just got yours off the top]]
No, I've succeeded because I've worked my ass off, sometimes in the states and sometimes in dangerous places around the world where others were afraid to go. Tell me more about how no one should expect anything from you. It puts me in a good mood.
@LucisFerre1 Not everyone even has the right stuff to manage themselves let alone do military service. There are naturally stupid, weak people out there that aren't fit to serve. Should we start exterminating the lame and blind Adolf? There are people that were born into desperate situations that made early criminal records thereby making one ineligible to even do something as great as attend ITT or even leave the country post 9/11. I personally cannot get a passport
@Derlandvermesser said [[Not everyone even has the right stuff to manage themselves let alone do military service. There are naturally stupid, weak people out there that aren't fit to serve. Should we start exterminating the lame and blind Adolf?]]
So, the standard we should hold you to is that of the retarded and the handicapped? You at once call the military social services and also an elite force for people with "the right stuff". Interesting. Has it occurred to you that it's a JOB?
@LucisFerre1 Actually Adolf is incorrect because you mention Jewish people and I concede their "success" was stolen from one and handed to them with no real effort on their part. Asian people I have no real comment on. And the price of these "dry goods" is still more than fast food. Get down off your high horse and realize that society does place people in situations they damn near cannot escape. I guess you should be happy you haven't needed social services obviously
@Derlandvermesser, Apparently you're telling me that you're a LOSER and I should just stop expecting you to help yourself. After all, you can't figure out that a pound of dry beans can feed you for a week cheaper than buying a weeks' worth of McDonald's dollar meals. You also seem to be under the impression that Jews become doctors and lawyers effortlessly. Calling me "Adolph" for praising the Jews just goes to show how your head is filled with corn mush.
If you make money available to people if they qualify, people will get themselves qualified. Welfare is a magnet to un-productivity and discourages initiative. Poor people aren't stupid, it's only human nature to want something for nothing. But why encourage it? We already take care of those who are mentally or physically challenged and can't work. The rest are simply lazy.
@NAGGERNUTZ said, ["If you make money available to people if they qualify, people will get themselves qualified."]
Exactly correct. And when we subsidize broken homes and single motherhood in impoverished neighborhoods, we get more of it. When we subsidize poverty, we get more poverty. Leftists like to point out that social programs are more in need today than ever before. What they're not appreciating is that this shows that such programs over the past 50 years have FAILED to solve anything.
Welfarists don't seem to care to look at the results of their policies. Far more single motherhood now exists amongst the biggest beneficiaries of their "compassion", for example. Concern about social ills really only extends as far as another government program they can support and demonise their "political" opponents (realists) with. It's as if they aren't really against single motherhood at all, but are merely in love with their claimed good intentions. Sanctimonious narcissism on parade.
This is just philosophy. What do the numbers show? Welfare programs like food stamps and unemployment benefits create jobs. Sure there are people who abuse the system. People abuse vicodin, they abuse their second amendment rights, they abuse their right to an attorney, they abuse the school system, they abuse the tax code. People abuse. That doesn't mean the program isn't working, it just means it can be better managed.
@josephrawlins Care to site actual data? All of those "programs" take capital from the private sector, where ALL JOBS are created. Government is a consumer, it creates nothing but more of itself. Rational thinking alone obliterate's the welfare state's premise. Its appeal is based solely on emotion not reality or truth. The real aim is to rule over the recipients, punish the givers until they too become recipients. Bismarck created the first welfare system, ponder that one.
@gdbalck In addition, ask yourself this question, how do people who receive welfare handouts vote?
We give you enough to barely get by, in exchange, we demand you follow our rules and regulations, and vote for us. So we may continue to hand you money and controlling your life.
All the flowery rhetoric and appeal to heart-strings are merely a means to an end. Sadly, way too many buy it.
Even in 1980 back when it all began Sowell wasn't a particularly good trickle down economist. Helen O'Banion outclassed and outsmarted in the end. Fast forward to today and we see the results of 31 years of trickle down. Its been an abject failure; If not then where are all the jobs? Where is the conservative utopian society promised to us with everyone working hard and pulling themselves up by their boot straps? It doesnt exist because even after 10 years of Bush tax cuts its an abject failure
@endofmoola Tax cuts are useless if you don't cut spending. Reagan may have cut some serious taxes, but he also increased spending the most.
Plus the number of tax loopholes have decreased rapidly for businesses. While the corporate tax rate was higher back in the 1950s, the loopholes were about ten times higher than they were now. Hardly any corporation or business paid those.
Notice that as all people who speak of poverty, she classes people into two groups. Those above the poverty line and those below. The problem with looking at it that way is that it's much easier to raise the people who are just below the line 'out of poverty' than it is the people further from it. So you end up with all the welfare money going to the wrong people. It's the bottom of society that needs help, yet welfare money goes to the 'richest poor'. That is the disgrace.
@Frances3654 Well you said Sowell got pwned, but the only one getting pwned in this video appears to be the white woman. I thought maybe you got confused...
@Frances3654 said, ["hell no, sowell did in fact get pwned. his arguments are 1st grade"]
You're ridiculous. I guess you missed where she said that 12% of an entire population is an insignificantly small number, while Sowell reminded her that the percentage of the "bottom 20%" that she kept harping on, was much higher. How, pray-tell would one out of eight of the whole and a greater percentage of the poor, the subject of conversation, be "a very small number"? Let's be realistic here.
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We've spent 16.9 trillion trying to get people out of poverty. The poverty rate is greater than it was in 1968. Look at any number of graphs and you will see that once LBJ's "great society" programs were implemented, the poverty rate began to flatten out. Let's let Sowell and Friedman have some power since the LBJ style sucks.
I'll take Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman over John Maynard Keynes and Thomas Krugman, any and every day....and the world would be a better place for implementing Sowell's and Friedman's views over Keynes and Krugman's, for sure.
Capitalism places enormous stresses on individuals and families and social programs are aimed to curb the excesses. The problem in America is that we argue about whether we need programs instead of accepting the need for them and making them work.
We abandoned our cities in the 1960's and left behind a black underclass. Without tax revenues the neighborhoods collapsed, schools failed to educate, drugs became rampant and welfare a trap. And there is a significant white underclass too.
@addio33 not enough tax revenues? abandon the cities in the 60s? you are talking about the time when welfare spending was put on steroids. are you nuts or just very young?
@addio33 Socialism = One group or individual who thinks they know what's best for everyone else. All it's ever lead to is everyone wanting to be the decision makers and no one lifting a finger to do any work them selves, so all of your workers do so at gun point. Then when your piss poor plans fail you look at the result, and blame capitalism for what you idiots were responsible for, and claim everyone wasn't socialistic enough. What a load of crap.
It is true that welfare and unemployment were not setup properly. If we want welfare and unemployment to work, we would need to continue to provide the subsidies while providing access to work and retraining. Welfare was not a program designed to actually help people get off of welfare, just like unemployment doesn't help people find a job.
The major thing Sowell doesn't speak about is that global capitalism has put a major strain on most families and has greatly harmed the poor.
@addio33 So... "capitalism" or as the rest of us like to call it "earning money" has strained people? Well duh! The earth it self strains people. You can't change the fact that people produce waste and someone has to be motivated to clean up that waste. If you had your way everyone would live in a rubber room, because how dare they have the possibility of stubbing their toe; such has always been the same kind of ideologies that breed tyrants.
@KingDingaLing090 I have the courage to debate that but since my evidence is based on Science and facts and yours is based on some hidden conspiracy, what is the point?
@DawnOfTheDead Lol you think I don't have scientific evidence? I would love to debate the science. Let's talk about CO2 and warming trends. Lets talk about melting ice caps. Let's talk about the century and a half long warming trend. Let's talk about the cooling. Or radiative forcing. Or man made greenhouse gas emissions relative to natural greenhouse gas emissions.
Are you really trying to rely on an appeal to authority are you??? Lol That's the oldest trick in the book.
@KingDingaLing090 B4 we get too far, do you believe in global warming or not? But since you seem to be a Savage Nation goon, you prolly believe there is some great conspiracy of Scientists to create a hoax.
@DawnOfTheDead991 I think there is one kernal of truth in a mountain of lies, Debate me now. I have been waiting for you. Every time you procrastinate with me you look worse.
the only black leaders they wont kill are al sharpton and jesse jackson and most blacks believe that jesse jackson is an accomplice to MLK's MURDER!!!!! search youtube there are prob millions of blacks that dnt trust those 2 leaders thomas gets paid to steer the market gap there is for people who dnt wnt affirmative action welfare and like to use the eve so handy race card to debunk any and every claim of discrimination.
thomas needs to stop funding for programs like black desk and cointelpro 1st.. 1st they pay to have them kill black leaders and make them fight against each other even pay blacks to infiltrate n shut down blck mvmnts then support thomas to make blks look like they are their biggest enemy. psycho warfare hidden oppressions are the biggest enemy they should have never been able to sell the idea of welfare in the 1st place but it was sold for a reason. because it was shit going down
@RONPAULFREEDUMB <------ LOL This pussy blocked me because he is afraid to debate me on global warming. LOL!!
Why are you so afraid of debating me? Why do we need to talk about me before we talk about global warming? Global warming is a subdivision of climate change. If one of going to talk about climate change one needs to focus of the central theory of climate change and that is global warming.
But if you are too big of a bitch to do that just say so. I will laugh at you either way.
@ShadowSandy I have to get someone to debate me before I can 'continue debating people with old science' Whatever the hell that means. Come on over to my page so I can debate you. I will have a good time.
@KingDingaLing090 Because you continue, I know you are unaware of those developments. Why would I argue with someone who doesnt even stay up on the science? =P
@KingDingaLing090 Its not a secret. That is why. Its been in the news for weeks. Google CERN and I am sure you will find it.
I get tired of people treating this topic like its black and white. Science doesnt work that way. Its almost as if people have a creationist mindset towards the topic. Its a religion to "believe" in it and heretics must BURN!
@ShadowSandy P.S. On review, perhaps I made some assumptions. It was late when I first replied. I dont think you made clear your own position. I apologize for any undeserved offense.
Sowell and Friedman are theorists whose ideas live in a utopian vacuum that doesn't account for the various "isms" that exist in this world, like nationalism, racism, sexism, and cronyism. Take away welfare and implement what in its place? Charity? From who? Haliburton? IBM? The Church? The reason that the US has the kind of standard of living we do is because we have programs to transition people out of poverty. End the programs and you will see an increase social unrest and crime.
@ecalebw The government seeks to dismantle private charity. I should know, I've worked with charities that were over 50 times more efficient than their government run counterparts. The government IS NOT NEEDED when free people are allowed to help out however they see fit. Only when you dismantle private efforts of charity do you need the government, which I figure has been the goal all along.
@ecalebw typical leftist mindset. your answer to poverty is to sanctify the poor, that is, the unproductive and unskilled elements of society, instead of demanding they take responsibility for themselves and their choices.
@ecalebw You live in a fictional world of self incapability whose ideas rest on the idea that there is a certain amount of people in a population that need to be taken care of. What do you think people did since the begining of time? Did they have an entitlement bureaucracy taking care of them? And charity from the church? Absolutely, Christians are widely known to be the most generous people on earth far FAR outweighing the "compassionate liberal." And Haliburton, IBM? They raise generations!
@KingDingaLing090 Christians are not widely known to be the most generous people on earth. You are however widely known to be one of the dumbest on earth.
@ecalebw no offense. but everything you just said is cmopletely based in mythology and fantasy. Please actually study the history of welafre, and charity, study economics and see for yourself. I used to think the same thing until i started to do the research. Poverty programs KEEP people in poverty. Capital investment and production help to raise the standards of living to bring people out. Government only hinders that process.
When the democrats came into power again in the 1990′s they embarrassed the nation before the world and allowed terrorist to form cells on U.S. soil which in turn led to the attacks of Sept. 11 2001, republicans had to clean up this mess as well. Once again we see America has lost her way and voted for the most leftist democrat controlled government (2008-2010) of my lifetime with a Marxist extremist in the White House! Only time will tell how big of a mess these democrats are going to leave.
-A person who is disabled and unable to get work would get a 'Disability Grant' which includes a 'Level 1 Housing Subsidy' and Food Credits (food stamps).
Level 1 Housing Facilities are handicap friendly and grant residents access to nearby health services (Hospitals, Clinics, etc).
-Unemployed people Get a 'Hardship Grant' and are eligible for 'Level 2 Housing Subsidy' in addition to Food Credits. Hardship Grant benefits expire after 6 months.
Level 2 Housing Facilities would be built near Schools and Career Training Centers.
This man was well ahead of his time. A lot the liberal establishment in England
an people such a former mp Blair make excuses for the rioters and the underclass as to not punishing them for the actions. they are alot like this woman
@mba2ceo Justice? Really? How many people are going to work and be productive if they are given enough handouts to be comfortable? How will that work out for society in the long run?
@mba2ceo You really believe nobody will take any job they can get to eat? People will take the best option they have on any given day. If they are poor & unskilled that option will be welfare. The next day its welfare and the next and the next. They will live like that for generations. That is a cruel thing to do to people. Make them work for a few yrs for the same $ they get on welfare then they get some skills/experience and make more than welfare. It is temporary poverty vs permanent poverty.
@mba2ceo Oh I totally agree it is slavery. Taking money from hard working people is theft and slavery. If the gov is going to take $ from me to support someone doing nothing, I would rather pay to keep them in jail than let them sit at home. You assume lots of these people will turn to crime. Sure some will but many will get off their but, work and eventually break the poverty cycle. You figure society owes some people a free ride but that free ride comes at a cost to those getting that ride
common sense goes a long way.......liberals should be renamed to destroyers...they are the slave masters...they do the opposite to what they claim to be. in my book that's called a liar.
Damn this guy is intelligent. It is just natural to him and there seems to be a wealth of it in reserve that he will never have to tap because No one could hang with him that long. Why isn't this guy on a ticket so I could vote for him.
@ShadowSandy That's all liberals do - tell women, blacks, and other minorities what's best for them. They tell them they cannot handle freedom and therefore have made them into children. Then we wonder why there are no many problems in some minority communities???? Only Nazis could be more racist and sexist!
@Hereticalable No right wingers are way racist and sexist than the liberals. Since many of those liberals you slime are themselves blacks and women, your point is mindless Godwin's Law breaking drivel.
I agree she lost but what are u talkin about "white liberal telling black people what is best? She didn't say anything about black people. Sowell brought up blacks to prove his point. She and the panel were just talking about people on welfare in general. Make sure you're watching the tape correctly
Thomas Sowell, Genius!
arivas713 6 days ago
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Sowell uses actual figures and rationale and will still be accused as an Uncle Tom
jackraaabitslim 1 week ago
Sowell uses actual figures and rationale and will still be accused as an Uncle Tom
jackraaabitslim 1 week ago
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@jackraaabitslim said [[Sowell uses actual figures and rationale and will still be accused as an Uncle Tom]]
Yes, and I consider that borderline criminal.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
I think there should be a program by which people who need financial assistance due to a lack of employment receive it if they take part in a job training program. I think community colleges could play a large role in this. They are cheaper so it would cost the government less. 99 weeks of unemployment is the time it takes to get an associate degree. That kind of degree in a field that needs skilled workers would greatly help those people find employment and be able to support themselves again.
JImmy4336 1 week ago
@JImmy4336 Friedman recommended a graduated minimum income to replace ALL the welfare and subsidies, and, for example, Social Security is a subsidy. Just as "empires" form around farm subsidies, there is an "empire" around the entire welfare establishment, which is why he wanted to cut out as many admins/paper pushers as possible.
NoProbaloAmigo 1 week ago
@NoProbaloAmigo, Social Security is not a subsidy, it's a taxation of your own money that, odds are, you'll never receive back in total. If you took your "contribution" & the mandatory matching "contributions" of your employer & put that money in a stainless steel bucket and buried it in your back yard, you would have a much finer retirement than you ever will with SS. SS is a fraud, straight-up. It was sold to the American people as insurance and sold to the Supreme Court as a welfare program.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 It's a subsidy as far as there is a transfer of cash from the working to the retired. It would be interesting to make that calculation, because frankly, I don't know, and it will vary on the person.
NoProbaloAmigo 6 days ago
@JImmy4336, that's a newt gingrich plan. (All economics aside, he's a revolting character, lol). I contend that poverty is not merely lack of money, (and certainly not lack of other people's money), it's lack of knowing how to create and keep ones own wealth and the willingness to do so. Those who are unwilling to manage their money will always be poor. One of my sisters, for example, is a ne're-do-well who has repeatedly refused to budget or plan and gone bankrupt twice. It takes all kinds...
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
i will bet anything that is lady if she is alive she is working in the Obama admin -
nutbagbrew102 1 week ago
@nutbagbrew102 Died in 1988
acolussi88 1 week ago
@acolussi88 oh wow , so shes helping Satan get the unions organized down there lol
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@nutbagbrew102 said [[oh wow , so shes helping Satan get the unions organized down there lol]]
Nutbagbrew, Adam was put into someone else's garden to work it (Gen 2:15)under threat of punishment should he rebel. Satan was the first union organizer, lol! (Joke)
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
Sowell is great!
tomperanteau 1 week ago
I know!!! Just look at socialist Sweden and their welfare state and the poverty they've trapped themselves too!! Good lord welfare is what's keeping starving kids from becoming millionaires.
wangsta25 1 week ago
@wangsta25 In fact, Sweden has a terrible immigration problem and immigrant unemployment due to what you call "socialist Sweden," which is only about half true.
NoProbaloAmigo 1 week ago
@NoProbaloAmigo Hmm the U.S. is a hell of a lot more capitalistic and how's our immigration employment doing?
wangsta25 1 week ago
@wangsta25 Compared to western europe, and most of europe for that matter, it is magnitudes better....especially youth unemployment.
NoProbaloAmigo 1 week ago
And THAT is how you do it. Thomas Sowell is pretty cool. I love his work on affirmative action.
MeanEyedCats 2 weeks ago
WOW ! Thank-you for this upload, LibertyPen, from an old DC born and raised white boy, now 63. KUDOS ! That lady's sick, and I am being VERY generous by using the term,"lady."
Talk about confirmation bias in her "expectations of return," WOAH ! I lived through this. There WERE but a few garbage JOBS, not CAREERS, for our fellow humans, who have a better tan than I do. More KUDOS to you LibertyPen.
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Welfare looks good on paper because it proposes to help people in the name of society. However society doesn't exist, it is only an aggregate of individuals. All welfare does is minimize responsibility away from the individual and therefore is unethical in practice. In a just society people should be free to fail or succeed by their own effort.
Vladivostok3701 3 weeks ago
@Vladivostok3701 You just said society doesn't exist and then subsequently used it in the last sentence.
SamySara2 3 weeks ago
@SamySara2 My bad, I kind of phrased my idea wrong. Society only exists as a relationship between individual people. Its just like a marriage is not a physical entity with feelings and desires, but it still exists as a bond between two people.
Vladivostok3701 3 weeks ago
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@SamySara2 said [[You just said society doesn't exist and then subsequently used it in the last sentence.]]
It doesn't exist as an entity with rights and needs. It's a collection of individual members, and ALL the rights and needs belong to the individuals that comprise the collective. That's why proper governments are the people's servant rather than master. They only govern by the consent of the governed. You cannot loan a group leader rights of representation that you yourself don't have.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@Vladivostok3701, welfare is also a scam. Politicians purport that we're taking from the rich and giving to the poor, "spreading the wealth around", when actually only 17 cents of each welfare dollar gets to the recipient and 83 cents is overhead. 5 out of every 6 dollars is taken from "the rich" and "redistributed" to wasteful bureaucratic overhead for programs run by rich politicians and legislators. The meager portions given to the poor is a smokescreen.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
Champ
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This cat is a fricking rock star!
grecorivera941 1 month ago 7
Since when is 12% a "very small number"? It's one out of 8.3. Even statisticians use a generalized 10% as a level of significance as a rule of thumb. And that's 12% of the whole population, not the percentage of those impoverished. Of those impoverished the percentage is enormously higher. This apologist for the left is intellectually dishonest.
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Why does her eyes show that her soul is dead?
;-)
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In this country, a person can go to virtually any city or town and get 3 hot meals a day and not pay a dime. Most of them also have shelters for the poor and homeless. One exit down from me, there's a community college... they're everywhere in America... where I can get for free or next to nothing, education in hundreds of career fields, just because I'm a resident of the same county.
NAGGERNUTZ 1 month ago 3
@NAGGERNUTZ, You're correct, and not only that, of our impoverished, what do you think would be the top five health problems facing them, exposure to the elements, exhaustion, malnutrition or starvation? No, they're ALL obesity related diseases. In fact, the impoverished in America have an obesity rate and smoking rate that far exceeds the national average. There will always be a top 5 health problems of the poor, but that ours involve indulgence rather than deprivation is a sign of prosperity.
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@LucisFerre1 - Thanks. You hit the nail on the head!
NAGGERNUTZ 1 month ago
@LucisFerre1 That's some pretty specious reasoning. Obesity is not contingent to indulgence and vice versa. Did you ever think that obesity comes from eating CHEAP food rather than too much? I live on less than $3 a day. 2 of those dollars go to McDonalds cheeseburgers or other $1 items and that's all I can eat for the day. Lower price = lower quality. Coupled with the inactivity that comes with unemployment, it has made me fat. But I have no choice as a loaf of bread is $2.19
Derlandvermesser 1 week ago
@Derlandvermesser, you should look into the price per meal of cooking dry beans, cabbage and dry rice. 'Been there, done that. Inactivity from unemployment has made you fat? No, you made you fat. Obviously you have a computer and internet access. You can look up workout routines to do around the house without gym equipment. Sorry I'm not sympathetic, it's just that I'm a body builder and I work out at least 5 times a week, several hours a day and I watch my diet like a hawk.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 Instead of bashing the poor and saying "they're just lazy slobs stuffing their faces and smoking cigarettes" you could be a gd human and look at the reasons for people's problems. I don't smoke but I do know that addiction is a disease. It's got a LOT to do with genetics. Even if one could overcome that, this country is becoming more miserable daily. It's not a sign of prosperity when the workforce is so unhappy that they're committing very slow suicide
Derlandvermesser 1 week ago
@Derlandvermesser, I used to smoke. I quit. I used to be fat. I lost the weight. I've worked two jobs while going to ITT Tech four hours a day and then doing homework for several hours each night. I spring-boarded off of 8 years in the military into DoD contracts as a civilian contract worker overseas in VERY remote locations for years on end, sometimes in "hot-spots". I'm not really one to try the "poor, poor pitiful poor" argument with. It's not hard to be a better candidate in a weak field.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 The deprivation comes in the form of; lack of proper education, lack of representation in the local governments, lack of social services like youth diversion programs, lack of funding for community outreach centers, just a general lack of caring for anyone that's not already at a certain standard of living. The fact that there is a McDonalds or Walmart every 2 miles doesn't necessarily = prosperity. Everyone spends all their time worrying about the middle class
Derlandvermesser 1 week ago
@Derlandvermesser, I submit that social dependency programs subsidize poverty, failure, broken homes & unemployment. Asians & Jews were relegated to ghettos not so long ago. No one has been persecuted and enslaved as often as Jews, yet today Jews & Asians kick the asses of White Americans in both academics and the professions. They did it on their own steam. The common denominators are strong nuclear family, responsibility towards their "own" and a very strong emphasis on education. No excuses.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 But the real issue is THE POOR in this country are suffering. Obama calls middle class between $60k and $250k a year. It would take me almost 6 years to save $60k IF I were even employed. My best friend is expected to feed himself, his wife and 2 kids on $9.50 an hour. Gotta buy some cheap food huh? Some overprocessed crap that's bad for you and makes you fat. Your dismissive attitude of the U.S. poor is disgusting and hateful.
Derlandvermesser 1 week ago
@Derlandvermesser, I don't expect your friend to support his wife and kids on $9.50 an hour. Rather I would suggest not having kids that one can't support by definition. Why is he having kids and a non-working wife if he's only CAPABLE of making $9.50? You seem to be assuming that he can't make more than that. I expect that he is capable. Why are you right and I'm wrong, and who is doing him the disservice in our respective expectations?
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 Thank you for your inspiring Reader's Digest tale. First and foremost, the military IS little more than a social services program just like any other. Free every gd thing except yours comes with a lifetime "Infallible Hero" medal that elevates you socially because you had the civic pride and duty to fight distant politicians and kings wars, right? Save it. You succeeded because you milked the US government's budget too. You just got yours off the top
Derlandvermesser 6 days ago
@Derlandvermesser said [[ You succeeded because you milked the US government's budget too. You just got yours off the top]]
No, I've succeeded because I've worked my ass off, sometimes in the states and sometimes in dangerous places around the world where others were afraid to go. Tell me more about how no one should expect anything from you. It puts me in a good mood.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 Not everyone even has the right stuff to manage themselves let alone do military service. There are naturally stupid, weak people out there that aren't fit to serve. Should we start exterminating the lame and blind Adolf? There are people that were born into desperate situations that made early criminal records thereby making one ineligible to even do something as great as attend ITT or even leave the country post 9/11. I personally cannot get a passport
Derlandvermesser 6 days ago
@Derlandvermesser said [[Not everyone even has the right stuff to manage themselves let alone do military service. There are naturally stupid, weak people out there that aren't fit to serve. Should we start exterminating the lame and blind Adolf?]]
So, the standard we should hold you to is that of the retarded and the handicapped? You at once call the military social services and also an elite force for people with "the right stuff". Interesting. Has it occurred to you that it's a JOB?
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
@LucisFerre1 Actually Adolf is incorrect because you mention Jewish people and I concede their "success" was stolen from one and handed to them with no real effort on their part. Asian people I have no real comment on. And the price of these "dry goods" is still more than fast food. Get down off your high horse and realize that society does place people in situations they damn near cannot escape. I guess you should be happy you haven't needed social services obviously
Derlandvermesser 6 days ago
@Derlandvermesser, Apparently you're telling me that you're a LOSER and I should just stop expecting you to help yourself. After all, you can't figure out that a pound of dry beans can feed you for a week cheaper than buying a weeks' worth of McDonald's dollar meals. You also seem to be under the impression that Jews become doctors and lawyers effortlessly. Calling me "Adolph" for praising the Jews just goes to show how your head is filled with corn mush.
LucisFerre1 6 days ago
If you make money available to people if they qualify, people will get themselves qualified. Welfare is a magnet to un-productivity and discourages initiative. Poor people aren't stupid, it's only human nature to want something for nothing. But why encourage it? We already take care of those who are mentally or physically challenged and can't work. The rest are simply lazy.
NAGGERNUTZ 1 month ago 4
@NAGGERNUTZ said, ["If you make money available to people if they qualify, people will get themselves qualified."]
Exactly correct. And when we subsidize broken homes and single motherhood in impoverished neighborhoods, we get more of it. When we subsidize poverty, we get more poverty. Leftists like to point out that social programs are more in need today than ever before. What they're not appreciating is that this shows that such programs over the past 50 years have FAILED to solve anything.
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Middle-aged children? :D
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Welfarists don't seem to care to look at the results of their policies. Far more single motherhood now exists amongst the biggest beneficiaries of their "compassion", for example. Concern about social ills really only extends as far as another government program they can support and demonise their "political" opponents (realists) with. It's as if they aren't really against single motherhood at all, but are merely in love with their claimed good intentions. Sanctimonious narcissism on parade.
horsie111 1 month ago
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horsie111 1 month ago
I like your thinking Mr. Sowell. God Bless, Walk in the light!
tkd4zgqg 1 month ago
This is just philosophy. What do the numbers show? Welfare programs like food stamps and unemployment benefits create jobs. Sure there are people who abuse the system. People abuse vicodin, they abuse their second amendment rights, they abuse their right to an attorney, they abuse the school system, they abuse the tax code. People abuse. That doesn't mean the program isn't working, it just means it can be better managed.
josephrawlins 2 months ago
@josephrawlins Care to site actual data? All of those "programs" take capital from the private sector, where ALL JOBS are created. Government is a consumer, it creates nothing but more of itself. Rational thinking alone obliterate's the welfare state's premise. Its appeal is based solely on emotion not reality or truth. The real aim is to rule over the recipients, punish the givers until they too become recipients. Bismarck created the first welfare system, ponder that one.
gdbalck 1 month ago
@gdbalck In addition, ask yourself this question, how do people who receive welfare handouts vote?
We give you enough to barely get by, in exchange, we demand you follow our rules and regulations, and vote for us. So we may continue to hand you money and controlling your life.
All the flowery rhetoric and appeal to heart-strings are merely a means to an end. Sadly, way too many buy it.
gdbalck 1 month ago
@josephrawlins This is the internet. Source or GTFO!
i2aymond 1 month ago
Even in 1980 back when it all began Sowell wasn't a particularly good trickle down economist. Helen O'Banion outclassed and outsmarted in the end. Fast forward to today and we see the results of 31 years of trickle down. Its been an abject failure; If not then where are all the jobs? Where is the conservative utopian society promised to us with everyone working hard and pulling themselves up by their boot straps? It doesnt exist because even after 10 years of Bush tax cuts its an abject failure
endofmoola 2 months ago
@endofmoola Tax cuts are useless if you don't cut spending. Reagan may have cut some serious taxes, but he also increased spending the most.
Plus the number of tax loopholes have decreased rapidly for businesses. While the corporate tax rate was higher back in the 1950s, the loopholes were about ten times higher than they were now. Hardly any corporation or business paid those.
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago
Notice that as all people who speak of poverty, she classes people into two groups. Those above the poverty line and those below. The problem with looking at it that way is that it's much easier to raise the people who are just below the line 'out of poverty' than it is the people further from it. So you end up with all the welfare money going to the wrong people. It's the bottom of society that needs help, yet welfare money goes to the 'richest poor'. That is the disgrace.
markm8080 2 months ago
1:16 Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!
studio7manga 2 months ago
"Cut off welfare tomorrow and what would happen?"
That's the result of creating a dependant class. The solution to this would be to wean people off these programs.
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago
Sowell got pwned
Frances3654 2 months ago
@Frances3654 Sowell is the black dude
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
and??
Frances3654 2 months ago
@Frances3654 Well you said Sowell got pwned, but the only one getting pwned in this video appears to be the white woman. I thought maybe you got confused...
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
hell no, sowell did in fact get pwned. his arguments are 1st grade
Frances3654 2 months ago
@Frances3654 Tell me why he's wrong.
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
nobody is "subsidizing" people to fail so they can become dependent on "handouts."
Frances3654 2 months ago
@Frances3654 The incentives may be good, but those are the unintended consequences.
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago
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@Frances3654 Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you'll believe it.
RJordan0220 2 months ago
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@Frances3654 said, ["hell no, sowell did in fact get pwned. his arguments are 1st grade"]
You're ridiculous. I guess you missed where she said that 12% of an entire population is an insignificantly small number, while Sowell reminded her that the percentage of the "bottom 20%" that she kept harping on, was much higher. How, pray-tell would one out of eight of the whole and a greater percentage of the poor, the subject of conversation, be "a very small number"? Let's be realistic here.
LucisFerre1 1 month ago
but these changing winds can blow cold and hostile....
Shukria123 2 months ago
No mr. Sowell How we gonna be strong independant women without the gub-ment and ray ray supportin our illegitamate kids. You must hate black people.
gmann1695 2 months ago 2
Doesn't this women look like one of the Whitest kids U know in drag?
RJordan0220 2 months ago
@RJordan0220 lol, yeah, she looks like Zach Cregger.
DarthKrattus 2 months ago
Sowell strangely sounds like Hermann Cain. Scary.
PoincianaHome 2 months ago
@PoincianaHome Yeah but definitely not in content.
skydome29 2 months ago
Unfortunately very few blacks even know who Thomas Sowell is.
flizzleFlopper 2 months ago 2
@flizzleFlopper don't you mean Uncle Tom Sowell? lol jk
he'll never get attention because he doesn't support playing the victim card.
UltraProle21 2 months ago
@flizzleFlopper Yes but they know who race baiter Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are, who have produced nothing but racism all their lives
TheRightThinker 2 months ago
Nothing better than a white liberal telling a black person how it needs to be.
rahda4444 2 months ago
Thomas Sowell proves the supposition that Negroes needn't be the better people.
Atheist2006 3 months ago
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Atheist2006 3 months ago
This is amazing!
jesserobertray 3 months ago
I love Prof. Sowell
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chazrockwell84 3 months ago
I wonder how much damage she did in her "career".
peitsch517 3 months ago
@peitsch517
None.
Atheist2006 3 months ago
@Atheist2006
Poor Atheist ... missing it in so many areas. "You can lead an Atheist to truth ... but you can"t make them think".
peitsch517 3 months ago
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Oh, an Atheist bashing Libertarian. You're all so cute. :)
Atheist2006 3 months ago
Sowell for president
USPSAman 3 months ago
Long live Thomas Sowell.
CartersvilleFan 3 months ago
Herman Cain should have Sowell write him a revised tax plan.
Then things really will really get interested.
tubub 3 months ago
epic win
Dadutta 3 months ago
Friedman's just sitting there laughing.
scottysmo88 3 months ago 46
This Broad is Way out of her League
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qwerty94376 4 months ago
Liberals never think out the consequences of their dumb philosophies.
USfutbol 4 months ago
O'Bannion : "There is a pre-destined bottom 20 % ! "
Everybody else : "Ohh ,Ah , Non-sense !"
madcowdeseasman 4 months ago
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madcowdeseasman 4 months ago
"Does your program plan to eliminate there being a bottom twenty percent?" Owned
pipkguitar 4 months ago 43
@pipkguitar No, but they can raise the bottom twenty percent's standard of living.
EllyMcCormack 2 months ago
We've spent 16.9 trillion trying to get people out of poverty. The poverty rate is greater than it was in 1968. Look at any number of graphs and you will see that once LBJ's "great society" programs were implemented, the poverty rate began to flatten out. Let's let Sowell and Friedman have some power since the LBJ style sucks.
Thatmakessense356 4 months ago
Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman are very smart men with very dumb, destructive ideas.
FungusMossGnosis 4 months ago
@FungusMossGnosis And you're just plain dumb.
MRKetter81 4 months ago
I'll take Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman over John Maynard Keynes and Thomas Krugman, any and every day....and the world would be a better place for implementing Sowell's and Friedman's views over Keynes and Krugman's, for sure.
ITILII 4 months ago
Sowell will always be the smartest guy in the room...this white woman was just trying to justify HER job,,,,
rustysteam 4 months ago
If only we can change math so that the bottom 20% could be in the top 80%....
worldofdraculas 4 months ago
Capitalism places enormous stresses on individuals and families and social programs are aimed to curb the excesses. The problem in America is that we argue about whether we need programs instead of accepting the need for them and making them work.
We abandoned our cities in the 1960's and left behind a black underclass. Without tax revenues the neighborhoods collapsed, schools failed to educate, drugs became rampant and welfare a trap. And there is a significant white underclass too.
addio33 4 months ago
@addio33 not enough tax revenues? abandon the cities in the 60s? you are talking about the time when welfare spending was put on steroids. are you nuts or just very young?
fzqlcs 4 months ago
@addio33 Socialism = One group or individual who thinks they know what's best for everyone else. All it's ever lead to is everyone wanting to be the decision makers and no one lifting a finger to do any work them selves, so all of your workers do so at gun point. Then when your piss poor plans fail you look at the result, and blame capitalism for what you idiots were responsible for, and claim everyone wasn't socialistic enough. What a load of crap.
MRKetter81 4 months ago
@MRKetter81 Dead-On balls accurate. Just armchair academics who think they know best.
fargonbastedge 4 months ago
It is true that welfare and unemployment were not setup properly. If we want welfare and unemployment to work, we would need to continue to provide the subsidies while providing access to work and retraining. Welfare was not a program designed to actually help people get off of welfare, just like unemployment doesn't help people find a job.
The major thing Sowell doesn't speak about is that global capitalism has put a major strain on most families and has greatly harmed the poor.
addio33 4 months ago
@addio33 in what way has capitalism put a major strain on most families and harmed the poor?
Cornampoo 4 months ago
@addio33 So... "capitalism" or as the rest of us like to call it "earning money" has strained people? Well duh! The earth it self strains people. You can't change the fact that people produce waste and someone has to be motivated to clean up that waste. If you had your way everyone would live in a rubber room, because how dare they have the possibility of stubbing their toe; such has always been the same kind of ideologies that breed tyrants.
MRKetter81 4 months ago
Lol ------> ShadowSandy<------- Another coward that is afraid to debate me on global warming.
Anyone that has any courage should come on my channel and debate me on global warming (the greatest scientific scam in history).
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
@KingDingaLing090 I have the courage to debate that but since my evidence is based on Science and facts and yours is based on some hidden conspiracy, what is the point?
DawnOfTheDead991 3 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead Lol you think I don't have scientific evidence? I would love to debate the science. Let's talk about CO2 and warming trends. Lets talk about melting ice caps. Let's talk about the century and a half long warming trend. Let's talk about the cooling. Or radiative forcing. Or man made greenhouse gas emissions relative to natural greenhouse gas emissions.
Are you really trying to rely on an appeal to authority are you??? Lol That's the oldest trick in the book.
Bring it on Dawn.
KingDingaLing090 3 months ago
@KingDingaLing090 B4 we get too far, do you believe in global warming or not? But since you seem to be a Savage Nation goon, you prolly believe there is some great conspiracy of Scientists to create a hoax.
DawnOfTheDead991 3 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 I think there is one kernal of truth in a mountain of lies, Debate me now. I have been waiting for you. Every time you procrastinate with me you look worse.
KingDingaLing090 3 months ago
@DawnOfTheDead991 manmade global warming is the biggest hoax ever on the American taxpayer. Dont buy the bullshit, its just the weather.
Trashfished 3 months ago
He is still a Uncle Tom!!!
BigDaddydigsdp 4 months ago
(continued) I guess by blocking me you already admitted you are too big of a bitch to debate me. What LOSER you are!!! AAHAHA!!!
A coward -------> RONPAULFREEDUMB<-------- Pussy!!! LOL
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
@KingDingaLing090
nigger nigger niggger
omegapoint777 4 months ago
@omegapoint777 Wow, do you feel good about your pathetic life now? Feel free to debate me now you coward. I like the other channel. Loser. lol
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
Thomas Sowell: badass economist with a 'fro!
Myndir 5 months ago
the only black leaders they wont kill are al sharpton and jesse jackson and most blacks believe that jesse jackson is an accomplice to MLK's MURDER!!!!! search youtube there are prob millions of blacks that dnt trust those 2 leaders thomas gets paid to steer the market gap there is for people who dnt wnt affirmative action welfare and like to use the eve so handy race card to debunk any and every claim of discrimination.
hapz3000 5 months ago
thomas needs to stop funding for programs like black desk and cointelpro 1st.. 1st they pay to have them kill black leaders and make them fight against each other even pay blacks to infiltrate n shut down blck mvmnts then support thomas to make blks look like they are their biggest enemy. psycho warfare hidden oppressions are the biggest enemy they should have never been able to sell the idea of welfare in the 1st place but it was sold for a reason. because it was shit going down
hapz3000 5 months ago
I hate how racist ass liberals like to label ALL conservative or libertarian non-whites as "uncle toms"
Shonenut213 5 months ago
Sowell is a stupid nigger. He's a uncle tom.
RONPAULFREEDUMB 5 months ago
@RONPAULFREEDUMB <------ LOL This pussy blocked me because he is afraid to debate me on global warming. LOL!!
Why are you so afraid of debating me? Why do we need to talk about me before we talk about global warming? Global warming is a subdivision of climate change. If one of going to talk about climate change one needs to focus of the central theory of climate change and that is global warming.
But if you are too big of a bitch to do that just say so. I will laugh at you either way.
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
@KingDingaLing090 You might want to look into the latest developments out of CERN before you continue debating people with old science.
ShadowSandy 4 months ago
@ShadowSandy I have to get someone to debate me before I can 'continue debating people with old science' Whatever the hell that means. Come on over to my page so I can debate you. I will have a good time.
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
@KingDingaLing090 Because you continue, I know you are unaware of those developments. Why would I argue with someone who doesnt even stay up on the science? =P
ShadowSandy 4 months ago
@ShadowSandy What devolopements? Why do you whisper about it like it is a big secret?
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
@KingDingaLing090 Its not a secret. That is why. Its been in the news for weeks. Google CERN and I am sure you will find it.
I get tired of people treating this topic like its black and white. Science doesnt work that way. Its almost as if people have a creationist mindset towards the topic. Its a religion to "believe" in it and heretics must BURN!
ShadowSandy 4 months ago
@ShadowSandy P.S. On review, perhaps I made some assumptions. It was late when I first replied. I dont think you made clear your own position. I apologize for any undeserved offense.
ShadowSandy 4 months ago
@ShadowSandy I am not treating that way. The IPCC and Al Gore and mainstream media is treating that way.
Why can't you tell me what the CERN developed in the last weeks? WHY CANT YOU DO THAT?????????????????????????????????????????/
KingDingaLing090 4 months ago
Sowell and Friedman are theorists whose ideas live in a utopian vacuum that doesn't account for the various "isms" that exist in this world, like nationalism, racism, sexism, and cronyism. Take away welfare and implement what in its place? Charity? From who? Haliburton? IBM? The Church? The reason that the US has the kind of standard of living we do is because we have programs to transition people out of poverty. End the programs and you will see an increase social unrest and crime.
ecalebw 5 months ago
@ecalebw The government seeks to dismantle private charity. I should know, I've worked with charities that were over 50 times more efficient than their government run counterparts. The government IS NOT NEEDED when free people are allowed to help out however they see fit. Only when you dismantle private efforts of charity do you need the government, which I figure has been the goal all along.
20YrBillionaire 5 months ago
@ecalebw typical leftist mindset. your answer to poverty is to sanctify the poor, that is, the unproductive and unskilled elements of society, instead of demanding they take responsibility for themselves and their choices.
chrispollock 5 months ago
@ecalebw You live in a fictional world of self incapability whose ideas rest on the idea that there is a certain amount of people in a population that need to be taken care of. What do you think people did since the begining of time? Did they have an entitlement bureaucracy taking care of them? And charity from the church? Absolutely, Christians are widely known to be the most generous people on earth far FAR outweighing the "compassionate liberal." And Haliburton, IBM? They raise generations!
KingDingaLing090 5 months ago
@KingDingaLing090 Christians are not widely known to be the most generous people on earth. You are however widely known to be one of the dumbest on earth.
RONPAULFREEDUMB 5 months ago
@RONPAULFREEDUMB Um no actually they are. Are you a Paultard?
KingDingaLing090 5 months ago
@ecalebw no offense. but everything you just said is cmopletely based in mythology and fantasy. Please actually study the history of welafre, and charity, study economics and see for yourself. I used to think the same thing until i started to do the research. Poverty programs KEEP people in poverty. Capital investment and production help to raise the standards of living to bring people out. Government only hinders that process.
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The solution is to separate the welfare system into sections. 1. Disabled; 2. Unemployed; 3. Underemployed; 4. Civil Volunteers.
This would allow for a more efficient regulation of funds and provide relevant resources to the needy applicants if certain criteria being met.
cyphi1 5 months ago
-A person who is disabled and unable to get work would get a 'Disability Grant' which includes a 'Level 1 Housing Subsidy' and Food Credits (food stamps).
Level 1 Housing Facilities are handicap friendly and grant residents access to nearby health services (Hospitals, Clinics, etc).
cyphi1 5 months ago
-Underemployed people (employeed but making less than standard cost of living) would be eligible for a 'Level 3 Housing Subsidy' and 'Food Credits'.
Level 3 Housing Facilities would be near the Commercial and Commercial Business Districts. There is no expiration for underemployment benefits.
cyphi1 5 months ago
The solution is to separate the welfare system into sections. 1. Disabled; 2. Unemployed; 3. Underemployed; 4. Civil Volunteers.
This would allow for a more efficient regulation of funds and provide relevant resources to the needy applicants if certain criteria being met.
cyphi1 5 months ago
@cyphi1
*Benefits are available for those who can't find work and are willing to volunteer with a legitimate civl volunteer agency.
Civil Volunteers would be stationed near Level 1 Housing Facilities.
cyphi1 5 months ago
-Unemployed people Get a 'Hardship Grant' and are eligible for 'Level 2 Housing Subsidy' in addition to Food Credits. Hardship Grant benefits expire after 6 months.
Level 2 Housing Facilities would be built near Schools and Career Training Centers.
cyphi1 5 months ago
This man was well ahead of his time. A lot the liberal establishment in England
an people such a former mp Blair make excuses for the rioters and the underclass as to not punishing them for the actions. they are alot like this woman
speaking 30yrs ago.
ThePhildavi 5 months ago
I love the argument: the bottom 20% are destined to be poor, in that they will be the bottom 20%.
Keeban3 5 months ago
Yes ...idiot ... the fact remains that there are NOT enough job. Nice job UNCLE TOM.
mba2ceo 5 months ago
@mba2ceo Even if there were jobs Why go to work if you can get money for free?
pande4509 5 months ago
@pande4509 because work gives a person satisfaction & increase life style. This is why billionaires work.
mba2ceo 5 months ago
@mba2ceo Exactly, but don't complain about that because it means you're looking for a handout
CyberCelebrity 5 months ago
@CyberCelebrity ... its called justice ... not handout.
mba2ceo 5 months ago
@mba2ceo Justice? Really? How many people are going to work and be productive if they are given enough handouts to be comfortable? How will that work out for society in the long run?
shananagans5 5 months ago
@shananagans5 ... as many as they work today ... wrong again.
mba2ceo 5 months ago
@mba2ceo You really believe nobody will take any job they can get to eat? People will take the best option they have on any given day. If they are poor & unskilled that option will be welfare. The next day its welfare and the next and the next. They will live like that for generations. That is a cruel thing to do to people. Make them work for a few yrs for the same $ they get on welfare then they get some skills/experience and make more than welfare. It is temporary poverty vs permanent poverty.
shananagans5 5 months ago
@shananagans5 ... that is called slavery ... ever wonder that the crime rate will be ?
mba2ceo 5 months ago
@mba2ceo Oh I totally agree it is slavery. Taking money from hard working people is theft and slavery. If the gov is going to take $ from me to support someone doing nothing, I would rather pay to keep them in jail than let them sit at home. You assume lots of these people will turn to crime. Sure some will but many will get off their but, work and eventually break the poverty cycle. You figure society owes some people a free ride but that free ride comes at a cost to those getting that ride
shananagans5 5 months ago
common sense goes a long way.......liberals should be renamed to destroyers...they are the slave masters...they do the opposite to what they claim to be. in my book that's called a liar.
shanana000 5 months ago
Damn this guy is intelligent. It is just natural to him and there seems to be a wealth of it in reserve that he will never have to tap because No one could hang with him that long. Why isn't this guy on a ticket so I could vote for him.
ItsDonaldSutherland 5 months ago
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Nothing like a white liberal to tell black people what is best for them.
Maude lost this one.
ShadowSandy 5 months ago 16
@ShadowSandy "Maude!!!"
Nice!!!!
papeluso 5 months ago
@ShadowSandy That's all liberals do - tell women, blacks, and other minorities what's best for them. They tell them they cannot handle freedom and therefore have made them into children. Then we wonder why there are no many problems in some minority communities???? Only Nazis could be more racist and sexist!
Hereticalable 4 months ago
@Hereticalable No right wingers are way racist and sexist than the liberals. Since many of those liberals you slime are themselves blacks and women, your point is mindless Godwin's Law breaking drivel.
DawnOfTheDead991 3 months ago
@ShadowSandy
I agree she lost but what are u talkin about "white liberal telling black people what is best? She didn't say anything about black people. Sowell brought up blacks to prove his point. She and the panel were just talking about people on welfare in general. Make sure you're watching the tape correctly
MrRenagade15 4 months ago 2