Re: .303 British being underpowered. No, not for it's general use. It's very close to 7.62 NATO in performance, a bit ahead of 30-40 Krag and far ahead of .30-30 and .303 Savage. It's the latter round where a lot of confusion came from. Many years back, before most Americans had experience with the .303 British, it was assumed to be the same cartridge as .303 Savage. At least one manual confused the two, with the ballistic tables being identical. The mistake took hold until recent.
moi aussi...same here...the .303 brithish is a fine cartridge even excellent under ideal condition...I think the Marlin 45-70 loaded with any premium rounds like the Barnes or Buffalo Bore will drop any living land base creature on earth...including the Idiots who can comment positively on any level of actuallity...Lol
@Marlever357 The .303 itself hasn't put anybody underground...it's the people who pulled the trigger and the governments backing them that wreaked havoc on their fellow man.
The Minnie ball basically only saw use in the US civil war and the Crimean War, with, respectively, ~600 000 casualties (mostly from artillery) and ~550 000 casualties (mostly from disease, followed by artillery, AND only one side using Minnies), so lets say ~300 000 actually killed by Minnie shots.
IN both world wars, the Russians used Artillery more than rifles, and even had more rifles than bullets in WWI! Shile the russians used starvation for political atrocities (cont)
@rey1933 the British Empire frequently shot "uppity savages". The .303 preceded the 7.62x54r by 10 years and was used by more countries, in more wars, between from 1885 (1895 when the 7.62x54r was introduced) and the 1960s, when most users of the .303 switched to 7.62x51 NATO (762x54r was superseded by the 7.62x39 in 1945). While the Russians did a lot of fighting in WWII, they also did dick all prior to that, both militarily and in terms of mass shooting of civilians. 303s killed lots more.
Testing two cartridges like this is OK to do, but you should point out to the laymen here that these are two VERY different cartridges. .303 has flatter trajectory, but much smaller wound cavity and way less muzzle energy than a .45-70. If I was given a choice of getting hit with one or the other, I'd pick .303 without hesitation...it'd make a clean, small hole right through me...I might live. If you take a direct hit with a .45-70, it's a done deal. Again, two very different cartridges here.
@alternatehistories The military Mk. 7 round used in both world wars wouldn't make a clean, small hole. The inner tips were filled with aluminum, wood pulp, (early) plastic or even paper to bake the bottom-half heavier on impact. In short, the 1.25" in. long, 174 gr. Mk. 7 round was designed to "keyhole" after impact. Word is, Germany officially protested the use of the Mk. 7 rd. during WWI, which obviously was ignored.
@retroflow44 Maybe so, but I was referring mainly to .303 bullets in general...not specialized projectiles of the type you mention. This same principle applies to many other .30 cal rounds fired from bottleneck cartridges. The .45-70 bullet weighs over three times as much and is 50% wider in diameter. I'd still opt for getting shot by a .303 as opposed to a huge .45-70 slug.
Nope, .303 fires a 180 grain bullet 2460 feet per second and a .308 fires a 180 grain bullet at 2620 feet per second. That's nearly 125 miles per hour faster. I'm not saying that the .303 is under powered. I'd rather have a .303 than a .30-30 or 7.62x39mm.
@Moldovawineimporter You must be something like 16 years old because in the shooting world bullet speed is rated by feet per second not in miles per hour .
My Hornady reloaders book shows the 303 and 308 at same FPS using same bullet weights .
@Moldovawineimporter my opinion too :) I think you'd be hard pressed to find two cartridges that are as similar as the .303 and .308. I think the .303 drops a tiny little bit more and travels at almost identical fps. and of course the .303's a slightly larger diametre bullet at .311" as opposed to the the .308's .30 cal projectile.
@Moldovawineimporter were you firing the .303s out of an smle mate? I'm not claiming to be an expert (hell i don't even own a .303 chambered gun... yet, lol), but theoretically, if thats the case, the 303 can't be loaded very hot, as opposed to say loading rounds for a 308win in a typical bolt action - in other words, the .303 isn't given a fair chance.
Ruger's making the no. 1 in 303 brit for us aussies and the canadians, i imagine it'd be a great platform to test the potential of the round.
@TheGoodOlBoyzChannel Shilouette target shooters regularly score hits at 700, 800, even 1000 yards with .45-70's fired out of an old Sharps...using black powder, I might add. You only need to know the bullet drop and compensate for it by adjusting your sights.
@TheGoodOlBoyzChannel I own and shoot both. I'd honestly rather have a modern purpose designed long range magnum (IE, .300 weatherby, .338 Lapua, .50 BMG, .22 Eargasplitten Loudenboomer) for that shot, but both the .303 and the .45-70 can handle it in a pinch, with some practice. In fact, and to be fair this is more a rifle difference than a cartidge difference, I'd rather use my .45-70 for that shot. But, my .45-70 32" bbl single shot is 2010 manufacture, as compared to my 1917 ShtLE mk III*
.303 is a sweet rifle for Moose. I wonder what the test would be like with steel rounds like they used in ww2 lol The only rifles I ever shot where they all hit the target every time no adjustments just common sense in judgment. Bonjour from Alberta , I was from Sutton and Mansonville I miss Quebec bad.
@CapnCrossbones Do you mean the steel cored (black tipped) AP rounds? Or so you mean the old "silver" looking bullets you see on surplus rounds? Those were copper-nickel alloy, mostly nickel to save on copper. They polish nice.
@retroflow44 the silver alloy bullets I am pretty sure. Copper would shine up nice. Copper is the shiniest metal on earth. It just oxidizes real fast and loses luster. Thanks for the comments! :D
@InAKwitmyHK91 :" yeah, 45-70 is a top notch cartridge and to top it off it the first center fire"
Actually, the 50-70 Government was the first centerfire rifle cartridge adopted by the U.S. Army. It was developed for the 1866 Trapdoor Springfield rifle. It only saw seven years of use before being replaced by the 45-70 Government though.
order the cast performance 405 hard cast with a gas check...Not a long range round but....make sure there are no moose behind the one you shoot. On second thought, make sure there aren't 2 or 3 behind the one you shoot.
The 303 has a flatter trajectory for sure...but the 45/70 starts out the size the 303 wants to be after impact. JM2C
short range nod to the govt 45-70, distance and accuracy go to the british .303, I wouldn't want to get hit with either...as they say at the range, it wouldn't hurt for long, maybe 8 seconds till you're done dealing completely. be safe and good hunting.
Here in the northeast U.S. it is very densely forested so most hunters prefer a heavier, slower bullet. I think if I were moose hunting I would go for the 45-70 myself.
U.S.Ordnance tests in the 1880's using a 500 grain bullet over 70 grains of FFg blackpowder, penetrated 12-inches of white pine at 400 yards. Many modern high velocity "Magnum" rifles, using normal hunting ammunition, are not capable of such deep penetration at that range.
The 45-90 Sharps often killed two buffalo with one shot at 500+ yards due to its deep penetration. The 45-70 is capable of such performance with modern smokeless powder loads in a strong rifle.
My favorite old bolt action rifle is the 7.62x54 Mosin Nagant M91/30 with hand loaded ammo, a great cheap reliable gun that can shoot outwards accurately to 500 yrds EASY , theres a guy on youtube name "mag30th" that has videos of him shooting out to 900 yrds with one, though you'll never get that with factory loads.
@undergroundbasement The 303 british round is similar in size to the 7.62mm albeit larger, and you can find the rifles and surplus ammo for cheap too. Plus, 500 yards is child's play for the 303, look at any rifle ballistic chart and find that some 303 roiunds carry over 1,600 fps beyond even 500 yards. Flat enough to compete with even factory loaded rounds if you know your rifle and have good marksmanship practices. I'll post a video soon of my fridge sized target at 1240 yards.
@123456789mischief 303 under powerd? shur bud w/e you say ask all the soliders in the 2 world wars and all the animals across the planet that were shot with a 303 ask them if they found it underpowerd
@huntinguy532 OK you missed the joke. you said whoo ever thinks the 303 is under powered doesn't know what their talking about. so I said it was under powered, get the joke now?
never mind the soliders they used the 303 in the origanal P51 mustangs.
@DIVeltro OK that makes you the biggest idiot of all time. a 22 is underpowered and I still wouldn't let someone shoot me with one. bet you wouldn't like being shot with one of those either would you?
Now go back and read the comments again and see if you can pick up on the joke. I actualy explain the joke and you still don't get it. then I point out it had enough power to be used in a fighter plane.
From my own experience, the Remington 405 gr. soft point under normal condition (150 yards or less) is very potent medicine on Canadian Moose, beleive me....;-) go for high shoulder shot...they drop in their tracks! Also, these "standard" 405 gr. load from Remington are so low velocity THEY DONT kick at all....:-) just sight them 2" high for 100 yards.
Thanks for your insight brother. It looks like you are using the LeverRevolution scope by Cabellas on that rifle. Is that so? Can you really make 300 yard shots using the scope combined with Hornady's 325 grain ammunition?
Yes you could take on at 300 yards or so, but under "ideal" condition for shot placement for animal 500 lbs or less or 1000 lbs or more but under 150 yards or so. These Hornady round seem built to expend more than to penetrate so Lung-Heart area is best.
The scope on the Marlin 45-70 rifle is a Bosh&Lum 1.5X4.5-33mm. with the Hornady 325 gr. round, put the sight high 4" at 100 yards should be ok for a 300 yards chest shot on Mulies ....;-)
Hi M1....my problem here in Canda (with these stupid Canadian Gun Law in effect) prevents me from ordering the famous Garrett round from your country! I unfortunately dont reload anymore but would love to get my hands on (your ammo and or) these 420 Hardcast Garrett round....Thank's for you input, much appreciated. esher4580
esher4580 post office wont allow one to mail ammo has to go fedx over night if garret cant send you ammo have you considered casting several co make molds lee precision in Iowa would be yhe easiest it comes with handles and their inexpensive and make a good bullet.You could also see if laser cast would ship cast slugs to you im not up on canadian law.
Hey there old Chap! Very nice video you made.....I wonder if you would have "seperate more the distance between the shot on the target? meaning to shoot one different round in every corner of your target who's space in four line area! In doing so, you prevent any possible damaged to the panels (crack, hole or wood chip...) to close to where another shot could be placed. Still very Good Job Gandb21
45-70 vs chree o chree
6969beast6969 1 week ago
In Britain,the 303 is a legend,I have also heard that the Canadians and Aussies are fond of Enfields too.Great minds think alike.
Marlever357 1 month ago
Re: .303 British being underpowered. No, not for it's general use. It's very close to 7.62 NATO in performance, a bit ahead of 30-40 Krag and far ahead of .30-30 and .303 Savage. It's the latter round where a lot of confusion came from. Many years back, before most Americans had experience with the .303 British, it was assumed to be the same cartridge as .303 Savage. At least one manual confused the two, with the ballistic tables being identical. The mistake took hold until recent.
retroflow44 5 months ago
303 was the first round i fired with a lee enfeild no4 was a shock aged 10
TheAlexagius 6 months ago
@TheAlexagius
moi aussi...same here...the .303 brithish is a fine cartridge even excellent under ideal condition...I think the Marlin 45-70 loaded with any premium rounds like the Barnes or Buffalo Bore will drop any living land base creature on earth...including the Idiots who can comment positively on any level of actuallity...Lol
HondaDan1993 2 months ago
if the 303 was shooting a 200 grain bullet say like @ 2000 FPS, that could give a man some confidence
InAKwitmyHK91 8 months ago
thats great, now we have all the info we need to hunt pine trees.
jedirifleman 9 months ago
@jedirifleman
Dry ones espacially...:-)
HondaDan1993 2 months ago
The .303 round is far from underpowered,this is not a good thing but it has probably put more people underground than any other calibre in history.
Marlever357 9 months ago 2
@Marlever357 The .303 itself hasn't put anybody underground...it's the people who pulled the trigger and the governments backing them that wreaked havoc on their fellow man.
alternatehistories 9 months ago
@Marlever357 lol no 7,62x 54 or the minnie ball beat it by a lot.
rey1933 9 months ago
@rey1933 Umm... No.
The Minnie ball basically only saw use in the US civil war and the Crimean War, with, respectively, ~600 000 casualties (mostly from artillery) and ~550 000 casualties (mostly from disease, followed by artillery, AND only one side using Minnies), so lets say ~300 000 actually killed by Minnie shots.
IN both world wars, the Russians used Artillery more than rifles, and even had more rifles than bullets in WWI! Shile the russians used starvation for political atrocities (cont)
Stelphanie 6 months ago
@rey1933 the British Empire frequently shot "uppity savages". The .303 preceded the 7.62x54r by 10 years and was used by more countries, in more wars, between from 1885 (1895 when the 7.62x54r was introduced) and the 1960s, when most users of the .303 switched to 7.62x51 NATO (762x54r was superseded by the 7.62x39 in 1945). While the Russians did a lot of fighting in WWII, they also did dick all prior to that, both militarily and in terms of mass shooting of civilians. 303s killed lots more.
Stelphanie 6 months ago
Testing two cartridges like this is OK to do, but you should point out to the laymen here that these are two VERY different cartridges. .303 has flatter trajectory, but much smaller wound cavity and way less muzzle energy than a .45-70. If I was given a choice of getting hit with one or the other, I'd pick .303 without hesitation...it'd make a clean, small hole right through me...I might live. If you take a direct hit with a .45-70, it's a done deal. Again, two very different cartridges here.
alternatehistories 11 months ago
@alternatehistories The military Mk. 7 round used in both world wars wouldn't make a clean, small hole. The inner tips were filled with aluminum, wood pulp, (early) plastic or even paper to bake the bottom-half heavier on impact. In short, the 1.25" in. long, 174 gr. Mk. 7 round was designed to "keyhole" after impact. Word is, Germany officially protested the use of the Mk. 7 rd. during WWI, which obviously was ignored.
retroflow44 5 months ago
@retroflow44 Maybe so, but I was referring mainly to .303 bullets in general...not specialized projectiles of the type you mention. This same principle applies to many other .30 cal rounds fired from bottleneck cartridges. The .45-70 bullet weighs over three times as much and is 50% wider in diameter. I'd still opt for getting shot by a .303 as opposed to a huge .45-70 slug.
alternatehistories 5 months ago
Its real funny that some have posted messages the 303 is under powered .
All over the world the 303 has killded so many people and animals .
In India the 303 has killed many Tigars and larger animals .
The 303 does match the balistics of the 308 win so whats wrong with the 303 when so many people rave about the 308
Moldovawineimporter 11 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter
Nope, .303 fires a 180 grain bullet 2460 feet per second and a .308 fires a 180 grain bullet at 2620 feet per second. That's nearly 125 miles per hour faster. I'm not saying that the .303 is under powered. I'd rather have a .303 than a .30-30 or 7.62x39mm.
tubevideoguy762 11 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter You must be something like 16 years old because in the shooting world bullet speed is rated by feet per second not in miles per hour .
My Hornady reloaders book shows the 303 and 308 at same FPS using same bullet weights .
Moldovawineimporter 11 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter my opinion too :) I think you'd be hard pressed to find two cartridges that are as similar as the .303 and .308. I think the .303 drops a tiny little bit more and travels at almost identical fps. and of course the .303's a slightly larger diametre bullet at .311" as opposed to the the .308's .30 cal projectile.
.303's are still really underestimated.
MrHellyeah2010 3 months ago
@MrHellyeah2010 Well I can tell you I am not taking any guess work .
My Chonry showed the 303 is why slower than 308win .
My information is facts done over a Chrony and not some guessing from watching these You Tube video's.
Moldovawineimporter 3 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter were you firing the .303s out of an smle mate? I'm not claiming to be an expert (hell i don't even own a .303 chambered gun... yet, lol), but theoretically, if thats the case, the 303 can't be loaded very hot, as opposed to say loading rounds for a 308win in a typical bolt action - in other words, the .303 isn't given a fair chance.
Ruger's making the no. 1 in 303 brit for us aussies and the canadians, i imagine it'd be a great platform to test the potential of the round.
MrHellyeah2010 1 month ago
try making a 700 or 800 yard shot with 45-70.... no problem for the 303.
TheGoodOlBoyzChannel 11 months ago
@TheGoodOlBoyzChannel Shilouette target shooters regularly score hits at 700, 800, even 1000 yards with .45-70's fired out of an old Sharps...using black powder, I might add. You only need to know the bullet drop and compensate for it by adjusting your sights.
alternatehistories 9 months ago
@TheGoodOlBoyzChannel I own and shoot both. I'd honestly rather have a modern purpose designed long range magnum (IE, .300 weatherby, .338 Lapua, .50 BMG, .22 Eargasplitten Loudenboomer) for that shot, but both the .303 and the .45-70 can handle it in a pinch, with some practice. In fact, and to be fair this is more a rifle difference than a cartidge difference, I'd rather use my .45-70 for that shot. But, my .45-70 32" bbl single shot is 2010 manufacture, as compared to my 1917 ShtLE mk III*
Stelphanie 6 months ago
Your .303 is like the US .30-40 Krag. Both are great. The 45-70 is perfect.
MackinacIs 1 year ago
super shitty video
bobiscool308 1 year ago
@bobiscool308 \...Geez...so are such a crass for a ignorant comment like this...go back to school pls...:-)
HondaDan1993 2 months ago
tree-o-tree, i think its .303
bobiscool308 1 year ago
@bobiscool308
yes, I did say it has for joking here....Blah for you...;-)
HondaDan1993 2 months ago
.303 is a sweet rifle for Moose. I wonder what the test would be like with steel rounds like they used in ww2 lol The only rifles I ever shot where they all hit the target every time no adjustments just common sense in judgment. Bonjour from Alberta , I was from Sutton and Mansonville I miss Quebec bad.
CapnCrossbones 1 year ago
@CapnCrossbones Do you mean the steel cored (black tipped) AP rounds? Or so you mean the old "silver" looking bullets you see on surplus rounds? Those were copper-nickel alloy, mostly nickel to save on copper. They polish nice.
retroflow44 5 months ago
@retroflow44 the silver alloy bullets I am pretty sure. Copper would shine up nice. Copper is the shiniest metal on earth. It just oxidizes real fast and loses luster. Thanks for the comments! :D
CapnCrossbones 5 months ago
love hearing different accents.
Cheers from USA!!
bretona 1 year ago
yeah, 45-70 is a top notch cartridge and to top it off it the first center fire
InAKwitmyHK91 1 year ago
@InAKwitmyHK91 :" yeah, 45-70 is a top notch cartridge and to top it off it the first center fire"
Actually, the 50-70 Government was the first centerfire rifle cartridge adopted by the U.S. Army. It was developed for the 1866 Trapdoor Springfield rifle. It only saw seven years of use before being replaced by the 45-70 Government though.
HyperInflationNation 8 months ago
@HyperInflationNation The .45-70 is, however the oldest centerfire rifle cartridge in continuous mass production, thus leading to the common mistake.
Stelphanie 6 months ago
@Stelphanie Very good point Stelphanie.
HyperInflationNation 6 months ago
your accent is just plain awesome....Nuff' said
Gladeator123 1 year ago
QUEBEC?!?!?! That's where I live!!!!!
airsoftguy85rocks 1 year ago
i doubt you handload your ammunition, but try that with a 500 grain buffalo bore ammunition.
InAKwitmyHK91 1 year ago
@InAKwitmyHK91 For handloads the 530 grain Bonded Core will out penetrate some elephant rounds,in the 45/70.
616ist 1 year ago
lee enfields ftw! mine is chambered in 7.62 NATO, but its still awesome
tacoman375 1 year ago
I vote .303!!
DenwarTheoriginal 1 year ago
tree oh tree lol
spazzz64 1 year ago
@spazzz64 Baha that was soo damn funny tree o tree Lmfao
TheSmallfly 1 year ago
did he say Horny-D
RuyGuyDog 1 year ago
Pars, You backwoods Francophones rock......... nice comparison test. I'm going to have to take back all my frog jokes.
dphitch 1 year ago
order the cast performance 405 hard cast with a gas check...Not a long range round but....make sure there are no moose behind the one you shoot. On second thought, make sure there aren't 2 or 3 behind the one you shoot.
The 303 has a flatter trajectory for sure...but the 45/70 starts out the size the 303 wants to be after impact. JM2C
netravler1 1 year ago
short range nod to the govt 45-70, distance and accuracy go to the british .303, I wouldn't want to get hit with either...as they say at the range, it wouldn't hurt for long, maybe 8 seconds till you're done dealing completely. be safe and good hunting.
NoiseMostBeautiful 1 year ago
Here in the northeast U.S. it is very densely forested so most hunters prefer a heavier, slower bullet. I think if I were moose hunting I would go for the 45-70 myself.
viol999 2 years ago 2
30 million dead buffalo can't be wrong.
viol999 2 years ago 3
U.S.Ordnance tests in the 1880's using a 500 grain bullet over 70 grains of FFg blackpowder, penetrated 12-inches of white pine at 400 yards. Many modern high velocity "Magnum" rifles, using normal hunting ammunition, are not capable of such deep penetration at that range.
The 45-90 Sharps often killed two buffalo with one shot at 500+ yards due to its deep penetration. The 45-70 is capable of such performance with modern smokeless powder loads in a strong rifle.
coltperc 2 years ago
@viol999 Buffalo in the wild west were easy targets for high powered rifles.
303shotgun 1 year ago
My favorite old bolt action rifle is the 7.62x54 Mosin Nagant M91/30 with hand loaded ammo, a great cheap reliable gun that can shoot outwards accurately to 500 yrds EASY , theres a guy on youtube name "mag30th" that has videos of him shooting out to 900 yrds with one, though you'll never get that with factory loads.
undergroundbasement 2 years ago
@undergroundbasement The 303 british round is similar in size to the 7.62mm albeit larger, and you can find the rifles and surplus ammo for cheap too. Plus, 500 yards is child's play for the 303, look at any rifle ballistic chart and find that some 303 roiunds carry over 1,600 fps beyond even 500 yards. Flat enough to compete with even factory loaded rounds if you know your rifle and have good marksmanship practices. I'll post a video soon of my fridge sized target at 1240 yards.
gpgab971 2 years ago
Could you tell us what kind of scope and scope mount you're using on the Marlin? Thanks.
pacree 2 years ago
Lee enfield yeeeeeehaaaaaaa
CHOPERUS23 2 years ago 18
belle comparaison, asser simple ! jai aussi une .303 british 1941, awesome !!! lacher pas
mikemaxmary 2 years ago
Keeping in mind that wood is a LOUSY medium to test flesh wound effects of munitions, regardless of caliber.
CT034 2 years ago
Lee Enfield is perhaps the best bolt action rifle ever made. 303 unfairly gets a bad rep as being underpowered.
littlebiscuits 2 years ago
@littlebiscuits
Well, as an all North america gun it is. And for africa, not to say good shots don't count.... Many people use 30-30's for elk in wyoming
JtsGreene 2 years ago
Who ever says 303 is under power dosen't know what there talking about
huntinguy532 2 years ago 34
who said that. the world record polar bear was taken with a 303
standyourground91101 2 years ago
A guy tryed saying that in what is now a very old comment.
huntinguy532 2 years ago
@huntinguy532 i agree, but i prefer the 45/70 personally
farmerboy245 1 year ago
@huntinguy532 OK 303 is under powered.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@123456789mischief 303 under powerd? shur bud w/e you say ask all the soliders in the 2 world wars and all the animals across the planet that were shot with a 303 ask them if they found it underpowerd
huntinguy532 1 year ago
@huntinguy532 OK you missed the joke. you said whoo ever thinks the 303 is under powered doesn't know what their talking about. so I said it was under powered, get the joke now?
never mind the soliders they used the 303 in the origanal P51 mustangs.
123456789mischief 1 year ago 2
@123456789mischief
Tell you what...if you think the .303 is so underpowered, why not let someone shoot you with one?
Bet you won't like that too much would you?
DIVeltro 1 year ago
@DIVeltro OK that makes you the biggest idiot of all time. a 22 is underpowered and I still wouldn't let someone shoot me with one. bet you wouldn't like being shot with one of those either would you?
Now go back and read the comments again and see if you can pick up on the joke. I actualy explain the joke and you still don't get it. then I point out it had enough power to be used in a fighter plane.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
@huntinguy532 who THE FUCK would say that? its a damn large round! XD
singsam271 8 months ago
so the 45/70 won or 303?
PL4SM4SWORD 2 years ago
of course the 45-70, it's an enourmous load
HolyFreakinScot 2 years ago 2
wow i made that comment along time ago.... giggity you said load.... have a good day
PL4SM4SWORD 2 years ago
i would choose the 303 if im shooting over 300 yards though. the 45-70 gov't has extreme energy loss and pulls down after a good 150-200 yards
baconator490 2 years ago
Interesting comparison
PigHunter375 2 years ago
whats a 303's fps?
fudman02 3 years ago
around 2600
covertcolt 2 years ago
2450/fps
mediamafiaproduction 2 years ago
hows that compared to the moderen hunting rifle?
fudman02 2 years ago
what do u mean ?
what caliber ?
mediamafiaproduction 2 years ago
actually they are pretty close
mediamafiaproduction 2 years ago
i love yoopers. rock on guys!
JethroTull18 3 years ago
hahaha "tree oh tree"
jerryboy219 3 years ago
From my own experience, the Remington 405 gr. soft point under normal condition (150 yards or less) is very potent medicine on Canadian Moose, beleive me....;-) go for high shoulder shot...they drop in their tracks! Also, these "standard" 405 gr. load from Remington are so low velocity THEY DONT kick at all....:-) just sight them 2" high for 100 yards.
esher4570
esher4570 3 years ago
Thanks for your insight brother. It looks like you are using the LeverRevolution scope by Cabellas on that rifle. Is that so? Can you really make 300 yard shots using the scope combined with Hornady's 325 grain ammunition?
adventuresocal 3 years ago 2
Yes you could take on at 300 yards or so, but under "ideal" condition for shot placement for animal 500 lbs or less or 1000 lbs or more but under 150 yards or so. These Hornady round seem built to expend more than to penetrate so Lung-Heart area is best.
esher4570 3 years ago
The scope on the Marlin 45-70 rifle is a Bosh&Lum 1.5X4.5-33mm. with the Hornady 325 gr. round, put the sight high 4" at 100 yards should be ok for a 300 yards chest shot on Mulies ....;-)
esher4570 3 years ago
Try a 400gr hard cast bullet I cast my own out of linotype with 48gr imr3031 youll never recover one. penetrate like crazy.
m1garand1959 3 years ago 4
Hi M1....my problem here in Canda (with these stupid Canadian Gun Law in effect) prevents me from ordering the famous Garrett round from your country! I unfortunately dont reload anymore but would love to get my hands on (your ammo and or) these 420 Hardcast Garrett round....Thank's for you input, much appreciated. esher4580
esher4580 3 years ago
esher4580 post office wont allow one to mail ammo has to go fedx over night if garret cant send you ammo have you considered casting several co make molds lee precision in Iowa would be yhe easiest it comes with handles and their inexpensive and make a good bullet.You could also see if laser cast would ship cast slugs to you im not up on canadian law.
m1garand1959 3 years ago 2
I second that statement. Check out my video "Bullet Trap: .45-70" and watch the hardcast Garrett smoke em all.
gandb21 3 years ago 2
gandb21 saw your vid looked like you could take two buffalo at a time if you could line em up for that cast load.
m1garand1959 3 years ago 2
Garrett reports lengthways penetration of a full-sized Cape Buffalo with their 540gr round.
gandb21 3 years ago
I checked out your video. It was a "10!" Excellent job.
adventuresocal 3 years ago 3
Hey there old Chap! Very nice video you made.....I wonder if you would have "seperate more the distance between the shot on the target? meaning to shoot one different round in every corner of your target who's space in four line area! In doing so, you prevent any possible damaged to the panels (crack, hole or wood chip...) to close to where another shot could be placed. Still very Good Job Gandb21
esher4570 3 years ago
great video Serge! Keep 'em coming!
pars36 3 years ago