LDS Church-Sponsored Mocking Of Christian Beliefs

[awolLDSasap]

Nice rebuttle on Jedi...

Funny thing happened. Omiolo said I was correct by saying that his god doesn't live on kolob anymore. If not kolob, where? Uranus?

[JediLDS]

@awolLDSasap God never did live on Kolob.

[awolLDSasap]

@JediLDS Didn't I say that he lived somewhere in the kolob system?

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS Momons twist everything, the correct answer would be a planet near kolob but you knew what the topic is just can't help but twist things around to try and show that JS was not crazy but he was very crazy. He was a glass looker and a treasure hunter with his dad, that is were he got the peep stone idea from.

Sorry for being so blunt but you knew what was being said!

[majinish]

That's not mocking at all. That's how people of other denominations of traditional, not Biblical, Christianity are. If they don't like what the preacher says they go somewhere else. They don't want someone to agree with scripture, they want someone to agree with them.

[godluvsmormons]

@majinish that is a blessed freedom we non Mormons have. If a preacher doesn't preach the word of God, and we admonish him, and he refuses to repent, we have the freedom to leave. God will write Ichabod" on a church that fails to bring the gospel to people, and has written that on the LDS church I'm sure. Their success depends of verbal trickery and twisting of the Bible, whereas ours is in the truth of the eternal gospel, that all who trust in Jesus may be saved NOW.

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons Not everyone in your congregation will agree with you if what your "pastor" teaches is true or not. That's where your problem is. It's more like what you personally agree with, not necessarily what the Bible teaches. That's why you cast him aside. We don't twist the Bible. We teach what it teaches and we bring the true gospel of Jesus Christ to mankind.

[godluvsmormons]

@majinish if you preached the true gospel, you would teach that what we do has nothing to do with salvation, and that salvation is not resurrection but the gift of God that saves us from eternal hell for eternal heaven. If you preached the true gospel, you'd teach that there is one God, and that Jesus is God, The Father is God and the Spirit is God, all of which are aspects of a single God, not several gods. If you preached the true gospel, you'd teach that temple worship was abolished.

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons Matthew 25:36-46. Those are Jesus' words about salvation. He doesn't speak of faith, he speaks of works being so important that they can determine where someone goes.

@"The Father is God and the Spirit is God, all of which are aspects of a single God"

Why would we Biblical Christians teach the "trinity" heresy? There is but one that is the only true God and that is the Father. Jesus himself said it. We teach his teachings. You teach things made from creeds.

[godluvsmormons]

there are two possible reasons that people will be judged by their works; 1. They rejected Jesus as savior in this life, so the only thing they had to show was their works, and since their works were worthless without Jesus residing in them by faith, they will be found wanting, and go to eternal hell. 2. Works are the natural outcome of true faith, thus they will be judged by the outcome of their faith, or supposed faith. The Bible could no be clearer, salvation is by faith alone in Jesus

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons If it can't be clearer why don't you understand what the Bible says? Grace is given for obedience to the faith. It's not implied, it's a direct statement from Romans 1:5. Grace being free means we don't have to make animal sacrifices like how it used to be done before the atonement.

[godluvsmormons]

@majinish no, grace is unmeritable favor, that is the definition of it, so to say we must merit it is to completely go against the definition of the word. If you had sinned against someone, and they came along and said "I will forgive you, but first you have to run through a series of challenges,and completely change the way you live and act" then that would not be grace. Grace does require faith in Jesus as the mode of receiving it, and that is where the "obedience" to the gospel ends.

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons So either you're wrong or Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, is wrong.

@"Grace does require faith in Jesus as the mode of receiving it, and that is where the "obedience" to the gospel ends"

Way off. Simply saying you have faith isn't it. The Bible does not teach its faith alone & it doesn't teach its works alone. It teaches its both faith and works. What about what Jesus said in Matthew 25:36-46? Works will determine where you go, not faith alone.

[godluvsmormons]

As I stated, the people in Matthew 25 are most likely being judged by their works because works are the outcome of faith. The judgement by works is for OUR benefit, not God's. You will note that the works listed are not church ordinances such as baptism, tithing, missionary work and so on, but acts of true Godly love, such as feeding, clothing and housing the needy. If we say we have Jesus in us, but do not show it by love, we are fooling ourselves. Eph 2:8-9 says by grace, THROUGH faith

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons Faith is not mentioned once in those verses. Jesus is strictly talking about works. When it comes to the scriptures I don't go by "most likely". I go by what it is. One of the works Christ mentions in verses such as Mark 16:16 and John 3:5 is baptism. Baptism is essential. Yes, we're given grace for obedience to the faith (Romans 1:5). Not because of faith alone.

[godluvsmormons]

You don't want to learn, or exchange ideas, but only to dictate. That's pretty much what one expects from a faith that is ruled by a single man in God's stead. If you were listening, instead of trying to find a loophole, you'd benefit from the word of God, You aren't listening, just spouting LDS doctrine, so it's pointless to argue with you. I have studied the Bible intently for 3 decades, and I find the truth of it for myself, I suggest you do the same, instead of arguing with the messenger

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons I've been teaching the simple truth. You've studied the Bible for 3 decades yet you still don't understand it. I agree with the scriptures which is why I don't agree with you.

[godluvsmormons]

@majinish Just so I can clarify, the works that they were judged by were works ALL men can do, regardless of what church or denomination they are in. In Ephesians 2, we are told that we are given grace SO THAT we can work, not because of our works, and in John 15:1-8, we see that our works are only valid in a spiritual sense IF they are done after we have received Jesus into ourselves BY FAITH. Without Jesus in us, we can do NOTHING, i.e. nothing we do matters.

[majinish]

@godluvsmormons Grace is given for obedience to the faith as found in Romans 1:5. Faith is dead without works which is in the entire 2nd half of James 2. Paul and James both agree that works of righteousness are important.

@"nothing we do matters." So the woman that anointed Jesus' feet, what she did didn't matter? Jesus certainly thought it did.

[Keruaran]

@godluvsmormons

I've been over Romans with majinish before... yet here he is trying to recycle the same poor arguments yet again. Even though Paul clearly and eloquently expounds the gospel, majinish has neither eyes nor ears to see and hear, nor willingness to listen. He believes he can see... I've watched him latch onto Romans 1:5 before as well... he appears to think he's onto something but he's not remotely interested in correct exegesis. He prefers to be his own god.

[JediLDS]

@godluvsmormons "Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness; For the power is in them, wherein they are agents unto themselves. And inasmuch as men do good they shall in nowise lose their reward." D&C 58:27-28

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS D&C 132...we can start with verse 4 "For behold, I reveal unto you a new and EVERLASTING COVENANT; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory." How many wives do you have? or are you "damned"? Also read Jacob 2:27 "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife...." D&C cannot be trusted.

[JediLDS]

@godluvsmormons "all who trust in Jesus may be saved NOW."

Not according to the Bible. The Bible says that he who endures TO THE END will be saved. Look it up.

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS Again context my friend! Matthew 24:1-14 in context for one Jesus is talking to His disciples not the lost. And Jesus is warning of what is to come, all the persecutions and for them to hold fast through it all (notice the false prophets part hint hint) . Jesus is saying that even the persecuted Christians may fall away but the ones who hold fast to the truth will be saved!

Please seek the truth!

[JediLDS]

@Exodus314IAM "Jesus is saying that even the persecuted Christians may fall away but the ones who hold fast to the truth will be saved!"

My point exactly. Those who hold fast to the truth. For how long? Until they die. THAT'S "enduring to the end". Therefore, I don't think anyone can claim to be saved on such-and-such a date just because they sincerely accepted Jesus Christ as their savior the day before that. I've heard many Christians claim that, however.

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS Actually it is not "those" it is the true Christians who know and follow the true Jesus of the Bible not of false prophets as I pointed out in Matthew 24. Please stop cherry picking verses and what we say to you. You really need to look up the word "context" and keep to it. I am just giving constructive criticism and am not trying to put you down. I know how hard it is to get out of the enemies grip, he is strong and we all fall short according to God but God a way our "Jesus".

[JediLDS]

@Exodus314IAM By "those", I was referring to your reference of "the one's who hold fast to the truth will be saved." What, to you, does "enduring to the end" mean? To me, it means until the end of their lives. If that's not the true meaning, then to the end of what? And how long does one have to hold "fast to the truth" before they are saved? See what I mean? You contradict yourself in your own posts. The Bible is very specific about "enduring to the end". You can't seem to define it, however.

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS The end is the end of your life on this earth and then there is nothing you can do because once you leave your body you are with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:2-8) and judgment. Now if you can take the time to read Matthew 24 in context not just the one verse you can see the truth but I am seeing that this is a harder challenge that I thought. Untell you can do this you will be in the dark and I hope not forever!

[awolLDSasap]

It's obvious the 2 actors asking questions had never read the Bible. And along comes a member of the church of Joseph Smith telling them to read the Bookofmomron? This is a trap! In Mormonism you will be annointed as priests and rulers in the Smith dynasty. One face of this dynasty mocks the body of Jesus Christ. The other face strives to be called Christian. Hypocrisy anyone?

[JediLDS]

It's unfortunate that some folks misinterpret Matt 22:30 and Mark 12:25. The verses do not say that there will be no married people in heaven, just that marriages will not take place in heaven. If someone who has the proper authority from God marries a couple here on earth, that marriage will continue in heaven. Also just as valid are proxy marriages performed on earth for those who have passed on. Of course, the couple in heaven have the choice to accept or reject the proxy marriage.

[JediLDS]

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." (Revelation 20:12-13)

[MormonDoctrinedotnet]

@JediLDS The dead were judged by their works, because they wanted it that way. Those in the Book of Life will be counted righteous by the blood of the Lamb.

[JediLDS]

@MormonDoctrinedotnet The dead wanted it that way? Where does it say that in the Bible? ALL the dead will be judged by their works. Works don't save us, but they do prove our true faith in Jesus Christ, which faith does save us. A person can't just sit back and do nothing and expect to be saved. Good works does have a place in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Not all works are as filthy rags.

[MormonDoctrinedotnet]

@JediLDS Rev. 20

[godluvsmormons]

@JediLDS actually, he can just sit back and do nothing, and be saved. But the likelihood that he will is slim to none, any more than a bird could sit still if its tail feathers were on fire.

[JediLDS]

@godluvsmormons ... The Bible does not support you on that matter. One cannot show true faith in, or love for, Jesus Christ by doing nothing. It has to be an active faith--and good works is proof of an active faith. Faith and works go hand-in-hand, and lead to salvation through the grace of Jesus Christ.

[sharlyates40]

@JediLDS you are right works is proof of salvation but you can not heed nor acknowledge Joseph Smith, he is a false prophet and that is where the everyday LDS is deceived, the temple rituals are of satanic origin and its all exposed in the bible KJV have you read it lately? look for the pentagrams at temple square etc....

[JediLDS]

@sharlyates40 Whether or not Joseph Smith is a prophet is a matter of personal opinion as far as you are concerned. You can't prove your statement one way or the other.

Pentagrams...now you've hit on one of my favorite topics. A symbol, any symbol, is only as good or bad as the meaning that the user of that symbol attaches to it. The inverted pentagram used to symbolize the five wounds of Christ. Then some defrocked French priest drew a goat's head in the middle, and suddenly it was evil.

[sharlyates40]

@JediLDS Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. I think the star is covered in this verse the 2nd commandment, 1 Corinthians 8:4 we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. the mormon believes he will become a god, does this not concern you? satan wants to be god too, educate yourself, please.

[JediLDS]

@sharlyates40 " the mormon believes he will become a god, does this not concern you?"

Not in the least, as we believe that man's potential to become a god is a possibility. Such an occurrence would be under God's direction and by his authority, however.

[sharlyates40]

@JediLDS If you can keep all 613 laws and keep them perfectly from the day you are born til the day you die, then you are god, we all know that its too late for you now, so what will you do? Gods grace is for the poor in spirit and the humble, your religion is based on pride, and false humility, and your doctrines are of the demons.Isaiah 43:10 Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.

[sharlyates40]

@JediLDS Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. Galatians 3:10 those who are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.

[majinish]

@MormonDoctrinedotnet So by your "logic" nobody after Revelation was written have actually died or will die.

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS Please note that it was John who wrote Revelation. What did he say earlier, when quoting Jesus.

Joh 6:28 Then they said to him, "What must we do, to be doing the works of God?"

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

[awolLDSasap]

@JediLDS Those saved by the grace of God are alive with Jesus Christ. When it says "the dead" it is referring to the wicked. The wicked and the dead will be judged by their works against the work Jesus did upon the cross. The context in Revelation is clear about the dead and wicked. Osama Ben Laden will come out of the sea.. hehe....

[JediLDS]

@awolLDSasap The "dead" is actually referring to the wicked? Only by your own personal interpretation it does.

[awolLDSasap]

@JediLDS It's not my interpretation. Judgement is not a good thing. Do you want to be judged by the law and your works or covered by the perfection of Jesus Christ?

[JediLDS]

@awolLDSasap Everyone will eventually stand before the judgement bar. There's no getting out of it.

[awolLDSasap]

@JediLDS When a person dies they are absent from the body, and present with the Lord, or in a terrible place (the second death). This is the judgment seat of Christ. This is NOT the final judgement. The final judgement is of the wicked and those who are in the second death. The greatest rewards, "crowns" will be laid at the feet of the Lamb. Do you know who Jesus is? He was never a spirit brother. He is the king and mighty God.

[godluvsmormons]

@JediLDS yes, and that is as we have always maintained, works are the result of the change that takes place when we are saved, and have all sins, past, present and future forgiven. Someone who had no works, had no faith. It sounds like double talk to the lost, but we do not have to do good works TO BE saved, but we will do them IF WE are saved.

[JediLDS]

@godluvsmormons You seem to be of the opinion then that ONLY those who are saved can do good works. If someone who is not saved helps another person in need, the person who helped them is actually doing evil works?

Faith and belief in Christ comes before salvation, and we show our true faith in Jesus by doing good works.

[godluvsmormons]

@JediLDS I express few opinions, my thoughts are based on the Bible. The lost, unregenerate person can do "good works" but they are meaningless without Jesus in them by faith. John 15 tells us this plainly. We are saved because we are sinners, filthy and wretched in God's sight, not because we are basically good and just need Jesus to show us the way and pay for original sin. The LDS theology is so far removed from the Bible in that regard. Jesus is a savior, not a helper.

[JediLDS]

@godluvsmormons "The lost, unregenerate person can do "good works" but they are meaningless without Jesus in them by faith."

I guarantee you that if I, or anyone else, for that matter, helps someone by taking them food, or providing them money to buy food, etc., that person is not going to care whether or not the person who helped has faith in Jesus Christ, or even if they are religious or not.

And I also know that God looks on such a selfless act with favor.

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" is "destuction" the lower heaven? does not sound like it, so then who will enter the strait gate? the muslims who feed the poor. Maybe the Athiest who gave cloths to the homeless? How does God look on these "works", with favor, do they count? Read Isaiah 64:6.

[JediLDS]

@Exodus314IAM Neither you, I, or anyone else has the wisdom and authority to judge where a person will end up. God knows the heart of every person. If, for example, an atheist helped someone he or she had genuine compassion for, I firmly believe that God would look on that act of compassion with favor. One has to consider the "reason" for the help. In the end, God will sort it all out.

As for Isaiah 64:6, context m'man. Read the next verse which explains the "why" of verse six.

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS You are right, that is why I do not Judge but God did give us something to get us to Heaven, "THE BIBLE" and the Bible is clear on how we can spend ETERNITY with God in the only deweling place of God, The Heaven. As for our heart the Bible does tell us what God thinks of that to read Jeremiah 171-18; Matthew 15:15-20. Now the heart can be made good through God (Psa. 14:2-3; Prov. 4:19; 10:16,32; 12:5,10; 15:8,9,26,28; 21:4,10,27; Isa. 45:20; 64:6 there are a lot more!)

[JediLDS]

@Exodus314IAM The Bible (or should I say, Bibles?) are very open to much personal interpretation. That was the problem Joseph Smith had in trying to decide what church to join. In his words: " the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible."

[Exodus314IAM]

@JediLDS I am sad you feel that way, this shows how Satan has clouded your views. You see the different translations do not go against each other, the main messages are all the same. It is like the BOM in German and the BOM in English do they have different messages? The Newer translations have more sources than the KJV from all the archeological finds today. Nor that does not mean the KJV is not accurate, just has a few small holes so to speak. I read the KJV sometimes.

cont.

[Exodus314IAM]

Now that said the JSV is full of CHANGES that through archeology we see are not accurate and thus makes it not trustworthy as is the New World Translation of the JW’s. When someone takes their own views and tries to make them fact there is a problem. Now there are some interpretations Bibles out there that I do not recommend.

Do not let Satan fool you my friend, seek the truth!

[godluvsmormons]

@Exodus314IAM The Book Of Mormon has had doctrinal changes made to it, not just spelling, grammar and order of events, DOCTRINAL changes. God's word has never, will never and can never change, and it is your mind that has been clouded by Satan to believe that man is powerful enough to topple what Jesus who IS GOD built. The church is built on the fact that Jesus is the Messiah, the son of God, not on Peter or any other man. Joseph Smith s NOT God, and should not be followed.

[godluvsmormons]

No, his problem, if indeed that story is even true was not with the Bible, but with the people who, as he later did, thought they were the only ones who had the right to teach and preach it. The Bible is GOD'S word, not man's, and as such it is not open to personal interpretation and it can not be altered, lost or corrupted. If it can, then there is no God, and all of these discussions are a waste of time. The bottom line is who we trust in, if man, then not God, if God, then not man.

[godluvsmormons]

@JediLDS Please stop quoting the lie called the D & C, it is a man made document, and was not inspired by God, but by Satan, the father of lies. If you can win this discussion, you will have to do it with God's word, the Bible.

[JediLDS]

@godluvsmormons Your statement about the D&C is a personal opinion, which you have every right to, of course. However, and being LDS, I will quote from the D&C anytime I choose to.

[lgazzini]

Notice the last diatribe. Q: Can you tell us here we will be after death?

A: When death separates you from all your kingsmen; your friends and your loved ones, you will be alone brother. ...

That is a blatant lie, there as a set up to promote another lie about families in heaven.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini One of the most attractive doctrines in the LDS church is that families can be together forever. They don't need to be separated at death. Jesus told Peter that "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:19) If a couple are married on earth by someone with God's authority, that marriage will also be "bound in heaven". Eternal marriage is Biblical.

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS First off, look at who Jesus was specifically speaking to when He made that statement. It was made to Peter. It was a statement for all the Apostles. It had nothing to do with marriage. In Matt 22 Jesus is being asked who a woman married 7 times on earth will be married to in Heaven. Jesus said none of them. Anyway, the point of my post totally went over your head. The actor lies when he infers that Christians teach we will be ALONE in Heaven.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini ... The actor was not lying. He was not inferring that Christians believe they will be alone in heaven, but that they don't believe married couples and families can be together forever. As far as I know, LDS are the only people who have that knowledge.

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS The actor's statement was "you will be alone in Heaven." He said NOTHING about being with your loved ones. The actor LIED and misrepresented Christian beliefs. All the Scripture twisting you do does not make the Bible fit your racist faith. (Do not be alarmed I said racist, name a single black man who was given the LDS priesthood btwn 1880 to 1970. Just one Mr. Jedi.)

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS The actor stated Christians believe they will be alone in Heaven. Which Christians actually believe this? When one is with Christ, one is never alone. Every verse you are referring to here requires massive twisting in order to hammer it into your man made belief system.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini ... you are totally missing the point of the actor's statement. By "alone", he meant not with friends, family, etc. And most Christian's I've chatted with on the internet don't believe that they will be with their families or other loved ones for eternity. That is one belief that is center to LDS doctrine, and is also what attracted my wife to the church. She was baptized 5 years before I met her.

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS I am not such a dumb cluck as you suppose. I have ears. I have listened to it very well. The actor LIED about Christian beliefs. He NEVER said anything about not being with your family. If you are incapable about being honest with a silly pageant, you can never be honest in how you deal with God.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini As I said before, you are totally missing the point of the actor's statement. I, and any other LDS listener, knows exactly what the actor was insinuating. Your problem is one that plagues most anti-Mormonism types: you have no comprehension of LDS jargon, or understanding of what proxy baptisms and marriages, etc. means to LDS. Now, you can tack on whatever interpretation want to what the actor is saying, but so far, you have not "hit it"; i.e. you have not gotten it correct.

[MormonDoctrinedotnet]

@JediLDS Oh, so you condone the LDS Church-sponsored mocking.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini No one was insinuating that you are dumb--certainly not me. You are just uneducated as to LDS culture--and there is nothing wrong with that, except when you try to attach incorrect meanings to things that are uniquely LDS. Thus, I'm able to understand your, and others, confusion over the word "alone" when spoken in the context it was used in. It won't do any good, I know, because you anti-Mormonism types will still persist in getting it wrong, claiming lies by LDS were no lies exist.

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS You are certainly insinuating I am dumb.  But it is only because of your blind arrogance. The actor NEVER mentions anything about families in Heaven. Never. He is not portraying a Mormon, he is portraying a Christian. In doing so he is lying about Christian beliefs. Grow up and see it for what it is. The Mormon rose colored glasses are making you make a fool of yourself.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini said: "You are certainly insinuating I am dumb."

If you want to believe that, it's your choice. After giving the video a good listen to again, I realized that the only dishonesty is the video poster's comment chopping off the actor's words after the "you will be alone brother. ..." Here's the next sentence: "And either heaven awaits you, where there is peace, or the infernal pits, wherein dwell the lost and wicked souls."

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS

The lie is "you will be alone." That is portrayed as a Christian teaching and that is a lie. I am well aware of Mormon theology. I am also well aware of how Mormons twist the Bible to fit Joseph Smith's man made teachings. Want to know a really big bad lie? Joseph claimed to translate Egyptian. Joseph got the name of the most common Egyptian gods wrong every single time. I guess one could say he was at least consistent. Sad anyone falls for that garbage.

[JediLDS]

@lgazzini The lie is not "you will be alone". You need to listen to the rest of it. By your logic, Jesus will be with the people even if they go to hell.

[lgazzini]

@JediLDS It is indeed a lie that we will be alone. I have never said anything about Jesus being with anyone in Hell. I have pointed out this representation of Christianity is a LIE. It does not matter how bad you twist what is presented here, When you listen to the video, the actors are lying about what Christians believe.

Grow up and get over it. Better yet, leave all your LDS brainwashing behind, and listen to what the actual words are here.