PoSV - Steve Jobs vs. Bill Gates

[josh14455]

and hes right, having better things doesn't matter i got this shit plastic laptop but it works hella great running the windows 8 developer preview just fine :)

[theanthony345]

whats "try theft" from 0:56

[nixxxon18]

Steve jobs was a fucking arrogant dickhead that wanted to control everything, that was the reason why he became bill gates bitch and he got OWNED all the way.

[moho472]

@nixxxon18 Dude shut up you do know that you wont have no windows right. SO just shut the fuck up. Steve was a control freak in the past but when he got fired he changed. NeXT Steve's company was building basicly OS X when Apple Brough ack Steve Steve created Pixar after he got fired! So just cause your a hater doesnt mean you disrespct People

[nixxxon18]

@moho472 no he didnt change. even in his latest years, he wanted to control everything and MONOPOLIZE the market. Hes been always an asshole. He wanted to completely destroy the competition. And you may not admit it, but you know it... you apple fanboy

[moho472]

@nixxxon18 Now tell me if he didn't change then why did apple buy NeXT so they can have him as permanent CEO and no I aint an Apple fanboy if i was then i would be hating on Bill Gates and the man donated Billions for charity. So get your fats straight before assuming

[nixxxon18]

@moho472 If steve&apple could, they would have bought Microsoft aswell LOL, granted. But its the other way round, Microsoft owns a big share of Apple.

And Apple would love to buy Samsung aswell, so they have a huge control of the smartphone market, but samsung is another huge company that apple can't even touch

[moho472]

@nixxxon18 You do know that they cant buy any of the company's. They did Create the Multi Touch Technology btw :P

[soul416]

@moho472 They created nothing. If it wasn't for Gates, NO computer would exist. If it weren't for some poor sap in England that couldn't afford to keep paying for a patent, you wouldn't have the ipod. EVERYTHING Jobs introduced is STOLEN, EVERYTHING. They create nothing, they take everything because they think they're entitled.

[soul416]

@moho472 Yo homo, you need to get your facts straight. You clearly ARE ragging on Gates, you're also not smart so stop pretending that you have "facts," because you don't. What the fuck does buying a LONG-SINCE DEFUNCT company have anything to do with him changing? NOTHING.

[moho472]

@soul416 Dude you dont have to rage simply cause you do not like Apple. This Movie is telling the truth about Bill and Steve. SO next time dont rage. Idiot.

[soul416]

@nixxxon18 Precisely! Even though Apple charges people 3 times for the same components that are in PCs, which overinflates the price, the PC companies STILL MAKE MORE MONEY. It's very amusing.

[kirter23]

Who is playing Bill Gates? And is that what really happened? My opinion of Gates just went down a notch.

[AMHOfficialFanpage]

@kirter23 Anthony Michael Hall Played Bill Gates in this movie.

[UnchainTheNight1]

I grew up with windows 98 as a kid and every time i hear it start up made me happy lol cos i knew some simcopter was gonna get played

nothing quite like the relationship between a geeky kid and his OS : ' )

anyway that's why i'm partial to windows and now i have windows 7 and i really like it.

[josh14455]

Bill gates - The reson none of his stuff looks nice was cuzz he dident care about that all he cared about was if his stuff worked unlike steve jobs who only cares about looks

[Fernesur]

Jobs & Gates Oh God  The Best Team

[PoliticalHell]

Microsoft is the best.

[arand4]

@PoliticalHell paaaaaaaaah hahahahaha let me laugh

[PoliticalHell]

@arand4 I hope you do, thus my job was done.

[shire2005]

Steve jobs made the mistake from the beginning by clining to this idea of selling hardware when it was his operating system that was the best thing he had.

He should have just sold his operating system to IBM but didn't have the mind set to ever do that.

By the way apple did not steal the mouse interface from zerox they paid to look at it and zerox was too dumb to know what they had.

[macnerd93]

yeah your right, Apple did pay for a demo at Xerox though, in exchange for Apple shares

[bqrius]

I GOT THE LOOT BIOTCH !!!!!!!

hahah, thanks to Xerox~~

[dilatedmuscle]

steve jobs got PWND lmao he seemed bitter in this movie adn he seems bitter today

[Dark4Vendetta]

Same goes true for today for what the actor of Bill Gates said "That doesn't matter." After Steve Jobs said "We have better stuff." Now more of the market of computer owners own a PC running windows than Mac. But the truth still remains. "We have better stuff". Mac OS X has better stuff.

[JSlash2004]

I totally agree. As you pointed out, and this movie along with what it's based on demonstrates, the real power of a product is in the marketing and perceived sufficiency of a product, not it's quality. That being said, do you think it's possible for someone to invent a computer operating system that is so vastly superior to Mac OS X AND Windows that the marketing would not matter, or is the world, thanks to corporate branding, doomed to putting up with whatever Apple and Microsoft dish out?

[superdave31]

@JSlash2004 No company is safe from going bankrupt. And that includes companies like coca cola and microsoft. This is why microsoft try signing talented young people all the time (like zuckerberg of facebook) as they jknow that ideas and inventions are the future of microsoft.. not them working for another company providing their ideas. I also slightly disagree on marketing comments, Look at red bull. Its the mosrt epxensive energy drink and still sells as it is the better product, imo

[trandojedi]

i like windows cause it just works

[Dark4Vendetta]

If you use it for just games, internet, email, and family and friends message chats, yes. For anything else, it's pure bullshit.

[popster2233]

I have used windows vista for over a year now, have used it for games, instant messageing, applications, playing movies and eveyrthing else, i have never had a problem wth it, i dont know why people seem to slagg it off so much, yes there are the popup security windows everytime u want to intall something which is annoyin but appart from that is excellent,, and it looks far better than winXp aswell, wht does mac os x have that is superior to vista.

[Dark4Vendetta]

Hmm, lets see. UNIX core=almost no viruses, dock, single application installs, no windows install shield, no un-install with add/remove programs and than restart, single delete applications to trash, less memory requirements.

[popster2233]

who cares, as long as it works,

last time i used a mac, i was running photoshop and for some reason it stopped working, couldnt get it running and then it crashed, turned it off and no response,

the it tech man coldnt even fix it cos he didnt know how,, now if ur using a mac and breaks how r u gonna fix it.

[macnerd93]

erm well your just an idiot as is that tech guy, to be honest i dont even believe you, maybe your confused and you were using windows

[soul416]

@popster2233 Then don't use a Mac because that's what they do, or should I say don't do; they don't work. That happened to me repeatedly in school with photoshop, so graphic design programs shove these POSes down students throats when clearly they aren't worth anything for that field. The graphic design field made Apple what it is because of the link that they had with Adobe, Macs don't make the designers - the designers made Macs what they are.

[soul416]

@popster2233 Now Apple could care less about their consumers, big surprise. If the way his company and he treated consumers doesn't tell everyone that he's really unfeeling Repuke instead of a Liberal, like some idiots claim, then nothing will prove it.

[simmsinns]

That doesn't matter.

[bub777]

"I got the loot, Steve!"?

So Bill's saying that he raided Xerox's brainchild before Steve did?

[Adaub7282]

No, he's saying he released Windows before Steve Jobs released an OS.

[liam12360]

Yeah, Xerox made everything, they invented the mouse, GUI, window interface, everything! Microsoft and Apple both stole from Xerox. Thats just it.

[kaleedeo]

No actually, Xerox was working with apple to create the GUI. It was designed for apple's operating system. And i am sure Apple had allot more to do with the designing of the GUI as well. both company's worked on the same project. although it was Xerox idea, apple just assisted. Xerox was getting paid to develop it

[PistoltheGreat]

Xerox was trying to develop a GUI.  The development broke up and Xerox employees began to work with both Microsoft and Apple.

[Danny77uk]

....is long *ahem* dead *ahem*.

[Danny77uk]

Tell that to the fanbois like Xadreos. I'm amazing micro brains like that actually exist and have survived long enough to use a computer!

[gabcol]

we still have better stuff!!

[OrganMutilator]

"You don't get it Steve,... that doesn't matter!!!" LOL!

[z2produtions]

i love this movie and im spaming all hate comments about macs and pc's

[racerx135]

We should not fight, Remember the true enemy is IBM. I have all Mac hardware but I admit I Run Windows on My desktop and OSX on my laptop. Macs are better machines and the OS is better but windows still does allot of things Macs simply cannot do yet but that is changing fast. Once adobe comes out with non-hobbled version of Premeire Pro and ON-Location native to Mac I will be running all OSX for my work but still boot to a Vista64 Hard drive for Games. Anyway these are just tools. So enjoy..

[Danny77uk]

"Remember the true enemy is IBM"

You're kidding right? IBM hasn't been a major desktop PC player since the 80s and their software is some of the most awful ever produced.

[wiseguyz123]

Bill's a gangsta.

[aribenzane]

Check your history - Apple legally LICENSED the GUI from Xerox. Microsoft just ripped off the Mac OS. I hate this film because it's full of inaccuracies and half-truths and was made when Apple was in the doldrums and Microsoft were riding high. Now their positions are reversed.

[dlmaniac]

"Now their positions are reversed."

You mean Apple has 90% market share while M$ just 5% now? Your opinion isn't that accurate either.

[aribenzane]

I mean that no-one is claiming Apple is a dead horse anymore and pretty much everyone hates Microsoft. Apple is cool again. Market share is IRRELEVANT. With just it's 5% share, Apple's profit is 1/4 that of Microsoft. At 20%, they would be making more money than Redmond. MS may have 90% of the market, but they make far less per PC than Apple does.

[dlmaniac]

Apple's most secured profit source is iPod, not their OS. Get some basics straight b4 discussing these stats.

[aribenzane]

Actually they make more money from their Macs. Idiot. THAT's their MAIN and most secure profit source and has been since 1984. The iPod and the iPhone are sideshows next to that. Moron.

[dlmaniac]

IPod is where they have a monopoly, which is the safest income source, you fagtard clearly know fucking nothing about corporate profit.

[aribenzane]

You're a fucking idiot who knows fuck all about this or economics so fuck the hell off. I've been using macs since the 90s long before iPod. Monopoly does not directly equal profit. If the iPod were to disappear, Apple would still be safe and VERY profitable. It is NOT their 'safest' income. Fucking youtube kids I don't know why I keep responding to lame ass comments like yours...

[dlmaniac]

No one gives a shit about how long you have been using a homo-mac. iPod has the sales # of 20 millions in a quarter which produces the aura effect to sell Apple's other product. Apple's OS alone without strong gaming ability is a dead horse, you fucking imbecile.

[aribenzane]

LOL! 'Gaming ability'! No one gives a fuck about games. Macs are for creativity not wasting hours in mindless shooters.

[CLiDED]

Actually, studies show gaming directly relates to optimizing creativity in various life projects.

People who shun video games are generally closed-minded.

[aribenzane]

Mac (creativity) + VMWare + XP (games) = WIN

[CLiDED]

Agreed!

[soul416]

@aribenzane MACs by themselves = rip-off loser. The reality is this is the other way around. Jobs ripped off Gates, it's pretty obvious since Jobs was never creative, he ripped EVERYONE off.

[Xadreos]

You cannot create programs with a mac. That in itself brings sadness, because you cannot write programs, you can't build anti-hack software, you can't hack or counter-hack with a mac, you can't make games and it is very difficult to make websites with a mac. Microsoft dominates Mac, regardless of profit. Without microsoft you wouldn't have youtube, so stfu all you little dirtbags who openly insult PC's.

[Danny77uk]

I am lost for words at your ignorance.

[popster2233]

check ur history "aribenzana" apple never licensed the gui interface from xerox,,

and the only reason why apple is still around is because of MS getting them out of the whole, and now they are back on their feet they go and make stupid adverts always slagging off MS, apple doesnt even deserve to be in business because thy dont appreciate help from others.

[macnerd93]

your totally wrong, Apple paid for a demonstration at Xerox Parc in the form of Apple shares, they had no idea what they created & well gave it all to Apple. Its Microsoft what doesn't deserve to be in business, they've done nothing other than steal companies ideas, they've come up with not one original idea ever

[Crabs4Sale]

@macnerd93 Where's Apples gaming console again? Oh, wait...

[racl101]

'You don't get it Steve! That doesn't matter!'

Oh how the tables have turned. It sooo fucking matters now. Microsoft's products don't hold a candle to Apple's products now. Vista is gonna fucking tank in the medium run here when Microsoft tries to phase out Windows XP. It's gonna be very interesting.

[SincerelyJackie]

hey the guy that plays bill gates is hte guy from the dead zone and breakfast club.lol

[daninho18]

Is this true? whats the whole story?

[adanedhel728]

From what I understand, Steve Wozniak had kind of mixed reviews, saying mostly that there are a few small inaccuracies but the personalities are VERY accurate. This scene on its own can seem deceptive if you haven't seen the whole thing, though. In another part of the movie it shows how Steve Jobs had permission from Xerox to use their ideas. Bill Gates had no such permission from Jobs.

[adanedhel728]

I correct myself.  Gates did have permission, but Jobs wasn't smart enough to read the contract he signed. Gates "stealing" the GUI was really no different than Jobs "stealing" it, but legally speaking there was no stealing at all because it was all done under license.

[Danny77uk]

Not true. While, Scully did MS the keys to the castle, they also really did steal toolbox and QuickTime code. Apple took them to court in the late 80s but the case dragged on. Microsoft's investment in non-voting shares in '97 was in part the settlement for this and the other suites. Don't be fooled - MS really did steal code, not just an idea.

[Xadreos]

ya ya, go make a photo album or something while you lose words for "my" ignorance. Just keep in mind that PC's make up 90% of computer users, bub. But no, of course, it's "my" ignorance because I don't quite see a reason why people should pay more for something that does less.

[liam12360]

i second that

[lastvirginonearth]

This is left-wing bullshit. I doubt the events took place exactly the way it was shown here. This is hollywood's left-coast at it's worst. As the real people what happened. Slander!

[imprezaver4]

it's based on true story, moron.

[cualquieruser25]

STILL HAVING BETTER STUFF!!

[Aleks7923]

These cameras accepted a Kodak-branded integral instant film, similar to Polaroid's SX-70 film. Polaroid brought a patent-infringement lawsuit against Kodak, and eventually Kodak was forced to stop manufacture of both the camera and film.

[aaaredskin]

This is a really cool movie. It's interesting how Apple got its butt kicked by Microsoft in the 1990's, but now Apple has come back so incredibly strong with products like the I-Pod and their latest cell phone (the I-Phone?) Also, popularity with these products has helped sales of Mac personal computers. I own no Apple products, but I admire the company and Jobs' business tenacity. Most other businesses would have bit the dust a long time ago being faced with such competition from Bill Gates...

[Hunkola]

This scene is awesome.....that arrogant SOB Jobs finally realizes he will be Bill Gates' punk bitch for a long, long time. It warms my heart to see this....

[hubomba]

Steve Jobs officially got pwnt by Bill.

[debunker1905]

Amazing, how they (Steve and Bill) were "nobody's", and today became the richest men or one of them on earth

[mekdx]

microsoft sucks apple rules for ever

[Comeback209]

In what world? Apple is only good for making shitty independent movies and funny pictures.

[Danny77uk]

If they paid for stupidity, you would be a millionaire :)

[yupi353]

Yeeeee....that doesn't matter!!

[jaybird3k3]

what is the name of the show this clip was taken from

[TheAntiRebel]

Pirates of Silicon Valley, its a made for TV movie. Read the description next time.

[wilziac]

microsoft did it again with vista to os X

[sweetchorizo]

os x did it to bsd

[elfgod]

you are right and bsd did it to amiga workbench and all kinds of other os.

[jimmyphack]

i uhh dont have a clue what that was for.

[x900lbGorillax]

As a pc Technician Mac/PC it's all shit in my opinion. But I love this part of the movie Bill Gates is that little girly boy that will destroy your company lol.

[abdulnafie]

as far as v r concerned as consumers these guys are the leaders of two respectable innovative companies in d world.

[caseyjoe503]

steve jobs rulz!

[daftrok]

How? This was the turning point when Microsoft busted Apple in the face.

[rec0ded1]

lol bill ninja'd teh lootz

[angel2901]

steve jobs: isnt he played by a er actor?

[TheAntiRebel]

Yep, Noah Wyle or Dr. John Carter of ER fame.

[vuetube]

I wonder how true this actually is... Anthony really nails the part, regardless.

[lantzn]

Yes Microsoft did steal. Read this article at Macobserver.

The Back Page - Yes, Microsoft Did Steal Apple's Interface (Under License)

by Bryan Chaffin - July 8th, 2004

[vuetube]

Oh, I should have clarified: I meant how they ACTED to each other. THAT would be priceless video/film footage!

[umer911]

Steve: "Our stuff is better than yours"

Bill: "That doesn't matter" *shrugs*

[cforcalvin]

propoganda bs

[JHappel]

cant except the truth?

[cforcalvin]

are you dense? this is so obviously one-sided and exaggerated, it's laughable.

[daftrok]

How so? Both stole but Microsoft beat it to the punch.

[cforcalvin]

yeah that may be the story that's presented, but the way the film presents the material makes apple look like a poor unfortunate victim.

[chodaboy51500]

Actually I didn't read it that way at all. I say Jobs in this film as being pretty much blind to what was going on around him and lost it because of that.

[DMXell]

Yes they both stole, however, Apple innovated a lot and improved the concept and Microsoft stole off of that.

[Comeback209]

Microsoft made it better.

[DMXell]

Haha. Yes, a vulnerable OS that crashes a lot is better.

[mejsmith1]

Every OS sucks, IMO. Besides, its is easier to create a stable platform when fewer people bother to try and hack your OS and you have fewer hardware platforms to run your OS on. I'm not a fan of either OS, I only use Windows because I am a fan of computer gaming. People need to get past their fan boy obsessions with one OS or the other. Both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs seem like assholes to me.

[lacordofelina]

anyway you play your games with windows OS and you suck because you didnt create something for your satisfaction so get out here!! But watch out dont hack it otherwise you will be in jail for years!!! your IP is under GOOGLE DATABASE

[mejsmith1]

Are you on drugs or do you always sound like a rotten brain dead five year old who has been dropped unto their own head repeatedly? Then again, maybe you are an obsessed fanboy. A sad life to identify yourself with a commodity of some sorts. Remember fanboy, they are just machines and whichever suits your purposes best is the one you should go with. The same goes for OS software. Brand loyalty is for idiots. Don't be suckered by a brand name.

[chekem3x]

bill made again with WIN Vista the same that he made at 1984, just copied apple and mac.

[serilopr]

Bill Gates Sucks!

[homie0187]

I think you would have to be a real nerd to enjoy this movie.

[HaxorNP]

Pirates of Silicon Valley ... memories... 5 *

[pavelch]

LINUX will kill MS!!!

[twotrot]

Mac OS has more of a chance of killing MS than Linux does. But don't get me wrong, I'm all for Linux (got Ubuntu on my PC) but really, Linux is just too hard to use ATM.

[macosxlepord]

like vista copies mac os x 10.4

[itsmeafreak]

great!!!

[DUKDWNBCC]

whats the name of this movie?

thankz

[arimak]

"Pirates of Silicon Valley" is cool movie hehe (Apple, xerox, microsoft history) =P

[knightu2b]

Being Better is NOT the only thing that matters but Steve Jobs and Apple fans will never get it!. Microsoft for ever! :D

[n0sc0p35]

"Being Better is NOT the only thing that matters but Steve Jobs and Apple fans will never get it!. Microsoft for ever! :D"

Hmm, Is that why Apple's US marketshare doubled last quarter?

Anyhoo, I agree with you in a way. A product doesn't have to be any good to sell. M$ is an example of that. Their products are consistent levels of inferior but they sell anyway.

[killmaster]

apple "stole", microsoft "stole", then only people who rly made anything worth buying were the people who got cheated, and never got any recognition for there work. they are both evil.

[cjack74]

Evil? Stole? Ideas are ideas; it's how you put them in practice that counts.

[heavymetal2k6]

i realy love that movie

[rozMexicano13]

When Wyle bangs on key, NEC beeps as if to say "all your prototypes 'are' belong to us"

[joshstube]

lol

[12Zwolf]

The Asiatic played Steve Wozinak, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs off each other, to steal the work from all these inventors, as the Asiatic has no predecessor technology, no wind-mills, no water-wheels, no animal-powered technology, only a 'Great wall', and a 'burial mound'. The Asiatic has no predecessor mathmatics that enable the creativity of computers.

Valkyrie Sieg Mourne

[KathleenAeronniel]

Macs rule. But Jobs is a crazy mofo. Doesnt it suck that these guys are billionaires pretty much because they kept ripping each other off? XD

[TheAntiRebel]

Look on the smirk on Ballmer's face near the end... he's worth 3 billion now....

[giggins]

"You and I are both like guys who had this rich neighbor Xerox who left the door open all the time. And you go sneakin' in to steal a TV set." That is not entirely accurate as Steve Jobs was invited by PARC to view their technology in exchange for Apple shares.

[molson9211]

Yeah, but in the movie, Xerox didn't look too pleased since apple was going to take their inventions and call it their own...

[antwanp]

Corporate HQ in New York invited them, not the PARC Labs. At the time they didn't really care what PARC was doing. PARC was building a personal computer. Corporate in New York, at the time... heh, didn't believe that the PC for regular people would've been viable. This was shown in the movie pretty accurately.

[phantombantam]

They still have better stuff.

[jonaseriksson]

os vise, yes. and the ipod currently beats the zune. but they lose the frontrow vs. media center battle.

[itsmeafreak]

i think the media center is gay, i see i´ve learned something today ( ^^ ) - frontrow is awesome! - ms media center crashed on the live preview ( ^^ gg )