SHFFL

[techn0FTW]

I don''t understand, when do you do an aerial in the SHFFL? Do you attack right after the shorthop, or after the fast fall?

[MrStereotypicalAsian]

Everyday I'm SHFFLing

[DJtheForbidden]

I just got it when I reached 1315.9

[yojop]

can you shffl with a wiimote?

[MasterOfMist]

@yojop You can't play Melee with a Wimote, You need a gamecube controller, If you mean in brawl, There is no shffl, only shff. Im not sure if you can shff with a wiimote.

[LigatNerto]

Great video! My friends and I have just came back to melee from brawl about a month ago and it's the game of our life.

Very nice explanations!

(sorry, I'm from Argentina, so my english may not be good).

[CutMet]

@LigatNerto Good to know that I've helped you guys.

Your English is fine I wouldn't worry about it.

[Devourer09]

I can't short hop consistently. :(

[tdivv41]

funny in brawl its just a shff no l cancel

[CutMet]

@DaBoyKnowsAsStyle When you shine jump right after you shine. This lets you skip the normally long lag time after you shine.

[WingChroniam]

Actually I was curious if you can L-Cancel at the end of Falco/Fox's phantom dash thing.

[CutMet]

@WingChroniam You cannot cancel B moves only A moves so you cannot L-cancel that.

[pockeystick]

I would love to see you do the nairs per minute challenge

[CutMet]

@pockeystick I haven't played melee in a long time. So I have no idea how i'd do. And my tech skill has never been very good either. But if you give me a link to what that is I can try.

[holyshtwtf12]

Brawl<Melee

[pockeystick]

I have to hit R twice before I hit the ground just to make sure

[AznKasaKi]

My my, I've been trying to do this for so long.

Not only do I know what it's called, I've also learned some new things.

Thanks, bro!

[pockeystick]

I cant seem nair properly when I l-cancel. I guess Im not timing it right could someone explain how to nair l-cancel.

[CutMet]

@pockeystick Your question isn't very clear to me but I'll try to explain as best as I can. I'm going to guess that you're playing a character like Captain Falcon or someone who has a longer nair and so you land before the nair is fully complete. If that is the case just attack earlier.

[pockeystick]

@CutMet How do u l-cancel falcons nairs.

[CutMet]

@pockeystick The timing is just a bit difficult. You press R or L a bit before it looks like you'll hit the ground. Just keep practicing.  Nair is the hardest aerial to SHFFL for Captain Falcon for sure.

[slipperdude]

does it matter if you're holding a direction with ur thumbstick when you cancel? or should it be just a neutral L-cancel??

[CutMet]

@slipperdude Sorry I haven't checked my channel in a while. And no it does not matter which direction you're holding it when you l-cancel.

[2509Cam]

Silly question but when you execute your aerials, do you press X/Y then quickly tap A for Nair? Dont hate me but i played Brawl before Melee and found it easy to roll my thumb from X to A to SH Nair. Yet in Melee this does nothing. Is this because Melee doesn't register when two buttons are temporarily pressed at the same time? Thanks

[CutMet]

Yes that's what I do.

[rakaboveall]

cutmet do u fast fall n l cancle @ the same time????/

[CutMet]

I fast fall a bit before my l cancel.

[rakaboveall]

that makes it harder

[rakaboveall]

i was doin it wrong..

[UrGoinDownBud]

thx man this helps :) 5/5

[Aerros11]

Well Made o__o"!

[CutMet]

I press R.

[linkvsSheik]

how do you shine cancel? please respond!

[CutMet]

Like around 3:34?

You simply jump out of the shine.

Just practice the timing a bit.

[linkvsSheik]

Thanks dude and ya! Thanks for your help man!

[darkfunkychimp]

Clever.

Just one quick question: why bother? Just smack 'em like normal people...

[CutMet]

This is the fastest way to pull off an aerial attack.  Just play however you want to though.

[WNxLigerzx]

Question from a noob

I kinda have shffling down, but cant really use it in battle

If i have to move forward while shffl juggling someone, do i do a dash then shffl or do i just sh in the direction and then ffl?

[CutMet]

It depends on how far away they're hit.

Usually you'll have to dash then shffl though.

[WNxLigerzx]

when you say dash, do you mean a normal dash or does it have to be a dash where u crouch to stop faster (forgot what if was called)?

[CutMet]

It is a normal dash.

[laderer5]

very nice tutorial

[mookindook]

calln all ssbm roockies check dis out u dont have 2 cancel wit da R or L trigger u can also use da Z button it will help u cancel way easyer and help u wit your combos... if u time it right u will become way better specially if u have C.Falcon,Fox,Falco,Shiek, and all da otha fast characters trust me

[CutMet]

Alright then.

[asfaqqq]

this is the worst piece of shit ever made, and fuck anybody who disagrees with me

[hdv24]

Orgasm

[LordOfTehAsians]

Okay, I can shffl pretty well with Falco against dummys but when I actually play somebody it gets messy.

When I hit their shield or them with a dair, the lag messes up my fastfall thus no l-cancel either. xD Help would be nice. :D

[CutMet]

Alright I had this problem when I started too. The reason why you can do it fine against dummys is because you have trained your muscle memory to do a SHFFL with a certain timing. So you Fastfall and L-cancel based on when you began the short hop. So if you hit a shield the fastfall would need to be done a little later.

[CutMet]

So instead of doing a SHFFL based on muscle memory you should pay attention to your character onscreen and Fastfall and L-cancel when appropriate. This will also help you Fastfall and L-cancel during odd moments like when you jump off a platform.

This explanation came out sounding kind of weird so if you want me to explain again just post a comment or send me a message.

[LordOfTehAsians]

Yeah, thanks. I'm just trying what you said on level 1 cpu's instead of dummys until my friend comes over. It's working so far. Thanks again.

[EL0tech]

will do :D thx for help

[EL0tech]

do u just have to press the R/L button one time to L cancel? or is it clever to press 2-3 times?:P

[Sarrgas]

You usually just press once, since you don't really have that much time to press the button at the correct timing, so you won't have time to press more than once :P

[CutMet]

Sarrgas is right you'll probably want to learn to just press it once. I tried to L-cancel by hitting R twice though and it worked but it would be easier to just press the button once.

[Zekk17]

Well, I use Marth and I can't really SHFFL with him. I can usually SHFFL bairs, uairs and dairs. However, I can SHFFL nairs and fairs consistently. In order to SHFFL, does the process go as follows?

1. Short hop.

2. Aerial attack

3. Fastfall

4. L-Cancel

I try to do that, but the shield either comes out after I land (meaning that I hold it for too long) or I don't cancel the lag from landing. Should I press fastfall about at the same time as L/R so that I don't do it too late? Thanks so much!

[CutMet]

Yes you have the process right, it is possible to Fastfall before doing an aerial attack to change the timing of your attack. So it can also go,

1.Short Hop

2.Fastfall

3.Aerial Attack

4.L-cancel

Your order works perfectly fine though. Pressing L/R when you fastfall will make the L-cancel work if you're playing as Marth. As floatier characters though you'll have to wait a bit before pressing L/R.

[Zekk17]

Whoops. Um, I meant I CANNOT CHFFL nairs and fairs consistently. Do you have any tips for that? (it doesn't seem to work when I do the order I showed below...maybe it'll work with the alternative method you posted) Thanks!

=^,w,^=

[CutMet]

Which part of the SHFFL are you having trouble with?

[Zekk17]

I'm having some trouble with mostly the L-Cancelling part. Otherwise I'm okay with most of the SHFFL (I can't get Marth to get up quickly all of the time).

[CutMet]

I completely forgot to reply to this, but the only solution to your problem is to practice.

[Zekk17]

Okay! Thanks!

=^,w,^=

By the way, (just out of curiosity) do you like brawl or melée better? Personally, I think melee is actually way better since you actually can truly combo and stuff (*cough* no infinite air-dodging, almost zero flinch time, etc.). Brawl is (in my opinion) kinda just leaching off of the fame of the SSB(M) series. Well, I just wanted to ask you. :P

[CutMet]

I personally prefer Melee. The faster and more aggressive gameplay appeals to me. I think Brawl is okay though.

[ImpactFrame]

Dammit. I meant 5/5. Sorry!

[theuppercut]

this was incredibly helpful. Have my babies?

[poepmongool]

great video.. couldn't be more clear!

Major thanks ;)

[okness123]

great stuff!!

nice song too

[Subzeromcb]

song?

[CutMet]

Bungee by East Clubbers.

[PandoraCanBe]

I've got a problem. I can shffl consecutively pretty well with Fairs, Nairs (and i haven't really tried Bairs or Uairs). My problem is when you do a Dair, to do the move you have to press down, but then to fast fall afterwards you have to release the control stick and press down again. And thats frickin hard.

I can do like 2 in a row, but its a bit complicated to shffl. Are you supposed to use the C-stick or what?

[CutMet]

You can use the technique you are using now or you can use the C-stick I personally use the C-stick though it's easier for me, watch the video response to this video which shows me actually holding a controller and doing SHFFl's.

[some78945]

I dont use them. I use Mario. So thanks ill be SHFFLing soon. And awsome vid it helped alot. The only problem is i forget to fastfall

[CutMet]

Good luck with your SHFFLs. I learned how to Short hop and L-cancel first then simply added in the fastfall later, so it's fine if you forget the fastfall at the beginning.

[some78945]

Did it work. If it did the SHFFL would be so easy to do

[CutMet]

It did work, the only problem I can see with it is that for Link, Y. Link, and Samus, you shoot a grapple so you can't attack with Z for them.

[some78945]

WAIT if u press z and attack the press Z again will it L cancel.

[CutMet]

It should but I'm not sure. If I have time I'll go test it out later.

[uiriamusan]

I have such trouble with SHFFLs. I cannot seem to short hop, fast fall AND L-Cancel in the same one. I'm a Fox player, and his short hop, really is short, so I don't see how I can get a fast fall and L-Cancel, let alone an attack in there either.

[CutMet]

SHFFLs usually take a while so don't worry if you aren't getting them right away.

I jump with X so I have my finger on X then quickly slide it over to A. Adding the Fast Fall and L-cancel in should be easy if you use different fingers. I press X and A with my thumb, I press R with my pointer finger, and I use my left thumb for the fast fall. You simply have to coordinate your fingers with the timing.

[uiriamusan]

Hm. I was practising last night and I think I'm kind of getting the hang of it. I still can't short hop completely, but I seem to be fast falling and L-Cancelling fine with low-ish jumps. I don't always know if I L-Cancel though. And I sometimes do Fox's spinny kick which is the jump and left attack one, the annoying one. Do you sometimes do that by accident?

[CutMet]

Fox has one of the hardest short hops in the game so it will take a while to get used to it. If you can shine (down-b) almost right after you SHFFL then you know you got the L-cancel in. I used to accidentally do attacks I didn't want to do but over time I got used to SHFFLing so now that doesn't happen.

[zhul4nder]

i would be ideal if you were to post these kinds of videos to record how your hand moves while doing this stuff

[CutMet]

I'll try to do that if I can find a video camera that works.

[zhul4nder]

when i try to do this...i use the analog stick to short hop...is that bad? how do you move your thumb from the x/y button all the way down to the c stick?

[CutMet]

I use the X to jump and C-Stick my Dair and Uair's. I don't think it's a problem to use the control stick to jump, whatever works for you go ahead and use that. I think the video will be up a few days from now if all goes well.

[Drizzt335]

Nice video =)

[Sarrgas]

Just to make things clear, or atleast how I've understood it. L-canceling is short for Landing-Canceling, and not that you cancel with the L-button. Which means that it doesn't matter if you use L or R.

[CutMet]

I actually think it stands for Lag-canceling but I'm not sure. And you can use either the L or R button it doesn't matter.

[Sarrgas]

Ye, Lag-canceling actually sounds more reasonable. But atleast the abbreviation doesn't refer to using the L-button.

[LionHeartGriever21]

You can also use Z button to L-Cancel.

[chozophazon]

best vid yet good work!

[zhad0wf0x]

another question lol... when doing shffl combos, you use A or c-stick?

btw nice tutorial, best one out there

[CutMet]

You can attack with either the A button or the C-Stick, they both do the same thing. Thanks for the compliment.

[zhad0wf0x]

kk thnx

[zhad0wf0x]

r-cancel and l-cancel is the same rite? or are ther some difference?

[CutMet]

Both R and L do the same thing when you're L-Canceling.

[Drop0fColor]

best tut vid ever :]

[obicuan]

woot gunna go practice now!!

5 stars!

[Dominixis]

You can also L-Cancel with the Z button!

[fruitman456]

Thanks, very informative.

[chainmaillekid]

Nice, Very well done.

Ill deffinitly be linking people up to this Vid when Im asked about the SHFFL ;)

[Ckamden]

shffling is a must in competitive play.

[tokey11]

tanks man for makin da vid

[bladesofgreed]

Wow never knew stuff like this was in ssbm. Im going to have to start playing it again.

[fissionfreak]

Great video, it's one of the few melee tutorial videos that actually explains how to perform the moves. Nice work.

[johnt3hbaptist]

quite good!

[firefalco7]

Nice video!

[mojurico]

Awesome

[Jujumasta]

Excellent work!