@missash70 We were told that HL physics is impossible without HL maths :P But luckily we didn't have enough people for HL physics. I would've been in trouble with HL math (which I was forced to drop) and HL physics. But I think the IB's great and the workload isn't that bad really
Gonna have to agree with you about it being hell, I cannot wait to be done. On the other hand (there are different fingers =O) I went to Georgetown for a class my Sophomore year. It is kind of awesome there but it is a small campus. I am going to have to agree with Slow, you are cute. :)
IB was hell for me, but it also depends on the type of student you are and how much out of school activities you do to determine if its worth it. Most people can balance school, social and sports; however, once you balance those you need time to sleep. I'm glad I dropped out and joined AP classes. Now I'm getting more than 8 hours of sleep a week and can play sports and socialize without my hair falling out. It just depends on who you are, so if you're a slacker this program may not be for you
IB is umm good in some ways?.. I like the physics and math (strangely) and they're the ones who get my mark up.. but the thing that makes me want to fucking shoot a fucking bullet through my head is fucking TOK.
Wow, IB must be REALLY hard. Right now I am a dual enrolled AP junior, and it is awwwwwwwwesome. HAHA NOT!!! I have two classes that are not college level or AP, pre-calc and spanish 3. My comp I teacher completely hates me, for no good reason.
Ibs not as bad as it looks. I did all the work, had time for sports and maintained a social life, though you do have put in a bit of effort. I recently got predicted top marks in all my subjects as well. Dont believe everything you hear.
In my school in USA we have 4 years of IB. PRE IB and the actual IB. Biggest garbage I've ever had to go through. I'm in 11th now and I'm thinking about quitting. They value work over education. For example, in English we have to read over Native American stories, analyze them, (all homework by the way) and THEN take notes in school? Honestly?
i am doing IB.. and i think its so much better than alevels.. even though i havent done a levels but everything about a levels are narrowed down... i enjoy IB even though i find it very hard to keep up and i think i will start revising now!
If anyone is an American considering the IB program, I strongly discourage it. Most American universities have very little understanding of it (some have never even heard of it), and therefore it's hard to earn credit. AP scores are much more widely accepted, and you get much more credit off of that program than IB. Besides, I wish I had never had to write a stupid Chem IA (I did HL, plus HL Bio).
@luhario Ib isn't for everyone in the meetings for 8th graders going in tho the program they stressed that so for some (nope scratch that) most people its not the "best" education. it just looks better on a resume
It's a bit late to comment here as you uploaded it in 2009 but i just have a few comments. Personally, i think the I.B is only strong if the student makes it that way. It's not difficult to pass the system with a good grade and not have learnt anything..i've seen this happen alot...I don't think A-levels are more rigorous than IB but i don't know for sure as i've never been in an A level course i've only heard. Out of the universities you listed, i say georgetown. where did you go in the end?
i ended up at Northwestern actually, Manchester University (actually all the unis in england i got into) wanted me to pay the international fees- despite the fact that my entire family and I are british. Looking back I think it was the school I graduated from and probably the teachers and the attitudes of other students that made it a shit experience... but I did pretty well and I learned enough I suppose :P still think american system would have been better though!
I did the IB and I got 41 points. It's only hard going if you're not good enough to handle the pressures. So - I agree if you're not a straight A-A* student it's not the best course and A-levels may be better. But for me, doing the IB was one of teh best decisions I ever made. I got into Cambridge, by the way...
@guycaradogmorgan it also depends on what classes you take - that was always a mind fuck, how some people could take art, history, english, math studies, & acting or computer classes & environmental systems & get 40 points & get into the same uni to study the same stuff when a person who took physics, math hl, econ, hl english, chem, etc... didnt score as well.. due to the obvious crazy work load - & then didnt get into that same uni... congrats on cambridge -
@caitlinroberta what courses overlap art, history, english, math studies, & acting with physics, math hl, econ, hl english, chem? some really liberal college? lol
@guycaradogmorgan hey I agree with you but it depends on your attitude. I just started the IB with Maths phy chem HL and eng history and french SL and so far so good. I also want to hopefully go to cambridge for medicine. What did you go in for?
Are you doing the IB???? I understand her its a lot of work and its impossible to cope with it all, if you ask IBers the majority of them would say that it is pointless and would never have chosen it if ther knew how hard it would be!!!
@gabsisthebest1 Yes, I am doing the IB and I think its a much better qualification which makes you a whole lot more prepared for University. Maybe if this girl stopped moaning and did some work, she wouldn't see it as pointless.
i finished IB almost 3 years ago... the workload depends entirely on what classes you take and if you are dedicated to basically teaching yourself the material (or at least that's how it was at my school), i found the workload actually wasnt that bad, it was just an odd mix of classes/material that needed to be completed in large amounts at one time.. and oxford was wishful thinking for many reasons but thanks for pointing that out :)
weeelll ... ib for me was free sooo , HAHAH , it's all good . it's not so hard yet except for SL chemistry , MY GOD , but i think that's because our teacher sucks . i like i.b. . it's a lot of hard work but i think it'll come in handy . since it was free for my school, i took the chance .
i'd like to help upi pick a university bbuuttt ... i'm not too sure either . LOL . sorry !
@shimauma42- Oh wow, IB and it's communist agenda? What is your problem and hate towards a college preparatory program? Government mush heads is what IB students are turning into? No, what you sound like is upset parent whose child wasn't accepted in the program. See, it's not nice to assume stupid, irrational, and unsupported claims. Climb off your high horse with your "I pay taxes, and I have the right to dismantle a program" b.s, because you and every other American citizen does too.
I suppose the Program varies from state-to-state and country-to-country.
However, from where I'm from, IB is probably the best thing that our school offers.
The traditional High school diploma for our state focuses on P.E and Vocational courses. That's not going to help any of us who want to get into a university. I believe the program has given me everything I need to get accepted to my first choice of university. I feel I'm more well rounded than my traditional diploma peers.
@dancinsweethart at least come up with a creative comment that has relevance to this video about what you like about IB or what you dont like about it or which university i should have attended (I go to northwestern now) and dont try to judge me as you have no idea how i got into specific universities
@caitlinroberta sheesh no need for namecalling i was just making a point/lame joke. we don't exactly do A levels in the States, so i'm just saying that taking IB exams allowed universities to accept your foreign credentials more easily etc. etc.
@caitlinroberta very nice! if i wulda seen this a year ago i would have suggested northwestern also :D
I am in my senior year of IB and am currently trying to decide what colleges to apply for. of course, northwestern is on that list, along with Columbia University, Stanford (wish me the best on that one) and of course, I have to apply to University of Rochester if all else fails. happy to hear you chose northwestern and hope you like it! :)
@dancinsweethart but since you're being a little bitch and saying that i apparently learned nothing - ill go ahead and tell you - i got into them because of my incredible extra curriculars and the fact that i went to a prestigious private school before being enrolled in the shit hole that was the IB curriculum in a school in Qatar (a bad combination) - yes IB did teach me nothing of importance - and its my video - i can talk and question what i want - nothing ironic about it
"i can tell u the high school diploma wont get u into any good European university."
This is not at all true. .....All European university were taking in students from all over the world LONG before IB existed and continue to do so today. ( I'm in the European education system so I can state this as a fact)
IB promotes its self as a program which involves books and extra curricular activities to educate the ''whole student'' ...but the reality is that IB students spend all their time writing or with their head in a book instead of being involved in school activities offered out side of class.
AP A level and High school programs get students where they want to go in life with out taking away sports, clubs and other school activities which are important part of your education and development also.
I agree with you about your opinion of IB . A level AP and High Schol diplomas are perfectly fine. IB was created for those students whose families travel to different schools in different countries alot and need a curriculum to follow where ever they go.
A levels are High School Diplomas are equally good and better in some instances than putting yourself in the IB program stress. IB remember is not only a curriculum it is a business which makes money through promoting its self for profit.
Amendment X of our Bill of Rights clarifies that all the rights in our Bill of Rights are inherent and inalienable (as also stated in the Declaration of Independence). IBO rejects article X or our bill of Rights, however, and by so doing rejects the entirety of our Bill of Rights. International Baccalaureate is un-American.
Conclusion: The foundational principles of the United States are summarized in the Declaration of Independence and are properly called the twelve pillars of freedom. In addition to what IBO promotes, it rejects all 12 of these Declaration principles.
They will be copyrighted by the UN, with acknowledgement to the IBO for its work, and disseminated to the governments of all member states for use in schools
The Global Teaching and Learning Project of the UN in New York accepted an IBO tender to produce two teaching booklets about UN global issues. The project has been undertaken by the International Baccalaureate Curriculum and Assessment Centre in Cardiff using experienced curriculum writers from around the world, principally in IB World Schools, and having UN input and approval of the 20 units completed.
The Earth Charter is housed in the Arc of Hope and is correctly identified by the World Pantheist Association as a Pantheistic document. Besides Pantheism, the Earth Charter advocates: The redistribution of wealth between nations and within nations, Same-sex marriage, Spiritual education [Art 14.d.] which means education in Pantheism, Military disarmament, Creation of an international agency to make the Earth Charter binding on all nations
3IBO also endorses the Earth Charter, a document that has not been ratified by the United States because it contains numerous provisions contrary to the nature and interests of the United States.
2 International Baccalaureate promotes world citizenship. The web site quoted just above says: The IB curriculum encourages students to think globally. Dr. Ian Hill, Deputy Director of IBO, has said that the goal of IBO is the promotion of world citizenship. Either United States citizenship or world citizenship must have priority in our education program. Which will it be? IB gives priority to world citizenship
why IB is ANTI US- 1 International Baccalaureate (IB) is an international system of education. It is run by a non-governmental organization called the International Baccalaureate Organization (IBO) headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland. It was organized in 1968 by European diplomats who wanted their children to have a common undergraduate program. In 1996, however, IBO formed a partnership with UNESCO in order to create what both UNESCO and IBO call an international education system.
@shimauma42 i don't know about other material, but i'm in the program right now, and i'm really enjoying it (despite the huge work load) i think AP and IB are both worthwhile programs, and experiencing different methods of learning is always good, especially when one is young and still has the opportunity to experiment.
i didn't think i'd like IB either, esp knowing the work load, but i really am loving it and learning a lot. you never know which method is best for each student 'til you try
Bravo on speaking out against this curriculum, caitlin. It's a rotten lie the ib folks spread and the fact that they make money off it is even more sickening. The material needs to be destroyed.
Thank you for your video. I'm sorry you didn't get into Oxford, I'm sure IBO made it sound like an IB Diploma would make you a shoo-in. All the best at whichever university you choose - I highly recommend campus tours if you haven't already done so.
hmm... well, to each their own, i suppose. AP covers a LOT of broad material, just trying to teach the kids the info; IB goes more in-depth with each subject and tries to teach the kids the process of learning, not just the info, so that they can learn by themselves once they leave the program... you get what i'm saying?
like i said earlier, to each their own. personally, i've taken both AP and IB courses, and i feel that IB is much more worthwhile, i feel like i'm learning more.
@KaikiTsuki49 with IB you're not learning ANYTHING! how can curriculum based on emotion and conjecture be any sort of learning tool at all??? the world has done just FINE without IB up until socialism became tre chic', the world will do fine without this money wasting panteistic dogma "programme" infiltrating our schools.
@shimauma42 well, the world did just FINE before the invention of sliced bread or the invention of computers and TV, but now look at it.
and with that sort of attitude, no wonder you're not learning anything. based on "emotion" and "conjecture"? if you're actually learning it correctly, "emotion" doesn't have a part in what IB does; IB is based on logic.
and EVERYTHING is based on "conjecture". all those "theories" and unbreakable "laws"? yeah, those were based off of "conjecture" first too.
@KaikiTsuki49 have you even READ the point of IB??? they're looking to turn you into "good little followers" UN robots, honey. Go to truthaboutibdotcom, you'll see what they've been hiding.
obviously we're basing our opinions on completely different sources. many of my friends have graduated from an IB high school (mine, to be exact), including my brother; they're all doing great in college, they all did great in high school, and they've all said that IB helped them a lot. so i'm going with what they say, rather than what some internet site (which might or might not be credible) says.
personally, i'm taking both AP and IB, so i'm getting all the benefits...
@KaikiTsuki49 of course, of course, my suggested website has a question of credibility while your, what, 18 years of life makes you an expert...in about 25/30 years sweety, you're either going to start noticing your world has gone to crap because of IB thought process, or you're going to be oblivous because they did such a good job indoctrinating you. Somehow I'm betting on the second option...
@shimauma42 can't even say that, actually, cuz i'm only 16. lol
but i suppose, based on that comment, that you are... about 45, 50-ish? wow. what are you watching these vids for?
and yes, your website does have a credibility issue; all internet sources do, even the ones that say they're quoted from an encyclopedia or a book. i'm basing my opinion on both my experiences and the knowledge of my college/high school grad friends.
seriously, i'm not going to argue this anymore - to each their own.
@KaikiTsuki49 retreat: the true course of someone who can't back up their argument. Go on little one, when you get some experience of real life under your belt we'll see how you turn out. I recall it was Churchill that said if you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain.
@shimauma42 ... wow. i was TRYING to stop this argument, but maybe i'm too "young" like you said, cuz that condescending tone of yours hella pisses me off. "can't back their argument"? how do you argue with someone who refuses to question their own view? it's perfectly logical that i'd trust my experiences more than i'd trust some random website from some random youtuber, and it's perfectly logical that you'd trust your own sources more than me. therefore, there's no point in further argument.
@KaikiTsuki49 my point is to get everyone here to see what kind of mindset IB is fostering. I'm not just trusting my experiences with raising kids in school, I'm trusting documented material of the IB program itself that I have bothered to read.
@KaikiTsuki49 I checked out this video as further proof that the IB programme is a waste of my kids' time and my tax dollars. When righteous people find out how IB is warping our children's thinking, how the program has no intellectual benefit, they will demand it's removal from schools.
@shimauma42 no one's going to demand its removal from schools for a while to come, i'm thinking. IB is a pretty well established program, especially internationally. and don't use youtube a proof, please; that's just a real waste of your time, especially with videos like these.
@KaikiTsuki49 actually the IB program has been dropped and refused by many schools here in the US because the curriculum is questionable and because it's a WASTE OF MONEY. Colleges here only give half credit for IB classes taken in highschool, if they give any credit at all, and many parents protest the anti-US doctrine of the IB teaching. You would know that if you bothered to check out the website I referred you to. but hey, you've lived a lifetime, you know best.
@shimauma42 people protest, and yet the US still has the largest number of IB schools in the world. internationally, many countries regard one IB course as rigorous as a few AP courses put together. US colleges that i've been studying all offer equivalent credits, and articles on the ones with uneven credit distribution have shown that most admissions officers recognize IB just as highly as AP.
IB isn't anti-US; it's balanced, instead of teaching students only the US side of things.
@KaikiTsuki49 The IB program only has 669 schools in the US and that is being scaled back as we speak because parents are finally realizing the tripe being taught by IB's anti-US system. Again all you have to do is go to truthaboutibdotcom and see the articles, current AND accurate about parents, students and teachers who have had enough of this socialist BS that is IB.
@shimauma42 your "accurate" website? according to the the official IBO site, there are over 1100 IB schools in the US, and the IB program is recognized in over 130 countries worldwide.
parental paranoia about IB turning the kids into little communist monsters or w/e isn't the "end all be all" fact about IB at all; in fact, it's largely irrelevant to the educational credentials of the program, which are substantial. there will always be opposition - doesn't mean the opposition is always right.
@KaikiTsuki49 when IB can't keep their own math scores straight per the Washington post article from Jay Mathews, you'd find the link if you bothered to look at truthaboutib, I have a real hard time believing their claims about how many schools they have. It's a known fact that IB inflates their numbers, using the schools they are applying in rather than posting the number of schools they are actually in.
@KaikiTsuki49 I found on IB's own website IBOdotorgslashsearchslashschool if you click diploma programs they actually only have 714 in the US since May 14 2010. Where ever you got your info is pretty inaccurate, I'd say, and thus complete BS.
@shimauma42 the IB program starts from elementary school years, goes through middle school, and into high school, it's not just the DP program. the DP program is only for the last two years of high school, and IB learning starts way before then; they have over 1100 schools TOTAL who have the IB program, including MYP and PYP.
and i haven't lived a lifetime - not even close, actually - and i don't think i know "best". i only know from my experiences which program works the best for me and many of the people i've discussed this with. but thanks for the vote of confidence.
I dont know what you mean with IB School (didn't see full video), because in mine you can select what courses you want to take ib not ib, or if you want to take full ib.
@Onarugami some schools are only IB like mine, as it would be too expensive to do more courses when the 6th form(last two years) have only 350 students. So u have to do IB or Btec
@ebba24 the only way someone who's been in IB to become a boss is sleeping their way to the top, because the anti-moral aspect of IB is bent on warping our kids into little hedons.
@shimauma42 resorting to personal insults to the students now, are we? trying to turn us into "anti-moral" "hedons"? now that hurts.
if we were hedonistic (which is the proper use of the term, btw), we wouldn't have joined IB. IB is in no way a pursuit of immediate pleasure - IB assessments are hard as hell and spare no mercy due to hedonistic values...
and what exactly about IB is anti-moral, since you know so much about a program i'm guessing you've never even experienced?
@KaikiTsuki49 And when IB's own methods of indoctrination mirror the pattern of cult groups(separating IB students from other classes, giving them the impression of superiority, offering students the solutions to all life's questions) I *don't* have a very hard time discerning their UNESCO-esque agenda, as a parent I want nothing to do with a program that wants to teach perversion to kids as young as 5.
@shimauma42 all program classes are listed separate from other classes. AP, GATE, etc. etc. it's inevitable that by the time students reach high school there is a separation between the more focused and the slackers, to be blunt.
@shimauma42 for example, my school is what most would say is a "ghetto" school, but it has one of the best IB programs in CA. would it make sense to educate the IB kids, who are focusing on their studies, with most other students, who are busy worrying about just surviving or who just don't care about school at all? that would just disrupt the education for the IB students, and add extra stress to the non-IB kids, most of which, knowing the kids at my school, don't care either way.
do you have something against international policies or something? cuz what i'm getting for you is that anything internationally-oriented is bad. UNESCO? IB? they're bad because they encourage international mindsets? makes no sense at all. maybe you're under the misconception that they whisper perverted praises of communism in our ears or that they're fostering terrorists mindsets or something.
they teach it to us because we CAN comprehend it. they give us the knowledge now so that we can use it later on in life.
you obviously haven't had much experience with actual IB students, most of whom are exceptionally responsible and mature (largely due to the requirements of the program, including community service, investigation of current events in the US and abroad, etc.) i'm not tooting my own horn here, i'm stating my observations of the seniors that i know personally.
@KaikiTsuki49 You won't read the websites I've suggested because you already *know everything*. You've already proven your lack of thought process, via your insistance on your *experience* as an authoritative comment on how good the program is. When you get gyp'd out of your credits by colleges, and when life in general doesn't play out your IB fantasy, we'll see then what those experiences account for.
i've read articles about IB, both good and bad. but because i've read both sides of the story, each saying completely different things about the SAME aspect of IB, i'm going with what i can personally verify. it's definitely better than not being able to verify anything personally and just trusting what you read online.
@KaikiTsuki49 my experience with IB students is listening to you spout this junk like a good little robot. You won't read the websites I've suggested because you already "know everything". You've already proven your lack of thought process, via your insistance on your "experience" as an authoritative comment on how good the program is.
@KaikiTsuki49 When you get gyp'd out of your credits by colleges, and when life in general doesn't play out your IB fantasy, we'll see then what those experiences account for
@shimauma42 did you just... completely disregard what i wrote and repeat the same exact thing you said already? and they're exaggerations, at that; all the IB students that i know got through to colleges just fine, without being "gyp'd" or having their "fantasy" shattered because of IB. if you can't think of any valid points for your case anymore, then i suppose this argument's over. nice chatting with ya.
@KaikiTsuki49 Again, you bring up the "experience" of those who haven't lived in the real world, sweety. I've read about IB from their own site and what they have planned for the gullable little *punkinheads* that fall for their UN dogma. If you're too scared to read the truth, don't try fooling your elders with bravado, nickers...makes you look silly.
those who haven't lived in the real world... i suppose college doesn't count as the real world to you? but i'm sure most of my teachers have graduated from college, and many of them did experience the IB program. i've actually talked to a few college alumni who went through the IB program too, and they haven't been disillusioned at all towards the program.
@KaikiTsuki49 Funny having talked to to all your IB sources there is still a wealth of videos and sites that say it's a bad program. I wonder why that is. Oh and college is *not* the real world, don't even try to justify that comment.
@shimauma42 no duh there will still be people who say it's a bad program. obviously not all people have the same sources that i do, and not all people will undergo the same experience that i do. that is precisely why there are always so many diverse opinions on every topic. your "logic", if i can call it such, has absolutely no order whatsoever.
@KaikiTsuki49 child, because you are, and have stated yourself you will not look at the sources I've provided as proof of IB's goal to make your brain mush, which you have demonstrated, makes your arguments illogical. I am a parent, a tax payer, an education committe member and well informed because I have looked at all sources, including IB's own website and I'm commenting on a youtube against IB. Hmmm, I wonder who seems to have a better argument?
@KaikiTsuki49 dufus, I'm merely imparting material from proven sources about why IB is a waste of time and taxpayer money. Can't get you to go to the websites, but I'm guessing you won't read what's right in your face either. Typical.
@shimauma42 over here evry1 who does the ib goes to a private school and has money, it does prepare u for uni even though its all a bunch of shit, which im guessing is the standpoint that the person who made this video is taking...
@chillercm well that's different than the US. If a private school chooses to waste money on this program and their customers were willing to pay for it, I wouldn't butt in, since I believe that private consumers can purchase whatever they like. But this is TAX money used in PUBLIC schools here in the US to indoctrinate my kid into socialist agenda. NOT ON MY DIME....!
@shimauma42 then send ur child to a different school...besides having an ib diploma WILL get u into better unis than a highschool diploma. so its ur choice...dont see how tax dollars can be spent on the ib, from what i kno only the exams cost money because they have to be graded my two examiners....
@chillercm You are not understanding(whether because you are too young or in another country, I'm not sure). In the US taxpayer money goes to public schools, ALL public schools are funded with TAX MONEY. I am sending my kid to a school that does not teach IB, BUT my money is still paying for it. As I disagree with IB, that needs to be stopped.
@shimauma42 i just finished the ib and live in a different country...the only thing which should be disagreed about with the ib is TOK, our teacher told us that its pretty much impossible to get even close to full marks in that course...thats the only thing really bad about the ib, as far as CAS hours goes, a lot of people fake them since theyr not properly moderated by the ib, to conclude, tax payers dont bitch about paying to schools that dont teach the ib, so u shouldnt...
@chillercm I disagree! I am part of a large network of parents that don't want IB taught in our public schools. We don't agree with the curriculum and we don't want our tax money going toward it. You seem to not understand that in the US, we get to choose and vote for where our money gets distributed and tens of thousands of us, right now are working to get IB taken out of our schools.
@shimauma42 I question a private business having curriculum in Public schools. I'm concerned about IB as its a business & those involved ( students of IB mainly ) are ''putting' down'' existing solid curricula as ''second class'' to IB curriculum. I find this disturbing. Many great minds of today are products of the High school Diploma program and AP programs. Students in those class's should not be made to feel inferior for choosing them, yet this seems to be the growing trend.
@Letzer03 Here in the US we are having a reawakening regarding the fragility of our freedom and when an outside source tries to use our tax money to support a globalization mindset of our children, we are right to be wary and defensive against it. check out truth about ib dot com for more info
@shimauma42 whats wrong with a globalized mindset? it only expands your horizons and thoughts on the world. i agree with tiffany, every American citizen pays taxes and all the IB program is trying to do is make this generation a bit smarter than what America is becoming now. most people need IB to make them think rather than stand at a corner getting in trouble doing the things that most teens do. better they study right?
@sonyaR15 as a tax payer and a conservative, I refuse to have my money used to "expand" other people's horizons. If I want my student's horizons expanded, I'll pay extra for a tutor. What you aren't getting is that the US doesn't need a "program" to get smarter, they only need kids to buckle down and use good common sense and parents that will enforce these principles. Using my tax money to teach people "how to think" when we are already designed to do so is a WASTE!!
@shimauma42 i understand what you mean. but think about it.. how many teenagers do u no that still are all about school? not many if you ask me.
If people are presented with the oportunity to help their kids excel and that kid wants to excel and be someone, this program is great because of the rigorous courses.
@sonyaR15 How many teenagers do I *know*? How about all the friends of my teens? how about all the teens of the parents that I know? I'm not sure how old you are, but in my time and experience I've come to find out the only thing my kids need to excel is strong moral training, not a tax money wasting twisted "programme" from the UN. My kids have learned to read and write simply because I said they had to, and they still excel in those subjects according to their teachers, without the program.
@shimauma42 well I get a highschool diploma and a ib diploma, and the highschool diploma has the same value as one in the US would have. i can tell u the highschool diploma wont get u into any good european university. same goes for america, with the ib you can get extra credit in US universities because its valued so much. i have a friend who actually was able to finish uni a whole year earlier, and another one who got offered to have to only do half the credits in princeton...
@chillercm I really don't give a crap what you guys do in europe unless you're getting US dollars. My point is, I don't AGREE with IB curriculum and I don't want it taught in the schools that I PAY FOR! You're not going to convince me otherwise, child, you haven't had enough of life to for me to take seriously.
@chillercm depends on the subject you choose and course you choose and shear LUCK ...AP can do the same for you in these universities....
A student ,cant remember his first name, his second name is Ng in Toronto Canada got offered places in all top universities in US WITHOUT the IB program. (You don't need IB to succeed.) People have been achieving just a well with their own countries school diplomas before this.
you've read from their site, but obviously you've read into the information whatever bias you already believe to be true. and if you're view is too tinted to perceive the truth, don't try using seniority and that ridiculous sugary sweet kid voice to deal with learned high schoolers, oldie... makes you look silly.
@KaikiTsuki49 "learned high schoolers"?? are you freaking kidding me? Yes dear, I'm sure you're very smart....(snork) don't forget to put your footie jammies in the laundry for your mother to do while you're out living in your "real world" LOL!
@shimauma42 we're not "all-knowing", obviously; but we're not completely ignorant either. so yes, we're "learned". i know that high school isn't considered "real world", but that doesn't mean high schoolers are ignorant little snots who don't know anything, as you obviously believe. don't know how your kids are going to grow up in an environment that emphasizes their inexperience rather than their ability to grow. your kids... are the main reason for your concern, yes? you stated that before.
@shimauma42 why don't you read what caitlinroberta said, and just agree to end this thing. obviously, we're not going to agree on anything at all, esp with you brushing aside everything i say as some kind of child's nonsense. IB works for me; it obviously doesn't for you. i'm succeeding in IB and learning a lot; you haven't or aren't or wouldn't if you entered it. i like it, you don't, and that's fine. just stop spamming the video. seriously, you posted... what, 10, 11 comments in a row? wow.
@shimauma42 what i consider "truth" and what you consider "truth" are obviously different, and, like i stated earlier, neither of us are going to change. so, there is no need to continue with your (dare i say "childish"? yes, i do) insults of my intelligence or my character, neither of which you have a clear grasp of.
i'm probably in for many surprises when i grow up; i doubt this will be one of them.
it was... enlightening, in a way, to hear your view of the program, so thanks for that.
@KaikiTsuki49 the reason I keep treating you like a child as you stamp your foot about truth is because you can't seem to grasp that TRUTH is not subjective, it just *IS*. The truth about the deviant aims of the UN designed IB program cannot be brushed away by your insistance on experience since the fact is you haven't even lived real life yet.
@shimauma42 truth can most definitely be subjective; if i state what i think - believing whole-heartedly that i am correct - then i am speaking the 'truth' from my point of view, and vice versa. more applicable for this situation, though, is this: IB has taught me a lot; so when i say IB is a good program, that's my 'truth'. when you, on the other hand, state that IB is a horrible program, that may be because for you, it didn't work out so great. that, for you, is also the truth. get it? kinda?
@shimauma42 in this case, though, because you insist on arguing over what you call "true facts"... once again, i HAVE read articles explaining the (ridiculous) view that IB is anti-US or communist or whatever, and i've ALSO read articles praising the IB programs comprehensive curriculum. therefore, BECAUSE I HAVE READ BOTH, i have decided to use my own experiences and those of the people i trust. IB has provided and will continue to provide useful experiences for me, and it has taught me a lot.
@shimauma42 i... get a funny feeling that i won't - be living off it, that is. and what are you, anarchist? working in government must be a horrible thing, i suppose. never mind that some politicians have been a few of the most famous people in our history, the people who've helped our country the most. maybe this is a naive view - i know many politicians are corrupt, and the people aren't satisfied - but hey, better to be optimistic than cynical about everything in the world.
i can... accept your view (though it doesn't sway mine), and i would like to stop arguing... it's getting to be a waste of time. so no matter what you say back this time (aka no matter how you insult me), i'm gonna let it be.
I'm doing IB in Australia.
I'm in year 12 so yeah my last year!
I do:
- HL Physics
- HL Biology
- HL English
- SL Maths
- Ab Nitio (SL) French
- Anticipated (SL) Psychology - Got a 6 in the Nov 2011 session.
Good luck to everyone doing IB! I really regret doing HL Physics... Biology and Physics is a stupid combination, do Chemistry!
missash70 1 week ago
@missash70 We were told that HL physics is impossible without HL maths :P But luckily we didn't have enough people for HL physics. I would've been in trouble with HL math (which I was forced to drop) and HL physics. But I think the IB's great and the workload isn't that bad really
Kikkarapaa 3 days ago
Gonna have to agree with you about it being hell, I cannot wait to be done. On the other hand (there are different fingers =O) I went to Georgetown for a class my Sophomore year. It is kind of awesome there but it is a small campus. I am going to have to agree with Slow, you are cute. :)
JalilDennis 2 weeks ago
IB was hell for me, but it also depends on the type of student you are and how much out of school activities you do to determine if its worth it. Most people can balance school, social and sports; however, once you balance those you need time to sleep. I'm glad I dropped out and joined AP classes. Now I'm getting more than 8 hours of sleep a week and can play sports and socialize without my hair falling out. It just depends on who you are, so if you're a slacker this program may not be for you
melmel7melmel 2 weeks ago
I find it funny how you think IB is a waste of time when you have offers from all those universities...
EmoKiKat 1 month ago
IB is a money sucking anaconda. In the U.S. it does no good at all. IT's all a scam.
arkenstone65 1 month ago
IB is umm good in some ways?.. I like the physics and math (strangely) and they're the ones who get my mark up.. but the thing that makes me want to fucking shoot a fucking bullet through my head is fucking TOK.
zeid677 1 month ago
Wow, IB must be REALLY hard. Right now I am a dual enrolled AP junior, and it is awwwwwwwwesome. HAHA NOT!!! I have two classes that are not college level or AP, pre-calc and spanish 3. My comp I teacher completely hates me, for no good reason.
TheIndians2013 2 months ago
HAHAHA, i was also telling myself, i shoulda taken AP
lawker777 4 months ago
IB is awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!
singingchinsorg 4 months ago
@singingchinsorg
1. you have been brainwashed
2. you have no social life
3. you actually ENJOY doing homework (freak)
4. NO
just a few explanations i have for your comment :p
solrpowredflashlight 3 months ago
Ibs not as bad as it looks. I did all the work, had time for sports and maintained a social life, though you do have put in a bit of effort. I recently got predicted top marks in all my subjects as well. Dont believe everything you hear.
leopoldleoleo 5 months ago
In my school in USA we have 4 years of IB. PRE IB and the actual IB. Biggest garbage I've ever had to go through. I'm in 11th now and I'm thinking about quitting. They value work over education. For example, in English we have to read over Native American stories, analyze them, (all homework by the way) and THEN take notes in school? Honestly?
Vorock16 5 months ago
anyone know thinks I should switch from IB to A levels? because I have that option open for about a month starting now.
lifelessperson1993 7 months ago
@lifelessperson1993 SWITCH NOW!!!! WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE CHANCE!!!!!!!
solrpowredflashlight 5 months ago
I'm probably doing IB next year... so I'll be saying goodbye to socializing nd fun. WHOOPY!!!!
JudgeMe24 7 months ago
i am doing IB.. and i think its so much better than alevels.. even though i havent done a levels but everything about a levels are narrowed down... i enjoy IB even though i find it very hard to keep up and i think i will start revising now!
Homaira143 7 months ago
If anyone is an American considering the IB program, I strongly discourage it. Most American universities have very little understanding of it (some have never even heard of it), and therefore it's hard to earn credit. AP scores are much more widely accepted, and you get much more credit off of that program than IB. Besides, I wish I had never had to write a stupid Chem IA (I did HL, plus HL Bio).
breakinginfinity0 7 months ago
Georgetown For sure
Nejitheultimate 8 months ago
Well I am currently a IB student and I STRONGLY disagree with they philosphy and I am considering to drop out.
In my opinion you should only go to an IB school of you really want to and agree with their learning proram.
Shaytaan92 9 months ago
GEORGETOWN!
EmirMkdB 9 months ago
I agree, IB is for ugly people that dont have a life
n00bs24 9 months ago
IB is probably the best educational system
lolitforlife 9 months ago
@luhario Ib isn't for everyone in the meetings for 8th graders going in tho the program they stressed that so for some (nope scratch that) most people its not the "best" education. it just looks better on a resume
TheBebe976100 9 months ago
It's a bit late to comment here as you uploaded it in 2009 but i just have a few comments. Personally, i think the I.B is only strong if the student makes it that way. It's not difficult to pass the system with a good grade and not have learnt anything..i've seen this happen alot...I don't think A-levels are more rigorous than IB but i don't know for sure as i've never been in an A level course i've only heard. Out of the universities you listed, i say georgetown. where did you go in the end?
TwentyTwelveee 9 months ago 2
@TwentyTwelveee
i ended up at Northwestern actually, Manchester University (actually all the unis in england i got into) wanted me to pay the international fees- despite the fact that my entire family and I are british. Looking back I think it was the school I graduated from and probably the teachers and the attitudes of other students that made it a shit experience... but I did pretty well and I learned enough I suppose :P still think american system would have been better though!
caitlinroberta 8 months ago
I did the IB and I got 41 points. It's only hard going if you're not good enough to handle the pressures. So - I agree if you're not a straight A-A* student it's not the best course and A-levels may be better. But for me, doing the IB was one of teh best decisions I ever made. I got into Cambridge, by the way...
guycaradogmorgan 9 months ago 9
@guycaradogmorgan it also depends on what classes you take - that was always a mind fuck, how some people could take art, history, english, math studies, & acting or computer classes & environmental systems & get 40 points & get into the same uni to study the same stuff when a person who took physics, math hl, econ, hl english, chem, etc... didnt score as well.. due to the obvious crazy work load - & then didnt get into that same uni... congrats on cambridge -
caitlinroberta 8 months ago
@caitlinroberta what courses overlap art, history, english, math studies, & acting with physics, math hl, econ, hl english, chem? some really liberal college? lol
Gurizin 5 months ago
@guycaradogmorgan how do you get the CAS hours done in time and the EE
lifelessperson1993 7 months ago
@guycaradogmorgan hey I agree with you but it depends on your attitude. I just started the IB with Maths phy chem HL and eng history and french SL and so far so good. I also want to hopefully go to cambridge for medicine. What did you go in for?
juvale27 5 months ago
Glasgow is the best uni come on
TCG11 9 months ago
The tests are way harder in IB than AP
Swedishpersondude 10 months ago
I disagree. IB is definitely worth it.
MagicklessSorceress 10 months ago
@MagicklessSorceress hey I disagree too. I ve learned so many things on IB and I would definately recommended to anyone! It's not a waste of time...
416merenda 9 months ago
ib is wayyy eaiser than ap lol
yellotheemcee 10 months ago
@yellotheemcee What...are you talking about? You aren't even IN IB. Don't talk.
MagicklessSorceress 10 months ago
@MagicklessSorceress yes i am... i took 4 aps last year and im doing diploma now ib way easier than ap
yellotheemcee 10 months ago
@yellotheemcee lol dude STFU. do the IB and we'll talk about it.
emmagrilly 10 months ago
@emmagrilly lol.... have you taken any ap courses?
yellotheemcee 10 months ago
@yellotheemcee hahaha yes i have.
emmagrilly 10 months ago
@emmagrilly which ones because i think its relative...
yellotheemcee 10 months ago
@yellotheemcee clac, stat, and physics B
emmagrilly 10 months ago
@emmagrilly and what ibs are you taking? cuz math hl is def harder than calc bc in everything but calc
yellotheemcee 10 months ago
ib is wayyy eaiser than ap lol
yellotheemcee 10 months ago
Are you doing the IB???? I understand her its a lot of work and its impossible to cope with it all, if you ask IBers the majority of them would say that it is pointless and would never have chosen it if ther knew how hard it would be!!!
gabsisthebest1 11 months ago
@gabsisthebest1 Yes, I am doing the IB and I think its a much better qualification which makes you a whole lot more prepared for University. Maybe if this girl stopped moaning and did some work, she wouldn't see it as pointless.
bdav99 11 months ago
I disagree with you completely. I don't think IB is a waste at all, and I'm in it.
LiveLaughLove849 11 months ago
please watch "IB kid vs regular teacher: epic war" it is really epic!
isateq 11 months ago
British Universities are over rated
American universities have a better quality of education in general.
Imperial i could go to for engineering but the education is shit
howidoits 1 year ago
@howidoits You're a retard :)
luhario 11 months ago
heyyy i wanna be frank with you... sorry you cant handle the workload. Thats probably why oxford was "wishful thinking"
someguy78504 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@someguy78504 At least more than one person can see the idiocy in this chick
luhario 11 months ago
@someguy78504
i finished IB almost 3 years ago... the workload depends entirely on what classes you take and if you are dedicated to basically teaching yourself the material (or at least that's how it was at my school), i found the workload actually wasnt that bad, it was just an odd mix of classes/material that needed to be completed in large amounts at one time.. and oxford was wishful thinking for many reasons but thanks for pointing that out :)
caitlinroberta 8 months ago
Hell yeah I agree with you girl! IB is a total waste of time
Nixonlover16 1 year ago
I'm in IB also, and the phrase "IB Therefore I BS" is the slogan on our class shirts =P
atuck69 1 year ago 2
weeelll ... ib for me was free sooo , HAHAH , it's all good . it's not so hard yet except for SL chemistry , MY GOD , but i think that's because our teacher sucks . i like i.b. . it's a lot of hard work but i think it'll come in handy . since it was free for my school, i took the chance .
i'd like to help upi pick a university bbuuttt ... i'm not too sure either . LOL . sorry !
good on ya for doing the i.b. though :)
o0P0Pcorn0o 1 year ago
IB is the worst!!!! I hate being in it, I'm trying to get out and do regular honors and AP classes. btw you're cute... ;) lol
slowgo93 1 year ago 8
@shimauma42- Oh wow, IB and it's communist agenda? What is your problem and hate towards a college preparatory program? Government mush heads is what IB students are turning into? No, what you sound like is upset parent whose child wasn't accepted in the program. See, it's not nice to assume stupid, irrational, and unsupported claims. Climb off your high horse with your "I pay taxes, and I have the right to dismantle a program" b.s, because you and every other American citizen does too.
KickinTiffany 1 year ago
I suppose the Program varies from state-to-state and country-to-country.
However, from where I'm from, IB is probably the best thing that our school offers.
The traditional High school diploma for our state focuses on P.E and Vocational courses. That's not going to help any of us who want to get into a university. I believe the program has given me everything I need to get accepted to my first choice of university. I feel I'm more well rounded than my traditional diploma peers.
KickinTiffany 1 year ago
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dancinsweethart 1 year ago
@dancinsweethart at least come up with a creative comment that has relevance to this video about what you like about IB or what you dont like about it or which university i should have attended (I go to northwestern now) and dont try to judge me as you have no idea how i got into specific universities
caitlinroberta 1 year ago
@caitlinroberta sheesh no need for namecalling i was just making a point/lame joke. we don't exactly do A levels in the States, so i'm just saying that taking IB exams allowed universities to accept your foreign credentials more easily etc. etc.
dancinsweethart 1 year ago
@caitlinroberta very nice! if i wulda seen this a year ago i would have suggested northwestern also :D
I am in my senior year of IB and am currently trying to decide what colleges to apply for. of course, northwestern is on that list, along with Columbia University, Stanford (wish me the best on that one) and of course, I have to apply to University of Rochester if all else fails. happy to hear you chose northwestern and hope you like it! :)
sonyaR15 1 year ago
@dancinsweethart but since you're being a little bitch and saying that i apparently learned nothing - ill go ahead and tell you - i got into them because of my incredible extra curriculars and the fact that i went to a prestigious private school before being enrolled in the shit hole that was the IB curriculum in a school in Qatar (a bad combination) - yes IB did teach me nothing of importance - and its my video - i can talk and question what i want - nothing ironic about it
caitlinroberta 1 year ago
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dancinsweethart 1 year ago
Chillercrm
"i can tell u the high school diploma wont get u into any good European university."
This is not at all true. .....All European university were taking in students from all over the world LONG before IB existed and continue to do so today. ( I'm in the European education system so I can state this as a fact)
Letzer03 1 year ago
IB promotes its self as a program which involves books and extra curricular activities to educate the ''whole student'' ...but the reality is that IB students spend all their time writing or with their head in a book instead of being involved in school activities offered out side of class.
AP A level and High school programs get students where they want to go in life with out taking away sports, clubs and other school activities which are important part of your education and development also.
Letzer03 1 year ago
I say to those on the fence don't bother with IB unless
1) you are going to move school and country during your High School Years.
2) You think you might enjoy the curriculum and work load it requires more then other programs.
Other wise High school diplomas, AP, A levels are perfectly fine and will get you on the road to success just as any program does.
Letzer03 1 year ago
I agree with you about your opinion of IB . A level AP and High Schol diplomas are perfectly fine. IB was created for those students whose families travel to different schools in different countries alot and need a curriculum to follow where ever they go.
A levels are High School Diplomas are equally good and better in some instances than putting yourself in the IB program stress. IB remember is not only a curriculum it is a business which makes money through promoting its self for profit.
Letzer03 1 year ago
I skip school to do homework too!!!! It's like, if you were cool before you got in IB, you automatically become a lame after the first year :-(
Azula1001 1 year ago
omg i skip schools to do IAs too!!!
clubHOTz 1 year ago
lol so true
just-uploaded-a--new-INTERNATIONAL--BACCALAUREATE--RAP--VIDEO!!! check it out!! It goes hard.
JabutiTV 1 year ago
this info can be found at edwatchdotorg search for IB
shimauma42 1 year ago
Amendment X of our Bill of Rights clarifies that all the rights in our Bill of Rights are inherent and inalienable (as also stated in the Declaration of Independence). IBO rejects article X or our bill of Rights, however, and by so doing rejects the entirety of our Bill of Rights. International Baccalaureate is un-American.
shimauma42 1 year ago
Conclusion: The foundational principles of the United States are summarized in the Declaration of Independence and are properly called the twelve pillars of freedom. In addition to what IBO promotes, it rejects all 12 of these Declaration principles.
shimauma42 1 year ago
They will be copyrighted by the UN, with acknowledgement to the IBO for its work, and disseminated to the governments of all member states for use in schools
shimauma42 1 year ago
The Global Teaching and Learning Project of the UN in New York accepted an IBO tender to produce two teaching booklets about UN global issues. The project has been undertaken by the International Baccalaureate Curriculum and Assessment Centre in Cardiff using experienced curriculum writers from around the world, principally in IB World Schools, and having UN input and approval of the 20 units completed.
shimauma42 1 year ago
The Earth Charter is housed in the Arc of Hope and is correctly identified by the World Pantheist Association as a Pantheistic document. Besides Pantheism, the Earth Charter advocates: The redistribution of wealth between nations and within nations, Same-sex marriage, Spiritual education [Art 14.d.] which means education in Pantheism, Military disarmament, Creation of an international agency to make the Earth Charter binding on all nations
shimauma42 1 year ago
3IBO also endorses the Earth Charter, a document that has not been ratified by the United States because it contains numerous provisions contrary to the nature and interests of the United States.
shimauma42 1 year ago
2 International Baccalaureate promotes world citizenship. The web site quoted just above says: The IB curriculum encourages students to think globally. Dr. Ian Hill, Deputy Director of IBO, has said that the goal of IBO is the promotion of world citizenship. Either United States citizenship or world citizenship must have priority in our education program. Which will it be? IB gives priority to world citizenship
shimauma42 1 year ago
why IB is ANTI US- 1 International Baccalaureate (IB) is an international system of education. It is run by a non-governmental organization called the International Baccalaureate Organization (IBO) headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland. It was organized in 1968 by European diplomats who wanted their children to have a common undergraduate program. In 1996, however, IBO formed a partnership with UNESCO in order to create what both UNESCO and IBO call an international education system.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 i don't know about other material, but i'm in the program right now, and i'm really enjoying it (despite the huge work load) i think AP and IB are both worthwhile programs, and experiencing different methods of learning is always good, especially when one is young and still has the opportunity to experiment.
i didn't think i'd like IB either, esp knowing the work load, but i really am loving it and learning a lot. you never know which method is best for each student 'til you try
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
Bravo on speaking out against this curriculum, caitlin. It's a rotten lie the ib folks spread and the fact that they make money off it is even more sickening. The material needs to be destroyed.
shimauma42 1 year ago
Thank you for your video. I'm sorry you didn't get into Oxford, I'm sure IBO made it sound like an IB Diploma would make you a shoo-in. All the best at whichever university you choose - I highly recommend campus tours if you haven't already done so.
ObserverNY 1 year ago 2
hmm... well, to each their own, i suppose. AP covers a LOT of broad material, just trying to teach the kids the info; IB goes more in-depth with each subject and tries to teach the kids the process of learning, not just the info, so that they can learn by themselves once they leave the program... you get what i'm saying?
like i said earlier, to each their own. personally, i've taken both AP and IB courses, and i feel that IB is much more worthwhile, i feel like i'm learning more.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 with IB you're not learning ANYTHING! how can curriculum based on emotion and conjecture be any sort of learning tool at all??? the world has done just FINE without IB up until socialism became tre chic', the world will do fine without this money wasting panteistic dogma "programme" infiltrating our schools.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 well, the world did just FINE before the invention of sliced bread or the invention of computers and TV, but now look at it.
and with that sort of attitude, no wonder you're not learning anything. based on "emotion" and "conjecture"? if you're actually learning it correctly, "emotion" doesn't have a part in what IB does; IB is based on logic.
and EVERYTHING is based on "conjecture". all those "theories" and unbreakable "laws"? yeah, those were based off of "conjecture" first too.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 have you even READ the point of IB??? they're looking to turn you into "good little followers" UN robots, honey. Go to truthaboutibdotcom, you'll see what they've been hiding.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42
obviously we're basing our opinions on completely different sources. many of my friends have graduated from an IB high school (mine, to be exact), including my brother; they're all doing great in college, they all did great in high school, and they've all said that IB helped them a lot. so i'm going with what they say, rather than what some internet site (which might or might not be credible) says.
personally, i'm taking both AP and IB, so i'm getting all the benefits...
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 of course, of course, my suggested website has a question of credibility while your, what, 18 years of life makes you an expert...in about 25/30 years sweety, you're either going to start noticing your world has gone to crap because of IB thought process, or you're going to be oblivous because they did such a good job indoctrinating you. Somehow I'm betting on the second option...
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 can't even say that, actually, cuz i'm only 16. lol
but i suppose, based on that comment, that you are... about 45, 50-ish? wow. what are you watching these vids for?
and yes, your website does have a credibility issue; all internet sources do, even the ones that say they're quoted from an encyclopedia or a book. i'm basing my opinion on both my experiences and the knowledge of my college/high school grad friends.
seriously, i'm not going to argue this anymore - to each their own.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 retreat: the true course of someone who can't back up their argument. Go on little one, when you get some experience of real life under your belt we'll see how you turn out. I recall it was Churchill that said if you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 ... wow. i was TRYING to stop this argument, but maybe i'm too "young" like you said, cuz that condescending tone of yours hella pisses me off. "can't back their argument"? how do you argue with someone who refuses to question their own view? it's perfectly logical that i'd trust my experiences more than i'd trust some random website from some random youtuber, and it's perfectly logical that you'd trust your own sources more than me. therefore, there's no point in further argument.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 my point is to get everyone here to see what kind of mindset IB is fostering. I'm not just trusting my experiences with raising kids in school, I'm trusting documented material of the IB program itself that I have bothered to read.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 I checked out this video as further proof that the IB programme is a waste of my kids' time and my tax dollars. When righteous people find out how IB is warping our children's thinking, how the program has no intellectual benefit, they will demand it's removal from schools.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 no one's going to demand its removal from schools for a while to come, i'm thinking. IB is a pretty well established program, especially internationally. and don't use youtube a proof, please; that's just a real waste of your time, especially with videos like these.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 actually the IB program has been dropped and refused by many schools here in the US because the curriculum is questionable and because it's a WASTE OF MONEY. Colleges here only give half credit for IB classes taken in highschool, if they give any credit at all, and many parents protest the anti-US doctrine of the IB teaching. You would know that if you bothered to check out the website I referred you to. but hey, you've lived a lifetime, you know best.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 people protest, and yet the US still has the largest number of IB schools in the world. internationally, many countries regard one IB course as rigorous as a few AP courses put together. US colleges that i've been studying all offer equivalent credits, and articles on the ones with uneven credit distribution have shown that most admissions officers recognize IB just as highly as AP.
IB isn't anti-US; it's balanced, instead of teaching students only the US side of things.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 The IB program only has 669 schools in the US and that is being scaled back as we speak because parents are finally realizing the tripe being taught by IB's anti-US system. Again all you have to do is go to truthaboutibdotcom and see the articles, current AND accurate about parents, students and teachers who have had enough of this socialist BS that is IB.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 your "accurate" website? according to the the official IBO site, there are over 1100 IB schools in the US, and the IB program is recognized in over 130 countries worldwide.
parental paranoia about IB turning the kids into little communist monsters or w/e isn't the "end all be all" fact about IB at all; in fact, it's largely irrelevant to the educational credentials of the program, which are substantial. there will always be opposition - doesn't mean the opposition is always right.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 when IB can't keep their own math scores straight per the Washington post article from Jay Mathews, you'd find the link if you bothered to look at truthaboutib, I have a real hard time believing their claims about how many schools they have. It's a known fact that IB inflates their numbers, using the schools they are applying in rather than posting the number of schools they are actually in.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 I found on IB's own website IBOdotorgslashsearchslashschool if you click diploma programs they actually only have 714 in the US since May 14 2010. Where ever you got your info is pretty inaccurate, I'd say, and thus complete BS.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 the IB program starts from elementary school years, goes through middle school, and into high school, it's not just the DP program. the DP program is only for the last two years of high school, and IB learning starts way before then; they have over 1100 schools TOTAL who have the IB program, including MYP and PYP.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@shimauma42
and i haven't lived a lifetime - not even close, actually - and i don't think i know "best". i only know from my experiences which program works the best for me and many of the people i've discussed this with. but thanks for the vote of confidence.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
I dont know what you mean with IB School (didn't see full video), because in mine you can select what courses you want to take ib not ib, or if you want to take full ib.
Onarugami 2 years ago
@Onarugami some schools are only IB like mine, as it would be too expensive to do more courses when the 6th form(last two years) have only 350 students. So u have to do IB or Btec
pippylunalove 1 year ago
AMEN!!!
alexjunha 2 years ago
In the United States AP > IB, for learning and getting into college. The only advantage of IB is that the people themselves are smarter.
dictator4rent 2 years ago
yes IB is hard. But you learn.
when i wake up every day i am looking forward to go to school (IB)
that never happened when i was in high-school normal system.
MyNameIsRamen 2 years ago
ib is waay better than the A levels, you learn waay more and your grades can be recognised anywhere,
yeah its hard work but as the saying goes
"IB a nerd now, IB your boss later"
ebba24 2 years ago 13
@ebba24 the only way someone who's been in IB to become a boss is sleeping their way to the top, because the anti-moral aspect of IB is bent on warping our kids into little hedons.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 resorting to personal insults to the students now, are we? trying to turn us into "anti-moral" "hedons"? now that hurts.
if we were hedonistic (which is the proper use of the term, btw), we wouldn't have joined IB. IB is in no way a pursuit of immediate pleasure - IB assessments are hard as hell and spare no mercy due to hedonistic values...
and what exactly about IB is anti-moral, since you know so much about a program i'm guessing you've never even experienced?
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 And when IB's own methods of indoctrination mirror the pattern of cult groups(separating IB students from other classes, giving them the impression of superiority, offering students the solutions to all life's questions) I *don't* have a very hard time discerning their UNESCO-esque agenda, as a parent I want nothing to do with a program that wants to teach perversion to kids as young as 5.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 all program classes are listed separate from other classes. AP, GATE, etc. etc. it's inevitable that by the time students reach high school there is a separation between the more focused and the slackers, to be blunt.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@shimauma42 for example, my school is what most would say is a "ghetto" school, but it has one of the best IB programs in CA. would it make sense to educate the IB kids, who are focusing on their studies, with most other students, who are busy worrying about just surviving or who just don't care about school at all? that would just disrupt the education for the IB students, and add extra stress to the non-IB kids, most of which, knowing the kids at my school, don't care either way.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@shimauma42
do you have something against international policies or something? cuz what i'm getting for you is that anything internationally-oriented is bad. UNESCO? IB? they're bad because they encourage international mindsets? makes no sense at all. maybe you're under the misconception that they whisper perverted praises of communism in our ears or that they're fostering terrorists mindsets or something.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 and globalism politics to "punkinhead" snotty teens that don't have enough life under their belts to figure out which way is up yet.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42
they teach it to us because we CAN comprehend it. they give us the knowledge now so that we can use it later on in life.
you obviously haven't had much experience with actual IB students, most of whom are exceptionally responsible and mature (largely due to the requirements of the program, including community service, investigation of current events in the US and abroad, etc.) i'm not tooting my own horn here, i'm stating my observations of the seniors that i know personally.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 my experience with IB students is listening to you spout this junk like a good little robot.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42
great experience, really, that is. you know everything you need to know about ib kids now.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 You won't read the websites I've suggested because you already *know everything*. You've already proven your lack of thought process, via your insistance on your *experience* as an authoritative comment on how good the program is. When you get gyp'd out of your credits by colleges, and when life in general doesn't play out your IB fantasy, we'll see then what those experiences account for.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42
i've read articles about IB, both good and bad. but because i've read both sides of the story, each saying completely different things about the SAME aspect of IB, i'm going with what i can personally verify. it's definitely better than not being able to verify anything personally and just trusting what you read online.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 my experience with IB students is listening to you spout this junk like a good little robot. You won't read the websites I've suggested because you already "know everything". You've already proven your lack of thought process, via your insistance on your "experience" as an authoritative comment on how good the program is.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 When you get gyp'd out of your credits by colleges, and when life in general doesn't play out your IB fantasy, we'll see then what those experiences account for
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 did you just... completely disregard what i wrote and repeat the same exact thing you said already? and they're exaggerations, at that; all the IB students that i know got through to colleges just fine, without being "gyp'd" or having their "fantasy" shattered because of IB. if you can't think of any valid points for your case anymore, then i suppose this argument's over. nice chatting with ya.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 Again, you bring up the "experience" of those who haven't lived in the real world, sweety. I've read about IB from their own site and what they have planned for the gullable little *punkinheads* that fall for their UN dogma. If you're too scared to read the truth, don't try fooling your elders with bravado, nickers...makes you look silly.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42
those who haven't lived in the real world... i suppose college doesn't count as the real world to you? but i'm sure most of my teachers have graduated from college, and many of them did experience the IB program. i've actually talked to a few college alumni who went through the IB program too, and they haven't been disillusioned at all towards the program.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 Funny having talked to to all your IB sources there is still a wealth of videos and sites that say it's a bad program. I wonder why that is. Oh and college is *not* the real world, don't even try to justify that comment.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 no duh there will still be people who say it's a bad program. obviously not all people have the same sources that i do, and not all people will undergo the same experience that i do. that is precisely why there are always so many diverse opinions on every topic. your "logic", if i can call it such, has absolutely no order whatsoever.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 child, because you are, and have stated yourself you will not look at the sources I've provided as proof of IB's goal to make your brain mush, which you have demonstrated, makes your arguments illogical. I am a parent, a tax payer, an education committe member and well informed because I have looked at all sources, including IB's own website and I'm commenting on a youtube against IB. Hmmm, I wonder who seems to have a better argument?
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 WOW. spam the video much?
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 dufus, I'm merely imparting material from proven sources about why IB is a waste of time and taxpayer money. Can't get you to go to the websites, but I'm guessing you won't read what's right in your face either. Typical.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 over here evry1 who does the ib goes to a private school and has money, it does prepare u for uni even though its all a bunch of shit, which im guessing is the standpoint that the person who made this video is taking...
chillercm 1 year ago
@chillercm well that's different than the US. If a private school chooses to waste money on this program and their customers were willing to pay for it, I wouldn't butt in, since I believe that private consumers can purchase whatever they like. But this is TAX money used in PUBLIC schools here in the US to indoctrinate my kid into socialist agenda. NOT ON MY DIME....!
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 then send ur child to a different school...besides having an ib diploma WILL get u into better unis than a highschool diploma. so its ur choice...dont see how tax dollars can be spent on the ib, from what i kno only the exams cost money because they have to be graded my two examiners....
chillercm 1 year ago
@chillercm You are not understanding(whether because you are too young or in another country, I'm not sure). In the US taxpayer money goes to public schools, ALL public schools are funded with TAX MONEY. I am sending my kid to a school that does not teach IB, BUT my money is still paying for it. As I disagree with IB, that needs to be stopped.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 i just finished the ib and live in a different country...the only thing which should be disagreed about with the ib is TOK, our teacher told us that its pretty much impossible to get even close to full marks in that course...thats the only thing really bad about the ib, as far as CAS hours goes, a lot of people fake them since theyr not properly moderated by the ib, to conclude, tax payers dont bitch about paying to schools that dont teach the ib, so u shouldnt...
chillercm 1 year ago
@chillercm I disagree! I am part of a large network of parents that don't want IB taught in our public schools. We don't agree with the curriculum and we don't want our tax money going toward it. You seem to not understand that in the US, we get to choose and vote for where our money gets distributed and tens of thousands of us, right now are working to get IB taken out of our schools.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 I question a private business having curriculum in Public schools. I'm concerned about IB as its a business & those involved ( students of IB mainly ) are ''putting' down'' existing solid curricula as ''second class'' to IB curriculum. I find this disturbing. Many great minds of today are products of the High school Diploma program and AP programs. Students in those class's should not be made to feel inferior for choosing them, yet this seems to be the growing trend.
Letzer03 1 year ago
@Letzer03 I don't know or think about IB as a private business but more of an agenda cramming entity.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@Letzer03 Here in the US we are having a reawakening regarding the fragility of our freedom and when an outside source tries to use our tax money to support a globalization mindset of our children, we are right to be wary and defensive against it. check out truth about ib dot com for more info
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 whats wrong with a globalized mindset? it only expands your horizons and thoughts on the world. i agree with tiffany, every American citizen pays taxes and all the IB program is trying to do is make this generation a bit smarter than what America is becoming now. most people need IB to make them think rather than stand at a corner getting in trouble doing the things that most teens do. better they study right?
sonyaR15 1 year ago
@sonyaR15 as a tax payer and a conservative, I refuse to have my money used to "expand" other people's horizons. If I want my student's horizons expanded, I'll pay extra for a tutor. What you aren't getting is that the US doesn't need a "program" to get smarter, they only need kids to buckle down and use good common sense and parents that will enforce these principles. Using my tax money to teach people "how to think" when we are already designed to do so is a WASTE!!
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 i understand what you mean. but think about it.. how many teenagers do u no that still are all about school? not many if you ask me.
If people are presented with the oportunity to help their kids excel and that kid wants to excel and be someone, this program is great because of the rigorous courses.
sonyaR15 1 year ago
@sonyaR15 How many teenagers do I *know*? How about all the friends of my teens? how about all the teens of the parents that I know? I'm not sure how old you are, but in my time and experience I've come to find out the only thing my kids need to excel is strong moral training, not a tax money wasting twisted "programme" from the UN. My kids have learned to read and write simply because I said they had to, and they still excel in those subjects according to their teachers, without the program.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@chillercm so I can bitch about the curriculum if I want to. Its a WASTE of MONEY!!
shimauma42 1 year ago 2
@shimauma42 well I get a highschool diploma and a ib diploma, and the highschool diploma has the same value as one in the US would have. i can tell u the highschool diploma wont get u into any good european university. same goes for america, with the ib you can get extra credit in US universities because its valued so much. i have a friend who actually was able to finish uni a whole year earlier, and another one who got offered to have to only do half the credits in princeton...
chillercm 1 year ago
@chillercm I really don't give a crap what you guys do in europe unless you're getting US dollars. My point is, I don't AGREE with IB curriculum and I don't want it taught in the schools that I PAY FOR! You're not going to convince me otherwise, child, you haven't had enough of life to for me to take seriously.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@chillercm depends on the subject you choose and course you choose and shear LUCK ...AP can do the same for you in these universities....
A student ,cant remember his first name, his second name is Ng in Toronto Canada got offered places in all top universities in US WITHOUT the IB program. (You don't need IB to succeed.) People have been achieving just a well with their own countries school diplomas before this.
Letzer03 1 year ago
@shimauma42
you've read from their site, but obviously you've read into the information whatever bias you already believe to be true. and if you're view is too tinted to perceive the truth, don't try using seniority and that ridiculous sugary sweet kid voice to deal with learned high schoolers, oldie... makes you look silly.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 "learned high schoolers"?? are you freaking kidding me? Yes dear, I'm sure you're very smart....(snork) don't forget to put your footie jammies in the laundry for your mother to do while you're out living in your "real world" LOL!
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 we're not "all-knowing", obviously; but we're not completely ignorant either. so yes, we're "learned". i know that high school isn't considered "real world", but that doesn't mean high schoolers are ignorant little snots who don't know anything, as you obviously believe. don't know how your kids are going to grow up in an environment that emphasizes their inexperience rather than their ability to grow. your kids... are the main reason for your concern, yes? you stated that before.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 nice of you to admit you don't know everything. Based on that, go to bed sweety, the late hour is making your brain mush.
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 why don't you read what caitlinroberta said, and just agree to end this thing. obviously, we're not going to agree on anything at all, esp with you brushing aside everything i say as some kind of child's nonsense. IB works for me; it obviously doesn't for you. i'm succeeding in IB and learning a lot; you haven't or aren't or wouldn't if you entered it. i like it, you don't, and that's fine. just stop spamming the video. seriously, you posted... what, 10, 11 comments in a row? wow.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 which you refuse to read, because they're true and truth obviously bugs you. You are in for such a surprise when you grow up...
shimauma42 1 year ago
@shimauma42 what i consider "truth" and what you consider "truth" are obviously different, and, like i stated earlier, neither of us are going to change. so, there is no need to continue with your (dare i say "childish"? yes, i do) insults of my intelligence or my character, neither of which you have a clear grasp of.
i'm probably in for many surprises when i grow up; i doubt this will be one of them.
it was... enlightening, in a way, to hear your view of the program, so thanks for that.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 the reason I keep treating you like a child as you stamp your foot about truth is because you can't seem to grasp that TRUTH is not subjective, it just *IS*. The truth about the deviant aims of the UN designed IB program cannot be brushed away by your insistance on experience since the fact is you haven't even lived real life yet.
shimauma42 1 year ago 2
@shimauma42 truth can most definitely be subjective; if i state what i think - believing whole-heartedly that i am correct - then i am speaking the 'truth' from my point of view, and vice versa. more applicable for this situation, though, is this: IB has taught me a lot; so when i say IB is a good program, that's my 'truth'. when you, on the other hand, state that IB is a horrible program, that may be because for you, it didn't work out so great. that, for you, is also the truth. get it? kinda?
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@shimauma42 in this case, though, because you insist on arguing over what you call "true facts"... once again, i HAVE read articles explaining the (ridiculous) view that IB is anti-US or communist or whatever, and i've ALSO read articles praising the IB programs comprehensive curriculum. therefore, BECAUSE I HAVE READ BOTH, i have decided to use my own experiences and those of the people i trust. IB has provided and will continue to provide useful experiences for me, and it has taught me a lot.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@KaikiTsuki49 I got a funny feeling you'll be working in government...or living off it.
shimauma42 1 year ago 6
@shimauma42 i... get a funny feeling that i won't - be living off it, that is. and what are you, anarchist? working in government must be a horrible thing, i suppose. never mind that some politicians have been a few of the most famous people in our history, the people who've helped our country the most. maybe this is a naive view - i know many politicians are corrupt, and the people aren't satisfied - but hey, better to be optimistic than cynical about everything in the world.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago
@shimauma42 ... *sigh*
i can... accept your view (though it doesn't sway mine), and i would like to stop arguing... it's getting to be a waste of time. so no matter what you say back this time (aka no matter how you insult me), i'm gonna let it be.
KaikiTsuki49 1 year ago