Eldar - Moanin - Part 1

[rilasciando1]

What a monster

[frizzzzzzal]

word. he knows whats up. I'd like to hear him in 20 years once he has matured

[andrewwman18]

i don't see much point in all your arguing over who's version was better, since musical preference is subjective, so either watch the vid, or don't

[JaredCS]

You people are insane. You take a 20 yo developing jazz musician who has worked his balls off to hear and imitate various styles of playing immaculately, attempt to put his own original spin on things, play technically perfect, and you shit on him for it. Well guess what. In order to be "mature" and "swing" you NEED TO DO THIS FIRST. We do not need to be criticizing this kid. Jazz = 3% record sales. Go bitch about the 90% who could never come close to Eldar's conception and make all the money.

[Hania454]

@JaredCS Very well said.

[LukeGeee98]

I just had a great idea. Eldar+Kurt Rosenwinkel=Stain in pants

[TheDeltafunk]

@LukeGeee98

In both the front...and the back.

[suthnheet504]

Best part

8:03 - Burniss plays DJ and scratches his baseline. NEVER heard that before.

[huesofagia]

genial, aunque me quedo con bobby timmons

[cmac4lizife]

Sorry if I seem harsh everyone. Eldar really is an excellent technical guy, and he has some fancy patterns up his sleeve. In fact, probably about a billion of em because he sits and does this crap all day long. I'm not hating TRUST ME! I have plenty of technique myself. I just became really annoyed and baffled at the comments of this 3shiftgtr person. You can't say that Art, Oscar, and Chick are the things that this clown proposes. They are legends! And chick is still a living legend!

[3shiftgtr]

@cmac4lizife Not sarcastic at all. It was an actual quote from Monte Alexander regarding Eldar from Jazz Times Magazine. Look, let's face it; the kid has talent. Mature talent? Not yet. Amazing talent and tech skills that rival the greats? Yep. Fully realized? Nope. Will he be the writer that Chick is? Time will tell. Oscar was labeled a mechanical Tatum clone; Chick an immature noodler. Will he be regarded as one of the greats? Only time will tell...but he has what it takes to be "a great".

[egcomedy1]

But every musician, every Jazz musician, specially and specifically those who have been playing for a long period of time know that this is just the beginning for this kid.

I want anyone who's taking shots at this kid to mark the date. Check back in a few years.

>/.

[egcomedy1]

Lots of criticism. And complains.

I am new to the whole "Eldar" thing. I also "have been a musician for about 25 years" or so.

That being said, I have to agree with the fact that he sounds like he "got his scales from "Cool Jazz Sounds"... something or other. And with how "mechanical" it all sounds.

[3shiftgtr]

And for all the Eldar haters I quote Monte Alexander from this months jazz times: "He's playing on another level now. Like the man from another planet....whenever I hear him, I'm astounded...There's sophisticated, phenomenal technique... and creative talent. It's astounding to hear. "

And last time I checked, Monte was jazz nazi approved. So quit hating, give the kid some time, and recognize.....

[SuperPigFat]

I have this recording of Eldar playing this tune back when he was with a group of guys who were on the clifford brown fellowship. Listened to it every day for a year straight. Having some difficulty transcribing it if anyone wants to help out.

[valeo626]

eldar is the shit

[GuruSY]

You guys are asses tell him to "stop playing". He is young.  Maybe in 30 years he will develop a "feel", but I guarantee he will be able to play circles around you technique wise.

[djjiffiepop]

Can somebody please tell the young man at the piano to sto playing. I am a huuuuge fan of jazz... old stuff, new stuff, complicated stuff, simple stuff, bop, fusion, Bill Evans, Chick Corea, Christian McBride, Scofield, Lee Morgan, you name it... I simply cannot listen to this kid play. I can't stand it. There is virtually no dynamics, everything is a pounding non-stop flurry of notes, his phrasings and "ideas" sound almost sequenced together like from a recipe book of "cool jazz stuff" [cont.]

[djjiffiepop]

[cont.] and WORST OF ALL (as a musician myself of 30+ years) the bass and drums are relegated to backing track status, as noted by others. Sorry, that's not the jazz that I know...

[donphonica]

Finally, someone tells it like it is. Everyone who knows nothing about jazz worships this guy. Don't get me wrong, he's got the some of the most amazing physical chops I've ever seen from a pianist. But he's got no feel. No soul in this. No dynamic, no swing. Just good technique.

[glenhertaugh]

@donphonica

Are you serious? No swing? Listen to 6:45 to the end of his solo and tell me that's not swinging hard. I hate people who hate on technical ability just because they have none

[donphonica]

@glenhertaugh Calm your self. You're acting like I just insulted you. I'm a jazz pianist with a heavy classical background, so why would I "hate on" technical ability? If anything, I'm "hating on" the fact that nowadays, jazz players lose the point of the music, by concentrating SOLELY on technique.

Did I say that technique was bad? No. Just in this particular case, he's doing a bunch of showy shit to show how good his technique is, and in doing so, messed up the sparse groove that there was.

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

i think you need to relax and lay off eldar, just because you have been playing for 30 years doesn't mean you get to come in here and throw down your spam. What kind of musician are you telling a young player to stop playing?

[djjiffiepop]

I don't want him to stop playing, as in don't play piano at all, I just think he plays too much. He's like a virtuosic shredder, except he plays piano instead of guitar. I don't like most virtuosic guitar shredders either, for the same reason. Too many scales. Too many patterns. Too many notes just for the sake of it. A little melodic/rhythmic interplay with the bass and drums would be nice. Maybe stretch things out a bit: develop an idea rather than string a bunch of canned phrases together.

[3shiftgtr]

Yeah djjiffiepop, I hear ya....Art Tatum was shit....Oscar Peterson was shit too....And Corea's overplaying is just wasted notes......

Dude, c'mon. This kid is COMPLETELY devoted to music and his instrument and is getting better with each new venture. Have you heard his stuff lately? He is getting taught by the masters at this point and is getting deeper and deeper as a musician as he gets older.

[cmac4lizife]

@3shiftgtr

Pardon me if I may sir but you have got to be smoking the absolute most dangerous type of weed known to mankind! You just verbally demolished 3 of the ABSOLUTE GREATEST jazz pianists to EVER walk the face of the planet. All 3 of whom are the ones that he surely wishes he could be like. Art would STEP on him with his left hand and leave the room with everyone else, Oscar would SLAP him with his ridiculous swinging, and Chick would SMASH him with his harmonic and melodic creativity...

[3shiftgtr]

@cmac4lizife I was referring to the fact that folks with chops get nailed for having them. They get labeled as mechanical etc, just like this kid. Is Oscar, /Chick Art waaayy beyond this kid? You betcha....Eldar's got a long way to go. But the point is that he is getting there. He is a hard worker that wants it bad, and is doing what it takes, and has the core talent. Time will tell. He's missing maturity in his swing and some other stuff that Oscar, Chick and Art had to develop too.....

[TheFOLDFinder]

@3shiftgtr

Ok I can get with that! Sorry I came at you so strong. I didn't mean to be harsh but I was just like this is Art, Chick, and Oscar. lol... What exactly was the quote from Monte Alexander?... Sure if you listen to Oscar's playing of course its obvious that he was heavily influenced by Art. But he was cleaner than Art and his swing was more intense. Art was an amazing freak of nature that NOBODY can ever clone! Oscar also explored some more contemerary harmony that Art never displayed.

[TheFOLDFinder]

@3shiftgtr

To me its kinda ridiculous to call Oscar a mechanical Art clone because he clearly had his own identity. If I had the opportunity to be alive and in the presence of Art I'm pretty sure I would be influenced in the same way. (In fact in some ways I am) And I would LOVE to hear the Chick haters "immaturely noodle" the way he does. Not gonna happen. At the end of the day its just another opinion. Just like mine. However, I do agree with you that Eldar has the potential to become great.

[3shiftgtr]

@TheFOLDFinder Allgood! The Monte quote came from a "in the listening room" bit from the mag several months before I posted the original comment. So I was checking his stuff. Don't forget that the ultimate jazz nazi jerk, Nat Hentoff, called Chick's playing on Bitches era Miles as "immature noodling". The challenge of the quick thinking "machine-like" players, is to make their playing about waaay more than that. Chick, Art, Oscar & others did. Eldar, not yet. Seems to be pointed that way, tho

[cmac4lizife]

...(continuing)... Eldar has great technique but he is NOT a jazz great. NOT EVEN CLOSE! He has a LONG way to go! There is nothing original about what he plays. HE SOUNDS LIKE A FREAKING ROBOT. He is not swingin hard at all. He's too far ahead of the beat to be swingin hard. Any REAL swingin jazz musician who can actually play knows that. You must be some 6 year old kid that got excited about seeing fast fingers move. Well let me tell you, Art, Oscar, and Chick did it with MUCH more musicality.

[cmac4lizife]

@3shiftgtr

I was so disturbed by your comment that I didn't even stop to think that its possible that you may have been being sarcastic. If so then PLEASE forgive me but it really didn't look right to me. If you were serious then there you have it!

[kdesmond101]

@djjiffiepop lol, do you realize how ignorant you sound?

You say Eldar plays with "Too many notes"....hmm, thats exactly what Joseph II said about Mozart's symphonies. Everyone's entitled to an opinion though, even if its a jealous, envious one.

and btw, look him up now, hes just getting better and better

[djjiffiepop]

He may develop into a great jazz player, and I admit I've only hard a couple of his things, but what I have heard to me sounds like somebody with a lot of technical ability, but not entirely fitting *into* the musical context. It's more like there's the jazz stuff going on in the background, then on top of that him playing piano. Just my opinion.

[tucker111593]

wow hes 24.... im sure hes better than youll ever be.

[tucker111593]

wow hes 24.... im sure hes better than youll ever be.... o wait im sorry i didnt know that you have a record contract

[djjiffiepop]

Yes, let's make a list of everybody with a "record contract"... I'll start:

1.) Lady Gaga

2.) Eldar

3.) etc.

What's the value of a "recording contract", exactly? Does it make you a better musician, composer, artist?

[glenhertaugh]

@djjiffiepop

The song is Moanin! Mingus didn't want any dynamics! This song was meant to swing hard and be loud and fast the whole time, and Eldar delivered

[jaktron]

impresive , virtuosic, masterful yes.

could he swing harder, absolutely. A great shame that this amount of ability is marred by lack of dynamic sensibility, down home soulful funk and hard swinging, too much classical roots coming through.

[josetato]

I dont think its "too much classical roots" cuz If think a little its better for jazz musicians and pianists to have classical roots..I mean Keith Jarret was and play classical music (amazing btw!) and in jazz ..well..keith is a legend. and Chick Corea does the same (though he doesnt play classical anymore) ...soo u get my point? the problem with this guy is not classical..its that he Really dont "feel" the music..wich is weird because "moanin" is very easy to feel..its pure jazz

[cechmangoal]

yea he's great and all but he would have played the same way had the rhythm section not been there. it is the eldar show when he solos and that is selfish music. i don't dig it and most actual jazz musicians wouldn't. prodigy...yea sure...but i wouldn't buy his cds.

[elmancho]

Abslotely right. Jazz ain't about one instrument. The guy took 7:30 mn ! What a shame !

[theoriginalemma]

if you haven't heard his new music yet, you need to check it out. it reminds me of like chick corea but more standard form behind his tunes...!!!! it's really tight stuff.

and yeah of course this is just crazy too. hahaha crazy...

[busc]

Perfect....bass solo comes up and everyone in the audience starts talking immediately...ha ha. Bass players out there know what Im sayin.

Back to Eldar, the kid is simply amazing,incredile,genius,and all the other adjectives you can think of to describe a rare talent not seen very often.

[cubeking92]

@busc as a bass player, i COMPLETELY know what you're saying.

[ifiwereu]

Nature puts out one like this every now and then. We must appreciate prodigy's like this. Playing like this cannot be attained. It is nature's gift to someone to be hook up with neuromuscular connections that enables this kind of playing. A true gift. He just might surpass Art Tatum with time.

[ABisophter]

its just practise. start early

[JuneOnKeyz]

ths a bad dude....just bad... wowzer

[elimenohpee182]

3:00 IS SO HIP!!!

[Tybu2585]

he really gets me at 6:46

[tripp45]

i used to hate on eldar because I thought he didn't sound orignal but I admire that he can play any style with ease and amazing technique. Over the years I think he'll really find his sound and then he'll be timeless

[RitritriRatratra]

I want to bring something of him!!!!

[spiramus]

Excellent!!!

[justinrules]

I love the parlor jig at 1:35

[cgatesjames]

this is a better improvision than on his cd.

[puszyko1]

holy shit that's good

[misteredwino]

Ignoring all sad (and inaccurate) attempts to take something away from him, I think this artist is brilliant. This video is a study in rhythm, harmony, and phrasing; and besides that it's just great music. Peace.

[cbmuzik]

Man, why does so many people hate on this kid? That man has so much talent he can progress music anyway he wants! It's nice to hear someone play music in an unconventional way because all this copycat crap that artists do these days makes me sick! If I know the chords to a popular tune, why do I HAVE to play the song the way the listener wants ME to play it? I wish people shut up about the kid and let him play. I would LOVE to play like this kid!

[gruntmasta]

did you know that a couple weeks ago he preformed at livermore

[jazzdog2]

no....

[demochottomatte]

Ｉsaw him in NY！

[KW911]

"I like his shoes"

[darthslobo]

Fantastic fingers, he attracts great talent to play with, and he projects a great presence. How can you not love Eldar?

[darthslobo]

Watching it again, I am left to wonder how Eldar's Bass player can look so cool while a musical miracle is being pounded out right next to him? I can't imagine ever getting used to hearing that all the time; perhaps, I cannot imagine being that cool...

[DiegojamX]

É um dos melhores pianistas de Jazz do mundo, se não o melhor !!

Future best pianist of Jazz of world

[bortnikere]

i just saw him at BLue note in New York. very impressive. the only thing that annoys me about him is that his original compositions all sound the same. and he always goes into the modal stuff for his songs.

[tomorronow]

what!? i find a few of his songs to sound the same... but isn't that true for many composers? it's his style. you need to listen at the albums Handprints and Re-Imagination if you want to hear a diverse range of Eldar's writing

[Ivorykidd]

unsa? taka kara diha!! chuva..

[Zabrith]

yeah. what he said. GO WILL!

[boyTerry]

I couldn't agree with you more bortnikere...There is nothing worse than transforming an old standard into a modal jazz song...It's too very "out of the blue" and he always does cascading penatonics and and plays modal jazz..Yes it's really bad...The boy is a phenomenon though..I gotta give him that but he needs to sit back, relax and play creatively and maturely as opposed to spamming pentatonics and fourth chords and patterns ;)

[Indensity]

I could name a couple things that are worst...but listen those jazz standards were different back then to the cats who werent improving over top chord progressions. bottom line let him express himself through this beautiful thing we call music.

[huayen]

Well, C'mon now, this song lends itself to that kind of pentatonic use. The bulk of the tune is basically a vamp in Fm, with a bluesy feel, and the head is straight out of the blues scale, which is just a slightly altered pentatonic. The next obvious step to an improviser who has any experience with modern is to play with which pentatonics one uses rather than just stay in the Fm pentatonic.

[annairishow]

you just wish you could play that good

[boyTerry]

Yes actually I wish I had his skills but I don't wish to use to skills to destroy the integrity of the music....if jazz is old time...solo and stay within the chord changes..if its modern jazz go crazy with modes and pattern

[lilkrissy123]

jazz is all about progression and looking ahead, whether the chart was written 40 years ago or yesterday you make it your own or your not doin it right

[BlackHammondB3]

Would you say that if we were talking about Art Tatum reharming "Danny Boy?"

[thalegend2001]

Eldar went to my school in KC- amazing down to Earth friend who is as cool and friendly as he acts on stage, great guy making INCREDIBLE music.

[roycebentley]

2:51....he's an alien!!! lol

[hugleberthumperdink]

this dude is dam fine

[motifator]

he is RETARDICULOUS...Buy all the albums it's worth it..trust me

[jazzytds]

Benny Green part 2. Definitely would make Art a proud papa. :)

[Protocol411]

I just quit piano. Thanks Eldar! Tatum did the same thing to me, but you got a long way.

[MOSes020]

ahhhh!!! 2:59!!

[Francozen]

Oscar Peterson is in him! Great!

[georgeontherocks]

Eldar went to my school, no shit, Francis Parker in San Diego

[jonsilence]

Brilliant. Very gifted and blessed. Just beautiful.

[sale1948]

AMAZING---saw Eldar play at 12, and he blew me away. So happy for his success, great kid.

[yerbamatetom]

a young Oscar Peterson...(:

[tomorronow]

eldar came from my hometown of kansas city... im his biggest fan. check out re-imagination ---- so many sick tracks

[CaptainSpiknout]

Benny Green was playing like that with Art Blakey (block-chords), really amazing.

Eldar is unbelievable, I just discovered him today.(sorry if I don't speak English good, I'm French!)

[Ahnysupz]

i keep watching this video...its so sick..

[Ahnysupz]

i just gave up too itsok

[ahirsch123]

fuck. i give up.

[BlueTrane5]

Ahhh!

[rpoole444]

i was at the show

[TheForestEnds]

i went to school with him. last year. crazy guy. a real character.

[hugleberthumperdink]

id like to see this dude on a hammond

[Katajazz]

Okay then...

[jazztenorsaxdude]

this guy is unbelievable at such a young age. I wish i could play like him

[blujafunk]

that's force

[Lot2learn]

Thanks for the post. Totally insane. :-)