Naomi implies that our leaders are incompetent and I agree. As a citizen in a democracy, when you vote, you are hiring an employee, a servant. We citizens should give the candidates a battery of tests to see if they are competent. . . Watch the committee meetings on CPAC to learn how dumb our MPs are.
These _communists_ never change ! Always start with half truths and lies, in fact, presented with cute little faces and camouflaged between false good intentions (to save the world, create a better world, leaving the world more equal, etc, etc,...). Most Innocent believes, they do what they want, they take power,and finally the reality appears : super-inflated State, loss of freedoms, massacres, genocide, etc, etc. ...
Utter rubbish- let us have 500 ppm co2. Atmospheric co2 enrichment benefits all life on the Planet. Carbon dioxide is a harmless atmospheric gas, heavier than air that tends to hug ground levels where it is absorbed by plants to produce sugar and hence our food.
Global Warming is a scam to hide the fact that Oil is running out . The governments of the world want too tax you so you consume less and dont use as much oil.
Gloabl Warming snow in Europe and USA proves the earth is cooling , not Warming.
WTF? I mostly agree with all she is talking about except what she is saying at 8:55! How can CO2 remain in the atmosphere? THE PLANTS BREATHE IT! For most of the kids that went to school this is freakin basics stuff, animals inhale oxigen and exhale CO2 and plants "inhale" CO2 and emit oxigen! The only way CO2 would remain in the atmosphere would be if there were no more green plants or alges on the face of the earth or oceans!
@alienapestar Maybe you're a high school drop out, but later on in biology class (in grade 10), after they teach about photosynthesis, they start to teach about the greenhouse gas effect. Yes, plants breathe CO2, but the point is that we're creating green house gases faster than the plants can "eat" it. The heightened level of gas traps heat in the atmosphere (global warming). It's pretty elementary.
@ytlvr The upper atmosphere leaks into space . Thats the argument , DOES CO2 trap heat ? Many dont believe so , I dont. I believe the output of the SUN heats the planet but I could be worng , the SUN might actually cool the planet , but that would be JUST friggen stupid to say the SUN COOLS the planet so you must agree , the sun heats the planet , not c02. You must probably also have to agree that the axis of the earth and its wobbly orbit in space would probably effect the reaction with SUN
So Naomi Klein thinks it's alright to fly all over the world and give indoctrination seminars while she moans about "global warming"? Yeah ok, no BS there or anything.
It's really unfortunate she's turning to global warming, considering the whole issue is a bunch of nonsense. If anyone here ardently believes in the theory of man-made global warming then I suggest you watch the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, and there are countless books on amazon.com. For one, less than 3% of Co2 emited is man-made. The theory goes that Co2 is the main driver of global climate, but how can that be so if so little of it is do to our activity? Educate youselves...
@lebiew I've been saying that forever and people just don't seem to get it. Does it not bother anyone that these so called global warming groups like the IPCC claim to give us "reports" about the state of the climate when they fail to even mention the sun's role? It's ridiculous. It's like talking about the history of skateboarding without mentioning Tony Hawk. It's obvious the IPCC is a biased political group with aims of its own, and Al Gore is lying to us to make a profit.
this women is making millions off of you people..i'd care about carbon debts and unsubstantiated human effects on global weathering too if i was making 200,000 per speaking engagement.
Once again Naomi ruins an issue. Call it Land Debt NOT climate debt. Monsanto seed damages the land. If Climate as an issue recedes then Monsanto would be able to evade the issue. By making it Land Debt the corporations have to pay no matter the climate.
How bout the third world owes the west, especially the United States, for every invention worth a fuck that has progressed humanity and raised the standard of living for every person on the planet. Lightbulbs,electricity,automobile,computers,internet,space travel are just a few of the minor contributions from the United States that have changed the world we live in, and this bitch thinks we owe the countries that brought the world mud cookies as their contribution to humanity, why again?
You have no clue how the make money at all cost mantra of the world is not only at the expense of the poorer countries but all of us. I get you don't understand this. You are disconnected from what sustains us. You believes you are better than others. Your ego controls you and your ego was created by our main stream media and you and millions buy into it and are on auto-pilot. What you don't see coming is the brick wall of reality you are so willing to crash into. You need to know better.
Of course you're right. The United States has not raised the standard of living for every human as much as Zimbabwe has. Zimbabwe has made all of our lives easier with their magnificent inventions like the..............
@jjrglobal It was fossil fuel energy which raised the standard of life for some at the expense of places like Zimbabwe. Once the US depleted its own fossil fuel reserves it then stole oil from others via imperialism to maintain its quality of life. The US could have done much better even for its self if its goals were not to make money at all cost. The folly of the US's make money at all cost might is right approach will cost us all in the end and the end of the US empire is in sight.
@wherethegoodgo The US has never stolen a single barrel of oil that I am aware of. Even when it came time for Iraq to award contracts, none of them even went to American companies. As far as the US oil supply being depleted, take it from someone in the business, its not even close. We have oil and gas reserves that dwarf the middle east. If the US fails in the next few years, it will be because of people in power that think like your dumbass.
@jjrglobal Just ask the Native People who occupied the land that is now called the US and Canada if they think we are thieves. As part of the business class of the US your profit at all cost attitude is why the US's economy will fail. You shipped your industry production jobs out of the US in the name of profits and turned your nation into a debtor nation who is attempting to survive by printing money. If you only had foresight you would understand this is not sustainable and is delusional
@wherethegoodgo natives did more than there share of atrocities to european immigrants, and as far as productivity..natives had this country to themselves for thousands of years..european and other settlers brought us into a industrialized age in only 200..so you tell me what was better for the world..
@shockwaveization The way we have industrialized the world is the problem and is not sustainable. I agree as far as our industrialization, but, is it really better for the world? What is better in your mind and does it matter if it is sustainable better. Does it only matter if it is better for you right now but causes your children to suffer greatly? Short sighted people all over the world might agree with you but it does not make it so. Short sightedness due to selfishness is not better.
@wherethegoodgo not sure on what the consensus is on a "right way" in which to advance as a civilization. as far as the development in america, our current and subsequent advances since the establishment of this country speaks volumes through the historic record even more so in comparison with any other "developing" country.
@shockwaveization The right way should be sustainable. It is simple really, we are all one by virtue of what sustains us. We all need clean air, clean water, and proper nutrition none of which we have as we once did. Do you believe our industrial way of life is sustainable and right? Denial is not just a place in Egypt. Causes do have their effects and we will all pay the price for our carelessness and disregard for what is important. What the "right way"; it is to consider those to come.
@wherethegoodgo i can definetly agree with the idea of responsible resource management, i underscore "responsible" and "voluntary" in this assertion. but to institute local/global policies that re-distribute and incur mass debt for the sake of profiteering through fearmongering and conjectures of what might be, is careless and just as damaging to or world as any natural disaster.
@wherethegoodgo to the issue of sustainability i would implore you to have alittle more faith in your fellow human beings and in the motive of commerce..there are viable sustainable alternative resources that exist even now, watch as markets follow the trends.i submit as an example,the advant of the first car.only the priveledged and wealthy could afford such a luxury but as demand and technology advanced so to did availability bringing the a metro society into existance.
@wherethegoodgo if people are left to pursue the ideals of life liberty and happiness. and not forced to pay outragous carbon debt fees and relinquish individual freedoms for the "global good", amazingly enough those very things will begin to manifest. And, i might add, without any global governments or administrators directing the way.
@shockwaveization So we measure our conduct against others and it negates our wrong doings. You must be religious cause they also use leaps in logic such as the one you have used with this statement. What is better for the world is a sustainable way of life, which we do not have with the industrial way of life we have created. Short term gain for long term pain is not creating a better world. But you don't have a clue do you?
@wherethegoodgo not sure how you arrived to the content of your response from what i wrote but i would strongl encourage you to consoder carefu;;y what i actually said. i dont believe in egalitarianism or collectivism as either an ideal or solution to our resource problem..i consider mans progression to follow the same logic for which its been effected through out history.
@shockwaveization To have faith is to believe and when you believe it is because you don't know cause if you knew you would not have to believe. Things like gravity and mathematics are things you can know so you don't have to believe anything. The current conditions faced by humanity are unlike any in history so looking to history does not help understand our current situation. We need to evolve past our teenager consumption at all cost stage of evolution into a more sustainable adult stage.
@wherethegoodgo you should seriously reconsider the fallacy that the world is running out of resources to sustain our population. the evidence just doesnt support the idea. dont be so quickly convinced by rhetoric. for example, as civilization entered the industrializd age populations centralized into urban settings essentially moving larger masses of peple into smaller geographic locations-this ultimately opened up greater land masses for agricultural development as early as the 1800's..
@jjrglobal Even the thing you seem to love (Money) will be taken from you because your country and its people are delusional. Where do you think the people in power come from? They come from US universities, churches, business and are elected by the US citizenry. The collective IQ of the us is so low you could not figure your way out of a wet paper bag. The sad thing is it will be the world who will pay the price when China owns us all cause you put a dollar value on freedom. Dumbass puppet
@jjrglobal We are already economic slaves and you don't know it. You better get a clue and soon. There is another wave of mortgage corruption coming as big as sub-prime. You have been bamboozled. Bend over corruption is driving. Your going to slaughter willingly by supporting a corrupt ideal. Globalization is the one world government ruled by the all mighty dollar Christians fear and it was done right under your noses. The return of Christ is near.lol
@jjrglobal Leave it to the egotistical to take credit for fossil fuels. It was the exploitation of fossil fuels and not the US which raised the living standards. And yes the US is the best at exploiting others and our natural resources. And it is not the inventions you know about that are magnificent it is the ones you don't which were suppressed by the US because they would rendered fossil fuels unnecessary. There is no money in clean energy as compared to fossil fuels' . Egotist.
From a CLUB OF ROME REPORT, The First Global Revolution. Differs slightly between 1991 ed., and the 1993 reprint by Alexander King & Bertrand Schneider:
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.
Get you don't know foresight is the cure to your serious mental illness known as delusional denial. Acquiring the ability to anticipate and prevent problems is the cure for your disease. You are not paranoid if there really is a problem, however, you are delusional if you refuse to see or understand it. What we need to cure is the lack of foresight the human race seems to currently have. You can't buy foresight or cure the lack of so it is up to you to cure yourself via understanding.
Key word PROGRESSIVE movement. The question is to where? Well its to communism folks, to china's system of complete government control over ever life on earth. It seems they are trying to gain more control with fake science on AGW, but there's also healthcare which will break private health insurance and then bring on bigger government to fix it. WAKE UP SHEEPLE. It is only about power/money/control...
Amen ezze902. We all need to protect and conserve the environment, but the modern eco-movement hides socialist policy thru carbon taxes. The market will provide for green energy when it becomes cheaper for consumers. the bottom line is that we do not live in a cesspool of industrial waste, but a mostly clean beautiful Earth. The debate on climate change is ongoing because data is always being collected. The idea that we need to pay people is a version of the 1970s and 80s reparations movements.
this can only be true if we make some serious assumptions- first that there is a crisis, that man is driving the climate, that we can reverse it, that co2 truly is what it's all about, that when the scientists don't agree that we just pretend that they do- you are so eager to clasp onto this theory because it helps relieve your natural guilty conscience, which must make you all feel quite good about yourselves! The scientific trend is leaning towards deeper thought, not panic driven legislation-
@keithmlarsen umm, we do know that keithmlarsen. Those of us who don't know that are so afraid of the available evidence, so afraid that we might be doing something wrong and therefore we might have to change. and god forbid, not consume so much. if you're not convinced that people are fueling the problem i say, what makes you so sure? even if you're 99% sure we aren't do you want to take the risk? do we need to be so rich while others are so poor? the environment doesn't preclude people!
And what problem are we humans supposedly causing? If the warming was unusual in rate then I could see reason for concern, but we have remained exactly within the normal variability regardless of the fact that co2 has climbed "rapidly." Temps don't follow co2 the way the theory suggests they should- Look at the three decade cooling that took place from the 1940's to the 70's, co2 skyrocketed during that time and it was cooling! Humans are causing problems, but co2 is very likely not the cause-
I'm not going to squabble over details (even though we have seen a 2 degree rise (!!) during the industrial revolution and that is not normal)- you hit the nail on the head though - we are causing problems. so whether that correlates 100 % to global warming or not is not the issue here. do we accept the ethical wasteland in which political decisions are being made? do we accept that its fair for 20% of the world to hog 80% of the resources? I hear Haiti could use some help, by the way.
Still, it seems strange that it was snowing in Texas while Vancouver BC had to actually ship in snow because what they had was melting. How normal is it to walk around in shorts in Vancouver in February?
The problem in the history of evolution is the death rate. Sure some survive and adapt - but what about the rest? What about the increase likelihood of death from climate change in those whom we exploit in contrast to those who do the exploiting?
If the rate were outstanding then it might be that simple, but it just isn't- We are within the range of natural variability, but that doesn't prove anything either, I'll admit that. I'm just saying that if the public is being sold policy based on a precautionary principle then they ought to be told that. Instead they are incited into fearful believing, and told that "virtually all scientists agree.." They are told that they "must" do....to save the planet. I don't think it's presented honestly-
as for your latter point- no I don't think it's "fair" that we have so much while others have so little, but when has life been fair? Either we produce so much that everyone in the world can have what we have, or we have to reduce our consumption exponentially to make it "fair." That won't happen- fortunately there are good people in the world who share what they have by choice. People should never be forced to comply with someone else's ideals, it's called freedom and it is still quite popular-
@keithmlarsen I agree that when people donate money (i.e Tsunami relief) they have the best of intentions and they are responding to a tug at their generous heartstrings. I hate to break the news to you but, right now, right at this moment, the ideals you and I are living by - indeed we are forced to live by them - do not suit you and me both. I, and I imagine others are forced (unhappily!!) to comply with neo-conservativism. what a sad freedom you speak of.
i add, any uncompromising socialist will tell you quite frankly, my friend, yes, this IS about wealth distribution...this is about sharing "our" resources with other countries. Its not such a radical principle. After all the wealth you and I enjoy did come from digging the soils of poor countries (i.e. all of Latin America), stealing the wealth from their lands while we prospered with caviar and champagne dreams.
You can't just say that what we have was stolen from other countries! That's a very broad and foolish blanket statement. This country has honest and dishonest businesses, generous and stingy people as well. "We" are not collectively guilty of what you accuse us all of. Nobody will tell you that foreign aid is a bad thing, but it should be done voluntarily and by the voice of the people- You should read James Shikwati, he's an African author with a unique perspectives on third world struggles-
And to say that our resources must be shared is a naive statement and I'll tell you why. Most of the resources in the world are not found in the USA- Mexico has rich natural resources and yet remains impoverished- why? A corrupt and inefficient government that represses it's people. The same story can be seen across the globe- The resources we have in the USA are a product of freedom and democracy- and everywhere it's been seriously duplicated it has produced the same result- teach him to fish..
Climate change is real, it has been for the whole of the existence of the planet.
Go research geological eviodence for co2 levels and temperature data spanning thousands of years not just the convenient curve from the last 150.
Go research solar activity and its effects on weather and global temperature.
Go research the evidence of fraud from climategate, read the actual emails plotting to prevent studies from being published and manipulating statistical data.
Not only does it assume climate change is man made, it assumes we can actually fix the earth? lol... it is normal for the earth to go through changes (Warm and cold)... we went from the wording being "Global Warming" to "Climate Change"
It would take radical change, flipping the world upside down... taking out the capitalism system... thats not going to happen. Stop using oil, stop wasting resources on irrelevant goods and life styles...
these people have a secret though- they don't really want to just reform our energy- they want to reform our entire economy in a way that funnels most of our resources out of our country. That's their main objective! It is really about wealth distribution, and that's the secret they won't own up to, but it's obvious-
sorry, I didn't mean to say we stole - I meant to say we made highly questionable deals with corrupt and compliant dictators (deposed those who weren't compliant -i.e. Allende, Arbenz, etc) then gave them lots of money to store in offshore accounts while the public sector received 'nada' then treated other countries as our playgrounds for resource accumulation. Sorry, didn't mean to say steal. very foolish of me.
I really do like Naomi Klines work, but its just not going to work. Theres noone that will be able to police the world, enforce and regulate a system on carbon.
Assuming Carbon is the problem. We need to protect the environment but we cant go overboard. Were not going to be able to save those countries at risk.
The whole thing has gotten so fanatical and political... you speak against the climate change and people think your crazy.
It is interesting to note that there was more snow in Texas than in BC - I wonder why that is! And it seems that there is more snow in Toronto than in Winterpeg this year. Naomi Klein is right - Canada is not paying the consequences for her actions - someone else is.
It is easier to keep polluting when one is reaping all the benefits and someone else is paying the cost.
Please put up Avi's intro - David Lewis was also a great visionary.
Whatever the truth is about the climate the fact that we are having an effect is evident in Canada.
Here there are new animals pushing from the south and pushing out our regular ones. Raccoons and black squirrels weren't around this area before 10 years ago.
As kids we could swim in the Kam river until the "smell of prosperity" went into action. We drink fresh water from Loch Lommond that had no chlorine or chemicals in it. That is the point I have been trying to make about "pay back time" from mother Earth.
These folks do not understand because they never had the experience of clean water. Water is nature's purifier.
Naomi implies that our leaders are incompetent and I agree. As a citizen in a democracy, when you vote, you are hiring an employee, a servant. We citizens should give the candidates a battery of tests to see if they are competent. . . Watch the committee meetings on CPAC to learn how dumb our MPs are.
bimmjim 1 month ago
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When will people realize the connections of these people (and ideologies) and realize their true intentions!?
This has happened several times in world history, and is happening again! Wake up!
svcselso 3 months ago
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These _communists_ never change ! Always start with half truths and lies, in fact, presented with cute little faces and camouflaged between false good intentions (to save the world, create a better world, leaving the world more equal, etc, etc,...). Most Innocent believes, they do what they want, they take power,and finally the reality appears : super-inflated State, loss of freedoms, massacres, genocide, etc, etc. ...
svcselso 3 months ago
Utter rubbish- let us have 500 ppm co2. Atmospheric co2 enrichment benefits all life on the Planet. Carbon dioxide is a harmless atmospheric gas, heavier than air that tends to hug ground levels where it is absorbed by plants to produce sugar and hence our food.
david222444 3 months ago
Global Warming is a scam to hide the fact that Oil is running out . The governments of the world want too tax you so you consume less and dont use as much oil.
Gloabl Warming snow in Europe and USA proves the earth is cooling , not Warming.
Think Carbon tax, Think Peak OIL.
MrMick73 1 year ago
@MrMick73 Wrong! there is enough oil and shale gas to keep the world supplied in energy for hundreds of years.
david222444 3 months ago
utter nonsense! Sorry I tended to like her but the theory of man-made climate change is NOT backed by science no matter what IPCC tells us.
Connor680 1 year ago
WTF? I mostly agree with all she is talking about except what she is saying at 8:55! How can CO2 remain in the atmosphere? THE PLANTS BREATHE IT! For most of the kids that went to school this is freakin basics stuff, animals inhale oxigen and exhale CO2 and plants "inhale" CO2 and emit oxigen! The only way CO2 would remain in the atmosphere would be if there were no more green plants or alges on the face of the earth or oceans!
alienapestar 1 year ago
@alienapestar Maybe you're a high school drop out, but later on in biology class (in grade 10), after they teach about photosynthesis, they start to teach about the greenhouse gas effect. Yes, plants breathe CO2, but the point is that we're creating green house gases faster than the plants can "eat" it. The heightened level of gas traps heat in the atmosphere (global warming). It's pretty elementary.
ytlvr 1 year ago
@ytlvr The upper atmosphere leaks into space . Thats the argument , DOES CO2 trap heat ? Many dont believe so , I dont. I believe the output of the SUN heats the planet but I could be worng , the SUN might actually cool the planet , but that would be JUST friggen stupid to say the SUN COOLS the planet so you must agree , the sun heats the planet , not c02. You must probably also have to agree that the axis of the earth and its wobbly orbit in space would probably effect the reaction with SUN
MrMick73 3 months ago
So Naomi Klein thinks it's alright to fly all over the world and give indoctrination seminars while she moans about "global warming"? Yeah ok, no BS there or anything.
leeason1 1 year ago
It's really unfortunate she's turning to global warming, considering the whole issue is a bunch of nonsense. If anyone here ardently believes in the theory of man-made global warming then I suggest you watch the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, and there are countless books on amazon.com. For one, less than 3% of Co2 emited is man-made. The theory goes that Co2 is the main driver of global climate, but how can that be so if so little of it is do to our activity? Educate youselves...
camreeno360 1 year ago
@camreeno360 It's the freaking SUN that is warming the planet. Tell everyone now
lebiew 1 year ago
@lebiew I've been saying that forever and people just don't seem to get it. Does it not bother anyone that these so called global warming groups like the IPCC claim to give us "reports" about the state of the climate when they fail to even mention the sun's role? It's ridiculous. It's like talking about the history of skateboarding without mentioning Tony Hawk. It's obvious the IPCC is a biased political group with aims of its own, and Al Gore is lying to us to make a profit.
camreeno360 1 year ago
this women is making millions off of you people..i'd care about carbon debts and unsubstantiated human effects on global weathering too if i was making 200,000 per speaking engagement.
shockwaveization 1 year ago
Once again Naomi ruins an issue. Call it Land Debt NOT climate debt. Monsanto seed damages the land. If Climate as an issue recedes then Monsanto would be able to evade the issue. By making it Land Debt the corporations have to pay no matter the climate.
sanacore4643 1 year ago
BS - CO2 has been as high as 7,000 ppm and it was even 4,000 ppm during one of the 4 ice ages.
codematrix 2 years ago
Where do people get this BS=Bad Science.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
How bout the third world owes the west, especially the United States, for every invention worth a fuck that has progressed humanity and raised the standard of living for every person on the planet. Lightbulbs,electricity,automobile,computers,internet,space travel are just a few of the minor contributions from the United States that have changed the world we live in, and this bitch thinks we owe the countries that brought the world mud cookies as their contribution to humanity, why again?
jjrglobal 2 years ago
You have no clue how the make money at all cost mantra of the world is not only at the expense of the poorer countries but all of us. I get you don't understand this. You are disconnected from what sustains us. You believes you are better than others. Your ego controls you and your ego was created by our main stream media and you and millions buy into it and are on auto-pilot. What you don't see coming is the brick wall of reality you are so willing to crash into. You need to know better.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo
Of course you're right. The United States has not raised the standard of living for every human as much as Zimbabwe has. Zimbabwe has made all of our lives easier with their magnificent inventions like the..............
jjrglobal 1 year ago
@jjrglobal It was fossil fuel energy which raised the standard of life for some at the expense of places like Zimbabwe. Once the US depleted its own fossil fuel reserves it then stole oil from others via imperialism to maintain its quality of life. The US could have done much better even for its self if its goals were not to make money at all cost. The folly of the US's make money at all cost might is right approach will cost us all in the end and the end of the US empire is in sight.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo The US has never stolen a single barrel of oil that I am aware of. Even when it came time for Iraq to award contracts, none of them even went to American companies. As far as the US oil supply being depleted, take it from someone in the business, its not even close. We have oil and gas reserves that dwarf the middle east. If the US fails in the next few years, it will be because of people in power that think like your dumbass.
jjrglobal 1 year ago
@jjrglobal Just ask the Native People who occupied the land that is now called the US and Canada if they think we are thieves. As part of the business class of the US your profit at all cost attitude is why the US's economy will fail. You shipped your industry production jobs out of the US in the name of profits and turned your nation into a debtor nation who is attempting to survive by printing money. If you only had foresight you would understand this is not sustainable and is delusional
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo natives did more than there share of atrocities to european immigrants, and as far as productivity..natives had this country to themselves for thousands of years..european and other settlers brought us into a industrialized age in only 200..so you tell me what was better for the world..
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@shockwaveization The way we have industrialized the world is the problem and is not sustainable. I agree as far as our industrialization, but, is it really better for the world? What is better in your mind and does it matter if it is sustainable better. Does it only matter if it is better for you right now but causes your children to suffer greatly? Short sighted people all over the world might agree with you but it does not make it so. Short sightedness due to selfishness is not better.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo not sure on what the consensus is on a "right way" in which to advance as a civilization. as far as the development in america, our current and subsequent advances since the establishment of this country speaks volumes through the historic record even more so in comparison with any other "developing" country.
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@shockwaveization The right way should be sustainable. It is simple really, we are all one by virtue of what sustains us. We all need clean air, clean water, and proper nutrition none of which we have as we once did. Do you believe our industrial way of life is sustainable and right? Denial is not just a place in Egypt. Causes do have their effects and we will all pay the price for our carelessness and disregard for what is important. What the "right way"; it is to consider those to come.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo i can definetly agree with the idea of responsible resource management, i underscore "responsible" and "voluntary" in this assertion. but to institute local/global policies that re-distribute and incur mass debt for the sake of profiteering through fearmongering and conjectures of what might be, is careless and just as damaging to or world as any natural disaster.
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo to the issue of sustainability i would implore you to have alittle more faith in your fellow human beings and in the motive of commerce..there are viable sustainable alternative resources that exist even now, watch as markets follow the trends.i submit as an example,the advant of the first car.only the priveledged and wealthy could afford such a luxury but as demand and technology advanced so to did availability bringing the a metro society into existance.
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo if people are left to pursue the ideals of life liberty and happiness. and not forced to pay outragous carbon debt fees and relinquish individual freedoms for the "global good", amazingly enough those very things will begin to manifest. And, i might add, without any global governments or administrators directing the way.
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@shockwaveization So we measure our conduct against others and it negates our wrong doings. You must be religious cause they also use leaps in logic such as the one you have used with this statement. What is better for the world is a sustainable way of life, which we do not have with the industrial way of life we have created. Short term gain for long term pain is not creating a better world. But you don't have a clue do you?
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo not sure how you arrived to the content of your response from what i wrote but i would strongl encourage you to consoder carefu;;y what i actually said. i dont believe in egalitarianism or collectivism as either an ideal or solution to our resource problem..i consider mans progression to follow the same logic for which its been effected through out history.
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@shockwaveization To have faith is to believe and when you believe it is because you don't know cause if you knew you would not have to believe. Things like gravity and mathematics are things you can know so you don't have to believe anything. The current conditions faced by humanity are unlike any in history so looking to history does not help understand our current situation. We need to evolve past our teenager consumption at all cost stage of evolution into a more sustainable adult stage.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo you should seriously reconsider the fallacy that the world is running out of resources to sustain our population. the evidence just doesnt support the idea. dont be so quickly convinced by rhetoric. for example, as civilization entered the industrializd age populations centralized into urban settings essentially moving larger masses of peple into smaller geographic locations-this ultimately opened up greater land masses for agricultural development as early as the 1800's..
shockwaveization 1 year ago
@jjrglobal Even the thing you seem to love (Money) will be taken from you because your country and its people are delusional. Where do you think the people in power come from? They come from US universities, churches, business and are elected by the US citizenry. The collective IQ of the us is so low you could not figure your way out of a wet paper bag. The sad thing is it will be the world who will pay the price when China owns us all cause you put a dollar value on freedom. Dumbass puppet
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@jjrglobal We are already economic slaves and you don't know it. You better get a clue and soon. There is another wave of mortgage corruption coming as big as sub-prime. You have been bamboozled. Bend over corruption is driving. Your going to slaughter willingly by supporting a corrupt ideal. Globalization is the one world government ruled by the all mighty dollar Christians fear and it was done right under your noses. The return of Christ is near.lol
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@jjrglobal Leave it to the egotistical to take credit for fossil fuels. It was the exploitation of fossil fuels and not the US which raised the living standards. And yes the US is the best at exploiting others and our natural resources. And it is not the inventions you know about that are magnificent it is the ones you don't which were suppressed by the US because they would rendered fossil fuels unnecessary. There is no money in clean energy as compared to fossil fuels' . Egotist.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
From a CLUB OF ROME REPORT, The First Global Revolution. Differs slightly between 1991 ed., and the 1993 reprint by Alexander King & Bertrand Schneider:
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.
H204Real 2 years ago 6
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She is just giving US ALL another reason to step onto the trains. That is all that she is doing.
The same result but with a different tone (strapping the bad boys on the hands but...doing nothing from keeping the trains from going camp-bound).
I detest population reduction programs and anyone who indirectly supports it is a part of the problem.
H204Real 2 years ago
@H204Real
Paranoid schizophrenia is a serious mental illness, as the comments from H204Real illustrate. Please donate generously to help find a cure.
nurktwin1960 1 year ago
Get you don't know foresight is the cure to your serious mental illness known as delusional denial. Acquiring the ability to anticipate and prevent problems is the cure for your disease. You are not paranoid if there really is a problem, however, you are delusional if you refuse to see or understand it. What we need to cure is the lack of foresight the human race seems to currently have. You can't buy foresight or cure the lack of so it is up to you to cure yourself via understanding.
wherethegoodgo 1 year ago
@wherethegoodgo
Is there something inherent when it comes to stupidity and musicians? Cant have one without the other?
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WPGSTOPBILLC51 2 years ago
CLIMATE CHANGE=PONZI SCHEME
H204Real 2 years ago
Just wanted to say thank you for posting. As a Canadian of course some of the are very difficult to hear but for the world we must do what is right.
JoshGibson21 2 years ago
Key word PROGRESSIVE movement. The question is to where? Well its to communism folks, to china's system of complete government control over ever life on earth. It seems they are trying to gain more control with fake science on AGW, but there's also healthcare which will break private health insurance and then bring on bigger government to fix it. WAKE UP SHEEPLE. It is only about power/money/control...
TheKickerboy99 2 years ago
Amen ezze902. We all need to protect and conserve the environment, but the modern eco-movement hides socialist policy thru carbon taxes. The market will provide for green energy when it becomes cheaper for consumers. the bottom line is that we do not live in a cesspool of industrial waste, but a mostly clean beautiful Earth. The debate on climate change is ongoing because data is always being collected. The idea that we need to pay people is a version of the 1970s and 80s reparations movements.
cpg5 2 years ago
this can only be true if we make some serious assumptions- first that there is a crisis, that man is driving the climate, that we can reverse it, that co2 truly is what it's all about, that when the scientists don't agree that we just pretend that they do- you are so eager to clasp onto this theory because it helps relieve your natural guilty conscience, which must make you all feel quite good about yourselves! The scientific trend is leaning towards deeper thought, not panic driven legislation-
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
@keithmlarsen umm, we do know that keithmlarsen. Those of us who don't know that are so afraid of the available evidence, so afraid that we might be doing something wrong and therefore we might have to change. and god forbid, not consume so much. if you're not convinced that people are fueling the problem i say, what makes you so sure? even if you're 99% sure we aren't do you want to take the risk? do we need to be so rich while others are so poor? the environment doesn't preclude people!
iamdingles 2 years ago 2
And what problem are we humans supposedly causing? If the warming was unusual in rate then I could see reason for concern, but we have remained exactly within the normal variability regardless of the fact that co2 has climbed "rapidly." Temps don't follow co2 the way the theory suggests they should- Look at the three decade cooling that took place from the 1940's to the 70's, co2 skyrocketed during that time and it was cooling! Humans are causing problems, but co2 is very likely not the cause-
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
I'm not going to squabble over details (even though we have seen a 2 degree rise (!!) during the industrial revolution and that is not normal)- you hit the nail on the head though - we are causing problems. so whether that correlates 100 % to global warming or not is not the issue here. do we accept the ethical wasteland in which political decisions are being made? do we accept that its fair for 20% of the world to hog 80% of the resources? I hear Haiti could use some help, by the way.
iamdingles 2 years ago
Still, it seems strange that it was snowing in Texas while Vancouver BC had to actually ship in snow because what they had was melting. How normal is it to walk around in shorts in Vancouver in February?
The problem in the history of evolution is the death rate. Sure some survive and adapt - but what about the rest? What about the increase likelihood of death from climate change in those whom we exploit in contrast to those who do the exploiting?
lucettelp 2 years ago
If the rate were outstanding then it might be that simple, but it just isn't- We are within the range of natural variability, but that doesn't prove anything either, I'll admit that. I'm just saying that if the public is being sold policy based on a precautionary principle then they ought to be told that. Instead they are incited into fearful believing, and told that "virtually all scientists agree.." They are told that they "must" do....to save the planet. I don't think it's presented honestly-
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
as for your latter point- no I don't think it's "fair" that we have so much while others have so little, but when has life been fair? Either we produce so much that everyone in the world can have what we have, or we have to reduce our consumption exponentially to make it "fair." That won't happen- fortunately there are good people in the world who share what they have by choice. People should never be forced to comply with someone else's ideals, it's called freedom and it is still quite popular-
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
@keithmlarsen I agree that when people donate money (i.e Tsunami relief) they have the best of intentions and they are responding to a tug at their generous heartstrings. I hate to break the news to you but, right now, right at this moment, the ideals you and I are living by - indeed we are forced to live by them - do not suit you and me both. I, and I imagine others are forced (unhappily!!) to comply with neo-conservativism. what a sad freedom you speak of.
iamdingles 2 years ago
i add, any uncompromising socialist will tell you quite frankly, my friend, yes, this IS about wealth distribution...this is about sharing "our" resources with other countries. Its not such a radical principle. After all the wealth you and I enjoy did come from digging the soils of poor countries (i.e. all of Latin America), stealing the wealth from their lands while we prospered with caviar and champagne dreams.
iamdingles 2 years ago
You can't just say that what we have was stolen from other countries! That's a very broad and foolish blanket statement. This country has honest and dishonest businesses, generous and stingy people as well. "We" are not collectively guilty of what you accuse us all of. Nobody will tell you that foreign aid is a bad thing, but it should be done voluntarily and by the voice of the people- You should read James Shikwati, he's an African author with a unique perspectives on third world struggles-
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
And to say that our resources must be shared is a naive statement and I'll tell you why. Most of the resources in the world are not found in the USA- Mexico has rich natural resources and yet remains impoverished- why? A corrupt and inefficient government that represses it's people. The same story can be seen across the globe- The resources we have in the USA are a product of freedom and democracy- and everywhere it's been seriously duplicated it has produced the same result- teach him to fish..
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
@iamdingles
Can you be 99% sure you wont get run over the next time you cross a road? Does that you mean you will play safe and stay indoors your whole life?
Here's what we do know 100%.
The people selling us the "manmade co2 climate change myth" have:
a) Fabricated statistical evidence
b) Lied about WMD
c) Lied about the Afghan war
d) Enabled banks to steal billions
e) Hold significant interests in renewable energy companies and co2 trading
f) Dont give a damn about real environmental issues
AntiNWOMusic 1 year ago
Climate change is real, it has been for the whole of the existence of the planet.
Go research geological eviodence for co2 levels and temperature data spanning thousands of years not just the convenient curve from the last 150.
Go research solar activity and its effects on weather and global temperature.
Go research the evidence of fraud from climategate, read the actual emails plotting to prevent studies from being published and manipulating statistical data.
CO2 TAX IS A FRAUD
AntiNWOMusic 1 year ago
@keithmlarsen
Not only does it assume climate change is man made, it assumes we can actually fix the earth? lol... it is normal for the earth to go through changes (Warm and cold)... we went from the wording being "Global Warming" to "Climate Change"
It would take radical change, flipping the world upside down... taking out the capitalism system... thats not going to happen. Stop using oil, stop wasting resources on irrelevant goods and life styles...
ezze902 2 years ago
Well said-
these people have a secret though- they don't really want to just reform our energy- they want to reform our entire economy in a way that funnels most of our resources out of our country. That's their main objective! It is really about wealth distribution, and that's the secret they won't own up to, but it's obvious-
keithmlarsen 2 years ago
sorry, I didn't mean to say we stole - I meant to say we made highly questionable deals with corrupt and compliant dictators (deposed those who weren't compliant -i.e. Allende, Arbenz, etc) then gave them lots of money to store in offshore accounts while the public sector received 'nada' then treated other countries as our playgrounds for resource accumulation. Sorry, didn't mean to say steal. very foolish of me.
iamdingles 2 years ago
I really do like Naomi Klines work, but its just not going to work. Theres noone that will be able to police the world, enforce and regulate a system on carbon.
Assuming Carbon is the problem. We need to protect the environment but we cant go overboard. Were not going to be able to save those countries at risk.
The whole thing has gotten so fanatical and political... you speak against the climate change and people think your crazy.
ezze902 2 years ago
5 stars =)
Vincenteloco 2 years ago
It is interesting to note that there was more snow in Texas than in BC - I wonder why that is! And it seems that there is more snow in Toronto than in Winterpeg this year. Naomi Klein is right - Canada is not paying the consequences for her actions - someone else is.
It is easier to keep polluting when one is reaping all the benefits and someone else is paying the cost.
Please put up Avi's intro - David Lewis was also a great visionary.
lucettelp 2 years ago
Climate change=SCAM
tbgx1 2 years ago
The solution is simple and the marketers of words such as Climate Change & Global Warming deliberately mislead the people.
As an example; If Naomi put the words "climate Instability" in place of the above mentioned words listen to the difference.
I am a Canadian and see it as nature giving us "pay back" for the harm we have done & continue doing.
ThisBoyTV 2 years ago
@ThisBoyTV Great comments.
Whatever the truth is about the climate the fact that we are having an effect is evident in Canada.
Here there are new animals pushing from the south and pushing out our regular ones. Raccoons and black squirrels weren't around this area before 10 years ago.
MilanTbay 2 years ago
My comment to u yesterday disappeared.
As kids we could swim in the Kam river until the "smell of prosperity" went into action. We drink fresh water from Loch Lommond that had no chlorine or chemicals in it. That is the point I have been trying to make about "pay back time" from mother Earth.
These folks do not understand because they never had the experience of clean water. Water is nature's purifier.
ThisBoyTV 2 years ago
ThisBoyTV Didn't realize you were a Lakeheader. LOL
Have to figure a new way of doing things around here for sure.
MilanTbay 2 years ago