The critical thing for Israel and America thus is to support someone who isn't necessarily the most pro-West or pro-Israel, but who is most likely to make Egypt a better nation. Unfortunately when it comes to foreign policy, the US and Israel have always lead support to pro-west stooge over someone who is more capable but less friendly towards the west.
We all know that Israel's a freer country in terms of allowing criticism than Israel and its rich, far-right Jewish backers in America, allow AMERICA to be. But American support is, after all, much more crucial to Israel's survival than mere Israeli support. Who cares if the politically insignificant liberal minority of Israelis criticizes Likud? What counts is the American Israel Lobby's success in controlling the media representations of Israel HERE.
I can see why Israel is worried, or perhaps simply angry at the light it shines directly on them and their singularly horrific, internationally condemned, illegal, violently enforced colonial settler program, and the decades of misery and terror that it has wrought.
Mubarek: Brutally repressed his own arab people for decades, ruling with with an iron fist, allowing only meager rights while employing draconian measures to maintain "order".
Israel: Brutally repressed it's arab people for decades, ruling with an Iron fist, allowing........
@Kreplach8 The salt in the water is coming from aquifers on the Mediterranean Einstein. If Israel would lift its illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade and let the equipment in the Palestinians need to rebuild their water infrastructure that Israel destroyed the water in Gaza would become drinkable again
@Kreplach8 NO actually I think the international community should impose a blockade on Israel Fair is fair and if Israel gets to impose a blockade to keep weapons out of Gaza then it's only fair that a blockade be imposed on Israel to make sure no weapons get in to Israel And if anyone should be disarmed god knows its Israel with its ongoing destruction of Palestine which accomplish without its military.
@Kreplach8 Here you go Unlike you many people have investigated Israel's destruction of Gaza here are some reports for you that describe Israel's damage/destruction of Gaza farmland (among other things):
Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses A report one year after Operation Cast Lead
- Dashed Hopes
-The Gaza Strip: A Humanitarian Implosion
-No Safe Place
-Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories - Amnesty International Report 2010
@Kreplach8 The fishing areas are on the coast off of Gaza Einstein. And all you have to do is look up Israel's destruction of Palestinian farms to see many of them they are along the border I really don't know what you think you're going to gain by denying the physical location of the farms in Gaza I guess you think the ICRC has no idea where anything is in Gaza? If it's really important to you do a internet search for 'Gaza farmland border' Israel's destruction of Gaza farms is well documented
@Kreplach8 Her's a rel solution for problems in Gaza Israel immediately lifts its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade and accepts the Palestinians preferably in a 1 state solution where the Palestinians have equal rights
And whatever your point is here You don't punish people for their opinions and Gee I wonder why a Palestinian might feel negatively about Jews after all the death and suffering Jews have inflicted on Palestinians?
@Kreplach8 Prove 'civilians' getting killed are mostly Hamas. And you're so out of it you don't realize a civilian is not a combatant smh Unless you think Hamas politicians are getting killed then that's just more Israeli murders
@Kreplach8 You have no proof whatsoever of any Palestinian fisherman smuggling weapons. In any case fair is fair if Israel gets to have weapons so do the Palestinians. Being armed isn't a right exclusive to Zionists dude
@Kreplach8 LOL Sure they're accidents They're always accidents. Israel keeps attacking Gaza and keeps killing wounding Palestinians and it's just a coincidence that they keep killing wounding maiming Palestinians
You have no proof (as usual) Hamas is firing rockets near the border and Israel has no right to make innocents suffer and die for the rockets regardless of who's firing them That's evil That's no better than the Nazis
@Kreplach8 Yeah Israel brings in caravans of food all right. That's why there's all those NGOs in Gaza making sure the Palestinians don't starve That's why the Palestinians dig tunnels to bring food into Gaza because 'Israel brings in huge caravans of food' Dude you really are a joke.
@Kreplach8 We've already been thru this. The markets, some of them, do have food in them The issue is the prices The food costs too much for most Palestinians and that's because Israel's illegal admittedly gratuitous blocked keeps most Palestinians in a state of squalor. One more time 60% of Palestinians in Gaza are food insecure. 80% are reliant on NGOs to survive and 40-50 of Palestinians in Gaza are unemployed all due to Israel's illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade
@Kreplach8 Israel is bound by the 4th Geneva convention whether Israel likes it or not. Going on about your favorite straw man Hams doesn't absolve Israel of its responsibilities under international law
If it is Hamas attacking Israel it's an act of self defence
@Kreplach8 The only joke here is your reply to each of my comments
The 1305 Palestinian children Israel has killed figure comes from BTselem like I already told you. Unlike you BTselem don't look at preselected photos They actually do investigations
@Kreplach8 You just keep making stuff up hoping someone besides you will think its real. Robinson did no such thing She took a full tour of Gaza. Prove she only looked a battle area You think she's so stupid she didn't know where she was?
@Kreplach8 I've already 'explained' Israel's brutalization of the Palestinians eg its well documented illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade, ongoing gratuitous military Gaza invasions which leave Palestinians dead and wounded more businesses farms destroyed, 24000 home demolitions, ethnic cleansing, settler violence, destroying Palestinian water supplies, orchards, terrorizing Gaza fishermen, hundreds of hours sometimes days long warrantless checkpoints, its murderous Cast Lead etc etc
@Kreplach8 But please I can't resist What's your version of history? The Palestinians just gave their land to the Zionists and walked away leaving their culture and history and cities towns homes farms mosques etc all behind never to return and/or live in wretched refugee camps?
@Kreplach8 This is all documented history Of course Israelis stole Palestine Briefly, After the Zios started with waves of immigration to Palestine aand buying land They escalated to a full fledged terror campaign in 1948 at the UN partition and ethnically cleansed much of Palestine and continue to to so to this day You can read Dr Ilan Pappe's 'The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine' for more on this including how the Zios planned their terror campaign agaisnt the Palestinians in 1948
@Kreplach8 LOL now you're trying to rewrite history. Dude anyone with half a mind knows the Zionists invaded Palestine and stole 90% of it. You only have to look at maps of Palestine over the last 100 years to see how its disappeared. You only have to read Herzl and other Zionists to ow stealing Palestine the intention form the get-go cont
@Kreplach8 Israelis don't want to accept Hamas as equals Just look at how they already treat their Arab citizens in Israel loo at how Israelis make Palestinians pay with its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade because they voted for Hamas
In my opinion only a 1 state solution will work Palestinians are already under Israeli rule It's just a matter of Israel giving them equal rights. Israel's illegal war crime settlements (among other things) have made a 2 state solution impossible
@Kreplach8 Pathetic rockets fired randomly in general directions are all the Palestinians have. Under international law and natural law they are entitled to defend themselves against Israel's crushing blockade and other attacks
If Israel wants the tiny rockets to stop (assuming its really Palestinians firing them and not Israeli agents/collaborators) it just has to lift its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade
@Kreplach8 No one agrees that Israel has the right to inflict collective punishment on the Palestinians Collective punishment isn't self defence It's war crime and that is exactly what Israel is doing with its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade and other violence against Gaza eg destruction of Palestinian farms military incursions terrorizing shooting fisherman air strikes etc etc
@Kreplach8 If Israel wants to stop rockets it can not use excessive force and it can not punish innocents for the crimes of others in other words it can't inflict collective punishment as its doing now
And as the illegal occupying power Israel has no right to self defence. As occupying power Israel does however under international must protect the Palestinians and make sure their basic needs are met eg sanitation health food etc and it goes without saying Israel has done the exact opposite
@Kreplach8 Name one of these reports Where can I get it? Why are none of these reports to be found?
And speaking of Palestinian children when are you going to mention the BTselem report about the 1315 children Israel's terrorist security forces have killed since 2000 or the hundreds Israel killed in Cast Lead or the hundreds Israel keeps illegally in its dungeons? I mean that's if you're really concerned about Palestinian children and not just throwing them around to make fake political points
@Kreplach8 13th year of suicide bla bla bla. Israel's in its 73rd year of terrorism, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and 20th + year of its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade
@Kreplach8 Hams is a tiny minority of the population in Gaza They're a government like any other, well not any other they're certainly not as murderous and violent as Israel's or the US that's for sure
I already said there's no evidence of any Palestinian suicide bomber that's an Israeli myth If you have something beyond alleged unverifiable unsubstantiated conflicting admissions of responsibility please furnish us with it here
@Kreplach8 Do you know how silly you look trying to act all scared and threatened by an imprisoned impoverished people and their pathetic little homemade obsolete weapons while you have a state of the art 4th largest military in the world and are backed by the worlds superpower?
@Kreplach8 I might sweat if one of those pathetic little home made rockets from Gaza came toward me in Najd (Sderot) But I can tell you I would run in fear for my life if an Israel rocket were coming at me. You know the modern state of the art Israeli rockets missiles shells etc with ten times the payload of the tiny rockets from Gaza that Israel uses to pound Gaza for no reason OH and unlike the little rockets from Gaza Israel's can b actually be aimed
@Kreplach8 These are all utterly unsubstantiated fairy tale numbers If you think you can make any headway here making up numbers out of thin air & fairy tales about Hamas this or that you're sadly mistaken. Neither u nor Israel can make any claims about the number or the nature of the casualties Israel inflicted since unlike other people, u never went on the ground to Gaza and did an investigation
And yeah 'Breaking the Silence' includes Israeli soldiers' testimony from Operation Cast Lead smh
@Kreplach8 And if you Zionists think you're going to improve your image by lying about or denying the damage Israel did in its illegal gratuitous Operation Cast lead you're wrong It only makes you look worse makes you look like bigger monsters than you already are for perpetrating the massacre in the first place
@Kreplach8 Hamas ridden stats That's a laugh. Why don't you prove that one? Prove the multiple NGOs 80% figure is Hamas ridden smh?
Show you a map? Why should I do your homework for you? the damage from Cast Lead is well documented Anyone with a genuine interest in the subject merely has to do an internet search to find out for themselves how much damage Israel did to Gaza eg destruction/damage to hospitals schools roads businesses farms homes etc etc It's all there. You just have to look
@Kreplach8 Your photos prove nothing They're just selected for Israeli propaganda They don't represent the situation in Gaza The only way to know the situation in Gaza is not to look at selected photos but to go there and study the situation first hand like others have unlike Zionists including multiple NGOs and independent investigators, and to listen to the Palestinians themselves obviously whose word is good to anyone but a Zionist, but that's because Zionism is racism (among other things)
@Kreplach8 But let's say there is such a thing as a Palestinian suicide bomber for the sake of argument You have to ask why you Zionists keep trying to hide the context for these alleged suicide bombings The answer's simple because it robs the Zionists of their propaganda point of the crazed Arab looking to commit violence for the sake of violence. Truth is that any Palestinian suicide bombing is self defence against Israel and it ongoing gratuitous brutalization of the Palestinians
@Kreplach8 What Palestinian suicide bombers? There's no such thing as a Palestinian suicide bomber. That's a total myth. Please provide hard evidence of any Palestinian suicide bomber I mean evidence now not hearsay not unsubstantiated unverifiable and conflicting accounts of claims of responsibility repeated in Zionist media that the IDF controls btw look up the headline 'Israel Censor Wielding Great Power', or convictions in kangaroo courts. I mean investigations trials forensics etc
@Kreplach8 cont not to mention Israel's demolition of some 24000 Palestinian homes since 1967, its ongoing ethnic cleansing, its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade which includes frequent violent incursions into Gaza on any pretext Israel dreams up, the hundreds of warrantless gratuitous hours, sometimes days long, checkpoints, the illegal imprisonment of some 7000 Palestinians including hundreds of children many of whom Israel tortures including the children, etc etc
@Kreplach8 And if you're going to go by track records as the standard for letting people arm then Israel will never be allowed to arm with its documented track record of murdering-maiming-wounding innocents cont
@Kreplach8 And as you keep avoiding it is impossible to justify punishing innocents for the crimes of others That's called collective punishment and that's what Israel's illegal gratuitous Gaza blocked is and just in case you forgot men swung from the gallows at Nuremburg for the crime of collective punishment
@Kreplach8 And as you keep avoiding you don't know who's firing the rockets and no one will until there's investigations and fair trials So stop accusing the Pals of the rockets attacks They could easily be fired by any of the thousands of Israeli collaborators/agents in Gaza. And as you keep avoiding they are self-defence agaisnt Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade and ongoing assaults on Gaza like right now the IDF is invading Gaza with bulldozers
@Kreplach8 No Israel doesn't lift its illegal blockade because its blockade is gratuitous meant to hurt the Palestinians eg the Olmert adviser saying ti was to put them on a diet and as the Gisha documents show it's not about security You don't want to deal with the Gisha documents but I'm going to keep bringing them up cont
@Kreplach8 And btw who the F#K are the Israelis to impose a crushing blockade on entire people and their civilization? There's no justification for that NONE. If you have a security concern a REAL one and not one engineered by Israel then you deal with it rationally and humanely You don't make 1.5 million innocents pay for the alleged actions of a tiny handful
You look really good Israel keeping 1.5 million innocents locked up like caged animals having to go to their cage's bars just get food
@Kreplach8 cont It's called self defence , self defence against Israel illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade. If Israel wants to remove the danger of bomb attacks (from Palestinians and not Israeli agents/collaborators) it need only lift its blockade.
You can't honestly maintain blockade that reduces an entire society to squalor and charity cases on the basis of 'could' that's massively disproportionate and in fact it's illegal It's called collective punishment
@Kreplach8 You can't just impose a tyrannical standard like could on an entire population and use it to make their lives miserable. It's called collective punishment. If the possibility exists that someone will use an ingredient like fertilizer to make bombs well tough Deal with it. The reason someone might make a bomb and use it against Israel is Israel's fault in the first place cont
@Kreplach8 No I don't know. The tiny list of items, about 2 dozen or so, Israel allows in proves the blockade isn't about security as does the Gisha documents. And if you're going to use 'could' as your standard then you can't let anything in. Oh right that's pretty much what Israel's doing now
@Kreplach8 Don't be ridiculous smh It's well documented that Israel lets only a fraction of the supplies needed for Palestinians in Gaza to survive That's why 60% of Palestinians in Gaza suffer food insecurity and 80%rely on NGOs for the bare minimum basics. That's why there's all the NGOs in there for Pete's sake, trying to prevent the Palestinians from starving
@Kreplach8 And speaking of context for these alleged Palestinian rocket attacks why don't you tell us about the pre1948 history of Ashkelon and Sderot? Hint: Ethnic cleansing
@Kreplach8 And as usual you avoid the context for the rocket attacks trying to make its seem as tho they're just random irrational acts of violence by the Palestinians The truth is these rockets - those actually fired by Palestinians and not Israeli agents/collaborators - are legitimate acts of self defence When you are attacked as Israel is attacking the Palestinians with its illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade you have the right to fight back. Tough one for Zionists I know but deal with it
@Kreplach8 Oh and there's this little detail of the authorship of these rocket attacks form Gaza You don't know who's firing some if not most of them There's a good chance these are Israeli false flags by Israel agents/collaborators Gaza's crawling with them
@Kreplach8 LOL Rockets raining down on Sderot and Ashkelon LOL Are you just posting this BS for the fun of it? I mean you're not serious about these pathetic little 5 0 Clock Charlies that the Palestinians can't even aim and that hardly do any damage esp compared to the massive damage Israel inflicts on the Palestinians gratuitously with its massive state of the art 4thlargest military in the world This is a joke right?
@Kreplach8 Tell me why is Israel allowed to arm itself and the Palestinians aren't? It sure looks racist to me. I can just hear you Zionists squealing if the Palestinians were to impose a crushing illegal blockade on Israel like you do to Gaza.
You know this is pure vicious racism on the art of Israel. It could end this nightmare that it created and sustains right now by lifting its illegal gratuitous blockade and going to the peace table but it doesn't and there's no reason but racism for it
@Kreplach8 And who the f*k is Israel to try and stop weapons into Gaza? What gives Israel that right? every nation every people on earth are entitled to arm themselves But not the Palestinians? I guess you Zionists want them to be helpless lambs waiting for you to butcher maim and wound them whenever you feel like inflicting another round of terror on a helpless population of innocents like you did in Cast Lead and last week to name just a couple examples
@Kreplach8 Yes there is something illegal about stopping weapons flow if you're doing it with an illegal gratuitous blockade which is really just intended as collective punishment as Israel admits since we know it's not about security and it's about putting the Palestinians on a diet as Olmert's adviser admits and since as we know Israel tightened it severely in response to 44%of the Palestinians electing a Hamas majority which all makes it pretty obvious it's illegal
@Kreplach8 Don't give me the double speak . Yes they do contradict Israel's alleged reasons because unless you don't have ANY clue in this debate the point of stopping weapons is to maintain security. You don't get that? The blockade isn't about weapons The Israeli documents show you that. Besides the blockade can't stop weapons They'll come in one way or another The blockade is collective punishment Its about hurting the Palestinians, putting them on a diet as Olmert's adviser admitted
@Kreplach8 And let's stop with the preconditions about Hamas before you even get to the peace table. You Zionists are in no position to make demands of anyone. You started this You created this mess You made your bed You sleep in it. If you don't like Hamas or some statement of theirs well that's tough You should have thought about that before you invaded Palestine and began your brutalization of the Palestinians
@Kreplach8 My guess is Hamas or whoever represents the Palestinians will make whatever concessions necessary in order to get to a just and peaceful 1 or 2 state solution That's the way they've been in the past at peace negotiations unlike Israel who continues its brutalities against the Palestinians even as negotiations proceed
But you Zionists are going to have to quit the violence and brutalization of the Palestinians & actually want peace and stop going on and on about your straw man Hamas
@Kreplach8 Here's some Israeli respect for equal rights between Israelis and Arabs: “A dual system of law discriminates between Jewish Israelis and indigenous Palestinians based on a constructed status of 'Jewish nationality'. This prejudicial application of law is apparent in all processes of the legal system, from the rights to information and fair trial to detention and prison treatment.” Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. 5
@Kreplach8 And spare me the BS about your straw man Hamas and its charter Gee I find it so surprising they don't have much love for Israel after all the death and suffering Israel's inflicted on the Palestinians and how surprising they want an Islamic state And Israel doesn't want a Jewish state? Israel right now has no regard for the rights of its Arab Arab citizens Hamas has said they accept the 67 borders
@Kreplach8 I have to say I can't believe you brought up equal rights in the context of Israel I mean do you keep with current events or history at all? You have no idea obviously the crimes/injustices Israel perpetrates agaisnt Palestinians and its Arab citizens smh
@Kreplach8 Straw man Hamas again. No Israel has to come to the peace table honestly and negotiate a peaceful settlement that's fair to the Palestinians instead of these joke offers they've made in the past and they have to stop their illegal settlement expansions and other brutalities agaisnt the Palestinians eg bombing Palestinians while they're at the peace talks. And Israel can start towards peace by treating its own Arab citizens like human beings and lifting its Gaza blockade
@Kreplach8 No actually when Israel becomes a moral nation and not run by a bunch of thugs then Israel will stop its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and then the rockets will stop whoever is firing them
@Kreplach8 cont It's also unjust to destroy the farms because it's possible whoever is firing the rockets are doing so against the farmers' will and as I said before it's possible the people firing the rockets are Israeli agents/collaborators That's why you have to be civilized and use due process have an investigation and fair trials and other rational legal means to respond to the rockets
@Kreplach8 A lot of Israel's destruction of Palestinian crops is along the border with Israel in Israel's illegal buffer zone and elsewhere in Gaza. You nor Israel have any proof the farms are being used by whoever is firing the rockets and it is illegal to punish people without due process and destroying the farms is gratuitous because that won't stop the rockets To stop the rockets you would arrest the people firing the rockets if you had probable cause, not destroy entire farms cont
@Kreplach8 LOL at you Zionists' boogeyman Hamas LOL As tho they represent a threat to Israel at all. They have nothing except obsolete rifles and pathetic little home made rockets while Israel has state of the art 4th largest military in the world backed by world superpower the US and Israel controls almost all of Gaza while Hamas controls none of Israel SMH and you want to be taken seriously?
@Kreplach8 Yeah actually there is a defence agaisnt rockets fired from Gaza (those that aren't fired by Israeli agents). Israel can lift its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and end this nightmare now
Hamas might target civilians to the extent it is firing any rockets into Israel (which we don't know for sure) But let's get real It's Israel who targets civilians It's Israel who applies massive firepower to civilian areas Not Hamas Just look at Cast Lead - 4500 innocents killed-wounded-maimed
@Kreplach8 I'll tell you something, if you Zionists want to be taken seriously you'll stop this BS about the tiny little rockets from Gaza and stop your mass murder and mass wounding of Palestinians and destruction of infrastructure and livelihoods in Gaza not to mention lifting your illegal gratuitous blockade
Just a reminder Gaza, unlike Israel, has no army no navy no air force while Israel has a state of the art 4th largest military in the word backed by the world superpower US. So spare me
@Kreplach8 And of course you Zionists never say why there are rockets from Gaza. That's because context is problematic for you Zionists. But let's be clear Israel illegal vicious gratuitous blockase is the reason any real Palestinian, and not Israel agent/collaborator, fires rockets into Israel
an spare me on the rockets as tho they're dangerous Those pathetic little firecrackers are almost laughable esp compared to the damage Israel can and does do with its massive state of the art military
@Kreplach8 You don't know what Hamas's strategy is. They're just trying to survive the illegal gratuitous Israeli Gaza blockade and help the Palestinians in in Gaza
Any strategy by Hamas involving violence is self defence which, to everyone but Zionists, is a natural right an action to which you are entitled, a right which every person on the planet enjoys.
@Kreplach8 You have no idea who's firing at least some if not most of those rockets. Hamas has come out repeatably against them. Fatah and Hamas have many times denied responsibility Israel admitted Hamas hams fired none during the cease fire in 20008 that Israel broke. And in any case the only way to know for sure is to have a full investigation. That way we can be sure we know who it is There's a good chance most of them are the work of the thousands of Israeli agents/collaborators in Gaza
@Kreplach8 You also have a problem in that, as Gisha's lawsuit revealed, the stated goal of the Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is to reduce Palestinians to near starvation levels. Look up the title "Israeli Government Documents Show Deliberate Policy To Keep Gazans At Near-starvation Levels"
and don't forget this gem from Olmert's adviser 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,'
@Kreplach8 the shopping malls tell you nothing about the humanitarian situation in Gaza Geez Prisons have pools libraries, hospitals gyms theaters etc It doesn't mean they're nice or safe or that the inmates are free. Any mall sure doesn't help the 80% of Gazans who rely on NGos for survival, the 45% unemployed, the people in refugee camps. It doesn't repair the Israeli destroyed power plant, sewage system, water system, and thousands of schools, hospitals, factories businesses homes etc etc
@Kreplach8 Most of that food is black market and consequently too expensive for most Gazans. You'd know that if you bothered to do any looking into this issue.
@Kreplach8 Dude Your videos aren't proof of much. They're very selective for one thing. They don't show the squalor in many prats of Gaza including the dozens and dozens of bombed out parts off Gaza not to mention the refugee camps in Gaza. As I said there markets have food, some of them ,but most Gazans can't afford the food. 80% of them rely on NGOs for survival 60% don't have food security. 45% are unemployed. This info is all available in many reports on the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
Cont As a result, nearly 90% of Gaza's 4000 fishermen are now considered either poor (with a monthly income of between 100 and 190 US dollars) or very poor (earning less than 100 dollars a month), up from 50% in 2008. In their struggle to survive, the fishermen have little choice but to sail into no-go zones, at the risk of being shot by the Israeli navy
Because everybody knows Palestinian fishermen earning a living is a grave threat to Israel's security smh
Here’s an excerpt from the Red Cross report on Israel's illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade. This from the section addressing the adverse impacts Israel’s blockade has on Palestinian fishermen:
Gaza's fishermen have been greatly affected by successive reductions imposed by Israel on the size of the fishing grounds they are allowed to exploit. The latest restriction to three nautical miles has cut down both the quantity and quality of the catch. Cont
Cont. An estimated 178,000 people are directly affected. Boundaries of the restricted areas are highly arbitrary and enforced by live fire: 6 civilians have been killed (2 of them children) and 57 injured (10 of them children) by Israeli fire in the buffer zone since the ‘easing’ of the blockade
Here's another excerpt from Dashed Hopes regarding Israel's illegal Gaza buffer zone:
- Access to around 35% of Gaza’s farmland and 85% of maritime areas for fishing remains restricted by the Israeli ‘buffer zone’, with devastating impact on the economy and people’s rights and livelihoods. Cont
@Kreplach8 And If you're so worried about material that can be used to make bombs why don't you be consistent and insist we impose a blockade on Israel? They're getting lots of material to make not just bombs but tanks, guns, ammunition, missiles etc. They're also getting lots of state of the art weaponry from the U.S. Why don't you want to stop potential weapons materials imports to Israel and arms imports from the US to Israel with a (crushing) blockade of Israel?
Funny how Israel can immediately end this entire Gaza tragedy that they're causing by lifting its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade but doesn't I wonder why? I guess it's because they want to inflict the war crime of collective punishment on the Palestinians. It is a war crime by the way. Israel is not entitled to self defence as occupying power. But if Israel were, it would have to go after ONLY those who were allegedly firing the rocket. Israel could not harm ANYONE ELSE as it does now
@Kreplach8 The incredible harm Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade does to the Palestinians is not only not open to debate, it's now news. Back in 2008 Mary Robinson Former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and President of Ireland said after a recent trip to Gaza that things were WORSE the than in her last visit to Gaza in 2000: "Their whole civilisation has been destroyed, I'm not exaggerating," ... "a shocking violation of so many human rights"
@Kreplach8 Hamas thugs? That's a joke OK some of them are But you've got to be kidding me If Hamas are thugs what does that make the Israelis whose security forces have killed 1315 Palestinian children since 2000, whose military-government impose a devastating gratuitous illegal Gaza blockade, killed wounded maimed 4500 innocents in Gaza 2008/09 including hundreds of children, and who holds thousands of Palestinians illegally in its dungeons including hundreds of children and tortures them??
@Kreplach8 Post all the Israeli propaganda you want. It doesn't hep you or Israel It isn't reality. None of it changes the FACTS on the ground as established by not just the Palestinians but by many independent organizations who unlike you and the Israelis have actually investigated the situation in Gaza and seen for themselves the damage Israel's blockade is doing to the Palestinians
@Kreplach8 Israel's Gaza blockade is not legal under international law. It is collective punishment and as such is a blatant violation of The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 which states clearly that it's illegal to punish innocents for the alleged crimes of others. Go to the ICRC and look for yourself at their statement on Israel's blockade The ICRC is considered the guardian of international law and unless you can prove otherwise their word on Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is final
@Kreplach8 The idea that Gaza is suffering from an obesity epidemic is utterly laughable, pure comedy. Has to be one of my favorite Hasbarat talking points. I'll ask you like I ask the other Hasbarats, what's your source? Making sure to mention of course the fact that 80% of Palestinians in Gaza rely on international aid agencies to survive
@Kreplach8 Yeah Gaza sure is brimming with food and tasty treats Just ask the 80% of them reliant on international aid agencies for survival smh
anti-Israel PR machine lol If it weren't for a relatively small internet based group of activists there would hardly be a peep heard about Palestine. Most of the western governments are silent or supportive of Israels destruction of Palestine Best you get is a tepid isolated criticism once on a while Rarely do you hear solid to the point criticism
@Kreplach8 And as I keep telling you, and you can't refute, the fact is those rockets from Gaza are self defence. Remember? When you are attacked esp by an overwhelmingly superior foe you are entitled to self defence In fact I would argue you are obligated to defend yourself. Israel on the other hand has no right to self defence as it is the occupying power AND could end the attacks (whoever's doing them) simply by lifting its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and negotiating a fair settlement
@Kreplach8 And no one is 'pummeling' Israel lol with rockets. What a laugh. The damage done by by those little home made rockets whoever is firing them is absolutely miniscule, especially compared to the damage Israel does day after day with its tanks missiles howitzers gunships etc etc not to mention its illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza
@Kreplach8 Funny the way you think you can just create reality by saying whatever you want always making sure to invoke your favorite little straw man, Hamas. No Hamas is trying to break the blockade, if it actually is, so the Palestinians can live a more human life and break out of the squalor Israel forces them to live in
It's true there is some oil off Gaza but that is a little known fact. The truth is the world is focused on Gaza because Israel is brutalizing it gratuitously and illegally
@Kreplach8 cont If you Zionists really want peace You'll lift your illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza and stop the rest of your brutalities of the Palestinians and start negotiating a 1 (or 2) state solution Sorry if you don't like the Palestinians, that they're not your favorite negotiating partners, but then you should have thought about that before you invaded stole and destroyed 90% of Palestine and instituted your systematic degradation and brutalization of the Palestinians
@Kreplach8 'Islamic policy' gimme a break As opposed to the Jewish policy of non-stop 24/7/365 brutalization of the Palestinians including Cast Lead 4500 innocents killed-maimed-wounded? You Zios go on about Islam this, Islam that smh Spare me. cont
@Kreplach8 No children usually die in fact almost always die from Israeli fire. Thanks for trying though It's Israel's gratuitous targeting of civilian areas with massive disproportionate firepower aka the "Dahiya Doctrine" that kills Palestinian children not Hamas firing near them Israel Israel has no right to fire on Gaza in the first place since it can't claim self defence as occupying power and can end all this simply by lifting its illegal gratuitous blockade on Gaza
@Kreplach8 Maybe if Hams would change its policy?: Is this a joke You don't punish innocents for the policy a few people. And what about Israel's awful treatment of its Arab citizens? You gonna breeze by that? Oh so terrorism is terrorizing civilians to change policy You mean like one of Israel's stated justifications of its illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza that it was in response to the Palestinians electing Hamas
@Kreplach8 If I can't prove anything with all the independent investigations by experts and the words of the Palestinians themselves than brother you can't prove the nose on your racist face smh
What's you best evidence that Hamas kills Palestinian children and what's your best evidence Hamas kills more children than Israel I mean evidence not you saw it in a photo somewhere
@Kreplach8 You want proof of Israel's killing of children go look at the B'Tselm report and/or any of the other reports on Cast lead issued by a number of organizations. Unlike you and the Israelis they actually investigated the slaughter. People should check out the report by Defence For Children's International on the children Israel murdered Look also at the report by the National lawyers guild or Arab League which was done by an esteemed panel of jurists including Professor John Dugard
@Kreplach8 You have absolutely no proof any of the innocent Palestinians Israel killed were fighting for Hamas. In fact there was barely any fighting you need only read the testimony of he soldiers 'Breaking the Silence' to see that the place was almost deserted and the insane amounts of firepower Israel used against non-military targets.
@Kreplach8 There is no 10/11 report. And spare me with the rockets. Those pathetic little obsolete rockets. Those firecrackers are nothing, do almost no damage compared to the damage the state of the art weapons Israel uses to kill wound maim thousands of Palestinians and destroy Palestinian infrastructure routinely including Cast Lead in which Israel murdered some 1400 innocents in Palestine and wounded another 4000 including hundreds of children + major damage to schools hospitals roads etc
@Kreplach8 And if the Palestinians have it so good in Gaza why do 80% of them rely on international agencies for every day needs including food Again all documented not selective alleged photos but documented as a result of investigations not cherry picking photos While we're talking about photos of Palestine shall I show you photos of the Israeli imposed squalor in Palestine Shall we start with the refugee camps or maybe some of the areas bombed out by Israel
@Kreplach8 I already debunked you on this Those photos prove nothing You can't prove they do. They are selective they represent only a tiny element of the Gaza economy Vast swathes of Gaza are in Israeli imposed squalor all documented by the Palestinians themselves and multiple NGOs who unlike you don't look at photos but actually do investigations And as I said most of those markets are stocked with black market food brought thru the tunnels which most Gazans can't afford
@Kreplach8 Why doesn't Israel lift its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and treat the Palestinians like human beings and negotiate a fair 1 state solution? There is NO excuse for Israel's crimes against the Palestinins
And spare me the BS about the weapons hypocrite Israel is allowed to arm itself - state of the art 4th largest military in the world but the Palestinians aren't? Oh and Israel's fully backed by the world's superpower. But no weapons for Palestinians? You got to be joking right?
@Kreplach8Actually Israel allows none or almost none of the above You can't prove it does. It is wel documented outside of this thread that Israel allows almost no basic need items in to Gaza not medicine not for rebuilding not food not school supplies meat etc.
And if basically anything including medicine food spices crayons and books can be used to make weapons why let anything in at all?
And btw what gives Israel the right to blockade Gaza at all?
@Kreplach8 Israel does not allow much of the above in fact it allows almost none of the above or in tiny vastly insufficient quantities Again not you but anyone can go look all this up for themselves starting with the multiple reports I listed here. If you think you're making it better for yourself or Israel here by denying reality, dude you got another thing coming
Yeah right weapons ccan be made of pasta jam crayons and coriander etc smh
@Kreplach8 Oh no now you're quoting Egyptian journalists. Which ones? What's their sources? smh The alleged Egyptian journalists can call it what they want they' are wrong. IN fact if that's what they're saying they're not journalist they're Zionist mouthpieces They have no evidence They're contradicted by not just Palestinians but by the multiple independent aid and human rights agencies and their multiple reports done by ACTUALLY investigating the situation in GAZA
@Kreplach8 I really don't care what you think but anyone else can go look up these reports forthemselves and see the cruelties Israel is inflicting on the Palestinians:
The Gaza Strip: A Humanitarian Implosion
Dashed Hopes: Continuation of the Gaza Blockade
Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses
Gaza closure: not another year!
There are more of course I could start listing the multiple investigations by Israeli human rights monitor B'Tselm
@Kreplach8 I really don't care what the Israeli say they've been doing. The only thing that matters is the state of the Palestinians which is unacceptable and caused directly by the Israelis You can put everything in quotations if you want but you haven't proven anything by it Any one can go read the reports by multiple intentional including Israeli agencies about to the suffering Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is inflicting on the Palestinians
@Kreplach8 In any case nothing changes the fact that Israel's Gaza blockade is illegal and gratuitous You need only look at the long list of basic need items and food Israel does not allow in to know that Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza has nothing to do with security and everything to do with suffering
@Kreplach8 The documents Gisha obtained were not 'internal planning work' putting that and anything else in quotations doesn't help you, doesn't make it true. The documents Gisha obtained were policy papers Not you but anyone else can go to McCLatchy or Gisha and see for themselves.
If you have any REAL documentation to contradict those documents please furnish me with them here
@Kreplach8 Of course you never heard of Israel destroying Palestinian crops. But anyone else who has taken oh about 1 minute to look into this issue can see for themselves that Israel frequently destroys Palestinian crops, water supplies, orchards, farms etc. Not you of course but anyone else go look it up and see for themselves documented in many places
The alleged rockets are self defence If Israel wants them to stop it merely has to lift its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade
@Kreplach8 Your hasbara is desperate. You need only read the multiple reports from multiple independent NGOs who unlike you and Israel have actually done the necessary work of being ion the ground and compiling the data themselves in addition to the multiple reports by the Palestinians themselves that Israel has imposed food shortages. Your claim that Hamas controls the UNRWA is laughable You can't even begin to prove that one LOL
@Kreplach8 I never said the Palestinians were starving. I said 60% don't have food security and 80% of them rely on international aid and that it was th stated goal of the Zionists to put the Palestinians on a diet. Bravo Israel smh
@Kreplach8 If Israel really wants to stop the alleged attacks from Gaza by Palestinians it need only lift its illegal gratuitous blockade and negotiate a fair 1 state solution guaranteeing the Palestinians full and equal rights within that state
@Kreplach8 The rockets from Gaza to the extent that re fired by Palestinians not Israeli collaborationist are acts of self defence Sorry to break it to Zionists but when you impose a crushing illegal gratuitous blockae on Innocnets and attack them gratuitously you are liable to get something back Only in Zioland is self defense a right reserved on to Israel And Israel has no tight to self defence as they are the occupying power
@Kreplach8 The alleged rockets raining down on Israel are probable Israeli false flags Gaza has lots of Israeli collaborators. If it is Palestinians they a don't represent the Palestinians as a whole since those firing the rockets can't total more than a few dozen out of a population of 1.5 million If it is not be a war crime or crime against humanity any Action Israel takes against the rockets must be directed at those who are firing the rockets and can not hurt those not firing the rockets
@Kreplach8 Any alleged Gazans saying they heave enough food are either the 20% that are not food insecure or Israeli collaborators. Their alleged testimony deos not, nor can it, disprove the documented impoverishment and squalor Israel is inflicting on the Palestinians gratuitously an illegally
@Kreplach8 Your videos don't show anything. For one thing they are very selective and out of context and are supported by no hard data. The work done on the ground by multiple independent organizations provides the hard data anyone needs to know Israel is is brutalizing the Palestinians in Gaza
@kreplach3 Oh and if Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is to stop weapons then why won’t Israel allow in medical equipment, spare parts, building materials necessary to rebuild the health-care infrastructure Israel destroyed in its 2008/09 butchery aka Cast Lead or allow in the supplies needed to rebuild Gaza's sewage system. How does barring the export of almost all goods from Gaza keep weapons out of Gaza? How does preventing repair of Gaza power station Israel destroyed prevent weapons?
@kreplach3 Why did you say Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade was to stop weapons when I specifically mentioned the Israeli documents that admit Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade isn't about security???
@kreplach3 What do you think of Israel importing weapons but not allowing the Palestinians to import weapons? That seem fair to you? Define Terrorism. Define Self defence. If Israel can import weapons, why can't the Palestinians? Mention Cast Lead where Israel murdered 1400 innocents including hundreds of children and wounded-maimed 3000 more innocents including hundreds more children. Mention B'Tselm's investigation which revealed that Israel has killed 1305 Palestinian children since 2000
@kreplach3 And Israel's illegal blockade is not to stop weapons The Israelis admitted in court that the blockade is not to stop weapons, not for security. Israeli human rights group Gisha sued the Israeli government successfully for documents that revealed the illegal Israeli blockade is a form of economic warfare agaisnt Hamas and not about security. Do an internet search for the headline "Israeli document: Gaza blockade isn't about security"
@kreplach3 A lot of the food in markets is black market brought thru the tunnels and is too expensive for the average Palestinian. If it weren't for the NGOs the Palestinians would be in far worse shape. Not dead but as we know it wasn't the intention of the democratic peaceful Israelis to kill them all but to 'put the Palestinians on a diet' And of course the Israelis make sure the Palestinians can't take care of their own basic needs by destroying the Palestinians' crops farms & water systems
@kreplach3 'stores in Gaza are full of food' smh That's pure Hasbara nonsense The stores in Gaza are not full of food You can't prove they are. The stores are far from full of food There are widespread food shortages. The Israelis don't let in nearly enough food to feed the Palestinians i Gaza. That's why some 60% of Palestinians in Gaza don't have food security Some 11% of Palestinian children suffer chronic malnutrition.
Israel's blockade of Gaza is just more proof that Israel's the only democracy in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter. Oh and in case you missed it, esp for Ziotrolls Israel admits the blockade isn't about security. As reported by McClatchy, Israeli Human Rights Group Gisha sued the Israeli government and got documents stating clearly that the blockade was not a security measure but an offensive tactic specifically it was a from of economic warfare aimed at Hamas.
Careful..this kreplach 'creature' likes to stalk , threaten & troll people..then clone your account - He's krepach2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, aka alan8653, also MAndrewMagee - His real name is Alan Abramowitz, he's never been to Israel and exists on the welfare provided from US Tax payers
@FFPaleSWlNE No its Andrew Magee who stalks trolls and harasses everybody. Watch my videos to see! He is even impersonating my cousin Alan Abramowitz!@!! See youtube/user/AlanAbramowitz
@kreplach3 Wow. You're completely insane. Do you even know what a Nazi is, or is it just another label you use when describing anyone who disagrees with you? What have I said that makes me a Nazi? Also, did I ASK you to do research for me? No. Google 'Israel supports Mumbarak' FOR YOURSELF. My Libya comment is just a more recent example of the corrupt Israeli government. I'm sure it won't change your distorted perception of reality. Final thought- ☺and Nazi in the same sentence? REALLY???
@kreplach3 ... I could quote a plethora of other articles, but I'm sure someone as knowledgeable as yourself can find them if you take the time to do a little research instead of 'jumping to conclusions'. Now go argue with someone less intelligent because I'm DONE.
@kreplach3 From presstv .ir, 02 Mar 2011: Israeli arms distribution company Global CST has reportedly, under the authorization of Tel Aviv, provided Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi with African mercenaries to clamp down on anti-government protesters. Egyptian sources have revealed that the Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi's regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya...
@kreplach3 What do you suggest people do? Nothing? Why do you have to put labels on everything? Calling KO 'biased' seems extremely hypocritical of you. In fact, you bring nothing to the table except hatred and ignorance. Just give up because people aren't buying into your propaganda.
IF I RAN THE WORLD - #1: 1st action: Order the nullification of the Balfour Declaration, order "Israeli" nuclear weapons facilities & military bases seized by surprise MASSIVE force, invasion. 2nd action: Move every single so-called "jew" from Palestinian soil, sending them back to their countries of origin apologizing to what remains of the Palestinian people, hand them their country back, shower them with aid. Next? I would arrest ALL criminal world leaders & try them as world TRAITORS!!!
The presence of trolls is a good indication that your efforts are worthwhile. People sowing the seeds of division are, fake Palestinian/Arabs or not, serve only the interests of the tyrants. Some are stupid, some are paid. I have family here in Palestine, my obligation is to them and to my conscience. Nothing will change that.
Hey Good work Ken Btw don't listen to these NSA trolls there all fake or paid trolls to turn people down with nothing better to do in there life keep on moving because lots of people needs your help just keep your eyes open the CIA uses honest people to do there dirty work!
@HelenBransgrove21 We know that. But Mubarak is gone and there is a new reality on the ground. Very few Palestinians and Egyptians supported this march. The issue is no longer btwn the Palestinians and a dictator; it's btwn the Palestinians and the Egyptians and we get along really fine with our Egyptian brothers. The fact that there were no buses at KFC or even anybody to welcome the 3 people from Malta should tell you that we Arabs don't like foreigners meddling in our affairs.
The critical thing for Israel and America thus is to support someone who isn't necessarily the most pro-West or pro-Israel, but who is most likely to make Egypt a better nation. Unfortunately when it comes to foreign policy, the US and Israel have always lead support to pro-west stooge over someone who is more capable but less friendly towards the west.
flumoxed2 10 months ago
We all know that Israel's a freer country in terms of allowing criticism than Israel and its rich, far-right Jewish backers in America, allow AMERICA to be. But American support is, after all, much more crucial to Israel's survival than mere Israeli support. Who cares if the politically insignificant liberal minority of Israelis criticizes Likud? What counts is the American Israel Lobby's success in controlling the media representations of Israel HERE.
flumoxed2 10 months ago
I can see why Israel is worried, or perhaps simply angry at the light it shines directly on them and their singularly horrific, internationally condemned, illegal, violently enforced colonial settler program, and the decades of misery and terror that it has wrought.
flumoxed2 10 months ago
Mubarek: Brutally repressed his own arab people for decades, ruling with with an iron fist, allowing only meager rights while employing draconian measures to maintain "order".
Israel: Brutally repressed it's arab people for decades, ruling with an Iron fist, allowing........
flumoxed2 10 months ago
Israel are masters at PR and spin, but there is only so much damage control one can do when one commits war crimes and mass murder.
It does not matter what the Israelis do while they insist on maintaining the occupation, ethnic cleansing, mass murder and collective punishment.
>> It is a convenient way to hate Jews without appearing to be anti-Jewish.
There's no hatred of Jews involved, though historically, it has provided moral cover for immoral policies.
flumoxed2 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Name one report of teenagers Hamas recruited to fight.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 cont More reports for you
- Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories - Amnesty International Report 2010
- War Crimes Against Children
- Operation Cast Lead: 352 children killed
- Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses A report one year after Operation Cast Lead
- ISRAEL/GAZA OPERATION ‘CAST LEAD’: 22 DAYS OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION
- Gaza closure: not another year!
- ICAHD 24,813 Palestinian homes/structures demolished since 1967
Need any more? I got more..
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Here are some reports for you to read on Israel's brutalization of the Palestinians:
- The Gaza Strip: A Humanitarian Implosion
- Report of the Independent Fact Finding Committee On Gaza: No Safe Place.
- Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses A report one year after Operation Cast Lead
-THE IMPACT OF THE BLOCKADE ON WATER AND SANITATION IN GAZA
- Dashed Hopes Continuation of the Gaza Blockade
- East Jerusalem Key Humanitarian Concerns (cont)
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The salt in the water is coming from aquifers on the Mediterranean Einstein. If Israel would lift its illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade and let the equipment in the Palestinians need to rebuild their water infrastructure that Israel destroyed the water in Gaza would become drinkable again
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 NO actually I think the international community should impose a blockade on Israel Fair is fair and if Israel gets to impose a blockade to keep weapons out of Gaza then it's only fair that a blockade be imposed on Israel to make sure no weapons get in to Israel And if anyone should be disarmed god knows its Israel with its ongoing destruction of Palestine which accomplish without its military.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Here you go Unlike you many people have investigated Israel's destruction of Gaza here are some reports for you that describe Israel's damage/destruction of Gaza farmland (among other things):
Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses A report one year after Operation Cast Lead
- Dashed Hopes
-The Gaza Strip: A Humanitarian Implosion
-No Safe Place
-Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories - Amnesty International Report 2010
note search for 'agriculture' too
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The fishing areas are on the coast off of Gaza Einstein. And all you have to do is look up Israel's destruction of Palestinian farms to see many of them they are along the border I really don't know what you think you're going to gain by denying the physical location of the farms in Gaza I guess you think the ICRC has no idea where anything is in Gaza? If it's really important to you do a internet search for 'Gaza farmland border' Israel's destruction of Gaza farms is well documented
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You haven't replied to one yet
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You have no evidence of Palestinian fishermen smuggling in weapons If you do, let's see it
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Please provide documentation of the Multiple NGOS in Gaza being controlled by Hamas
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Please provide documentation of UNRWA being manned by Hamas agents
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Her's a rel solution for problems in Gaza Israel immediately lifts its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade and accepts the Palestinians preferably in a 1 state solution where the Palestinians have equal rights
And whatever your point is here You don't punish people for their opinions and Gee I wonder why a Palestinian might feel negatively about Jews after all the death and suffering Jews have inflicted on Palestinians?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 No you look at a map and you'll see that a lot of Gaza's farmland runs along the border
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Prove 'civilians' getting killed are mostly Hamas. And you're so out of it you don't realize a civilian is not a combatant smh Unless you think Hamas politicians are getting killed then that's just more Israeli murders
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You have no proof whatsoever of any Palestinian fisherman smuggling weapons. In any case fair is fair if Israel gets to have weapons so do the Palestinians. Being armed isn't a right exclusive to Zionists dude
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 LOL Sure they're accidents They're always accidents. Israel keeps attacking Gaza and keeps killing wounding Palestinians and it's just a coincidence that they keep killing wounding maiming Palestinians
You have no proof (as usual) Hamas is firing rockets near the border and Israel has no right to make innocents suffer and die for the rockets regardless of who's firing them That's evil That's no better than the Nazis
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Yeah Israel brings in caravans of food all right. That's why there's all those NGOs in Gaza making sure the Palestinians don't starve That's why the Palestinians dig tunnels to bring food into Gaza because 'Israel brings in huge caravans of food' Dude you really are a joke.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Cite one credible report, by name, of prosperity in Gaza
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 We've already been thru this. The markets, some of them, do have food in them The issue is the prices The food costs too much for most Palestinians and that's because Israel's illegal admittedly gratuitous blocked keeps most Palestinians in a state of squalor. One more time 60% of Palestinians in Gaza are food insecure. 80% are reliant on NGOs to survive and 40-50 of Palestinians in Gaza are unemployed all due to Israel's illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The UN reports aren't laughable The might be a little to lightly worded on Israel's crimes but they're not laughable
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Israel is bound by the 4th Geneva convention whether Israel likes it or not. Going on about your favorite straw man Hams doesn't absolve Israel of its responsibilities under international law
If it is Hamas attacking Israel it's an act of self defence
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The only joke here is your reply to each of my comments
The 1305 Palestinian children Israel has killed figure comes from BTselem like I already told you. Unlike you BTselem don't look at preselected photos They actually do investigations
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You just keep making stuff up hoping someone besides you will think its real. Robinson did no such thing She took a full tour of Gaza. Prove she only looked a battle area You think she's so stupid she didn't know where she was?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I've already 'explained' Israel's brutalization of the Palestinians eg its well documented illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade, ongoing gratuitous military Gaza invasions which leave Palestinians dead and wounded more businesses farms destroyed, 24000 home demolitions, ethnic cleansing, settler violence, destroying Palestinian water supplies, orchards, terrorizing Gaza fishermen, hundreds of hours sometimes days long warrantless checkpoints, its murderous Cast Lead etc etc
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 But please I can't resist What's your version of history? The Palestinians just gave their land to the Zionists and walked away leaving their culture and history and cities towns homes farms mosques etc all behind never to return and/or live in wretched refugee camps?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 This is all documented history Of course Israelis stole Palestine Briefly, After the Zios started with waves of immigration to Palestine aand buying land They escalated to a full fledged terror campaign in 1948 at the UN partition and ethnically cleansed much of Palestine and continue to to so to this day You can read Dr Ilan Pappe's 'The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine' for more on this including how the Zios planned their terror campaign agaisnt the Palestinians in 1948
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 LOL now you're trying to rewrite history. Dude anyone with half a mind knows the Zionists invaded Palestine and stole 90% of it. You only have to look at maps of Palestine over the last 100 years to see how its disappeared. You only have to read Herzl and other Zionists to ow stealing Palestine the intention form the get-go cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Israelis don't want to accept Hamas as equals Just look at how they already treat their Arab citizens in Israel loo at how Israelis make Palestinians pay with its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade because they voted for Hamas
In my opinion only a 1 state solution will work Palestinians are already under Israeli rule It's just a matter of Israel giving them equal rights. Israel's illegal war crime settlements (among other things) have made a 2 state solution impossible
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Pathetic rockets fired randomly in general directions are all the Palestinians have. Under international law and natural law they are entitled to defend themselves against Israel's crushing blockade and other attacks
If Israel wants the tiny rockets to stop (assuming its really Palestinians firing them and not Israeli agents/collaborators) it just has to lift its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 No one agrees that Israel has the right to inflict collective punishment on the Palestinians Collective punishment isn't self defence It's war crime and that is exactly what Israel is doing with its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade and other violence against Gaza eg destruction of Palestinian farms military incursions terrorizing shooting fisherman air strikes etc etc
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 If Israel wants to stop rockets it can not use excessive force and it can not punish innocents for the crimes of others in other words it can't inflict collective punishment as its doing now
And as the illegal occupying power Israel has no right to self defence. As occupying power Israel does however under international must protect the Palestinians and make sure their basic needs are met eg sanitation health food etc and it goes without saying Israel has done the exact opposite
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Palestinian children die when Israel bombs them and prevents them from getting medical attention outside of Gaza..
You're so full of Israeli propaganda. Prove Hams is hoping Israel will fire back in the vicinity of children
No actually the rockets are self defense If Israel wants to stop the rockets it only has to lift its illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 So what if there's infighting in Gaza? How does that bear on Israel's illegal admittedly gratuitous Gaza blockade?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You haven't proven anything except that Zionism is a brutal indefensible ideology of racism and lies
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Name one of these reports Where can I get it? Why are none of these reports to be found?
And speaking of Palestinian children when are you going to mention the BTselem report about the 1315 children Israel's terrorist security forces have killed since 2000 or the hundreds Israel killed in Cast Lead or the hundreds Israel keeps illegally in its dungeons? I mean that's if you're really concerned about Palestinian children and not just throwing them around to make fake political points
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 13th year of suicide bla bla bla. Israel's in its 73rd year of terrorism, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and 20th + year of its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Hams is a tiny minority of the population in Gaza They're a government like any other, well not any other they're certainly not as murderous and violent as Israel's or the US that's for sure
I already said there's no evidence of any Palestinian suicide bomber that's an Israeli myth If you have something beyond alleged unverifiable unsubstantiated conflicting admissions of responsibility please furnish us with it here
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Do you know how silly you look trying to act all scared and threatened by an imprisoned impoverished people and their pathetic little homemade obsolete weapons while you have a state of the art 4th largest military in the world and are backed by the worlds superpower?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I might sweat if one of those pathetic little home made rockets from Gaza came toward me in Najd (Sderot) But I can tell you I would run in fear for my life if an Israel rocket were coming at me. You know the modern state of the art Israeli rockets missiles shells etc with ten times the payload of the tiny rockets from Gaza that Israel uses to pound Gaza for no reason OH and unlike the little rockets from Gaza Israel's can b actually be aimed
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 These are all utterly unsubstantiated fairy tale numbers If you think you can make any headway here making up numbers out of thin air & fairy tales about Hamas this or that you're sadly mistaken. Neither u nor Israel can make any claims about the number or the nature of the casualties Israel inflicted since unlike other people, u never went on the ground to Gaza and did an investigation
And yeah 'Breaking the Silence' includes Israeli soldiers' testimony from Operation Cast Lead smh
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And if you Zionists think you're going to improve your image by lying about or denying the damage Israel did in its illegal gratuitous Operation Cast lead you're wrong It only makes you look worse makes you look like bigger monsters than you already are for perpetrating the massacre in the first place
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Hamas ridden stats That's a laugh. Why don't you prove that one? Prove the multiple NGOs 80% figure is Hamas ridden smh?
Show you a map? Why should I do your homework for you? the damage from Cast Lead is well documented Anyone with a genuine interest in the subject merely has to do an internet search to find out for themselves how much damage Israel did to Gaza eg destruction/damage to hospitals schools roads businesses farms homes etc etc It's all there. You just have to look
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Your photos prove nothing They're just selected for Israeli propaganda They don't represent the situation in Gaza The only way to know the situation in Gaza is not to look at selected photos but to go there and study the situation first hand like others have unlike Zionists including multiple NGOs and independent investigators, and to listen to the Palestinians themselves obviously whose word is good to anyone but a Zionist, but that's because Zionism is racism (among other things)
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 But let's say there is such a thing as a Palestinian suicide bomber for the sake of argument You have to ask why you Zionists keep trying to hide the context for these alleged suicide bombings The answer's simple because it robs the Zionists of their propaganda point of the crazed Arab looking to commit violence for the sake of violence. Truth is that any Palestinian suicide bombing is self defence against Israel and it ongoing gratuitous brutalization of the Palestinians
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 What Palestinian suicide bombers? There's no such thing as a Palestinian suicide bomber. That's a total myth. Please provide hard evidence of any Palestinian suicide bomber I mean evidence now not hearsay not unsubstantiated unverifiable and conflicting accounts of claims of responsibility repeated in Zionist media that the IDF controls btw look up the headline 'Israel Censor Wielding Great Power', or convictions in kangaroo courts. I mean investigations trials forensics etc
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 cont not to mention Israel's demolition of some 24000 Palestinian homes since 1967, its ongoing ethnic cleansing, its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade which includes frequent violent incursions into Gaza on any pretext Israel dreams up, the hundreds of warrantless gratuitous hours, sometimes days long, checkpoints, the illegal imprisonment of some 7000 Palestinians including hundreds of children many of whom Israel tortures including the children, etc etc
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And if you're going to go by track records as the standard for letting people arm then Israel will never be allowed to arm with its documented track record of murdering-maiming-wounding innocents cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And as you keep avoiding it is impossible to justify punishing innocents for the crimes of others That's called collective punishment and that's what Israel's illegal gratuitous Gaza blocked is and just in case you forgot men swung from the gallows at Nuremburg for the crime of collective punishment
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And as you keep avoiding you don't know who's firing the rockets and no one will until there's investigations and fair trials So stop accusing the Pals of the rockets attacks They could easily be fired by any of the thousands of Israeli collaborators/agents in Gaza. And as you keep avoiding they are self-defence agaisnt Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade and ongoing assaults on Gaza like right now the IDF is invading Gaza with bulldozers
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 No Israel doesn't lift its illegal blockade because its blockade is gratuitous meant to hurt the Palestinians eg the Olmert adviser saying ti was to put them on a diet and as the Gisha documents show it's not about security You don't want to deal with the Gisha documents but I'm going to keep bringing them up cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And btw who the F#K are the Israelis to impose a crushing blockade on entire people and their civilization? There's no justification for that NONE. If you have a security concern a REAL one and not one engineered by Israel then you deal with it rationally and humanely You don't make 1.5 million innocents pay for the alleged actions of a tiny handful
You look really good Israel keeping 1.5 million innocents locked up like caged animals having to go to their cage's bars just get food
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 cont It's called self defence , self defence against Israel illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade. If Israel wants to remove the danger of bomb attacks (from Palestinians and not Israeli agents/collaborators) it need only lift its blockade.
You can't honestly maintain blockade that reduces an entire society to squalor and charity cases on the basis of 'could' that's massively disproportionate and in fact it's illegal It's called collective punishment
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You can't just impose a tyrannical standard like could on an entire population and use it to make their lives miserable. It's called collective punishment. If the possibility exists that someone will use an ingredient like fertilizer to make bombs well tough Deal with it. The reason someone might make a bomb and use it against Israel is Israel's fault in the first place cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 No I don't know. The tiny list of items, about 2 dozen or so, Israel allows in proves the blockade isn't about security as does the Gisha documents. And if you're going to use 'could' as your standard then you can't let anything in. Oh right that's pretty much what Israel's doing now
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Don't be ridiculous smh It's well documented that Israel lets only a fraction of the supplies needed for Palestinians in Gaza to survive That's why 60% of Palestinians in Gaza suffer food insecurity and 80%rely on NGOs for the bare minimum basics. That's why there's all the NGOs in there for Pete's sake, trying to prevent the Palestinians from starving
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And speaking of context for these alleged Palestinian rocket attacks why don't you tell us about the pre1948 history of Ashkelon and Sderot? Hint: Ethnic cleansing
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And as usual you avoid the context for the rocket attacks trying to make its seem as tho they're just random irrational acts of violence by the Palestinians The truth is these rockets - those actually fired by Palestinians and not Israeli agents/collaborators - are legitimate acts of self defence When you are attacked as Israel is attacking the Palestinians with its illegal admittedly gratuitous blockade you have the right to fight back. Tough one for Zionists I know but deal with it
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Oh and there's this little detail of the authorship of these rocket attacks form Gaza You don't know who's firing some if not most of them There's a good chance these are Israeli false flags by Israel agents/collaborators Gaza's crawling with them
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 LOL Rockets raining down on Sderot and Ashkelon LOL Are you just posting this BS for the fun of it? I mean you're not serious about these pathetic little 5 0 Clock Charlies that the Palestinians can't even aim and that hardly do any damage esp compared to the massive damage Israel inflicts on the Palestinians gratuitously with its massive state of the art 4thlargest military in the world This is a joke right?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Tell me why is Israel allowed to arm itself and the Palestinians aren't? It sure looks racist to me. I can just hear you Zionists squealing if the Palestinians were to impose a crushing illegal blockade on Israel like you do to Gaza.
You know this is pure vicious racism on the art of Israel. It could end this nightmare that it created and sustains right now by lifting its illegal gratuitous blockade and going to the peace table but it doesn't and there's no reason but racism for it
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And who the f*k is Israel to try and stop weapons into Gaza? What gives Israel that right? every nation every people on earth are entitled to arm themselves But not the Palestinians? I guess you Zionists want them to be helpless lambs waiting for you to butcher maim and wound them whenever you feel like inflicting another round of terror on a helpless population of innocents like you did in Cast Lead and last week to name just a couple examples
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Yes there is something illegal about stopping weapons flow if you're doing it with an illegal gratuitous blockade which is really just intended as collective punishment as Israel admits since we know it's not about security and it's about putting the Palestinians on a diet as Olmert's adviser admits and since as we know Israel tightened it severely in response to 44%of the Palestinians electing a Hamas majority which all makes it pretty obvious it's illegal
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Don't give me the double speak . Yes they do contradict Israel's alleged reasons because unless you don't have ANY clue in this debate the point of stopping weapons is to maintain security. You don't get that? The blockade isn't about weapons The Israeli documents show you that. Besides the blockade can't stop weapons They'll come in one way or another The blockade is collective punishment Its about hurting the Palestinians, putting them on a diet as Olmert's adviser admitted
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And let's stop with the preconditions about Hamas before you even get to the peace table. You Zionists are in no position to make demands of anyone. You started this You created this mess You made your bed You sleep in it. If you don't like Hamas or some statement of theirs well that's tough You should have thought about that before you invaded Palestine and began your brutalization of the Palestinians
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 My guess is Hamas or whoever represents the Palestinians will make whatever concessions necessary in order to get to a just and peaceful 1 or 2 state solution That's the way they've been in the past at peace negotiations unlike Israel who continues its brutalities against the Palestinians even as negotiations proceed
But you Zionists are going to have to quit the violence and brutalization of the Palestinians & actually want peace and stop going on and on about your straw man Hamas
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Here's some Israeli respect for equal rights between Israelis and Arabs: “A dual system of law discriminates between Jewish Israelis and indigenous Palestinians based on a constructed status of 'Jewish nationality'. This prejudicial application of law is apparent in all processes of the legal system, from the rights to information and fair trial to detention and prison treatment.” Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. 5
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And spare me the BS about your straw man Hamas and its charter Gee I find it so surprising they don't have much love for Israel after all the death and suffering Israel's inflicted on the Palestinians and how surprising they want an Islamic state And Israel doesn't want a Jewish state? Israel right now has no regard for the rights of its Arab Arab citizens Hamas has said they accept the 67 borders
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I have to say I can't believe you brought up equal rights in the context of Israel I mean do you keep with current events or history at all? You have no idea obviously the crimes/injustices Israel perpetrates agaisnt Palestinians and its Arab citizens smh
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Straw man Hamas again. No Israel has to come to the peace table honestly and negotiate a peaceful settlement that's fair to the Palestinians instead of these joke offers they've made in the past and they have to stop their illegal settlement expansions and other brutalities agaisnt the Palestinians eg bombing Palestinians while they're at the peace talks. And Israel can start towards peace by treating its own Arab citizens like human beings and lifting its Gaza blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 No actually when Israel becomes a moral nation and not run by a bunch of thugs then Israel will stop its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and then the rockets will stop whoever is firing them
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 cont It's also unjust to destroy the farms because it's possible whoever is firing the rockets are doing so against the farmers' will and as I said before it's possible the people firing the rockets are Israeli agents/collaborators That's why you have to be civilized and use due process have an investigation and fair trials and other rational legal means to respond to the rockets
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 A lot of Israel's destruction of Palestinian crops is along the border with Israel in Israel's illegal buffer zone and elsewhere in Gaza. You nor Israel have any proof the farms are being used by whoever is firing the rockets and it is illegal to punish people without due process and destroying the farms is gratuitous because that won't stop the rockets To stop the rockets you would arrest the people firing the rockets if you had probable cause, not destroy entire farms cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Prove your claim that the multiple NGOs in Gaza are controlled by Hamas and/or manned by Hamas agents
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I'll ask again Prove your claim that there is an obesity epidemic in Gaza.
And prove your claim that Hamas is stealing food smh
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 LOL at you Zionists' boogeyman Hamas LOL As tho they represent a threat to Israel at all. They have nothing except obsolete rifles and pathetic little home made rockets while Israel has state of the art 4th largest military in the world backed by world superpower the US and Israel controls almost all of Gaza while Hamas controls none of Israel SMH and you want to be taken seriously?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Yeah actually there is a defence agaisnt rockets fired from Gaza (those that aren't fired by Israeli agents). Israel can lift its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and end this nightmare now
Hamas might target civilians to the extent it is firing any rockets into Israel (which we don't know for sure) But let's get real It's Israel who targets civilians It's Israel who applies massive firepower to civilian areas Not Hamas Just look at Cast Lead - 4500 innocents killed-wounded-maimed
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I'll tell you something, if you Zionists want to be taken seriously you'll stop this BS about the tiny little rockets from Gaza and stop your mass murder and mass wounding of Palestinians and destruction of infrastructure and livelihoods in Gaza not to mention lifting your illegal gratuitous blockade
Just a reminder Gaza, unlike Israel, has no army no navy no air force while Israel has a state of the art 4th largest military in the word backed by the world superpower US. So spare me
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And of course you Zionists never say why there are rockets from Gaza. That's because context is problematic for you Zionists. But let's be clear Israel illegal vicious gratuitous blockase is the reason any real Palestinian, and not Israel agent/collaborator, fires rockets into Israel
an spare me on the rockets as tho they're dangerous Those pathetic little firecrackers are almost laughable esp compared to the damage Israel can and does do with its massive state of the art military
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You don't know what Hamas's strategy is. They're just trying to survive the illegal gratuitous Israeli Gaza blockade and help the Palestinians in in Gaza
Any strategy by Hamas involving violence is self defence which, to everyone but Zionists, is a natural right an action to which you are entitled, a right which every person on the planet enjoys.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You have no idea who's firing at least some if not most of those rockets. Hamas has come out repeatably against them. Fatah and Hamas have many times denied responsibility Israel admitted Hamas hams fired none during the cease fire in 20008 that Israel broke. And in any case the only way to know for sure is to have a full investigation. That way we can be sure we know who it is There's a good chance most of them are the work of the thousands of Israeli agents/collaborators in Gaza
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You also have a problem in that, as Gisha's lawsuit revealed, the stated goal of the Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is to reduce Palestinians to near starvation levels. Look up the title "Israeli Government Documents Show Deliberate Policy To Keep Gazans At Near-starvation Levels"
and don't forget this gem from Olmert's adviser 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,'
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 the shopping malls tell you nothing about the humanitarian situation in Gaza Geez Prisons have pools libraries, hospitals gyms theaters etc It doesn't mean they're nice or safe or that the inmates are free. Any mall sure doesn't help the 80% of Gazans who rely on NGos for survival, the 45% unemployed, the people in refugee camps. It doesn't repair the Israeli destroyed power plant, sewage system, water system, and thousands of schools, hospitals, factories businesses homes etc etc
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Most of that food is black market and consequently too expensive for most Gazans. You'd know that if you bothered to do any looking into this issue.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Dude Your videos aren't proof of much. They're very selective for one thing. They don't show the squalor in many prats of Gaza including the dozens and dozens of bombed out parts off Gaza not to mention the refugee camps in Gaza. As I said there markets have food, some of them ,but most Gazans can't afford the food. 80% of them rely on NGOs for survival 60% don't have food security. 45% are unemployed. This info is all available in many reports on the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Cont As a result, nearly 90% of Gaza's 4000 fishermen are now considered either poor (with a monthly income of between 100 and 190 US dollars) or very poor (earning less than 100 dollars a month), up from 50% in 2008. In their struggle to survive, the fishermen have little choice but to sail into no-go zones, at the risk of being shot by the Israeli navy
Because everybody knows Palestinian fishermen earning a living is a grave threat to Israel's security smh
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Here’s an excerpt from the Red Cross report on Israel's illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade. This from the section addressing the adverse impacts Israel’s blockade has on Palestinian fishermen:
Gaza's fishermen have been greatly affected by successive reductions imposed by Israel on the size of the fishing grounds they are allowed to exploit. The latest restriction to three nautical miles has cut down both the quantity and quality of the catch. Cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Cont. An estimated 178,000 people are directly affected. Boundaries of the restricted areas are highly arbitrary and enforced by live fire: 6 civilians have been killed (2 of them children) and 57 injured (10 of them children) by Israeli fire in the buffer zone since the ‘easing’ of the blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Here's another excerpt from Dashed Hopes regarding Israel's illegal Gaza buffer zone:
- Access to around 35% of Gaza’s farmland and 85% of maritime areas for fishing remains restricted by the Israeli ‘buffer zone’, with devastating impact on the economy and people’s rights and livelihoods. Cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And If you're so worried about material that can be used to make bombs why don't you be consistent and insist we impose a blockade on Israel? They're getting lots of material to make not just bombs but tanks, guns, ammunition, missiles etc. They're also getting lots of state of the art weaponry from the U.S. Why don't you want to stop potential weapons materials imports to Israel and arms imports from the US to Israel with a (crushing) blockade of Israel?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Cont - Here are excerpts from "Dashed Hopes" A Report Just put out by 21 Aid Agencies on the effect of Israel's illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade:
- 50 to 80 million litres of untreated or partially treated sewage are released into the sea every day
- About 90% of water supplied to Gaza residents is not suitable for drinking and is contaminated with salt and nitrates
- 78% of homes with major damages from Operation Cast Lead have not been rebuilt
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Here are excerpts from "Dashed Hopes" A Report Just put out by 21 Aid Agencies on the effect of Israel's illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade:
- 80% of the population is dependent on international aid
- 61% of the population is food insecure
- Unemployment is around 39%, one of the highest in the world
- Daily Power outages lasting 4-6 hours a day minimum often longer
- 60% of Gaza’s population receives running water only once every 4 or 5 days, for 6-8 hours. Cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Funny how Israel can immediately end this entire Gaza tragedy that they're causing by lifting its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade but doesn't I wonder why? I guess it's because they want to inflict the war crime of collective punishment on the Palestinians. It is a war crime by the way. Israel is not entitled to self defence as occupying power. But if Israel were, it would have to go after ONLY those who were allegedly firing the rocket. Israel could not harm ANYONE ELSE as it does now
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The incredible harm Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade does to the Palestinians is not only not open to debate, it's now news. Back in 2008 Mary Robinson Former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and President of Ireland said after a recent trip to Gaza that things were WORSE the than in her last visit to Gaza in 2000: "Their whole civilisation has been destroyed, I'm not exaggerating," ... "a shocking violation of so many human rights"
That's BBC Tuesday, 4 November 2008
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Hamas thugs? That's a joke OK some of them are But you've got to be kidding me If Hamas are thugs what does that make the Israelis whose security forces have killed 1315 Palestinian children since 2000, whose military-government impose a devastating gratuitous illegal Gaza blockade, killed wounded maimed 4500 innocents in Gaza 2008/09 including hundreds of children, and who holds thousands of Palestinians illegally in its dungeons including hundreds of children and tortures them??
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Post all the Israeli propaganda you want. It doesn't hep you or Israel It isn't reality. None of it changes the FACTS on the ground as established by not just the Palestinians but by many independent organizations who unlike you and the Israelis have actually investigated the situation in Gaza and seen for themselves the damage Israel's blockade is doing to the Palestinians
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Israel's Gaza blockade is not legal under international law. It is collective punishment and as such is a blatant violation of The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 which states clearly that it's illegal to punish innocents for the alleged crimes of others. Go to the ICRC and look for yourself at their statement on Israel's blockade The ICRC is considered the guardian of international law and unless you can prove otherwise their word on Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is final
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The idea that Gaza is suffering from an obesity epidemic is utterly laughable, pure comedy. Has to be one of my favorite Hasbarat talking points. I'll ask you like I ask the other Hasbarats, what's your source? Making sure to mention of course the fact that 80% of Palestinians in Gaza rely on international aid agencies to survive
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Yeah Gaza sure is brimming with food and tasty treats Just ask the 80% of them reliant on international aid agencies for survival smh
anti-Israel PR machine lol If it weren't for a relatively small internet based group of activists there would hardly be a peep heard about Palestine. Most of the western governments are silent or supportive of Israels destruction of Palestine Best you get is a tepid isolated criticism once on a while Rarely do you hear solid to the point criticism
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And as I keep telling you, and you can't refute, the fact is those rockets from Gaza are self defence. Remember? When you are attacked esp by an overwhelmingly superior foe you are entitled to self defence In fact I would argue you are obligated to defend yourself. Israel on the other hand has no right to self defence as it is the occupying power AND could end the attacks (whoever's doing them) simply by lifting its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and negotiating a fair settlement
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And no one is 'pummeling' Israel lol with rockets. What a laugh. The damage done by by those little home made rockets whoever is firing them is absolutely miniscule, especially compared to the damage Israel does day after day with its tanks missiles howitzers gunships etc etc not to mention its illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Funny the way you think you can just create reality by saying whatever you want always making sure to invoke your favorite little straw man, Hamas. No Hamas is trying to break the blockade, if it actually is, so the Palestinians can live a more human life and break out of the squalor Israel forces them to live in
It's true there is some oil off Gaza but that is a little known fact. The truth is the world is focused on Gaza because Israel is brutalizing it gratuitously and illegally
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 cont If you Zionists really want peace You'll lift your illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza and stop the rest of your brutalities of the Palestinians and start negotiating a 1 (or 2) state solution Sorry if you don't like the Palestinians, that they're not your favorite negotiating partners, but then you should have thought about that before you invaded stole and destroyed 90% of Palestine and instituted your systematic degradation and brutalization of the Palestinians
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 'Islamic policy' gimme a break As opposed to the Jewish policy of non-stop 24/7/365 brutalization of the Palestinians including Cast Lead 4500 innocents killed-maimed-wounded? You Zios go on about Islam this, Islam that smh Spare me. cont
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 No children usually die in fact almost always die from Israeli fire. Thanks for trying though It's Israel's gratuitous targeting of civilian areas with massive disproportionate firepower aka the "Dahiya Doctrine" that kills Palestinian children not Hamas firing near them Israel Israel has no right to fire on Gaza in the first place since it can't claim self defence as occupying power and can end all this simply by lifting its illegal gratuitous blockade on Gaza
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Maybe if Hams would change its policy?: Is this a joke You don't punish innocents for the policy a few people. And what about Israel's awful treatment of its Arab citizens? You gonna breeze by that? Oh so terrorism is terrorizing civilians to change policy You mean like one of Israel's stated justifications of its illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza that it was in response to the Palestinians electing Hamas
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 If I can't prove anything with all the independent investigations by experts and the words of the Palestinians themselves than brother you can't prove the nose on your racist face smh
What's you best evidence that Hamas kills Palestinian children and what's your best evidence Hamas kills more children than Israel I mean evidence not you saw it in a photo somewhere
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You want proof of Israel's killing of children go look at the B'Tselm report and/or any of the other reports on Cast lead issued by a number of organizations. Unlike you and the Israelis they actually investigated the slaughter. People should check out the report by Defence For Children's International on the children Israel murdered Look also at the report by the National lawyers guild or Arab League which was done by an esteemed panel of jurists including Professor John Dugard
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 You have absolutely no proof any of the innocent Palestinians Israel killed were fighting for Hamas. In fact there was barely any fighting you need only read the testimony of he soldiers 'Breaking the Silence' to see that the place was almost deserted and the insane amounts of firepower Israel used against non-military targets.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 There is no 10/11 report. And spare me with the rockets. Those pathetic little obsolete rockets. Those firecrackers are nothing, do almost no damage compared to the damage the state of the art weapons Israel uses to kill wound maim thousands of Palestinians and destroy Palestinian infrastructure routinely including Cast Lead in which Israel murdered some 1400 innocents in Palestine and wounded another 4000 including hundreds of children + major damage to schools hospitals roads etc
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 And if the Palestinians have it so good in Gaza why do 80% of them rely on international agencies for every day needs including food Again all documented not selective alleged photos but documented as a result of investigations not cherry picking photos While we're talking about photos of Palestine shall I show you photos of the Israeli imposed squalor in Palestine Shall we start with the refugee camps or maybe some of the areas bombed out by Israel
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I already debunked you on this Those photos prove nothing You can't prove they do. They are selective they represent only a tiny element of the Gaza economy Vast swathes of Gaza are in Israeli imposed squalor all documented by the Palestinians themselves and multiple NGOs who unlike you don't look at photos but actually do investigations And as I said most of those markets are stocked with black market food brought thru the tunnels which most Gazans can't afford
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Why doesn't Israel lift its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade and treat the Palestinians like human beings and negotiate a fair 1 state solution? There is NO excuse for Israel's crimes against the Palestinins
And spare me the BS about the weapons hypocrite Israel is allowed to arm itself - state of the art 4th largest military in the world but the Palestinians aren't? Oh and Israel's fully backed by the world's superpower. But no weapons for Palestinians? You got to be joking right?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8Actually Israel allows none or almost none of the above You can't prove it does. It is wel documented outside of this thread that Israel allows almost no basic need items in to Gaza not medicine not for rebuilding not food not school supplies meat etc.
And if basically anything including medicine food spices crayons and books can be used to make weapons why let anything in at all?
And btw what gives Israel the right to blockade Gaza at all?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Israel does not allow much of the above in fact it allows almost none of the above or in tiny vastly insufficient quantities Again not you but anyone can go look all this up for themselves starting with the multiple reports I listed here. If you think you're making it better for yourself or Israel here by denying reality, dude you got another thing coming
Yeah right weapons ccan be made of pasta jam crayons and coriander etc smh
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Oh no now you're quoting Egyptian journalists. Which ones? What's their sources? smh The alleged Egyptian journalists can call it what they want they' are wrong. IN fact if that's what they're saying they're not journalist they're Zionist mouthpieces They have no evidence They're contradicted by not just Palestinians but by the multiple independent aid and human rights agencies and their multiple reports done by ACTUALLY investigating the situation in GAZA
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I really don't care what you think but anyone else can go look up these reports forthemselves and see the cruelties Israel is inflicting on the Palestinians:
The Gaza Strip: A Humanitarian Implosion
Dashed Hopes: Continuation of the Gaza Blockade
Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses
Gaza closure: not another year!
There are more of course I could start listing the multiple investigations by Israeli human rights monitor B'Tselm
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I really don't care what the Israeli say they've been doing. The only thing that matters is the state of the Palestinians which is unacceptable and caused directly by the Israelis You can put everything in quotations if you want but you haven't proven anything by it Any one can go read the reports by multiple intentional including Israeli agencies about to the suffering Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is inflicting on the Palestinians
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 In any case nothing changes the fact that Israel's Gaza blockade is illegal and gratuitous You need only look at the long list of basic need items and food Israel does not allow in to know that Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade of Gaza has nothing to do with security and everything to do with suffering
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The documents Gisha obtained were not 'internal planning work' putting that and anything else in quotations doesn't help you, doesn't make it true. The documents Gisha obtained were policy papers Not you but anyone else can go to McCLatchy or Gisha and see for themselves.
If you have any REAL documentation to contradict those documents please furnish me with them here
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Of course you never heard of Israel destroying Palestinian crops. But anyone else who has taken oh about 1 minute to look into this issue can see for themselves that Israel frequently destroys Palestinian crops, water supplies, orchards, farms etc. Not you of course but anyone else go look it up and see for themselves documented in many places
The alleged rockets are self defence If Israel wants them to stop it merely has to lift its illegal gratuitous Gaza blockade
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Your hasbara is desperate. You need only read the multiple reports from multiple independent NGOs who unlike you and Israel have actually done the necessary work of being ion the ground and compiling the data themselves in addition to the multiple reports by the Palestinians themselves that Israel has imposed food shortages. Your claim that Hamas controls the UNRWA is laughable You can't even begin to prove that one LOL
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 I never said the Palestinians were starving. I said 60% don't have food security and 80% of them rely on international aid and that it was th stated goal of the Zionists to put the Palestinians on a diet. Bravo Israel smh
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 If Israel really wants to stop the alleged attacks from Gaza by Palestinians it need only lift its illegal gratuitous blockade and negotiate a fair 1 state solution guaranteeing the Palestinians full and equal rights within that state
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The rockets from Gaza to the extent that re fired by Palestinians not Israeli collaborationist are acts of self defence Sorry to break it to Zionists but when you impose a crushing illegal gratuitous blockae on Innocnets and attack them gratuitously you are liable to get something back Only in Zioland is self defense a right reserved on to Israel And Israel has no tight to self defence as they are the occupying power
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 The alleged rockets raining down on Israel are probable Israeli false flags Gaza has lots of Israeli collaborators. If it is Palestinians they a don't represent the Palestinians as a whole since those firing the rockets can't total more than a few dozen out of a population of 1.5 million If it is not be a war crime or crime against humanity any Action Israel takes against the rockets must be directed at those who are firing the rockets and can not hurt those not firing the rockets
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Any alleged Gazans saying they heave enough food are either the 20% that are not food insecure or Israeli collaborators. Their alleged testimony deos not, nor can it, disprove the documented impoverishment and squalor Israel is inflicting on the Palestinians gratuitously an illegally
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@Kreplach8 Your videos don't show anything. For one thing they are very selective and out of context and are supported by no hard data. The work done on the ground by multiple independent organizations provides the hard data anyone needs to know Israel is is brutalizing the Palestinians in Gaza
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 Oh and if Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade is to stop weapons then why won’t Israel allow in medical equipment, spare parts, building materials necessary to rebuild the health-care infrastructure Israel destroyed in its 2008/09 butchery aka Cast Lead or allow in the supplies needed to rebuild Gaza's sewage system. How does barring the export of almost all goods from Gaza keep weapons out of Gaza? How does preventing repair of Gaza power station Israel destroyed prevent weapons?
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 I guess the reason 80% of Palestinians in Gaza are dependent on international aid is because the stores in Gaza are full of food??
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 Why did you say Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade was to stop weapons when I specifically mentioned the Israeli documents that admit Israel's illegal gratuitous blockade isn't about security???
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 What do you think of Israel importing weapons but not allowing the Palestinians to import weapons? That seem fair to you? Define Terrorism. Define Self defence. If Israel can import weapons, why can't the Palestinians? Mention Cast Lead where Israel murdered 1400 innocents including hundreds of children and wounded-maimed 3000 more innocents including hundreds more children. Mention B'Tselm's investigation which revealed that Israel has killed 1305 Palestinian children since 2000
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 And Israel's illegal blockade is not to stop weapons The Israelis admitted in court that the blockade is not to stop weapons, not for security. Israeli human rights group Gisha sued the Israeli government successfully for documents that revealed the illegal Israeli blockade is a form of economic warfare agaisnt Hamas and not about security. Do an internet search for the headline "Israeli document: Gaza blockade isn't about security"
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 A lot of the food in markets is black market brought thru the tunnels and is too expensive for the average Palestinian. If it weren't for the NGOs the Palestinians would be in far worse shape. Not dead but as we know it wasn't the intention of the democratic peaceful Israelis to kill them all but to 'put the Palestinians on a diet' And of course the Israelis make sure the Palestinians can't take care of their own basic needs by destroying the Palestinians' crops farms & water systems
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 'stores in Gaza are full of food' smh That's pure Hasbara nonsense The stores in Gaza are not full of food You can't prove they are. The stores are far from full of food There are widespread food shortages. The Israelis don't let in nearly enough food to feed the Palestinians i Gaza. That's why some 60% of Palestinians in Gaza don't have food security Some 11% of Palestinian children suffer chronic malnutrition.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Ken you are a King amongst us....I wish I was half the man you are.
luc649 10 months ago
Israel's blockade of Gaza is just more proof that Israel's the only democracy in the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter. Oh and in case you missed it, esp for Ziotrolls Israel admits the blockade isn't about security. As reported by McClatchy, Israeli Human Rights Group Gisha sued the Israeli government and got documents stating clearly that the blockade was not a security measure but an offensive tactic specifically it was a from of economic warfare aimed at Hamas.
rfalfonse 10 months ago
@kreplach3 Swastika avatar? Now I'm starting to think you're just on crack or something. I've had this pic since I opened my YouTube channel lol
TheFreedom2choose 11 months ago
@TheFreedom2choose
Careful..this kreplach 'creature' likes to stalk , threaten & troll people..then clone your account - He's krepach2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, aka alan8653, also MAndrewMagee - His real name is Alan Abramowitz, he's never been to Israel and exists on the welfare provided from US Tax payers
He is also schizophrenic
watch?v=A79KvTK-XTk
FFPaleSWlNE 11 months ago 2
@FFPaleSWlNE No its Andrew Magee who stalks trolls and harasses everybody. Watch my videos to see! He is even impersonating my cousin Alan Abramowitz!@!! See youtube/user/AlanAbramowitz
Kreplach6 11 months ago
@kreplach3 Wow. You're completely insane. Do you even know what a Nazi is, or is it just another label you use when describing anyone who disagrees with you? What have I said that makes me a Nazi? Also, did I ASK you to do research for me? No. Google 'Israel supports Mumbarak' FOR YOURSELF. My Libya comment is just a more recent example of the corrupt Israeli government. I'm sure it won't change your distorted perception of reality. Final thought- ☺and Nazi in the same sentence? REALLY???
TheFreedom2choose 11 months ago
Unite Against U.S. & E.U. Imperialism!!!
workergirls 11 months ago
@kreplach3 ... I could quote a plethora of other articles, but I'm sure someone as knowledgeable as yourself can find them if you take the time to do a little research instead of 'jumping to conclusions'. Now go argue with someone less intelligent because I'm DONE.
TheFreedom2choose 11 months ago
@kreplach3 From presstv .ir, 02 Mar 2011: Israeli arms distribution company Global CST has reportedly, under the authorization of Tel Aviv, provided Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi with African mercenaries to clamp down on anti-government protesters. Egyptian sources have revealed that the Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi's regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya...
TheFreedom2choose 11 months ago
@kreplach3 What do you suggest people do? Nothing? Why do you have to put labels on everything? Calling KO 'biased' seems extremely hypocritical of you. In fact, you bring nothing to the table except hatred and ignorance. Just give up because people aren't buying into your propaganda.
TheFreedom2choose 11 months ago 4
IF I RAN THE WORLD - #1: 1st action: Order the nullification of the Balfour Declaration, order "Israeli" nuclear weapons facilities & military bases seized by surprise MASSIVE force, invasion. 2nd action: Move every single so-called "jew" from Palestinian soil, sending them back to their countries of origin apologizing to what remains of the Palestinian people, hand them their country back, shower them with aid. Next? I would arrest ALL criminal world leaders & try them as world TRAITORS!!!
t4705mb6 11 months ago 3
The presence of trolls is a good indication that your efforts are worthwhile. People sowing the seeds of division are, fake Palestinian/Arabs or not, serve only the interests of the tyrants. Some are stupid, some are paid. I have family here in Palestine, my obligation is to them and to my conscience. Nothing will change that.
1worldcitizen 11 months ago 6
@1worldcitizen I agree. If we weren't hurting them the Zionist wouldn't be here spewing their Hasbara (read: propaganda)
rfalfonse 10 months ago
Hey Good work Ken Btw don't listen to these NSA trolls there all fake or paid trolls to turn people down with nothing better to do in there life keep on moving because lots of people needs your help just keep your eyes open the CIA uses honest people to do there dirty work!
Hostnationorg 11 months ago
I think that if Ken has nothing to hide, he shouldn't be deleting anybody's comments.
2009Rags 11 months ago
It's very telling when I just saw rightofreturn's comments a short while ago and now they are gone. What a shame!
2009Rags 11 months ago
@rightofreturn
But Egypt has made the blockade possible by collaboration with Israel. Without Egypt's cooperation the starvation siege would not be possible.
HelenBransgrove21 11 months ago
@HelenBransgrove21 We know that. But Mubarak is gone and there is a new reality on the ground. Very few Palestinians and Egyptians supported this march. The issue is no longer btwn the Palestinians and a dictator; it's btwn the Palestinians and the Egyptians and we get along really fine with our Egyptian brothers. The fact that there were no buses at KFC or even anybody to welcome the 3 people from Malta should tell you that we Arabs don't like foreigners meddling in our affairs.
2009Rags 11 months ago
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0xTRX007 11 months ago