The evidence shows that problems in the propeller control unit caused the upset, not pilot error. Most of the eyewitnesses on the ground said the engines sounded like they were in trouble, and a large number said the aircraft was on fire before it crashed.
I wonder if the pilot ,(knowing they were going to crash), couldve steered down enough to crash straight down instead of at an angle so they would only hit a small area on the ground instead of taking out the neighborhood? sounds far fetched since there was a loss of control of the plane but ya never know! If so that pilot is a hero and saved a whole lot of lives but again, Ya just never know.
I don't think the tail section surviving a crash is firm evidence that a plane crash was faked, or whatever conclusion I was supposed to draw from this. The tail section is often the part of the airplane that survives a crash very well intact. What is your other logic, and what is the exact conclusion you have drawn? I am not trying to say you are wrong, or start a fight, but I am curious.
This is unbelievable. I mean, I cannot believe this is happening. RIP Beverly Eckert, we will continue to press for the truth. Unreal. Is this really happening in my country?
@invincibleironman3 the pilots were not flying manually. They had auto pilot on. That is a big no no in icy conditions. It's also even wrose when said pilots are not looking at the fact that there air speed is slowing down. It also does not help that Colgan Air is a cheap ass airline and like all cheap ass airlines do crap job with there pilots.
@Epica124 ...all I know was Eckert was part of the truth movement, had intended on suing the Federal Government and the Saudi Royal Family, and continued to champion the cause of victims of 9/11, and she died in a commuter plane accident.,and Barry Jennings died. - the whole thing stinks to high hell, and they allowed the Bin Ladens to fly out. They made it out, just fine. A whole lot of cheap ass airlines FLY PERFECTLY. Especally over short distances.
@invincibleironman3 It did not matter who Eckert was becasue the facts are. They had two pilots flying the plane who broke ever rule in the book. You throwing out false info as to why the went down just make fly more unsafe. Becasue instead of fixing the problems. Ie having two pilots flying with very little flight traning these things keep happening
@invincibleironman3 You can have you're opininon. You can not have you're own facts. And you can not use you're own facts to put my fly or any one else life in danger when we get an airplane.
@Epica124 ... ... OK....you keep believing that. REALITY says otherwise. They will kill you, and 3,000 people just like you. How the hell did you think the Bin Ladens got out days after 9/11......in the five years after 9/11, the Pentagon has tripled its defense contracts in one fiscal year alone. Who builds the bases? The Bin Ladens. trillions have disappeared right in the face of the American people.... "Get out of my country"....YOUR COUNTRY? you must be delusional. Happy Fourth!
Seems like long lengths to go to to wipe out a 9/11 Truth pest, but this indeed seems like more perception management dressed up as news. Keep pushing, Simon. Humble thanks again for what's been and in advance for what's to come.
Rethink: The '9/11 Truth Pest' was a bogus character promoting the concept of 911 victims, so I guess only the character was written off with a burst of publicity for those phony victims.
I did watch the CBS 'Victims of Flight 3407' video clip on the side and thought it's interesting how they mention the captain and officer had many many more flight hours (2200-3000+) than the current NTSB transcripts of conversations between the officer & captain insinuate (1300-1600?)
So what is the point of this video? I'm not understanding. What is the connection you're making with 9/11 or are you just trying to say this wasn't a 'real' incident. Obviously it is very much real because of all the victim's families.
There is no attack here, I'm just curious and trying to understand what exact connection you're trying to make.
PrettyMissAshley : This is the (condensed) story as we can read it from the media reports : " Flight 3407 fell straight out of the air plumetting like a stone on an 18sqm plot of land killing all onboard. The fire was the fiercest the local firemen had ever experienced. Yet, the tail section survived uncharred - and even the intact tail number was neatly photographed and broadcast on TV".
This alone does not sound right, you see? Especially since we now know much of 9/11 was faked on TV.
Well, yes, it all does sound very suspicious..I thought so even from the very beginning. My line of thinking was more along the lines of "These planes fly in this weather all of the time, HOW (not 'why') was this mistake made??" But what about the people aboard? They perished, no faking that. By fake, do you mean that just the STORY is fake, yet the EVENTS are still real?
I am not drawing any firm conclusions from this episode. It caught my attention because the wife of a 9/11 victim perished in that crash. As TV churned out the reports, I saw some similarities with the TV reports of 9/11 - which my longstanding video research has firmly demonstrated were grossly manipulated.
@PrettyMissAshley ..the point is..THEY ARE KILLING MATERIAL WITNESSES TO 9/11....Period. The connections are all too obvious. Theyve been killing and putting surveillance on people for decades. Several aircrashes were set to do so throughout history. And real people die in PLANNED "Accidents" Beverly Eckert was an important member of the victims advocacy and met Obama a couple of months before this incident happened. This is about American Primacy in Eurasia, PERIOD.
@invincibleironman3 You see this is just what you are doing. Let's not go after Colgan Air they did nothing wrong. Thank you for keep that cheap ass airline running. Now get the hell out of my country.
Well respected aircraft with no related accidents due to icing. (landing gear, yes)
De-icing equipment automatic and world class. Used by several leading aircraft manufacturers.
Out of context quotes from questionable cockpit voice recorder transcripts leads readers to believe pilots were speaking of ice on wings when they were actually referring to ice on the windshield. (maybe)
The aircraft created no forward motion in 2000 feet?
Thanks for your interesting comment. Are there many inhabited houses around ? I'm asking because I remember reading some researcher saying the area had plenty of non-inhabited houses. Maybe next time you drive by the area you could talk with some neighbors.
i really wasnt paying attention to the surrounding houses, as i was busy looking for the particular site when i turned onto long street. I wanted to park my car and look around, but i felt like i was being watched... as there were some landscapers working on land across the street.
There are 2 or 3 houses for rent. But the majority of the neighborhood is filled with families. I went to school with the girl in the house at the time and I have a friend whos mother and sister live across the street. I am a skeptic here but don't get me wrong I definitely appreciate citizens questioning the media and what the government tells us. According to the declaration of independence it is our duty to do that.
Another great vid simonshack,t.v fakery once again trounces news media.Hope all who watch this watch your fantastic September Clues vids,they are the wake up call.
I think this crash was souly done because of Beverly Eckert. Beverly had a court date set up to get information on 911. She was a strong believer that 911 was an inside job, and the Gov. knew she was a threat.
@olshwa ...absolutely right. Barry Jennings was another victim of this as well. He had the connection to the explosives being controlled at WTC. A shame.
It sounds like something was onboard. Witnesses described explosions on the ground. I don't necessarily think a bomb took it out ..... it just sounds like they lost their engines.
Buffalo is a neat little town, don't let the locals tell you different. They love their seasons, they have a good college scene, and an amazing deli downtown ...not to mention the gotham style police building.
We can only pray for the families and the community.
This "incident" is so bogus. I do not believe people could survive from that house. Notice how clear the "flight number" is. None of the neighboring houses are damaged. Contradicting reports - regarding ice, then how the plane landed. The whole things seems staged and fake.
@cve70 ..here are some facts. It was PLANNED to get us into an unending war, and the Pentagon budget has doubled. Bush knew the Bin Ladens and the General who wire transferred 100,000 to Mohammed Atta met with U.S. officials the day of 9/11 and George Bush had a meeting with the brother of Osama Bin Laden on the morning of 9/11. Eckert PLANNED TO SUE the government and Saudi Royal Family and was gathering momentum - PERIOD. 7 of the named hijackers are still alive.
I knew that first photo was bogus. Seemed impossible. It was unscathed. The photo is too clean.
Also check out the video of the guy who "showed up" at the command center. I was up that night. The guy with the law-school sister, parents vacationing in florida. Talking to every reporter. Where did he go ?
Where did this story go in the news ? What about 4 Northrup-Grumann employees supposedly being onboard. Why is this the company that had people on there ..... and not Betty Crocker ?
A good idea of what Low flying planes look like is at "Kai Tak Kowloon" in Korea.. A plane crash: El Al 1862. It hit a stick and stucco apartment complex and aside from where it hit, the place was intact. Just type in the names
Thank you for the reference on both videos, there is a huge difference in the Kai Tak planes then the amateur footage of 911. The thing I don't understand of the EL AL crash I could only find a documentary, no news coverage. But I considering one more notch on their belt ;(
I just typed in El Al 1862 and there were videos. sometimes you have to keep clicking on links. and Korea is interesting. Slower but not really lower.
But the you can distinctly hear the engines, were as the amateur footage it is more faint. Huge difference considering the 911 planes are only 500ft higher. I'll keep looking for the EL AL news footage.
Has any noticed that since the NSTB press release last Saturday stating they didn't know how flight 3407 crashed, this story disappeared from the news.
O.K., Ryan, we're really going off into Wonderland here. Upper stories with 1/6th the mass of the lower stories, like bowling balls versus toothpicks. I mean, how I am not supposed to laugh at something like that?
Did you read anything I wrote at all? Looks like you didn't.
Would it really matter how many stories of toothpicks (steel beams) there are??? The Weight of the bowling ball (Top stories) Is so heavy it would not matter how many toothpicks there are.... You have a very heavy mass falling straight down through basically a hollow building.
Ryan, the chair I'm sitting on right now is "hollow" underneath it. I weigh 15x as much as it does. Yet, it has absolutely no problem stopping my ass from hitting the ground. Go figure!
Ryan, the building underneath the damaged structure was not WEAK. That is pure fantasy. It is a delusion/hallucination that you're having about that under-portion of the WTC in your mind that's keeping you out of touch with reality.
let your chair burn for an hour and a half and see if it still supports your weight... Also are you saying that 85% of the US population is "Out of touch with reality" because we base our belief on evidence rather than speculating and drawing conclusions with no hard proof?
i never said the bottom portion was burning... what was burning the floors that were hit by planes, weakening those beams holding the top part up... those beams buckled and it imploded on its self... How do you suppose a controlled demolition can be carried out in broad daylight in one of the busiest cities on earth... HOW?!?!?!
I didn't say your chair was burning dude... i said suppose it was... If it were burning where the legs met the platform in which you sit in... your chair would give way and you would fall just as the towers did.
No, the platform is the top of the under-portion of the WTC that was NOT burning (i.e., the topmost of the intact floors under the falling upper ones.) There's nothing wrong with the platform. I would be the one burning and my weight would be falling on top of the intact platform with the structural supports under it. That's my analogy.
Which is, obviously, much more to the point than a bowling ball on toothpicks, which "VAPORIZES" after crushing the toothpicks. Wonder how that happened? lol
if the sear isn't connected to the legs you would fall through.. but it is irrelevant... Anyway good debate.. and like i said we just have to agree to disagree.
I hope you will start to see your way through the deception of all these devil bastards that you now trust asap, Ryan. Things may start to happen very quickly.
The economy is going to get nightmarish quite soon. The bullshit' is getting deeper everyday on that one!
Whoa whoa... Do not assume I trust these corrupt ass shitheads cuz I dont trust a word they say... I just don't see any evidence that supports a 9/11 conspiracy... I know these guys cover A LOT OF SHIT up... I dont question that.
Well, you do "see" the evidence, because everyone "sees" it. It's all on videotape. You just don't "accept" what you see.
To win this case in court takes nothing more than introducing the videotapes as evidence and having witnesses who will be able to pass lie detector tests to testify as to the nature of the impacts and destruction of the buildings. It's as simple as that. An open and shut case. One of the easiest in history.
I guarantee it would be the easiest case I ever took to court.
haha. you guarantee it, huh? humor me. what exactly do you think caused this crash and what relevance is there to the photo of the tailcone leaning to the right bearing the ship number?
I got rid of my TV years ago, the media can pump out all the manufactured brainwashing it wants, doesnt mean shit to me. I'm more concerned with reality, "MY" reality, the reality I see every day with my own eyes. The reality that comes out of that glass tube is just smoke and mirrors. They cant get to your mind if you sever the connection. Remember, nobody forces anyone to buy a television, or have cable. Doing so is "CONCENT" as far as the magi are concerned.
a pimp-slap on tvfakery and you ''simon'", perhaps? familiar with the scrutiny of these videos - 8 years later they create another fake news piece after all. How insulting that they'd use photoshop yet again , tsk tsk tsk
don't kid yourselves, they don't fear your research
Story A: WIELINSKI states to an interviewer that she was watching TV and that JILL was also. (It's fair to interpret this as they were watching TV together.)
Story B: WIELINSKI watching TV. Daughter JILL reported as having escaped from upstairs bedroom. (Maybe her mother knew she was watching TV in the bedroom.)
Where is the quavering voice?
Where is the sense that something momentous has occurred?
There's enough evidence of TV fakery in this video to at least arouse a healthy level of suspicion.
My gut reaction to WALLACE and WIELINSKI is that they are both LIARS.
How many photos were taken, Stephen - 200 or 300?. Why is there no evidence of fire in the shot of the caved-in roof at (3:20)? Did the jet fuel not spill there? What's with the photo at (4:07)? It looks like an aerial shot. Did WALLACE jump up on the roof or did he fly to the scene in his chopper?
What I don't understand about the 3:20 Pic. why are the walls white, no chard wood, no smoke stains. All it looks like to me is a structure that got hit by a tornado, or hurricane.
Webfairy, please note that I am not stating anything in regard to Beverly Eckert as to what she really represented.
I am interested in the newsmedia reporting here and all the facts which, even at this early stage, simply do not seem to add up. Similarities to the deplorable 9/11 TV 'extravaganza' abound.
freedomfan1999 A plane crashes well still in cruise control in a residential area destroying only 1 house, a shed, a couple cars, and one death. Doesn't that seem kind of weird.
Nothing like Shanksville. There was no plane at all in Shanksville. Here we see what remains of a plane after a crash. It didn't vaporize into the ground or into a building. This one is real....
Ahhhh. Yet another "Fake" plane crash. And this is 9/11 propaganda because someone who died was related to someone who died on 9/11? Your really reaching here dude. What exactly is reality to you? Are you living in some premade matrix where nothing is as it seems?
And what the hell does the flowers being different on the good morning america set have to do with anything?
Every one of your videos that come out makes me laugh more and more with their rediculousness.
Yep, Plus I think husband Bob knew someone in the air plane, The lady that worked for Roswell cancer research is fascinating in a X Files kind of way.
freedomfan1999 : I'm glad I make you laugh. If anything, you have found some entertainment. We all need that.
Now, try to get a sense of the world you live in. You may find some entertaiment there too - if that's what you're after.
Your sort of comment was expected as your reaction (or non-reaction) is what the 9/11 coverup machine hopes to achieve. We're not living in a matrix, just a goon-infested world. You're free to be a fan of the goons, just don't make fun of people who are not.
The set, the suit, the flowers are different? So what? It's a different set, on a different day and he's wearing a different freaking suit! I still can't figure out what this has to do with anything!
Nothing. -.- I was mentioning it because it's not like with 9/11 where they have some very weird sets and network teams. Unless we see some weird timeline, it's just a different outfit, team, and set.
The public has been brainwashed to be fearful of inquiry and to accept the lie that even the laws of nature can be violated (i.e., Newtonian physics). In this delusional state they are in, they will never question anything, but will readily believe whatever lies will fend off the inevitable heartbreak; like a lover who refuses to believe their spouse is cheating on them when the signs are all there.
In their state of "inquiry paranoia and hysteria," someone must do their thinking for them.
Thanks Simon, its obvious people (sheep) still trust media and will never learn, never question and never look for themselves, they want the answers served on a silver plait. Once again the media is giving the answers, and the people (sheep) is buying it from the same people that sold them 9/11.
This media dress rehearsal for the big event is going according to plan, so go back to sleep people (sheep) the government, military and media will take care of you.
Well, if it's a "hit," and if everyone on board - especially the 9/11 widow - must die to reinforce the idea in the public's mind that "planes caused 9/11," then there is no choice but to have a impact that will kill everyone. The "straight down" nose-dive impact of this "accident" does not seem natural at all.
Don't forget the Paul Wellstone hit, either. Another case of a plane doing just fine and them suddenly - kaput! Blamed on ice, also, with no justification for such a conclusion.
the black newscaster at 4:50 does voice overs for alex jones. .....its true listen to his voice. he's recorded a couple years back ffor gcn . same exact voice.
I am very much familiar with your work, Simon, and I think September Clues is excellent. But what are you getting at here exactly? What was the purpose of this alleged fakery? What are they trying to cover up as you claim? Can you break all the information you have down for us and explain exactly what you believe happened and why?
MDJarv. Like everyone else, I only have the TV and MSM material to go on. It is of course too early to draw any sort of conclusions. At the moment I only have the sense that something isn't quite right and hope others will join in and 'keep an eye' on the newsmedia.The reason I put this together so early was just to keep some record of the first reports on this, as you know such info has a tendency to disappear in time. ..So let's see how this develops while gathering all the information.
Now, let me express some of my feelings here on my own youtube page. First of all, let me tell you that I've criss-crossed America with an old 1965 Cadillac 'Coupé de Ville' which I bought for 300 bucks from a guy in San Fernando Valley, California. Sweet memories indeed...America rocks...Today I wonder : do Americans REALLY buy the stuff spewed by the mainstream media? Do they ever question it ? Perhaps it is easier to question a lone reseacher like myself rather than the TV networks...
YOU IDIOTS!!!! Lets suppose the government is responsible for 9/11 and REALLY WANTED TO KILL A CIVILIAN in an attempt to cover up 9/11, wouldn't you think they would do it in a more DISCREET way than bringing down a Commuter plane... USE YOUR HEADS!!!!
It would be unbelievably easy to make it look like a random act of violence. Who would suspect the government in that case?? Just for the record... I am not someone who believes everything the government says, and i do believe they are responsible for certain cover ups... but you got to be half retarded to believe the shit you are trying to sell.
Nobody's trying to sell anything here, dimwit. We are simply investigating a few suspicious angles of this thing. You are not even close to the gist of what's going on here.
And any method of murder would still raise suspicions. But, more importantly, it would be less sensational for the totalitarian media and have much less psyops potential.
They own the media and the crash investigators, so they can actually "cover it up" much better this way.
A real murder investigation would be less publicized, true, but could actually lead people places they don't want them to go. Things could get a little complicated, depending, and could possibly get a little out of control. It could take a long time to resolve.
Here, it's very simple: Accident. NTSB says so. End of story. Case closed.
If these people are able to successfully pull of the most horrific attack on american soil in history like you are saying... They would have absolutely no problem erasing one lonely widow... It certainly is not necessary for them to bring down a whole plane for that purpose and they would know that... your theory holds absolutely no water.
Well, there is "no point" because you're missing it! (lol)
Also, logic is methodology, silly. There are no conclusions drawn about this yet, so I don't know what you're imagining in your little head.
This is only an investigation about something unusual and highly suspicious at this point. At least for me it is. Important things just do not add up, and there have been at least one or two misleading statements/ lies made by the head of the NTSB investigators and media about it already.
Important things don't add up for you because you believe in a fairy tale... I SAY ONCE AGAIN.. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE TO SAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11... If you can offer me some REAL EVIDENCE, I will eat my words.
Is there something really horrible going on in your life right now? Is it your parents. Others?
Or, do you do drugs? I really hope not, man.
I'm not trying to be funny. Really. If you want someone to talk to about a personal problem, I'd be glad to help in any way I can. You can email me if you think you can trust me. I don't know if I can help, but I'll do my best.
Well, it is hard to describe the inner workings of a conspiracy from the outside. A conspiracy, by nature, keeps its inner workings covert between the conspirators themselves.
But the fact of whether or not there actually IS a conspiracy behind a given event can be proven by pointing to things that could not possibly occur "but for" the existence of a conspiracy of some kind. Even though we do not understand its internal workings, we know that a conspiracy and ONLY a conspiracy was its cause.
I still have not seen anything that points to a conspiracy... Tell me, give me an estimate on the number of people you think were aware of the conspiracy.
As George Bush Sr. said in a speech not long ago about the JFK assassination (paraphrase), "Let the conspiracy theorists talk ALL they want to. It is the Warren Report stands as the DECISIVE and CONCLUSIVE account of what happened on November 22, 1963."
Does he care that 80% of the American public does not accept the findings Warren Report? Obviously not. They control the courts and the media. Why should it bother him at all what the powerless think?
Number? Well, again, it is just speculation. I don't think about the numbers much. The conspiracy exists. That's the important thing. 9/11 could not have happened as it did without a conspiracy, so what do the numbers really matter?
Let's say there were 2,000 people who carried it out, with 20 people at the very top. Do you think everything went perfect? Obviously not. Do you think they even cared about the mistakes? Why should they when there is no power on earth that could have stopped them?
Its just speculation?? Your whole theory is based on speculation?? And that would be what tells me there was no conspiracy... A conspiracy can not be successful when that many people know about it. If this is true, there is no doubt someone would have let their conscience get to them by now and would have come out and said it. That is just way too many people. And by the way what happened that can only be explained by conspiracy?
It sounds like a good argument, but, then again, you do not know what it is like to operate in the sphere of reality they operate in. What kind of thoughts go on in their head.
Where would someone in this conspiracy go with a "conscience?" To the media? The government? Can you see how silly an idea that is?
Would they even be admitted to this worldwide conspiratorial brotherhood without having voluntarily undergone massive brainwashing which has been scientifically verified to a certainty?
The evidence is there, you are not looking hard enough to see it.
And, if you understand Newton's Law of Physics - nothing difficult like Relativity or Quantum Mechanics; just the basic laws of motion and forces, you will be 100% certain of the conspiracy because: (1) it is the only way to explain the complete and absolute dustification of WTC 1, 2, and 7, and (2), just as clearly, the fact the all of the videos of airplanes hitting the WTC are complete forgeries. Actually very poor forgeries!
As for speculation, just like scientists may speculate or theorize about the inner workings of distant galaxies which have been discovered to exist, likewise, there is only speculation and theorizing about the details of this conspiracy. The conspiracy itself exists. It is scientific fact based upon the laws of physics.
Tell me how you think it's possible for 3 buildings (two 110-story skyscrapers and a 47-story skyscraper) to be demolished in perfectly precise demolition fashion (10-15 seconds, 10-15 seconds, and 6 seconds apiece) by two random explosion from two airplane crashes, and for 90% of the concrete in those structures to turn into dust?
First off.. TWO WERE HIT BY 747s and were on fire for an hour or so being fueled by jet fuel. once the building is weakened how do you expect it to hold another 15 stories of steel and concrete.. IT CANT.. And it fell in 15 seconds because we have this little thing on earth called gravity. As for building 7, it was on fire til about 5 pm with gas tanks lines and shit exploding, its also bound to fall. And if you dont think fuel can do a number on steel and cement watch this. watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw
Gravity huh? Yeah, I heard of it. So did the lower part of the towers, I mean the steel and concrete not "on fire", did that lower part disappear to allow gravity to follow its unhindered course?
because you have fifteen plus stories of steel and concrete which is sort of kind of heavy Imploding on the rest of the building.. What do you think steel beams are gonna prevent that.
I'm the same way. When I want to get somewhere I don't care if I walk through air or steel and concrete. Makes no difference to me. And I don't bounce off things either. I just go right through. But that's me.
yea a steel beam could support you... a slab of steel would support you even better... But you arent a skyscraper falling from the sky are you... And there was no solid steel slab WHICH would slow it from falling... Only weak steel beams.
Prevent what, Ryan? The collapse? Was he saying that?
No, he wasn't saying that. See, you are not listening, Ryan. He said, "for gravity to follow its UNHINDERED course."
In other words, for the upper portions of the buildings have to reached the ground at a speed as indistinguishable AS IF the lower floors were NOT EVEN THERE!
How do you expect beams of steel to hinder that much weight at all... It wouldn't .... its like dropping a bowling ball through toothpicks... there was no solid base that would slow it down.
The sum total gravitational potential energy of the upper portions of the buildings cannot BOTH get those upper stories to the ground as quickly as it did (at near free-fall speed) AND do any significant destructive potential the lower floors at the same time.
How is this too hard to grasp? There is only X amount of gravitational potential energy in the upper portions of each of the two buildings: X amount and no more than X amount.
how can it not fall at NEAR freefall speed when it has NEARLY no resistance.... It makes perfect sense.... Listen i don't find it hard to believe that our government would be capable of mass murder.. They would.. They are corrupt and evil.. My only problem is lack of any evidence to support your theory.
If you use up all, or nearly of all, of the total gravitational potential energy of those upper portions of the building TO GET those upper portions to the ground at nearly free fall speed (as is evident in the videos), then you have practically NOTHING - NOTHING AT ALL - of each portions' gravitational potential energy LEFT OVER to destroy the lower portions of the buildings. O.K?
so you are saying that all of the building being demolished by the top stories falling just disappeared??? It didn't cause more weight falling on the lower floors?? Is this what you are saying?? Why would it stop falling once it hit lower floors.
why would it fall to the side when the beams it is sitting on are are slumping downward in somewhat a U shape?? Tell me what would happen if the bottom of that U fell out.. Everything sitting it is supporting above it will fall out as well.. It would follow the same path the bottom of the U took... its not like someone took a chainsaw and cut the building in two like a tree.... and the building is not solid like a tree...
So, irrefutably, the energy to destroy the lower portions of the buildings MUST have come from something OTHER THAN the gravitational potential energy of the upper stories, BECAUSE almost all of the gravitational potential energy of those upper stories WAS CONVERTED into the KINETIC energy that was NEEDED to get those upper portions to the ground AT nearly free-fall speed. O.K? It takes ENERGY to get those upper portions to the ground at nearly free fall speed. Where ya' gettin' it from, Ryan?
ok... so when is the last time you saw a 747 crash into a 110 story skyscaper??? Never before 9/11 right?? Then how do you know exactly how fast it would fall?? its unprecidented and to claim you would know how exacty it would fall with absolutely no evidence is simply ignorant... a WEAK buiding had a 747 go through it.... What would you think would happen to the building?
Ryan, a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building in 1945 going over 300 mph. Almost all of it landed on the ground outside the building, and on other buildings. Everybody was back to work a couple days later.
Of course, missiles hit the buildings, but I cite that just to counter your false assumption of unprecedentedness about airplanes.
Thank you.. Now that i have seen it, i will comment... The empire state building appears to be larger width wise... Also the B-25d is a much smaller plane than a 747 thus carries much less fuel... If you look at pictures from the crash you can see how much smaller of a hole is in the empire state building than was in the wtc.. So i say again a 747 crashing into a building such as the WTC is UNPRECIDENTED.
My cousin's husband and I were discussing 9/11 last year and he got hung up on the same thing. He couldn't believe a conspiracy could be carried out over a long period of time by hundreds of people. He thought surely it would fail in some way; that it was too cumbersome to succeed; or that internal conflict was inevitable. But what he was assuming was that the conspiracy itself would have no way to deal with these kinds of eventualities; that there was no mechanism in place to handle them.
What he was forgetting, also, was that this particular conspiracy is "above the law."It completely controls the law, and, so, it has absolutely nothing to fear from the law. It also completely controls the major media, and, so, it has absolutely nothing to fear from the media.
It has no outside pressure on it whatsoever that it cannot deal with. It is master of its own destiny. Even if 90% of the public knew it existed, that is still no "legal threat" to it or "publicity threat" to it.
First of all it's not the government, it's the masons, the very richest men, the ones who rule the world behind the curtains. The government is just their puppet, like obama.
Your comment is so stupid and ignorant. They can kill in every way they like, because they are the elite! they chose to do so because of the ritual involved.
Simon, I hope your right about renewed interest, but Planes crash, Levies break, and bridges collapes. And only with 15% of USA think something is fishy about 911. The minor ones don't mater. Most people don't care. But we can try ;) Be Heard Everyone.
I'm afraid I don't get it...your point is... a fake plane? A tv fakery? Or a way to kill somebody, a political assassination? Yet I didn't know about that family and the vid posted on youtube. Weird indeed.
Bastienjack : Yes, I know...it's hard to wrap your mind around this : but all we can do (and it goes a long way) is to focus on the blatant inconsistencies presented to us by the TV networks - and the fathomable motives they would have to stage such a heartbreaking event . Just think of it : "A 9/11 widow dying in a planecrash"...
This will no doubt stir up new controversies around 'plane'-related incidents and generate more, renewed public rejection of 'conspiracy theories'.
it is strange how the american news reporters dont show emotion, even on 9/11, whereas in my country, ireland, on 9/11 the news reporters were in shock and almost shedding tears when they were reporting 9/11 events hours after they happened. does that mean us media know exactly what is going to happen beforehand or are they extremely professional?
Now COMPARE this wreckage to Pentagon and Pennsylvania fields...where was THEIR wreckage???
shweamel 4 months ago
what.. does the flowers have to do with anything?
smells like they just got pulled out of a ass with that one :T
Yenaboi 5 months ago
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The evidence shows that problems in the propeller control unit caused the upset, not pilot error. Most of the eyewitnesses on the ground said the engines sounded like they were in trouble, and a large number said the aircraft was on fire before it crashed.
starviego 8 months ago
I wonder if the pilot ,(knowing they were going to crash), couldve steered down enough to crash straight down instead of at an angle so they would only hit a small area on the ground instead of taking out the neighborhood? sounds far fetched since there was a loss of control of the plane but ya never know! If so that pilot is a hero and saved a whole lot of lives but again, Ya just never know.
volhead49 9 months ago
I don't think the tail section surviving a crash is firm evidence that a plane crash was faked, or whatever conclusion I was supposed to draw from this. The tail section is often the part of the airplane that survives a crash very well intact. What is your other logic, and what is the exact conclusion you have drawn? I am not trying to say you are wrong, or start a fight, but I am curious.
636roadrunner 1 year ago
@636roadrunner and why did they point out flowers not being the same?...
Yenaboi 5 months ago
Probably a gov. black ops hit job.
They got her and shut her up.
RayAir1 1 year ago
This is unbelievable. I mean, I cannot believe this is happening. RIP Beverly Eckert, we will continue to press for the truth. Unreal. Is this really happening in my country?
invincibleironman3 1 year ago
@invincibleironman3 the pilots were not flying manually. They had auto pilot on. That is a big no no in icy conditions. It's also even wrose when said pilots are not looking at the fact that there air speed is slowing down. It also does not help that Colgan Air is a cheap ass airline and like all cheap ass airlines do crap job with there pilots.
Epica124 1 year ago
@Epica124 ...all I know was Eckert was part of the truth movement, had intended on suing the Federal Government and the Saudi Royal Family, and continued to champion the cause of victims of 9/11, and she died in a commuter plane accident.,and Barry Jennings died. - the whole thing stinks to high hell, and they allowed the Bin Ladens to fly out. They made it out, just fine. A whole lot of cheap ass airlines FLY PERFECTLY. Especally over short distances.
invincibleironman3 1 year ago
@invincibleironman3 It did not matter who Eckert was becasue the facts are. They had two pilots flying the plane who broke ever rule in the book. You throwing out false info as to why the went down just make fly more unsafe. Becasue instead of fixing the problems. Ie having two pilots flying with very little flight traning these things keep happening
Epica124 1 year ago
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invincibleironman3 1 year ago
@invincibleironman3 You can have you're opininon. You can not have you're own facts. And you can not use you're own facts to put my fly or any one else life in danger when we get an airplane.
Epica124 1 year ago
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@Epica124 ... ... OK....you keep believing that. REALITY says otherwise. They will kill you, and 3,000 people just like you. How the hell did you think the Bin Ladens got out days after 9/11......in the five years after 9/11, the Pentagon has tripled its defense contracts in one fiscal year alone. Who builds the bases? The Bin Ladens. trillions have disappeared right in the face of the American people.... "Get out of my country"....YOUR COUNTRY? you must be delusional. Happy Fourth!
invincibleironman3 1 year ago
They need to pay pilots more money.
ianjohn05 1 year ago
the girl at beggening,"Hysterycal""?
ninjashaun1337 1 year ago
perhaps a bold message to a handful of mice that "'Beverly' sleeps with the fishes"
andastroz 2 years ago
excellent work
ancientkiki 2 years ago 2
omg. i live in Fredonia and i was right near here and my mother knew the one old couple on there.
themonsterofyou 2 years ago
Seems like long lengths to go to to wipe out a 9/11 Truth pest, but this indeed seems like more perception management dressed up as news. Keep pushing, Simon. Humble thanks again for what's been and in advance for what's to come.
sxmadrid 2 years ago 6
Rethink: The '9/11 Truth Pest' was a bogus character promoting the concept of 911 victims, so I guess only the character was written off with a burst of publicity for those phony victims.
sxmadrid 2 years ago
the man that died on ground was my uncle...
jillyandambie101 2 years ago
and mine!
sxmadrid 2 years ago
I did watch the CBS 'Victims of Flight 3407' video clip on the side and thought it's interesting how they mention the captain and officer had many many more flight hours (2200-3000+) than the current NTSB transcripts of conversations between the officer & captain insinuate (1300-1600?)
PrettyMissAshley 2 years ago
So what is the point of this video? I'm not understanding. What is the connection you're making with 9/11 or are you just trying to say this wasn't a 'real' incident. Obviously it is very much real because of all the victim's families.
There is no attack here, I'm just curious and trying to understand what exact connection you're trying to make.
PrettyMissAshley 2 years ago 3
PrettyMissAshley : This is the (condensed) story as we can read it from the media reports : " Flight 3407 fell straight out of the air plumetting like a stone on an 18sqm plot of land killing all onboard. The fire was the fiercest the local firemen had ever experienced. Yet, the tail section survived uncharred - and even the intact tail number was neatly photographed and broadcast on TV".
This alone does not sound right, you see? Especially since we now know much of 9/11 was faked on TV.
simonshack 2 years ago
Well, yes, it all does sound very suspicious..I thought so even from the very beginning. My line of thinking was more along the lines of "These planes fly in this weather all of the time, HOW (not 'why') was this mistake made??" But what about the people aboard? They perished, no faking that. By fake, do you mean that just the STORY is fake, yet the EVENTS are still real?
PrettyMissAshley 2 years ago
I am not drawing any firm conclusions from this episode. It caught my attention because the wife of a 9/11 victim perished in that crash. As TV churned out the reports, I saw some similarities with the TV reports of 9/11 - which my longstanding video research has firmly demonstrated were grossly manipulated.
simonshack 2 years ago
Thank you for exposing these lier's.
dacowboy68 2 years ago 6
@simonshack
no no, le simon... this was a plot from the women from the house to kill her husband and collect huge insurance.. 9/11 is just a smoke screen!
did u know she made an insurance on her husband (including a plane falling on their house) just 2 weeks prior??
this is a huge rabbit hole, man!
also, 7+8-4=11
it all adds up, dude...
goriIa199 1 year ago
@PrettyMissAshley ..the point is..THEY ARE KILLING MATERIAL WITNESSES TO 9/11....Period. The connections are all too obvious. Theyve been killing and putting surveillance on people for decades. Several aircrashes were set to do so throughout history. And real people die in PLANNED "Accidents" Beverly Eckert was an important member of the victims advocacy and met Obama a couple of months before this incident happened. This is about American Primacy in Eurasia, PERIOD.
invincibleironman3 1 year ago
@invincibleironman3 You see this is just what you are doing. Let's not go after Colgan Air they did nothing wrong. Thank you for keep that cheap ass airline running. Now get the hell out of my country.
Epica124 1 year ago
Some things are very fishy about this crash.
Well respected aircraft with no related accidents due to icing. (landing gear, yes)
De-icing equipment automatic and world class. Used by several leading aircraft manufacturers.
Out of context quotes from questionable cockpit voice recorder transcripts leads readers to believe pilots were speaking of ice on wings when they were actually referring to ice on the windshield. (maybe)
The aircraft created no forward motion in 2000 feet?
Thanks simon.
barrywilliamsmb 2 years ago
i drove by the site today, and its hard to believe that only one house was taken out.
jaysend13 2 years ago 3
Thanks for your interesting comment. Are there many inhabited houses around ? I'm asking because I remember reading some researcher saying the area had plenty of non-inhabited houses. Maybe next time you drive by the area you could talk with some neighbors.
simonshack 2 years ago
i really wasnt paying attention to the surrounding houses, as i was busy looking for the particular site when i turned onto long street. I wanted to park my car and look around, but i felt like i was being watched... as there were some landscapers working on land across the street.
jaysend13 2 years ago 2
There are 2 or 3 houses for rent. But the majority of the neighborhood is filled with families. I went to school with the girl in the house at the time and I have a friend whos mother and sister live across the street. I am a skeptic here but don't get me wrong I definitely appreciate citizens questioning the media and what the government tells us. According to the declaration of independence it is our duty to do that.
gjg17 2 years ago
Another great vid simonshack,t.v fakery once again trounces news media.Hope all who watch this watch your fantastic September Clues vids,they are the wake up call.
tiewebb 2 years ago 2
I think this crash was souly done because of Beverly Eckert. Beverly had a court date set up to get information on 911. She was a strong believer that 911 was an inside job, and the Gov. knew she was a threat.
olshwa 2 years ago
@olshwa ...absolutely right. Barry Jennings was another victim of this as well. He had the connection to the explosives being controlled at WTC. A shame.
invincibleironman3 1 year ago
It sounds like something was onboard. Witnesses described explosions on the ground. I don't necessarily think a bomb took it out ..... it just sounds like they lost their engines.
Buffalo is a neat little town, don't let the locals tell you different. They love their seasons, they have a good college scene, and an amazing deli downtown ...not to mention the gotham style police building.
We can only pray for the families and the community.
ZXPA2 2 years ago
This "incident" is so bogus. I do not believe people could survive from that house. Notice how clear the "flight number" is. None of the neighboring houses are damaged. Contradicting reports - regarding ice, then how the plane landed. The whole things seems staged and fake.
benedictrove 2 years ago
Only if you refuse to look at the real facts.
Of course, facts don't make for another retarded conspiracy theory,
Next.
cve70 2 years ago
@cve70 ..here are some facts. It was PLANNED to get us into an unending war, and the Pentagon budget has doubled. Bush knew the Bin Ladens and the General who wire transferred 100,000 to Mohammed Atta met with U.S. officials the day of 9/11 and George Bush had a meeting with the brother of Osama Bin Laden on the morning of 9/11. Eckert PLANNED TO SUE the government and Saudi Royal Family and was gathering momentum - PERIOD. 7 of the named hijackers are still alive.
invincibleironman3 1 year ago
I knew that first photo was bogus. Seemed impossible. It was unscathed. The photo is too clean.
Also check out the video of the guy who "showed up" at the command center. I was up that night. The guy with the law-school sister, parents vacationing in florida. Talking to every reporter. Where did he go ?
Where did this story go in the news ? What about 4 Northrup-Grumann employees supposedly being onboard. Why is this the company that had people on there ..... and not Betty Crocker ?
ZXPA2 2 years ago
I have been asking myself too. Where? To many victims have to many interesting back grounds.
poochickenone 2 years ago
TOO
prestonite 2 years ago
there was also a Ratheon exec on each plane on 9/11.
scottishcreamthe1st 2 years ago
So? If you were to examine every crash, you would find the same thing.
Next.
cve70 2 years ago
what do you mean about the same thing
poochickenone 2 years ago
Check out this no-planer vid in Spanish that's gotten over 1.3 million views. Damn good numbers, huh?
/watch?v=r6BrQ4OWj3g&feature=PlayList&p=858C540BDD9B3C79&index=0&playnext=1
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
A good idea of what Low flying planes look like is at "Kai Tak Kowloon" in Korea.. A plane crash: El Al 1862. It hit a stick and stucco apartment complex and aside from where it hit, the place was intact. Just type in the names
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago 2
Thank you for the reference on both videos, there is a huge difference in the Kai Tak planes then the amateur footage of 911. The thing I don't understand of the EL AL crash I could only find a documentary, no news coverage. But I considering one more notch on their belt ;(
poochickenone 2 years ago
I just typed in El Al 1862 and there were videos. sometimes you have to keep clicking on links. and Korea is interesting. Slower but not really lower.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
But the you can distinctly hear the engines, were as the amateur footage it is more faint. Huge difference considering the 911 planes are only 500ft higher. I'll keep looking for the EL AL news footage.
poochickenone 2 years ago
Has any noticed that since the NSTB press release last Saturday stating they didn't know how flight 3407 crashed, this story disappeared from the news.
poochickenone 2 years ago
That newwoman at the end seemed very abrupt and rude considering the woman lost her husband. Like it is her story and not the wife's story. Very sad.
Praestantia111 2 years ago
O.K., Ryan, we're really going off into Wonderland here. Upper stories with 1/6th the mass of the lower stories, like bowling balls versus toothpicks. I mean, how I am not supposed to laugh at something like that?
Did you read anything I wrote at all? Looks like you didn't.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Would it really matter how many stories of toothpicks (steel beams) there are??? The Weight of the bowling ball (Top stories) Is so heavy it would not matter how many toothpicks there are.... You have a very heavy mass falling straight down through basically a hollow building.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Gee, somebody should have told those architects not to build that immovable toothpick structure on top of that incredibly frail toothpick structure.
NeanderthalUFO 2 years ago
yea because skyscrapers are designe for 747 target practice right?? I appreciate the sarcasim
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Ryan, the chair I'm sitting on right now is "hollow" underneath it. I weigh 15x as much as it does. Yet, it has absolutely no problem stopping my ass from hitting the ground. Go figure!
Ryan, the building underneath the damaged structure was not WEAK. That is pure fantasy. It is a delusion/hallucination that you're having about that under-portion of the WTC in your mind that's keeping you out of touch with reality.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
let your chair burn for an hour and a half and see if it still supports your weight... Also are you saying that 85% of the US population is "Out of touch with reality" because we base our belief on evidence rather than speculating and drawing conclusions with no hard proof?
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
The under-portion was not burning in ANY of the videos. So, now you've turned to lies. Hmm?
Well, I won't waste my time with a liar. An dumbed-down teen was worth a little effort, but talking to a liar is simply a waste.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago 2
i never said the bottom portion was burning... what was burning the floors that were hit by planes, weakening those beams holding the top part up... those beams buckled and it imploded on its self... How do you suppose a controlled demolition can be carried out in broad daylight in one of the busiest cities on earth... HOW?!?!?!
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Well, then that would mean my "chair" which I'm sitting on isn't burning. either. And, therefore, your analogy has been refuted.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
I didn't say your chair was burning dude... i said suppose it was... If it were burning where the legs met the platform in which you sit in... your chair would give way and you would fall just as the towers did.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
No, the platform is the top of the under-portion of the WTC that was NOT burning (i.e., the topmost of the intact floors under the falling upper ones.) There's nothing wrong with the platform. I would be the one burning and my weight would be falling on top of the intact platform with the structural supports under it. That's my analogy.
Which is, obviously, much more to the point than a bowling ball on toothpicks, which "VAPORIZES" after crushing the toothpicks. Wonder how that happened? lol
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
if the sear isn't connected to the legs you would fall through.. but it is irrelevant... Anyway good debate.. and like i said we just have to agree to disagree.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
I hope you will start to see your way through the deception of all these devil bastards that you now trust asap, Ryan. Things may start to happen very quickly.
The economy is going to get nightmarish quite soon. The bullshit' is getting deeper everyday on that one!
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Whoa whoa... Do not assume I trust these corrupt ass shitheads cuz I dont trust a word they say... I just don't see any evidence that supports a 9/11 conspiracy... I know these guys cover A LOT OF SHIT up... I dont question that.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Well, you do "see" the evidence, because everyone "sees" it. It's all on videotape. You just don't "accept" what you see.
To win this case in court takes nothing more than introducing the videotapes as evidence and having witnesses who will be able to pass lie detector tests to testify as to the nature of the impacts and destruction of the buildings. It's as simple as that. An open and shut case. One of the easiest in history.
I guarantee it would be the easiest case I ever took to court.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
haha. you guarantee it, huh? humor me. what exactly do you think caused this crash and what relevance is there to the photo of the tailcone leaning to the right bearing the ship number?
goneoutthewindow 2 years ago
Go back an follow the thread. The statement you're referring to was not about Flight 3407.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
I got rid of my TV years ago, the media can pump out all the manufactured brainwashing it wants, doesnt mean shit to me. I'm more concerned with reality, "MY" reality, the reality I see every day with my own eyes. The reality that comes out of that glass tube is just smoke and mirrors. They cant get to your mind if you sever the connection. Remember, nobody forces anyone to buy a television, or have cable. Doing so is "CONCENT" as far as the magi are concerned.
InfoSauce 2 years ago
a pimp-slap on tvfakery and you ''simon'", perhaps? familiar with the scrutiny of these videos - 8 years later they create another fake news piece after all. How insulting that they'd use photoshop yet again , tsk tsk tsk
don't kid yourselves, they don't fear your research
oseOkpuppet 2 years ago
If true....From 1:28 to 1:48 constitutes the "smoking gun" that the bad guys can't wiggle their way out of
Good work, Simon
kahlmyishmael 2 years ago
Significant contradiction in WIELINSKI's story.
Story A: WIELINSKI states to an interviewer that she was watching TV and that JILL was also. (It's fair to interpret this as they were watching TV together.)
Story B: WIELINSKI watching TV. Daughter JILL reported as having escaped from upstairs bedroom. (Maybe her mother knew she was watching TV in the bedroom.)
Where is the quavering voice?
Where is the sense that something momentous has occurred?
I thank Simon Shack for validating my intrigue.
ChrisTheAtheist 2 years ago
There's enough evidence of TV fakery in this video to at least arouse a healthy level of suspicion.
My gut reaction to WALLACE and WIELINSKI is that they are both LIARS.
How many photos were taken, Stephen - 200 or 300?. Why is there no evidence of fire in the shot of the caved-in roof at (3:20)? Did the jet fuel not spill there? What's with the photo at (4:07)? It looks like an aerial shot. Did WALLACE jump up on the roof or did he fly to the scene in his chopper?
to be continued...
ChrisTheAtheist 2 years ago
What I don't understand about the 3:20 Pic. why are the walls white, no chard wood, no smoke stains. All it looks like to me is a structure that got hit by a tornado, or hurricane.
poochickenone 2 years ago
If we're talking logic wouldn't the crash site be spread over 100s of sq. yards.
poochickenone 2 years ago 4
Proves TV Fakery drank the KoolAid.
This widow was a planehugging, official story hugging, terrorist blaming cheerleader for more fascism.
webfairy2 2 years ago
Webfairy, please note that I am not stating anything in regard to Beverly Eckert as to what she really represented.
I am interested in the newsmedia reporting here and all the facts which, even at this early stage, simply do not seem to add up. Similarities to the deplorable 9/11 TV 'extravaganza' abound.
simonshack 2 years ago
freedomfan1999 A plane crashes well still in cruise control in a residential area destroying only 1 house, a shed, a couple cars, and one death. Doesn't that seem kind of weird.
poochickenone 2 years ago 3
Shanksville
RexNunc 2 years ago
Nothing like Shanksville. There was no plane at all in Shanksville. Here we see what remains of a plane after a crash. It didn't vaporize into the ground or into a building. This one is real....
freedomfan1999 2 years ago
Ahhhh. Yet another "Fake" plane crash. And this is 9/11 propaganda because someone who died was related to someone who died on 9/11? Your really reaching here dude. What exactly is reality to you? Are you living in some premade matrix where nothing is as it seems?
And what the hell does the flowers being different on the good morning america set have to do with anything?
Every one of your videos that come out makes me laugh more and more with their rediculousness.
freedomfan1999 2 years ago
an other women was an expert *in
ruanda-war issues.
*whitness
Realizalize 2 years ago
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poochickenone 2 years ago
Yep, Plus I think husband Bob knew someone in the air plane, The lady that worked for Roswell cancer research is fascinating in a X Files kind of way.
poochickenone 2 years ago
for Roswell cancer research
?? mind to help me out here.!?
Realizalize 2 years ago
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poochickenone 2 years ago
freedomfan1999 : I'm glad I make you laugh. If anything, you have found some entertainment. We all need that.
Now, try to get a sense of the world you live in. You may find some entertaiment there too - if that's what you're after.
Your sort of comment was expected as your reaction (or non-reaction) is what the 9/11 coverup machine hopes to achieve. We're not living in a matrix, just a goon-infested world. You're free to be a fan of the goons, just don't make fun of people who are not.
simonshack 2 years ago
The set, the suit, the flowers are different. I think this crash is fishy and all but it's totally different.
Flirri 2 years ago
The set, the suit, the flowers are different? So what? It's a different set, on a different day and he's wearing a different freaking suit! I still can't figure out what this has to do with anything!
freedomfan1999 2 years ago
Nothing. -.- I was mentioning it because it's not like with 9/11 where they have some very weird sets and network teams. Unless we see some weird timeline, it's just a different outfit, team, and set.
Flirri 2 years ago
Interesting...
hansjalv 2 years ago 3
The public has been brainwashed to be fearful of inquiry and to accept the lie that even the laws of nature can be violated (i.e., Newtonian physics). In this delusional state they are in, they will never question anything, but will readily believe whatever lies will fend off the inevitable heartbreak; like a lover who refuses to believe their spouse is cheating on them when the signs are all there.
In their state of "inquiry paranoia and hysteria," someone must do their thinking for them.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago 2
the only brainwashing that's being done is by you terrorist loving conspiracy nuts
idaman12345 2 years ago
Thanks Simon, its obvious people (sheep) still trust media and will never learn, never question and never look for themselves, they want the answers served on a silver plait. Once again the media is giving the answers, and the people (sheep) is buying it from the same people that sold them 9/11.
This media dress rehearsal for the big event is going according to plan, so go back to sleep people (sheep) the government, military and media will take care of you.
esharpf 2 years ago 3
Well, if it's a "hit," and if everyone on board - especially the 9/11 widow - must die to reinforce the idea in the public's mind that "planes caused 9/11," then there is no choice but to have a impact that will kill everyone. The "straight down" nose-dive impact of this "accident" does not seem natural at all.
Don't forget the Paul Wellstone hit, either. Another case of a plane doing just fine and them suddenly - kaput! Blamed on ice, also, with no justification for such a conclusion.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
the black newscaster at 4:50 does voice overs for alex jones. .....its true listen to his voice. he's recorded a couple years back ffor gcn . same exact voice.
Ecothearcy 2 years ago
A Manchurian pilot would take the plane straight down, like the one they used with the JFK Jr. assassination.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
I am very much familiar with your work, Simon, and I think September Clues is excellent. But what are you getting at here exactly? What was the purpose of this alleged fakery? What are they trying to cover up as you claim? Can you break all the information you have down for us and explain exactly what you believe happened and why?
MDJarv 2 years ago
MDJarv. Like everyone else, I only have the TV and MSM material to go on. It is of course too early to draw any sort of conclusions. At the moment I only have the sense that something isn't quite right and hope others will join in and 'keep an eye' on the newsmedia.The reason I put this together so early was just to keep some record of the first reports on this, as you know such info has a tendency to disappear in time. ..So let's see how this develops while gathering all the information.
simonshack 2 years ago
Now, let me express some of my feelings here on my own youtube page. First of all, let me tell you that I've criss-crossed America with an old 1965 Cadillac 'Coupé de Ville' which I bought for 300 bucks from a guy in San Fernando Valley, California. Sweet memories indeed...America rocks...Today I wonder : do Americans REALLY buy the stuff spewed by the mainstream media? Do they ever question it ? Perhaps it is easier to question a lone reseacher like myself rather than the TV networks...
simonshack 2 years ago
How many stars on our flag again?
mindprism 2 years ago
YOU IDIOTS!!!! Lets suppose the government is responsible for 9/11 and REALLY WANTED TO KILL A CIVILIAN in an attempt to cover up 9/11, wouldn't you think they would do it in a more DISCREET way than bringing down a Commuter plane... USE YOUR HEADS!!!!
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Morons like this dud make easy dupes.
OzzybanOswald 2 years ago 3
you're missing the point, you idiot.
tomfrankly 2 years ago 2
What better way to kill someone so that there will never be a criminal investigation than to make it look like an "accident?" What are you thinking?
What "discreet" way do you suggest that would not create a suspicion of a murder or be more likely to fail?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago 2
It would be unbelievably easy to make it look like a random act of violence. Who would suspect the government in that case?? Just for the record... I am not someone who believes everything the government says, and i do believe they are responsible for certain cover ups... but you got to be half retarded to believe the shit you are trying to sell.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Nobody's trying to sell anything here, dimwit. We are simply investigating a few suspicious angles of this thing. You are not even close to the gist of what's going on here.
And any method of murder would still raise suspicions. But, more importantly, it would be less sensational for the totalitarian media and have much less psyops potential.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Less SENSATIONAL??? If this woman was killed in a driveby, you would have never even heard her name?
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Exactly my point!
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
thats my point... If they wanted to cover it up.. that would be the way to do it..
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
They own the media and the crash investigators, so they can actually "cover it up" much better this way.
A real murder investigation would be less publicized, true, but could actually lead people places they don't want them to go. Things could get a little complicated, depending, and could possibly get a little out of control. It could take a long time to resolve.
Here, it's very simple: Accident. NTSB says so. End of story. Case closed.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
If these people are able to successfully pull of the most horrific attack on american soil in history like you are saying... They would have absolutely no problem erasing one lonely widow... It certainly is not necessary for them to bring down a whole plane for that purpose and they would know that... your theory holds absolutely no water.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
You're missing the whole point. lol
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
There is no point to be missed... you base your logic on ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Well, there is "no point" because you're missing it! (lol)
Also, logic is methodology, silly. There are no conclusions drawn about this yet, so I don't know what you're imagining in your little head.
This is only an investigation about something unusual and highly suspicious at this point. At least for me it is. Important things just do not add up, and there have been at least one or two misleading statements/ lies made by the head of the NTSB investigators and media about it already.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Important things don't add up for you because you believe in a fairy tale... I SAY ONCE AGAIN.. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE TO SAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11... If you can offer me some REAL EVIDENCE, I will eat my words.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Is there something really horrible going on in your life right now? Is it your parents. Others?
Or, do you do drugs? I really hope not, man.
I'm not trying to be funny. Really. If you want someone to talk to about a personal problem, I'd be glad to help in any way I can. You can email me if you think you can trust me. I don't know if I can help, but I'll do my best.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
My biggest pet peeve is the stupidity of people.. That is my only problem.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
There's a lot of stupidity in the world, Ryan, and it's not gonna go away any time soon.
I don't like it any more than you do. It's something, however, that we all have to deal with.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
i understand.. but it seems to me every 9/11 conspiracist i have talked to doesn't understand how a conspiracy works.. thats all i have to say.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Well, it is hard to describe the inner workings of a conspiracy from the outside. A conspiracy, by nature, keeps its inner workings covert between the conspirators themselves.
But the fact of whether or not there actually IS a conspiracy behind a given event can be proven by pointing to things that could not possibly occur "but for" the existence of a conspiracy of some kind. Even though we do not understand its internal workings, we know that a conspiracy and ONLY a conspiracy was its cause.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
I still have not seen anything that points to a conspiracy... Tell me, give me an estimate on the number of people you think were aware of the conspiracy.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
As George Bush Sr. said in a speech not long ago about the JFK assassination (paraphrase), "Let the conspiracy theorists talk ALL they want to. It is the Warren Report stands as the DECISIVE and CONCLUSIVE account of what happened on November 22, 1963."
Does he care that 80% of the American public does not accept the findings Warren Report? Obviously not. They control the courts and the media. Why should it bother him at all what the powerless think?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago 2
Number? Well, again, it is just speculation. I don't think about the numbers much. The conspiracy exists. That's the important thing. 9/11 could not have happened as it did without a conspiracy, so what do the numbers really matter?
Let's say there were 2,000 people who carried it out, with 20 people at the very top. Do you think everything went perfect? Obviously not. Do you think they even cared about the mistakes? Why should they when there is no power on earth that could have stopped them?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Its just speculation?? Your whole theory is based on speculation?? And that would be what tells me there was no conspiracy... A conspiracy can not be successful when that many people know about it. If this is true, there is no doubt someone would have let their conscience get to them by now and would have come out and said it. That is just way too many people. And by the way what happened that can only be explained by conspiracy?
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
It sounds like a good argument, but, then again, you do not know what it is like to operate in the sphere of reality they operate in. What kind of thoughts go on in their head.
Where would someone in this conspiracy go with a "conscience?" To the media? The government? Can you see how silly an idea that is?
Would they even be admitted to this worldwide conspiratorial brotherhood without having voluntarily undergone massive brainwashing which has been scientifically verified to a certainty?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
The evidence is there, you are not looking hard enough to see it.
And, if you understand Newton's Law of Physics - nothing difficult like Relativity or Quantum Mechanics; just the basic laws of motion and forces, you will be 100% certain of the conspiracy because: (1) it is the only way to explain the complete and absolute dustification of WTC 1, 2, and 7, and (2), just as clearly, the fact the all of the videos of airplanes hitting the WTC are complete forgeries. Actually very poor forgeries!
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Get over your "Heresyphobia," Ryan. Heresyphobia is the psychological term for fear of challenges to official doctrine or of radical deviation.
What's right is right, even if it is considered "heresy" or "blasphemy" by the powers that be.
History has proven most heresies right!
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
As for speculation, just like scientists may speculate or theorize about the inner workings of distant galaxies which have been discovered to exist, likewise, there is only speculation and theorizing about the details of this conspiracy. The conspiracy itself exists. It is scientific fact based upon the laws of physics.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago 2
Tell me how this is scientific fact based on physics... What doesn't gel with you?
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Tell me how you think it's possible for 3 buildings (two 110-story skyscrapers and a 47-story skyscraper) to be demolished in perfectly precise demolition fashion (10-15 seconds, 10-15 seconds, and 6 seconds apiece) by two random explosion from two airplane crashes, and for 90% of the concrete in those structures to turn into dust?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
First off.. TWO WERE HIT BY 747s and were on fire for an hour or so being fueled by jet fuel. once the building is weakened how do you expect it to hold another 15 stories of steel and concrete.. IT CANT.. And it fell in 15 seconds because we have this little thing on earth called gravity. As for building 7, it was on fire til about 5 pm with gas tanks lines and shit exploding, its also bound to fall. And if you dont think fuel can do a number on steel and cement watch this. watch?v=hXb5M8qKrjw
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Gravity huh? Yeah, I heard of it. So did the lower part of the towers, I mean the steel and concrete not "on fire", did that lower part disappear to allow gravity to follow its unhindered course?
Are people really this dim?
OzzybenOswald 2 years ago
because you have fifteen plus stories of steel and concrete which is sort of kind of heavy Imploding on the rest of the building.. What do you think steel beams are gonna prevent that.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Are you oblivious to the rule that a force in motion will follow the path of least resistance?
OzzybenOswald 2 years ago
Beams of steel would offer virtually no resistance to that weight.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Yeah, steel and concrete...pfff!
I'm the same way. When I want to get somewhere I don't care if I walk through air or steel and concrete. Makes no difference to me. And I don't bounce off things either. I just go right through. But that's me.
OzzybanOswald 2 years ago
yea a steel beam could support you... a slab of steel would support you even better... But you arent a skyscraper falling from the sky are you... And there was no solid steel slab WHICH would slow it from falling... Only weak steel beams.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
That's funny as hell, dude!
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Prevent what, Ryan? The collapse? Was he saying that?
No, he wasn't saying that. See, you are not listening, Ryan. He said, "for gravity to follow its UNHINDERED course."
In other words, for the upper portions of the buildings have to reached the ground at a speed as indistinguishable AS IF the lower floors were NOT EVEN THERE!
Do you see the dilemma here?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
How do you expect beams of steel to hinder that much weight at all... It wouldn't .... its like dropping a bowling ball through toothpicks... there was no solid base that would slow it down.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
O.K., Ryan. Here is the crux of the problem:
The sum total gravitational potential energy of the upper portions of the buildings cannot BOTH get those upper stories to the ground as quickly as it did (at near free-fall speed) AND do any significant destructive potential the lower floors at the same time.
How is this too hard to grasp? There is only X amount of gravitational potential energy in the upper portions of each of the two buildings: X amount and no more than X amount.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago 3
how can it not fall at NEAR freefall speed when it has NEARLY no resistance.... It makes perfect sense.... Listen i don't find it hard to believe that our government would be capable of mass murder.. They would.. They are corrupt and evil.. My only problem is lack of any evidence to support your theory.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Now, try to follow this, Ryan,
If you use up all, or nearly of all, of the total gravitational potential energy of those upper portions of the building TO GET those upper portions to the ground at nearly free fall speed (as is evident in the videos), then you have practically NOTHING - NOTHING AT ALL - of each portions' gravitational potential energy LEFT OVER to destroy the lower portions of the buildings. O.K?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
so you are saying that all of the building being demolished by the top stories falling just disappeared??? It didn't cause more weight falling on the lower floors?? Is this what you are saying?? Why would it stop falling once it hit lower floors.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Simply put, it would topple sideways into the open air.
But it's all just chit-chat. The truth is that the collapse videos are fake. However, I doubt you're ready for that.
Your attack may begin now. I'm going out to down some liquids and pass water, then through some solids and then out.
OzzybanOswald 2 years ago
why would it fall to the side when the beams it is sitting on are are slumping downward in somewhat a U shape?? Tell me what would happen if the bottom of that U fell out.. Everything sitting it is supporting above it will fall out as well.. It would follow the same path the bottom of the U took... its not like someone took a chainsaw and cut the building in two like a tree.... and the building is not solid like a tree...
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
So, irrefutably, the energy to destroy the lower portions of the buildings MUST have come from something OTHER THAN the gravitational potential energy of the upper stories, BECAUSE almost all of the gravitational potential energy of those upper stories WAS CONVERTED into the KINETIC energy that was NEEDED to get those upper portions to the ground AT nearly free-fall speed. O.K? It takes ENERGY to get those upper portions to the ground at nearly free fall speed. Where ya' gettin' it from, Ryan?
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
ok... so when is the last time you saw a 747 crash into a 110 story skyscaper??? Never before 9/11 right?? Then how do you know exactly how fast it would fall?? its unprecidented and to claim you would know how exacty it would fall with absolutely no evidence is simply ignorant... a WEAK buiding had a 747 go through it.... What would you think would happen to the building?
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Ryan, a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building in 1945 going over 300 mph. Almost all of it landed on the ground outside the building, and on other buildings. Everybody was back to work a couple days later.
Of course, missiles hit the buildings, but I cite that just to counter your false assumption of unprecedentedness about airplanes.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
tell me at what stories did it hit and please provide evidence.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Google it, Ryan. You'll get all the info you need.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Thank you.. Now that i have seen it, i will comment... The empire state building appears to be larger width wise... Also the B-25d is a much smaller plane than a 747 thus carries much less fuel... If you look at pictures from the crash you can see how much smaller of a hole is in the empire state building than was in the wtc.. So i say again a 747 crashing into a building such as the WTC is UNPRECIDENTED.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
The B-25 was not THAT much smaller. Yet, the degree of damage was: much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much...... less. lol
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
Yes it was much smaller hitting a larger building but you know what.. we just have to agree to disagree... Good debate.
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
My cousin's husband and I were discussing 9/11 last year and he got hung up on the same thing. He couldn't believe a conspiracy could be carried out over a long period of time by hundreds of people. He thought surely it would fail in some way; that it was too cumbersome to succeed; or that internal conflict was inevitable. But what he was assuming was that the conspiracy itself would have no way to deal with these kinds of eventualities; that there was no mechanism in place to handle them.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
What he was forgetting, also, was that this particular conspiracy is "above the law."It completely controls the law, and, so, it has absolutely nothing to fear from the law. It also completely controls the major media, and, so, it has absolutely nothing to fear from the media.
It has no outside pressure on it whatsoever that it cannot deal with. It is master of its own destiny. Even if 90% of the public knew it existed, that is still no "legal threat" to it or "publicity threat" to it.
EvilUSAandthe911Lie 2 years ago
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poochickenone 2 years ago
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poochickenone 2 years ago
First of all it's not the government, it's the masons, the very richest men, the ones who rule the world behind the curtains. The government is just their puppet, like obama.
Your comment is so stupid and ignorant. They can kill in every way they like, because they are the elite! they chose to do so because of the ritual involved.
They are paranoid
fresniak 2 years ago
How are my comments ignorant?? Why.. because I am logical and base my logic on FACTS???
YoutoobHatesRyan 2 years ago
Simon, I hope your right about renewed interest, but Planes crash, Levies break, and bridges collapes. And only with 15% of USA think something is fishy about 911. The minor ones don't mater. Most people don't care. But we can try ;) Be Heard Everyone.
poochickenone 2 years ago
I'm afraid I don't get it...your point is... a fake plane? A tv fakery? Or a way to kill somebody, a political assassination? Yet I didn't know about that family and the vid posted on youtube. Weird indeed.
bastienjack 2 years ago
Bastienjack : Yes, I know...it's hard to wrap your mind around this : but all we can do (and it goes a long way) is to focus on the blatant inconsistencies presented to us by the TV networks - and the fathomable motives they would have to stage such a heartbreaking event . Just think of it : "A 9/11 widow dying in a planecrash"...
This will no doubt stir up new controversies around 'plane'-related incidents and generate more, renewed public rejection of 'conspiracy theories'.
simonshack 2 years ago
Oh okay. I understand now. Thanks. And nice video by the way. As usual.
bastienjack 2 years ago
it is strange how the american news reporters dont show emotion, even on 9/11, whereas in my country, ireland, on 9/11 the news reporters were in shock and almost shedding tears when they were reporting 9/11 events hours after they happened. does that mean us media know exactly what is going to happen beforehand or are they extremely professional?
evertonian6 2 years ago