Is it my,or does the phrase "With all due respect",or any other such term like that,get rid of all supposed malicious behavior,and is thus used in a way that people can get away with insults,even when thrown right into their face
Socrates was right. Masses are by definition of the IQ distribution (The Bell Curve) not very intelligent and can't be good leaders of a whole nation, that's laughable at best.
You fail to mention that Athens was in a state of decline, and the environment had become one of intolerance that, in the previous decades, would have been uncharacteristic of that era.
People who ask leading questions that they already know the answer to in order to put someone on the spot and play the "Ha-Ha I Got Your Ass" game are being disingenuous, dishonest, and fucking annoying.
THAT'S why the Athenians killed that asshole Socrates.
Great video. However, I think you overestimate the value of free speech to the Athenian democracy. In modernity- we believe that free speech is natural right- which for us great Kalos Kagathos of the 21st century- means protecting porn and obscenity. Athenian democracy had no such belief in a natural right to free speech- they simply believed in self-governance. Nonetheless, I believe your thesis holds about the natural conflict here between democracy and the good life. keep up the good work!
i would say any system can be used for bad or good accept for facism, rligious fundementalists, right to rule, monarchy and so on because they are inherintly bad. if we had a system where the elected person really did represent us and not a few interests it would be a much higher system!
@rootretard Yeah, they weren't allowed to vote. So in a sense it was a Democracy to those who were allowed to participate. For modern examples of dishonest forms of government, see Iran. Yes, women are free to vote, and have those votes stolen and ignored by those in power. Reading about these problems makes me so glad to live in the United States of America, a country that strives at any rate toward an honest Democracy and the Rule of Law.
I agree with your critics here. You have completely neglected several things:
1. How do you justify leaving the charges of impious behavior without mention? Greek religion played a more constant and pervasive role in ancient Athens than did democracy.
2. Much of what you attempt to attribute to Socrates was not Socrates at all. Socrates never had well-developed political beliefs. Plato did.
3. Socrates spent his time making powerful people look foolish. Motive? duh.
1. Yes, religion was important. Hence the accusation of impiety to make Socrates look bad .
2. Much of what we know of Socrates comes from his disciples Plato & Xenophon.
3. Too simplistic of an assessment, IMO.
Of course, there is room for disagreement. And that's not a bad thing.
But I've posted enough on this subject. Have a look at the books mentioned. at the end of the video. This suggestion is also valid for the other critics.
as good a philosopher & apologist as plato was, he did leave some key hints as to the real reason of socrates execution & death... it's not quite as noble as the image you are all defending. however, that does not mean that the thing plato described never happens.
Peace.
& what mastergame said is right too, he made very few friends with his gift.
the thing is "a man convinced, against his will, is of the same opinion, still"
Furthermore, your depiction of how Socrates was universally despised and branded as a heretic is somewhat unrealistic as well. When the matter of his execution was put to trial, he only lost the vote by a relatively small amount (according to Plato's account in Apology, anyway). Plus, he was not "being silenced for questioning Democracy", he had simply offended many self-proclaimed "experts" by outwitting them and exposing them as idiots.
If I remember correctly, Socrates was a critic of Direct Democracy (the form of Democracy employed by Athens), in which power was given to the masses. I don't recall him being a critic of Representative Democracy, in which the masses elect a representative, so the fact that your using the story of Socrates' execution as a way to voice your opinion against Obama seems somewhat unfounded. In fact, I'm quite sure that Aristotle (the student of Plato) was in favor of Representative Democracy.
@MasterGame12 Relax, he showed Republicans too if you watched close enough.
See what you like I guess.
But your comment proves what I've been saying for years. Obama supporters will imagine attacks. They jump the gun, misrepresent, and claim victim status as their SOP. I think wisdom teaches us to keep the finger off the trigger if we're that high strung. The video shows both sides, but you STILL cry foul for Obama.
Liberal victim pathology and partisanship is getting very boring indeed.
1. I'm actually not a liberal. Please don't assume that I am just because I defended Obama.
2. You're right, actually, I did misinterpret this as a veiled attack on Obama, and I apologise. However, disregarding Obama, the maker of this video does just seem to be using the execution of Socrates as a way to critisise things that are more or less unrelated to it, which just annoys me a bit.
@MasterGame12 If you defend a radical liberal, you may be judged by the company you choose to keep. This seems intuitive to me.
That aside, I can't believe you admitted your misinterpretation - much respect for doing so.
It's true that people attach their own meaning to events. Take the instance of America's founding: ethically challenged teachers summarize it as brutal genocide and scandalous land theft while failing to mention much else of note.
@TheAmericanApologist I couldn't agree more. It isn't just historic events, either. I actually know a number of people who like to put their own personal opinion of things into the mouths of historic figures as well. "That's what the founding fathers would have wanted" is quickly becoming my least favorite phrase. Not that I don't care about the beliefs and opinions of the founding fathers (far from it), but I'm getting sick of people using them as a cheap debate tactic.
@TheAmericanApologist P.S. I personally wouldn't call Obama a "radical" liberal. Liberal, sure, but radical implies somebody a little more...violent. I don't want to get into a big debate about Obama, though. Those never seem to go very well, in my experiance.
@MasterGame12 Let's give it a try, I'm sure we can find some middle-ground to agree on. I meant radical in the sense of appearing disconnected from issues, or even blinded by ideology.
Consider Obama's unfortunate statement about wanting the Islamic Republic of Iran to rejoin the family of nations. What's wrong with this warm and fuzzy approach? It ignores the fact that Iran can't join the family due to it being an Islamic Republic. Worst of all, Iran heavily supports Jihad and Terrorism.
@MasterGame12 The most radical men of the Left aren't always the loudest ones. The Fabians have probably done more to undermine the established culture of the West with their long march through the institutions (particularly in Europe) than the Soviets ever did.
socrates was given the sentence and plato was condemned for coming against the perverse way elites ruled the democracies some people need to read plato the republic to understand what he is sayn
With all due respect, if you really did the trials of Socrates, you would understand that the point was to through the statement of his death, bring the people of Athens to castigate the Sophists for corrupting the youth, which he was charged with. As a de facto matter, the people of Athens gave Socrates numerous opportunities to escape this death penalty,including a pardon after the guilty verdict.I hereby accuse you of ignorance sir or madame,for I believe you ought to givePlato a second read.
The result of Socrates trial was a death sentence. The "pardon" doesn't change the fact that he was condemned for his teachings, which undermined the faith in Athenian democracy.
For Socrates, that pardon disgraced even further the justice system, being unmanly & pathetic. Maybe you're the one who should give Plato another read.
People quick on accusing others of ignorance should first reflect on their own. With all due respect, naturally.
@aschwartzburg I think,like Nietzsche, that Sócrates was the begining of decadence
of Western Culture. He was the first Herr Professor in History! The firts charge against him was that of pervertion of Youth. His crime was against the soul of a Race and a Culture.
Athens was not a democracy - suffrage was very limited - and using "freedom of speech" is anachronistic since it did not exist in Athens.
That you do not cite any primary texts - Apology, Crito, or even The Clouds - is ironic considering that you are defending Socrates and free, rational inquiry. Wouldn't a true inquiry consist of reading the actual primary sources?
Essentially you are just using Socrates' execution as a vessel for promoting your own strange synthesis. Plato's Cave?
@NXSchell Impiety and corrupting the youth (not necessarily exclusive) were the charges against Socrates. Poets (Homer et al.) reveal the gods to the public and give the public its values. Socrates attacks both through reason - a tacit reproach to piety and Athens. Socrates was indeed guilty. Notice that he never defends himself by asserting a right to free speech. Read Republic beginning at 2.379a., with Meletus and Aristophanes (both poets) in mind, and try to guess what Socrates was teaching.
The answer is education of the masses and direct democracy rather than the pseudo democracy we currently have. That a side, this is a fantastic video nearly fell for the music.
@CosmosLoyal well.....good luck convincing your hallowed, amoral rothschild family(est. worth 500 TRILLION) in educating your masses!. LOL(they make too many TRILLIONS off keeping you s2upid)... as for "democracy"...england may be a democracy I didnt recently check if it is or not and Im not going to I dont really care, fuck england but ...the USA is a REPUBLIC, it is not now and was NEVER a democracy.
@CosmosLoyal Socrates certainly believed in education but not democracy - he saw it as a mechanism for mob rule, which he was ultimately a victim of. I enjoyed the video also.
@noeyedeer2jk89sx No, a troll posts inflammitory remarks to get attention and make people upset because they think it is funny among other pointless endeavors, where as socrates asked people questions such as what is bravery, what is justice etc. They would, whith great pride claim to know these things and through a simple process on eliminating what they beklieve is the wrong answer many people would contradict there own theories, he did this so his fellow athenians could benefit from a more -
@noeyedeer2jk89sx philosphicla point of view so that they be closer to finding the truths in life. Socrates asked questions to help people, trolls ask questions to make people upset and gain attention. Socrates is a humanitarian not some coward living in a bubble.
Socrates got offered to escape from the prison before his dead by Kriton and other friends. But Socrates refused and say no to Kriton after a philosofy and philosia dialog between those two. In the court short before he got to prison before his dead, even friends offered gold to pay him out, but again Socrates refused to be helped.
i agree with socrates' sayings,but i must inform you that when he was executed,athens was ruled by an oligarchy-''the thirty tyramts''-a puppet goverment loyal to sparta.sparta placed that oligarchy after winning the atheneans in the ''peloponnisian war''(431-404 b.c.).there was no democracy in athens at that period of time.
@supertsiable sorry,i've made a mistake...in the time that socrates was put on trial,tyranny has been thrown away...it was a time of crisis and confusion for the athenean democracy...
Socrates was brilliant. Along with his student Plato, and eventually Plato's student Aristotle. These three are geniuses in their own right and should be studied more in school.
The reason Democracy is good isn't because it's efficient, or leads to the best decisions, or the most just. It's good because it keeps the people from going on murderous rampages every few years to overthrow leaders through violence. It is best because it keeps people content enough to let the government remain stable over long periods of time - voting new leaders provides a bloodless 'release valve' to mitigate the pressure that builds up. The people get just what they deserve to get.
@dtstrain I agree with you. Democracy is flawed and at times inefficient. However, there are checks and balances that makes sure (or at least tries to) that no one party is too powerful than the other and people can vote which party is better for them. This stabilizes the society in general and it won't turn into a total tyranny or anarchy.
@Nowasta It is exactly this state of mind of yours that frees me over of my frustration over your stupidity. Thank you. You just deserve what they've got for you.
@Zalzyn I asked for evidence about the New World Order; and your answer is that I'm stupid?
You like respect? Well kid, respect is earned and you have done nothing to earn that respect. Anything can be questioned, including your 'NWO', and if you can't back up your claim, maybe you should just STFU?
@Zalzyn Yet you still haven't pointed out any evidence to the existence of New World Order and how they have taken over the world. Question my manners? Stop right now with your ad hominem argument.
P.S Is a condescending attitude towards a question considered 'good manners'?
There is no system worse than democracy anywhere. No tyrrany is worse than the tyrrany of the majority. Look at communist china, yeah there is terrible tyrrany there, though the majority as long as they're not caught by the minority speak their minds in private. Though in democracy, you have no refuge, no underground railroad to liberty, but tyrrany in its purest worst form.
Besides, democracy itselfs survives on the assumption of certain "truths". If you alter those truths, Democracy itself tumbles, so some killing its due on democratic times. From where I see, there's nothing so good about democracy. Democracy no loger do...our societies are not made up by equals, so a new visio, a new system is required.
Following Nietzche on that, Socrates killed, before his dead the contious in-movement nature of our life, and locked us up on a cage of words, where words place the limits to our world. Socrates killed the pagan vision of the wordl, stopped the river from flowing and doomed us to a logicas system, that we already know is unefcient to reach higher truths. Socrates is th emain thinker of the Kali Yuga. So bring me more poisson....ti killl him well dead.
@DarkSunDaughter Socrates, at least the Socrates of Plato's dialogues, only practiced a more accurate representation of pagan philosophy that is analogous to traditional Indian theology, not opposed to it. I think your interpretation of Plato's philosophy is heavily based in a false dichotomy. Also, have you ever thought about the fact that an assertion of a lack of objectivity is an objective claim and thus is self-contradictory? I think that applies to your use of 'logic' to oppose logic.
By the way my comment did not fit my congradulations on this great video,I would have never imagined looking at your avatar what a wonderful well put together channel and info u have ;) Keeping the truth alive is are only hope.
Socrates My personal hero well "they" did not kill him He CHOOSE(for many friends offerd to help him be set free) but he choose not to run from society but to give society a lesson on reality of democracyto drink the conium and be silenced for he was not an ordinary man but the wisest of the wise his example to this day for those intrested shows the greatest flaw democracy hasFor if the majority is lead astray this is the future ,majority & minority shall live with,like it or not even if corrupt
I think there is also a question of whether Socrates was a real of fictional person. Further, Ancient Greek democracy was a much different beast then modern one. There was no universal suffrage among other things.
A little context here, Athens didn't suddenly decide to kill Socrates out of the blue because they didn't like his opinions. Athens had recently kicked out a pro-Spartan tyranny, with which Socrates' students had been prominent collaborators, and he was judged guilty by association. This is a typical of democracies in wartime. Britain let William Joyce rant his ass-off during peacetime, but after he broadcasted for the nazis, he was hanged despite not being a British citizen.
But, it was Socrates who first institutionalized "reason" as a virtue larger and more powerful than the aesthetic understanding of life. I am not saying that this was a bad thing, but I am saying that it was out of his own bitterness, due to his unattractive appearance, that he introduced the idea of the individual.
@birdlives10 I think Socrates' ontological principles were more so artistic in intent rather than antithetical. In 'The Republic', for instance, he emphasizes the importance of selective breeding within the upper castes with a foundation in the standard of beauty.
Oh dear God, not another Ayn Rand drone! Where do you people keep sprouting from? I swear that jewess has done almost as much damage to the West as Marx.
Please I don't subscribe to objectivism. I don't believe in the United States imposing its will upon other nations like Ayn Rand believed. Why do you think that some who believes in individual rights is an objectivist? I'm a libertarian which btw Rand hated libertarians.
Accusing people of being "collectivists" is very much a Randian thing, even if the person using the term doesn't himself know where his ideas originated.
Even the men who founded America were opposed to it; the U.S. was and was intended to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. But surely, men like Winston Churchill took us to war against Germany to save it? Churchill on democracy: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
socrates/plato were right about ancient democracy. it lead to demagoguery and then tyranny. this was remedied by representative, constitutional democracy with its separation of powers and mixed form of government: aristocracy, democracy and monarchy. an example of this would be the british system of the house of lords (aristocracy), parliament (democracy), and the executive (monarchy). the senate in the USA was supposed to represent an aristocracy, but America never had one.
@Skullstation And you speak as if you are somehow apart from this super giant, this beast which employs strawmen and fools to question it just so it can trounce those questions and continue its rule undettered?
Democracy is still better than monarchy or other more totalitarian systems of government, but only when the people are well educated. If the people are dumb, apathetic or uneducated enough they will revert to the kinds of sheeple who bow down in the presence of kings and dictators.
This phenomenon, which some argue is democracy's fatal flaw, is a part of the cancer that is killing American liberty.
What is called "educated" now is often closer to "brainwashed". Being told the same things from one side. And one side only. While demonizing the opposing view points and ignoring inconvenient facts.
What I meant by "educated" was being aware of the dangers of brainwashing. I agree that public education, to a degree promotes the state's agenda, but today's history classes still teach about examples of propaganda in history (e.g. WWI and WWII). Smart people often reject bullshit mainstream conventional wisdom and dismiss it as the same sort of propaganda. Such independent thinkers, when educated in even agenda-laden schools still learn how to do their own research and form their own opinions.
Public schools don't teach or at all reward critical thinking and questioning what is being taught or said. They reward the people who the most perfectly repeat what was being said to them. At the end of so many years of this only a few "smart" people can still question what is being said/taught by authority figures they have been conditioned to think are the highest form of "intellectuals". After all that only a few can look at the facts and realize that what they have been taught was wrong.
No, they don't teach "about" propaganda from WWI and WWII, they continue to *promote* propaganda from that period, such as that Hitler was a greater threat to the West than communism, that the German government murdered 6 million jews, that the Pearl Harbor attack was completely unprovoked, etc. Like the other poster said: brainwashing. And the brainwashing only gets worse in post-secondary education.
a realm of narcotic to some back then to see in todays light is the real narcotic what culture is lost as science lost the realm within should be conquered first. Too some a strange thought what is conquering a notion of god like conversion :For death I am:
Socrates could have escaped his death with the help of friends, but he died believing what he did. He used his freewill and abided by the law to drink the hemlock. He is forever remembered through Plato. Hail Socrates! Great vid *****.
Isn't it true, whether there is a democracy or ochlocracy there is ALWAYS oligarchy?
After all, mob rule or not, there is always a few who make the rules or 'suggest' them.
In the instance of ochlocracy, the few that lead would be different at times, but regardless, it is a few or even one. More than likely the one followed is the one whose ideas mesh or mirror with the majority of the crowd/mob.
I think the best way is a democracy but an intellectual society. Mabe we need to get rid of parties, just make everyone in the country a part of the government. Just vote on the issues of society. If you have 20 million in a nation, 18 - 100 allowed to vote on issues. They decide, if things are expected and not expected. But people mind's need be free, not shaped like they are today.
John Adams said, "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
What you're advocating sounds a lot like the direct democracy they have in some European countries (e.g. Switzerland), where a lot of issues are decided on by referendum and where every vote counts, since parties can get seats based solely on the number of votes they get. It's certainly an improvement over the current American system, or the system they have in Canada, but it still has all of the problems that have already been identified with democracy.
We don't really have Democracy anyway. The people are culturally dumbed down. The media is controlled by a few, the banks are controlled by a few, the politicians are controlled by a few. What we see and hear is the will of those who control the banking, media and government institutions. These people to believe that they are smarter then the majority of the mass's. In a sense if Plato denounced democracy, then the ruler's of the west have to denounced democracy. Its an illusion.
As nearly as I can tell, a real democracy is fundamentally unworkable; the inherent differences in intelligence in the population, coupled with the fact that the average human IQ just really isn't that high to begin with, means that democracy is rule by imbeciles at best, and a disguise for rule by the most sinister at worst (which is what we appear to have).
That! You spoke the damned bitter truth! People will never realize what you said... A great saying told once: "To make our society better, people first have to become better." Sadly i cant recall who said that, Socrates or Plato... Shame on me..
Of course, it doesn't help that our homelands are being flooded with foreigners with a much lower average intelligence than our own. I think it was Kevin MacDonald who pointed out that a prerequisite to a democratic form of government is a racially homogenous citizenry.
Excellent video. Looks like the Athenians viewed "democracy" as a religion of sorts. Once they branded Socrates as an enemy of democracy, and I'm sure the press assisted them in this endeavor, executing Socrates was done easily without too much public protest. 5 Stars, and a favorite.
You always find such excellent music. I would have mentioned how the powers that be felt guilty and afriad to actually execute Socrates, and how to sate their own consciences pretty much told him they'd let him escape and that he wouldn't be pursued.
Socrates, however, valued principles above preservation, stayed put, and drank the goblet of poison handed to him willingly.
millennia have passed and we find ourselves in worse shape #NWO
diogeneslaertius666 1 week ago
Keep in mind we only have Socrates' friends accounts of what Socrates did.
MrXephyr 2 months ago
Is it my,or does the phrase "With all due respect",or any other such term like that,get rid of all supposed malicious behavior,and is thus used in a way that people can get away with insults,even when thrown right into their face
SocraPlaTotle 3 months ago
@SocraPlaTotle What is the name of the song?
CadaverRapist 2 months ago
Great videos. And I like your website's name. ;)
Quex01 4 months ago
Socrates, Plato and Aristotle hated democracy
mappingtheshit 5 months ago
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topdome 5 months ago
Socrates was right. Masses are by definition of the IQ distribution (The Bell Curve) not very intelligent and can't be good leaders of a whole nation, that's laughable at best.
WakeUpSleepIsDeath 6 months ago
My Thumb is still Up. The videos point is:
1. Injustice (done by idiots in authority ex. We The People)
2. Religion (Don't mess with my God('s))
3. Stressed out people (their lives REALLY sucked back than ex. NO Running Water)
4. Columns like this (it's stupid to always live like a lawyer for ultamate truth)
noledgewise1 6 months ago
hmm, what are these books you speak of? Small rectangular objects called "books".
101101101777 6 months ago
τι ειδους συγκριση ειναι αυτη??πρωτα δειχνει τον σωκρατη και μετα τους αμερικανους και τον ομπαμα ελεος
xristodoiiaspis 7 months ago
The difference between Socrates and Jesus Crist? The great conscious; the immeasuraby great unconscious.
RetroFishman 7 months ago
isnt that plato?
vanilkachill 8 months ago
You fail to mention that Athens was in a state of decline, and the environment had become one of intolerance that, in the previous decades, would have been uncharacteristic of that era.
wuezili 9 months ago
People who ask leading questions that they already know the answer to in order to put someone on the spot and play the "Ha-Ha I Got Your Ass" game are being disingenuous, dishonest, and fucking annoying.
THAT'S why the Athenians killed that asshole Socrates.
TheJomogogo 10 months ago
cool video. what is the name of the song playing?
cmonutube 11 months ago
Great video. However, I think you overestimate the value of free speech to the Athenian democracy. In modernity- we believe that free speech is natural right- which for us great Kalos Kagathos of the 21st century- means protecting porn and obscenity. Athenian democracy had no such belief in a natural right to free speech- they simply believed in self-governance. Nonetheless, I believe your thesis holds about the natural conflict here between democracy and the good life. keep up the good work!
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
Is Ron Paul your messiah? If so, you quiet frankly know nothing about Socrates. Next time don't delete comments.
Fadsmashers 1 year ago
@Fadsmashers NXSchell actually has a video concerning Dr. Paul, if you really wanted to gain an inkling of his views on the man.
JBMontgomery87 11 months ago
i would say any system can be used for bad or good accept for facism, rligious fundementalists, right to rule, monarchy and so on because they are inherintly bad. if we had a system where the elected person really did represent us and not a few interests it would be a much higher system!
timetochilli 1 year ago
@rootretard Yeah, they weren't allowed to vote. So in a sense it was a Democracy to those who were allowed to participate. For modern examples of dishonest forms of government, see Iran. Yes, women are free to vote, and have those votes stolen and ignored by those in power. Reading about these problems makes me so glad to live in the United States of America, a country that strives at any rate toward an honest Democracy and the Rule of Law.
I lol'ed when I read Aristotle on slavery.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
stop shitin on urselfs the man just had logic woopidy doo doo shoo poopoo u all like a ballsacs
SadCarnage1224 1 year ago
@NXSchell
I agree with your critics here. You have completely neglected several things:
1. How do you justify leaving the charges of impious behavior without mention? Greek religion played a more constant and pervasive role in ancient Athens than did democracy.
2. Much of what you attempt to attribute to Socrates was not Socrates at all. Socrates never had well-developed political beliefs. Plato did.
3. Socrates spent his time making powerful people look foolish. Motive? duh.
ittynapalm 1 year ago
@ittynapalm
1. Yes, religion was important. Hence the accusation of impiety to make Socrates look bad .
2. Much of what we know of Socrates comes from his disciples Plato & Xenophon.
3. Too simplistic of an assessment, IMO.
Of course, there is room for disagreement. And that's not a bad thing.
But I've posted enough on this subject. Have a look at the books mentioned. at the end of the video. This suggestion is also valid for the other critics.
NXSchell 1 year ago 10
@NXSchell Whats the matter? Only willing to debate the feeble? Lets put your understanding of Socrates to the test.
Fadsmashers 1 year ago
@NXSchell Right again sir. keep posting video's plz
LoserBoyOhio 10 months ago
actually... i.f stone clears this issue up.
as good a philosopher & apologist as plato was, he did leave some key hints as to the real reason of socrates execution & death... it's not quite as noble as the image you are all defending. however, that does not mean that the thing plato described never happens.
Peace.
& what mastergame said is right too, he made very few friends with his gift.
the thing is "a man convinced, against his will, is of the same opinion, still"
Samuelthemule 1 year ago
what is the title of this music????!!! very beautiful and powerful
combatleague 1 year ago
If not democracy, then what?
WSWarthog 1 year ago
P.S. I haven't actually read Plato's dialogues in a while, so I may have been inaccurate in my previous comments. If I was, then I apologise.
MasterGame12 1 year ago
Furthermore, your depiction of how Socrates was universally despised and branded as a heretic is somewhat unrealistic as well. When the matter of his execution was put to trial, he only lost the vote by a relatively small amount (according to Plato's account in Apology, anyway). Plus, he was not "being silenced for questioning Democracy", he had simply offended many self-proclaimed "experts" by outwitting them and exposing them as idiots.
MasterGame12 1 year ago
If I remember correctly, Socrates was a critic of Direct Democracy (the form of Democracy employed by Athens), in which power was given to the masses. I don't recall him being a critic of Representative Democracy, in which the masses elect a representative, so the fact that your using the story of Socrates' execution as a way to voice your opinion against Obama seems somewhat unfounded. In fact, I'm quite sure that Aristotle (the student of Plato) was in favor of Representative Democracy.
MasterGame12 1 year ago
@MasterGame12 Relax, he showed Republicans too if you watched close enough.
See what you like I guess.
But your comment proves what I've been saying for years. Obama supporters will imagine attacks. They jump the gun, misrepresent, and claim victim status as their SOP. I think wisdom teaches us to keep the finger off the trigger if we're that high strung. The video shows both sides, but you STILL cry foul for Obama.
Liberal victim pathology and partisanship is getting very boring indeed.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist
1. I'm actually not a liberal. Please don't assume that I am just because I defended Obama.
2. You're right, actually, I did misinterpret this as a veiled attack on Obama, and I apologise. However, disregarding Obama, the maker of this video does just seem to be using the execution of Socrates as a way to critisise things that are more or less unrelated to it, which just annoys me a bit.
MasterGame12 1 year ago
@MasterGame12 If you defend a radical liberal, you may be judged by the company you choose to keep. This seems intuitive to me.
That aside, I can't believe you admitted your misinterpretation - much respect for doing so.
It's true that people attach their own meaning to events. Take the instance of America's founding: ethically challenged teachers summarize it as brutal genocide and scandalous land theft while failing to mention much else of note.
The practice can be annoying, I agree.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist I couldn't agree more. It isn't just historic events, either. I actually know a number of people who like to put their own personal opinion of things into the mouths of historic figures as well. "That's what the founding fathers would have wanted" is quickly becoming my least favorite phrase. Not that I don't care about the beliefs and opinions of the founding fathers (far from it), but I'm getting sick of people using them as a cheap debate tactic.
MasterGame12 1 year ago
@TheAmericanApologist P.S. I personally wouldn't call Obama a "radical" liberal. Liberal, sure, but radical implies somebody a little more...violent. I don't want to get into a big debate about Obama, though. Those never seem to go very well, in my experiance.
MasterGame12 1 year ago
@MasterGame12 Let's give it a try, I'm sure we can find some middle-ground to agree on. I meant radical in the sense of appearing disconnected from issues, or even blinded by ideology.
Consider Obama's unfortunate statement about wanting the Islamic Republic of Iran to rejoin the family of nations. What's wrong with this warm and fuzzy approach? It ignores the fact that Iran can't join the family due to it being an Islamic Republic. Worst of all, Iran heavily supports Jihad and Terrorism.
TheAmericanApologist 1 year ago
@MasterGame12 The most radical men of the Left aren't always the loudest ones. The Fabians have probably done more to undermine the established culture of the West with their long march through the institutions (particularly in Europe) than the Soviets ever did.
JBMontgomery87 11 months ago
socrates was given the sentence and plato was condemned for coming against the perverse way elites ruled the democracies some people need to read plato the republic to understand what he is sayn
timetochilli 1 year ago
Women shouldn't vote......... nor should men. Don't Vote: There is no hope.
elbowbiter1 1 year ago
@elbowbiter1 "If voting could change anything, it would be illegal."
best1089 1 year ago 2
Hey thank you for this video! What music piece is this??
MrWes0403 1 year ago
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aschwartzburg 1 year ago
With all due respect, if you really did the trials of Socrates, you would understand that the point was to through the statement of his death, bring the people of Athens to castigate the Sophists for corrupting the youth, which he was charged with. As a de facto matter, the people of Athens gave Socrates numerous opportunities to escape this death penalty,including a pardon after the guilty verdict.I hereby accuse you of ignorance sir or madame,for I believe you ought to givePlato a second read.
aschwartzburg 1 year ago
@aschwartzburg
The result of Socrates trial was a death sentence. The "pardon" doesn't change the fact that he was condemned for his teachings, which undermined the faith in Athenian democracy.
For Socrates, that pardon disgraced even further the justice system, being unmanly & pathetic. Maybe you're the one who should give Plato another read.
People quick on accusing others of ignorance should first reflect on their own. With all due respect, naturally.
NXSchell 1 year ago 22
@aschwartzburg I think,like Nietzsche, that Sócrates was the begining of decadence
of Western Culture. He was the first Herr Professor in History! The firts charge against him was that of pervertion of Youth. His crime was against the soul of a Race and a Culture.
Roothkalki 1 year ago
Athens was not a democracy - suffrage was very limited - and using "freedom of speech" is anachronistic since it did not exist in Athens.
That you do not cite any primary texts - Apology, Crito, or even The Clouds - is ironic considering that you are defending Socrates and free, rational inquiry. Wouldn't a true inquiry consist of reading the actual primary sources?
Essentially you are just using Socrates' execution as a vessel for promoting your own strange synthesis. Plato's Cave?
illmaticDH 1 year ago
@illmaticDH
Athens was a democracy, although an imperfect one. And freedom of speech was part of being a male citizen, which Socrates was.
And there is nothing "strange" about the thesis described here, provided you have actually read most of those "primary texts" you mentioned.
NXSchell 1 year ago 16
@NXSchell Impiety and corrupting the youth (not necessarily exclusive) were the charges against Socrates. Poets (Homer et al.) reveal the gods to the public and give the public its values. Socrates attacks both through reason - a tacit reproach to piety and Athens. Socrates was indeed guilty. Notice that he never defends himself by asserting a right to free speech. Read Republic beginning at 2.379a., with Meletus and Aristophanes (both poets) in mind, and try to guess what Socrates was teaching.
illmaticDH 1 year ago
The answer is education of the masses and direct democracy rather than the pseudo democracy we currently have. That a side, this is a fantastic video nearly fell for the music.
CosmosLoyal 1 year ago
@CosmosLoyal well.....good luck convincing your hallowed, amoral rothschild family(est. worth 500 TRILLION) in educating your masses!. LOL(they make too many TRILLIONS off keeping you s2upid)... as for "democracy"...england may be a democracy I didnt recently check if it is or not and Im not going to I dont really care, fuck england but ...the USA is a REPUBLIC, it is not now and was NEVER a democracy.
MrHarry46 1 year ago
@CosmosLoyal Socrates certainly believed in education but not democracy - he saw it as a mechanism for mob rule, which he was ultimately a victim of. I enjoyed the video also.
m1trekker 1 year ago
This song is marvellous, please tell me the name of this song.
milkau828 1 year ago
well duh. socrates believed in a dictatorship.
eliwoood1 1 year ago
Or perhaps it was because he had helped the bloody aristocrats tyrants who had murdered hundreds of innocent Athenian democrats?
Since we do not know the prosecution's case against Socrates, it is better not to draw absurd and rhetorical conclusions
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago
Man, you make awesome videos!!! 5*
Nikopolis1912 1 year ago
Little do most know, Socrates was the greatest Troll on Earth, he walked around pissing people off all day long.
noeyedeer2jk89sx 1 year ago
@noeyedeer2jk89sx No, a troll posts inflammitory remarks to get attention and make people upset because they think it is funny among other pointless endeavors, where as socrates asked people questions such as what is bravery, what is justice etc. They would, whith great pride claim to know these things and through a simple process on eliminating what they beklieve is the wrong answer many people would contradict there own theories, he did this so his fellow athenians could benefit from a more -
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@noeyedeer2jk89sx philosphicla point of view so that they be closer to finding the truths in life. Socrates asked questions to help people, trolls ask questions to make people upset and gain attention. Socrates is a humanitarian not some coward living in a bubble.
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
ughhhh
proffromgview 1 year ago
Socrates got offered to escape from the prison before his dead by Kriton and other friends. But Socrates refused and say no to Kriton after a philosofy and philosia dialog between those two. In the court short before he got to prison before his dead, even friends offered gold to pay him out, but again Socrates refused to be helped.
Dualspec 1 year ago
great video. does anyone know the name of music used in this video?
megarocko94 1 year ago
i agree with socrates' sayings,but i must inform you that when he was executed,athens was ruled by an oligarchy-''the thirty tyramts''-a puppet goverment loyal to sparta.sparta placed that oligarchy after winning the atheneans in the ''peloponnisian war''(431-404 b.c.).there was no democracy in athens at that period of time.
supertsiable 1 year ago
@supertsiable sorry,i've made a mistake...in the time that socrates was put on trial,tyranny has been thrown away...it was a time of crisis and confusion for the athenean democracy...
supertsiable 1 year ago
Behind the most spectacular democracies, there lie the worst and most brutal dictatorships!
POOLOFGLITTERROULA 1 year ago 5
Great video
player1vladimir 1 year ago
FROM WHERE IS THE MUSIC"?
tineatipota 1 year ago
Superficiality can be used for good.
shockadelicaustralia 1 year ago
Socrates was brilliant. Along with his student Plato, and eventually Plato's student Aristotle. These three are geniuses in their own right and should be studied more in school.
JASM4collection 1 year ago
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UntamedFalcon 1 year ago
The reason Democracy is good isn't because it's efficient, or leads to the best decisions, or the most just. It's good because it keeps the people from going on murderous rampages every few years to overthrow leaders through violence. It is best because it keeps people content enough to let the government remain stable over long periods of time - voting new leaders provides a bloodless 'release valve' to mitigate the pressure that builds up. The people get just what they deserve to get.
dtstrain 1 year ago
@dtstrain I agree with you. Democracy is flawed and at times inefficient. However, there are checks and balances that makes sure (or at least tries to) that no one party is too powerful than the other and people can vote which party is better for them. This stabilizes the society in general and it won't turn into a total tyranny or anarchy.
Nowasta 1 year ago
@Nowasta Does New World Order ring a bell?
Zalzyn 1 year ago
@Zalzyn Can you give any empirical evidence to prove their existence? Or are you gonna go with he said she said bullshit?
Nowasta 1 year ago
@Nowasta It is exactly this state of mind of yours that frees me over of my frustration over your stupidity. Thank you. You just deserve what they've got for you.
I like respect, you know.
Enjoy your life.
Zalzyn 1 year ago
@Zalzyn I asked for evidence about the New World Order; and your answer is that I'm stupid?
You like respect? Well kid, respect is earned and you have done nothing to earn that respect. Anything can be questioned, including your 'NWO', and if you can't back up your claim, maybe you should just STFU?
Nowasta 1 year ago
@Nowasta
If you meet someone in real life, out on the streets, you ask him/her how he/she is doing and they say fine, do you say: "Bullshit"?
I question your manners.
Zalzyn 1 year ago
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@Zalzyn Yet you still haven't pointed out any evidence to the existence of New World Order and how they have taken over the world. Question my manners? Stop right now with your ad hominem argument.
P.S Is a condescending attitude towards a question considered 'good manners'?
Nowasta 1 year ago
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Psychosmurf547 1 year ago
synthetic, very well
appleadvert 1 year ago
There is no system worse than democracy anywhere. No tyrrany is worse than the tyrrany of the majority. Look at communist china, yeah there is terrible tyrrany there, though the majority as long as they're not caught by the minority speak their minds in private. Though in democracy, you have no refuge, no underground railroad to liberty, but tyrrany in its purest worst form.
spartacandream 1 year ago
Please may I ask, what is the music from? It's very fitting...
VideyoJunkei 1 year ago
Socrates was killed for the sake of democracy. We love democracy so much.... lets do some killing.
DarkSunDaughter 1 year ago
Besides, democracy itselfs survives on the assumption of certain "truths". If you alter those truths, Democracy itself tumbles, so some killing its due on democratic times. From where I see, there's nothing so good about democracy. Democracy no loger do...our societies are not made up by equals, so a new visio, a new system is required.
DarkSunDaughter 1 year ago
Following Nietzche on that, Socrates killed, before his dead the contious in-movement nature of our life, and locked us up on a cage of words, where words place the limits to our world. Socrates killed the pagan vision of the wordl, stopped the river from flowing and doomed us to a logicas system, that we already know is unefcient to reach higher truths. Socrates is th emain thinker of the Kali Yuga. So bring me more poisson....ti killl him well dead.
DarkSunDaughter 1 year ago
@DarkSunDaughter Socrates, at least the Socrates of Plato's dialogues, only practiced a more accurate representation of pagan philosophy that is analogous to traditional Indian theology, not opposed to it. I think your interpretation of Plato's philosophy is heavily based in a false dichotomy. Also, have you ever thought about the fact that an assertion of a lack of objectivity is an objective claim and thus is self-contradictory? I think that applies to your use of 'logic' to oppose logic.
neuraxianfusion 9 months ago
I didn't know this. It seems history is repeating itself at levels barely imaginable...
OutOfTheBoxThinker 1 year ago
so if democracy is soooo bad ! what is the solution "my lord"? :r
Aterkomsten 1 year ago
@Aterkomsten Anarchy.
Psychosmurf547 1 year ago
He knew the danger posed by millions of fools electing another moron
BTW wasnt socrates the one who laid the foundation for communism ?
rogvr781 1 year ago
By the way my comment did not fit my congradulations on this great video,I would have never imagined looking at your avatar what a wonderful well put together channel and info u have ;) Keeping the truth alive is are only hope.
Nanaeon05 1 year ago
Socrates My personal hero well "they" did not kill him He CHOOSE(for many friends offerd to help him be set free) but he choose not to run from society but to give society a lesson on reality of democracyto drink the conium and be silenced for he was not an ordinary man but the wisest of the wise his example to this day for those intrested shows the greatest flaw democracy hasFor if the majority is lead astray this is the future ,majority & minority shall live with,like it or not even if corrupt
Nanaeon05 1 year ago
true democracy calls for constant rebellion, democracy is never a submission to anything
Sturmmann 2 years ago
I'm curious how many people actually get the picture at 1:58-2:03 !!!
That was brilliant !
olteancr 2 years ago 2
@olteancr I did!
UcanbeGOD 2 years ago
@olteancr HAHHAAHA! Wow, thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice it at first!
Psychosmurf547 1 year ago
I think there is also a question of whether Socrates was a real of fictional person. Further, Ancient Greek democracy was a much different beast then modern one. There was no universal suffrage among other things.
verstwo2 2 years ago
A little context here, Athens didn't suddenly decide to kill Socrates out of the blue because they didn't like his opinions. Athens had recently kicked out a pro-Spartan tyranny, with which Socrates' students had been prominent collaborators, and he was judged guilty by association. This is a typical of democracies in wartime. Britain let William Joyce rant his ass-off during peacetime, but after he broadcasted for the nazis, he was hanged despite not being a British citizen.
DerBlitzStag 2 years ago
But, it was Socrates who first institutionalized "reason" as a virtue larger and more powerful than the aesthetic understanding of life. I am not saying that this was a bad thing, but I am saying that it was out of his own bitterness, due to his unattractive appearance, that he introduced the idea of the individual.
birdlives10 2 years ago
i love socrates
if i am going to be in that court ,i am going to spit on judges
Magarmach09 1 year ago
@birdlives10 I think Socrates' ontological principles were more so artistic in intent rather than antithetical. In 'The Republic', for instance, he emphasizes the importance of selective breeding within the upper castes with a foundation in the standard of beauty.
neuraxianfusion 9 months ago
I get the impression that most of you who look down on "the masses" are just conceited and arrogant.
R0undAboutMidnight 2 years ago
The most democratic state on the planet to date: the Soviet Union. Think about that.
wolzek 2 years ago
Not only Socrates.
The all wise men of History were opposed to democracy.
For example:Plato,Pythagoras,T.S.Eliot,F.Nietzsche,Ezra Pound,etc...
saveEurope7 2 years ago 3
Plato was a fucking collectivist.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago
Oh dear God, not another Ayn Rand drone! Where do you people keep sprouting from? I swear that jewess has done almost as much damage to the West as Marx.
wolzek 2 years ago
Please I don't subscribe to objectivism. I don't believe in the United States imposing its will upon other nations like Ayn Rand believed. Why do you think that some who believes in individual rights is an objectivist? I'm a libertarian which btw Rand hated libertarians.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago 3
Accusing people of being "collectivists" is very much a Randian thing, even if the person using the term doesn't himself know where his ideas originated.
wolzek 2 years ago
It goes back to Aristotle not that hack Ayn Rand.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago 6
@xxdiogenescynicxx Down with the collective regime comrade! The revolution must come! Fat WOW addicts MUST be liberated!
neuraxianfusion 9 months ago
Even the men who founded America were opposed to it; the U.S. was and was intended to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. But surely, men like Winston Churchill took us to war against Germany to save it? Churchill on democracy: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
wolzek 2 years ago 3
socrates/plato were right about ancient democracy. it lead to demagoguery and then tyranny. this was remedied by representative, constitutional democracy with its separation of powers and mixed form of government: aristocracy, democracy and monarchy. an example of this would be the british system of the house of lords (aristocracy), parliament (democracy), and the executive (monarchy). the senate in the USA was supposed to represent an aristocracy, but America never had one.
BooRadley007 2 years ago
or at least, the senate came to represent states instead.
BooRadley007 2 years ago
Exactly and so now we have degenerated into a pure demagoguery. The masses
get what they want..until the consequences of their ignorance comes home. Which is exactly the phase of history we are now in with Obama.
ehunter2 2 years ago
the G speaks the truth
omgitsNePlusExtra 2 years ago
did they underestimate power of the world zionism ?
napajedlacek 2 years ago
Fuck education, moar liek thinkamacation .
Lamnont 2 years ago
"That there were no wisdom in the masses."
Amen.
Skullstation 2 years ago 38
@Skullstation 17 thumbs for an obscure quote. Yep, there truly is no wisdom in the masses.
Nowasta 1 year ago
@Skullstation And you speak as if you are somehow apart from this super giant, this beast which employs strawmen and fools to question it just so it can trounce those questions and continue its rule undettered?
Chefodeath 1 year ago
Democracy is still better than monarchy or other more totalitarian systems of government, but only when the people are well educated. If the people are dumb, apathetic or uneducated enough they will revert to the kinds of sheeple who bow down in the presence of kings and dictators.
This phenomenon, which some argue is democracy's fatal flaw, is a part of the cancer that is killing American liberty.
sillygramcracker 2 years ago
What is called "educated" now is often closer to "brainwashed". Being told the same things from one side. And one side only. While demonizing the opposing view points and ignoring inconvenient facts.
Finn001abd 2 years ago 5
What I meant by "educated" was being aware of the dangers of brainwashing. I agree that public education, to a degree promotes the state's agenda, but today's history classes still teach about examples of propaganda in history (e.g. WWI and WWII). Smart people often reject bullshit mainstream conventional wisdom and dismiss it as the same sort of propaganda. Such independent thinkers, when educated in even agenda-laden schools still learn how to do their own research and form their own opinions.
sillygramcracker 2 years ago
Public schools don't teach or at all reward critical thinking and questioning what is being taught or said. They reward the people who the most perfectly repeat what was being said to them. At the end of so many years of this only a few "smart" people can still question what is being said/taught by authority figures they have been conditioned to think are the highest form of "intellectuals". After all that only a few can look at the facts and realize that what they have been taught was wrong.
Finn001abd 2 years ago 5
No, they don't teach "about" propaganda from WWI and WWII, they continue to *promote* propaganda from that period, such as that Hitler was a greater threat to the West than communism, that the German government murdered 6 million jews, that the Pearl Harbor attack was completely unprovoked, etc. Like the other poster said: brainwashing. And the brainwashing only gets worse in post-secondary education.
wolzek 2 years ago 3
your arse it is.
bastardtubeuser 2 years ago
Excellent video, NXSchell. And some reading to catch up on as well. :)
TheKelts 2 years ago
And by the way, a good choice in music - Arditi, "Blood, all Blood" from Standards of Triumph.
EmperorOfTheAliens 2 years ago
Excellent and rightly put!
EmperorOfTheAliens 2 years ago
MC Cain is so much better indeed. -_-'
Obama knows how to lead his nation and is doing it well. Bush fitted a lot better there...
skingleeke 2 years ago
It's funny, because i tought about these things, even before i knew socrates did think too.
gombie 2 years ago
Obama is nothing more than succesful PR. He's not a fucking christ and he shouldn't get that ''messiah status and treatment''. He won't change shit.
gombie 2 years ago 2
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great fucking video!
drkthms1 2 years ago
Yet another example of why democracy is a bad idea.
steve0281 2 years ago
still moving the realms of lostings
getting down in the loom for thought
democracy = lost + black lightning energy
a realm of narcotic to some back then to see in todays light is the real narcotic what culture is lost as science lost the realm within should be conquered first. Too some a strange thought what is conquering a notion of god like conversion :For death I am:
in2dionysus 2 years ago
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bannedfromutopia 2 years ago
Socrates could have escaped his death with the help of friends, but he died believing what he did. He used his freewill and abided by the law to drink the hemlock. He is forever remembered through Plato. Hail Socrates! Great vid *****.
Arachnidia 2 years ago 5
Another brialliant NXSchell video. And so few views, again. But that's to be expected of the masses.
novice8814 2 years ago 2
Interesting video....
SaraCHA88 2 years ago 3
How truthful this is of today's society
SturmFMJ 2 years ago 3
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truly a masterpiece... nxschell knows how to make them..
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TorqueMinerva 2 years ago
Does anyone know the title of the music in the background for this video?
allegrobas 2 years ago
Arditi - Blood, All blood
DerVolksSturmer 2 years ago
Yes, and what we call Free Speech, they call Hate Speech and is therefore unlawful according to them.
But, Free Speech is justified against an enemy nation or race who subverts our country from within while pretending to be one of us.
Those aware know that these are mainly the Jews.
Theycallmekaiser 2 years ago
Que bono? Who was the "hidden hand"?
Certainly "the people" didn't sit down and rationally study and discuss all the dynamic social aspects, and decide that this man was a threat.
So, que bono?
nameofthepen 2 years ago 3
The only difference between democracy and socialism is alcoholism. haha
SlayerofEmokids 2 years ago
Isn't there a difference between democracy and ochlocracy?
RevConVids 2 years ago
Isn't it true, whether there is a democracy or ochlocracy there is ALWAYS oligarchy?
After all, mob rule or not, there is always a few who make the rules or 'suggest' them.
In the instance of ochlocracy, the few that lead would be different at times, but regardless, it is a few or even one. More than likely the one followed is the one whose ideas mesh or mirror with the majority of the crowd/mob.
jefeisdguard 2 years ago
I think the best way is a democracy but an intellectual society. Mabe we need to get rid of parties, just make everyone in the country a part of the government. Just vote on the issues of society. If you have 20 million in a nation, 18 - 100 allowed to vote on issues. They decide, if things are expected and not expected. But people mind's need be free, not shaped like they are today.
truthisthemostdeadly 2 years ago
John Adams said, "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago 6
What you're advocating sounds a lot like the direct democracy they have in some European countries (e.g. Switzerland), where a lot of issues are decided on by referendum and where every vote counts, since parties can get seats based solely on the number of votes they get. It's certainly an improvement over the current American system, or the system they have in Canada, but it still has all of the problems that have already been identified with democracy.
wolzek 2 years ago
Plutocracy is simply what the west is all about. I believe what Socrates wanted was philosophers ruling society.
truthisthemostdeadly 2 years ago
We don't really have Democracy anyway. The people are culturally dumbed down. The media is controlled by a few, the banks are controlled by a few, the politicians are controlled by a few. What we see and hear is the will of those who control the banking, media and government institutions. These people to believe that they are smarter then the majority of the mass's. In a sense if Plato denounced democracy, then the ruler's of the west have to denounced democracy. Its an illusion.
truthisthemostdeadly 2 years ago 3
As nearly as I can tell, a real democracy is fundamentally unworkable; the inherent differences in intelligence in the population, coupled with the fact that the average human IQ just really isn't that high to begin with, means that democracy is rule by imbeciles at best, and a disguise for rule by the most sinister at worst (which is what we appear to have).
sixbillionmorons 2 years ago 3
That! You spoke the damned bitter truth! People will never realize what you said... A great saying told once: "To make our society better, people first have to become better." Sadly i cant recall who said that, Socrates or Plato... Shame on me..
otinane89 2 years ago
Of course, it doesn't help that our homelands are being flooded with foreigners with a much lower average intelligence than our own. I think it was Kevin MacDonald who pointed out that a prerequisite to a democratic form of government is a racially homogenous citizenry.
wolzek 2 years ago
Excellent video. Looks like the Athenians viewed "democracy" as a religion of sorts. Once they branded Socrates as an enemy of democracy, and I'm sure the press assisted them in this endeavor, executing Socrates was done easily without too much public protest. 5 Stars, and a favorite.
joe80dman 2 years ago
This is a good video, but may I remind everyone we are a democratic REPUBLIC.
...or at least, we were, before we became a fascist dictatorship. ;-(
3monkeysmomma 2 years ago
Nope we were meant to be a constitutional republic, our founders despised democracy.
xxmonickkkkaxx 2 years ago 7
We have a CONSTITUTION?!!!
Holy Crap! Somebody dust it off quick!
3monkeysmomma 2 years ago 3
My native languange is greek, and democratic republic is like saying democratic democracy... Kind of messed up? I think so...
otinane89 2 years ago
You always find such excellent music. I would have mentioned how the powers that be felt guilty and afriad to actually execute Socrates, and how to sate their own consciences pretty much told him they'd let him escape and that he wouldn't be pursued.
Socrates, however, valued principles above preservation, stayed put, and drank the goblet of poison handed to him willingly.
RevConVids 2 years ago
epic!
z0rmulaut 2 years ago
I love this channel!
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