Second, the final motion of any good skater's stride is extension of the toe/foot to use the final piece of blade to get the most acceleration/speed for your push. It's simply getting the most for your energy expenditure. Thats why a calf raise, regardless of weight, is important in this type of training. At the very least it can help create muscle memory and tire the athlete out a bit more during the workout. I don't understand where you're coming from minit55
First off...so if no benefit arises when no weight is used, then please explain why plyometric exercises, a cornerstone of hockey training, are used by almost every team/athlete playing right now please minit55?
First off...so if theres no weight used then why do plymetric exercises that clearly are invaluable for a sport like hockey? Second, the final motion of any good skaters stride is extension of the toe/foot to use the final piece of blade to get the most acceleration/speed for your push. Thats why a calf raise, regardless of weight, is important in this type of training. You are going against the entire athletic training world with your statement minit55.
First off...so if theres no weight used then why do plymetric exercises that clearly are invaluable for a sport like hockey? Second, the final motion of any good skaters stride is extension of the toe/foot to use the final piece of blade to get the most acceleration/speed for your push. Thats why a calf raise, regardless of weight, is important in this type of training. You are going against the entire athletic training world with your statement minit55.
But you need to read my post again... i state that you get NOTHING other than movement in the ankel joint out of this "calf raise" SINCE THE WEIGHT is way to low to be a real calf raise.. Look at your body weight compared to the upright row weight and tell me that you get a calf exercise from walking normally.. Nah dude you need alot more weight to get a "proper" calf raise exercise ! All i say is that your better off doing a NORMAL upright row..
@minit55 I agree minit55 that to build a strong calf/ankle joint you would need to do plyometrics,jumprope,or resistance exercises to build the calf properly. The calf raise is added because of what the danawhite guy says below, i add it to the exercise because its there to do. Go to a local gym and watch the athletes skip their calves altogether! Its a shame cause like you said,calves are very important!! Great points and keep them coming,the more we know the better,thanks alot man
@RevolutionAthlete to convince me you have to give me a physiological or what ever else scientific reason that si support be a peer reviwed source like cochrane or pubmed. You´r argument is that the row is better cos you add something.its not.. and your argument will would be true for blinking your eyes also.. that wouldn´t make the exercise better.. and what others do in a gym is not a argument either. calf raise and upright row requires very different weights. adding with no effect = NO EFFECT
@minit55 If you do an upright row with 10lbs for 50 reps or 100lbs for 5 reps and add the calf raise than your saying i wont get any benefit at all? Not to mention being on your toes for a split second may and could help someone with increasing their balance and a little core stability. Every athlete is unique and subject to a training regimen that works for them. There may be a boy or girl out there that needs this exercise and another that needs to separate the row and calf raise.
@RevolutionAthlete well this leads me to my first post. What are you trying to say we are working at ? is this a all round exercise or icehockey defensemen exercise ? i can post whatever exercise and say you will have benefit of doing it.. But thats not the same as saying this is a specific exercise for X. and does defense men really need balance with extenden knees and up on their toes ? as i said this is non specific traning and not to be taken as is! and not as a DEFENSE MEN specific exersice
@minit55 Then we should eliminate any kind of cable exercises bench press,shoulder presses,deep full squats,pull-ups,cleans,high pulls...etc since they are not "specific" to the exact same movements as a D. D men use their delts and upper-back/trap muscles alot,also holding the weight this way will help improve grip strength. They are constantly transferring energy from the heel to the ball of there foot. Also depends on the radius of the skate,height and weight.
@minit55 There is no "all powerful exercise or program" on the planet for a D man, some pro players we have only to core and balance work because that's what they need.The rest of the comments within the videos we have are people thanking us for the very simple, yet effective exercises we have. If you want to add your own videos about the benefits of an upright row and calf raise i think that would be a great idea.
@RevolutionAthlete well i just state what i know from my education as a physio therapist.. im just saying that i would not recommend doing calf raises with low weight and i would not suggest that a hockey player should do stability and balance training up on the toes because they are never up on their toes. That was all i stated from that start and i also stated that this was not hockey excersice but all round excersices.. and no i will continue to train and teach to my learning ;) Have fun Dude
Wtf.. why would you even consider doing "calf raise" with this low weight ?!? All you do is ruin the upright row... Since you should be able to do at least 10 reps with about 100 lbs single leg calf raise i doubt you get alot of doing it in conjunction with row.. tsk tsk
@minit55 it doesn't effect the upright row at all.If you use a heavier weight like you suggested than to execute a few extra reps,an explosive movement like the calf raise would allow you to get the most out of those last few reps. Watch a competitive Olympic clean....the athlete uses his calves, its interesting. Also athletes neglect their calves or save for the end of the workout sometimes skipping them due to time. Adding them within the workout makes it easier
@danawhitesadck ups look at my post above.. And about yout comment about Olympic clean.. Im sorry was it hockey defensemen exercise or was it olympic clean your where posting clip for ?? You can´t compare these 2. The functionality of doing upright row to get "stronger is not the same as doing technique for a max single clean ex. So this is why you need to do it apart.. No matter what the weight is to low to get a calf workout if you can do proper upright rows !!
@minit55 I like how your looking so far into this that you just cant take it. Obv adding a simple calf raise to any exercise is just to add something to the workout. If he decided to drop the plate and catch it on the way down to do a little deceleration" training than so be it. Why not add anything to a workout or exercise if you can. Also when you say functionality".....every exercise is function-able. Its the new cool word to use in new trainers so now im kinda getting where your coming from.
@danawhitesadck its not a COOL word.. Im a licensed physio therapist in Denmark. and adding something that has no effect since the weight is way to low is not "adding" its just ruining the exersice.. but you think what you want. I just want people to not trust every stupid clips and exersice advise posted in youtube.. Pls go jump in the hole with the rest of the lemmings..!!
@danawhitesadck GREAT DECELERATION REFERENCE!! i love it guys keep the debate and talks going but please keep it clean and dont get mad. We all love training so lets learn from one another, and dominate our sports!!!
im a young defencemen 13 im 6 ft 160 pounds a good size, do you recomend doing these excersise despite my age, or will affect my groth in some way. thanks all the best!
good exercises and well explained - would recommend a kettle or dumbell for the last one - if you have sweaty hands, you might lose your grip on the plate and drop it on your foot
Comments, why so long...?
bluebarron99 1 month ago
Second, the final motion of any good skater's stride is extension of the toe/foot to use the final piece of blade to get the most acceleration/speed for your push. It's simply getting the most for your energy expenditure. Thats why a calf raise, regardless of weight, is important in this type of training. At the very least it can help create muscle memory and tire the athlete out a bit more during the workout. I don't understand where you're coming from minit55
jewpancake 4 months ago in playlist Hockey Training
First off...so if no benefit arises when no weight is used, then please explain why plyometric exercises, a cornerstone of hockey training, are used by almost every team/athlete playing right now please minit55?
jewpancake 4 months ago in playlist Hockey Training
First off...so if theres no weight used then why do plymetric exercises that clearly are invaluable for a sport like hockey? Second, the final motion of any good skaters stride is extension of the toe/foot to use the final piece of blade to get the most acceleration/speed for your push. Thats why a calf raise, regardless of weight, is important in this type of training. You are going against the entire athletic training world with your statement minit55.
jewpancake 4 months ago in playlist Hockey Training
First off...so if theres no weight used then why do plymetric exercises that clearly are invaluable for a sport like hockey? Second, the final motion of any good skaters stride is extension of the toe/foot to use the final piece of blade to get the most acceleration/speed for your push. Thats why a calf raise, regardless of weight, is important in this type of training. You are going against the entire athletic training world with your statement minit55.
jewpancake 4 months ago
But you need to read my post again... i state that you get NOTHING other than movement in the ankel joint out of this "calf raise" SINCE THE WEIGHT is way to low to be a real calf raise.. Look at your body weight compared to the upright row weight and tell me that you get a calf exercise from walking normally.. Nah dude you need alot more weight to get a "proper" calf raise exercise ! All i say is that your better off doing a NORMAL upright row..
minit55 4 months ago
@minit55 I agree minit55 that to build a strong calf/ankle joint you would need to do plyometrics,jumprope,or resistance exercises to build the calf properly. The calf raise is added because of what the danawhite guy says below, i add it to the exercise because its there to do. Go to a local gym and watch the athletes skip their calves altogether! Its a shame cause like you said,calves are very important!! Great points and keep them coming,the more we know the better,thanks alot man
RevolutionAthlete 4 months ago
@RevolutionAthlete to convince me you have to give me a physiological or what ever else scientific reason that si support be a peer reviwed source like cochrane or pubmed. You´r argument is that the row is better cos you add something.its not.. and your argument will would be true for blinking your eyes also.. that wouldn´t make the exercise better.. and what others do in a gym is not a argument either. calf raise and upright row requires very different weights. adding with no effect = NO EFFECT
minit55 4 months ago
@minit55 If you do an upright row with 10lbs for 50 reps or 100lbs for 5 reps and add the calf raise than your saying i wont get any benefit at all? Not to mention being on your toes for a split second may and could help someone with increasing their balance and a little core stability. Every athlete is unique and subject to a training regimen that works for them. There may be a boy or girl out there that needs this exercise and another that needs to separate the row and calf raise.
RevolutionAthlete 4 months ago
@RevolutionAthlete well this leads me to my first post. What are you trying to say we are working at ? is this a all round exercise or icehockey defensemen exercise ? i can post whatever exercise and say you will have benefit of doing it.. But thats not the same as saying this is a specific exercise for X. and does defense men really need balance with extenden knees and up on their toes ? as i said this is non specific traning and not to be taken as is! and not as a DEFENSE MEN specific exersice
minit55 4 months ago
@minit55 Then we should eliminate any kind of cable exercises bench press,shoulder presses,deep full squats,pull-ups,cleans,high pulls...etc since they are not "specific" to the exact same movements as a D. D men use their delts and upper-back/trap muscles alot,also holding the weight this way will help improve grip strength. They are constantly transferring energy from the heel to the ball of there foot. Also depends on the radius of the skate,height and weight.
RevolutionAthlete 4 months ago
@minit55 There is no "all powerful exercise or program" on the planet for a D man, some pro players we have only to core and balance work because that's what they need.The rest of the comments within the videos we have are people thanking us for the very simple, yet effective exercises we have. If you want to add your own videos about the benefits of an upright row and calf raise i think that would be a great idea.
RevolutionAthlete 4 months ago
@RevolutionAthlete well i just state what i know from my education as a physio therapist.. im just saying that i would not recommend doing calf raises with low weight and i would not suggest that a hockey player should do stability and balance training up on the toes because they are never up on their toes. That was all i stated from that start and i also stated that this was not hockey excersice but all round excersices.. and no i will continue to train and teach to my learning ;) Have fun Dude
minit55 4 months ago
Wtf.. why would you even consider doing "calf raise" with this low weight ?!? All you do is ruin the upright row... Since you should be able to do at least 10 reps with about 100 lbs single leg calf raise i doubt you get alot of doing it in conjunction with row.. tsk tsk
minit55 5 months ago in playlist Hockey Training
@minit55 it doesn't effect the upright row at all.If you use a heavier weight like you suggested than to execute a few extra reps,an explosive movement like the calf raise would allow you to get the most out of those last few reps. Watch a competitive Olympic clean....the athlete uses his calves, its interesting. Also athletes neglect their calves or save for the end of the workout sometimes skipping them due to time. Adding them within the workout makes it easier
danawhitesadck 4 months ago
@danawhitesadck ups look at my post above.. And about yout comment about Olympic clean.. Im sorry was it hockey defensemen exercise or was it olympic clean your where posting clip for ?? You can´t compare these 2. The functionality of doing upright row to get "stronger is not the same as doing technique for a max single clean ex. So this is why you need to do it apart.. No matter what the weight is to low to get a calf workout if you can do proper upright rows !!
minit55 4 months ago
@minit55 I like how your looking so far into this that you just cant take it. Obv adding a simple calf raise to any exercise is just to add something to the workout. If he decided to drop the plate and catch it on the way down to do a little deceleration" training than so be it. Why not add anything to a workout or exercise if you can. Also when you say functionality".....every exercise is function-able. Its the new cool word to use in new trainers so now im kinda getting where your coming from.
danawhitesadck 4 months ago
@danawhitesadck its not a COOL word.. Im a licensed physio therapist in Denmark. and adding something that has no effect since the weight is way to low is not "adding" its just ruining the exersice.. but you think what you want. I just want people to not trust every stupid clips and exersice advise posted in youtube.. Pls go jump in the hole with the rest of the lemmings..!!
minit55 4 months ago
@danawhitesadck GREAT DECELERATION REFERENCE!! i love it guys keep the debate and talks going but please keep it clean and dont get mad. We all love training so lets learn from one another, and dominate our sports!!!
R1
RevolutionAthlete 4 months ago
Thank you man good video!!!!
MrHockeynut5 7 months ago
nice tip , now here is a tip for you, do not lift weights without shoes on.
salmandini 1 year ago
im a young defencemen 13 im 6 ft 160 pounds a good size, do you recomend doing these excersise despite my age, or will affect my groth in some way. thanks all the best!
Luigi555551 1 year ago
good exercises and well explained - would recommend a kettle or dumbell for the last one - if you have sweaty hands, you might lose your grip on the plate and drop it on your foot
craggct 1 year ago
very good
hockeybum5 3 years ago 4
@hockeybum5 like a rasin haha lol doesnt make sence im high jks wooo :)
groundon1321 1 year ago
great vid
LeaderOynotno 3 years ago 3