Hey guys, I’m working on a website, and hopefully a book of where we can compile letters from people all over the world about the influence Hitchens had on them. Please e-mail anything you wish to say to letterstohitchens@gmail.com.
Miller has got to be pandering to his (FoxNews) base.He's not the same & obviously would rather skate around the trivial and unimportant stuff - you know,like,the facts, logic,reason,science & rational thinking,so as not to upset the weak and fearful morons Fox uses -aka-the countless religious Sheeple we all suffer daily.He either traded his integrity,Comedy career & his dignity to push propaganda to idiots-OR-Maybe,I was wrong all along he's just always been fucking stupid.
Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
I love God. God loves me. God is all I have ! How did you get into the middle of it. I never asked you over to this side of the fence. Why are you here. Did you want to become a Christian. You sound like your a hurt Christian that is trying to get back at God. Why are you trying to get back at God.
Dennis Miller is a weirdo.. He scares me. He reminds me of Hess from the 3rd reich
You gotta admit the Supreme Being has a superb sense of humor. Hitchens had taken to using the word "cancer" over and over again when talking about Christianity (never Judaism, of course) for some time after publishing his drunken diatribe. Shortly thereafter, it turns out that it is only Hitch who is a rotting, cancer-riddled disease bag exuding poison. The "cancer" was in his throat, his favorite instrument for sucking off other men and uttering his rubbish.
@MrTexasArcane Interesting! What do say of the many Christians suffering from the same cancer! Shouldn't atheists be punished with diseases that only atheists can get?
God loves you. Jesus died for you. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Crapped-out sodomite Christ' Hitchens died for his faith: the faith that radio waves, and the accompanying radiation-sickness, is organically therapeutic in regards to eradicating malignant (neoplastigenic) growth from mammalian tissue.
@FabDN41 As I have said before, you can be both simultaneously; most every atheist is simultaneously agnostic, but they're not related terms... Here, let's have Penn Jillette explain it:
watch?v=ImDwy2tZ0MQ
If you don't get it after that, I can't make it more obvious than that I don't think.
You know to be fair, I think Tenet was joking about his alias being spelled backwards. I mean, no body is that stupid. By the way what the fuck is up with this random slideshow here? Do you not have any relevant pictures about anything?
@gunterdak The user who uploaded is "ComedyJesus." I think that explains it. Since this was a radio broadcast, the pictures are irrelevant pretty much.
As he would say faith is the willing suspension of our reason and our logic which are the only things that truly separate us from other mammals. What does humility have to do with faith? If you read him you'll realize that he was a very humble person when it came to his limitations as a writer of fiction or poetry and he was always deferential when it came to issues of science that were beyond his ability to comprehend. He was always willing to change his mind in the face of new evidence.
@Rextrent To preclude is to prevent from happening or to make impossible. If you're going to use big fancy words to insult one of the greatest wordsmiths of the English language you should make sure to use them correctly. It might preclude you looking like an idiot.
@Rextrent Well I may be wasting time but that doesn't mean I have nothing to say. There was very little to say to you because there was not much content in your comment. I'll ask you to look immediately below your original comment.
@ckheldon Very well. You are right and wrong, which is common and easy for everybody. I enjoyed the vocab lesson. However, the opinion and judgment that Hitchens became "too big for his britches" is valid. Often what really matters is not complicated and does not require a hefty textbook of expert opinions. The Bible simply contains truths that will always apply. Pride comes before a fall. It does not require a college education to see the proof, even in our brief tete a tete. Good day.
@Rextrent I don't believe that the Bible is inherently truthful but I will say that sometimes in life people experience failures when they become too prideful. Christopher Hitchens simply got cancer and died. The only prideful thing that might have contributed to that was his smoking habit which he gave up sometime before his diagnosis for the sake of his family. Also, just to clarify, I'm a music school drop out and am not a college intellectual type if that's what you're saying.
@ckheldon I thought that Hitchens was very bright and agreed with most of what I heard him say. His antagonistic stance on belief in God, or whatever his gripe, surprised me. "Wondering why" led me to think that such a renowned person possibly suffered from too much pride, or ego. Humility is part of a persons ability to agree that there is a God, even just a Higher Power, instead of only seeing and believing in "things" that are blatantly visible or provable by a scientific method. Faith.
@Rextrent, if his stance on religion surprised you then you must have not read anything he had to say about the subject. his contempt of bronze age myths was eloquently stated and written many times over. hitchens stood against tyranny and terroism, and he abhorred genocide and the enslavement of people, as well as the denigration of women. the three major monotheism all have within their "holy books" passages that call for these things and glorify them. that was his beef with religion
@vicmackey2008 With respect for the man who has moved on: Why get so bent about mythology and religious tradition?! Understand the context of those historical developments, with as much imagination that it takes, because a fair expositor must have it. He had much intelligence on current events, but should have stayed out of history when it came to the "fairy tale" parts. The current or contemporary Judaeo-Christian attitude towards women and slavery are as modern as anyone can get. Islam is not.
@Rextrent wrong. perhaps in America the idea of slavery is a modern one, but that is also flawed. there are christian groups who still think slavery is okay, and there is hatred spewed at those who are different. slavery was not the only thing he talked about. he spoke against homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, and the use of deities to justify wars. these despicable things are found in xtianity as much as islam. they exist due to the fundamentals of these faiths.
@vicmackey2008 that is why fundamnetalist are seen engaging in these behaviors. only those who have augmented their beliefs, and cherry picked the parts that fit with modern day western concepts of slavery can claim that xtianity is better than islam. the bible contains as many despicable passages that call for genocide, murder, enslavement, and even torture of others. the torture is done by god, but let us not say it is okay to torture someone just because he's a deity.
@vicmackey2008 You're way out there. Not gonna waste time with you. You're just a liberal zombie. Deny it all you want, but I won't waste energy on you.
"It's a total cancer" 0:25 Hitchens said about religion, I wonder if he remembered his words before he died 2 days ago. He will be remembered for getting media attention by being argumentative and controversial and by insulting and offending every one whom he disagree with, he was very good at it I'll give him that.He had that very destructive mind, very sharp in trying to destroy a faith in someone greater than you, a hope for a better life. Atheists are very sad, unfit, and hopeless people.
@TodayDoesNotExist That's exactly what you have wondered about yourself all your life! I am sorry for you! Don't hate your mother, she is not to blame for what you have become, a crappy, worthless, pathetic, angry, little shit. Remember? you always have a choice. Choose to be a more rational person, and you will become one, stop hating the world, and you might start loving yourself. But I truly expect you to keep hating and insulting people, that's the legacy of Hitchens...
@cefaro Classy. Just a long winded version of the immature, childlike 'I know you are, but what am I?' I didn't realize I was dealing with a genius of the craft! Forgive my transgressions, oh great one, as I aspire to rise to your level. You're the load your mother should have swallowed, and it's you, your kind, and your indoctrination of your children who turn out to be like you, who hate. At least Hitchens will be remembered. Despite your opinion, adored and loved by thousands. What of you?
@cefaro I am always amazed at the vehemence of the faithful towards non-believers. We disagree with you. Period. We are no threat. We are not anarchists or devil worshipers. By enlarge we are decent, thoughtful, compassionate and open-minded realists. I myself believe in love, honor, decency, science, evidence and common sense. Much of my youth was in the church. I sang in the choir, carried the cross in the procession and assisted in communion. When I became an adult I changed my mind.
@nobuddyrich You are correct, but to be fair, I have encountered angry attacks from atheists when I suggested the need for more science to study phenomena related to the mind and consciousness, and the possibility that the mind is not a purely organic phenomenon. (And just to be clear, I am not a theist.) Such close-mindedness is not in the spirit of true scientific inquiry when so little is still known about the mind.
@cefaro Hitchens was the last person to demand respect for the dead so I'll say nothing about your timing. However you are utterly wrong. If you read his writings you'll find that he believed in a great deal that was greater than himself such as the power of art and literature or science or not to mention the universe. You believe in something greater than you but I bet you believe that that something has a special plan for you and maybe that you can make requests of it.
@cefaro Can you claim humility if you believe that you can ask favors of the creator of the universe? Can you claim it when you sit in condescending judgment of atheists? When you say that atheists are hopeless you show that you only wish to reinforce your feelings of superiority. I don't think the faithful are hopeless and that's why I speak out. I have hope that you'll change your mind from the impact of my words and the words of others greater than me like Christopher Hitchens.
dennis miller obviously knows his intellectual superiors... at least the man was humbled by somebody because his recent stuff isn't just "solid references" on MNF but rather "I'm BETTER than you" pandering IMHO. denney seems to get a boner for the power... Revolution... dennis. dennis, the wall.
@maoutsaou : People don't realize what a fine musician Christopher Hitchens was. He entertained at the White House & for Queen Liz at Buckingham Palace. Please enjoy a selection from the maestro: Christopher F. Hitchens, in my film: "Christopher Hitchens: The Man & His Music."
In the USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught daycare-university. The Bible was banned&it was illegal to teach it to kids. Within months of the fall of the USSRin 92 the Bible&Creationism was reintroduced in Russian schools.The main one behind it was Olga Lutsenko&she was an atheist then. Death threats made her leave in 96&she lives in Canada&is a Christian now. BTWshe is on youtube&I support her work financially It is amazing how fast the Bible&Christianity came back to Russia 20 years ago
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
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A person does not need religion, hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important, qualitative differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption.
Homosexual activists, with complete support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims and martyrs; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
This has been said too many times already, but atheism is not a belief system and atheists are not members of a group in any sense. Atheism merely implies that for whatever reason, logical or otherwise, someone does not choose to accept deities or religion, while not necessarily throwing out spirituality. I choose to not accept the existence of a deity because there is as much evidence for it as fairies, yet that does not make me an afairyist. Do they exist? Can I prove that they dont? No!
@VincitOmniaVerit ..and you believe something came from nothing. A child recognizes this as an unreasonable illogical and plain stupid. But hey.. whatever helps you to be intellectually lazy. Your crutch.
@ElProximo Steven Hawking thinks it's possible to get something out of nothing and one of his reasons is that time doesn't exist inside a black hole, but watch this video watch?v=WQhd05ZVYWg&feature=channel_video_title
Also from a purely logical standpoint your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You don't make an appealing argument, you simply insult. The one who needs a crutch (God), is you. We can say 'we don't know, but we'll try to find out' you simply 'know'. How convenient.
@OtakuViking The video you linked is stupid and full of lies and conjecture and how condescending the lies too. Having said that - Hawking is zero expert on any of this. He can't even figure out the difference between 'Agent' and Mechanism'. Also, don't say things like 'from a purely logical standpoint' as it makes you sound like a moron (maybe you are) but premising God = therefore there IS purpose and design we CAN find using purpose and design. Atheism = why investigate at all? We win.
@ElProximo I think you got it wrong. Theists are the ones who don't want to investigate because they already know, which is what I was trying to convey to you in my last comment. Also, I see no reason to change my evaluation of your argument, which seems non-existent and your language which seems insulting. Simply postulating a bunch of things without argument doesn't justify as proof of anything, thus I stand by my assessment that logic is hard to come by in your comments.
@OtakuViking If you want to talk logic then talk reality. Jews and Christian presuppose a God of Genesis exists. They suppose a God used some 'method' and intelligent order (just as he did with books, words, scriptures) to write nature. From there a person can suppose that there may first be some kind of order to be found in nature.. but also it might be found using 'methods' and may even reveal the 'handiwork' of God Himself. Hence the compulsion to science they pursued. Easy. Logical.
@OtakuViking If you want to talk logic then talk reality. Jews and Christian presuppose a God of Genesis exists. They suppose a God used some 'method' and intelligent order (just as he did with books, words, scriptures) to write nature. From there a person can suppose that there may first be some kind of order to be found in nature.. but also it might be found using 'methods' and may even reveal the 'handiwork' of God Himself. Hence the compulsion to science they pursued. Easy. Logical.
@ElProximo Christians as a whole has been against scientific research up until rather recently, now there are less who oppose it. But there was no compulsion to pursue science within the religious. Atleast Christians.
An ancient greek (Aristarchus) proposed that the earth was heliocentric, yet what happened to that theory? Galileo's discoveries were hidden for a very long time by the church and greatly retarded astronomy. you can hardly claim that they had a compulsion to pursue science....
@OtakuViking You live in a completely deluded dream of history and that is actually DISTURBING you have NO IDEA about the history of western culture. Downright SCARY to think you are alive and posting this and actually believe it.
The Modern Scientific Method is a Christian By-Product. It is from the Christian Church. The 'Founding Fathers' of the modern scientific method and lineage to you were CHRISTIAN MONKS, PRIESTS, and this includes High-Ranking Churchman Galileo. FFS READ ABOUT HISTORY!
@ElProximo What on earth are you talking about? Galileo was an Italian physicist, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher who got in trouble with the church for proposing the heliocentric model of the universe. He was in no way a churchman. It's true that he was supported by the church up until his release of the book which proposed the heliocentric theory and which appeared to attack the pope. The inquisition tried him and sentenced him to house arrest. (He recanted, which saved his life).
@OtakuViking WOW! Even given google and wikipedia you STILL cannot comprehend this. Galileo - LIKE NEARLY ALL SCIENTISTS works for the Church. Like ALMOST ALL SCIENTISTS WHO FOUNDED MODERN SCIENCE - Galileo is a HIGH RANKING CHURCH OFFICIAL. Galileo is 'The Church'. He IS an elite member of the Church. He is not just 'clergy' he is VERY HIGH RANKING ELITE CLERGY.
He did not propose heliocentricism. He did not publish any facts or work to back it up either. Dissed boss. lived wealthy and rich.
@ElProximo Just go and read wikipedia or Galilei's books and you'll find out the truth. Our little internet exchange is now over. I find it pointless to continue further:)
@OtakuViking No, what happened was that you stopped repeating a stupid fake story you made-up and embellished and finally did read the wikipedia page. You have never read a Galileo book in your entire life. You didn't even know who he was 10 hours ago you moron. You found out I was right. You were corrected. No need for the annoying 'face saving' fake post. Just STFU and go sit down next time.
@ElProximo What happened was that I gave up trying to reason with you. Have you been educated? All schools in Denmark have to teach you about Galileo, so I'm not just making it up as I go along, as you seem to be doing ^_^
@OtakuViking Yes, you are making it up as you go along. Had you bothered to read your history books or even the Wikipedia link you mentioned - you would know Galileo was a member of the Church, employed by the Church and was himself a 'Vatican Scientist and was so high-ranking he was a personal acquaintance of both Popes (not just his bosses) and this not to mention very wealthy from his high-ranking Church position.
@OtakuViking WOW! Even given google and wikipedia you STILL cannot comprehend this. Galileo - LIKE NEARLY ALL SCIENTISTS works for the Church. Like ALMOST ALL SCIENTISTS WHO FOUNDED MODERN SCIENCE - Galileo is a HIGH RANKING CHURCH OFFICIAL. Galileo is 'The Church'. He IS an elite member of the Church. He is not just 'clergy' he is VERY HIGH RANKING ELITE CLERGY.
He did not propose heliocentricism. He did not publish any facts or work to back it up either. Dissed boss. lived wealthy and rich.
@ElProximo That being said, ad hominem doesn't really help either side, but I just pointed out that the pillars supporting the roof were non-existent. But let me quote Bertrand Russel for a moment:"When you are studying any matter or considering any philosophy, ask yourself only: what are the facts, and what is the truth that the facts bear out" In case of our argument, I'm looking for the fact of God's existence, which has yet to be proven. Thus it'll be quite impossible to reach a conclusion.
Always listen to the content of what a person says. Some can use thousands of words that fundamentally amount to a tautology - it is what it is. Dennis Miller is one of those people and as such should be ignored.
oh please, Tenet probably sent those patsys to flight school, to help cover up the 9/11 computer graphics inside job. The proof is in on computer graphics manipulation of what we saw as live tv on 9/11. Check out my favorites for more info. INVESTIGATE. ACT.
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE Yes, there are computer graphics in the 9/11 footage. The proof is there for all to see. The video is manipulated as to the geographical content (bridges too close, and moving), and as to many other things, the sky is darkened, and colored pastel colors, the "planes" themselves have been proven to be graphics, There is one channel that showed no planes at all striking. There were fly-by planes and planted explosives. Lots of other CGI stuff. Look it up. INVESTIGATE. ACT.
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE Even some of the victims pictures have been created graphically, by programs designed to put features together. The proof of this is at the Memorial sites. There are 2 memorial sites, and the photographs are different, but almost the same. For example, one picture of lets say Joe, has Joe wearing a dark suit and his hair is messy, but the exact same face at the exact same angle and lighting has Joe looking fuzzy and wearing a sweat suit. Look up Victim Simulations.
Ha ha ha, what a milquetoast Miller is here. Now a FOX sellout with a big brave mouth as OReilly's lapdog, and nobody to call him on his moronic (and for years unfunny) BS, in this revealing 10 minutes we see him with his tail between his legs. Faced with a true intellect, logician, and great orator like Hitchens, he's a cowardly chump. Listen to the little boy ramp up starting at 6:00 to his weaselly half-hearted point about religious believers vis a vis the atheist, where's the bravado now?
If they are Muslim they say your under physical harm because you dont respect our Prophet? WHAT A FRAUD AND LIAR. There have been MANY people who havent liked Muhammad (S) and written books about how he is one thing or another VERY FEW have been attacked or killed as a result by a few crazies. There is no suck command in Islam to kill someone for not agreeing with Muhammad (S). So Hitch if u wanna blame a MUSLIM then fine but to blame the faith YOUR WRONG. That's if thats what you're saying.
No human being would ever condemn one of their children to Hell no matter what they did. As God's love is far greater than human love, why would He? And I am a Christian.
Christopher Hitchens is the ULTIMATE SHOCK JOCK!!!!!! I love him. More crass than Howard Stern, more British than Noam, more convincing than Rush Limbaugh, more obnoxious than Bill O'Reilly, more captivating than any televangelist & less of a flamer than Anderson Cooper!
Everyone gets BULLIED, all of his opponents go down! Even if he gets cornered he can command his superior articulation to TWIST scientific evidence & come roaring back! - Long live the Hitchslap!
how is disliking pretentious high school kids a delusion? ohhhh maybe you're implying that the majority believes in a god? The delusion is on the one that believes in anything certain. Agnosticism: 1 everyone else: -1.
If you decide to Sherlock what happens when you die go ahead, it will be fruitless, but if it gets you kicks and giggles, than go ahead. Whatever you end up beleiving will be a delusion. so give people a break on what they believe. they are equally as dumb as you.
Atheists like myself do not assert that there is definitely no god, only that there has never been any evidence to indicate it; I would also say that as for myself, I don't believe that there is anything especially charitable or good in allowing people to mislead themselves because of dogma they have been indoctrinated with.
@OdinLowe It's misleading to give people hope? hope for the hopeless is wrong? If you're and atheist then what do you have to be offended by? the idea that no believers burn? I guess your non-beliefs in this topic really frighten you, especially about hell. pshhh
I dont see how their belief is misleading and problem causing....really i dont. keep it out of schools and everyone's happy (which the majority of schools keep creationism out anyways except the bible belt).
@Duckshmm It's called false hope and it's offensive, mind numbing and sickening. Just what the fuck are you hoping for exactly? Hope is everywhere (take for example; scientific research to cure diseases), and it has NOTHING to do with God. We don't need God (the idea of God, I should say). Keep on believing in the mystical sky fairy, if it really gives you "hope". You don't deserve good things.
@OdinLowe have you looked up what the definition of atheism is? i ask because it is not what you describe yourself as. In reality, it sounds more like agnosticism, and more specifically you are more than likely and agnostic theist.
@Eninety2 Not true; an Agnostic believes we don't have sufficient knowledge(and may never have it), but atheism comes from a lack of belief. Everyone who has a rational mind cannot disprove say, the existence of fairies or demons or a teapot orbiting the sun. Therefore I am TECHNICALLY agnostic on these propositions, but it's so completely unlikely that I don't believe in them; there's no evidence for them. The same holds true for religion
I think you are a mistaken, or you're a fool. I'm positive there's no god, but I know there isn't sufficient evidence to say definitely, which is why I won't do what the religious do and say I KNOW. That doesn't mean that I'm not 99.9999999% positive I'm right. but I simply lack the audacity to make a claim without presenting adequate evidence; although all available evidence does favor my position.
@OdinLowe I hardly need it pointed out 2 me that I'm a fool, but maintain that what YOU need do is consult a dictionary. An atheist maintains that s/he KNOWS there is no god, while an agnostic says they have been shown no evidence that there's such a thing as god--which is not the same thing and which is what you seem to keep repeating while calling it "atheism." Believe me, I'm a much bigger fool than you could ever hope to be but am possessed of the wisdom to consult a dictionary on occasion.
@dantean I've already said this, but atheism is about a lack of belief, and agnosticism is a lack of knowledge; I don't have belief, and I don't think there will ever be conclusive proof that there is no god, so I'm probably an agnostic atheist, as one might say... The two things are not mutually exclusive but they don't depend on each other either
@OdinLowe Agnosticism is the belief that there may or may not be a deity. It is the neutral zone, the middle ground, between the two. They do not take a stand on anything. Agnostic atheism is that you do not feel that anyone can know if a deity does or does not exist, but -you- feel that a deity does not exist.
@OdinLowe Why not? The evidence clearly supports that people that believe in God report having more meaning in their live and report greater satisfaction than those that don't. It's important to note that you are making two statements. Being an Atheists is a scientific statement; stating that you don't "believe" there is anything . . .good [by believing in religion] is. As is your statement that indoctrination is the cause of religion. The weight of evidence is against those statements.
@cdog4100 cdog4100 3 days ago: "@OdinLowe Why not? The evidence clearly supports that people that believe in God report having more meaning in their live and report greater satisfaction than those that don't." Utterly and completely false. "Meaning in their lives"? Honestly? That is completely your opinion, not fact. Also, greater satisfaction? Their satisfaction is completely affirmed by themselves and their religious figures. Hence, their satisfaction is relatively discounted.
@xy2z1997 A bit of education to soothe your aching ignorance. "Religiousness/Spirituality and Health: A Meaning Systems Perspective," Crystal Park, J Behav Med (2007) 30:319–328.
You should not write on things you do not know. Also, I will not discount a person's well being merely because it derived from self-affirmation. I think everyone has the right to pursue happiness by whatever means, as long as it does not harm others.
Agnosticism is within the umbrella of atheism. remember that atheism is simly a(a lack of) theism(the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation)... and as such agnosticism is really a rather redundant temr. just saying.
redundant maybe in the sense if you completely distort the meaning of agnosticism. An agnostic neither doubts or credits the belief in a god. Denying God is impossible and or claiming that you for sure know there is a God is impossible (except perhaps to the individual).
Clumping in in with atheism is like clumping deists with Christians.... which are totally different beliefs systems completely. Doubt is a character of every belief or disbelif. you cant monpolize it for atheists
@liquidfreak he's a corporate media tool....as we speak he's sucking the boss's dick. He started off with something good, and ended with with being a complete tool. 0 respect for the prick.
@liquidfreak He's a FOx sellout and OReilly's lapdog, like the other clown Gerry Rivers (aka Geraldo). Miller lost the wit, now just a twit. Can't stand the pantywaist
I think there is a god but I don't believe in it. The religions of the world have caused tremendous destruction and its the phoneyist way to live. Its the belief that destroys people. Still yet it is clear to me that there is a God. Not the god of man. Not the God created by man. To believe in God is to worship your own ego.
@DoogMcKracken If you think there is a god, then you must believe in a God. belief in it's most basic form can be defined as "excepting that a statement is true". What you said is like me stating "I think that evolution happened, but I don't believe in it" that's just illogical. As the definition states, you can't except that something is true, but not believe in it.
@assemblyguy What? Miller an unfunny douch bag? What an insult to douche bags. And he's so unfunny, it ain't even funny! He wasn't horrible on Sat.Nite.Live, but since then, the only one laughing at his shtick, is he himself.
@assemblyguy- well even funnier about this video is... Miller says... People are afraid now and everyone goes to their own comfort as in their belief in God @ 6:15.
Well that almost sounds like saying people CLING to their BIBLES. And just throw in there Guns, you get Clinging to their Guns and Bible as Obama said, which is TRUE about many of these evangelicals.
So Miller who I'm sure criticized Obama for saying that, is HERE pretty much saying the same thing.
Foamulator, you're a complete idiot. You are the reason liberal atheists are on average more intelligent than conservatives. Look it up. PS Jesus was liberal. Just saying. Stick that in your bible and thump it.
They chuckle through their poking fun of George Tenant (sic) but what about the real howler of these two lads championing aggression as it meant something to stand up agianst the Mushian invasion of Iraq in 2002. Both were propagandists and went to the bank on it - thank you very much - as Hitch might say. Yes, so, let's chcukle away Dennis Killer and Brother - it is right for Americans to take bullets for Israel and Kurds - Hitch. Yuck yuck lads!
While I am..on the fence about whether or not we should have went into Iraq I do admire people like Hitchens whose stated purpose was essientally humanitarian. Saddam was a terrible, brutal dictator that butchered his own people and whether or not it was a wise decision to invade Iraq I do think that, strictly on a humanitarian level it was more than justified.
Your other comment about Americans taking bullets for peope of other countries shows to me a rather disturbing (cont)
sentiment of selfishness. While I think that the division of having autonomous countries is a practical neccesity it doesn't change the fact that people, by in large, are the same at the most basic level and deserve the same rights. These were being undermind constantly by Sadaam and his regime and the Kurds in some ways felt the brunt of it the most. How do you think you would feel in that situation? Would you want people from another country to intervene and protect you in such
@Pervyable So you're on a fence re:Iraq.The Brit.Med.Journal Lancet published in 2005 a peer reviewed study of Iraq war related deaths.The study was conducted by Johns Hopkins School of Pub.Health,world renowned in these types of studies.They estimated as of 2005-6, that 650K Iraqis died as a direct result of our invasion.Updated # is 1.3 mil.That's a WAR CRIME!Hussein had 0 to do with 9/11 & have you noticed that the killing still goes on everyday in Iraq.Get off the fence already Pervy.
George Carlin was a total loser. He found a niche being a " liberal" comedian, but most libtards are lazy, lawsuit slinging, black people who just want to raise tax rates so they can live off the producers in society, and milk the people who actually produce something besides welfare stamps. He always ended up being a traitor to the country that made him rich, and left most people embarassed. I think I have made my point by showing your reflection, one of a racist moron on YT
@foamulator Tobacco chewing, gun lusting, wife beating, racist ass, brainwashed bible thumpers are what the founding fathers had in mind. lets be total dicks and cut taxes, lets starve the poor, forget compassion lets make it so all the semi-retarded people end up homeless and hungry till they end up robbing our grandparents in the park out of desperation. We should give them nothing, they are milking us for ramen and hot dogs, how dare they! ...you do realize you sound like that right? fuck you
@foamulator I see... taking your post at face value i was doing the EXACT same "look in the mirror" post.
After reading the post you were doing a reflection on i see that the circle was completed. In my defense your post did not begin with @allthegoodnamzWerTkn. The person you attempted to enlighten did not even see it, when posting a reply its best to highlight the post you are responding to and hit reply. I apologise for the confusion all the same and i retract my "fuck you" comment :)
Dennis Miller is pathetic. He has found a niche being a "conservative" comedian, but most conservatives are stiff, business-owning white people who just want to lower tax rates for themselves and manipulate the working class . He ends up being unfunny, and boring the average comedy enthusiast. This is not a guy who's following in the footsteps of people like George Carlin. I think George Carlin would hate his guts.
"Jesus was very angry about last weeks collection" ! That about says it all! The son of the almighty creator of course needs more of your money! And the brainwashed, uneducated, unwashed obese american masses will of course blindly oblige for fear of never getting on that comfy cloud with said space daddy and company... What's more evil than forcing children to believe the same garbage you were forced to believe? It just goes to show how weak the evidence is for gods' existence...
He's pissed off because he can't get a condom? Or he's not happy with the progress China is making in stem cell research? Or he's offended because the leader of the former Soviet Union wears a cross? Or he thinks newspapers should do as he says? Few educated people believe the moaning of a hungover alcoholic is erudite.
Another one of you Religion Haters just killed 6 innocent people and almost killed his own US Congressman because he had more moral compass, no Moral Authority. When will you losers let us have a civilization here. You're getting as bad as the Muslims.
@fdzwes Getting as bad as the muslims? You mean, that religious group who claim to have "Moral Authority" just like christians?
Speaking of which, don't christians have a differering opinion on which bits of "Moral Authority" to cherry pick out of the bible? Hence why christianity has gone from "slavery is gud coz da bible says so" to "where does the bible support slavery? oh no that's a misinterpretation"
Guess what - this happens because morality does NOT come from a god or his magic book
@Dahvood Religion Haters think all religion is the same. Can't spot good religion from bad. If your prophet is screwing 9 year old girls and sucking their tongues, that's a bad religion. Slavery is Christianity's weakest/softest spot on underbelly. One story in Bible (Philemon) addresses slavery. Slave escapes (against law), converts to Christianity, St Paul sends note back to owner asking permission to keep him "on staff" if he will allow. If not, he is sent back. THAT'S all You got?!
@fdzwes okay, we'll ignore Leviticus where it discusses how its okay to buy slaves from neighbouring countries, and how these slaves can be inherited by your children (Leviticus 25:44-46)
We'll ignore Exodus where it discusses how long you may own a hebrew slave, and the means by which you can make him yours forever - by abusing his love for this wife (Exodus 21:2-6)
We'll ignore Ephesians where it instructs slaves to obey their masters as they would Jesus. (Ephesians 6:5)
@Dahvood OK, Morning. Christianity is prepare-spirit-for-eternity religion. Is not, bring-heaven-to-earth religion. (For contrast, Islam is all about changing earthly social order) Many, Many people have tried and continue to try this. Christianity had absolutely no earthly authority at start, was persecuted for 300 years. (For contrast, Islam had, through violence, overtaken all Middle East and Northern coast of Africa and was moving into Spain less than 70 years after Mohammad's death)...
Christ did not come to overthrow physically ie, Kick out Roman Government; he comes to overthrow spiritually ie change man's hearts. Having a changed heart is what prepares people for eternity. So, no, Slavery is not good, not Christian, but what is weak persecuted religion to do? Authentic Christianity has always had tension with Slavery practice, with many many practices on earth, but does not focus on changing law, but changing heart. Pretty good religion. Better than nothing!
@fdzwes Heh, this is turning into a topic I want to write an essay on.
If the bible said "there should be no slavery" then I would agree with your point on spiritual vs real world. However, it doesn't even say "slavery is bad". Aside from that, it explicitly describes how to immorally treat slaves.
@Dahvood I think Israel treatment of slaves is reasonable considering Pedagogy Argument. In OT Bible times no debtor's prison. Servitude (Slavery) instead. In NT Bible times now we see debtor's prison. Parables liken eternal punishment for sin as debtor's prison (Catholics say analogy for Purgatory. Not a fan) Roman slavery similar to Jewish servitude but more brutal.
Notice, no Slavery in Israel now. None in USA. In Muslim paradises? YES. True religion develops. Not Cults.
@fdzwes I'd point out that debt isn't the only means that one ends up a slave. Chance of birth, spoils of war and simple kidnap come to mind. As such, your parable isn't entirely just.
The bible was also used as a justification for slavery as late as the 19th century. I understand your underlying point, but I don't entirely buy it.
@fdzwes As to the pedagogy argument in general, I think we're at a point where we're going to simply disagree. I do agree that Christianity has changed over the years, and mostly for the better. You might like to attribute this to an increased understanding of the bible, I would attribute it to an increased influence of secular ideas on peoples interpretation of the bible. I would thus argue that we have generally become more moral people despite the teaching of the bible.
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kermykermitt1112 5 days ago
Hitchens' genius is overwhelming. His concept concerning NO GOD is amazingly accurate and without contriteness!
lifeschild1 6 days ago 2
Miller has got to be pandering to his (FoxNews) base.He's not the same & obviously would rather skate around the trivial and unimportant stuff - you know,like,the facts, logic,reason,science & rational thinking,so as not to upset the weak and fearful morons Fox uses -aka-the countless religious Sheeple we all suffer daily.He either traded his integrity,Comedy career & his dignity to push propaganda to idiots-OR-Maybe,I was wrong all along he's just always been fucking stupid.
lucidkat 1 week ago
It almost sounds like Dennis Miller believes in the religious nonsense. Very disappointing.
gregdye 1 week ago
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Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
TheWorldFarOff 1 week ago
Drunken moron. Lol I listen to intelligent people like Ben Carson, not this drunk fool.
sammyjs1983 1 week ago
He simply grew up, and saw the blatant hypocrisy of the Leftist "progressives".
foamulator 1 week ago
god bless Christopher Hitchens.
WKRPinCINN 1 week ago
@WKRPinCINN Thats insulting.
33bynum 1 week ago
I love God. God loves me. God is all I have ! How did you get into the middle of it. I never asked you over to this side of the fence. Why are you here. Did you want to become a Christian. You sound like your a hurt Christian that is trying to get back at God. Why are you trying to get back at God.
Dennis Miller is a weirdo.. He scares me. He reminds me of Hess from the 3rd reich
TheOmnicell 1 week ago
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swedishguy83 2 weeks ago
You gotta admit the Supreme Being has a superb sense of humor. Hitchens had taken to using the word "cancer" over and over again when talking about Christianity (never Judaism, of course) for some time after publishing his drunken diatribe. Shortly thereafter, it turns out that it is only Hitch who is a rotting, cancer-riddled disease bag exuding poison. The "cancer" was in his throat, his favorite instrument for sucking off other men and uttering his rubbish.
The irony is excellent.
MrTexasArcane 2 weeks ago
@MrTexasArcane Interesting! What do say of the many Christians suffering from the same cancer! Shouldn't atheists be punished with diseases that only atheists can get?
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swedishguy83 2 weeks ago
@MrTexasArcane Har har. Nice 9th-grade thesis there. I guess about as good as your god could do.
subjectsuperject 1 week ago
I miss the old Dennis Miller before he sold his soul (and intellect) to Fox "News".
How disappointing.
JoshuaTaylor 3 weeks ago 14
@JoshuaTaylor 9-11 really fucked him up.
emmers57 2 weeks ago
@JoshuaTaylor
Dennis Miller's routine: Smug laugh + Something about eating at a nice restaurant + word from the thesaurus (e.g. supercilious).
meinLiebsterFeind 1 week ago 3
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Gracesaves7772 3 weeks ago
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Crapped-out sodomite Christ' Hitchens died for his faith: the faith that radio waves, and the accompanying radiation-sickness, is organically therapeutic in regards to eradicating malignant (neoplastigenic) growth from mammalian tissue.
OneDollarBook 3 weeks ago
ouch. I went and read Hitchen's article in Slate about Tenet. Ouch.
mixmastermeeks 3 weeks ago
Stupid slide show is irritating.
gooztala 4 weeks ago 2
@gooztala I just read the comments when there is an irritating slide show.
mixmastermeeks 3 weeks ago
mockers will mock
mystic81006 1 month ago
@FabDN41 As I have said before, you can be both simultaneously; most every atheist is simultaneously agnostic, but they're not related terms... Here, let's have Penn Jillette explain it:
watch?v=ImDwy2tZ0MQ
If you don't get it after that, I can't make it more obvious than that I don't think.
OdinLowe 1 month ago 2
You know to be fair, I think Tenet was joking about his alias being spelled backwards. I mean, no body is that stupid. By the way what the fuck is up with this random slideshow here? Do you not have any relevant pictures about anything?
gunterdak 1 month ago
@gunterdak The user who uploaded is "ComedyJesus." I think that explains it. Since this was a radio broadcast, the pictures are irrelevant pretty much.
grumpyotter 1 month ago
This video has the greatest thumbnail ever.
Frostylongcat 1 month ago
@cefaro
No he said "it's a colon cancer", making a joke out of the punctuation mark.
surfricy 1 month ago
As he would say faith is the willing suspension of our reason and our logic which are the only things that truly separate us from other mammals. What does humility have to do with faith? If you read him you'll realize that he was a very humble person when it came to his limitations as a writer of fiction or poetry and he was always deferential when it came to issues of science that were beyond his ability to comprehend. He was always willing to change his mind in the face of new evidence.
ckheldon 1 month ago
Hitchens WAS almost excellent, but pride precluded his condescending fall.
Rextrent 1 month ago
@Rextrent To preclude is to prevent from happening or to make impossible. If you're going to use big fancy words to insult one of the greatest wordsmiths of the English language you should make sure to use them correctly. It might preclude you looking like an idiot.
ckheldon 1 month ago
@ckheldon You have nothing to say of value or import. You have no case but are a typical example of wasting time.
Rextrent 1 month ago
@Rextrent Well I may be wasting time but that doesn't mean I have nothing to say. There was very little to say to you because there was not much content in your comment. I'll ask you to look immediately below your original comment.
ckheldon 1 month ago
@ckheldon Very well. You are right and wrong, which is common and easy for everybody. I enjoyed the vocab lesson. However, the opinion and judgment that Hitchens became "too big for his britches" is valid. Often what really matters is not complicated and does not require a hefty textbook of expert opinions. The Bible simply contains truths that will always apply. Pride comes before a fall. It does not require a college education to see the proof, even in our brief tete a tete. Good day.
Rextrent 1 month ago
@Rextrent I don't believe that the Bible is inherently truthful but I will say that sometimes in life people experience failures when they become too prideful. Christopher Hitchens simply got cancer and died. The only prideful thing that might have contributed to that was his smoking habit which he gave up sometime before his diagnosis for the sake of his family. Also, just to clarify, I'm a music school drop out and am not a college intellectual type if that's what you're saying.
ckheldon 1 month ago
@ckheldon I thought that Hitchens was very bright and agreed with most of what I heard him say. His antagonistic stance on belief in God, or whatever his gripe, surprised me. "Wondering why" led me to think that such a renowned person possibly suffered from too much pride, or ego. Humility is part of a persons ability to agree that there is a God, even just a Higher Power, instead of only seeing and believing in "things" that are blatantly visible or provable by a scientific method. Faith.
Rextrent 1 month ago
@Rextrent, if his stance on religion surprised you then you must have not read anything he had to say about the subject. his contempt of bronze age myths was eloquently stated and written many times over. hitchens stood against tyranny and terroism, and he abhorred genocide and the enslavement of people, as well as the denigration of women. the three major monotheism all have within their "holy books" passages that call for these things and glorify them. that was his beef with religion
vicmackey2008 1 month ago
@vicmackey2008 With respect for the man who has moved on: Why get so bent about mythology and religious tradition?! Understand the context of those historical developments, with as much imagination that it takes, because a fair expositor must have it. He had much intelligence on current events, but should have stayed out of history when it came to the "fairy tale" parts. The current or contemporary Judaeo-Christian attitude towards women and slavery are as modern as anyone can get. Islam is not.
Rextrent 1 month ago
@Rextrent wrong. perhaps in America the idea of slavery is a modern one, but that is also flawed. there are christian groups who still think slavery is okay, and there is hatred spewed at those who are different. slavery was not the only thing he talked about. he spoke against homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, and the use of deities to justify wars. these despicable things are found in xtianity as much as islam. they exist due to the fundamentals of these faiths.
vicmackey2008 1 month ago
@vicmackey2008 that is why fundamnetalist are seen engaging in these behaviors. only those who have augmented their beliefs, and cherry picked the parts that fit with modern day western concepts of slavery can claim that xtianity is better than islam. the bible contains as many despicable passages that call for genocide, murder, enslavement, and even torture of others. the torture is done by god, but let us not say it is okay to torture someone just because he's a deity.
vicmackey2008 1 month ago
@vicmackey2008 You're way out there. Not gonna waste time with you. You're just a liberal zombie. Deny it all you want, but I won't waste energy on you.
Rextrent 1 month ago
"It's a total cancer" 0:25 Hitchens said about religion, I wonder if he remembered his words before he died 2 days ago. He will be remembered for getting media attention by being argumentative and controversial and by insulting and offending every one whom he disagree with, he was very good at it I'll give him that.He had that very destructive mind, very sharp in trying to destroy a faith in someone greater than you, a hope for a better life. Atheists are very sad, unfit, and hopeless people.
cefaro 1 month ago
@cefaro I wonder if your mother had anything to say about a wasted load before you were conceived.
TodayDoesNotExist 1 month ago
@TodayDoesNotExist That's exactly what you have wondered about yourself all your life! I am sorry for you! Don't hate your mother, she is not to blame for what you have become, a crappy, worthless, pathetic, angry, little shit. Remember? you always have a choice. Choose to be a more rational person, and you will become one, stop hating the world, and you might start loving yourself. But I truly expect you to keep hating and insulting people, that's the legacy of Hitchens...
cefaro 1 month ago 2
@cefaro Classy. Just a long winded version of the immature, childlike 'I know you are, but what am I?' I didn't realize I was dealing with a genius of the craft! Forgive my transgressions, oh great one, as I aspire to rise to your level. You're the load your mother should have swallowed, and it's you, your kind, and your indoctrination of your children who turn out to be like you, who hate. At least Hitchens will be remembered. Despite your opinion, adored and loved by thousands. What of you?
TodayDoesNotExist 1 month ago
@cefaro I am always amazed at the vehemence of the faithful towards non-believers. We disagree with you. Period. We are no threat. We are not anarchists or devil worshipers. By enlarge we are decent, thoughtful, compassionate and open-minded realists. I myself believe in love, honor, decency, science, evidence and common sense. Much of my youth was in the church. I sang in the choir, carried the cross in the procession and assisted in communion. When I became an adult I changed my mind.
nobuddyrich 1 month ago
@nobuddyrich You are correct, but to be fair, I have encountered angry attacks from atheists when I suggested the need for more science to study phenomena related to the mind and consciousness, and the possibility that the mind is not a purely organic phenomenon. (And just to be clear, I am not a theist.) Such close-mindedness is not in the spirit of true scientific inquiry when so little is still known about the mind.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@cefaro Hitchens was the last person to demand respect for the dead so I'll say nothing about your timing. However you are utterly wrong. If you read his writings you'll find that he believed in a great deal that was greater than himself such as the power of art and literature or science or not to mention the universe. You believe in something greater than you but I bet you believe that that something has a special plan for you and maybe that you can make requests of it.
ckheldon 1 month ago
@cefaro Can you claim humility if you believe that you can ask favors of the creator of the universe? Can you claim it when you sit in condescending judgment of atheists? When you say that atheists are hopeless you show that you only wish to reinforce your feelings of superiority. I don't think the faithful are hopeless and that's why I speak out. I have hope that you'll change your mind from the impact of my words and the words of others greater than me like Christopher Hitchens.
ckheldon 1 month ago
@cefaro you couldn't be more wrong... completely missing the point
iprovokateur 1 month ago
dennis miller obviously knows his intellectual superiors... at least the man was humbled by somebody because his recent stuff isn't just "solid references" on MNF but rather "I'm BETTER than you" pandering IMHO. denney seems to get a boner for the power... Revolution... dennis. dennis, the wall.
maoutsaou 1 month ago
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procommenter 1 month ago
"Eat my refuse" hahahha
OdinLowe 1 month ago
It would only make him a hypocrite if he professed a belief in acting the same around everyone.
charlesvan13 3 months ago
Funny how Dennis MIller sucks up to Hitchens yet his appearances on the O'Reilly show he acts completely different. What a hypocrite.
tonydorsett33 3 months ago
@tonydorsett33 Very well put tonydorsett33. We wish more people could see this.
GentlemenPreferHanes 1 month ago
Dennis Miller is an arrogant prick.
blakeesmith84 3 months ago
I call bs on Hitchens. There's no way there's a literacy festival in Arkansas.
neeson16 3 months ago
In the USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught daycare-university. The Bible was banned&it was illegal to teach it to kids. Within months of the fall of the USSRin 92 the Bible&Creationism was reintroduced in Russian schools.The main one behind it was Olga Lutsenko&she was an atheist then. Death threats made her leave in 96&she lives in Canada&is a Christian now. BTWshe is on youtube&I support her work financially It is amazing how fast the Bible&Christianity came back to Russia 20 years ago
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What is up with these pictures?
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
This has been said too many times already, but atheism is not a belief system and atheists are not members of a group in any sense. Atheism merely implies that for whatever reason, logical or otherwise, someone does not choose to accept deities or religion, while not necessarily throwing out spirituality. I choose to not accept the existence of a deity because there is as much evidence for it as fairies, yet that does not make me an afairyist. Do they exist? Can I prove that they dont? No!
VincitOmniaVerit 4 months ago
@VincitOmniaVerit ..and you believe something came from nothing. A child recognizes this as an unreasonable illogical and plain stupid. But hey.. whatever helps you to be intellectually lazy. Your crutch.
ElProximo 4 months ago
@ElProximo Steven Hawking thinks it's possible to get something out of nothing and one of his reasons is that time doesn't exist inside a black hole, but watch this video watch?v=WQhd05ZVYWg&feature=channel_video_title
Also from a purely logical standpoint your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You don't make an appealing argument, you simply insult. The one who needs a crutch (God), is you. We can say 'we don't know, but we'll try to find out' you simply 'know'. How convenient.
OtakuViking 3 months ago
@OtakuViking The video you linked is stupid and full of lies and conjecture and how condescending the lies too. Having said that - Hawking is zero expert on any of this. He can't even figure out the difference between 'Agent' and Mechanism'. Also, don't say things like 'from a purely logical standpoint' as it makes you sound like a moron (maybe you are) but premising God = therefore there IS purpose and design we CAN find using purpose and design. Atheism = why investigate at all? We win.
ElProximo 3 months ago
@ElProximo I think you got it wrong. Theists are the ones who don't want to investigate because they already know, which is what I was trying to convey to you in my last comment. Also, I see no reason to change my evaluation of your argument, which seems non-existent and your language which seems insulting. Simply postulating a bunch of things without argument doesn't justify as proof of anything, thus I stand by my assessment that logic is hard to come by in your comments.
OtakuViking 3 months ago
@OtakuViking If you want to talk logic then talk reality. Jews and Christian presuppose a God of Genesis exists. They suppose a God used some 'method' and intelligent order (just as he did with books, words, scriptures) to write nature. From there a person can suppose that there may first be some kind of order to be found in nature.. but also it might be found using 'methods' and may even reveal the 'handiwork' of God Himself. Hence the compulsion to science they pursued. Easy. Logical.
ElProximo 3 months ago
@OtakuViking If you want to talk logic then talk reality. Jews and Christian presuppose a God of Genesis exists. They suppose a God used some 'method' and intelligent order (just as he did with books, words, scriptures) to write nature. From there a person can suppose that there may first be some kind of order to be found in nature.. but also it might be found using 'methods' and may even reveal the 'handiwork' of God Himself. Hence the compulsion to science they pursued. Easy. Logical.
ElProximo 3 months ago
@ElProximo Christians as a whole has been against scientific research up until rather recently, now there are less who oppose it. But there was no compulsion to pursue science within the religious. Atleast Christians.
An ancient greek (Aristarchus) proposed that the earth was heliocentric, yet what happened to that theory? Galileo's discoveries were hidden for a very long time by the church and greatly retarded astronomy. you can hardly claim that they had a compulsion to pursue science....
OtakuViking 3 months ago
@OtakuViking You live in a completely deluded dream of history and that is actually DISTURBING you have NO IDEA about the history of western culture. Downright SCARY to think you are alive and posting this and actually believe it.
The Modern Scientific Method is a Christian By-Product. It is from the Christian Church. The 'Founding Fathers' of the modern scientific method and lineage to you were CHRISTIAN MONKS, PRIESTS, and this includes High-Ranking Churchman Galileo. FFS READ ABOUT HISTORY!
ElProximo 3 months ago
@ElProximo What on earth are you talking about? Galileo was an Italian physicist, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher who got in trouble with the church for proposing the heliocentric model of the universe. He was in no way a churchman. It's true that he was supported by the church up until his release of the book which proposed the heliocentric theory and which appeared to attack the pope. The inquisition tried him and sentenced him to house arrest. (He recanted, which saved his life).
OtakuViking 3 months ago
@OtakuViking WOW! Even given google and wikipedia you STILL cannot comprehend this. Galileo - LIKE NEARLY ALL SCIENTISTS works for the Church. Like ALMOST ALL SCIENTISTS WHO FOUNDED MODERN SCIENCE - Galileo is a HIGH RANKING CHURCH OFFICIAL. Galileo is 'The Church'. He IS an elite member of the Church. He is not just 'clergy' he is VERY HIGH RANKING ELITE CLERGY.
He did not propose heliocentricism. He did not publish any facts or work to back it up either. Dissed boss. lived wealthy and rich.
ElProximo 3 months ago
@ElProximo Just go and read wikipedia or Galilei's books and you'll find out the truth. Our little internet exchange is now over. I find it pointless to continue further:)
OtakuViking 3 months ago
@OtakuViking No, what happened was that you stopped repeating a stupid fake story you made-up and embellished and finally did read the wikipedia page. You have never read a Galileo book in your entire life. You didn't even know who he was 10 hours ago you moron. You found out I was right. You were corrected. No need for the annoying 'face saving' fake post. Just STFU and go sit down next time.
ElProximo 3 months ago
@ElProximo What happened was that I gave up trying to reason with you. Have you been educated? All schools in Denmark have to teach you about Galileo, so I'm not just making it up as I go along, as you seem to be doing ^_^
OtakuViking 3 months ago
@OtakuViking Yes, you are making it up as you go along. Had you bothered to read your history books or even the Wikipedia link you mentioned - you would know Galileo was a member of the Church, employed by the Church and was himself a 'Vatican Scientist and was so high-ranking he was a personal acquaintance of both Popes (not just his bosses) and this not to mention very wealthy from his high-ranking Church position.
ElProximo 3 months ago
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@OtakuViking WOW! Even given google and wikipedia you STILL cannot comprehend this. Galileo - LIKE NEARLY ALL SCIENTISTS works for the Church. Like ALMOST ALL SCIENTISTS WHO FOUNDED MODERN SCIENCE - Galileo is a HIGH RANKING CHURCH OFFICIAL. Galileo is 'The Church'. He IS an elite member of the Church. He is not just 'clergy' he is VERY HIGH RANKING ELITE CLERGY.
He did not propose heliocentricism. He did not publish any facts or work to back it up either. Dissed boss. lived wealthy and rich.
ElProximo 3 months ago
@ElProximo That being said, ad hominem doesn't really help either side, but I just pointed out that the pillars supporting the roof were non-existent. But let me quote Bertrand Russel for a moment:"When you are studying any matter or considering any philosophy, ask yourself only: what are the facts, and what is the truth that the facts bear out" In case of our argument, I'm looking for the fact of God's existence, which has yet to be proven. Thus it'll be quite impossible to reach a conclusion.
OtakuViking 3 months ago
Its so funny how people leave comments with the words that Hitchens uses to try and sound smart.
joseph941000able 4 months ago
6:20–53 lmao hitch is wasted
sonsofdon 4 months ago
@TheDkpritts Well, I could not disagree with you on that. : )
writersblock26 5 months ago
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writersblock26 5 months ago
@luyben12 There are just as many atheists who do good deeds, and fewer who do ill ones.
OdinLowe 5 months ago
Dennis Miller, the inventer of the fake laugh!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 5 months ago
wow miller can actualy talk without O'Reileys hand up his butt.
AisAbsolute 6 months ago
@AisAbsolute Good won!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 5 months ago
Always listen to the content of what a person says. Some can use thousands of words that fundamentally amount to a tautology - it is what it is. Dennis Miller is one of those people and as such should be ignored.
visigrog 6 months ago
oh please, Tenet probably sent those patsys to flight school, to help cover up the 9/11 computer graphics inside job. The proof is in on computer graphics manipulation of what we saw as live tv on 9/11. Check out my favorites for more info. INVESTIGATE. ACT.
beastshawnee 6 months ago
@beastshawnee CG's? What clips?
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 5 months ago
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE Yes, there are computer graphics in the 9/11 footage. The proof is there for all to see. The video is manipulated as to the geographical content (bridges too close, and moving), and as to many other things, the sky is darkened, and colored pastel colors, the "planes" themselves have been proven to be graphics, There is one channel that showed no planes at all striking. There were fly-by planes and planted explosives. Lots of other CGI stuff. Look it up. INVESTIGATE. ACT.
beastshawnee 5 months ago
@TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE Even some of the victims pictures have been created graphically, by programs designed to put features together. The proof of this is at the Memorial sites. There are 2 memorial sites, and the photographs are different, but almost the same. For example, one picture of lets say Joe, has Joe wearing a dark suit and his hair is messy, but the exact same face at the exact same angle and lighting has Joe looking fuzzy and wearing a sweat suit. Look up Victim Simulations.
beastshawnee 5 months ago
Ha ha ha, what a milquetoast Miller is here. Now a FOX sellout with a big brave mouth as OReilly's lapdog, and nobody to call him on his moronic (and for years unfunny) BS, in this revealing 10 minutes we see him with his tail between his legs. Faced with a true intellect, logician, and great orator like Hitchens, he's a cowardly chump. Listen to the little boy ramp up starting at 6:00 to his weaselly half-hearted point about religious believers vis a vis the atheist, where's the bravado now?
MyMomSaysSo 6 months ago
If they are Muslim they say your under physical harm because you dont respect our Prophet? WHAT A FRAUD AND LIAR. There have been MANY people who havent liked Muhammad (S) and written books about how he is one thing or another VERY FEW have been attacked or killed as a result by a few crazies. There is no suck command in Islam to kill someone for not agreeing with Muhammad (S). So Hitch if u wanna blame a MUSLIM then fine but to blame the faith YOUR WRONG. That's if thats what you're saying.
Promisedone82 6 months ago
Even if their was a god who would worship him considering the state of the world caused by those who worship god. (Inserts Epicurean paradox)
iamborat100 6 months ago
No human being would ever condemn one of their children to Hell no matter what they did. As God's love is far greater than human love, why would He? And I am a Christian.
JeffersonDinedAlone 7 months ago
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paginipro 8 months ago
Hitchens for president
napalmsunrise83 8 months ago
TENNET spelling his name backwards as a disquise. ;)
dilwich123 8 months ago
GREAT DIALOGUE BETWEEN 2 SMART GUYS TOTALLY RUINED BY THE VIDEO STILLS
reverendrevb 9 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is the ULTIMATE SHOCK JOCK!!!!!! I love him. More crass than Howard Stern, more British than Noam, more convincing than Rush Limbaugh, more obnoxious than Bill O'Reilly, more captivating than any televangelist & less of a flamer than Anderson Cooper!
Everyone gets BULLIED, all of his opponents go down! Even if he gets cornered he can command his superior articulation to TWIST scientific evidence & come roaring back! - Long live the Hitchslap!
Idahoprospector 9 months ago
whats up with all this arm chair atheist faggotry (pictures).
this is why people think you kids are pathetic.
Duckshmm 9 months ago
@Duckshmm what people? peasants like you?
hekoka 8 months ago
@hekoka
the fucking majority of Americans maybe!? peasants? what are you some caste system "born with rights" cunt?
Duckshmm 8 months ago
@Duckshmm If what you say is actually correct, then the majority of America suffers from extreme delusion.
OdinLowe 8 months ago
@OdinLowe
how is disliking pretentious high school kids a delusion? ohhhh maybe you're implying that the majority believes in a god? The delusion is on the one that believes in anything certain. Agnosticism: 1 everyone else: -1.
If you decide to Sherlock what happens when you die go ahead, it will be fruitless, but if it gets you kicks and giggles, than go ahead. Whatever you end up beleiving will be a delusion. so give people a break on what they believe. they are equally as dumb as you.
Duckshmm 8 months ago
@Duckshmm
Atheists like myself do not assert that there is definitely no god, only that there has never been any evidence to indicate it; I would also say that as for myself, I don't believe that there is anything especially charitable or good in allowing people to mislead themselves because of dogma they have been indoctrinated with.
OdinLowe 8 months ago 31
@OdinLowe It's misleading to give people hope? hope for the hopeless is wrong? If you're and atheist then what do you have to be offended by? the idea that no believers burn? I guess your non-beliefs in this topic really frighten you, especially about hell. pshhh
I dont see how their belief is misleading and problem causing....really i dont. keep it out of schools and everyone's happy (which the majority of schools keep creationism out anyways except the bible belt).
new atheists=ridiculous
Duckshmm 8 months ago
@Duckshmm It's called false hope and it's offensive, mind numbing and sickening. Just what the fuck are you hoping for exactly? Hope is everywhere (take for example; scientific research to cure diseases), and it has NOTHING to do with God. We don't need God (the idea of God, I should say). Keep on believing in the mystical sky fairy, if it really gives you "hope". You don't deserve good things.
rexasul 7 months ago
@Duckshmm You're dumb, just go read your book.
napalmpoet420 7 months ago
@OdinLowe have you looked up what the definition of atheism is? i ask because it is not what you describe yourself as. In reality, it sounds more like agnosticism, and more specifically you are more than likely and agnostic theist.
Eninety2 3 months ago
@Eninety2 Not true; an Agnostic believes we don't have sufficient knowledge(and may never have it), but atheism comes from a lack of belief. Everyone who has a rational mind cannot disprove say, the existence of fairies or demons or a teapot orbiting the sun. Therefore I am TECHNICALLY agnostic on these propositions, but it's so completely unlikely that I don't believe in them; there's no evidence for them. The same holds true for religion
OdinLowe 3 months ago
@OdinLowe I think the name you are (or should be) using to describe your position is "agnostic."
dantean 3 months ago
@dantean
I think you are a mistaken, or you're a fool. I'm positive there's no god, but I know there isn't sufficient evidence to say definitely, which is why I won't do what the religious do and say I KNOW. That doesn't mean that I'm not 99.9999999% positive I'm right. but I simply lack the audacity to make a claim without presenting adequate evidence; although all available evidence does favor my position.
OdinLowe 3 months ago
@OdinLowe I hardly need it pointed out 2 me that I'm a fool, but maintain that what YOU need do is consult a dictionary. An atheist maintains that s/he KNOWS there is no god, while an agnostic says they have been shown no evidence that there's such a thing as god--which is not the same thing and which is what you seem to keep repeating while calling it "atheism." Believe me, I'm a much bigger fool than you could ever hope to be but am possessed of the wisdom to consult a dictionary on occasion.
dantean 3 months ago
@dantean I've already said this, but atheism is about a lack of belief, and agnosticism is a lack of knowledge; I don't have belief, and I don't think there will ever be conclusive proof that there is no god, so I'm probably an agnostic atheist, as one might say... The two things are not mutually exclusive but they don't depend on each other either
OdinLowe 3 months ago
@OdinLowe Agnosticism is the belief that there may or may not be a deity. It is the neutral zone, the middle ground, between the two. They do not take a stand on anything. Agnostic atheism is that you do not feel that anyone can know if a deity does or does not exist, but -you- feel that a deity does not exist.
xy2z1997 1 month ago
@OdinLowe Why not? The evidence clearly supports that people that believe in God report having more meaning in their live and report greater satisfaction than those that don't. It's important to note that you are making two statements. Being an Atheists is a scientific statement; stating that you don't "believe" there is anything . . .good [by believing in religion] is. As is your statement that indoctrination is the cause of religion. The weight of evidence is against those statements.
cdog4100 1 month ago
@cdog4100 cdog4100 3 days ago: "@OdinLowe Why not? The evidence clearly supports that people that believe in God report having more meaning in their live and report greater satisfaction than those that don't." Utterly and completely false. "Meaning in their lives"? Honestly? That is completely your opinion, not fact. Also, greater satisfaction? Their satisfaction is completely affirmed by themselves and their religious figures. Hence, their satisfaction is relatively discounted.
xy2z1997 1 month ago
@xy2z1997 A bit of education to soothe your aching ignorance. "Religiousness/Spirituality and Health: A Meaning Systems Perspective," Crystal Park, J Behav Med (2007) 30:319–328.
You should not write on things you do not know. Also, I will not discount a person's well being merely because it derived from self-affirmation. I think everyone has the right to pursue happiness by whatever means, as long as it does not harm others.
cdog4100 1 month ago
@OdinLowe Sorry . . .being an Atheists is not a scientific claim.
cdog4100 1 month ago
@Duckshmm yep
alacarteblanche 7 months ago
@Duckshmm
Agnosticism is within the umbrella of atheism. remember that atheism is simly a(a lack of) theism(the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation)... and as such agnosticism is really a rather redundant temr. just saying.
OdinLowe 5 months ago
@OdinLowe
redundant maybe in the sense if you completely distort the meaning of agnosticism. An agnostic neither doubts or credits the belief in a god. Denying God is impossible and or claiming that you for sure know there is a God is impossible (except perhaps to the individual).
Clumping in in with atheism is like clumping deists with Christians.... which are totally different beliefs systems completely. Doubt is a character of every belief or disbelif. you cant monpolize it for atheists
Duckshmm 5 months ago
@Duckshmm
"Clumping in in with atheism is like clumping deists with Christians"
- no, Your currently spouting an incorrect definition of agnosticism.
Agnosticism refers to a state of being without KNOWLEDGE of whether a god exists while atheism/theism refers to positions of BELIEF.
The term atheist and agnostic are NOT mutually exclusive, infact most atheists tend to be agnostic.
types10000 5 months ago
0:30-0:31
"My dear, how nice to hear from you again."
Wow, I think Christopher Hitchens could flatter the straightest guy in the world.
writersblock26 9 months ago 17
Dennis Miller is a fucking douche-bag...but Hitch is the man.
treid100182 9 months ago
I'M FROM ARKANSAS!!! XD!!!
Superwolf1337 9 months ago
What Happened To Dennis Miller?
liquidfreak 10 months ago
@liquidfreak he's a corporate media tool....as we speak he's sucking the boss's dick. He started off with something good, and ended with with being a complete tool. 0 respect for the prick.
mihaimoldo 8 months ago
@liquidfreak He's a FOx sellout and OReilly's lapdog, like the other clown Gerry Rivers (aka Geraldo). Miller lost the wit, now just a twit. Can't stand the pantywaist
MyMomSaysSo 6 months ago
I think there is a god but I don't believe in it. The religions of the world have caused tremendous destruction and its the phoneyist way to live. Its the belief that destroys people. Still yet it is clear to me that there is a God. Not the god of man. Not the God created by man. To believe in God is to worship your own ego.
DoogMcKracken 10 months ago
@DoogMcKracken If you think there is a god, then you must believe in a God. belief in it's most basic form can be defined as "excepting that a statement is true". What you said is like me stating "I think that evolution happened, but I don't believe in it" that's just illogical. As the definition states, you can't except that something is true, but not believe in it.
LucyInk121 9 months ago
@ 6:15
*Johnny Walker black label.*
farnium 11 months ago
Let me state for the record. Dennis Miller is a douche. A smarmy arrogant unfunny douche bag. Dennis should go fuck himself.
assemblyguy 11 months ago
@assemblyguy What? Miller an unfunny douch bag? What an insult to douche bags. And he's so unfunny, it ain't even funny! He wasn't horrible on Sat.Nite.Live, but since then, the only one laughing at his shtick, is he himself.
Loejyrrab 10 months ago
@assemblyguy- well even funnier about this video is... Miller says... People are afraid now and everyone goes to their own comfort as in their belief in God @ 6:15.
Well that almost sounds like saying people CLING to their BIBLES. And just throw in there Guns, you get Clinging to their Guns and Bible as Obama said, which is TRUE about many of these evangelicals.
So Miller who I'm sure criticized Obama for saying that, is HERE pretty much saying the same thing.
Total A-HOLE!
stone34 10 months ago
Foamulator, you're a complete idiot. You are the reason liberal atheists are on average more intelligent than conservatives. Look it up. PS Jesus was liberal. Just saying. Stick that in your bible and thump it.
rightnearthebeachboy 11 months ago
They chuckle through their poking fun of George Tenant (sic) but what about the real howler of these two lads championing aggression as it meant something to stand up agianst the Mushian invasion of Iraq in 2002. Both were propagandists and went to the bank on it - thank you very much - as Hitch might say. Yes, so, let's chcukle away Dennis Killer and Brother - it is right for Americans to take bullets for Israel and Kurds - Hitch. Yuck yuck lads!
Tippersnore 11 months ago
@Tippersnore
While I am..on the fence about whether or not we should have went into Iraq I do admire people like Hitchens whose stated purpose was essientally humanitarian. Saddam was a terrible, brutal dictator that butchered his own people and whether or not it was a wise decision to invade Iraq I do think that, strictly on a humanitarian level it was more than justified.
Your other comment about Americans taking bullets for peope of other countries shows to me a rather disturbing (cont)
Pervyable 10 months ago
@Tippersnore
sentiment of selfishness. While I think that the division of having autonomous countries is a practical neccesity it doesn't change the fact that people, by in large, are the same at the most basic level and deserve the same rights. These were being undermind constantly by Sadaam and his regime and the Kurds in some ways felt the brunt of it the most. How do you think you would feel in that situation? Would you want people from another country to intervene and protect you in such
Pervyable 10 months ago
@Pervyable So you're on a fence re:Iraq.The Brit.Med.Journal Lancet published in 2005 a peer reviewed study of Iraq war related deaths.The study was conducted by Johns Hopkins School of Pub.Health,world renowned in these types of studies.They estimated as of 2005-6, that 650K Iraqis died as a direct result of our invasion.Updated # is 1.3 mil.That's a WAR CRIME!Hussein had 0 to do with 9/11 & have you noticed that the killing still goes on everyday in Iraq.Get off the fence already Pervy.
Loejyrrab 10 months ago
@Tippersnore
an extreme situation? Or would you rather they sit on their hands and do nothing about it because its not them or their citizens that are in trouble?
Pervyable 10 months ago
Rush Limbaugh FTW!
loganchamp 11 months ago
Who the fuck is Alberto? -No offense to any semi-anonymous Alberto's who happen to view the video.-
imshippyupup 11 months ago
George Carlin was a total loser. He found a niche being a " liberal" comedian, but most libtards are lazy, lawsuit slinging, black people who just want to raise tax rates so they can live off the producers in society, and milk the people who actually produce something besides welfare stamps. He always ended up being a traitor to the country that made him rich, and left most people embarassed. I think I have made my point by showing your reflection, one of a racist moron on YT
foamulator 11 months ago
@foamulator Tobacco chewing, gun lusting, wife beating, racist ass, brainwashed bible thumpers are what the founding fathers had in mind. lets be total dicks and cut taxes, lets starve the poor, forget compassion lets make it so all the semi-retarded people end up homeless and hungry till they end up robbing our grandparents in the park out of desperation. We should give them nothing, they are milking us for ramen and hot dogs, how dare they! ...you do realize you sound like that right? fuck you
HackNinja420 11 months ago
@HackNinja420 You misunderstand. That was not me. I was giving him a look into the mirror. Why dont you mind your own business.
foamulator 11 months ago
@foamulator I see... taking your post at face value i was doing the EXACT same "look in the mirror" post.
After reading the post you were doing a reflection on i see that the circle was completed. In my defense your post did not begin with @allthegoodnamzWerTkn. The person you attempted to enlighten did not even see it, when posting a reply its best to highlight the post you are responding to and hit reply. I apologise for the confusion all the same and i retract my "fuck you" comment :)
HackNinja420 11 months ago
@HackNinja420 Good Point. I sometimes forget to hit the" reply". lol All is well
foamulator 11 months ago
Dennis Miller is pathetic. He has found a niche being a "conservative" comedian, but most conservatives are stiff, business-owning white people who just want to lower tax rates for themselves and manipulate the working class . He ends up being unfunny, and boring the average comedy enthusiast. This is not a guy who's following in the footsteps of people like George Carlin. I think George Carlin would hate his guts.
AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn 11 months ago
Dennis Miller sucks.
rich2rock 1 year ago
"Jesus was very angry about last weeks collection" ! That about says it all! The son of the almighty creator of course needs more of your money! And the brainwashed, uneducated, unwashed obese american masses will of course blindly oblige for fear of never getting on that comfy cloud with said space daddy and company... What's more evil than forcing children to believe the same garbage you were forced to believe? It just goes to show how weak the evidence is for gods' existence...
V45Rider 1 year ago
He's pissed off because he can't get a condom? Or he's not happy with the progress China is making in stem cell research? Or he's offended because the leader of the former Soviet Union wears a cross? Or he thinks newspapers should do as he says? Few educated people believe the moaning of a hungover alcoholic is erudite.
matt605 1 year ago
What an idiot -- CIA Directors are fired, not impeached. But it doesn't surprise me that Hitchens has an opinion on something he knows nothing about.
matt605 1 year ago
Another one of you Religion Haters just killed 6 innocent people and almost killed his own US Congressman because he had more moral compass, no Moral Authority. When will you losers let us have a civilization here. You're getting as bad as the Muslims.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes Getting as bad as the muslims? You mean, that religious group who claim to have "Moral Authority" just like christians?
Speaking of which, don't christians have a differering opinion on which bits of "Moral Authority" to cherry pick out of the bible? Hence why christianity has gone from "slavery is gud coz da bible says so" to "where does the bible support slavery? oh no that's a misinterpretation"
Guess what - this happens because morality does NOT come from a god or his magic book
Dahvood 1 year ago
@Dahvood Religion Haters think all religion is the same. Can't spot good religion from bad. If your prophet is screwing 9 year old girls and sucking their tongues, that's a bad religion. Slavery is Christianity's weakest/softest spot on underbelly. One story in Bible (Philemon) addresses slavery. Slave escapes (against law), converts to Christianity, St Paul sends note back to owner asking permission to keep him "on staff" if he will allow. If not, he is sent back. THAT'S all You got?!
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes okay, we'll ignore Leviticus where it discusses how its okay to buy slaves from neighbouring countries, and how these slaves can be inherited by your children (Leviticus 25:44-46)
We'll ignore Exodus where it discusses how long you may own a hebrew slave, and the means by which you can make him yours forever - by abusing his love for this wife (Exodus 21:2-6)
We'll ignore Ephesians where it instructs slaves to obey their masters as they would Jesus. (Ephesians 6:5)
I can keep going
Dahvood 1 year ago
@Dahvood Can you? Please.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes Exodus 21:20-21 where it discusses the degree one may beat his slave with a rod and how he can get away with it
(1 Timothy 6:1-2) - If a slave is a christian working for a christian, he should serve him better.
On what basis do you not agree with these 'teachings'?
Dahvood 1 year ago
@Dahvood OK, Morning. Christianity is prepare-spirit-for-eternity religion. Is not, bring-heaven-to-earth religion. (For contrast, Islam is all about changing earthly social order) Many, Many people have tried and continue to try this. Christianity had absolutely no earthly authority at start, was persecuted for 300 years. (For contrast, Islam had, through violence, overtaken all Middle East and Northern coast of Africa and was moving into Spain less than 70 years after Mohammad's death)...
fdzwes 1 year ago
Christ did not come to overthrow physically ie, Kick out Roman Government; he comes to overthrow spiritually ie change man's hearts. Having a changed heart is what prepares people for eternity. So, no, Slavery is not good, not Christian, but what is weak persecuted religion to do? Authentic Christianity has always had tension with Slavery practice, with many many practices on earth, but does not focus on changing law, but changing heart. Pretty good religion. Better than nothing!
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes Heh, this is turning into a topic I want to write an essay on.
If the bible said "there should be no slavery" then I would agree with your point on spiritual vs real world. However, it doesn't even say "slavery is bad". Aside from that, it explicitly describes how to immorally treat slaves.
Dahvood 1 year ago
@Dahvood I think Israel treatment of slaves is reasonable considering Pedagogy Argument. In OT Bible times no debtor's prison. Servitude (Slavery) instead. In NT Bible times now we see debtor's prison. Parables liken eternal punishment for sin as debtor's prison (Catholics say analogy for Purgatory. Not a fan) Roman slavery similar to Jewish servitude but more brutal.
Notice, no Slavery in Israel now. None in USA. In Muslim paradises? YES. True religion develops. Not Cults.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes I'd point out that debt isn't the only means that one ends up a slave. Chance of birth, spoils of war and simple kidnap come to mind. As such, your parable isn't entirely just.
The bible was also used as a justification for slavery as late as the 19th century. I understand your underlying point, but I don't entirely buy it.
Dahvood 1 year ago
@fdzwes As to the pedagogy argument in general, I think we're at a point where we're going to simply disagree. I do agree that Christianity has changed over the years, and mostly for the better. You might like to attribute this to an increased understanding of the bible, I would attribute it to an increased influence of secular ideas on peoples interpretation of the bible. I would thus argue that we have generally become more moral people despite the teaching of the bible.
Dahvood 1 year ago