#4 Anonymous & Boris Korczak Ad Hoc Talk with Scientologist David Aden

[stakoko1975]

i wonder is he still in "church"?

[jtkalehua]

This guy was actually respectful and didn't resort to immature and insulting tactics that most scienfucks resort.

[listensecure]

@ 1:50 the guy in the red phrased everything perfectly.

[Nades129]

avoiding the question....

[jdtrickster4]

He avoids the 1st question about a church collecting intel & APPLIES the $cn POLICY of "Always attack, never defend." He answers this good ? with a question about Anon illegal activities. FAIL!

I'm personally fed up with their blindness & I feel they need to be "bypassed" (which is a policy of theirs when a situation is in danger) & measures need to be taken to stop the abuses & crimes within the org. without resorting to any member. Go to the source, in other wds. Jail the persons responsible.

[anon7724]

Of course he does not have an awnser they never do.

[newbetterandhappy]

Of course Scientology finds truth, honesty, communication and education threatening. That is the true threat to them.

[memama2]

go thru 40,000 videos and see the kindness and patience and non-threatening ways of Anonymous.....then the $ci cult makes these claims of "threats"; and the only threat is from the ugly $ci at PlymouthScientology havng Start Wyatt charged that his handicapped cart was used in an assault when this cultist placed her feet under the cart on tape to get this charge!! it is also claimed that the group had the $ci cults yell peoples names, when they have been masked to show their "over 9000 powers!"

[Abercr0mbie4life]

"and he knows probably less about anything having to do with anything here than anybody else"...do I sense a prejudice here? Kinda silly to say to an ex-CIA operative.

[Bkorczak]

I would like to get this information about the Co$ procurring the threat to blame Anons.

Stay safe.

BK

[Azure260]

I know for a fact that at least one of the bomb threats that they say that they received, was sent by a Scientologist, to a Scientology Organization, with the intention of sending an innocent anon person to prison for many years.

[phasis]

You asked a legitimate question about PIs--he very neatly turned the tables on you and put you on the defensive. You answered his questions rather than he answering your questions.

You have to learn to be aware of this while it is happening.

Ask him: where does he get his data about "anonymous threats."

imo--you TOTALLY blew that part of the conversation.

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

he doesn't know, because the PR division of the church doesn't let him know yet, till they have a PR line.  more garbage in for him.

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

always answering a question with a question and avoiding answering in fact, and then attacking & invalidating what the questioner asks.

[assistanon]

Boris is one of my IRL heroes! <3

I feel sorry for the scilon being interviewed in this video. It is apparent that he is fed information vs being allowed to freely research and look at for himself. It saddens me that some scilons have trouble opening their critical thinking abilities to actually see what the Co$ is doing. This (and many other reasons) is why we must continue the protests.

[Bkorczak]

What have we achieved is that it opened a possibility for this Scientologist to do research and find the truth about Co$. If we can do it with one person perhaps we can do it to many. I have a feeling the Scientologists at large have no idea what Co$ is really like.

Stay safe.

BK

[Ironhead097]

Ironic how his feelings on psychiatry are not at all dissimilar to how the protesters feel about scientology, the gentleman can not allow himself to view the church in that light though...it would be difficult to do so after investing 30 some years of your life into such a thing I suppose, but his eyes could be opened. I wonder how he feels about how the catholic church addressed and apologised for abuses that occured in their organization,while scientology simply dismisses their abuses as lies

[Bkorczak]

"Tommy" - the Scientologist is really David Aden.Chief Technology Officer for Webworld Technologies, a Virginia-based web application development. Currently, - senior architect of Enterprise Architecture with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC).

Stay safe.

BK

[MrFyde]

Big drug companies have the monopoly on mental health? Who has the monopoly on Scientology ? (not to mention psychs are each a small business)

And do you really think he is going to "dig much below the surface" in regard to the fruad case in france?

Please ask him if possible if he has ever been coaxed into buying anything he felt he did not need or felt that he didn't get what he paid for.

[primorec]

Boris,

"Tommy" is (was) right. You were monopolizing the discussion. Whenever "Tommy" answered to your questions (or accusation) with some data for which you did not have the 'contra' argument, you did change the subject. Whenever 'other' anonymous asked very well articulated question, you started talking about you and your CIA experience and how important you've been in the past by saying "type B.Korzcak on GOOGLE" and learn about me. This is irrelevant. You are promoting just yourself.

[Bkorczak]

Hi Primorec,

This is Rob, Boris' son replying. You might not be aware of this but I work with my dad in a coordinated effort. In other words I will often ask a question fully expecting my dad to step on my question. It's a technique that has worked for us in the past in other unrelated situations and so we used it here too.

If you noticed, the other Anon's who asked questions were not interupted, only I was interupted and it was by design.

Cheers,

Rob

[exfalsoquodlibet]

And what do you hope to achieve with this technique??

[cloak616]

exfal: I'll take a stab at this one. It may be an interrogation technique to determine if the person is lying. After a while the person will start giving verbal cues that would help detect deceptive behaviour.

Or it could be 'good cop bad cop' wherein Boris plays the crazy guy and Rob the sane one. This makes David WANT to answer Rob just to get back at Boris for being a conversation hog.

It's interesting whatever it is. Boris/Rob any further comments on this?

[Bkorczak]

Hi, Rob here again. If you want to achieve something in a conversation with someone who is "programmed" it's important to keep them slightly off balance. If a person gets slightly irritated or anoyed they tend to let their defences down and start to shoot from the hip rather then repeating the party line.

Cheers,

Rob

[cloak616]

Nice channel btw.

[primorec]

OK but it did not work. 'Tommy' was better in the 'face_2_face' debate. Sorry :(  You need to change your 'design'.

[Bkorczak]

Actually it did work to a small extent. He gave a couple of answers to a couple of Roberts questions that didn't fit into the Scientology mold. That is a good start and had we had more video tape we could have continued the conversation and seen where it would have gone. Some things take time and we didn't have as much time as we would have liked.

I look forward to speaking with David next time. I will adapt my conversation at that time depending on his approach.

Stay safe.

BK

[Bkorczak]

primorec, just an addendum to what I said. The important thing to do is to keep trying different methods untill you hit on one that works for that particular person.

Scientologist have a tech that they adhere to so they are playing similair mind games with us as Robert and I attempted on him. You never win unless you try different things.

Stay safe.

BK

[FreedomToResearch]

How is something so simple to understand so difficult for him to understand. How is scientology so difficult for him to explain when it's so easy for everyone else to understand. Seems like scientology makes you stupid. Don't do $cientology!

[MsKittieReed]

Someone has GOT to bring a laptop to one of these protests. If you can get that guy to be that open, have him sit down, ask him what he considers to be a credible source to find information from, and show him what they have to say about Scientology. If they want proof, we should bring it to them.

Thank you for the videos, Boris, this was really interesting to watch. Well done, sir!!

[cloak616]

I found this series of vids very uncomfortable to watch. I don't know why. Maybe it is because 'Tommy' kept referring to himself as "just a Scientologist" and claiming not to know anything and yet...

Thnx Boris and I think that's R behind the cam right? Thnx to you too. And wtf, thnx 'Tommy' for spending time with Anon (you're still a dipshit though).

[Bkorczak]

I am grateful to David the Scientologist for comming out and talk. I hope we opened his mind and being an intelligent person he will start researching Co$. I don't think he knows the misdeeds of his "church".

Rob was a cameraman and a great one too.

Stay safe.

BK

[voxman77]

Well done sir. This is the first video I have seen so far where there was an actual dialogue with the opposition as opposed to what $cientologists usually resort to....blank stares and endless filming/photography.

[Bkorczak]

Personally I think the Scientologists are not really evil. They are just removed from the real world and crippled to such an extend that they can not function among the normal society. Co$ management is evil for doing it to their members. I admire those who had currage to leave the cult and be free.

Stay safe.

BK

[SidneyBaker]

Beautifully put, although I also believe that higher-ups are corrupt, while all others know nothing.

Also, they called anonymous "demons from hell"

As a bystander, that seems far-fetched.

I have nothing against the CoS though, they have never messed with me.

[airborne373]

Scientologist are sooo evil. This scientologist is bringing up a false argument acting like a victim when they are the victimizers. Pure evil.