LoL ! So funny that these people consider only the violent caractere of Israël and not from the Palestinians. Like if Hammas was an angel. We are not living with the Barbapapa as neighbours!!!
@KyoNingyo That's a real joke. Liars, murderers, thieves, are going to bring healing, and from what planet are you from? Arabs have always been a murderous, tribal people, their own history reveals their character. Nice try doesn't work. Now I must go and will not waste any more time.
Arab people are no different than others. You think the land west of Jordan was vacant for Moses and Joshua? How many Canaanites needed to be slaughtered to make room for the Tribes of Israel? The word [canaan] in Hebrew simply means merchant and the Cannonites spoke a semitic language called Aramaic similar to the Aramaic spoken in nearby Byblos, Tyre, Sidon. The land of Cannon was occupied with at least 500,000 Amorites Canaanites, Egyptians, Hittites, and Perizzites.
When Joshua invaded and slaughtered the Cannonites, he explained this mass murder saying Canaanites, are derived from Ham's incestuous relationship with Naamah the sister of Tubalcain, the wife Noah took with him in the Ark (Genesis 9:18-27; 10:6, 15-19). Isaac the son of Abraham and Abraham’s half sister Sarah, is one of three patriarchs of the Israelites. You should listen to the words of the Gospels and stop being so judgemental. Someday you may be judged as harsh.
@eastariel Peace will only come, when the Messiah returns and saves His people from the destruction that her enemies will try to assail her with. When ALL nations and peoples who come against Israel are destroyed, then and only then will there be Peace and true justice for a thousand years.
wed hate to admit were back to the ignorance of the civil rights 50's and that what happened already happened and that we werent responsible for it. But are we gonna do the same again while its happening in our time? nah we can turn our face away and not admit it. and instead say this is an "unreasonable act" of a "select few"
@knutgordon If you were able to study history (instead of believing corporate American bullcrap like Fox, that lame ass Wilders and the like) you'd know a lot of stories of Israel are nothing but myths. The biggest myth of them all is that it can be considered 'western culture'. If Israel is 'western culture' I'd never wanna consider myself 'western' again. No, arabs are no saints either, but I'd resist anyone who invaded my country too (In fact, my family actively resisted the Germans. Yours?)
What is considered "western culture"? Secular state functions? A liberal democracy? Equal rights for all citizens? Gender equality? Freedom of press and religion? Social, economic, technological and industrial development? High human development ranking? Israel is no means perfect in these matters, but is beyond rational doubt rather well off compared to the rest of the region.
Please make sure you count the 150 BILLION dollars Israel received since 1948 and military aid above that. I’m mortified that Jews who were once the victims of genocide could shroud themselves in the mantel of victimhood and perpetrate atrocities upon another weaker group. Zionism treats Arabs worse than Nazis treated Jews
Palestinians in the West Bank are routinely denied permits to go to Jerusalem. Some of them were actually born in East Jerusalem and are unable to VISIT the city of their births. Professors at Birzeit University are routinely denied permits. I know a history student in Bethlehem who couldn't finish her doctoral dissertation because the texts she needed were in Jerusalem and she was denied a permit. (Anyone remember the "pass laws" in South Africa?)
If 20% of the population of Israel is Palestinian, are 20% of settlers in "Israeli Settlements" in the West Bank Palestinian? No? What are the Israeli Settlements but Jewish-only colonies? Never call them Israeli Settlements. They are intended to be the vanguard of a Palestinian-rein Israel and a Palestinian-rein Palestine, the final solution. The Freedom Riders are a new chapter to reverse the ethnic cleansing, theft and legalized violence.
You can not compare this at all with Martin Luther King, what a disgrace, it's not the same. West Bank and East Jerusalem is not "occupied" territory, it belongs, and has always been Israels land. Present all the facts not just your prejudiced, and biased so-called opinion.
Of course not, is just a cheap PR stunt shamelessly raping Rosa Parks memory. They point to the racist regulation of not being able to enter into Israel illegally. The horror! These guys pointed out regulation of freedom of movement that they see as unfair while hiding the reasons for that such security measures are in place.
Israel has no law barring Palestinians from its public transport in the West Bank, and certainly not one dictating what end of the bus they must sit. There are restrictions on the freedom of movement of Palestinians in the West Bank due to security concerns, which includes access to Israeli settlements there is nothing to stop Palestinians from riding Israeli buses within the West Bank and from continuing their journeys into Jerusalem if they have a permit to do so.
You don't get it, there are no regulations of segregation, These fellows tried to enter into Israel from the West Bank and that's why they were arrested, If they would have entered Israel with permits, they could ride any bus they wanted. it might make for a nervous ride for the rest of the passengers, but that's pretty much it. Palestinians apparently successfully make the security regulations they self have sculptured by years of terror appear as they are segregation laws,
More like in 99 fixed checkpoints, 37 of them along the border to Israel. If the IDF did not have to check each and every bag and parcel for bombs and weapons, there would be much need of checkpoints there . Numerous attacks has led to the evolution of today's numerous number of checkpoints . So, if the Pals want to travel with ease, the solution is simple. if they stop being murderers and terrorists, they will see the number of roadblocks and checkpoints decreased significantly.
@knutgordon Firstly: the avid murderers and (state) terrorists are the Israeli's. If you did learn your lesson well, you would know (for instance) last decade jewish troops killed significally more than jews were being killed by others. Israel has become a paria state, based on killing, ethnicide, terrorism, economic destruction, house demolition and (above all) stealing of land.
To me, the difference between the Israeli and the Palestinian warfare is quite huge: One part acts civilized even though they kill, the other acts savagery, and not only because they kill. Anytime you try to explain the rather fundamental differences between the 2 side’s agenda, methods and behavior, the 2 public perceptions and support of acts of terrorism………………
………………..the 2 public opinions and the proportion and support of extremists in each side. Etc -There's always someone to scream bloody murders and show a picture of a toddler in a pool of his own blood or of whatever other horror irregular warfare in densely populated areas causes.
As for the charges of discrimination and segregation, This is an insult to the memory of the US civil rights movement. Rosa Park & Co did not have a prior history of boarding public buses in order to blow them up or attack whites. These six Palestinians were able to board the Israeli bus like any other passenger and sit without fear of the Israeli passengers on the bus until they reached a security checkpoint. Most Israelis would avoid a Palestinian bus out of fear for their lives.
You know NOTHING of history and the Jewish faith. Some Arab families in Palestine date back to the times of King Richard the Lion Hearted, and the Great Muslim leader [Saladin] Salahu'd-Din. Until 1909, what you call the Biblical homeland of the Jews was a possession of the Ottoman Dynasty, ruled by the Sultan of Turkey, Abdul Hamid II. In fact and law Palestine was Abdul Hamid's land, along with most of the Middle East & East Europe
With revolution in the Ottoman Empire and the Great War, the British believed a rebellion of Arabs against Turks would enable England, while fighting Germany, simultaneously to defeat Turkey. Arab irregular forces under the command of Emir Faisal, [son of Sherif Hussein of Mecca] started extensive guerrilla operations against the Ottoman stronghold in Medina. This allowed Emir Faisal to attack Turkish supply lines and the Hejaz railway.
The British and the Bedouins convinced Auda abu Tayi and the Howeitat tribes along with irregular troops from a dozen other Al-Magharba tribes, to fight the Ottoman and secure lands for His Majesty’s Empire of Britannia. The lands that were once called Levant, Mesopotamia, Syria and others were payment from the British for Arab blood and treasure.
While Arabs were dying for His Majesty’s Empire, the Rothchild’s of London petitioned the British Foreign office for land in Palestine for a new Israel. This is why Palestine is called a land ‘twice promised’ but paid for only once, in Arab, Bedouin and Berber blood and life.
There you go you ignorant bastard, some real history.
@KyoNingyo That will NOT work on me, your fowl mouth, and your twisted logic. Israel has been Israel for THOUSANDS of years. Get YOUR history correct. Go take your twisted, lying truth elsewhere. Murder is within your heart, just like Hilter, there is NO difference between the two of you and anyone that supports your twisted truths.
I'm sure REAL history is lost on someone like you and you know nothing of the camps and the gulags. From the time of Moses to 1948. The Tribes of Israel ruled less than 400 years in total. Palestine was also conquered by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Mameluks, Ottomans and the British
@KyoNingyo No the real and True history is not lost on me. I know the truth. And what you don't understand is, that the land was TAKEN by force from the Israelites, some of it was a judgement passed by God, but it was NEVER to destroy them, but to chastise them, there is difference. Palestine did not exist at the time of being taken over by the Babylonians, it was two nations, Judah, and Israel, and up to the Roman period. That also was judgement by God.
Solomon’s Kingdom of Israel did not fall due to outside invasion; but from Solomon turning to idolatry and away from the One True and Almighty God. The division of the Israelite Kingdom into Judah and Israel took place after his death. Greeks have called this area Palestine from the 5th century BCE. The name Palestina takes hold from the Romans conquest of Jerusalem in 63 BC., mostly the territory of Syria, Samaria and the Galilee.
You mention God’s punishment and promise and you are correct. To atone for Solomon’s idolatry, the Kingdom of Israel fell and the tribes had to atone for sins from the time of Abraham until God’s advent of the Messiah. There can be no sovereign Israel until the Hebrew Messiah [identified by the Torah/Talmud] unites the tribes again. The Jews yearned for the promised deliverer from the house of David, born as a humble and ordinary man.
Who would free them from the yoke of Roman rule, and establish His own reign of peace and rule for the whole world. Israel has never been sent a Messiah and the Israel of today is not the Israel of Jewish law. International law recognizes Israel and this is not in dispute, but the time of God’s promise to reconstitute Israel, has not come.
I respect your faith but the Arab Palestinians suffer greatly
and simply seek justice. I hope someday you can see this.
@KyoNingyo Now God did promise their return to their land, God never forsakes a promise. The Lord also stated that Jerusalem and the nation of Israel was going to be troublesome to the rest of the world, and that is true to this day. God also states that any nations which desires to or tries to destroy Israel, and the Jews, would pay a price, they will be destroyed in totality during the Great Tribulation. God will not be mocked. And God is just, far more than you or me.
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lachmichweg 4 weeks ago
LoL ! So funny that these people consider only the violent caractere of Israël and not from the Palestinians. Like if Hammas was an angel. We are not living with the Barbapapa as neighbours!!!
atom1ck 3 months ago
@atom1ck
Hamas is the direct result of illegal occupation and continuous land
confiscation by Israel. Justice for Palestine will start the healing for all people
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@KyoNingyo That's a real joke. Liars, murderers, thieves, are going to bring healing, and from what planet are you from? Arabs have always been a murderous, tribal people, their own history reveals their character. Nice try doesn't work. Now I must go and will not waste any more time.
caltch51 2 months ago
@caltch51
1 of 2
Arab people are no different than others. You think the land west of Jordan was vacant for Moses and Joshua? How many Canaanites needed to be slaughtered to make room for the Tribes of Israel? The word [canaan] in Hebrew simply means merchant and the Cannonites spoke a semitic language called Aramaic similar to the Aramaic spoken in nearby Byblos, Tyre, Sidon. The land of Cannon was occupied with at least 500,000 Amorites Canaanites, Egyptians, Hittites, and Perizzites.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
2 of 2
When Joshua invaded and slaughtered the Cannonites, he explained this mass murder saying Canaanites, are derived from Ham's incestuous relationship with Naamah the sister of Tubalcain, the wife Noah took with him in the Ark (Genesis 9:18-27; 10:6, 15-19). Isaac the son of Abraham and Abraham’s half sister Sarah, is one of three patriarchs of the Israelites. You should listen to the words of the Gospels and stop being so judgemental. Someday you may be judged as harsh.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@KyoNingyo Nonsense!
caltch51 2 months ago
We shall live in peace
We shall live in peace
We shall live in peace someday.
Yay Jewish Voice for Peace!
eastariel 3 months ago 3
@eastariel Peace will only come, when the Messiah returns and saves His people from the destruction that her enemies will try to assail her with. When ALL nations and peoples who come against Israel are destroyed, then and only then will there be Peace and true justice for a thousand years.
caltch51 2 months ago
@eastariel
Thank you eastariel.
I think you are a person of peace also
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
wed hate to admit were back to the ignorance of the civil rights 50's and that what happened already happened and that we werent responsible for it. But are we gonna do the same again while its happening in our time? nah we can turn our face away and not admit it. and instead say this is an "unreasonable act" of a "select few"
loaded99percent 3 months ago
@knutgordon If you were able to study history (instead of believing corporate American bullcrap like Fox, that lame ass Wilders and the like) you'd know a lot of stories of Israel are nothing but myths. The biggest myth of them all is that it can be considered 'western culture'. If Israel is 'western culture' I'd never wanna consider myself 'western' again. No, arabs are no saints either, but I'd resist anyone who invaded my country too (In fact, my family actively resisted the Germans. Yours?)
antizionist38 3 months ago 2
@antizionist38
What is considered "western culture"? Secular state functions? A liberal democracy? Equal rights for all citizens? Gender equality? Freedom of press and religion? Social, economic, technological and industrial development? High human development ranking? Israel is no means perfect in these matters, but is beyond rational doubt rather well off compared to the rest of the region.
knutgordon 3 months ago
@knutgordon
Please make sure you count the 150 BILLION dollars Israel received since 1948 and military aid above that. I’m mortified that Jews who were once the victims of genocide could shroud themselves in the mantel of victimhood and perpetrate atrocities upon another weaker group. Zionism treats Arabs worse than Nazis treated Jews
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
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bernkroesen 3 months ago
cool thanks
cyberjltoo 3 months ago 2
Palestinians in the West Bank are routinely denied permits to go to Jerusalem. Some of them were actually born in East Jerusalem and are unable to VISIT the city of their births. Professors at Birzeit University are routinely denied permits. I know a history student in Bethlehem who couldn't finish her doctoral dissertation because the texts she needed were in Jerusalem and she was denied a permit. (Anyone remember the "pass laws" in South Africa?)
nancykric 3 months ago 2
VIVA PALESTINA
FUCKZIONISM666 3 months ago
If 20% of the population of Israel is Palestinian, are 20% of settlers in "Israeli Settlements" in the West Bank Palestinian? No? What are the Israeli Settlements but Jewish-only colonies? Never call them Israeli Settlements. They are intended to be the vanguard of a Palestinian-rein Israel and a Palestinian-rein Palestine, the final solution. The Freedom Riders are a new chapter to reverse the ethnic cleansing, theft and legalized violence.
honeskill 3 months ago 2
Fantastic action and fantastic video. Thanks for your nonviolent fight for freedom, peace, justice, equality. Shalom, salam.
anamdelmar 3 months ago 2
Fantastic! Freedom, dignity, and self-determination for the Palestinian people.
nancykric 3 months ago 2
You can not compare this at all with Martin Luther King, what a disgrace, it's not the same. West Bank and East Jerusalem is not "occupied" territory, it belongs, and has always been Israels land. Present all the facts not just your prejudiced, and biased so-called opinion.
caltch51 3 months ago
@caltch51 Are the buses segregated or not?
loewinful 3 months ago
@loewinful
Of course not, is just a cheap PR stunt shamelessly raping Rosa Parks memory. They point to the racist regulation of not being able to enter into Israel illegally. The horror! These guys pointed out regulation of freedom of movement that they see as unfair while hiding the reasons for that such security measures are in place.
knutgordon 3 months ago
@knutgordon every news report Ive seen has stated that the buses are segregated. Do you have any proof to the contrary?
loewinful 3 months ago
@loewinful
Israel has no law barring Palestinians from its public transport in the West Bank, and certainly not one dictating what end of the bus they must sit. There are restrictions on the freedom of movement of Palestinians in the West Bank due to security concerns, which includes access to Israeli settlements there is nothing to stop Palestinians from riding Israeli buses within the West Bank and from continuing their journeys into Jerusalem if they have a permit to do so.
knutgordon 3 months ago
@knutgordon
That's why have settler only roads! Israel is being outed as an apartheid state. Get real!
petersz98 3 months ago 2
@petersz98
You don't get it, there are no regulations of segregation, These fellows tried to enter into Israel from the West Bank and that's why they were arrested, If they would have entered Israel with permits, they could ride any bus they wanted. it might make for a nervous ride for the rest of the passengers, but that's pretty much it. Palestinians apparently successfully make the security regulations they self have sculptured by years of terror appear as they are segregation laws,
knutgordon 3 months ago
@knutgordon
550 checkpoints and 1000 kilometres of Jewish only roads = APARTHEID.
petersz98 3 months ago 2
@petersz98
More like in 99 fixed checkpoints, 37 of them along the border to Israel. If the IDF did not have to check each and every bag and parcel for bombs and weapons, there would be much need of checkpoints there . Numerous attacks has led to the evolution of today's numerous number of checkpoints . So, if the Pals want to travel with ease, the solution is simple. if they stop being murderers and terrorists, they will see the number of roadblocks and checkpoints decreased significantly.
knutgordon 3 months ago
@knutgordon
550 checkpoints not on Green Line.
petersz98 3 months ago
@petersz98
How many of these "checkpoints" are manned?
knutgordon 3 months ago
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antizionist38 3 months ago
@knutgordon Firstly: the avid murderers and (state) terrorists are the Israeli's. If you did learn your lesson well, you would know (for instance) last decade jewish troops killed significally more than jews were being killed by others. Israel has become a paria state, based on killing, ethnicide, terrorism, economic destruction, house demolition and (above all) stealing of land.
antizionist38 3 months ago
@antizionist38
To me, the difference between the Israeli and the Palestinian warfare is quite huge: One part acts civilized even though they kill, the other acts savagery, and not only because they kill. Anytime you try to explain the rather fundamental differences between the 2 side’s agenda, methods and behavior, the 2 public perceptions and support of acts of terrorism………………
knutgordon 3 months ago
………………..the 2 public opinions and the proportion and support of extremists in each side. Etc -There's always someone to scream bloody murders and show a picture of a toddler in a pool of his own blood or of whatever other horror irregular warfare in densely populated areas causes.
knutgordon 3 months ago
@loewinful
As for the charges of discrimination and segregation, This is an insult to the memory of the US civil rights movement. Rosa Park & Co did not have a prior history of boarding public buses in order to blow them up or attack whites. These six Palestinians were able to board the Israeli bus like any other passenger and sit without fear of the Israeli passengers on the bus until they reached a security checkpoint. Most Israelis would avoid a Palestinian bus out of fear for their lives.
knutgordon 3 months ago
@knutgordon Alright, I appreciate your response and I'll see what else I can learn about it.
loewinful 3 months ago
@caltch51 What did I present? I asked a question. I don't live there, I'd like to know.
loewinful 3 months ago
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KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
1 of 4
You know NOTHING of history and the Jewish faith. Some Arab families in Palestine date back to the times of King Richard the Lion Hearted, and the Great Muslim leader [Saladin] Salahu'd-Din. Until 1909, what you call the Biblical homeland of the Jews was a possession of the Ottoman Dynasty, ruled by the Sultan of Turkey, Abdul Hamid II. In fact and law Palestine was Abdul Hamid's land, along with most of the Middle East & East Europe
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
2 of 4
With revolution in the Ottoman Empire and the Great War, the British believed a rebellion of Arabs against Turks would enable England, while fighting Germany, simultaneously to defeat Turkey. Arab irregular forces under the command of Emir Faisal, [son of Sherif Hussein of Mecca] started extensive guerrilla operations against the Ottoman stronghold in Medina. This allowed Emir Faisal to attack Turkish supply lines and the Hejaz railway.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
3 of 4
The British and the Bedouins convinced Auda abu Tayi and the Howeitat tribes along with irregular troops from a dozen other Al-Magharba tribes, to fight the Ottoman and secure lands for His Majesty’s Empire of Britannia. The lands that were once called Levant, Mesopotamia, Syria and others were payment from the British for Arab blood and treasure.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
4 of 4
While Arabs were dying for His Majesty’s Empire, the Rothchild’s of London petitioned the British Foreign office for land in Palestine for a new Israel. This is why Palestine is called a land ‘twice promised’ but paid for only once, in Arab, Bedouin and Berber blood and life.
There you go you ignorant bastard, some real history.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@KyoNingyo That will NOT work on me, your fowl mouth, and your twisted logic. Israel has been Israel for THOUSANDS of years. Get YOUR history correct. Go take your twisted, lying truth elsewhere. Murder is within your heart, just like Hilter, there is NO difference between the two of you and anyone that supports your twisted truths.
caltch51 2 months ago
@caltch51
I'm sure REAL history is lost on someone like you and you know nothing of the camps and the gulags. From the time of Moses to 1948. The Tribes of Israel ruled less than 400 years in total. Palestine was also conquered by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Mameluks, Ottomans and the British
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@KyoNingyo No the real and True history is not lost on me. I know the truth. And what you don't understand is, that the land was TAKEN by force from the Israelites, some of it was a judgement passed by God, but it was NEVER to destroy them, but to chastise them, there is difference. Palestine did not exist at the time of being taken over by the Babylonians, it was two nations, Judah, and Israel, and up to the Roman period. That also was judgement by God.
caltch51 2 months ago
@caltch51
1 of 3
Let’s kibbitz my friend :
Solomon’s Kingdom of Israel did not fall due to outside invasion; but from Solomon turning to idolatry and away from the One True and Almighty God. The division of the Israelite Kingdom into Judah and Israel took place after his death. Greeks have called this area Palestine from the 5th century BCE. The name Palestina takes hold from the Romans conquest of Jerusalem in 63 BC., mostly the territory of Syria, Samaria and the Galilee.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
2 of 3
You mention God’s punishment and promise and you are correct. To atone for Solomon’s idolatry, the Kingdom of Israel fell and the tribes had to atone for sins from the time of Abraham until God’s advent of the Messiah. There can be no sovereign Israel until the Hebrew Messiah [identified by the Torah/Talmud] unites the tribes again. The Jews yearned for the promised deliverer from the house of David, born as a humble and ordinary man.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@caltch51
3 of 3
Who would free them from the yoke of Roman rule, and establish His own reign of peace and rule for the whole world. Israel has never been sent a Messiah and the Israel of today is not the Israel of Jewish law. International law recognizes Israel and this is not in dispute, but the time of God’s promise to reconstitute Israel, has not come.
I respect your faith but the Arab Palestinians suffer greatly
and simply seek justice. I hope someday you can see this.
KyoNingyo 2 months ago
@KyoNingyo Now God did promise their return to their land, God never forsakes a promise. The Lord also stated that Jerusalem and the nation of Israel was going to be troublesome to the rest of the world, and that is true to this day. God also states that any nations which desires to or tries to destroy Israel, and the Jews, would pay a price, they will be destroyed in totality during the Great Tribulation. God will not be mocked. And God is just, far more than you or me.
caltch51 2 months ago