JAyers 500hp 1stgen Cummins Runaway

[TheSparkyDeuce]

saw it in diesel power. you need more air and tuning brah

[spartus09]

Just bought a '92 last week. Same paint scheme as this one. Since my income is limted (I'm a student) I'm going to mod my truck slowly over time....right now the plan is to first buy gauges, then do some pump work, larger injectors, and then I'll go from there. Any suggestions?

[BLACKLAB314]

for the most part the comment section hurts to read, sooo many fly-by night jerk offs who dont know shit or read a couple of paragraphs out a magazine and are all of sudden master tech's...fuck off.

[motorbrreath]

dude that truck is bad ass as hell!! Hope u got the 12er rebuilt

[motorbrreath]

@Turbo617 just needs a bigger turbo. dont hate, its a sick truck.

[NathansBackwoods]

@Turbo617, rolling coal dosn't make any more power but it does look cool.

[Turbo617]

@NathansBackwoods Only to ignorant dolts. There is nothing good about "rolling coal". It doesn't look cool and its actually very harmful to every diesel owner.

If you like having the option to buy a diesel at all then "rolling coal" is the LAST thing you should be doing. It makes the public believe diesels are dirty, smelly and noisy which in turn reduces sales of diesels and reduces incentive for manufacturers to offer them.

[NathansBackwoods]

@Turbo617, 6 to one half a dozen to the other.

[kdiesel4255]

@Turbo617 who gives a flying fuck it looks great

and just so u no when u burn fuel on a diesel it smokes

[gya0ma7ha]

@kdiesel4255 I have to disagree in a sense. Dont want to be a jerk though. When your burning fuel, it does produce smoke. But, excessive smoke such as that is unburnt, for the most part, and is due to not enough timing, too much fuel, and not enough air. My truck smokes a decent amount, but as soon as the turbo lights, it clears up to a light haze. Dont get me wrong, i got nothing against some smoke on the dyno, maybe a ricer or two, but not everyday driving.

[NIGHTRIDER995]

@Turbo617 dude thats the funnest part "ROLLING COAL" its not harmful to shit but the earth its harmful to you if your face is by the pipe when its smoking other than that it's my dream truck if you don't like then fuck you!!!

[Turbo617]

@NIGHTRIDER995 Thank you for demonstrating your amazingly low intelligence. Please come back when you are able to communicate in English that doesn't involve lame obscenities that offend nobody.

[NIGHTRIDER995]

@Turbo617 dude if you don't like the SMOKE then don't comment just leave the page fucking fag!

[Ryoukun16]

@NIGHTRIDER995 You're an idiot.

[2molloy2]

This truck seems familure was it in diesel power mag?

[1stgenman]

@2molloy2 Yes it was.

[cam2724]

This truck makes we want to sell my 3rd gen and buy a first. One of THE nicest trucks I have ever seen!

[MrRmjjmr]

I love the stance of this rig!!! Everyone seems to put like 285's or 265's on these old 1st gens.... they look anemic... are yo runnin 13.50's or bigger, either way they look perfect on that truck.!!

[straight2500]

hey what size tires are on your truck?

[1stgenman]

@straight2500 Thanks guys, they are 375/55R16's or 33/15.5/16's micky atz's.

[straight2500]

@1stgenman did you have in rubbing problems when you put them on?

[tudordanyel93]

You americans don't know shit about diesels, sorry but that's true. Europeans, on the other hand, built great diesel engines.

[denrocks2]

@tudordanyel93 Based on your ignorant comment it looks like you don't know shit.

[tudordanyel93]

@denrocks2 you can only compare this engine to the 5.0 V10 diesel from the Volkswagen Tuareg and only then tell me if your consider this engine a masterpiece.

Is this one efficient? NO!

Is the Cummins refined? NO!

And now let's ask the same questions ,this time referring to the Cummins's european conterpart.

Is the VW V10 efficient? Yes, sir!

Is it refined? Yes, sir!

It's just a matter of finece, a notion you americans clearly can not grasp.

And the same thing goes for your petrol engines.

[MrRmjjmr]

@tudordanyel93

Put 1400 hp throght the bottom end of your TDI V10, do a sled pull and five 1/4 mi passes and we'll see if your shitbrick stays together.

petrol.....tyres.....aluminium­......bangers and mash......  go brush your teeth limey

[tudordanyel93]

@MrRmjjmr why the f**k should I do a sled pull with a refined, efficient,luxury ,technology packed SUV? And as far as I know, sled pulls are generally for tractors :D. I just don't get you,. How much fun can it be to step a bit on the gas and have clouds of smoke coming out of the exhaust? I just guess that's the american way.

[MrRmjjmr]

@tudordanyel93 technology..... your comparing a 2005-2010 touareg to a 1989-1993 Dodge Cummins...... makes sense...

Go check out a 2010 6.7 Cummins and tell me your TDI is more advanced. Id take a mechanically injected 6bta over ANY other diesel in its class...

[tudordanyel93]

@MrRmjjmr well, to tell you the truth, I wouldn't.

End of story.

Nice meeting you and have a nice day !

I'm not going to reply anymore.

[tudordanyel93]

@MrRmjjmr

P.S. : I just love to piss americans off.

[MrRmjjmr]

@tudordanyel93 @tudordanyel93 Im Scottish Canadian by the way...... ;)

We dont get the diesel goodies you all get in Brittain/Europe

Late models are 4cyl TDI jetta/golf/passat, V10 Touareg only. Benz 320 Diesels and the Smart diesel, other than that its 3/4 ton and up domestic trucks. Most euro cars we share with you are all gas otherwise.

Historically some peugeot, volvo, bmw, toyota, toyota pwrd Ranger/Tempo some obscure ones i probly forgot...

[tudordanyel93]

@MrRmjjmr I really don't understand why diesel cars aren't that popular in the U.S. In Europe it's full of them.

By the way do you get the BMW and Audi diesels there?

And sorry for calling you an American, but how the hell should I have known that you were Scottisch-Canadian?:))

[MrRmjjmr]

@tudordanyel93 However the 1100lb longstroke I6 cummins is one of the toughest SOB mills youll find in a N/Am. pickup.... and a few have found thier way into some big bodied classic cars too...

[MrRmjjmr]

You need to realise... the Cummins was an industrial engine.... so is the 6.9/7.3 Ford/International. The V10TDI is purpose built..... for cars and suvs.....and i guess vans over there... a 5.9 cummins can be found in vehicles with 15000lb+ GVWR..... so.... whatever dude..... i choose torque..... your engine doesnt make enough, for the HP it puts out

ISB Ram 305hp 610tq....

ISB non Ram....300hp 660tq

[dimented24x7]

@tudordanyel93 I just love magazine mechanics. They sit on the net and read the magazines, and all of a sudden, they know everything... Id be surprised if some of you guys could even change a tire, or tyre, or whatever. Anyway, enough feeding the trolls.

[RM250D8rzr]

@tudordanyel93 cocky little fucker arnt ya?

[circaskata]

i have the dp magazene with this truck in it! its georgous! best first gen ever!!! love it dude

[jphipps33]

Is that at smoking the bluegrass?

[jphipps33]

Is that at smoking the bluegrass?

[1stgenman]

@jphipps33 yes sir!

[jphipps33]

@1stgenman yeah good event, i think i seen this truck at shied last fall too.

[ragebowhunter93]

prettiest 1st gen ive ever seen

[TwoStrokePower653]

is this the same truck from the january 2010 issue of Diesel Power?

[Valeofagony]

Turbo617

Take a pill fuckstick, dont go name callin cuz your a fuckhead computer nerd... youd shit your pants if you got a ride in this truck.... fuckin bite me.

So... put your money where your mouth is you fuckin tampon, lemme see 300hp out of your moms Mercedes....

Dont chirp me back fucknut. You dont have the fuckin required equipment

Put up

or shut the fuck up!!

1st gen man's truck is fuckin awesome. And you fuckin know it.

[Turbo617]

300hp is very easy. All I need is a Holset HE341, an intercooler and a modified injection pump. Oh wait, l already do. :)

FYI, frequent use of expletives is a sign of low mental capacity, which would coincide with my previous comment about you being retarded.

[72fordcrewcabcummins]

good lookin first gen.

[Valeofagony]

So are you a honda guy?

[WheelinS10]

Was this truck in diesel power mag? Good lookin rig!

[sonnyc101]

i think so. ive got that issue too. That or a first gen just like it.

[WheelinS10]

Yea pretty sure thats the one..

[stihlman390]

that looks to be hard on the environment and is that a standard?

[macman216]

ok so it went wild, but u got her off, now what do you do? can u fire her up

[caniwitech]

I think we're mostly in agreement, just a little different view. I agree that this truck smokes excessively, and that it should not be driven on the street. That being said, i still say you cannot build that power level with a mechanically injected diesel and have no smoke. It simply won't work. The fuel needed to drive a turbo that can support that level is simply gonna smoke. Period. But like i said, i would rather see a clean 400 hp, vs a extremely smokey 600. BUt i like them both!!!

[caniwitech]

Well, no. ALthough i'm with you on the honda thing. However, in performance diesels, especially high hp mechanically injected engines, you're gonna have alot of smoke. Part of it is being heavily overfueled as you said, but another part is typically they will use a large turbo that doesn not spool up until higher rpm and a heavier load. This will cause smoke before the turbo comes up. There is no way to 'tune' a clean 600 hp diesel. Unless we're the almight you, of coarse.

[caniwitech]

I love your truck!!! Is she seeing anyone?

[caniwitech]

Mr. turbo, that could've had any less to do with 'tuning'. But good try anyway.

[nethingwwheels]

A diesel can runaway if the oil seals in the turbo blows and it pumps oil into the engine and it burns the engine oil and will continue to rev higher and higher.

[blackhawk018]

gorgeous first gen

What issue DP was this in?

[1stgenman]

Thanks! January issue.

[proman15]

THis truck is featured on Diesel power magazine

[Flattrack450r]

i know im gonna sound like a dumbass askin this but whats a runaway

[poohbearscub]

I don't know EXACTLY what causes it, but in a diesel the entire fueling/ignition process is controlled by a mechanical pump (on older ones) and a run away is where the pump won't de-fuel. so the pump fails

[caniwitech]

That's possible, but mostly runaway is caused by an outside source of fuel, most likely from oil in the intake from a failed turbo.

[caniwitech]

A run away is when a diesel gets it's fuel from an outside source and just accelerates higher and higher until it runs out of fuel or seizes up. Diesel's do not have a throttle, they are only accelerated by adding fuel. If the engine gets it fuel from an outside source (typically from oil in the intake from a blow turbo) it just accelerates as fast as it has fuel to support it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. I've seen it up close, and it sucks.

[fordgtrcr]

@caniwitech There is one thing you can do about it that is put a board on the turbo or something flat to cut off the air

[caniwitech]

I know that. I merely meant that unless you have the hood open, the intake off, and a clear path to the engine, you can do nothing. It's real easy to sit there and say, just cover the intake. easier said than done.

[biertier99]

it would suck your arm right in ! compress it combust it blow it out and suck another peace of your arm in

[Valeofagony]

ive see a few 24v mills run an linear actuated gate valve..much like a sliding damper for a furnace. Im pretty sure it was air powered. So if the prick starts running away, you just dump the gate shut and itll choke the engine out before it grandes..

[shepkimberly]

damn that thing really rolls coal

[Bubbaj77]

One of the best 1st gens i have ever seen

[doomboy829]

sick truck, i would hate to have the tow straps snap =\

[bpwilliams21]

has the stock ve pump

[bpwilliams21]

that truck is in the new diesel power mag!

[SMiller5488]

For the guy that said 24v P-Pump ftw, a 12 valve head that has been worked over will flow more then the 24 valve head, so 12 valve P-pump ftw!

[mxkid114]

you have to cut larger valves to even get close to a 24v stock! stock for stock the 24v outflows a 12v 20%. iv had both on the flow bench and have one of each ported and polished, valve grind, intake off. i was even able to get 5% more flow out of a "schieds" port and polished 12v head ;-) the 12v is more desired due to it having less moving parts for use at higher rpm.

[warren8990]

gorgious truck man...very nice..

[FordGuy100]

Yikes, I feel real bad for that, or those, turbo's. With EGT's that high (and they would be real high with that amount of fuel), with it shutting down like that its going to cook them in no time.

Nice looking truck though.

[yoshi470]

looks like you could use some more air!

[immadodgeguy]

something about the tie-downs slapping the ramps makes it more dramatic sounding lol

[immadodgeguy]

12v FTW!!!

[bighunterman77]

p pumped 24 valve FTW!!!!!!

[straight2500]

nice truck what have you done, i got the same one!

[spsickfastsupra]

I wish the newer trucks smoked like that the whole time even when the boost was on!! MINT truck too! u dont wana sell it do ya??

[fordgtrcr]

i dont really like 1st gens but damn this one looks good!

[onecylanderracer]

thought u could avoid this by bein easy on the throttle let off??? cuz i turned my pump in this much and it did that on me(with no damage) but learned not to just let all off on the throttle.. guess i shold look into it more

[DeryckMacpherson]

haha i love the black smoke.... I got a 6.5 Gm Diesel in my 78 chevy ( conversion....) And It wont smoke for the life of it.....

[p2spec]

beuatiffle 1ST GEN :)

[BMW620]

sounds very good

[fordman2288]

that is nice dodge truck back when they made decent trucks. nice truck

[cmnspwr]

P pump or VE?

[1stgenman]

Highly modded VE.

[upinsmoke945]

thank god for the headwork... 4700 on a stock springs, etc. would be BAD omg.

[IMPORTEDCSL]

Do you have a lift on that first gen? What size are your tires and wheels?

[1stgenman]

Nope just an ad a leaf in the front to level it out. Its got 16x10 centerlines with 375/55R16 tires 33/15.5/16

[IMPORTEDCSL]

thanks man, btw are you on the cummins forum?

[1stgenman]

yeap im under JAyers, i dont get on there very often tho.

[hennessyviper]

man that is one bad ass diesel i normally go for detroit diesel but that one one nice sounded truck

[39cummins]

nice truck, but you're lucky if you didn't ruin that turbo! Overall Sweet truck dude!

[yfz450lover]

what the hell happened averything suddenly stoped oh yea and is the motor the stock 1st gen 12 valve or second gen p pumped 12 valve cuz i know people like to do that swap alot

[HoffmanSS]

love the truck man, sounds good.what happend? im new to deisels, is the 5.9 better than the new 6.7 i think it is? where do you buy your parts?

[plzhelpmeimdead]

you have to do a thousand dollars worth of illegal punishable by law removals to a brand new 6.7 to make it even worth the hassle of owning.

[3406Ecaterpillar]

bet that was scary

[ant2190]

well, what kinda power did it make?

[1stgenman]

501hp check out my other vid.

[tpvalley]

Missfire then clunk.....

did turbo come apart and jam engine?

I have a similar missfire at full power in high gear, can turbos cause missfire if boost is sporadic?

I wouldnt have thought so but this missfire is annoying!

[1stgenman]

Nope, everything except the head and rotor in the injection pump survived.

[tpvalley]

how did the injection pump fail, was this failure cause of runaway if it was a runaway?

bosch ve pump or big 7100 thing?

[1stgenman]

Its the bosch VE, yea the runaway was the cause of the failure. The 14mm h&r's dont like alot of rpm.

[tpvalley]

h & r's??

I know if u over adjust them the rpms can stick, I have a VE running up to 5000rpm no problems, on a smaller engine of course.

[1stgenman]

Head and rotor. I had the fuel screw a turn or two to farr, thats what caused the runaway. But the reason it shut down was because the 14mm head and rotor seized. The vane pump in the pump cant keep up with the amount of fuel that the 14mm h&r can flow. Even with massive fuel systems and fuel coolers its still possible to seize one up.

[tpvalley]

Did it run fine for a while then run away?

I screwede mine as far in as it would go and it would settle at different rpm, quite high, but never run away!

U must have screwed it in hard did u?

What rpm did it reach?

[1stgenman]

Yea i prolly had 2000 miles of driving time on it set the way it was. I never really did get on it tho. I just screwed it in far enough to where when you reved the engine it would hang or the rpm would start to float so to speak, then id back it back out a turn. My tach recalled 4700rpm.

[tpvalley]

wierd!

Thats about where mine is set!!!!!

Mine is just a 4 cylinder turbo diesel land rover TDI 2.5 litre.

It has 130bhp ish and about 230lbft torque.

Kind of feeble compared to this!!

[tpvalley]

Theres a VE test on youtube on a test rig, they rev it to 6000rpm! thats 12000rpm!

and it still worked correctly...must have been smaller internally.

[1stgenman]

yeap sure is.

[calebglennwalsh]

is this in Paris, Ky?

[Charger3091]

Thats one hell of a Dodge youve got there, nothing better than a Dodge Cummins Turbo.

[1stgenman]

yea that was 4700 rpm, it scared the shit outa me.

[Xx69roadrunnerxX]

Thats a sick truck! What mods? Bigger injectors, VE pump turned up, aftermarket turbo(s)(ATS, industrial injection, Garrett, turbonetics, other) and stuff like that im guessing...

[1stgenman]

Thanks man, i have alot of time and money in that pile. 6x.016 edm's, 14mm VE, SPS 62, Helix 2 cam, lots of head work, studs, orings, etc...

[Xx69roadrunnerxX]

Thats awesome man! Keep up the great work!

[blueheeler88]

damn... was that 4500+ rpm out of a ve... scary...hey at least your tire didnt fly off mine did