Star Trek: The Wrath Of Picard

[MrImastinker]

Kirk's an over rated hack who took on enemies like the Gorn, and the determined Khan, yet would've been utterly destroyed by the Borg or the Dominion. He's an inferior tactitian to Picard, he has a less advanced and powerful ship, and he wears a toupee.

Picard beats Kirk.

[powderkostisblue]

@MrImastinker Sadly there's no such Captain (Picard) in starfleet The timeline has changed....(Star Trek XI)hehehehehehehehe:)))))

[MrImastinker]

@powderkostisblue No. Just because the time's changed doesn't mean there's no Picard. He lived a century later, I'm pretty sure he's still around. Heck, in the prequel comic it didn't show anything strange happen to him at all after Nero went back.

[MrImastinker]

Crap.

[BULLSHIT1173]

Boo. Picard would've won

[Bartman954]

LOL @ McCoy: This is fun.

RIP De Kelley.

[antihero276]

damn that was awesome xD but for the last part, it would have been more awesome if you had Picard ram Kirk's ship xDD make the battle longer

[MrImastinker]

This is B.S. Picard would beat Kirk HANDS DOWN.

[voyager16]

Now heres the thing lol How did kirk have the prefix codes for the enterprise E?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm­mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm­mmmm

[WhisperingDeath90]

picard was winning, kirk would never win picard if they would really fight. picard is superior to kirk in allmost every way

[ltflak]

@WhisperingDeath90 Except for all those times he surrendered, or did stupid things, or the fact that he can't win a fist fight to save his life.

[Revkor]

@WhisperingDeath90 sorry, it all depends on the ship, Picard has a century advantage.

[Trekkieish]

1:11 - Data: Sir, the the coordinates here indicate it not to be a vital system.

Picard: Trust me, Data.

2:00 - Spock: They knew exactly where to hit us.

Data doesnt know much about Constitution class starships, does he?

[rossinatl]

The Enterprise-E would have owned Kirk in a real battle

[MrImastinker]

@rossinatl Too bad Kirk's fanboys are too stubborn to see it.

[GreenCollegeMan]

Kirk FTW.

[vicentox1999]

Always good to see Kirk kicking some ass

[willhunting1995]

Kirk for the win!

[michelecrenshaw]

This is EPIC! Both Kirk and Picard are kick ass!

[WiseGuy5674]

Picard aint no wimp..He kicked the shit out of 5 Norsicans' ..and one stabbed him in the back, though the heart.

[willhunting1995]

@WiseGuy5674 And yet, Picard got his butt kicked by Doctor Soran, ONE MAN, while Kirk beat the living crap out of that same ONE MAN, go figure

[byzantinedude]

We all know this is rather fanciful!

[moogug]

Excellent stuff! awesome soundtrack

[americanmonarchist]

I wonder if it would be possible for the 23rd century Enterprise A to finish off the 24th century Enterprise E. Even fully shielded one quantum torpedo could possibly finish off the ole Enterprise A!!! Wonder how long the Exelsior would last against Picard's Enterprise?

[worseto]

Allways a great battle.Kirk and Picard

[11FreeSpirit]

Picard (Johnny Luke) is the ultimate Star Trek jerk, he is humorless, causes so much suffering in the MILLIONS, and wants his way all the time. Johnny Luke would hate free spirits with always untied bow ties, creatures like Timon the Meerkat, and many others. Johnny Luke wants James T Kirk gone so he does not have to live in his shadow or be reminded of is dad who treid to keep him out of Starfleet. I am a free spirit with a bow tie that I promsie to NEVER tie as a gesture of peace:)

[willhunting1995]

FUCK YEAH, KIRK FOR THE WIN, THAT PUSSY PICARD NEVER HAD A CHANCE!

[americanmonarchist]

As much as I love the design and history of the Constitution class Starfleet vessels and of course the famous U.S.S. Enterprise 1701 it would take the Enterprise and all her Constitution class sisters to destroy the U.S.S. Enterprise E.

[papabugs71]

DO IT!!! While we still have time.

[hafabee]

Hell yeah Kirk for the win.

Jim Kirk broke the mold, Jean Luc is the mold.

[Greenbomb]

The outcome of this battle makes no sense.

[willhunting1995]

Hell, yeah, Kirk fucks up that little Picard bitch up again!

[michelecrenshaw]

@willhunting1995 go away nobody likes you!

[willhunting1995]

@IntelPhoenix31 As usual, you're just bitching because you got completely PWNED. First Contact sucks almost as much dick as you do, fag. Now run off and go blow your daddy!

[willhunting1995]

@IntelPhoenix31 No, it's you who like homosexuality, and completely I might add. As for intelligence, it's you who are seriously lacking in it, I'm afraid.

[willhunting1995]

@IntelPhoenix31 Yeah, if you're a troll, you're not a very good one. Be sure to pull your daddy's hairy pecker out of your ass next time.

[Tehssnake01]

If only they saved Data and Riker.

[johnnystir]

Well edited, but I hate the idea of Picard and Kirk battling. It would be like having my two favorite sports teams playing in the Super Bowl.

[willhunting1995]

@IntelPhoenix31 If that's "trolling" then you are definintely not good at it. Go back to the drawing board, little boy!

[willhunting1995]

@IntelPhoenix31 Try and shut me up BITCH, Picard's wussy, Enterprise E couldn't even take out the Schimitar, and the new Enterprise from last year's Trek film would blow that ship to smithereens! Picard is and alwasy be a wussy who spend all day in the captain's chair never leading away team missions, and who NEVER became an admiral like Kirk did. Like I said, try and shut me up, because you'll definitnely be on the losing end!

[Blopdomia]

LOVE IT!! Great editing!!

[msinvincible2000]

It's not only Kirk vs Picard, it's the whole tream:

Spock vs Data

Scotty vs Geordy (who is nothing compared to the great Scotty)

Uhura vs Troi

McCoy vs Crusher (the mother)

Tchekov vs Crusher (the son)

There's no doubt that the original cast beats every time the TNG cast :)

[willhunting1995]

@msinvincible2000 YOU SAID IT!

[TrekkerMan1701]

Although a Sovereign class starship would easily destroy a Constitution class ship within 5-10 minutes, but who cares...

[willhunting1995]

@IntelPhoenix31 NO Kirk rightfully kicked Picard's ass and does so everytime!

[willhunting1995]

Enterprise A smokes the E out of the stars!

[willhunting1995]

Kirk for the win bitches!

[lighteningstormDS]

Go Kirk!

[startrekgamer]

This here proves that the people prefer kirk over picard. Personally I like both.

[luigi19987]

ahh cival war the klingons would love it

[MrHoppers002]

or how about the new enterprise from the new movie that's bigger than the enterprise-E, faster, and packs more firepower.

[MrHoppers002]

I always had questions about Titan AE I mean they're in the year 3000 yet their tech sucks. while Enterprise is from the 2260s and can beat the shit out of some energy beings in the year 3000 in the Titan AE universe. You should make a video where the enterprise faces the dredge. :)

[MrHoppers002]

revenge on lion king? tell me about the site. it seems interesting.

[MrHoppers002]

It's not that jean luc picard wanted to kill kirk it's that he's so incompetent his old butt couldn't move fast enough to help kirk.

[MrHoppers002]

you like Titan AE too? Me too. Just to be fair the enterprise is far more advanced than anything they have in titan AE. The Enterprise could just drain the Drej with their deflector dish and absorb all the power into the warp engines boosting their warp yeild. :)

[MrHoppers002]

If you prefer Titan AE over picard's flicks than you must really hate TNG. LOL

[YoungandRestlessboy]

The Enteprise NCC-1701 has a more experienced crew and determination. That ship is like 50 years old, while the Enteprise E is only 8 years.

[rathraven1313]

With crew like Scotty, McCoy, and Spock, Kirk just rules.

[barkerfmx]

BULLSHIT picards would own that shit

[willhunting1995]

@barkerfmx No Kirk owns Picard!

[sgtmyers88]

If Picard and crew still had the Enterprise-D Things may have been quite different and more interesting here! hehehe

*hint* *hint*

[eraldorh]

kirk sucks and a quantum torpedo would have annihilated the kirks enterprise.

[MrHoppers002]

1 torpedo won't. Kirk was saving the universe when picards' grandfather was in diapers. LOL

[eraldorh]

@MrHoppers002 o i see so because kirk is a useless old fart it makes him better? original series was good for its time but it looks shit if you watch it now.

and yes just 1 quantum torpedo would have destroyed kirks enterprise... im that much of a startrek nerd i know, they were developed to fight the borg.

[MrHoppers002]

ugh TOS has remastered version so it looks better than TNG actually. Unless you must watch classic TOS it's dated but I enjoy the story.

If you watch mirror darkly the nx ship can withstand a few torpedoes and phaser hits from the defiant (the same type of ship as Kirk's enterprise) they're 100 years apart. This leads me to believe that Kirk's enterprise can take a few hits from picards' enterprise.

also if you go by character feats, Kirk saved the universe. Picard didn't. :)

[eraldorh]

@MrHoppers002 Iv seen the re-mastered version and it looks crap you can only upscale a video clip so far.

Picard has saved the entire quadrant from war loads of times, its just that now the universe is more stable than when kirk was about.

Has kirk ever saved earth or the alpha quadrant from the borg?

Enterprise series was crap it didn't represent the real star trek universe andis why Trekkie's didnt like it very much.

[MrHoppers002]

picard saved the quadrant from wars and a borg cube that's great and all but kirk saved the quadrant from monsters that would lay waste to it and saved the universe. Kirk saved the Earth in ST 1 and ST IV, stopping a whale probe and v'ger that would be capable of making mince meat out of the borg with its whale cries and plasma bursts.

[willhunting1995]

@eraldorh I don't think so, quantom torpedoes didn't do shit to the Scimator did they? Hell even the Enterprise from last year's Star Trek film would whoop the Enterprise E's ass in a dogfight, with far superior phaser and torpedo fire. Photon torpedoes are always superior to quantom torpedoes which are shoddy at best.

[ltflak]

it would have been funnier if Sulu had the last line "So much for a little training cruise"

[SeanConnery9000]

Good video but these Kirk VS. Picard videos always have vague plots.

Why do they want to kill each other? I know most people don't give a damn but still. . .

[klingoncowboy4]

that and just once I would love to see Picard win

[SeanConnery9000]

I know. I liked this video but the ending sucked because picard won automatically when they could've edited it to where the ships fight back & forth.

I'm thinking of making a video where both Picard & Kirk fight each other hand-to-hand

[PaperbackWizard]

@SeanConnery,

It's Picard's Iromodic Syndrome finally kicking in. Why the crew doesn't remove him from command, I have no idea.

[SeanConnery9000]

LOL, Picard's a boss!

[MrHoppers002]

@SeanConnery9000 picard wants to kill kirk because picard knows everyone will remember Kirk as the captain of the enterprise while Picard is a footnote. hehe

[SeanConnery9000]

'Kay, cool, thanks

[sjsharp2007]

very good well done whoever compiled this

[magicmaker15]

Bravo!

[737SYLAR737]

McCoy: This is fun. (God I love McCoy!)

[737SYLAR737]

i started laughing when i saw the title. The Wrath of Picard? Funny!

[jackfan247]

nice video dude...however a constitution class vessel is no match for a sovereign....the enterprise-e can blow away the enterprise-a with a single volley of quantum torpedoes!

[pacanime]

lol that was pretty clever. The edits were almost flawless. If a guy happened to watch this without knowing the films, he might think it was a real plot happening in front of him. good job

[TheWindClaw]

This vid was cute, but it didn't make much sense... If Picard's ship can blow away a borg ship with a single volley, then I'm pretty sure it could blow Kirk's ship away with a single volley too.

[BrandisLee]

Its always cute how the Kirk fans like to make these vids to try and feel better about their hero. I loved Kirk too, but even if both ships were evenly matched, I dont think its an automatic win for Kirk. Picard outwitted many more foes over the time we saw him, but its just "accepted" lore that Kirk is some kind of massive badass...when really they had alot more in common. Now in ST reality, Ent-E would have destoryed Ent-A with two shots...buts it funny to see.

[ltflak]

With Scotty manning the engine, Kirk can't lose, why they didn't make Scotty something like Fleet Admiral of Engineering is beyond me.

[Will1017A]

Funny the minitue they saw A they fired when they encountered C they didint fire

[GndAdmBerner]

Awesome video...I don't care that the E could own the Refitted 1701 and the A. This is awesome...how'd you do the editing

[MrRobertSama]

Well Kirk could always get the Enterprise E stuck in a blackhole then hit it with everything hes got, :D

[oosaf]

The fact that he knows that disturbs me

[ltflak]

very well editted

[fiftyonefiftyevh]

YES. KIRK WINS. I grew up with tng and I grew up with picard. But even I have to admit: KIRK WOULD FIND A WAY.

[trekaniser]

Picard would have VAPORISED Kirk with one - maybe two Quantum Torpedoes. The Enterprise E has Multivectoral Sheilding and Ablative Armour. There is nooo chance that Kirk could have done any real damage. Even with that modified Photon. I am talking about canonical facts here. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Kirk to destroy the Enterprise E.

[Dudtz]

Like how the Kobiashi Maru was impossible?

Maybe Kirk could somehow cheat Picard and Enterprise E.

[SamTheSuave]

@trekaniser Loser

[leng55555]

I would say they probably had superior technology in Kirk's day (If the original Enterprise ever existed that is.)

[hoppers001]

"Enterprise 1701, no bloody A,B,C,D, or E." LOL

[rlinfinity]

The STar 'trek: Next Generation sequences. which episode or movie is that from??? I haven't seen this.

[barkboingfloom]

Fantastic sequence, well edited! A very very outstanding and fun video!

[DragonWaveMaster]

Great video, this is my favorite Kirk vs Picard video! :)

[terminattheconqueror]

id say kirk used a transphasic torpedo, but i may be wrong

[georgethott]

Picard was a great captain, but Kirk was Legendary! He just looked so damn cool

[krooger]

Very well done... but kirk would never win

[hoppers001]

well if both ships fight each other using the showings they have on their own series then the original enterprise under kirk would trounce Picard and his enterprise. The original enterprise is nearly indestructible the enterprise-E would run out of torpedoes before they crack the shields. The original enterprise fires a few volleys and the bridge consoles on the E start exploding. Kirk and the original take the win.

[ussmwm]

I just want to say thats way off. Kirk's Enterprise is practically ancient compared to the Enterprise-E. Picard would have the advantage with regards to tech. Now who's the better Captain, that's up to u.

[hoppers001]

Who cares you give me a 19th century gun I can still blow holes in you. The 1701 has taken stuff far worse than the 1701-E. Picard's ship can't take a few hits from shinzon's ship without geordi saying she's not going to hold. Kirk's ship takes torpedo after torpedo from chang's super bird of prey and keeps on fighting.

[ussmwm]

Now your getting into writing rather then reality. Two different storylines with two different circumstances. You also interestingly left out the fact that Shinzon's ship was a whole lot more powerful then some dinky Bird-of-prey which only had one advantage over other's of its class: firing while cloaked; also an ability Shinzon had.

In conclusion. Every point you made in that comment is either irrelevant or bogus. Kirk got just as "beaten up" as Picard.

[ussmwm]

And what does shooting me with a 19th century gun have to do with anything?

[hoppers001]

it's just a analogy that just because it's old doesn't mean it isn't useful.

[thanks51]

The more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.

[hoppers001]

I know shinzons ship is more powreful than chang's bird of prey. Everything I say in a Kirk vs. PIcard debate is just opinion. Until they do a Kirk vs. picard movie for real we'll never know. However Kirk is more ruthless, quick on his feet, and faster on the trigger this makes him more dangerous than picard.

[ussmwm]

I never said Kirk couldn't beat picard with the Enterprise, jsut that he's got a tehcnological disadvantage. As far as ur opinion of kirk, thats all urs. I'm not going to debate who's a better Captain. I personally don't care, but as far as tachnology, the Enterprise-E is better.

[hoppers001]

Okay this is interesting people ar so sure that the Enterprise-E is so superior. Let's see what each ship did in their day.

Enterprise-E: stopped a cube but only with help from an entire fleet, got banged up by sona ships, and couldn't even withstand several disruptor hits before data says shields failing.

Enterprise: has travelled 1000 lightyears in 12 hours, withstood doomsday machine (enough said), can take on a whole klingon fleet by itself. Check and mate.

[ussmwm]

Yea because the writer's of First Contact and Nemesis were more realistic. If I wrote an episode of the Enterprise single-handedly destroying every cube in the collective, then I could say that the E would quick the original's butt. Get your blinders off and look at more then just what is in front of you.

[hoppers001]

Now you're the one being very unrealistic. No writer in their right mind would write the Enterprise-E being able to take on a whole fleet of borg cubes. Taking on a fleet of 12 klingon ships isn't that ridiculous. Stop over exagerating.

[MasterTalon]

You're kind of misleading in your points on the original Enterprise. Yes they withstood the Doomsday machine, but that was because the whole episode was pretty much them running from the planet killer. They couldn't cause any damage to the craft. Don't forget they had to use another starship and ram it down the throat of the planet killer to defeat it, thus they too needed aid to defeat a near unstoppable enemy. Adding in that the Enterprise E was able to destroy the Borg Sphere itself.

[hoppers001]

yes the 1701 had help in the end but the 1701 withstood 5-6 shots from the doomsday machine. Each shot is enough to blast off huge chunks of a planet. the total output is enough to destroy a planet. Even if they were running that's one of the top 5 impressive feats in trek. The Enterprise didn't damage the hull but they were using up the doomsday machines power, in essence they could've just wore it out to the point of powr loss. You know a bor cube is > borg sphere.

[MasterTalon]

You don't know how strong the blasts are compared to what it did to destroy the planets, it is never shown, so you have no frame of reference. The Doomsday machine had plenty of debris around to continue to recharge itself, Spock said that the planetkiller would outlast them no matter what. Besides, if the vessel could use a planet to destroy a ship so easily, then it would have destroyed the fuel it was trying to draw in, so it's not trying to destroy the Enterprise, just disable it.

[hoppers001]

actually the 1701 was wearing down the doomsday machine, they moved out of range and the doomsday machine was given time to consume debris. I bet if the Enterprise kept on playing cat and mouse and not get hit it could've weakened the doomsday machine much more extensively. From all the times spock was in command he was never good at engaging enemy targets.

[MasterTalon]

They could not defeat it, their weapons could NOT get through the hull.

[MasterTalon]

If the vessel was too weak to fight the enterprise, it could have just gone to rigel and munched on that system for another go, but the Enterprise could not defeat it, outrunning it was all they did, the planet killer was overtaking them, stronger, tougher, they took it out using the one weakness it had. If the Enterprise got too close to engage, it would have just sucked them in like it tried to before. The Enterprise was more maneuverable, but the planet killer was faster.

[hoppers001]

All I know is if the enterprise went round 2 with another doomsday machine they would just fire torpedoes into it, end of story.

[MasterTalon]

They would have to get in firing range, which would be in the Planet Killer's threat range, and that would be their doom. Plus the damage caused by a torpedo would probably be along the lines of the shuttlecraft. Be like a burp after a bad burrito.

[hoppers001]

read my other comment. :)

[hoppers001]

in my opinion they didn't have to. All they had to do was make the doomsday machine waste energy, that's it. Heck just launch several shuttlecrafts into hte doomsday machine mouth detonate them and that should take out the doomsday machine from inside.

[MasterTalon]

That is your OPINION, which you are entitled to, but the episode showed that the Enterprise would exhaust their power supply before the planet killer would. And the shuttle craft would not cause that much damage, Decker's attack did a minute drop in power, it took a starships impulse drive going nuclear to take out the vessel.

[hoppers001]

of course I'm not saying my opinion over rides the episode. but the impulse drive was 97 megatons in destructive power. A photon torpedo has 40-50 megatons of destructive power. 1-2 should do the trick.

[MasterTalon]

That's using The Next Generation and on measurements of an isoton and so on. The exact yield of TOS photon torpedo are never stated. Adding in, as I said, to get in firing range to line up a shot, you would be inside the planetkiller's threat zone, and it's start blasting. Look how it reacted to Decker's command of getting in close for a shot. To fire into the maw would mean leaving yourself wide open to it's massive blast.

[hoppers001]

I remember reading somewhere that TNG torpedoes only improved 10% in yield power from the time of TOS to TNG.  so make it 35-40 megatons. So the best bet is divert all engine power to the shields, get in front of the machine, take the hits while the shields hold, dump about a dozen torpedoes inside the maw, watch the fireworks.

[MasterTalon]

Also don't forget that the Enterprise E was not specially fit for travel in the brier patch nebula. Also consider the fact that the E is not a warship, while the Scimitar is, remember Picard calling the vessel a predator after hearing the technical stats of the ship. They did pretty good against a vessel with primary and secondary shields, massive disruptor batteries and torpedo bays, plus a perfect cloak that could not be detected. And when did the original take on a Klingon Fleet?

[hoppers001]

I'll exclude the briar patch it still got it's tail whooped by 3 sona ships early on in the fight. THey had to use dirty tactics to win. The E is the best combat vessel starfleet has, it was built during the dominion war. It's starfleets fault if they can't equip their ships with 50 phaser banks and 20 torpedo launchers. In the TOS episode errand of mercy there was verbal diaglogue saying there were 10 klingon ships in the organian system and the 1701 was the only ship to take them on.

[MasterTalon]

The E was built before the Dominion War. The Prometheus is a warship, so is the Defiant, the Enterprise is heavily armed, but war is not it's main purpose. The Sona also used illegal weapons that were extremely powerful and damaging. Adding into Errand of Mercy, if I recall right, the Enterprise did not engage those ships fully, as the Organians stopped the war. I mean, in The Enterprise Incident, it was surrounded by three D7 cruisers, and in the end, the Enterprise ran from them, not fight.

[hoppers001]

It was built just before the dominion war. THe Enterprise E is a tactical vessel like the prometheus and defiant but it can also perform multi function roles. When Kirk told sulu the klingon fleet was sighted in the sector, before Kirk could finish sulu said they'll take care of them. Kirk played it safe and told sulu to retreat and regroup with the fleet. Sulu did say they can take care of the klingons. In Enterprise incident those were romulan D7s armed with plasma torpedoes not klingons.

[MasterTalon]

The D7s were built off the Klingon stats, and in return, the Klingons got the cloaking device. Not to mention that Romulans use disruptors as well, not just torpedos. The Enterprise would have lost in a prolonged conflict with that Klingon fleet. Sulu is gung-ho, but it's a basic term of numbers, not to mention the cloak giving the Klingons a decided advantage against one loan federation ship.

[willhunting1995]

@hoppers001 You said it, Kirk rules!

[willhunting1995]

@krooger Think again, Kirk was always the superior captain, that's why he, NOT Picard, became a Starfleet Admiral!

[krooger]

@willhunting1995 Ahhhh reallllly? Picard does become an admiral although only mentioned in DS9, and he didn't later get demoted back to captain like someone else I know :P. Not to mention the Picard Maneuver would have melted Kirks brain!

[willhunting1995]

@krooger Actually, Picard NEVER became an Admiral at all. Even during DS9 Picard was a Captain, and during Nemesis, which takes place AFTER DS9, Picard is a Captain. Picard is and always will be a CAPTAIN. While KIrk was demoted for saving Spock's life, something that Picard is too lazy to do for others!

[razgriz76]

 @willhunting1995 BUT, you have remember in Generations Kirk even told Picard "Don't let them promote you" not to let the do anything to get him out of that chair. So in this point you make here, he was just doing what Kirk told him to do...

[willhunting1995]

@razgriz76 Yes, but it's pretty fucking pathetic when Picard never achieves any kind of promotion throughout the entire series of television shows and movies. He never grows as a character at all, choosing to keep his wrinkled ass in that captain's chair all the time!

[razgriz76]

@willhunting1995 What about the season 1, "Coming of Age" episode where Picard is promoted to Admiral. But, you're right, he chooses the captain's chair. Kinda like how Riker is promoted to Captain probably more than Picard to Admiral and still only wants to be 2nd best.  side note even Janeway is Admiral.

[Tehssnake01]

@razgriz76 Never wanted to watch the end of Voyager.... So who was stupid enough to do that?!?! If it was any other captain other than Archer and Janeway Voyager would end on the first season.

[razgriz76]

@Tehssnake01 The only reason I know Janeway was promoted to Admiral is that she was in Nemesis for a minute.

[razgriz76]

and that the only reason i tried to watch Voyager was for 7 of 9.

[Tehssnake01]

@razgriz76 Oh yeah 7 of 9 was a cool idea....smashed into the ground into the ground by the idiocy that is Voyager.

[Tehssnake01]

@razgriz76 Lol!!

[willhunting1995]

@razgriz76 Picard was never promoted to Admiral at all. He declined to take the position at Starfleet Academy, therefore, he kept the rank of Captain the entire time of the television show and in the movies, never really growing as a character, nor achieving any king of promotion at all. Even Janeway became an admiral over PIcard and actually gave him orders in Nemesis.

[razgriz76]

@willhunting1995 yeah, I know. That's what I was trying to say. they tried to promote the guy.

[willhunting1995]

@razgriz76 Being the head of Starfleet academy isn't really much of a promotion in the first place. Especially since Kirk was Chief of Starfleet Operations after his five year mission.

[razgriz76]

@willhunting1995  I know all this. I'm not disagreeing with you either. When Picard retired, he got all old, made wine and destroyed humanity. When Kirk retired he was still captain and still saved the the 1701-B...

[willhunting1995]

@razgriz76 Yes, Kirk continued to save the galaxy until the last minute while Picard couldn't get his wrinkled behind out of the captain's chair at all.

[willhunting1995]

@razgriz76 Yeah, Picard wusses out and stays in the captain's chair, and was never offered a promotion ever again. Oh, and Picard was offered the position of commandant of Starfleet Academy not an admiralcy at all.

[willhunting1995]

@razgriz76 That was only a promotion to head off Starfleet Academy, which Picard refused and he was never offered a chance at obtaining an Admiral rank again. Whereas Kirk was immediately promoted to Chief of Starfleet Operations immediately after his first five year mission! And yes, even Janeway was promoted to Admiral over Picard.

[willhunting1995]

@krooger What about the manuver, Kirk Epsilon referred in Nemesis, numb nuts?!

[willhunting1995]

@krooger Think again, Kirk always wins in a fight, and Picard always gets his ass kicked!

[Tanru2000]

Very well done! :D

[ajsanjua]

Or is it brawn over brains? Kirk did have an itchy trigger finger while Picard is more indisposed to think out a situation and waste his time with a diplomatic solution if possible...

[plasmathunderdx]

and if he ended up wasting his time with a diplomatic approach, he would lay the smack down on their candy asses!

[CapnArrrgh]

@ajsanjua

Kirk has the brains(Always beat's a Vulcan at chess. Every Time) Also Kirk has the better crew. Besides that Constitution class Refit was built for War, and after the Kittomer treaty, the class was discontinued for the sake of peace, like nuclear disarmament. Picard often relied on the D's shields to hold while he deliberated for a peaceful solution. If you recall Encounter at Farpoint, he split the ship up to escape Q. Kirk would have pawned Q just like he did Trelane.

[ajsanjua]

Brains over brawn. Kirk has the junk-bucket Enterprise and outdated weapons, yet has more experience than Picard and can whoop his ass any day! Why? Because "He's James T. Kirk!"