If you think you can't relate to this cd lyrically..check for a pulse! The amount of topics covered is outstanding. It's like a musical package of life happening today! As for thinking things are missing, I have to believe that is a result of having expectations. I learned from this band, not to form an opinion until at least 6 play throughs. But for me, most importantly, I would hope true fans are going to hear the linking of 30 yrs of music. The past, present and future of a self-standing band
I really like the music on this album. It's a step away from the usual QR sound, but there's some really good moments on drums and bass. I think that the vocal melodies aren't very memorable, it seems like Geoff has a VERY limited number of notes that he sings now. I wish that they came up with some catchier vocal lines and harmonies to make the songs more memorable. Overall I think it's better than the last few releases.
Gone are the days of thought provoking lyrics and passion, gone are the days of dual harmonized guitar rhythms and lead work, gone are the days of edgy and aggressive production, gone are the days of eccentric bass lines complemented by rigorous uncompromisable drumming. I've been a QR fan all my life and they've certainly had their low points. I've listened to the album twice and this one really hurts. They didn't even record it together according to a Wilton interview, and it shows.. RIP QR
@konevnin You can't necessarily take anything from the fact that they didn't "record" it "together". A lot of bands schedule the studio time for one part at a time. For some bands (obviously not Queensryche), they live in widely different places, so even record in different studios and send their stuff in. It depends on how they do the collaberation to get the sound they want. Also, all parts are not always recorded at the same time so they can be manipulated individually in production.
@konevnin American Soldier was VERY thought provoking and passionate. As I get to know this very next release, I see a lot of passion in that there are a lot of songs about relationships. I also see thought provoking in Around the World. All you need is love might be just as naive today as when the Beatles sang it, but the song does provoke thoughts that the world needs to change, and it takes each person showing a bit less hate to get it started.
@konevnin Also, Hot Spot Junkie and Retail Therapy give you something to think about yourself if you feel the songs describe you. Not necessarily good things either. I find the very first line of I Believe to be very thought provoking in the fact that it is disappointingly true. "Honor means nothing today."
@ReneeRycher I do respect your opinion and QR may have entered your life at a time when those albums actually had meaning for you personally. But as a long time QR fan and musician, I have serious issues with this last release and most material after Promised Land. There is so much missing from what they used to produce musically and lyrically. As you can read all over the internet I'm not alone in this opinion, however if you love what their doing support them, they're going to need it.
@konevnin QR entered my life in 1983 with the MTV debut of the Queen of the Reich video. It fit right in with what I listened to most at the time - Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Ozzy... But just because I listen to metal, doesn't mean I don't like other music. I'm OK with Queensryche trying those other kinds of music. Even if I don't identify with the lyrics personally, I like the sound. Since I like the sounds of these songs, I would like them no matter who did them - even if it is Queensryche.
@ReneeRycher Sorry I mistook you for someone who might have came along sometime after P.L. I'm not one to label music. I don't care why or if something is considered metal. Like so many others who fell in love with QR, I've always looked for the eccentric or more challenging styles of music. From my and many others perspective, QR no longer takes us there. I find some of their newer stuff is interesting but it doesn't move me like it did. If you like it, great.. It's just not for me.. TY
@konevnin I know what you mean about eccentric. Though I like Empire, it was too "main stream" for my most listened to list. It's not like I go out of my way to specifically find things others don't seem to appreciate. It just seems to happen that way. But maybe that is why I like this new CD. After hearing about how the guitars are non-existant, I am finding I hear some beautiful guitar work. I also have an ear for bass lines, but love that I don't have to try so hard to hear them on this one.
@ReneeRycher Yeah, whether you like this CD or not, they are still great musicians. I'm sure individually those parts will still shine through from time to time. Got to admit I envy that fact you can enjoy this CD and I just can't accept what I hear...
@konevnin Actually, Rage For Order is my favorite QR CD. I still prefer to listen to the heavier work. But they always put out such quality work, no matter what sound they choose to do for any particular CD, and I have a wide taste in music, I can easily at least give anything they do a fair chance. So far, even if it has taken a long time for me to get into, they never disappoint.
@ReneeRycher Fair enough.. Rage is also my favorite, still listen to it at least once a week. After all it set the stage for OM.... Interesting enough, you can hear little hints of it throughout the CD. It was indeed the next chapter........
Hm, I guess i was wrong. Just heard the album now for the 2nd time and is a very listenable and a bit enjoyable record. It DOES get pop and annoying in a few songs (Wot we do, Broken, Around The World and Got It Bad) but there songs that it's almost impossible not to like (At The Edge, Hot Spot Junkie,The Lie,Retail Therapy,I Take You) What I can say about to make a long story short: The good songs are VERY good songs. But the bad songs....holy fuck, just don't listen to 'em.
what a complete jackass... Tate give up, you are a douche..any moron who has his wife as "his blithering inspiration and manager" needs to grow a sac. To Tate down is the evolving.
I've listened so I can give an opinion and I say what the hell. I like all their different CD's through the years but after American Soldier and then this I just don't get it. It isn't about change because Operation Mindcrime is totally different from Tribe. It's about the band being something completely different. I don't think the band Slayer is going to come out with a ballad CD.
@trakra Well the fact you've already heard the album proves you've pirated it considering it's not even released yet. I've heard their single "Get Started" and must say that it is just as much Queensryche as anything else I've heard. Yes, the album seems to have a very different sound, but Queensryche have never chosen to stereotype themselves. If you wanna be a Queensryche fan, you gotta be a fan of MUSIC and not a particular style. I love EVERY ryche album and this one shall be no exception
@j800r What you said about if you want to be a Queensryche fan, you've got to be a fan of MUSIC is very true. People with narrow tastes will not fall in love with this band, just a particular CD or two.
@j800r I heard a few songs off the net. I didn't pirate them nor do I know how. After hearing just a few songs even if I knew how to pirate I wouldn't. What would I do, download the music onto a CD just to put it in the pile with OMC II & American Soldier. You can like all their music and that is your choice. My opinion is they lost something after Tribe. If you go on their website under the fan club forms you will see that I'm not only one that thinks this way. I
@trakra So true. But I think the magic stopped with Promised Land... So sad. They didn't have to go this way. Just so regressed it doesn't make sense. Just to think they used to make us think lyrically and musically. Not anymore...
@wolfman98 I'm not. Real fans don't pirate albums, or make a decision before hearing it all. Real fans understand the band has never gone with the trend or stuck to a set genre. You don't like the album, fine, don't buy it and stop bitching in the comments.
Some people just really need to learn to broaden their tastes! There is more to music than just metal. I love many kinds of music, and to know these same talented musicians are behind different sounds just gives me more music to listen to! I can't wait for the new CD, guys!
@ReneeRycher Well said. These people bitching in the comments cannot be true fans of the ryche. Queensryche have always been about thinking outside the box. They've never been ones to stick to a particular style. PL was the first album I heard and got me hooked back around 03 (when Tribe was current). I've been a fan ever since and I will be till the day I die. Why? Because I'm not a narrow minded little shit who totally misunderstands what Queensryche are all about.
@trakra That is one way to do it. I listen to a lot of different music. But for people who don't normally listen to a lot of different bands, Queensryche also offers the opportunity to broaden your tastes just by listening to them. Then maybe, if you listen to something they do just because you know you like music from Queensryche, you might get interested in what influenced that sound in the first place, and go listen to Pink Floyd or whatever.
@trakra I heard Get Started on Boneyard over the weekend, & absolutely love it! It is new, fresh, and has a beat you just have to get up and move to. Yet something about it makes me want to dig into the 70's music my mom used to play when I was a kid. Something of a classic rock, funky dance all in one.
@gotmonkeyfinger Ironic statement considering Tate is the reason Queensryche were ever the band they were. Also, their most popular, fan favourite album Operation:Mindcrime was his idea. Queensryche have never given themselves a genre, the "fans"/media did that. A TRUE Queensryche fan understands this and is a fan of MUSIC, not a particular genre. Some of the so-called fans are just far too closed minded.
@j800r Yea, not me. I'm a musician and I know Geoff made the band and he has killed it too. Geoff is the best singer there ever was in my opinion but I think he has lost his love for music and his amazing gift, he is just making a living with it now. Too bad. Now don't get mad and talk shit, it just my opinion, I'm a nobody.
@thatwerksdotcom They have nothing to apologize for. Everything they have done has been high quality sound. If it isn't your taste, that is simply a different matter. To quote Bender "It doesn't suck, YOU just don't like it."
@ReneeRycher Well said yet again. You know the only album from them I didn't love? Take Cover, and that's a covers album! All their original material is magic, you just need to "Open your mind". ;)
@thatwerksdotcom apologize for what? No one put a gun to your head and made you buy their album nor do they owe you anything because you bought previous ones. They at the time gave you a fair exchange their art for your money. and when that exchanged is made neither side owes the other anything.
@ildico1 I agree, he is. He has a decent voice too. His background vocals are so subdued, it is hard to tell. But when he takes over Jason's part on Dead Man's Words, they bring him up a bit more so you can tell. Of course, I had a typo in my earlier post and meant funky, not funly. I love funk, and would love to see what he would do with a solo project. I'm not sure he has the interest in that though.
@ReneeRycher Well, he's obviously multi-talented, and I think he would deliver a quality album, if he ever decided to go solo. I think he should start contemplating the idea of an individual project. I, for one, would love that a lot!!! :)
They used to play heavy metal music....then, they took an arrow to the knee.
drksdofthmoon 2 months ago
If you think you can't relate to this cd lyrically..check for a pulse! The amount of topics covered is outstanding. It's like a musical package of life happening today! As for thinking things are missing, I have to believe that is a result of having expectations. I learned from this band, not to form an opinion until at least 6 play throughs. But for me, most importantly, I would hope true fans are going to hear the linking of 30 yrs of music. The past, present and future of a self-standing band
DreamzRyche 7 months ago
I really like the music on this album. It's a step away from the usual QR sound, but there's some really good moments on drums and bass. I think that the vocal melodies aren't very memorable, it seems like Geoff has a VERY limited number of notes that he sings now. I wish that they came up with some catchier vocal lines and harmonies to make the songs more memorable. Overall I think it's better than the last few releases.
Mota1455 7 months ago
Sad thing is I'm still waiting for Chris DeGarmo to ride in on a white horse and make it all go away. (sigh)
RycheForOrder 8 months ago 2
Gone are the days of thought provoking lyrics and passion, gone are the days of dual harmonized guitar rhythms and lead work, gone are the days of edgy and aggressive production, gone are the days of eccentric bass lines complemented by rigorous uncompromisable drumming. I've been a QR fan all my life and they've certainly had their low points. I've listened to the album twice and this one really hurts. They didn't even record it together according to a Wilton interview, and it shows.. RIP QR
konevnin 8 months ago 6
@konevnin You can't necessarily take anything from the fact that they didn't "record" it "together". A lot of bands schedule the studio time for one part at a time. For some bands (obviously not Queensryche), they live in widely different places, so even record in different studios and send their stuff in. It depends on how they do the collaberation to get the sound they want. Also, all parts are not always recorded at the same time so they can be manipulated individually in production.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@konevnin American Soldier was VERY thought provoking and passionate. As I get to know this very next release, I see a lot of passion in that there are a lot of songs about relationships. I also see thought provoking in Around the World. All you need is love might be just as naive today as when the Beatles sang it, but the song does provoke thoughts that the world needs to change, and it takes each person showing a bit less hate to get it started.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@konevnin Also, Hot Spot Junkie and Retail Therapy give you something to think about yourself if you feel the songs describe you. Not necessarily good things either. I find the very first line of I Believe to be very thought provoking in the fact that it is disappointingly true. "Honor means nothing today."
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher I do respect your opinion and QR may have entered your life at a time when those albums actually had meaning for you personally. But as a long time QR fan and musician, I have serious issues with this last release and most material after Promised Land. There is so much missing from what they used to produce musically and lyrically. As you can read all over the internet I'm not alone in this opinion, however if you love what their doing support them, they're going to need it.
konevnin 8 months ago
@konevnin QR entered my life in 1983 with the MTV debut of the Queen of the Reich video. It fit right in with what I listened to most at the time - Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Ozzy... But just because I listen to metal, doesn't mean I don't like other music. I'm OK with Queensryche trying those other kinds of music. Even if I don't identify with the lyrics personally, I like the sound. Since I like the sounds of these songs, I would like them no matter who did them - even if it is Queensryche.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher Sorry I mistook you for someone who might have came along sometime after P.L. I'm not one to label music. I don't care why or if something is considered metal. Like so many others who fell in love with QR, I've always looked for the eccentric or more challenging styles of music. From my and many others perspective, QR no longer takes us there. I find some of their newer stuff is interesting but it doesn't move me like it did. If you like it, great.. It's just not for me.. TY
konevnin 8 months ago
@konevnin I know what you mean about eccentric. Though I like Empire, it was too "main stream" for my most listened to list. It's not like I go out of my way to specifically find things others don't seem to appreciate. It just seems to happen that way. But maybe that is why I like this new CD. After hearing about how the guitars are non-existant, I am finding I hear some beautiful guitar work. I also have an ear for bass lines, but love that I don't have to try so hard to hear them on this one.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher Yeah, whether you like this CD or not, they are still great musicians. I'm sure individually those parts will still shine through from time to time. Got to admit I envy that fact you can enjoy this CD and I just can't accept what I hear...
konevnin 8 months ago
@konevnin Actually, Rage For Order is my favorite QR CD. I still prefer to listen to the heavier work. But they always put out such quality work, no matter what sound they choose to do for any particular CD, and I have a wide taste in music, I can easily at least give anything they do a fair chance. So far, even if it has taken a long time for me to get into, they never disappoint.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher Fair enough.. Rage is also my favorite, still listen to it at least once a week. After all it set the stage for OM.... Interesting enough, you can hear little hints of it throughout the CD. It was indeed the next chapter........
konevnin 8 months ago
i still love operation mindcrime2
hulk90000 8 months ago
i hope this album dont suck
hulk90000 8 months ago
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Hm, I guess i was wrong. Just heard the album now for the 2nd time and is a very listenable and a bit enjoyable record. It DOES get pop and annoying in a few songs (Wot we do, Broken, Around The World and Got It Bad) but there songs that it's almost impossible not to like (At The Edge, Hot Spot Junkie,The Lie,Retail Therapy,I Take You) What I can say about to make a long story short: The good songs are VERY good songs. But the bad songs....holy fuck, just don't listen to 'em.
jugulatorable 8 months ago
what a complete jackass... Tate give up, you are a douche..any moron who has his wife as "his blithering inspiration and manager" needs to grow a sac. To Tate down is the evolving.
EGX500 8 months ago
I've listened so I can give an opinion and I say what the hell. I like all their different CD's through the years but after American Soldier and then this I just don't get it. It isn't about change because Operation Mindcrime is totally different from Tribe. It's about the band being something completely different. I don't think the band Slayer is going to come out with a ballad CD.
trakra 8 months ago
@trakra Well the fact you've already heard the album proves you've pirated it considering it's not even released yet. I've heard their single "Get Started" and must say that it is just as much Queensryche as anything else I've heard. Yes, the album seems to have a very different sound, but Queensryche have never chosen to stereotype themselves. If you wanna be a Queensryche fan, you gotta be a fan of MUSIC and not a particular style. I love EVERY ryche album and this one shall be no exception
j800r 8 months ago
@j800r What you said about if you want to be a Queensryche fan, you've got to be a fan of MUSIC is very true. People with narrow tastes will not fall in love with this band, just a particular CD or two.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@j800r I heard a few songs off the net. I didn't pirate them nor do I know how. After hearing just a few songs even if I knew how to pirate I wouldn't. What would I do, download the music onto a CD just to put it in the pile with OMC II & American Soldier. You can like all their music and that is your choice. My opinion is they lost something after Tribe. If you go on their website under the fan club forms you will see that I'm not only one that thinks this way. I
trakra 8 months ago
@trakra So true. But I think the magic stopped with Promised Land... So sad. They didn't have to go this way. Just so regressed it doesn't make sense. Just to think they used to make us think lyrically and musically. Not anymore...
konevnin 8 months ago
An apology album. Ha-ha I would have to agree with that.
trakra 8 months ago
"It kinda snowballs..." Yeah, right into the mouths of all your dedicated fans. We're spitting this one out. Take fucking notice.
wolfman98 8 months ago
@wolfman98 I'm not. Real fans don't pirate albums, or make a decision before hearing it all. Real fans understand the band has never gone with the trend or stuck to a set genre. You don't like the album, fine, don't buy it and stop bitching in the comments.
j800r 8 months ago
The power of queensryche has always been the surprise off what the new album would sound like.It is always different.
That's what's so great about them, not like maiden or metallica.(always the same after their succesfullalbum)
First listen then give an upinion.
I'm looking forward to it because there the best and there not a metal band,they make music not noise. nukklehead thatwerksdortcom.
rychehead83 8 months ago 2
Some people just really need to learn to broaden their tastes! There is more to music than just metal. I love many kinds of music, and to know these same talented musicians are behind different sounds just gives me more music to listen to! I can't wait for the new CD, guys!
ReneeRycher 8 months ago 2
@ReneeRycher Well said. These people bitching in the comments cannot be true fans of the ryche. Queensryche have always been about thinking outside the box. They've never been ones to stick to a particular style. PL was the first album I heard and got me hooked back around 03 (when Tribe was current). I've been a fan ever since and I will be till the day I die. Why? Because I'm not a narrow minded little shit who totally misunderstands what Queensryche are all about.
j800r 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher People broaden their tastes by listening to other bands.
trakra 8 months ago
@trakra That is one way to do it. I listen to a lot of different music. But for people who don't normally listen to a lot of different bands, Queensryche also offers the opportunity to broaden your tastes just by listening to them. Then maybe, if you listen to something they do just because you know you like music from Queensryche, you might get interested in what influenced that sound in the first place, and go listen to Pink Floyd or whatever.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@trakra I heard Get Started on Boneyard over the weekend, & absolutely love it! It is new, fresh, and has a beat you just have to get up and move to. Yet something about it makes me want to dig into the 70's music my mom used to play when I was a kid. Something of a classic rock, funky dance all in one.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
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lastfanstanding999 8 months ago
Shut up and sing! Geoff is the best and the death of QR all in one.
gotmonkeyfinger 8 months ago
@gotmonkeyfinger Ironic statement considering Tate is the reason Queensryche were ever the band they were. Also, their most popular, fan favourite album Operation:Mindcrime was his idea. Queensryche have never given themselves a genre, the "fans"/media did that. A TRUE Queensryche fan understands this and is a fan of MUSIC, not a particular genre. Some of the so-called fans are just far too closed minded.
j800r 8 months ago
@j800r Yea, not me. I'm a musician and I know Geoff made the band and he has killed it too. Geoff is the best singer there ever was in my opinion but I think he has lost his love for music and his amazing gift, he is just making a living with it now. Too bad. Now don't get mad and talk shit, it just my opinion, I'm a nobody.
gotmonkeyfinger 8 months ago 3
Stop giving interviews about this album and record an apology album.
thatwerksdotcom 8 months ago 11
@thatwerksdotcom They have nothing to apologize for. Everything they have done has been high quality sound. If it isn't your taste, that is simply a different matter. To quote Bender "It doesn't suck, YOU just don't like it."
ReneeRycher 8 months ago 2
@ReneeRycher Well said yet again. You know the only album from them I didn't love? Take Cover, and that's a covers album! All their original material is magic, you just need to "Open your mind". ;)
j800r 8 months ago
@thatwerksdotcom apologize for what? No one put a gun to your head and made you buy their album nor do they owe you anything because you bought previous ones. They at the time gave you a fair exchange their art for your money. and when that exchanged is made neither side owes the other anything.
Now quit your whining
catkong7 5 months ago
How many songs has Ed written?
ildico1 8 months ago
@ildico1 I would love to know the answer to this as well. But with his love for funly bass lines, I would say not enough.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher It would be a pity. Ed is so amazing, I wonder if he'll ever do a solo album.
ildico1 8 months ago
@ildico1 I agree, he is. He has a decent voice too. His background vocals are so subdued, it is hard to tell. But when he takes over Jason's part on Dead Man's Words, they bring him up a bit more so you can tell. Of course, I had a typo in my earlier post and meant funky, not funly. I love funk, and would love to see what he would do with a solo project. I'm not sure he has the interest in that though.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher Well, he's obviously multi-talented, and I think he would deliver a quality album, if he ever decided to go solo. I think he should start contemplating the idea of an individual project. I, for one, would love that a lot!!! :)
ildico1 8 months ago
@ildico1 No question about quality! From what I have seen, Ed is a perfectionist. If he did a solo project, I would definitely check it out.
ReneeRycher 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher Absolutely!
ildico1 8 months ago
@ReneeRycher Would be interesting seeing him collaborate with someone like Glenn Hughes. If Glenn would let him play bass that is. :p
j800r 8 months ago