@dreamgirlz96 No, Casey is a child murderer, we dont and never will know the reason why or if Lizzie killed her parents. Don't ever compare a child abuser, molester, or murderer, to any other type of criminal. Those people have a very special place in hell!
obviously you dont know anything about the case you just want to convict some one of a crime without any ability to substantiate your claim. either you are a puritan or a Victorian murder mystery goth- if the latter still the former.
common sense and education says innocent until proven guilty
@poosaypirate Lizzie was proved to be guilty, but not beyond a reasonable doubt. There is overwhelming circumstantial evidence against her. O.J. Simpson was also proved to be guilty, though not beyond a reasonable doubt, and so he was acquitted too.
"obviously you dont know anything about the case you just want to convict some one of a crime without any ability to substantiate your claim."
@poosaypirate The only thing I've repeated is my suggestion that you actually look up the facts. And I'll do it again. Look up the facts because you look stupid.
if others claim to have been in the barn the ngiht before but the police claim the dust was undisturbed then the police testimony does not hold water.
If the killer were in a frenzied rage, you would expect there to be more wounds on the body, but all of Andrew's wounds were to his head. All but one of Abby's wounds were to her head also, the only exception being a wound to her neck. That suggests to me that there were so many blows because the killer wanted to make damn sure the victims didn't survive.
Because Maggie was lying down at the time of the murders. She felt sick. In the movie "The legend of lizzie borden" Lizzie gives Maggie permission to lie down, giving her time to commit the murders.
@NinePlanetzFilmz2 The murders occurred over an hour apart. Maggie was most likely outside washing windows when Abby was killed. Lizzie wouldn't have had to kill Maggie at the same time she killed Andrew and Abby. I don't know of any reason why Lizzie couldn't have walked up to Maggie's room and killed her while she was lying down.
@NinePlanetzFilmz2 giving her time to POTENTIALLY commit the murders, remember she was exonerated.
there are many other suspects and no real evidence here.
there was a male guest in the house the night before an angry bitter illegitimate son who later confessed to the murders - who himself was mysteriously hanged with poison at his feet, and angry business colleagues of Andrew Borden. this case is unsolved, and just because Lizzie MAY have had a motive it doesnt prove guilt.
@poosaypirate "MAY" have had a motive? She inherited a huge fortune when her father died. The male house guest was John Morse, Lizzie's uncle, not Andrew's illegitimate son. Lizzie tried to buy poison the day before the murders. A few days after the murders, she burned the dress she wore that day. The murders occurred over an hour apart, which means that the killer either left & came back, or stayed hidden in the house. Emma had an alibi. Who told you that Andrew's son confessed to the murders?
@KayBeeEee1983 H E L L O!!! ARE YOU READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS THAT BAD? I LISTED ALL POTENTIAL SUSPECTS; JOHN MORSE **AND** THE ILLIGITMATE SON the one who wrote the letter of confession, who also worked as a wood chopper with an ax.
the dress she burnt was claimed to have had paint on it, painters were IN THE HOUSE AND PAINTED IT and her sister and neighbor both observed her burn that dress.- I SAID can you PROVE Emmas alibi?- what the cleaning lady, just suffered food poisoning
@poosaypirate then still forced to clean the windows, living in a house with two bitch daughters could get on the nerves, the Irish were known to have been treated like shit at that time by the other European setters as well- and really, Lizzies alabi, that she was in the barn eating pears doesnt really add up as suspicious ( even on a VERY hot summer day, as the police suspected that was odd- since the rest of the family were eating FIVE DAY OLD ROTTEN MUTTON SOUP !!!! ( you wanna eat that?)
Respond to this video... as for her inconsistent testimonies lets not forget the fact that her doctor had her drugged on morpheme THE WHOLE TIME after the murders and during court testimony.
( maybe that should explain some of her " coolness" to those who wish to persecute without evidence
Also, WHY does the couch on which the father was murdered appear in PERFECT condition in the photos.
not one scratch, mar , nick or cut on the delicate satin fabric on that couch
"WHY does the couch on which the father was murdered appear in PERFECT condition in the photos."
(1) there aren't any good pictures of the couch, (2) the killer aimed at Andrew's head/face and there was no struggle. Anyway, how is that even relevant?
"the Fall River Herald reported, centered on a "Portuguese laborer"
Morse and Sullivan never mention any "portuguese laborer" visiting the house that morning.
the Fall River Herald reported, centered on a "Portuguese laborer" who had visited the Borden home earlier in the morning and "asked for the wages due him," only to be told by Andrew Borden that he had no money and "to call later.Respond to this video...
Charles Gifford and Uriah Kirby reported seeing a strange man near the Borden house around eleven o'clock on the night before the murders. Dr. Benjamin Handfy testified that he saw a pale-faced young man on the sidewalk near 92 Second Street around 10:30 on August 4. A plumber and a gas fitter testified that in the day or two before the murders they had been in the Borden's barn loft, casting doubt on policeAssertions that Lizzie's alibi was suspect because dust in the loft appeared undisturbed.
@poosaypirate You never said anything about John Morse you stupid troll. Yes, Emma's alibi was proved. Why would anyone burn a dress that has paint on it? why wouldn't she just throw it away or give it to someone in need? Lizzie told the police that she went into the barn to look for lead for a sinker for fishing. She said she was in the barn for 15-20 minutes. If that were true, she would have passed out from the heat. Besides, there were no footprints in the barn. No one had been in the barn.
@poosaypirate There's a lot more proof than just "dead eyes". If you actually want to learn the facts about the case, go here: lizzieandrewborden[DOT]com/CrimeLibrary/Evidence.htm
The site also has trial testimonies, inquest testimonies, police statements, and trial transcripts.
Also, google "Fourteen Reasons to Believe Lizzie Murdered Her Parents"
In addition to the Lizzie Borden story the book I mentioned below also looks at the cases of the Lindbergh baby, Jon Benet Ramsey, Jack the Ripper, OJ and The Zodiac killer, for those interested
There is a book out called "The Cases That Haunt Us" by former FBI John Douglas, who is considered the pioneer of criminal profiling. He gives a compelling case as to why he thinks Lizzie Borden was guilty. He discusses all of the questions and comments posted here such as her relationship with Andrew and Abby, Emma. the maid, half brother William, kleptomania, the poison, the dress, the alibis....everything. One interesting fact is that the murders were an hour and a half apart.
@ctstanley Wow, your old man must be fucking old to be her "ancestor"! Was your old man her grandfather? Her great grandfather? Her great great grandfather? And how are you so relatively young if you're a direct descendant of her ancestor?!?!?!?!
@BLUDDYknucklez My Hubbys 4th great grandfather was Lizzy bordens uncle You don't need to be rude he they are his ancestors according to his family Gail Borden was his 4th great great grandfather he owned Bordens Dairy and why do you need to be cussing someone should wash your mouth out with soap and no we are not old I am 34 grow up
@ctstanley Well do you know what the difference between an ancestor and a descendant is? And "old man" usually means your father, so it wouldn't make any chronological sense for him to be an ancestor of Lizzy if you are only 34. Use a dictionary before making such statements.
@BLUDDYknucklez No Old man can also mean husband EX. My old man is cutting the grass... and my great grandmother is my ancestor I think you need to grow up and get a life it seems you must spend a lot of time talking bad to ppl on the net so before you go talking crap how about you get a life your probably some old man with no friends and that is why you take so much time to talk bad on youtube GROW UP
@ctstanley Haha calm down and take it down a notch. I was just trying to correct your vocabulary, because you erroneously used the word "ancestor" instead of "descendant". An ancestor is someone that came before you, as in a predecessor; whereas a descendant is someone who came after you, as in progeny. SMILE :)
There are a lot of errors in this show. Lizzie was not a big spender who wanted a rich life and was not knows as a thief or shoplifter. No one at the time ever spoke of Lizzie as having a sexual relationship with her father. The maid's real name was Bridget, not Maggie (a nickname used by Lizzie). Police never saw the dress that Lizzie burned. Read a good book about the case for the facts.
My mother was ordering a book for me through the fall river historical society, and she talked on the phone to the New England goodness named Michael Martins.
I always beleived that sister emma did the crime, I mean why else after all that would she leave poor lizzy alone! plus the fact that the two never married the whole time living with there parents, that was the step mother holding them back, whispering sweet nothings into daddy's ears to prevent there future
@jeyrod1 Impossible, since apparently Emma was twenty miles away at the time and tons of people verify her alibi. Hence why she was never considered a serious suspect.
Andrew kept the family very isolated, there's been speculation that he may have sexually abused Lizzie and perhaps Emma too. Women had less opportunity and pretty much no rights back then. If Lizzie did do the crime, like many who commit domestic homicides, she never reoffended.
Gina Grant, was not turned down b/c she killed her mother. She lied at the interview, when asked about her mother she told Harvard officials that her mother died in an accident. In most countries y/o records are destroyed once the offender has served their time and is no longer indebted to the state. In the US these records are "sealed" which means this information could leak out in the future, as per Gina's case. Gina killed her mother b/c she was abusive to Gina.
I had been told from someone who has been at the house and learned all about Lizzie Borden's crimes in her actual home that it was really her sister her was crazy because, her father was going to expose her and Lizzie both of being Lesbians. Sorry, I can not prove this as fact but interesting eh?~
My great uncle told my older brother he and Lizzy went steady when she was sixteen. After a Saturday night party in Fall River one winter night Uncle Tolliver walked Lizzy home. He continued that they stopped by the barn and went inside - then, he said, he fingered her til she orgasmed but she wouldn't let him fuck her. True story. He claimed she was very attractive and even though she'd play with his dick she would not go all the way.
To murder anyone with an axe (or hatchet) would take a serious amount of hard heartedness. To do it in your own home, with your parents as victims, would be the act of someone seriously deranged or sociopathic and there is no evidence that Lizzie was either of these, even if her behaviour was very sanguine after the murders. I don't think she wielded the weapon , but, like Arnold R. Brown I believe she had a hand in it somewhere.
There may have not been enough evidence to know for certain she was guilty, but when you read about this case, the motives, behavior, and testimonial accounts strongly suggest it was her doing.
Anyone can be accused of anything. It does not mean they did it. In my life I have been accused of two serious deeds, which i did not do. It has given me an entirely new view on "the accused". I take nothing at face value
This was good. I know that Emma showed up after the murders, but could she have snuck in, killed them, left to clean up and come back like she hadn't been there? I have always wondered
There's a story that some years after the murders, a deliveryman delivered a wooden crate to Lizzie Borden's house. He couldn't get it open and Lizzie said she would get a hatchet to help open it. The man freaked and ran off.
This is what happen, Lizzy took off her clothes while she did the murders, then would wash, then put her clothes back on. When her Dad came home she sent the maid to take a nap....the maids room was on the 3rd floor, She then went to the basement and took off her clothes again...she then came back up to kill her Dad. That is why she was never found with blood on her.
the maids photo she looks lquite a lot ike lizzie if you hit someone over and over with an axe it would not be quiet the maid was in the house when both murders occured and if lizzie was the axe wielding person she would be covered in blood
@Ajwmsaguitarman : I hear the house is now a bed and breakfast cashing in on it's infamous reputation. What a creepy experience it would be to stay overnight on the anniversary of the murders.
I thought Lizzie was laughing because the maid cursed because she had trouble getting the door open for the father, Lizzie just happened to be at the top of the stairs, IDK, that's what I heard several times
My great-grandpa grew up in the same place where Lizzie grew up. I only met my great-grandpa once and he said the she stole money from his grandfather shop.
I recently worked with a dude at my video store that was an ancestor of the Borden family. He was very bizarre and unusual, I was so scared I never turned my back on him. I have no doubt Lizzie is guilty, how did she get off
In those days the juries were comprised of men only and none of them believed a member of the "fairer sex" could possibly be guilty of murder, esp since she was also the daughter of a prominent wealthy family.
i heard tht demon took ovr her body and killed her mother and her father *loved ones i guess* then she figured out wat she had done i guess she didnt want anything to happen and once she died the demon took ovr her soul i guezz and stayed in the place now called the lizzie borden hotel or watever so yea...
Frugal is not a bad thing. I can't say how many times i've heard this story and still to this day wonder if it was her... why did they not see blood on her dress? The murderer should have been splattered with blood from the number of blows alone.
She burned the dress she wore the day of the murders! Why else would she burn her dress? To get rid of the evidence! Not to mention a hatchet was found at the crime scene, and before the murders took place, she tried to purchase a poison! Its pretty clear that she was guilty.
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well i dont really blame her.. cuz you dont kno how dey hadd treat her.... i kno i dont get special treatment so i cant really say nuttin badd... but still dnt kill
Well on Abby's you can barely see a puddle of dark liquid. And on Andrew's, it's on the bottom of his head, the arm of the couch, and on his jacket (wich lizzie put under his head after she supposely murdered him). She was naked when murdered him. She wore the jacket so she wouldn't get blood on her. She washed off after the murder, got on a new dress, and burned the other one. *phew* that's a lot of info!!! Thre's the story!!! ^^ your welcome.. =3
The Maid was Bridget Sullivan an Irish peasant that became a made at Andrew Borden's home for 3 years. That day her stomach wasnt feeling well, and she went up to her room to rest, when the clock struck 11 she heard Lizzie downstairs calling for her name that someone had killed her father.
@Junmi : I am surprised lizzy did not try to pin it on the Irish maid. Irish were not liked all that well in those days (ok....don't start sending me messages that I'm anti irish.....I am nearly 100% irish ancestry)
Everyone has a theory. We will never know for certain if she did or didn't kill them. Common sense tells us she "probably did" even though she was acquitted, and it makes for a spookier story anyway.
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Not quite like OJ, there buddy. Lizzie came from a time no one believed a woman of a wealthy family could do such a thing. Naive!
OJ got let off because EVERYBODY believed "a black man did it," even when there were no black men around. But if we charge a black man with a crime he DID commit, the World will know how racist the home of the "free" really is!!
@pookeeeee That may be true but he fact is, there was not enough evidence to convict her of the murders, & plenty of evidence which created reasonable doubt.
I read a book on this topic and these people were odd. One of the strange things was the house layout. The upper floor had absolutely no hallways. To get from one room to another, you have to pass through different rooms. It was an odd way to live.
Her parents divided the house, the relationship between the young and the old generation in this family wasnt good, they barely eat together. Whick makes me believe more that it was Lizzie who killed them
I Live In Fall River MA. about 5 mins from the bordens house. it's a bed & breakfast now, and 1 of the most scariest places on earth. i never been personaly, but i have a friend that wroks there, and doors slam, when you walk by the couch you can feel mr borden touch your sholder, she's encounted a manofestaion (a ghost revailing itself) also and she said it was mrs. borden in the loundry. when i heard this i was like " yea, you won't catch me in there " lol in my opinon, she did
i think lizzie did do it because she was seen burning her blue dress. i have also had to read into this because im doing it for my gcse drama piece and im not looking forward to the night as on of my friends is playing lizzie and she can't get in the role but my whole drama group think she did it because her father was leaving everything to her stepmother. and that is why she killed them or she just thought it would be fun to kill them.
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i think lizzy was out chopping wood when her step mom approached her just then the ax slipped out of her hand and accidently hit her in the head, un-detered lizzy kept choping wood but was so nervous it kept slipping out of her hand and hitting her step mom in the head, as for her dad, that was just swamp gas which refracted the light of venus that then caught the eye of a magnifying glass setting her dress on fire..... case solved oh and her dad was killed by some local minority.
In my opinion, she did it and got away with it, because, as was said in the film, no one thought a woman could have committed such murders. Lucky Lizzie. Or was she? It couldn't have been nice to be beyond the pale.
Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave her mother forty whacks. When she saw what she had done she gave her father forty one...
BlueCircleScotland 2 weeks ago
Lizzy Borden...I'd hit it 40 times
m00nEater 3 weeks ago
Casey Anthony in another life?
dreamgirlz96 2 months ago 2
@dreamgirlz96 No, Casey is a child murderer, we dont and never will know the reason why or if Lizzie killed her parents. Don't ever compare a child abuser, molester, or murderer, to any other type of criminal. Those people have a very special place in hell!
dirths 2 weeks ago
Amazing that no one ever smiled back then. They also look un washed and older than their age.
NFitalianGuy 3 months ago
@NFitalianGuy That is because photographs at that time took 15 to 20 minutes to take.
thEannoyingE 1 month ago
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guitaristgirltc4fy 4 months ago
obviously you dont know anything about the case you just want to convict some one of a crime without any ability to substantiate your claim. either you are a puritan or a Victorian murder mystery goth- if the latter still the former.
common sense and education says innocent until proven guilty
if so , she would not have been exonerated
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate thats the sign of a free and democratic country be glad you dont live in Syria or Africa
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate Lizzie was proved to be guilty, but not beyond a reasonable doubt. There is overwhelming circumstantial evidence against her. O.J. Simpson was also proved to be guilty, though not beyond a reasonable doubt, and so he was acquitted too.
"obviously you dont know anything about the case you just want to convict some one of a crime without any ability to substantiate your claim."
I suggest you research the facts of the case.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 BLA BLA BLA:
YOU JUST KEEP REPEATING YOURSELF
YOU STILL HAVE ALOT TO ANSWER FOR: IM NOT TYPING THAT ALL OVER AGAIN THERES A LIST OF POTENTIAL SUSPECTS
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate The only thing I've repeated is my suggestion that you actually look up the facts. And I'll do it again. Look up the facts because you look stupid.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 take your own advice freakza zilla you clearly dont know much about the case
poosaypirate 4 months ago
if others claim to have been in the barn the ngiht before but the police claim the dust was undisturbed then the police testimony does not hold water.
poosaypirate 4 months ago
the maid did it
wickedodd12345 4 months ago
If the killer were in a frenzied rage, you would expect there to be more wounds on the body, but all of Andrew's wounds were to his head. All but one of Abby's wounds were to her head also, the only exception being a wound to her neck. That suggests to me that there were so many blows because the killer wanted to make damn sure the victims didn't survive.
KayBeeEee1983 6 months ago in playlist Lizzie Borden
I wonder why Lizzie didn't kill Maggie too, just to eliminate witnesses.
KayBeeEee1983 6 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983
Because Maggie was lying down at the time of the murders. She felt sick. In the movie "The legend of lizzie borden" Lizzie gives Maggie permission to lie down, giving her time to commit the murders.
NinePlanetzFilmz2 5 months ago
@NinePlanetzFilmz2 The murders occurred over an hour apart. Maggie was most likely outside washing windows when Abby was killed. Lizzie wouldn't have had to kill Maggie at the same time she killed Andrew and Abby. I don't know of any reason why Lizzie couldn't have walked up to Maggie's room and killed her while she was lying down.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@NinePlanetzFilmz2 giving her time to POTENTIALLY commit the murders, remember she was exonerated.
there are many other suspects and no real evidence here.
there was a male guest in the house the night before an angry bitter illegitimate son who later confessed to the murders - who himself was mysteriously hanged with poison at his feet, and angry business colleagues of Andrew Borden. this case is unsolved, and just because Lizzie MAY have had a motive it doesnt prove guilt.
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate "MAY" have had a motive? She inherited a huge fortune when her father died. The male house guest was John Morse, Lizzie's uncle, not Andrew's illegitimate son. Lizzie tried to buy poison the day before the murders. A few days after the murders, she burned the dress she wore that day. The murders occurred over an hour apart, which means that the killer either left & came back, or stayed hidden in the house. Emma had an alibi. Who told you that Andrew's son confessed to the murders?
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 H E L L O!!! ARE YOU READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS THAT BAD? I LISTED ALL POTENTIAL SUSPECTS; JOHN MORSE **AND** THE ILLIGITMATE SON the one who wrote the letter of confession, who also worked as a wood chopper with an ax.
the dress she burnt was claimed to have had paint on it, painters were IN THE HOUSE AND PAINTED IT and her sister and neighbor both observed her burn that dress.- I SAID can you PROVE Emmas alibi?- what the cleaning lady, just suffered food poisoning
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate then still forced to clean the windows, living in a house with two bitch daughters could get on the nerves, the Irish were known to have been treated like shit at that time by the other European setters as well- and really, Lizzies alabi, that she was in the barn eating pears doesnt really add up as suspicious ( even on a VERY hot summer day, as the police suspected that was odd- since the rest of the family were eating FIVE DAY OLD ROTTEN MUTTON SOUP !!!! ( you wanna eat that?)
poosaypirate 4 months ago
Respond to this video... as for the admission from the illigiatme brother then Google it, somebody didnt TELL me it
poosaypirate 4 months ago
Respond to this video... as for her inconsistent testimonies lets not forget the fact that her doctor had her drugged on morpheme THE WHOLE TIME after the murders and during court testimony.
( maybe that should explain some of her " coolness" to those who wish to persecute without evidence
Also, WHY does the couch on which the father was murdered appear in PERFECT condition in the photos.
not one scratch, mar , nick or cut on the delicate satin fabric on that couch
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate Lizzie didn't testify in court.
"WHY does the couch on which the father was murdered appear in PERFECT condition in the photos."
(1) there aren't any good pictures of the couch, (2) the killer aimed at Andrew's head/face and there was no struggle. Anyway, how is that even relevant?
"the Fall River Herald reported, centered on a "Portuguese laborer"
Morse and Sullivan never mention any "portuguese laborer" visiting the house that morning.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 YOU GOT ALOT MORE TO ANSWER KID
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate I gave you two places to go if you want the facts, troll.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
Respond to this video... even the bed by which MRS BORDEN was murdered was in perfect order as well as the side board next to it
poosaypirate 4 months ago
the Fall River Herald reported, centered on a "Portuguese laborer" who had visited the Borden home earlier in the morning and "asked for the wages due him," only to be told by Andrew Borden that he had no money and "to call later.Respond to this video...
poosaypirate 4 months ago
Respond to this video... go here law2(dot)umkc(dot)edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/LizzieBorden/bordenaccount.html
poosaypirate 4 months ago
Charles Gifford and Uriah Kirby reported seeing a strange man near the Borden house around eleven o'clock on the night before the murders. Dr. Benjamin Handfy testified that he saw a pale-faced young man on the sidewalk near 92 Second Street around 10:30 on August 4. A plumber and a gas fitter testified that in the day or two before the murders they had been in the Borden's barn loft, casting doubt on policeAssertions that Lizzie's alibi was suspect because dust in the loft appeared undisturbed.
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate You never said anything about John Morse you stupid troll. Yes, Emma's alibi was proved. Why would anyone burn a dress that has paint on it? why wouldn't she just throw it away or give it to someone in need? Lizzie told the police that she went into the barn to look for lead for a sinker for fishing. She said she was in the barn for 15-20 minutes. If that were true, she would have passed out from the heat. Besides, there were no footprints in the barn. No one had been in the barn.
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 other people were also in the barn i just wrote that, and i also wrote about John Morse
you obviously dont read carefully or focus, you are something like Nancy Grace,
you waste my time
bye
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 you dont know it was lizzie
poosaypirate 4 months ago
I don't know if it's because I've concluded that she's a psycho, but it seems like Lizzie has dead eyes in just about every picture of her.
KayBeeEee1983 6 months ago in playlist Lizzie Borden
@KayBeeEee1983 "dead eyes" are not proof of murder. all Victorians looked freaky in photos
poosaypirate 4 months ago
@poosaypirate There's a lot more proof than just "dead eyes". If you actually want to learn the facts about the case, go here: lizzieandrewborden[DOT]com/CrimeLibrary/Evidence.htm
The site also has trial testimonies, inquest testimonies, police statements, and trial transcripts.
Also, google "Fourteen Reasons to Believe Lizzie Murdered Her Parents"
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 crimelibrary is not found sorry
poosaypirate 4 months ago
In addition to the Lizzie Borden story the book I mentioned below also looks at the cases of the Lindbergh baby, Jon Benet Ramsey, Jack the Ripper, OJ and The Zodiac killer, for those interested
smbvancouver 7 months ago
There is a book out called "The Cases That Haunt Us" by former FBI John Douglas, who is considered the pioneer of criminal profiling. He gives a compelling case as to why he thinks Lizzie Borden was guilty. He discusses all of the questions and comments posted here such as her relationship with Andrew and Abby, Emma. the maid, half brother William, kleptomania, the poison, the dress, the alibis....everything. One interesting fact is that the murders were an hour and a half apart.
smbvancouver 7 months ago
@smbvancouver I'm reading this book right now. Very good book indeed.
joeperryhotashell 3 months ago
Emma was not there when it happen
wickedodd12345 7 months ago
Damn that is ONE HOT CURATOR
mfentruck 8 months ago 10
@mfentruck
Michael Martins is hot :o)
markxxx21 3 months ago
@markxxx21
He is so freaking hot! :-) I want to perv on him
mfentruck 2 months ago
Wow my old man is an ancester of hers this is crazy WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
ctstanley 9 months ago
@ctstanley Wow, your old man must be fucking old to be her "ancestor"! Was your old man her grandfather? Her great grandfather? Her great great grandfather? And how are you so relatively young if you're a direct descendant of her ancestor?!?!?!?!
BLUDDYknucklez 8 months ago
@BLUDDYknucklez My Hubbys 4th great grandfather was Lizzy bordens uncle You don't need to be rude he they are his ancestors according to his family Gail Borden was his 4th great great grandfather he owned Bordens Dairy and why do you need to be cussing someone should wash your mouth out with soap and no we are not old I am 34 grow up
ctstanley 8 months ago
@ctstanley Well do you know what the difference between an ancestor and a descendant is? And "old man" usually means your father, so it wouldn't make any chronological sense for him to be an ancestor of Lizzy if you are only 34. Use a dictionary before making such statements.
BLUDDYknucklez 8 months ago
@BLUDDYknucklez No Old man can also mean husband EX. My old man is cutting the grass... and my great grandmother is my ancestor I think you need to grow up and get a life it seems you must spend a lot of time talking bad to ppl on the net so before you go talking crap how about you get a life your probably some old man with no friends and that is why you take so much time to talk bad on youtube GROW UP
ctstanley 8 months ago
@ctstanley Haha calm down and take it down a notch. I was just trying to correct your vocabulary, because you erroneously used the word "ancestor" instead of "descendant". An ancestor is someone that came before you, as in a predecessor; whereas a descendant is someone who came after you, as in progeny. SMILE :)
BLUDDYknucklez 8 months ago
Lizzie did look a bit nuts. Crazy eyes
EffLabels 9 months ago
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SesaaaJulieaa766 9 months ago
lmao, that lizzie was one crazy bitch.
blackbarbiie89 10 months ago
'Very' un-suspicious looking.
027220 10 months ago
"Yo, don't make me axe you again."
Sevigny70 10 months ago
William Borden, half-brother of Lizzie, was the killer.
baire702 10 months ago
this guys voice is almost as great as Robert Stack
KillingJoke696 11 months ago
There are a lot of errors in this show. Lizzie was not a big spender who wanted a rich life and was not knows as a thief or shoplifter. No one at the time ever spoke of Lizzie as having a sexual relationship with her father. The maid's real name was Bridget, not Maggie (a nickname used by Lizzie). Police never saw the dress that Lizzie burned. Read a good book about the case for the facts.
ghostframer 1 year ago
yo, that lizzie broad looked crazy as hell
te4888 1 year ago 9
My mother was ordering a book for me through the fall river historical society, and she talked on the phone to the New England goodness named Michael Martins.
He was very helpful and thoughtful.
emmers57 1 year ago
thats one scary looking power dyke
laforest66 1 year ago
omfg, Lizzie & Sullivan look nothing alike! Why do people keep saying that? lol
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago
The door seperating lizzie's room from her parents, was not just locked, it was nailed shut!
emmers57 1 year ago
I always beleived that sister emma did the crime, I mean why else after all that would she leave poor lizzy alone! plus the fact that the two never married the whole time living with there parents, that was the step mother holding them back, whispering sweet nothings into daddy's ears to prevent there future
jeyrod1 1 year ago
@jeyrod1 Impossible, since apparently Emma was twenty miles away at the time and tons of people verify her alibi. Hence why she was never considered a serious suspect.
dmarkwith 1 year ago
Andrew kept the family very isolated, there's been speculation that he may have sexually abused Lizzie and perhaps Emma too. Women had less opportunity and pretty much no rights back then. If Lizzie did do the crime, like many who commit domestic homicides, she never reoffended.
Muirmaiden 1 year ago 3
@Muirmaiden Speculation is one thing, facts are another.
Frenchloprabbit 1 year ago
@Frenchloprabbit Emma wasn't there. She couldn't have done it.
alexthecat45 5 months ago
@alexthecat45 can you prove that she wasnt there? her trip could have been faked.
poosaypirate 4 months ago
forensic evidence once again failed =/.
halkiphulkiben 1 year ago
very disturbing.... >.<!
halkiphulkiben 1 year ago
i recently learned that a man named joseph did it. through a seance mrs borden said so.
starrfisher 1 year ago
Judge a book by it's cover! You know you want to!
MenstrualFire 1 year ago
Gina Grant, was not turned down b/c she killed her mother. She lied at the interview, when asked about her mother she told Harvard officials that her mother died in an accident. In most countries y/o records are destroyed once the offender has served their time and is no longer indebted to the state. In the US these records are "sealed" which means this information could leak out in the future, as per Gina's case. Gina killed her mother b/c she was abusive to Gina.
MrTrinidaddy1 1 year ago
I had been told from someone who has been at the house and learned all about Lizzie Borden's crimes in her actual home that it was really her sister her was crazy because, her father was going to expose her and Lizzie both of being Lesbians. Sorry, I can not prove this as fact but interesting eh?~
TheJohnlennongirl 1 year ago
damn, to do something like that... she really must have hate her parents....
black4pienus 1 year ago
My great uncle told my older brother he and Lizzy went steady when she was sixteen. After a Saturday night party in Fall River one winter night Uncle Tolliver walked Lizzy home. He continued that they stopped by the barn and went inside - then, he said, he fingered her til she orgasmed but she wouldn't let him fuck her. True story. He claimed she was very attractive and even though she'd play with his dick she would not go all the way.
dewaynecullen 1 year ago
lizzie was a dyke
fuckoff187 1 year ago
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TheFutureUnquiet 1 year ago
@TheFutureUnquiet possibly, but i cant imagine what...
raynard88666 1 year ago
@raynard88666 The "Titanic" sank in 1912.
TheFutureUnquiet 1 year ago
To murder anyone with an axe (or hatchet) would take a serious amount of hard heartedness. To do it in your own home, with your parents as victims, would be the act of someone seriously deranged or sociopathic and there is no evidence that Lizzie was either of these, even if her behaviour was very sanguine after the murders. I don't think she wielded the weapon , but, like Arnold R. Brown I believe she had a hand in it somewhere.
20callenderslady 1 year ago
Eating pears out in the barn? That's the most ridiculous alibi I've ever heard. No way that will work.
andan04 1 year ago
Lizzy bought her way out.
There may have not been enough evidence to know for certain she was guilty, but when you read about this case, the motives, behavior, and testimonial accounts strongly suggest it was her doing.
newfful 1 year ago
Anyone can be accused of anything. It does not mean they did it. In my life I have been accused of two serious deeds, which i did not do. It has given me an entirely new view on "the accused". I take nothing at face value
inkey2 1 year ago 2
This was good. I know that Emma showed up after the murders, but could she have snuck in, killed them, left to clean up and come back like she hadn't been there? I have always wondered
sdavenport1981 1 year ago
i live in fall river
candyXlynn 1 year ago
She has insane eyes, she was obviously deranged.
skylur44 1 year ago
There's a story that some years after the murders, a deliveryman delivered a wooden crate to Lizzie Borden's house. He couldn't get it open and Lizzie said she would get a hatchet to help open it. The man freaked and ran off.
zooeyhall 1 year ago
I read she was bipolar or had some sort of mental illness, even if she did love her father she could have had an "episode" and lost control.
akrrocks 1 year ago
I feel bad for Abby I read how she tried so hard to to win Emma and Lizzie's love when she married Andrew at age 36.
TudorRose85 1 year ago
This is what happen, Lizzy took off her clothes while she did the murders, then would wash, then put her clothes back on. When her Dad came home she sent the maid to take a nap....the maids room was on the 3rd floor, She then went to the basement and took off her clothes again...she then came back up to kill her Dad. That is why she was never found with blood on her.
dejacook16 1 year ago
gosh Im so curious to know who did it!!! I think it was lizzie idk I just have a strong feeling she did it...
TawnyaTee 2 years ago
@TawnyaTee she did. im related to her from andrew. so its been passed down to generation to generation.
SuperAshCash 1 year ago
the maids photo she looks lquite a lot ike lizzie if you hit someone over and over with an axe it would not be quiet the maid was in the house when both murders occured and if lizzie was the axe wielding person she would be covered in blood
dragonguardians 2 years ago
that maids photo she looks a lot like lizzie bordan
dragonguardians 2 years ago
Why wasn't Lizzy covered in blood? How did she change clothes and hide them and the murder weapon while Sullivan was in the house?
Why doesn't anyone think that Sullivan was involved? She was in the house for both murders and never heard anything? Really?
AcaiBunch 2 years ago
look at her eyes in the photo.....it looks like she almost has down syndome type eyes
inkey2 2 years ago
It's almost certain that Lizzie committed the murders. She had the motive for it.
farmerne 2 years ago
Hahaha!!!
IL0VESAL08 2 years ago
i live near fall river and have been in the house!
Ajwmsaguitarman 2 years ago
@Ajwmsaguitarman : I hear the house is now a bed and breakfast cashing in on it's infamous reputation. What a creepy experience it would be to stay overnight on the anniversary of the murders.
inkey2 2 years ago
@inkey2 Amen to that. I wouldn't stay there for anything. Hell, I'd never even set foot on the friggin' property. Yes, I am a coward.
rem2267 1 year ago
@rem2267 as they used to say in the old hippy days.....yeh man, that place has some bad Karma go'in on
inkey2 1 year ago
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she burned the dress because she was on her monthly thing.we will never know who really killed them.
schrei1993 2 years ago
Did anyone stop to think Mr & Mrs Borden might have fallen on an ax that someone else was holding? Clear to me it was an honest accident!
glawsny 2 years ago
Indeed, why would somebody put the blame on poor Lizzie?
MrHornyWii 2 years ago
@glawsny haha well duh!
Celestial15 2 years ago
I thought Lizzie was laughing because the maid cursed because she had trouble getting the door open for the father, Lizzie just happened to be at the top of the stairs, IDK, that's what I heard several times
ITZM3BYTCH09 2 years ago
...i just don't believe she did it period
ITZM3BYTCH09 2 years ago
Michael Martins is quite handsome!
itkapatanka 2 years ago 20
@itkapatanka thats my uncle lol
candyXlynn 1 year ago
@itkapatanka LOL, sometimes I watch the Lizzie Borden documentaries just to catch a glimpse of him!
emlodik 1 year ago
@emlodik idiot
John22133 10 months ago
@John22133 Shut your mouth, you stupid bitch.
emlodik 10 months ago
@emlodik Okay, no problem..you chicken shit pussy asshole. Bye
John22133 10 months ago
you know im related to her from my fathers side.
TheBrye1 2 years ago
My great-grandpa grew up in the same place where Lizzie grew up. I only met my great-grandpa once and he said the she stole money from his grandfather shop.
Iperogie 2 years ago
=) Thanks for posting!
LizzieBorden9898 2 years ago
I recently worked with a dude at my video store that was an ancestor of the Borden family. He was very bizarre and unusual, I was so scared I never turned my back on him. I have no doubt Lizzie is guilty, how did she get off
krazykesser 2 years ago
she had money for a good defense lawyer..she was guilty she gave conflicting statements to the police..LOTS Of evidence she was guilty
Blaspherian666 2 years ago
In those days the juries were comprised of men only and none of them believed a member of the "fairer sex" could possibly be guilty of murder, esp since she was also the daughter of a prominent wealthy family.
skylur44 2 years ago 5
@skylur44 : totally agree with you
inkey2 2 years ago 2
i heard tht demon took ovr her body and killed her mother and her father *loved ones i guess* then she figured out wat she had done i guess she didnt want anything to happen and once she died the demon took ovr her soul i guezz and stayed in the place now called the lizzie borden hotel or watever so yea...
sk8ergal4747 2 years ago
Huh?...
Deradundrum 2 years ago
That Fall River curator, MIchael Martins, is SO cute!
musicaltheatergeek79 2 years ago 10
im sleeping at her house tonight.
shanSTRAIGHTforward 2 years ago 3
Frugal is not a bad thing. I can't say how many times i've heard this story and still to this day wonder if it was her... why did they not see blood on her dress? The murderer should have been splattered with blood from the number of blows alone.
adarkenedmind 2 years ago
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loner1878 2 years ago
Easy, she changed clothes. Remember she was seen burning a dress.
loner1878 2 years ago
uh she had a shyster lawyer who got it dismissed?
Blaspherian666 2 years ago
She burned the dress she wore the day of the murders! Why else would she burn her dress? To get rid of the evidence! Not to mention a hatchet was found at the crime scene, and before the murders took place, she tried to purchase a poison! Its pretty clear that she was guilty.
joeperryhotashell 2 years ago 4
LIzzie Borden was a crook, a murderer, and she was ugly
archuletarox123 2 years ago
@archuletarox123 Thanks for sharing.
rem2267 1 year ago
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YAY!!!! LIZZIE BORDEN!!!!!!!! i love lizzie b.!! as you can tell by my user name!!!
LizzieBorden9898 2 years ago
thanx
anarchistdoll86 2 years ago
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well i dont really blame her.. cuz you dont kno how dey hadd treat her.... i kno i dont get special treatment so i cant really say nuttin badd... but still dnt kill
akeem10771 2 years ago
i live near fall river
wolfblood11 2 years ago
where is all the blood in the crime scene photos??? that just seems a little odd to me!
anarchistdoll86 2 years ago
Well on Abby's you can barely see a puddle of dark liquid. And on Andrew's, it's on the bottom of his head, the arm of the couch, and on his jacket (wich lizzie put under his head after she supposely murdered him). She was naked when murdered him. She wore the jacket so she wouldn't get blood on her. She washed off after the murder, got on a new dress, and burned the other one. *phew* that's a lot of info!!! Thre's the story!!! ^^ your welcome.. =3
xxXSuigintou75Xxx 2 years ago 4
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xxXSuigintou75Xxx 2 years ago
I am still confused about the maid.She was in the house the whole time and saw nothing.......
grainne62 2 years ago
The Maid was Bridget Sullivan an Irish peasant that became a made at Andrew Borden's home for 3 years. That day her stomach wasnt feeling well, and she went up to her room to rest, when the clock struck 11 she heard Lizzie downstairs calling for her name that someone had killed her father.
Junmi 2 years ago 2
@Junmi : I am surprised lizzy did not try to pin it on the Irish maid. Irish were not liked all that well in those days (ok....don't start sending me messages that I'm anti irish.....I am nearly 100% irish ancestry)
inkey2 2 years ago 3
Everyone has a theory. We will never know for certain if she did or didn't kill them. Common sense tells us she "probably did" even though she was acquitted, and it makes for a spookier story anyway.
pettigrewamanda 2 years ago 9
She got off scott free, just like OJ did.
pookeeeee 2 years ago 27
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Not quite like OJ, there buddy. Lizzie came from a time no one believed a woman of a wealthy family could do such a thing. Naive!
OJ got let off because EVERYBODY believed "a black man did it," even when there were no black men around. But if we charge a black man with a crime he DID commit, the World will know how racist the home of the "free" really is!!
Quick, who hates Muslims?
Anonymousse005 2 years ago
@pookeeeee That may be true but he fact is, there was not enough evidence to convict her of the murders, & plenty of evidence which created reasonable doubt.
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago
she did it plain and simple
kriccistarr 3 years ago 6
Wow you're amazing you solved the case. Please tell us now, who was Jack the Ripper.
kenfuscious 3 years ago 5
i am jack the ripper
Blaspherian666 2 years ago 4
I read a book on this topic and these people were odd. One of the strange things was the house layout. The upper floor had absolutely no hallways. To get from one room to another, you have to pass through different rooms. It was an odd way to live.
hooptastic1 3 years ago 3
Her parents divided the house, the relationship between the young and the old generation in this family wasnt good, they barely eat together. Whick makes me believe more that it was Lizzie who killed them
algore1993 2 years ago
I Live In Fall River MA. about 5 mins from the bordens house. it's a bed & breakfast now, and 1 of the most scariest places on earth. i never been personaly, but i have a friend that wroks there, and doors slam, when you walk by the couch you can feel mr borden touch your sholder, she's encounted a manofestaion (a ghost revailing itself) also and she said it was mrs. borden in the loundry. when i heard this i was like " yea, you won't catch me in there " lol in my opinon, she did
ThatPortugueseKid 3 years ago
i think lizzie did do it because she was seen burning her blue dress. i have also had to read into this because im doing it for my gcse drama piece and im not looking forward to the night as on of my friends is playing lizzie and she can't get in the role but my whole drama group think she did it because her father was leaving everything to her stepmother. and that is why she killed them or she just thought it would be fun to kill them.
erinmac07 3 years ago 2
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i think lizzy was out chopping wood when her step mom approached her just then the ax slipped out of her hand and accidently hit her in the head, un-detered lizzy kept choping wood but was so nervous it kept slipping out of her hand and hitting her step mom in the head, as for her dad, that was just swamp gas which refracted the light of venus that then caught the eye of a magnifying glass setting her dress on fire..... case solved oh and her dad was killed by some local minority.
00intrigue00 3 years ago
I'm guessing Borden was molested by her father and she lashed out.
Jackstowne 3 years ago
Wow she was related to Canada's 8th Prime Minister
NEWLOVE559 3 years ago
The amount of wounds does suggest anger towards the victims, which means it is doubtful that some hobo off the street did it. This was personal.
daintyfoxglove 3 years ago 5
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StanhopeDoug 3 years ago
i think lizzie did it they just didnt think she could cuz she was a woman but she was a big girl lol she could have handled it
pottheadprincess 3 years ago 2
excellent video.
In my opinion, she did it and got away with it, because, as was said in the film, no one thought a woman could have committed such murders. Lucky Lizzie. Or was she? It couldn't have been nice to be beyond the pale.
123writerlady 3 years ago 2
Seriously though- WHERE'S THE BLOOD? That's the most curious aspect to me.
5rey67trhtrhtry65765 3 years ago
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When I masturbate, it is to Bill Kurtis.
lucifersam9 3 years ago
Im glad im not the only one :D
00intrigue00 3 years ago
I have a house in Fall River, MA. I go there twice a year. Never been there.
Keagkid 3 years ago
i agree with that statement, where is all the blood in all the murder scene photos?
xbkc07 3 years ago 2