@NBA89VALEX DJ and Parish don't get into the Hall of Fame without Bird, simple as that, Parish even said so himself. DJ was kicked off the Suns and Sonics for being a trouble maker, I'm sure he would have been in the Hall if he went to the Clippers instead of the Celts, keep telling yourself that.
@KYwedvideos i am a big fan of BIRD and i don't know what did parish said,eventhough is very modest man,but parish was a very important player for this great celtics team,18p.11reb.2blocks,in his prime and had very long career!DJ was a great player before bird came to nba,do n't forget he led sheatle in their only champion and led suns in their best record until barkley!he might be a trouble maker but was great leader to,the same for machale!also had good role players like maxwell,walton,ainge.
The Pacers played the Lakers for the NBA championship in 2000. Larry Bird was the Pacers coach and he screwed us, the Pacers, by playing his buddy Chris Mullin over Jalen Rose. Mullin was a good player in his day with Golden State, but he was an old, washed up player with the Pacers. All Mullin did was get beat defensively and brick three pointers. Jalen was in his prime and could have helped slow down Kobe. Shame on you Bird!!!
larry bird was a very good defender.and whoever thinks that jordan dominated defensively then maybe he never saw him play.he was a good defender but he played passing lanes nearly throughout his career.pippen used to defend the best player on opposition while michael played the help role.remember the 91' finals.pippen defended magic and that was one of the main reasons why the bulls won.so i would rate bird and jordan equally.
@MrYourdaddyishere Yeah, MJ was a great one on one defender early in his career, had a lot of steals, would get burned a lot going for them, but was not nearly as good a overall and team defender that Pippen was.
@MrYourdaddyishere You are terrible at watching basketball. You have it backwards. Jordan was better man to man defender than Pippen, while Pippen was better off the ball. MJ guarded the best player on the other team most of his career, Pippen did that mainly in Bull's second threepeat when MJ was 33-35y and even at that age he was still dominant defender. That 91 Finals is a myth, Magic had better stats against Pippen than MJ. Magic is a clear mismatch to MJ, Pippen was better suited for him..
@Seanniieee it's what his first coach in the NBA thought about him and said in an interview. He said he didn't realize what sort of player he had in his camp until the 3rd week, when basically Larry knew everyone and everyone's tendencies and how to deal with them. Brains over physicality every time.
@Seanniieee its not a dumb title. that was what the people were actually saying back then. but i remembered the quote from old larry bird docu's as " He cant run, he cant jump, but he also cant be stopped"....something like that.
@Seanniieee I remember having a tape with Jordan, Bird and Johson. IIRC the title refers to the interview of Boston's then president who commented the draft (Bird) as a player who is white and 'Can't Jump, cannot run and he is not fast, why did we take him for?' ... And then proved to be the best ever made choice by Boston on the drafts.
The unfairness of the LA /Boston rivalry was this: Boston had to slug their way past physical teams like Philly, NY, Milwaukee and Detroit. "The problem with our rivalry is that the Lakers could be out there playing at 80% and still get to the finals, but we had to bang & scratch & beat our way to get there" Bird said. "It was just a fact the East was stronger & more physical, we were taking a huge beating on our way to the finals and the lakers were just sitting back, waiting for us to arrive."
What? Larry's Celtics, Magic's Lakers, and Mike's Bulls were all ridiculously stacked. Each had atleast three hall of famers. They all won championships. What's the argument?
@robertwilliams1966 Oh wait a minute, there's Dirk Snow White Nowitski, can I identify with him, ya think?! Oh shit, I'm a Celtic fan. My team is black as night and I cheer for them, just as loud, as I did for Bird's celtics. I know you hate Bird because he's white, but I also have videos that celebrate Rondo, DJ, Pierce, Reggie Lewis, etc and last I checked, they weren't white. You need help, hope you get it.
@robertwilliams1966 Damn, your a racist piece of shit aren't you? All I'm saying is Magic had 2 NBA players with him in college: Kelser and Vincent, Bird had no one on his ISU team. In the pros Magic had a top 5 player ever on his team Kareem and when you add magic, it's 2 of the top 5 players ever, so how can McHale compare to this. Not to mention Bird was playing injured in 85 and now cedric maxwell, in 87 entire celt teams was a mash unit. So it's obvious Bird did more with less.
@robertwilliams1966 Settle down Spike Lee, if anyone is a racist it’s you. I didn't bring up color like you bigots like to do. Its not my fault Bird schooled MJ until he was crying on the bench. What can I say about a slow white boy that swept MJ 2 years in a row & what does it say about MJ if he let Bird sweep him? Bird was a bad man, ask Magic & MJ & 50 other HoFers, people whose opinions count, not yours. If you met him on the court, he would have you whimpering in the corner for your momma.
Larry was one of the greatest basketball athletes of all-time. Consider his amazing hand eye coordination for anybody much less a man 6'9". Consider his incredible timing in any way on any given play whether it be rebounding, passing, defense, or clutch play. His soft touch for shooting or passing is awe inspiring. Some say Larry had inferior athletic ability because he didn't run fast or jump high. I beg to differ.
@hooperqi No kidding, he probably had the quickest and some of the strongest hands in the history of basketball, I never saw anyone rip the ball out of his hands. When you watch his perfect full court passes to teammates in stride, you'll know why Brady is the 2nd best QB ever to play in Boston
The thing that amazes me is that people don't count vision, quick reflexes, eye-hand coordination, and touch as "athletic" qualities---only jumping is athletic. Yeah, Bird hustled, but he was just better than you. He was gifted with more skills and he worked hard, that's why he was awesome.
@pats4lifebb I was in a Jazz club in Louisiana watching this house band play and some cats were "sitting in" on different instruments. The band's sax player was white and was playing an absolutely brilliant solo with great tone, note choices, etc... When he finished the audience hardly made a sound. Next to solo was another sax player, only this one was black. He proceded to take the most painfully bad ride over the same tune with no tone melody, or style. The audience went wild. Point Taken
@pats4lifebb -- I agree. I can't tell you how many times I've owned people in the Jordan vs. Bird debate and then they resort to the 'well you must be white.'
@FavreianVengeance Is there a debate? MJ was better in every catagory (especially defense) except court vision and Bird's uncanny instinct to deliver the ball at the right moment. Bird is top 5, no doubt...but MJ is the greatest ever.
@stematwork Stop lying. Bird was a better shooter, passer, rebounder, clutch player and defender. Bird beat Jordan 14x in a row including two playoff sweeps. Don't include real fans in your sick fantasies Jordan jocker.
@stematwork Seriously? You want to debate whether Jordan was a better shooter than Bird? That's serious Jordan jocking to even be throwing that out there. And no. It's a myth that Bird was a bad defender. He has some of the highest stls numbers ever for a forward. He had probably the best eye hand coordination of anyone to ever play the game (Bobby Knight). He pioneered help defense as we know it today. Bird's stls per game in Finals were 2.3, 2.1, 1.8, 2.7, 1.2.CONTD.
@stematwork CONTD Bird led the Celts in stls in each Finals and probably each season if I were to look it up. Bird always made key defensive plays. In 81 ECF Gm 7 his stl won the game. In 86, he had post blocks on Olajuwon to turn momentum. In 87, his stl beat the Pistons. Watch how he plays position defense both in the system and one on one and you'll understand that Bird's alleged weak defense is just a Jordan jocker myth designed to glorify Jordan's alleged bigger than life defense.
@FavreianVengeance Bird, as a great player, had some key steals and blocks. That doesn't make him a great defender. It makes him a clutch player. I won't, nor do i wish, to diminish Bird as a player. He is one of my favorites. But this "debate"is about him being better than MJ. There are no criteria to back that claim up. NONE. Be they stats, or rings, or peer appreciation or general consensus. NONE. You've accurately portrayed Bird as a "help" defender. It's a polite way of saying:
@stematwork Think again bitch. Bird 94, Jordan 153 (basketball ref dot com)Like I told you. Watch Game 7 of the 81 ECF and you'll see him making all types of crazy defensive plays to save the Celts championship run. But since you didn't bother to do that and insisted on perpetuating your Jordan jocking myths. There's the "accurate" reality.
@FavreianVengeance im not sure i know what you're talking about here in terms of the numbers. you don't appear to be reading my posts, though. i love larry bird. but to claim that he was a better player than mj is silly. to claim that he was a better defender is hardly worth debating. Bird was a defensive liability most of the time and relied on help D from Chief, McHale and Walton. He had great help D instincts and made some great clutch steals.
@stematwork The numbers are on basketball ref dot com. Check it out. They rated the players defensively based soley on the stats. And if you look at the list, you'll see it's pretty damn accurate b/c it's based on the actual numbers and not the perpetuation of myths. Jordan was a good defender. If you listen the jockers, you'd think he was the greatest defender ever (at least at the guard position). Jordan is ranked 153. Ginobili is 40. Rondo is 81, etc. Pippen at 100 was the real Bulls stopper
@stematwork I showed you the numbers. Bird was a better defenisve player than Jordan by the ratings. How about you seriously watch the 81 ECF Gm 7 and then come back and tell me that Bird was a defensive liability and that he relied on other defenders to cover for him. Honestly, if a team was on a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 break and I had to choose between Bird, McHale, Walton, Parrish, DJ, whoever being the one. It would be Bird. And it wouldn't be close. He had the best combination of defensive skills.
@FavreianVengeance I'm still not sure if you're joking. Bird has never EVER EVER never been considered a great defender. A smart defender making the most of what he had; YES. A great, dominating defender like MJ, Pippen or Hakeem? No. Not even close. It's not even a discussion. Bird had great plays in big moments. So did MJ. Bird DID NOT dominated night in and night out on the defensive end. MJ did. 9 times 1st Team NBA defense. Bird? ZERO times.
@stematwork Oh just shut your ass and watch game 7 of the 81 ECF. Don't come insulting me with that joking shit you ignorant twat. I'm not even debating with your sorry ass b/c you insist on being ignorant. BIRD WAS A FUCKING GREAT DEFENDER. THAT'S WHY HE LED HIS TEAM IN STLS IN EVERY FINALS AND WHY HE IS RATED HIGHER ON DEFENSE THAT JORDAN. And no, Jordan was not a dominant defender. Pippen is rated higher and so are 153 other players to ever play, including Bird.
@stematwork Merk made this vid for "uneducated morons" like yourself that would call Bird "below average at best" on defense. Enjoy. /watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0
Imagine if Bird grew up now when AAU couches would not have allowed him to live in quiet desperation throughout high school. Imagine he has nutritionists in his ear at 12 and Larry doesn't drink beer. Imagine he has Ed Lacerte or Aaron Nelson and modern medicine looking after his back. Imagine how excited he would be to play the "defenses" employed in Minnesota, Phoenix, Cleveland, Denver, etc. with the current offensive rules.
Imagine Bird without short shorts, 80s stache and mullet perm.
man do I get sooooo sick of hearing people claim Bird had no supporting cast, or that he 'made' McHale, or that his team was crap compared to Jordan's and Magic's
it's straight Bullshit
perfect example of the BS level is that no one even mentions DJ, who won a Championship AND a Finals MVP with Seattle before Bird even came in the league-DJ was awesome
It's just so stupid. Bird made his teammates HOFers? DJ won a title before Bird played a game!
@PorkFrog When he missed 76 games in the 1989 season, Boston replaced him with Reggie Lewis (who was 2nd in most improved player voting), yet the Celtics slipped from 57 wins to 40, despite having Lewis, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish and DJ on the roster. when mj left the bulls went -2 wins, bird -15, and magic -15. Bird and magic still beat MJ in every other category except scoring. Why don't people understand that?
@usnate1 Because it is a team sport and other factors were involved. Comparisons are meaningless and stupid. Injuries, schedule strength, personnel changes all play a part. Besides, both Magic and Bird have publicly stated Michael Jordan was the best player they had ever seen. I think they both know more than you considering they played against him.
Bird made McHale a top 10 low-post threat? Hell, why didn't Bird make Fred Roberts a great outside shooter while he was at it...people...Bird was great, but stop the nonsense. He wasn't an alchemist turning crap into gold. And his first team had ML Carr, Cornbread, Tiny and Pistol Pete and Dave Cowens
My favorite Bird moments are : When he scored 60 against the Hawks and the opposing bench players were hugging and high fiving when he nailed a 3 falling out of bounds. Must have pissed off coach Fratello something fierce! Also a bounce pass I saw him throw from to Danny Ainge. Bird was in one corner and Ainge in the other. Bird skipped a bounce pass on 1 bounce that went between 3 defenders legs..it was sick. If I recall,Ainge missed the shot...the bastard! Someone post that pass ,please!
Bird is the man, but anyone saying McHale was average needs to check out how many people he schooled in the low post. All arms, the man was unstoppable down low.
@botch13 Bird's first year, he improved the Celtics 32 games in the win-loss. When bird missed 76 games in the 1989 season, Boston replaced him with Reggie Lewis (who was 2nd in most improved player voting), yet the Celtics slipped from 57 wins to 40, despite having Lewis, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish on the roster. "K Mchale is the toughest I've ever had to guard, but bird made the celtics with his dishing and scoring" charles barkeley.
@usnate1 that's easy-Lakers were usually a deep team-great bench. Boston always had crap for a bench. I used to marvel at their starting 5-seems like they all played 38 minutes a night-Greg Kite? Jerry Schizting[sp?], Fred Roberts? small wonder
@PorkFrog I agree that the lakers as team (except for '86 celts) were better than celts all throughout the 80's BUT magic's lakers did not have to go through the eastern conference first in order to make it to the finals all of those years. The win/loss improvements and bird's overall game is the reason I'd take bird over magic or MJ. His effectiveness was crazy, so was mj's and magic's but my argument is that bird has been underrated compared to the others.
Its so stupid to me when people act like Larry Bird has not talent! LOL. That he was just a hard working white boy with heart. Larry Bird was blessed with Extreme Talent! and yes he was a hard worker, but trust me he also had more talent then most. Plus Magic Johnson wasn't a "great athlete" either
and one more thing MAYBE ITS HIS OWN DAMN FAULT HE DIDN'T GO IN THE FUCKING GYM and try to improve his own athleticism. he could have lifted weights get stronger and work on his legs/calves U FUCKINIG DUMBASSES
You motherfuckas get tooooo excited right after watching one video. BlTCHES getting carried away with this shit calling him the greatest of all time and better than Jordan. He was great and all but Kobe Bean Bryant is the 2nd Greatest OF ALL TIME after MJ
MJ without athleticism is less than BIRD? PSSSSHHHHH. NOBODY is better than Michael Jordan OH and how about this DO YOU THINK BIRD with MJ's athleticism is as great MJ? There are guys with athleticism equal to MJ's and cant do shit
best player ever. more hustle than anyone ever. how many titles did jordan win while bird and magic were in their prime? NONE. u could argue bird vs. magic forever.
Bird may not have been able to run or jump like his "colored" contemporaries but when you can hit the net from anywhere on the court you don't have to do those things!!
@Gorg3ouzKi11a Maybe by "colored," he meant the players wearing gold jerseys? Maybe he means the guys who always played those away games wearing red. Sometimes, I see Larry playing in a green jersey. *blank look*
to say if bird had someone else athleticism he would the best is way too stupid... give jordan birds intelligence and of course he wouda been better, but at the end of the day it doesnt matter...
I think that bird was Underrated, give him the same amount of attempts in FG and FT and he'd blow away MJ's stats. Oh btw I'm a Lakers fan. Larry was so Clutch, I swear he sold his soul to the Devil. Not Michael, Not Magic , Not Kobe , Larry Legend was Clutch.
@hoornrules He would have been the best of all time, by far. No question. With his work ethic, hoops intelligence, and the other things that made him so great, if you add MJ's athleticism it wouldn't even be close.
More buzzerbeater wins than most have wins :). To those saying the Celtics were a great team and didn't need Bird, he turned the Celtics around. The Celtics were 2953 during the 197879 season, but with Bird the team improved to 6121 in the next season.
dude BTAY , WHY U ALL up in arms about it!?, of course we seen MJ PLAY, yea mj is consider THE best if not top 2 or 3, but u act like BIRD cant even be in the same planet as mj, OF COURSE HE IS!, WHILE MJ IS THE MOST ATHLETIC player of all time, we FAIL TO FORGET, BIRD MANGED TO WIN AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE DID IN A DIFFERENT ERA!, JUST like the title says, HE over achieved, he wasnt born wit the athleticism MJ had, but still manage to be one of the best in the world !.
Larry is definitely up there thats for sure... when you say that kind of stuff though your gonna bring a lot of Jordan lovers in pain (even though im a huge Jordan fan myself)
1 thing about Larry is.... he had good teams true...
But did he had a Scottie Pippen on his team.... and then a Denis Rodman ?
shit he had Robert Parrish and one of the best fundamental players of all time: Kevin McHale. with them 2 it almost didnt matter who was in the backcourt.
yeah but he had other 3 HOF players as teammates...
Jordan had one, at most two...Rodman, who couldnt score but a great defense player.
Bird was a great shooter, he had 50+% FG and 25ppg in some seasons, and he was a shooter. It's not easy, and the most importan thing he different from Dirk those great shooters, he was a leader, and he led his team to win in playoffs. Beat up great team like Magic and Jabbar's Lakers.
And he had very long range. A great shooter and a smart player
MJ Played with Rodman and Pip HOFers. Magic played with Kareem and Worthy, both NCAA players of the year, NCAA tourney MVPS, NBA finals MVPS, Bird played with McHale: no college career accolades. No NCAA mvps, no NBA finals MVPS, hell, mchale wasn't even a starter for his 1st 4 years. Bird put Mchale in HOF as he did Parish, another average player he put in HOF. Bird took his celtics 2nd worst to 1st without Parish Mchale. Took lousy ISU to finals. Magic had 2 nba players on his MSU team.
Rodman is not HOFer and he had no offense & old enough to retire in 1997.
Pippen wasnt that good before 1990, so did Grant.
MJ raise the Bulls taking more time but it worth. They dominated the league for 6 yrs. If MJ didn't retire, they should won 8 rings(with Grant + Rodman + Kukoc)
@jimmychuang, I used to feel that way but I'm having a new appreciation for Pippen's game. You should debate this with tjhunt76 (the guy with all the NBA videos).
I love Pip, he is the best when he play with MJ. But it doesn't mean he is same good when he is on other team.
Also the Bulls was same starters in 1988 to 1991, but different results, it says the Bulls' success was by taking efforts to build a team, not simple as who having who as teammates.
It's not like today's league, big trade every couple months, not fun at all.
@jimmychuang Offense doesn't win championships, Defense and Rebounding does, that's why MJ couldn't get past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 95, he didn't have Grant (D+Rebounding) when he got the greatest rebounding forward in nba history, Hall of Famer Dennis Rodman, also a great defender, he did win the championship in 96. MJ's scoring alone couldn't carry the Bulls in 95.
@MerkinMuffly Inside, outside, offense, defense, all important. I mean if you want to be a champ. Bulls lost becoz Magic just outscored Bulls in low post too much. But MJ still dominated outside. But MJ made the Bulls lose 2 gs in that series. 1st game he had turnover in last seconds. And another game he tried to score sevral times in last mins but turnover, if it's 93's MJ he wouldnt make those mistakes.
Who can blame him, he played baseball for 1 yr and half.
@MerkinMuffly Whoa whoa dude....I'm with you in saying that Bird is the best ever, but calling Parish and especially McHale average just doesn't make any sense. When you listen to Bird talk about McHale, it's nothing but praise and honest belief that McHale could've put up 50 points on any given night, but was too unselfish about scoring.
@MerkinMuffly if u look at how mcale played, he was actually a very good inside man, also boston lacked in talent but had a very aggresive team and a well balanced team. mj had one other good offensive player, pippen, rodman was all def. every oher bull was average. although magic did have kareem, but thats why he won more championships
@MerkinMuffly ....and.... you sound like you are trying to make a point but never make one. McHale is one of the best centers. to try and claim he had less support than others, like MJ, is just ignorant. What about MJ's first 3 titles- Pippen was a no-namer. MJ made his career. Scottie got his chance in 94 and lost in the ECF. I really question your knowledge of the nba and your ability to have an unbiased conversation.
@LukeRygh1221 hmmm all jordan was good for before phil came along were scoring titles because his team didn't have the cohesion to reach the championship. If he didn't have rodman, cartwright, paxson, grant and all of the other supporting cast under the triangle offense, Jordan wouldn't have gotten those first 3 titles. Read Sacred Hoops and you'll see why Jordan didn't do it all on his own for those first three championships.
@LukeRygh1221 I totally agree with the unbiased comment. I am a huge Bird and Celtics fan and have to say that the teams that MJ won his championships with were much weaker than both Magic and Bird's teams. They also were weaker than the Bad Boy Pistons. If those teams didnt have MJ they might be a 5-7 seed in the east. I love Bird and he was a better passer and rebounder but Michael just changed the game, if you ever saw him play he was amazing its just so tough to explain.
@Lenfestey44 - very true!!! Plus, Michael single handly embarrassed the league, according to chuch daly, coach of the pistons. No player ever could have done what michael did to the lakers and celtics of the 80s. Michael is in a class all by himself.
@MerkinMuffly i know larry is great but the same goes for michael, michael made scottie great, if scottie didnt play with michael no way he made the hall of famer.
@jae2067 It's the other way around. Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen. Out of those 5 seasons, he posted 5 losing records, missed the playoffs twice, and was 1-9 in the playoffs. Pippen's only losing season was his final year in the NBA, when he missed much of the season due to injury and Pippen had a better record in the playoffs than MJ.Think about it: Jordan never had a winning record apart from Pippen. Pippen played on many playoff teams in Portland and Houston without Jordan.
@MerkinMuffly dude you're so off in EVERYTHINg you're saying.
McHale's a top-30 ALLTIME player. no it doesn't matter if WHAT McHale was like in college, we're talking about the Big Leagues. Kareem was in his 30's by the time he played with Magic.
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman and a handful of turds.
Bird was one of the greatest, but your reasons for saying so are all wrong. He had great teams. Dennis Johnson had bigger balls than anyone. Bill Walton was the smartest center to play the game.
Cedric Maxwell was a beast, Ainge shot the lights out. Parish brought it every night. Jordan won with Bill frickin Cartwright and Luc Longley at Center. Bird's teams were talented and deep.
@IanTerrenceFord MJ had a much better team around him than you realize. When MJ retired the 1st time, the Bulls only dropped 2 games without him and Pippen finished 3rd for league MVP. If not for a bad call, the Bulls would've been in the ECF without MJ. They probably would've advanced to the Finals that season. When Bird was injured in 89, the Celtics struggled badly without him. When Bird retired, Boston went to the cellar. If MJ was drafted in 79 with Bird & Magic, his legacy wouldn't exist.
@IanTerrenceFord 1978-1979 the season before Larry Bird was a member of the Celtics they finished 23-59.
1979-1980 Birds first season they finished 61-21 and that was without Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish. Walton was great but he only played 2 seasons with Bird and the second season he only played in a total of 22 games regular season and playoffs included. Walton didn't play many minutes after 1986 he was no factor.
@IanTerrenceFord Those 3 HoFers + turds were pretty good to have in the watered down 90s league. There wasn't really any teams close to that talent during the 90s. Not knocking McHale but from 81-84 he avg 14 ppg, 6.3 rpg & 1 apg. He was hardly tearing it up. Trying to compare him with Kareem is ridiculous. Kareem is at least a top 7 player ever. Worthy & Parish cancel each other out, DJ & Cooper cancel each out. If you switched Magic & Bird, Bird would have rolled with Kareem on his team
@jae2067 I'm not saying he wasn't great, he the greatest INDIVIDUAL force I've ever seen and the greatest scorer in history, I just don't think he made those around him better like Bird and Magic.
Respond to this video... Not saying McHale wasn't a great player, from 85-87 he was 1 of the best post scorers in the history of the NBA. It's unfortunate he broke his foot in 87, because he was having an MVP season that year. But from 81-84 McHale didn't even start. In the 81 finals he only played a little under 14 minutes per game. McHale was a great talent but he was known for his laziness towards the game of basketball. Fitch use to ride him all the time because of his poor effort.
@MerkinMuffly As much as I like McHale, I would choose Jabbar in a heartbeat to play with Larry. Jabbar was a better rebounder and passer than McHale and played at a high level for much, much longer. If we could go back in time and ANYONE asked nomagic johnson if he would rather have McHale instead of Jabbar, my guess is he would at the person who asked him that and respond by asking if he was crazy!
@midnightrider33 I would take Kareem and Worthy in a heartbeat. During the 1983 year Maxwell, McHale and ML Carr sabotaged the team to get Bill Fitch fired. They basically said this themselves. During the series with the Bucks, Fitch ordered them to get the ball up the court quickly and they purposefully slowed down. The fact that Bird missed one of the games to fever didn't help. Kareem and Worthy were pure intensity, they came to play in shape, they never tried to mutiny against a coach.
@MerkinMuffly That is unbelievable and makes me sick to hear about those jackasses who were doing something and getting paid (alot!) for something that many of us would practically kill for to be as fortunate and they react like children and sabatoge their team. I'm suprised that Mchael would do that. Sickening. I would take Mchale over Worthy, although when those two teams played, they offset each other. Parish and Jabbar to me in night and day, only an ignoramous like that popcorn fool would..
@midnightrider33 ...say different. Bottom line is that the tandem of Jabbar/Worthy was clearly better than Mchale/Parish. Plus, Worthy was healthy for his career while McHale was not the same after he fractured his foot, plus as you noted, he really didn't turn into the Mchale that people think about until 85. Parish should not be a hall of famer, that is a joke imo.He was a very good basketball player, but not hall of fame, come on.
@midnightrider33 Jabbar was a great passer. The only Center who I think was a better passer in the last 40 years or so is Walton. Jabbar was also a much better scorer and rebounder than Parish.
Putting the cards on the table: You put Bird on the Lakers and Johnson on the Celtics, Bird has MANY more rings than Johnson. Better team. Healthier team. MUCH less competition in the west. Better benches, with the sole exception of the 1986 season for Boston.
@midnightrider33 Cornbread was a great player, when he wanted to be. After he sat out the 1st part of the 85 season over contract dispute, Red finally gave him a big 5 year deal. It was all downhill from there with Maxwell. Once in practice Maxwell laid his leg out and jokingly said: "someone jump on my knee and put me out for 6 weeks" Bird replied, "Put that son of a bitch right here, I'll snap it in half for you." Oddly enough, Maxwell went out with torn cartilage later in the year.
@MerkinMuffly Yeah he was a great player and it amazes me how anyone could have that kind of attitude. I would practically kill to be a pro-player, let alone a Celtic. Larry should have went ahead and put the Maxwell out of his supposed misery and put the worthless bastard in a wheel chair.
At firts i thought this was about Scalbrine
masteroftheblaster1 4 days ago
0:15 Shit I haven't ran this much since High School..
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@NBA89VALEX DJ and Parish don't get into the Hall of Fame without Bird, simple as that, Parish even said so himself. DJ was kicked off the Suns and Sonics for being a trouble maker, I'm sure he would have been in the Hall if he went to the Clippers instead of the Celts, keep telling yourself that.
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@KYwedvideos i am a big fan of BIRD and i don't know what did parish said,eventhough is very modest man,but parish was a very important player for this great celtics team,18p.11reb.2blocks,in his prime and had very long career!DJ was a great player before bird came to nba,do n't forget he led sheatle in their only champion and led suns in their best record until barkley!he might be a trouble maker but was great leader to,the same for machale!also had good role players like maxwell,walton,ainge.
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MerkinMuffly 1 month ago
and he's white, hihi, great epic larry legend bird
nwa974 2 months ago
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The Pacers played the Lakers for the NBA championship in 2000. Larry Bird was the Pacers coach and he screwed us, the Pacers, by playing his buddy Chris Mullin over Jalen Rose. Mullin was a good player in his day with Golden State, but he was an old, washed up player with the Pacers. All Mullin did was get beat defensively and brick three pointers. Jalen was in his prime and could have helped slow down Kobe. Shame on you Bird!!!
JayGatsbyOdysseus 2 months ago
Larry bitd, and Jordan, Johnson and abdul jabbar are the best
TheNBAFS 2 months ago
@TheNBAFS Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon is yet another people always over look, but there's so many I won't hold it against you
Hinasil 2 months ago
larry bird was a very good defender.and whoever thinks that jordan dominated defensively then maybe he never saw him play.he was a good defender but he played passing lanes nearly throughout his career.pippen used to defend the best player on opposition while michael played the help role.remember the 91' finals.pippen defended magic and that was one of the main reasons why the bulls won.so i would rate bird and jordan equally.
MrYourdaddyishere 3 months ago
@MrYourdaddyishere Yeah, MJ was a great one on one defender early in his career, had a lot of steals, would get burned a lot going for them, but was not nearly as good a overall and team defender that Pippen was.
MerkinMuffly 2 months ago
@MrYourdaddyishere You are terrible at watching basketball. You have it backwards. Jordan was better man to man defender than Pippen, while Pippen was better off the ball. MJ guarded the best player on the other team most of his career, Pippen did that mainly in Bull's second threepeat when MJ was 33-35y and even at that age he was still dominant defender. That 91 Finals is a myth, Magic had better stats against Pippen than MJ. Magic is a clear mismatch to MJ, Pippen was better suited for him..
HymanKaplan 2 weeks ago
Hhas what most basketball players dont have smarts,lol
Spulpacz 3 months ago
yeah, but he's 6'10...
conni70 3 months ago
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he cant run, he cant jump, he is not fast and definitely not the best
babyfaceassassin21 3 months ago
LOL ppl are all over dirks balls
larry was dirk only plus 2.5x more assists, better defense, even MORE clutch, tougher, and did it against equal or tougher competition.
1 mvp + 1 fmvp < 3 mvp's + 2 fmvp's
bird was so good its it's frightening lols ;.
ry3304 4 months ago 2
dumb title -.- can't run, can't jump? what is he? a retard? anyways much respect to larry bird
Seanniieee 4 months ago 32
@Seanniieee it's what his first coach in the NBA thought about him and said in an interview. He said he didn't realize what sort of player he had in his camp until the 3rd week, when basically Larry knew everyone and everyone's tendencies and how to deal with them. Brains over physicality every time.
NBaller023 4 months ago
@Seanniieee its not a dumb title. that was what the people were actually saying back then. but i remembered the quote from old larry bird docu's as " He cant run, he cant jump, but he also cant be stopped"....something like that.
500ncb 4 months ago
@Seanniieee I remember having a tape with Jordan, Bird and Johson. IIRC the title refers to the interview of Boston's then president who commented the draft (Bird) as a player who is white and 'Can't Jump, cannot run and he is not fast, why did we take him for?' ... And then proved to be the best ever made choice by Boston on the drafts.
atma 1 month ago
@Seanniieee is means he wasnt very atheletic but he was one of the best
xxAzZa32xx 1 week ago
:( i miss real basketball when u wasnt a legend till u proved it... unlike lebrons
ZOPEY 5 months ago 16
@ZOPEY oh give lebron a break
masterlegend10 2 months ago
@ZOPEY Who's fault is it that Lebron was overhyped before he made it to the NBA? Not Lebron. You need to get your priorities straight.
singhisking853 1 month ago
@ZOPEY sorry lebron cant hear you over his titles..... wait nevermind he choked everytime, lebron fuckin blows when hes needed
aktodayable 4 weeks ago
@ZOPEY But he has proved it if he retired he would be top 10 for sure no matter how much you hate him
trevor18hi 1 week ago
i take the 86 Celtics over any of Magics Lakers. The real dream series, IMHO: 97 Bulls v/s 86 Celtics.
Simply have no idea how that comes out...but it would have been AMAZING
stematwork 5 months ago
Brian Scalabrine is the next Larry Bird. Beast.
vamountiger 5 months ago
The unfairness of the LA /Boston rivalry was this: Boston had to slug their way past physical teams like Philly, NY, Milwaukee and Detroit. "The problem with our rivalry is that the Lakers could be out there playing at 80% and still get to the finals, but we had to bang & scratch & beat our way to get there" Bird said. "It was just a fact the East was stronger & more physical, we were taking a huge beating on our way to the finals and the lakers were just sitting back, waiting for us to arrive."
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
What? Larry's Celtics, Magic's Lakers, and Mike's Bulls were all ridiculously stacked. Each had atleast three hall of famers. They all won championships. What's the argument?
JohnnyinHisHead 5 months ago
@robertwilliams1966 Oh wait a minute, there's Dirk Snow White Nowitski, can I identify with him, ya think?! Oh shit, I'm a Celtic fan. My team is black as night and I cheer for them, just as loud, as I did for Bird's celtics. I know you hate Bird because he's white, but I also have videos that celebrate Rondo, DJ, Pierce, Reggie Lewis, etc and last I checked, they weren't white. You need help, hope you get it.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@robertwilliams1966 Damn, your a racist piece of shit aren't you? All I'm saying is Magic had 2 NBA players with him in college: Kelser and Vincent, Bird had no one on his ISU team. In the pros Magic had a top 5 player ever on his team Kareem and when you add magic, it's 2 of the top 5 players ever, so how can McHale compare to this. Not to mention Bird was playing injured in 85 and now cedric maxwell, in 87 entire celt teams was a mash unit. So it's obvious Bird did more with less.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
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@robertwilliams1966 Settle down Spike Lee, if anyone is a racist it’s you. I didn't bring up color like you bigots like to do. Its not my fault Bird schooled MJ until he was crying on the bench. What can I say about a slow white boy that swept MJ 2 years in a row & what does it say about MJ if he let Bird sweep him? Bird was a bad man, ask Magic & MJ & 50 other HoFers, people whose opinions count, not yours. If you met him on the court, he would have you whimpering in the corner for your momma.
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MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
Both magic and bird said that jordan was the best player they ever saw. Case closed!!!
robertwilliams1966 5 months ago
Larry was one of the greatest basketball athletes of all-time. Consider his amazing hand eye coordination for anybody much less a man 6'9". Consider his incredible timing in any way on any given play whether it be rebounding, passing, defense, or clutch play. His soft touch for shooting or passing is awe inspiring. Some say Larry had inferior athletic ability because he didn't run fast or jump high. I beg to differ.
hooperqi 5 months ago
@hooperqi No kidding, he probably had the quickest and some of the strongest hands in the history of basketball, I never saw anyone rip the ball out of his hands. When you watch his perfect full court passes to teammates in stride, you'll know why Brady is the 2nd best QB ever to play in Boston
MerkinMuffly 1 month ago
The smartest guy and play unselfish basketball
classicmixes 7 months ago
What a treat to watch! Such entertaining basketball. Can't compare Bird with other greats- how they played were so different.
smegweevil 7 months ago
The thing that amazes me is that people don't count vision, quick reflexes, eye-hand coordination, and touch as "athletic" qualities---only jumping is athletic. Yeah, Bird hustled, but he was just better than you. He was gifted with more skills and he worked hard, that's why he was awesome.
altohart 8 months ago
even magic had to admit that larry bird is a scary opponent - he's usually unstoppable
phektus 8 months ago
0:58 Like a boss.
Fripitto 8 months ago
anyone know the same of the song playing starting at around 30 secs and running to the end
nothing563019 9 months ago
it's true that man can't run .. only walk ..
noob6660 9 months ago
Michael Jordan can do alot, But he can't pass like Larry Bird.
76ComicFan 9 months ago
fkin celtics
justxhendo1234 9 months ago
Rick Barry and Dave DeBusschere in one--- Dave Cowens
Ariamaluum 9 months ago
good commentary /watch?v=WhOfjQS4Ty0
rash617 9 months ago
when people talk about the bulls they always forget about Kukoc,he was a magnificent all around player dont forget that
kakavsir 9 months ago 2
he was the clutchest player in the game....alltime!!!!
jacbullets 9 months ago
I honestly think if larry bird was black there would be alot more people who would think he was the best ever,
pats4lifebb 11 months ago 26
@pats4lifebb I was in a Jazz club in Louisiana watching this house band play and some cats were "sitting in" on different instruments. The band's sax player was white and was playing an absolutely brilliant solo with great tone, note choices, etc... When he finished the audience hardly made a sound. Next to solo was another sax player, only this one was black. He proceded to take the most painfully bad ride over the same tune with no tone melody, or style. The audience went wild. Point Taken
noetol 5 months ago
@pats4lifebb -- I agree. I can't tell you how many times I've owned people in the Jordan vs. Bird debate and then they resort to the 'well you must be white.'
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Is there a debate? MJ was better in every catagory (especially defense) except court vision and Bird's uncanny instinct to deliver the ball at the right moment. Bird is top 5, no doubt...but MJ is the greatest ever.
stematwork 3 months ago
@stematwork Stop lying. Bird was a better shooter, passer, rebounder, clutch player and defender. Bird beat Jordan 14x in a row including two playoff sweeps. Don't include real fans in your sick fantasies Jordan jocker.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance so...this is you"owning" in a debate?
Better paser and rebounder, no doubt. Larry was more effective at both.
Shooter? What are you basing your criteria off of? Percentages or total production? Percetage is close but production is not.
Clutch player? Though i agree that Larry was ice cold clutch...he wasn't more so than MJ.
Now...the next catagory, defense, makes me wonder if you're being serious or joking. Bird was below average at best.
stematwork 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance so...this is you"owning" in a debate?
Better passer and rebounder, I can live with. Larry was probably more effective at both.
Shooter? What are you basing your criteria off of? Percentages or total production? Percetage is close but production is not.
Clutch player? Though i agree that Larry was ice cold clutch...he wasn't more so than MJ.
Now...the next catagory, defense, makes me wonder if you're being serious or joking. Bird was below average at best.
stematwork 3 months ago
@stematwork Seriously? You want to debate whether Jordan was a better shooter than Bird? That's serious Jordan jocking to even be throwing that out there. And no. It's a myth that Bird was a bad defender. He has some of the highest stls numbers ever for a forward. He had probably the best eye hand coordination of anyone to ever play the game (Bobby Knight). He pioneered help defense as we know it today. Bird's stls per game in Finals were 2.3, 2.1, 1.8, 2.7, 1.2.CONTD.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@stematwork CONTD Bird led the Celts in stls in each Finals and probably each season if I were to look it up. Bird always made key defensive plays. In 81 ECF Gm 7 his stl won the game. In 86, he had post blocks on Olajuwon to turn momentum. In 87, his stl beat the Pistons. Watch how he plays position defense both in the system and one on one and you'll understand that Bird's alleged weak defense is just a Jordan jocker myth designed to glorify Jordan's alleged bigger than life defense.
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stematwork 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance Bird, as a great player, had some key steals and blocks. That doesn't make him a great defender. It makes him a clutch player. I won't, nor do i wish, to diminish Bird as a player. He is one of my favorites. But this "debate"is about him being better than MJ. There are no criteria to back that claim up. NONE. Be they stats, or rings, or peer appreciation or general consensus. NONE. You've accurately portrayed Bird as a "help" defender. It's a polite way of saying:
stematwork 3 months ago
@stematwork Think again bitch. Bird 94, Jordan 153 (basketball ref dot com)Like I told you. Watch Game 7 of the 81 ECF and you'll see him making all types of crazy defensive plays to save the Celts championship run. But since you didn't bother to do that and insisted on perpetuating your Jordan jocking myths. There's the "accurate" reality.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance im not sure i know what you're talking about here in terms of the numbers. you don't appear to be reading my posts, though. i love larry bird. but to claim that he was a better player than mj is silly. to claim that he was a better defender is hardly worth debating. Bird was a defensive liability most of the time and relied on help D from Chief, McHale and Walton. He had great help D instincts and made some great clutch steals.
stematwork 3 months ago
@stematwork The numbers are on basketball ref dot com. Check it out. They rated the players defensively based soley on the stats. And if you look at the list, you'll see it's pretty damn accurate b/c it's based on the actual numbers and not the perpetuation of myths. Jordan was a good defender. If you listen the jockers, you'd think he was the greatest defender ever (at least at the guard position). Jordan is ranked 153. Ginobili is 40. Rondo is 81, etc. Pippen at 100 was the real Bulls stopper
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@stematwork I showed you the numbers. Bird was a better defenisve player than Jordan by the ratings. How about you seriously watch the 81 ECF Gm 7 and then come back and tell me that Bird was a defensive liability and that he relied on other defenders to cover for him. Honestly, if a team was on a 2 on 1 or 3 on 1 break and I had to choose between Bird, McHale, Walton, Parrish, DJ, whoever being the one. It would be Bird. And it wouldn't be close. He had the best combination of defensive skills.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@FavreianVengeance I'm still not sure if you're joking. Bird has never EVER EVER never been considered a great defender. A smart defender making the most of what he had; YES. A great, dominating defender like MJ, Pippen or Hakeem? No. Not even close. It's not even a discussion. Bird had great plays in big moments. So did MJ. Bird DID NOT dominated night in and night out on the defensive end. MJ did. 9 times 1st Team NBA defense. Bird? ZERO times.
stematwork 3 months ago
@stematwork Oh just shut your ass and watch game 7 of the 81 ECF. Don't come insulting me with that joking shit you ignorant twat. I'm not even debating with your sorry ass b/c you insist on being ignorant. BIRD WAS A FUCKING GREAT DEFENDER. THAT'S WHY HE LED HIS TEAM IN STLS IN EVERY FINALS AND WHY HE IS RATED HIGHER ON DEFENSE THAT JORDAN. And no, Jordan was not a dominant defender. Pippen is rated higher and so are 153 other players to ever play, including Bird.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@stematwork /watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0 - Watch that shit and shut the fuck up. IM NOT SURE IF YOURE JOKING DICKHEAD.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@stematwork Merk made this vid for "uneducated morons" like yourself that would call Bird "below average at best" on defense. Enjoy. /watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
@stematwork You think Bird was below average defender, you don't know much about basketball: watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0
MerkinMuffly 2 months ago
@pats4lifebb i think the fact that he is white is the reason why people think he is the best ever
chaddotp4l 3 months ago
@chaddotp4l Nobody really seems to think he's the best ever, but the mere thought of that is stupid
pats4lifebb 3 months ago
@chaddotp4l I think its a stupid argument to bring in race. Bird's resume speaks for itself.
FavreianVengeance 3 months ago
Imagine if Bird grew up now when AAU couches would not have allowed him to live in quiet desperation throughout high school. Imagine he has nutritionists in his ear at 12 and Larry doesn't drink beer. Imagine he has Ed Lacerte or Aaron Nelson and modern medicine looking after his back. Imagine how excited he would be to play the "defenses" employed in Minnesota, Phoenix, Cleveland, Denver, etc. with the current offensive rules.
Imagine Bird without short shorts, 80s stache and mullet perm.
MPHswayze 1 year ago 17
@MPHswayze
i don't wanna watch NBA anymore.
jjjoestar 10 months ago
@MPHswayze Then it wouldn't be Larry Bird.
TairyGreen89 4 months ago 2
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yea nice tiny lil faggity dicked cheap shot there u little shit lols
he was a 3time nba second team defender, who was easily one of the greatest off ball defenders of his time in his prime, and wreaked havoc you loser
he also played on a celtics team that was CONSISTENTLY one of if not thee best defensive team in the league, and of the decade too
he was a straight NASTY defensive rebounder, and averaged somethin like 2 steals and a block for his career you asshole...
ry3304 4 months ago
@MPHswayze
all that while bein one of only yyou know, the greatest offensive players of all time....
yea CHECK PLZ lols moron ;.
ry3304 4 months ago
man do I get sooooo sick of hearing people claim Bird had no supporting cast, or that he 'made' McHale, or that his team was crap compared to Jordan's and Magic's
it's straight Bullshit
perfect example of the BS level is that no one even mentions DJ, who won a Championship AND a Finals MVP with Seattle before Bird even came in the league-DJ was awesome
It's just so stupid. Bird made his teammates HOFers? DJ won a title before Bird played a game!
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PorkFrog 1 year ago
@PorkFrog When he missed 76 games in the 1989 season, Boston replaced him with Reggie Lewis (who was 2nd in most improved player voting), yet the Celtics slipped from 57 wins to 40, despite having Lewis, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish and DJ on the roster. when mj left the bulls went -2 wins, bird -15, and magic -15. Bird and magic still beat MJ in every other category except scoring. Why don't people understand that?
usnate1 1 year ago
@usnate1 Because it is a team sport and other factors were involved. Comparisons are meaningless and stupid. Injuries, schedule strength, personnel changes all play a part. Besides, both Magic and Bird have publicly stated Michael Jordan was the best player they had ever seen. I think they both know more than you considering they played against him.
destmu 1 year ago 2
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Bird made McHale a top 10 low-post threat? Hell, why didn't Bird make Fred Roberts a great outside shooter while he was at it...people...Bird was great, but stop the nonsense. He wasn't an alchemist turning crap into gold. And his first team had ML Carr, Cornbread, Tiny and Pistol Pete and Dave Cowens
just stop it
PorkFrog 1 year ago
My favorite Bird moments are : When he scored 60 against the Hawks and the opposing bench players were hugging and high fiving when he nailed a 3 falling out of bounds. Must have pissed off coach Fratello something fierce! Also a bounce pass I saw him throw from to Danny Ainge. Bird was in one corner and Ainge in the other. Bird skipped a bounce pass on 1 bounce that went between 3 defenders legs..it was sick. If I recall,Ainge missed the shot...the bastard! Someone post that pass ,please!
ilocsad38 1 year ago
I make NBA Mixes with so much passion but noone watches them...could anybody here give me a comment at least?
KingKoltAir 1 year ago
Magic was nothing compared to Bird
kyuss4me 1 year ago
Bird is the man, but anyone saying McHale was average needs to check out how many people he schooled in the low post. All arms, the man was unstoppable down low.
botch13 1 year ago 2
@botch13 Bird's first year, he improved the Celtics 32 games in the win-loss. When bird missed 76 games in the 1989 season, Boston replaced him with Reggie Lewis (who was 2nd in most improved player voting), yet the Celtics slipped from 57 wins to 40, despite having Lewis, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish on the roster. "K Mchale is the toughest I've ever had to guard, but bird made the celtics with his dishing and scoring" charles barkeley.
usnate1 1 year ago
@usnate1 When magic was injured the lakers had 20 more always had 21 more wins or better regardless....think about that.
usnate1 1 year ago
@usnate1 that's easy-Lakers were usually a deep team-great bench. Boston always had crap for a bench. I used to marvel at their starting 5-seems like they all played 38 minutes a night-Greg Kite? Jerry Schizting[sp?], Fred Roberts? small wonder
PorkFrog 1 year ago
@PorkFrog I agree that the lakers as team (except for '86 celts) were better than celts all throughout the 80's BUT magic's lakers did not have to go through the eastern conference first in order to make it to the finals all of those years. The win/loss improvements and bird's overall game is the reason I'd take bird over magic or MJ. His effectiveness was crazy, so was mj's and magic's but my argument is that bird has been underrated compared to the others.
usnate1 1 year ago
He made it look so effortless...........
bigboss25262 1 year ago
Its so stupid to me when people act like Larry Bird has not talent! LOL. That he was just a hard working white boy with heart. Larry Bird was blessed with Extreme Talent! and yes he was a hard worker, but trust me he also had more talent then most. Plus Magic Johnson wasn't a "great athlete" either
Bahia82 1 year ago
if i didn't know larry's face i would have thought that he was just a normal old geezer walking by the street...
cloudrain123 1 year ago
who cares if he was better than MJ or Kobe, he was a great player and one of the games greatest. quite the bitchin
simonmylrea 1 year ago
... like Shannon Brown and LeBron
and one more thing MAYBE ITS HIS OWN DAMN FAULT HE DIDN'T GO IN THE FUCKING GYM and try to improve his own athleticism. he could have lifted weights get stronger and work on his legs/calves U FUCKINIG DUMBASSES
JM25Jey 1 year ago
@JM25Jey Yea but Larry Bird had a higher credit score.
railrunner85 1 year ago
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@JM25Jey Yea, but Larry Bird had a higher credit score.
railrunner85 1 year ago
@JM25Jey Lebron and shannon brown haven't had the careers or career numbers that bird has had. Lebron maybe in the future, but I haven't seen it yet.
usnate1 1 year ago
You motherfuckas get tooooo excited right after watching one video. BlTCHES getting carried away with this shit calling him the greatest of all time and better than Jordan. He was great and all but Kobe Bean Bryant is the 2nd Greatest OF ALL TIME after MJ
MJ without athleticism is less than BIRD? PSSSSHHHHH. NOBODY is better than Michael Jordan OH and how about this DO YOU THINK BIRD with MJ's athleticism is as great MJ? There are guys with athleticism equal to MJ's and cant do shit
JM25Jey 1 year ago
@JM25Jey I agree that MJ is one of the greatest OVERALL players. But so is bird and Kobe doesn't touch either one by a MILE. Numbers don't lie.
usnate1 1 year ago
i love how he has such a consistent jumper.
brucerd1 1 year ago 2
best player ever. more hustle than anyone ever. how many titles did jordan win while bird and magic were in their prime? NONE. u could argue bird vs. magic forever.
zarny1234 1 year ago
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It's all hard work.
LoRdMe92 1 year ago
Bird may not have been able to run or jump like his "colored" contemporaries but when you can hit the net from anywhere on the court you don't have to do those things!!
exenforcer 1 year ago
@exenforcer "colored" really.. why must u bring racist views to the comment.. fuck is you problem dude
Gorg3ouzKi11a 1 year ago
@Gorg3ouzKi11a Maybe by "colored," he meant the players wearing gold jerseys? Maybe he means the guys who always played those away games wearing red. Sometimes, I see Larry playing in a green jersey. *blank look*
bongrocker 1 year ago
@bongrocker u know the stereotype that blacks can run and take flight.. so im pretty sure by colored he meant blacks
Gorg3ouzKi11a 1 year ago
@Gorg3ouzKi11a yea, I was just trying to make light of it. I still wish I was as shitty at running and jumping as Bird..
bongrocker 1 year ago
yea right magic is the best basketball player and all ways will be
XxXbigstarXx 1 year ago
to say if bird had someone else athleticism he would the best is way too stupid... give jordan birds intelligence and of course he wouda been better, but at the end of the day it doesnt matter...
simplegone 1 year ago
I think that bird was Underrated, give him the same amount of attempts in FG and FT and he'd blow away MJ's stats. Oh btw I'm a Lakers fan. Larry was so Clutch, I swear he sold his soul to the Devil. Not Michael, Not Magic , Not Kobe , Larry Legend was Clutch.
IFLYGTI12 1 year ago 3
he is already the Best
bugsy101073 1 year ago 6
what if bird was as athletic as MJ how close would he come to best player ever ?
hoornrules 2 years ago
Of course
rjb0978 2 years ago
@hoornrules He would have been the best of all time, by far. No question. With his work ethic, hoops intelligence, and the other things that made him so great, if you add MJ's athleticism it wouldn't even be close.
crimdell 2 years ago
why not use your NBA 2k10 to create an athletic Bird and make a history?
jimmychuang 1 year ago
LEBRON :)
jbrick98 2 years ago
Bird is the best player if god is not included.
if god counts, then the best one is jordan, bird becomes the second best.
kevinttl 2 years ago
da best
rubiaraya 2 years ago
look bird has more buzzerbeater wins then most have had winning seasons
sliknutsmcgee 2 years ago
More buzzerbeater wins than most have wins :). To those saying the Celtics were a great team and didn't need Bird, he turned the Celtics around. The Celtics were 2953 during the 197879 season, but with Bird the team improved to 6121 in the next season.
BroomeBlocker4 2 years ago 4
the THREE POINT LEGENDs
29041982 2 years ago
dude BTAY , WHY U ALL up in arms about it!?, of course we seen MJ PLAY, yea mj is consider THE best if not top 2 or 3, but u act like BIRD cant even be in the same planet as mj, OF COURSE HE IS!, WHILE MJ IS THE MOST ATHLETIC player of all time, we FAIL TO FORGET, BIRD MANGED TO WIN AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE DID IN A DIFFERENT ERA!, JUST like the title says, HE over achieved, he wasnt born wit the athleticism MJ had, but still manage to be one of the best in the world !.
JGA1980 2 years ago
lol man noone is born with a 40+ inch vertical it requires a tonne of hard work. Yes genetics matter too, but it takes work.
Jrotten11 1 year ago
Bird's highlight package are like great symphonies; they leave a basketball fan with tears of joy.
lb33isu 2 years ago 5
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lb33isu 2 years ago
Bird was so sick! some of the things he did just amazed me
mrhotandsexy12 2 years ago 25
he is better than mj
gardnersoccer33 2 years ago 4
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thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard...u mustve never watched michael play...u dont even deserve to think
BTAY234 2 years ago
yes
ncuso33 2 years ago
Larry is definitely up there thats for sure... when you say that kind of stuff though your gonna bring a lot of Jordan lovers in pain (even though im a huge Jordan fan myself)
1 thing about Larry is.... he had good teams true...
But did he had a Scottie Pippen on his team.... and then a Denis Rodman ?
He sure didn't.
So yeah Bird was a beast.
G00DFELLAZ 2 years ago 2
shit he had Robert Parrish and one of the best fundamental players of all time: Kevin McHale. with them 2 it almost didnt matter who was in the backcourt.
gstyleceo36 2 years ago
yeah but he had other 3 HOF players as teammates...
Jordan had one, at most two...Rodman, who couldnt score but a great defense player.
Bird was a great shooter, he had 50+% FG and 25ppg in some seasons, and he was a shooter. It's not easy, and the most importan thing he different from Dirk those great shooters, he was a leader, and he led his team to win in playoffs. Beat up great team like Magic and Jabbar's Lakers.
And he had very long range. A great shooter and a smart player
jimmychuang 2 years ago
Bird made them HOF players! Bird played for the team, nt for the stats,like someone else!
maninthebox77 2 years ago 4
yap, if someone play for stat, he would not come back in age of 38,39 because everyone knows it would hurt the perfect career stat.
jimmychuang 2 years ago
MJ Played with Rodman and Pip HOFers. Magic played with Kareem and Worthy, both NCAA players of the year, NCAA tourney MVPS, NBA finals MVPS, Bird played with McHale: no college career accolades. No NCAA mvps, no NBA finals MVPS, hell, mchale wasn't even a starter for his 1st 4 years. Bird put Mchale in HOF as he did Parish, another average player he put in HOF. Bird took his celtics 2nd worst to 1st without Parish Mchale. Took lousy ISU to finals. Magic had 2 nba players on his MSU team.
MerkinMuffly 2 years ago 47
Rodman is not HOFer and he had no offense & old enough to retire in 1997.
Pippen wasnt that good before 1990, so did Grant.
MJ raise the Bulls taking more time but it worth. They dominated the league for 6 yrs. If MJ didn't retire, they should won 8 rings(with Grant + Rodman + Kukoc)
jimmychuang 2 years ago
@jimmychuang, I used to feel that way but I'm having a new appreciation for Pippen's game. You should debate this with tjhunt76 (the guy with all the NBA videos).
ace11rothstein 1 year ago
I love Pip, he is the best when he play with MJ. But it doesn't mean he is same good when he is on other team.
Also the Bulls was same starters in 1988 to 1991, but different results, it says the Bulls' success was by taking efforts to build a team, not simple as who having who as teammates.
It's not like today's league, big trade every couple months, not fun at all.
jimmychuang 1 year ago
@jimmychuang Offense doesn't win championships, Defense and Rebounding does, that's why MJ couldn't get past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 95, he didn't have Grant (D+Rebounding) when he got the greatest rebounding forward in nba history, Hall of Famer Dennis Rodman, also a great defender, he did win the championship in 96. MJ's scoring alone couldn't carry the Bulls in 95.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly Inside, outside, offense, defense, all important. I mean if you want to be a champ. Bulls lost becoz Magic just outscored Bulls in low post too much. But MJ still dominated outside. But MJ made the Bulls lose 2 gs in that series. 1st game he had turnover in last seconds. And another game he tried to score sevral times in last mins but turnover, if it's 93's MJ he wouldnt make those mistakes.
Who can blame him, he played baseball for 1 yr and half.
jimmychuang 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly No doubt Bird was the greatest team player ever. But based on pure talent and athleticism Jordan and MJ were on a higher level.
PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD 1 year ago
@MerkinMuffly
lol @ inferring mchale was an average player and rodman a HOFer.
fwiw bird, jordan, mchale, rodman all among my all time favourite players.
zeejustin6 1 year ago
@MerkinMuffly Whoa whoa dude....I'm with you in saying that Bird is the best ever, but calling Parish and especially McHale average just doesn't make any sense. When you listen to Bird talk about McHale, it's nothing but praise and honest belief that McHale could've put up 50 points on any given night, but was too unselfish about scoring.
NR92CP 1 year ago
@MerkinMuffly ... Kevin Mchale is the best post player in basketball history
peskelj 1 year ago
@MerkinMuffly if u look at how mcale played, he was actually a very good inside man, also boston lacked in talent but had a very aggresive team and a well balanced team. mj had one other good offensive player, pippen, rodman was all def. every oher bull was average. although magic did have kareem, but thats why he won more championships
1vlark 10 months ago
@MerkinMuffly ....and.... you sound like you are trying to make a point but never make one. McHale is one of the best centers. to try and claim he had less support than others, like MJ, is just ignorant. What about MJ's first 3 titles- Pippen was a no-namer. MJ made his career. Scottie got his chance in 94 and lost in the ECF. I really question your knowledge of the nba and your ability to have an unbiased conversation.
LukeRygh1221 8 months ago
@LukeRygh1221 hmmm all jordan was good for before phil came along were scoring titles because his team didn't have the cohesion to reach the championship. If he didn't have rodman, cartwright, paxson, grant and all of the other supporting cast under the triangle offense, Jordan wouldn't have gotten those first 3 titles. Read Sacred Hoops and you'll see why Jordan didn't do it all on his own for those first three championships.
BigSwerve33 8 months ago
@LukeRygh1221 I totally agree with the unbiased comment. I am a huge Bird and Celtics fan and have to say that the teams that MJ won his championships with were much weaker than both Magic and Bird's teams. They also were weaker than the Bad Boy Pistons. If those teams didnt have MJ they might be a 5-7 seed in the east. I love Bird and he was a better passer and rebounder but Michael just changed the game, if you ever saw him play he was amazing its just so tough to explain.
Lenfestey44 8 months ago 2
@Lenfestey44 i believe larry and magic played in the greatest era of basketball (80's).
pastorfw 6 months ago
@Lenfestey44 - very true!!! Plus, Michael single handly embarrassed the league, according to chuch daly, coach of the pistons. No player ever could have done what michael did to the lakers and celtics of the 80s. Michael is in a class all by himself.
robertwilliams1966 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly i know larry is great but the same goes for michael, michael made scottie great, if scottie didnt play with michael no way he made the hall of famer.
jae2067 7 months ago
@jae2067 not only pippens but horse too
CaptPrice274 6 months ago
@CaptPrice274 horace?
jae2067 6 months ago
@jae2067 It's the other way around. Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen. Out of those 5 seasons, he posted 5 losing records, missed the playoffs twice, and was 1-9 in the playoffs. Pippen's only losing season was his final year in the NBA, when he missed much of the season due to injury and Pippen had a better record in the playoffs than MJ.Think about it: Jordan never had a winning record apart from Pippen. Pippen played on many playoff teams in Portland and Houston without Jordan.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly Pippen merely arrived at the perfect moment, besides, Michael taught Pippen how to play ball
jae2067 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly dude you're so off in EVERYTHINg you're saying.
McHale's a top-30 ALLTIME player. no it doesn't matter if WHAT McHale was like in college, we're talking about the Big Leagues. Kareem was in his 30's by the time he played with Magic.
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman and a handful of turds.
Bird was one of the greatest, but your reasons for saying so are all wrong. He had great teams. Dennis Johnson had bigger balls than anyone. Bill Walton was the smartest center to play the game.
IanTerrenceFord 5 months ago
Cedric Maxwell was a beast, Ainge shot the lights out. Parish brought it every night. Jordan won with Bill frickin Cartwright and Luc Longley at Center. Bird's teams were talented and deep.
IanTerrenceFord 5 months ago
@IanTerrenceFord MJ had a much better team around him than you realize. When MJ retired the 1st time, the Bulls only dropped 2 games without him and Pippen finished 3rd for league MVP. If not for a bad call, the Bulls would've been in the ECF without MJ. They probably would've advanced to the Finals that season. When Bird was injured in 89, the Celtics struggled badly without him. When Bird retired, Boston went to the cellar. If MJ was drafted in 79 with Bird & Magic, his legacy wouldn't exist.
BigTimePride 5 months ago
@IanTerrenceFord 1978-1979 the season before Larry Bird was a member of the Celtics they finished 23-59.
1979-1980 Birds first season they finished 61-21 and that was without Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish. Walton was great but he only played 2 seasons with Bird and the second season he only played in a total of 22 games regular season and playoffs included. Walton didn't play many minutes after 1986 he was no factor.
geocgeo 5 months ago
@IanTerrenceFord Those 3 HoFers + turds were pretty good to have in the watered down 90s league. There wasn't really any teams close to that talent during the 90s. Not knocking McHale but from 81-84 he avg 14 ppg, 6.3 rpg & 1 apg. He was hardly tearing it up. Trying to compare him with Kareem is ridiculous. Kareem is at least a top 7 player ever. Worthy & Parish cancel each other out, DJ & Cooper cancel each out. If you switched Magic & Bird, Bird would have rolled with Kareem on his team
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@jae2067 I'm not saying he wasn't great, he the greatest INDIVIDUAL force I've ever seen and the greatest scorer in history, I just don't think he made those around him better like Bird and Magic.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Not saying McHale wasn't a great player, from 85-87 he was 1 of the best post scorers in the history of the NBA. It's unfortunate he broke his foot in 87, because he was having an MVP season that year. But from 81-84 McHale didn't even start. In the 81 finals he only played a little under 14 minutes per game. McHale was a great talent but he was known for his laziness towards the game of basketball. Fitch use to ride him all the time because of his poor effort.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly As much as I like McHale, I would choose Jabbar in a heartbeat to play with Larry. Jabbar was a better rebounder and passer than McHale and played at a high level for much, much longer. If we could go back in time and ANYONE asked nomagic johnson if he would rather have McHale instead of Jabbar, my guess is he would at the person who asked him that and respond by asking if he was crazy!
midnightrider33 5 months ago
@midnightrider33 I would take Kareem and Worthy in a heartbeat. During the 1983 year Maxwell, McHale and ML Carr sabotaged the team to get Bill Fitch fired. They basically said this themselves. During the series with the Bucks, Fitch ordered them to get the ball up the court quickly and they purposefully slowed down. The fact that Bird missed one of the games to fever didn't help. Kareem and Worthy were pure intensity, they came to play in shape, they never tried to mutiny against a coach.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly That is unbelievable and makes me sick to hear about those jackasses who were doing something and getting paid (alot!) for something that many of us would practically kill for to be as fortunate and they react like children and sabatoge their team. I'm suprised that Mchael would do that. Sickening. I would take Mchale over Worthy, although when those two teams played, they offset each other. Parish and Jabbar to me in night and day, only an ignoramous like that popcorn fool would..
midnightrider33 5 months ago
@midnightrider33 ...say different. Bottom line is that the tandem of Jabbar/Worthy was clearly better than Mchale/Parish. Plus, Worthy was healthy for his career while McHale was not the same after he fractured his foot, plus as you noted, he really didn't turn into the Mchale that people think about until 85. Parish should not be a hall of famer, that is a joke imo.He was a very good basketball player, but not hall of fame, come on.
midnightrider33 5 months ago
@midnightrider33 Jabbar was a great passer. The only Center who I think was a better passer in the last 40 years or so is Walton. Jabbar was also a much better scorer and rebounder than Parish.
Putting the cards on the table: You put Bird on the Lakers and Johnson on the Celtics, Bird has MANY more rings than Johnson. Better team. Healthier team. MUCH less competition in the west. Better benches, with the sole exception of the 1986 season for Boston.
midnightrider33 5 months ago
@midnightrider33 Cornbread was a great player, when he wanted to be. After he sat out the 1st part of the 85 season over contract dispute, Red finally gave him a big 5 year deal. It was all downhill from there with Maxwell. Once in practice Maxwell laid his leg out and jokingly said: "someone jump on my knee and put me out for 6 weeks" Bird replied, "Put that son of a bitch right here, I'll snap it in half for you." Oddly enough, Maxwell went out with torn cartilage later in the year.
MerkinMuffly 5 months ago
@MerkinMuffly Yeah he was a great player and it amazes me how anyone could have that kind of attitude. I would practically kill to be a pro-player, let alone a Celtic. Larry should have went ahead and put the Maxwell out of his supposed misery and put the worthless bastard in a wheel chair.
midnightrider33 5 months ago