In my opinion 2. e3 is better as it feigns at a potential pin of the knight to the king, some really passive players who want to avoid this might go a6, which gives you an extra move.
Wouldn't happen a lot and very unlikely at high level but still, not much to lose on it and a shot and gaining a small advantage.
Here is a game of this opening between Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 and Houdini 1.5a x64 with long time controls. Check out game 73 (and 74) at: westportchessclub . org/computer-chess /rybka-vs-houdini-100games . htm
Here is a game of this opening between Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 and Houdini 1.5a x64 with long time controls. Check out game 73 (and 74) at: westportchessclub . org /computer-chess /rybka-vs-houdini-100games .htm
I still like this opener for opponents who haven't seen it. The main weakness is the pins on the Knights. I think white should not move both nights to get the full opener. Instead whites moves could be; b3, Bb2, d3, Nd2, g3, Bg2. This sets up e4 which attacks Blacks Bishop on f5 (if it is there). Pin on Q Knight can be kicked with c3, which is a standard pincer move and allows Qc2. Ne2 can now be played to open castle. Just making suggestions since i like this opener so much.
Amazing creation, I hope to one day see this opening make it to the list of legitimate white openings, and perhaps even see grandmasters catch on and make use of such a clever and creative flank-based attack =]
Not to also be too critical but as black's next move, you could easily check the king with Bb4 or Qa5 with no option but to run with the king and you lose advantage right there.
@bendrazil I love this opening as white and black, and play it a lot, because: 1) it is EXTREMELY flexible, and: 2) most of my opponents overestimate their position and try to force an attack, sometimes with unsound sac's, and my counter-punches are fierce. I still prefer d3 over b3, because I like to goad my opp's into overextending, and counter-attack at just the right moment, similar to the hippo and hedgehog... the counter-punch is fierce and punishes aggressive players nicely.
I think at 7:40 a better option would be to capture with the Queen. You keep two pawn islands intact and you are immediately attacking 2 undefended pawns. He's gonna lose something. What do you think?
@bendrazil If Qxd4 then you open yourself up for a discovered attack on the queen from the rook which can be capitalized on right away with Bxg3, winning the pawn outright, but it is much worse than it that. The black Q is then threatening checkmate on f2 if the white queen moves off of the d file, and the only two squares that are available to defend f2 for the queen (d2 and f4) both will drop the queen.
I like the b3 opening better, any flanker I've seen play positions like this generally begins with the b3 fianchetto. I think, as I stated in a previous video, that this is a very interesting attack. If I were to play it, I think I'd opt for this b3 variation myself.
BB4+ is okay for white, and white will have the benefit of a stronger position to work from. The king can be tucked away to safety relatively easily. At that point castling isn't really that important anymore. However, the initial emphasis on castling that I was trying to express was earlier in the line as opposed to the end of that one example but I stated that again for some reason at the end of the line. Thanks for checking out the vid!
When I do face an opening such as the Hippo, my instinct is to summon the Elephant - all pawns in front, except the one on f3 (or f6). This puts the question back to the hippo, and when the Hippo guy tries to open up the game, he normally gets crushed underneath the massive space advantage. It's classic Steinitz - tactics always favor the player with more space (i.e. advantage).
Your Pincer Attack opening IS playable but I'll remind you to be prepared against systems such as the Elephant.
d3 does what you said. but g3 allows you to go into the kings indean attack. e3 and d3 give you controll of the center quicker so it is an interesting idea of what should go first
Hi jrobi, I was having some difficulties for a while with this opening, but i think it still certainly an interesting/ active opening. I have been posting quite a few videos on it where tactics do come into play. Thanks again for a wonderful Chess subject!
what u start at 7:27, when black pushes E4 you end uo in a bad situation, look at the end after ur pawn takes the balck knight on D4, and then imagine Bishop to C4!!!! and no castle, and ur end up not so happy. worth considering...
NIce vid, I'll attempt to try this opening out in a few games online and send you some feedback. Does anyone have a link back to Kingscrushers vid where he defeats the GM using this opening?
I like pincer attack and your is always a good work.
My comment: in the last postion, say after black pushes to e4 and everyone takes, white is weaker, compared to the case in which black pushes to d4. Easily black prevents castle with bishop and has queen developed. Am I right?
Do you think pincher can be translated to defence?
Black prevents castling but the white king will be flexible enough to move to safety and white will be up a pawn in the position. As for the defence question, the Hippo defence uses the same structure as black however it tends to have more passive pawn moves due to being a tempo behind white, so it's a bit too slow for my tastes but I am sure it would be a solid defence. Thanks for checking out the vid!
I played a game recently where I employed the Hippo, which I won. It can be frustrating to play against, as black just develops the system and waits. It makes for a slow game (it was move 15 before there were any captures, and even then it was just a pawn exchange), and if the opponent attacks with anything but the utmost caution, he will be crushed.
I agree though, the nature of the pincer attack is similar if one plays it passively, but quite different if one is actively pursuing an attack.
B3 looks very interesting, but i preffer playing up the center because when i usually play my pawns over the sides, my opponent storms through the middle of the board and crushes my center.
As I have sent you in pm's from youtube, I have long been playing this opening with two fianchetto bishops, and I always begin with b3. I was inspecting your pawn-first aproach for some time now.
jrobi, the way in which you have your videos grouped makes it almost imposible to find the last video you posted, for example I know that you posted a video six hours ago, but i couldn't find it
If you click on uploads on my channel page you will see them in order of posting as opposed to playlists. This is my latest though, so not sure what you saw 6 hours ago...that's interesting. Thanks for checking this one out though!
My only problem with the end position is for Black to go Qa5 landing the check, this will take the castle away from white, or cost a 2 pawns material unless I am missing something.
This leaves either moving the king, or blocking with queen Qd2 or bishop Bc3.
Queen leads to bringing in the bishop to farther aggravate the situation Bb4.
Bishop just leads to being taken (Qxc3) which is another check.
Check my comments below - white will be fine without castling after KF1 if black decides to hit the bishop check. However, you are correct that the option to castle will be taken away. I shouldn't have emphasized that again at the end of that one line, my intent was mainly after white plays Qc2 for the castle option. The lines where black pushes into the center with either E5 or D5 actually hurts black and causes it to go down a pawn. Thanks for checking out the vid!
Well usually (though as with all rules in chess, there are exceptions) you don't want to push pawns in front of your king too far, and so it's usually better to do attacks on the opposite side to your castled position. This is why games where players castle on opposite sides of the board can be particularly attacking, because each player is attacking towards the opponent's castled position.
At 4:24 I like 6. ... 0-0 7. Bg2 Re8 8. Ne2 Bf5 9. 0-0 Bc5 and there is a beautiful symmetry on the board. I love this position, it looks great! But interesting: 5 to 10 moves later the board looks quite messy because there are so many tactical issues when symmetry breaks.
7:43 bishop to b4 and you loose your option to castle. i don't want to be a critic but i would not want to end up in that position. it will lock up the rook on h1.
It's actually fine for white if black goes down that line. White's up a pawn, and then can play Kf1 after the check and then if H5, Kg2 and so forth - advantage to white. Basically if black opts to try and press into the center from the inital position after Qc2, it's going to favor white.
if white king e2 black queen h5 king f1 queen takes d1 rook a1 takes d1 does not look so good in my oponion pls tell me if i'm wrong. and king f1 looks like a mate to me at g3. that is if you want to get your rook on h1 out.
There's no reason to move to E2 with the king - Kf1 after the check is much better and maintains the advantage. However, if white did play Ke2 and black hit the check, the king can safely go to F1 again. Then if Qd5 attacking the rook, the rook goes to g1 and white is stronger in the position.
(sorry for double posting, but I had exceeded the allowed number of characters)
Now I might have just played it wrong, so I'm not sure if e3 really is an appropriate response, or if there's a better move - how would you have played it?
Hey Jrobi, first of all thanks for your amazing work and research, your videos are always interesting - I check for them daily!
I've played a blitz game using your latest variation of the pincer attack, and I ran into trouble right off the bat - as I played b3, my opponent played d5 and after Bb2 he pushed onto d4 - any thoughts on a response?
In the game I played e3, and after dxe3, i captured back with my f pawn. It turned out to be a huge mistake for me later on.
In the last line of the video - the one where you explored ...d4 - after the material is traded you ended with white opting to trade the knights off. However, this allows black an attack on white's centralized king with either c3xd4, Qa5+...where a queen trade is warranted. Alternatively, if e3xd4, Rh8-e8+ and white has to flee. Either way he loses the ability to castle. If ...e4 - white may have to consider the possibility of a pawn push with e4. What do you think?
Deep into that line it's ok for white not to castle. If black presses into the center from the initial position after Qc2 it actually hurts the black position. It causes black to go down a pawn, and white can meet the check with Kf1, then if H5, Kg2 and so forth. Thanks for checking out the vid!
I watched the beginning of the intro to pincer attack and although it seemed passive, i decided to give it a try. I used it in about 80 bullet games over few days and it skyrocketed my rating about 150 points. The idea is clear and very useful in bullet since it can be played as white or black as well as you can premove it gaining time on the clock. the tactical posiblities (bishops indirectly attacking rooks) and positional breaks (c5 and f5 and the like) are useful.
Thaf far into the line castling isn't important anymore. The flexibility to castle is more important before the action starts, and depends on where the action takes place. White will be fine if it's that deep into that line and black opts for a check. Black is a pawn down, and white will have a very good opportunity to build on that advantage.
Hi there, this is unrelated to your comment but do you have any recommendations as far as books go. I'm a beginner and my uncle(chess player for 40 years) says i'd be at about a 1k rating ranked if that helps at all. :)
Happy Holidays, JRobi! I have a question, is it possible for you to upload a full-length chess game of you using this opening at your best? I just want to see how you would play a full-length, well thought out match after opening with the Pincer. I like the evolution videos, but I'd like to see you on your best game using this against a good opponent. Keep up the vids!
C3 would only be if you want to have the ability to castle on the queen side. You definitely don't have to do that, however. Thanks for checking out the vid!
I have analyzed the Pincer Attack and have come up with some conclusions that may be of use to you. However, it is difficult to explain them in a youtube comment box. How else can I contact you?
I have sent an email containing my match against Jester using the Pincer Attack. As you can see, the end game was going nowhere, so I forced a draw through repetition. Nevertheless, I helped me learn a lot about the opening, which I detailed in the email. Looking towards your reply.
I'm very suspicious about this opening. There are several times where it could go wrong. Just as an example, in the final position, black could play Bb4 check, thus stopping the king from castling. Things like that sound alarm bells for me...
Don't forget that in the final position white is a pawn up and doesn't really have to castle due to the limited remaining material. However, the option to castle is still there. I honestly can't see black wanting to go down those lines and lose that pawn, however. It would be in white's best interest if the black player does so.
First move, white moves pawn to A4, then trying to get the B pawn up to B4 and then B5 to create a great open for the queen side. Do you happen to know what that opening? If possible I will try to email you the match using that opening.
I definitely agree C - I think B3 takes a bit of the passive nature of D3 away, and keeps things going at a good pace resulting in a decent position from which to work with. I also agree about delaying castling - that coupled with the first move that white enjoys, yields some good momentum for piece development.
personaly i prefer the g3 opining becouse you can get into the kings indean attack vary easily. this reminds me of what my old chess program did it moved its bishops into the places you did.
You can definitely get into a KIA structure after G3. I wonder if there's any play from black that would be worthwhile transposing from the Pincer to the KIA to give white a solid edge from poor decisions from the opponent. Something to think about anyway. Thanks for checking out the vid!
I'm not sure the position at 7:44 is good for white. White doesn't have a good reply to Bb4+. There's no way to block it, so the king has to move (preventing castling), probably going to f1, which pins the f pawn. It seems like it'd be pretty easy for black to build up a strong attack on the white king in that position.
White's okay there, not only is white a pawn up but the king is in a very flexible position so castling isn't even mandatory due to the shortage of remaining pieces. It's not in black's best interest to try to skirmish in the center from the initial position. Thanks for checking out the vid!
White is fine in the position. Very slight positional edge in terms of engine analysis but favoring white nonetheless which is more than acceptable coming out of the opening phase. It's not in black's best interest to try and force the issue in the center whether it's D5 or E5. For example ...H5, Qe2, Qa5+, Kf1, H4, G4 and white has improved the position further.
I saw that bishop too. And the h3 pawn is left hanging if king side castling. Queen side castling is out imo as well. but the c file seems to be an advantage.
Nice explanation, often against computers I run d3 then b3 or g3 next. Against People I run the d3 more often as first move, I think for those reasons that e5 gets threatened at once.
About Blacks Nc6, My b4 feels weak, if Nf4 then my c2,d3 pawns are under preasure.
At about 8 minutes in, after black pushes the e pawn and the the trade ending with c3xe4, talk about flexible castling position is ruined with d6-b4+. It probably doesn't matter too much but it does mess up the idea of flexible castling options. Otherwise this video does show the pincer attack very nicely though idt it is aggressive enough for my playing style. Keep up the great work.
Good Stuff JRobi. Keep up the good work, it's nice to see an opponing that you can easily get into (usually), and as you saud just rely on the skill of the player, instead of who is "booked up: more.
Isn't a kingside castle for black more effective from his/her standpoint? Sure black gets the queen bishop battering ram, but after the e4/d4 push from white and the pieces are traded off, there is a lot of open space inviting the white queen and rooks/ other pieces towards the black king. That looks a little fishy, I believe the king side castle for black is a better option.
Black can go either or, Rybka felt a queen side castle was better in the position, but that's just Rybka. Maybe in the next vid I will cover a kingside castle from the same opening strategy. Thanks for checking out the vid!
There's also a lot of possibilities to utilize the diagonals to force the king to move around which I think someone better than I could utilize to force white to drop some pieces. Again with Black Bd4, Ke2 or Kf1, Qb5... king ether has to move to g2 or f3 or block with the queen and do an exchange.
But to tell you, you might not believe me, I was using the b3 and the g3 tactics 3 years ago (when I was in 6th grade, I'm 13 now). Since then, I've change tactics.
I think the very last position shown here at 7:45 is a very poor position.
Black moves bishop d6->Bb4 will remove white castle possibility. Blocking with the bishop just drops the bishop, and forks the king and the rook, king moves, bishop takes rook, queen takes bishop. Blocking with the queen drops the queen and the king takes the bishop. So, the best move is to just move the king which eliminates castling.
It's on my blog - if KC watches maybe he can put it as a video responce to this which would make it easier for people to go to. Thanks for checking out the vid!
Should be working now - YouTube is able to get them going while still compressing so sometimes that is a factor. That's why the vids are grainy for the first 10 or so minutes.
I like 1. d3 2. e3 because it controls the fourth rank central squares immediately giving a lot of early influence in the center.
WestScorpion 6 months ago
In my opinion 2. e3 is better as it feigns at a potential pin of the knight to the king, some really passive players who want to avoid this might go a6, which gives you an extra move.
Wouldn't happen a lot and very unlikely at high level but still, not much to lose on it and a shot and gaining a small advantage.
M1M1Y1 7 months ago
Here is a game of this opening between Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 and Houdini 1.5a x64 with long time controls. Check out game 73 (and 74) at: westportchessclub . org/computer-chess /rybka-vs-houdini-100games . htm
shutterbugged71 8 months ago
Here is a game of this opening between Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 and Houdini 1.5a x64 with long time controls. Check out game 73 (and 74) at: westportchessclub . org /computer-chess /rybka-vs-houdini-100games .htm
shutterbugged71 8 months ago
Here is a game of this opening between Deep Rybka 4.1 x64 and Houdini 1.5a x64 with long time controls. Check out game 73 (and 74) at:
shutterbugged71 8 months ago
This is the Nimzowitsch-Larsen, Modern Variation, Main Line: 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. d3 d5 4. Nd2 Nf6 5. e3 Bd6 6. g3 Bg4 7. Ne2 Qd7
And 8.Bg2 0-0-0 9.h3 Be6 falls under the "A00: Benko Opening: Reti-KIA-English Transposition" classification.
shutterbugged71 9 months ago
b3 definitely.
TheRoopeKonna 1 year ago
e5 and b5 cant be defended ops
GHalfa 1 year ago
e5 and b5 cant be defended
GHalfa 1 year ago
could you make the pawns go into a crescent formation like the Spanish armada after the bishop may move up?
DeltaA118 1 year ago
I still like this opener for opponents who haven't seen it. The main weakness is the pins on the Knights. I think white should not move both nights to get the full opener. Instead whites moves could be; b3, Bb2, d3, Nd2, g3, Bg2. This sets up e4 which attacks Blacks Bishop on f5 (if it is there). Pin on Q Knight can be kicked with c3, which is a standard pincer move and allows Qc2. Ne2 can now be played to open castle. Just making suggestions since i like this opener so much.
Chaxar 1 year ago
AT MINUTE 8 BLACK CAN CHECK AND AFTER KF1 Bd6 WITH Re8 and maybe take advance
naker115 1 year ago
THIS IS THE LARSEN-NIMZOWITCH ISNT IT?
naker115 1 year ago
In the pawn to e4 line you looked at in the video you really cant castle after the exchange. A simple check by black would make short work of that.
PS: probably someone has noticed that already but hey I like pointing out obvious moves.
cyberdaniboy 1 year ago
whats jrobi's email adress?
DKrampage 1 year ago
at 8:15 black can easily take out the white's ability to castle on either side with bishop to b4. this position i'd say it gives black an advantage
shadowdancerRFW 1 year ago
Amazing creation, I hope to one day see this opening make it to the list of legitimate white openings, and perhaps even see grandmasters catch on and make use of such a clever and creative flank-based attack =]
blits4000 1 year ago
I got one idea from your pincer attack.. it's the idea of attack from two sides.
I created my own opening, which won't still have a name, what begins with a strange move.. f4!
This is the move order
|||1.f4 d5| 2.Nf3 Nf6| 3.b3 c5 |4.e3 b6 |5.Bb2 Bb7| 6.c4 e6 |7.cxd5 exd5 |8.d4 Bd6 |9.Nc3 Nc6 |10.Bb5 O-O11 .O-O Re8|||
TheRoopeKonna 1 year ago
@TheRoopeKonna f4 already exists..........
cacpotify 1 year ago
@cacpotify
And you bother to answer to comment one month old?
TheRoopeKonna 1 year ago
@TheRoopeKonna Yes, it's just that you said it was a strange move and I kind of tried to tell you otherwise.
cacpotify 1 year ago
i find the black moves of Bb4 and Bg4 pinning the knights as very annoying. also Nb4 and Ng4 can lead to harsh forks
Chaxar 1 year ago
Not to also be too critical but as black's next move, you could easily check the king with Bb4 or Qa5 with no option but to run with the king and you lose advantage right there.
bendrazil 2 years ago
Check my reply to this idea a few comments down - thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
@bendrazil I love this opening as white and black, and play it a lot, because: 1) it is EXTREMELY flexible, and: 2) most of my opponents overestimate their position and try to force an attack, sometimes with unsound sac's, and my counter-punches are fierce. I still prefer d3 over b3, because I like to goad my opp's into overextending, and counter-attack at just the right moment, similar to the hippo and hedgehog... the counter-punch is fierce and punishes aggressive players nicely.
ssouvey 6 months ago
I think at 7:40 a better option would be to capture with the Queen. You keep two pawn islands intact and you are immediately attacking 2 undefended pawns. He's gonna lose something. What do you think?
bendrazil 2 years ago
@bendrazil If Qxd4 then you open yourself up for a discovered attack on the queen from the rook which can be capitalized on right away with Bxg3, winning the pawn outright, but it is much worse than it that. The black Q is then threatening checkmate on f2 if the white queen moves off of the d file, and the only two squares that are available to defend f2 for the queen (d2 and f4) both will drop the queen.
balanceseeker 1 year ago
I like the b3 opening better, any flanker I've seen play positions like this generally begins with the b3 fianchetto. I think, as I stated in a previous video, that this is a very interesting attack. If I were to play it, I think I'd opt for this b3 variation myself.
AAWulf 2 years ago
I think white losing its white squared bishop is a big loss in this position.
jwlbailey 2 years ago
Pure awesomeness!!!
photonbombzx 2 years ago
I'm a beginner but to me Black has the advantage. Bb4+ keeps White from castling.
I just read down and Chaxar made the same comment. Follow with Rhe8. Qa5+ might be better because it eliminates the Queen King pin.
Eugensdiet 2 years ago
BB4+ is okay for white, and white will have the benefit of a stronger position to work from. The king can be tucked away to safety relatively easily. At that point castling isn't really that important anymore. However, the initial emphasis on castling that I was trying to express was earlier in the line as opposed to the end of that one example but I stated that again for some reason at the end of the line. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
true, i may put too much emphasis on castle. goes back to my days in high school chess team.
Chaxar 2 years ago
seems kinda hard to get into the final position, since it requires black to play quite passively
jajabrink 2 years ago
Also, I like your creative instinct, creating an entire opening by yourself. It's quite enterprising and I hope it will work out well.
whisperwaIk 2 years ago
When I do face an opening such as the Hippo, my instinct is to summon the Elephant - all pawns in front, except the one on f3 (or f6). This puts the question back to the hippo, and when the Hippo guy tries to open up the game, he normally gets crushed underneath the massive space advantage. It's classic Steinitz - tactics always favor the player with more space (i.e. advantage).
Your Pincer Attack opening IS playable but I'll remind you to be prepared against systems such as the Elephant.
whisperwaIk 2 years ago
d3 does what you said. but g3 allows you to go into the kings indean attack. e3 and d3 give you controll of the center quicker so it is an interesting idea of what should go first
MrMarson123456 2 years ago
At the end of your vid i noticed xd4 allows black to force white to loose castle B-b4.
Chaxar 2 years ago
Hi jrobi, I was having some difficulties for a while with this opening, but i think it still certainly an interesting/ active opening. I have been posting quite a few videos on it where tactics do come into play. Thanks again for a wonderful Chess subject!
Myleanne14 2 years ago
My prior post @6)g2, Bd6 , should read, 6)g3, Bd6
To me the d3 seems the weakest part of White's opening, this is part 2 of challenging the d3 with another game.
1)b3, e5
2)Bb2, Nc6
3)d3, d5
4)g3, Bf5
5)Nd2, Nf6
6)Bg2, Nd7
7)e3, Nc5
8)Ne2, Bd6
Catsfaith 2 years ago
One of my games as Black
1)b3, d5
2)Bb2, Bf5
3)d3, e6
4)e3, Na6
5)Nd2, Nc5
6)g2, Bd6
7)Bg2, Qe7
8)Ne2, e5
Notes, after Nc5 and/or Bf5 then White couldn't push c3 without losing d3
Catsfaith 2 years ago
what u start at 7:27, when black pushes E4 you end uo in a bad situation, look at the end after ur pawn takes the balck knight on D4, and then imagine Bishop to C4!!!! and no castle, and ur end up not so happy. worth considering...
izingpatrik 2 years ago
Bc4 results in 13)b3xc4, a free medium piece.
Catsfaith 2 years ago
NIce vid, I'll attempt to try this opening out in a few games online and send you some feedback. Does anyone have a link back to Kingscrushers vid where he defeats the GM using this opening?
Anthracyte 2 years ago
Good Work man... I will try this out and come back to let you know how it goes...
TGS265 2 years ago
I like pincer attack and your is always a good work.
My comment: in the last postion, say after black pushes to e4 and everyone takes, white is weaker, compared to the case in which black pushes to d4. Easily black prevents castle with bishop and has queen developed. Am I right?
Do you think pincher can be translated to defence?
omarzanusso 2 years ago
Black prevents castling but the white king will be flexible enough to move to safety and white will be up a pawn in the position. As for the defence question, the Hippo defence uses the same structure as black however it tends to have more passive pawn moves due to being a tempo behind white, so it's a bit too slow for my tastes but I am sure it would be a solid defence. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
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Elorviat 2 years ago
I played a game recently where I employed the Hippo, which I won. It can be frustrating to play against, as black just develops the system and waits. It makes for a slow game (it was move 15 before there were any captures, and even then it was just a pawn exchange), and if the opponent attacks with anything but the utmost caution, he will be crushed.
I agree though, the nature of the pincer attack is similar if one plays it passively, but quite different if one is actively pursuing an attack.
Elorviat 2 years ago 2
B3 looks very interesting, but i preffer playing up the center because when i usually play my pawns over the sides, my opponent storms through the middle of the board and crushes my center.
Fruitjoke 2 years ago
B3 seems the way to go. I look forward to part 2 to see how the black Queen is handled. I am sure I am missing something.
Icreatemore 2 years ago
As I have sent you in pm's from youtube, I have long been playing this opening with two fianchetto bishops, and I always begin with b3. I was inspecting your pawn-first aproach for some time now.
Windwalkerranger 2 years ago
jrobi, the way in which you have your videos grouped makes it almost imposible to find the last video you posted, for example I know that you posted a video six hours ago, but i couldn't find it
affiliate30 2 years ago
If you click on uploads on my channel page you will see them in order of posting as opposed to playlists. This is my latest though, so not sure what you saw 6 hours ago...that's interesting. Thanks for checking this one out though!
jrobichess 2 years ago
My only problem with the end position is for Black to go Qa5 landing the check, this will take the castle away from white, or cost a 2 pawns material unless I am missing something.
This leaves either moving the king, or blocking with queen Qd2 or bishop Bc3.
Queen leads to bringing in the bishop to farther aggravate the situation Bb4.
Bishop just leads to being taken (Qxc3) which is another check.
Jaggling 2 years ago
Check my comments below - white will be fine without castling after KF1 if black decides to hit the bishop check. However, you are correct that the option to castle will be taken away. I shouldn't have emphasized that again at the end of that one line, my intent was mainly after white plays Qc2 for the castle option. The lines where black pushes into the center with either E5 or D5 actually hurts black and causes it to go down a pawn. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
7.36 h3 is loose
60tat 2 years ago
Thanks for this! great ideas and good explanation
chickenchild007 2 years ago
sorry...but i think its a stupid question but i just want to know what is the relationship between castling and which side i am gonna attack from??
iniloy1993 2 years ago
Well usually (though as with all rules in chess, there are exceptions) you don't want to push pawns in front of your king too far, and so it's usually better to do attacks on the opposite side to your castled position. This is why games where players castle on opposite sides of the board can be particularly attacking, because each player is attacking towards the opponent's castled position.
Cream147player 2 years ago
thanks a lot :)
iniloy1993 2 years ago
At 4:24 I like 6. ... 0-0 7. Bg2 Re8 8. Ne2 Bf5 9. 0-0 Bc5 and there is a beautiful symmetry on the board. I love this position, it looks great! But interesting: 5 to 10 moves later the board looks quite messy because there are so many tactical issues when symmetry breaks.
drmedhabil 2 years ago
I like b3 followed by e3...this is probably the most flexible way to go.
undyingflame27 2 years ago
With a big red target around it's face ^^
GenericPurpleTurtle 2 years ago
with the bed red target around its face ::))
Myleanne14 2 years ago
Here's a very reasonable transposition to a KIA setup if black plays B6:
1. b3 b6 2. Bb2 Bb7 3. d3 d6 4. e4 e5 5. g3 g6 6. Bg2 Bg7 7. Nf3 Nf6 8. Nbd2
Nbd7 9. O-O O-O
jrobichess 2 years ago
7:43 bishop to b4 and you loose your option to castle. i don't want to be a critic but i would not want to end up in that position. it will lock up the rook on h1.
Malfunction01 2 years ago
It's actually fine for white if black goes down that line. White's up a pawn, and then can play Kf1 after the check and then if H5, Kg2 and so forth - advantage to white. Basically if black opts to try and press into the center from the inital position after Qc2, it's going to favor white.
jrobichess 2 years ago
oops didn't see you already replyed :-). i still don't see white getting out of that actually, i guess i will have to play it first :-).
Malfunction01 2 years ago
I replied again. =)
jrobichess 2 years ago
oh so that is how you write replied hehe ;-). btw thanks for the video jrobi.
Malfunction01 2 years ago
if white king e2 black queen h5 king f1 queen takes d1 rook a1 takes d1 does not look so good in my oponion pls tell me if i'm wrong. and king f1 looks like a mate to me at g3. that is if you want to get your rook on h1 out.
Malfunction01 2 years ago
There's no reason to move to E2 with the king - Kf1 after the check is much better and maintains the advantage. However, if white did play Ke2 and black hit the check, the king can safely go to F1 again. Then if Qd5 attacking the rook, the rook goes to g1 and white is stronger in the position.
jrobichess 2 years ago
good video...
mitchmersa 2 years ago
Thanks for checking it out Mitch!
jrobichess 2 years ago
(sorry for double posting, but I had exceeded the allowed number of characters)
Now I might have just played it wrong, so I'm not sure if e3 really is an appropriate response, or if there's a better move - how would you have played it?
MaRoCh86 2 years ago
Hey Jrobi, first of all thanks for your amazing work and research, your videos are always interesting - I check for them daily!
I've played a blitz game using your latest variation of the pincer attack, and I ran into trouble right off the bat - as I played b3, my opponent played d5 and after Bb2 he pushed onto d4 - any thoughts on a response?
In the game I played e3, and after dxe3, i captured back with my f pawn. It turned out to be a huge mistake for me later on.
MaRoCh86 2 years ago
Thanks for posting the line idea from black, what happened after dxE3 that you played?
jrobichess 2 years ago
In the last line of the video - the one where you explored ...d4 - after the material is traded you ended with white opting to trade the knights off. However, this allows black an attack on white's centralized king with either c3xd4, Qa5+...where a queen trade is warranted. Alternatively, if e3xd4, Rh8-e8+ and white has to flee. Either way he loses the ability to castle. If ...e4 - white may have to consider the possibility of a pawn push with e4. What do you think?
reasoniamalive2day 2 years ago
Btw: I just noticed that instead of blacks response of Qa5+, Bb4+ is just as hurtful to white.
reasoniamalive2day 2 years ago
I noticed the same -- Bb4+ ruins both of white's castling options.
JacobLW 2 years ago
Deep into that line it's ok for white not to castle. If black presses into the center from the initial position after Qc2 it actually hurts the black position. It causes black to go down a pawn, and white can meet the check with Kf1, then if H5, Kg2 and so forth. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Before watching the video:
I watched the beginning of the intro to pincer attack and although it seemed passive, i decided to give it a try. I used it in about 80 bullet games over few days and it skyrocketed my rating about 150 points. The idea is clear and very useful in bullet since it can be played as white or black as well as you can premove it gaining time on the clock. the tactical posiblities (bishops indirectly attacking rooks) and positional breaks (c5 and f5 and the like) are useful.
MrFedel 2 years ago 2
That's great Fedel - I have been having lots of fun with it in blitz also. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
If black plays e5 he can take away our castling rights with Bb4+ at the end of the line.
No dynamism of being able to castle either to the queen or kingside then!!!
Ruxistico 2 years ago
Which line Rux?
jrobichess 2 years ago
If it's the last line, and black checks, it's fine for white. For example: Bb4+, Kf1, H5, Kg2, Qe6, Qf3.
jrobichess 2 years ago
look out for black attack on b4 towards the end... white king has to move...cannot castle later
drleo81 2 years ago
Thaf far into the line castling isn't important anymore. The flexibility to castle is more important before the action starts, and depends on where the action takes place. White will be fine if it's that deep into that line and black opts for a check. Black is a pawn down, and white will have a very good opportunity to build on that advantage.
jrobichess 2 years ago
Hi there, this is unrelated to your comment but do you have any recommendations as far as books go. I'm a beginner and my uncle(chess player for 40 years) says i'd be at about a 1k rating ranked if that helps at all. :)
Omgausername6 2 years ago
On my personal site I have some books listed in the review section that I used when I first got started. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
No problem man, you do good work :). anyway ty
Omgausername6 2 years ago
Happy Holidays, JRobi! I have a question, is it possible for you to upload a full-length chess game of you using this opening at your best? I just want to see how you would play a full-length, well thought out match after opening with the Pincer. I like the evolution videos, but I'd like to see you on your best game using this against a good opponent. Keep up the vids!
okgo1fan 2 years ago
This is a definite possibility in the future. Thanks for checking out the vid O!
jrobichess 2 years ago
I think you still haven't replied to why not e3. If you did, sorry, I must of missed it.
zUchihaCloudz 2 years ago
E3 is still pretty much unchartered, although I have a feeling it will end up similar to D3.
jrobichess 2 years ago
C3 would only be if you want to have the ability to castle on the queen side. You definitely don't have to do that, however. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Hi jrobi,
I have analyzed the Pincer Attack and have come up with some conclusions that may be of use to you. However, it is difficult to explain them in a youtube comment box. How else can I contact you?
braves1015645 2 years ago
Probably email Braves - it's listed near the end of this video or you can go to my website. Looking forward to it!
jrobichess 2 years ago
@jrobichess
I have sent an email containing my match against Jester using the Pincer Attack. As you can see, the end game was going nowhere, so I forced a draw through repetition. Nevertheless, I helped me learn a lot about the opening, which I detailed in the email. Looking towards your reply.
braves1015645 2 years ago
You and kingcrusher should set up a battle sometime, and have commentary on both sides.
dV3 2 years ago
Cool.
midasfan8888 2 years ago 2
I'm very suspicious about this opening. There are several times where it could go wrong. Just as an example, in the final position, black could play Bb4 check, thus stopping the king from castling. Things like that sound alarm bells for me...
whgpeck 2 years ago
Don't forget that in the final position white is a pawn up and doesn't really have to castle due to the limited remaining material. However, the option to castle is still there. I honestly can't see black wanting to go down those lines and lose that pawn, however. It would be in white's best interest if the black player does so.
jrobichess 2 years ago
I have an opening works pretty good in my case.
First move, white moves pawn to A4, then trying to get the B pawn up to B4 and then B5 to create a great open for the queen side. Do you happen to know what that opening? If possible I will try to email you the match using that opening.
triledoan 2 years ago
ThePincer Attack is what I have been doing for a while but I start it with the Polish Opening, the rest looks similar to your moves :)
start b4
comosera 2 years ago
Great video Jrobi, I really want to try this out
Steve0016 2 years ago
Thanks for checking it out Steve!
jrobichess 2 years ago
hey jrobi i really enjoy the blitz extended videos and you seed you would make one
I know were you live!!!
lol :}
Icrokis187 2 years ago
I really like the progress I think b3 is more aggressive, Im an aggressive player, delaying castling really makes a difference
cuevasdecamuy 2 years ago
I definitely agree C - I think B3 takes a bit of the passive nature of D3 away, and keeps things going at a good pace resulting in a decent position from which to work with. I also agree about delaying castling - that coupled with the first move that white enjoys, yields some good momentum for piece development.
jrobichess 2 years ago
personaly i prefer the g3 opining becouse you can get into the kings indean attack vary easily. this reminds me of what my old chess program did it moved its bishops into the places you did.
MrMarson123456 2 years ago
You can definitely get into a KIA structure after G3. I wonder if there's any play from black that would be worthwhile transposing from the Pincer to the KIA to give white a solid edge from poor decisions from the opponent. Something to think about anyway. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
I'm not sure the position at 7:44 is good for white. White doesn't have a good reply to Bb4+. There's no way to block it, so the king has to move (preventing castling), probably going to f1, which pins the f pawn. It seems like it'd be pretty easy for black to build up a strong attack on the white king in that position.
nr1771 2 years ago
White's okay there, not only is white a pawn up but the king is in a very flexible position so castling isn't even mandatory due to the shortage of remaining pieces. It's not in black's best interest to try to skirmish in the center from the initial position. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
@ jrobichess
I don't see any advantage to white's dark bishop. And black's dark bishop can stop castling. Pawn attack from black on the way.
heraclitus44 2 years ago
White is fine in the position. Very slight positional edge in terms of engine analysis but favoring white nonetheless which is more than acceptable coming out of the opening phase. It's not in black's best interest to try and force the issue in the center whether it's D5 or E5. For example ...H5, Qe2, Qa5+, Kf1, H4, G4 and white has improved the position further.
jrobichess 2 years ago
agreed
panthar1 2 years ago
@ nr1771 and jrobichess
I saw that bishop too. And the h3 pawn is left hanging if king side castling. Queen side castling is out imo as well. but the c file seems to be an advantage.
heraclitus44 2 years ago
G3 is good if you want to castle quickly.
G3 is more defensive than B3
toox 2 years ago
Sorry against people I run b3 first, as you said it challenges the e5
Catsfaith 2 years ago
Nice explanation, often against computers I run d3 then b3 or g3 next. Against People I run the d3 more often as first move, I think for those reasons that e5 gets threatened at once.
About Blacks Nc6, My b4 feels weak, if Nf4 then my c2,d3 pawns are under preasure.
Catsfaith 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing Catsfaith!
jrobichess 2 years ago
B3 WTF!
isddhs 2 years ago
Playing d3 seemed to put white on the defensive, but b3 seems a more aggressive approach.
TheChessvids 2 years ago
Agreed - I like the B3 options and resulting positions much better now. Thanks for checking it out!
jrobichess 2 years ago
At about 8 minutes in, after black pushes the e pawn and the the trade ending with c3xe4, talk about flexible castling position is ruined with d6-b4+. It probably doesn't matter too much but it does mess up the idea of flexible castling options. Otherwise this video does show the pincer attack very nicely though idt it is aggressive enough for my playing style. Keep up the great work.
betrayd69 2 years ago
Thanks for the feedback betray!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Good Stuff JRobi. Keep up the good work, it's nice to see an opponing that you can easily get into (usually), and as you saud just rely on the skill of the player, instead of who is "booked up: more.
Looking forward to your next installment!
Nola213 2 years ago
Thanks for the feedback Nola!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Before I saw this video, I was very skeptical. However, I could see a lot more of the strategic implications of this attack. 5*s as always!
AwNNeR 2 years ago 2
Thanks for checking it out and commenting Aw!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Isn't a kingside castle for black more effective from his/her standpoint? Sure black gets the queen bishop battering ram, but after the e4/d4 push from white and the pieces are traded off, there is a lot of open space inviting the white queen and rooks/ other pieces towards the black king. That looks a little fishy, I believe the king side castle for black is a better option.
ChrisTheGreenMage 2 years ago
Also, you could name this opening the Canadian Opening, seeing as your in Canada and there are no other openings named after it.
ChrisTheGreenMage 2 years ago 2
Black can go either or, Rybka felt a queen side castle was better in the position, but that's just Rybka. Maybe in the next vid I will cover a kingside castle from the same opening strategy. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
jrobi do u have the link to the video (if any) regarding kingscrusher winning the GM with the pincer attack
880330145789 2 years ago
Great piece of work as always ...I would be very much interested to see how black can adopt pincer attack & drive the fate of game ..
babaikaushik 2 years ago
There's also a lot of possibilities to utilize the diagonals to force the king to move around which I think someone better than I could utilize to force white to drop some pieces. Again with Black Bd4, Ke2 or Kf1, Qb5... king ether has to move to g2 or f3 or block with the queen and do an exchange.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
b3 is better.
But to tell you, you might not believe me, I was using the b3 and the g3 tactics 3 years ago (when I was in 6th grade, I'm 13 now). Since then, I've change tactics.
Great videos, keep on making theses :D
abdot1 2 years ago
I think the very last position shown here at 7:45 is a very poor position.
Black moves bishop d6->Bb4 will remove white castle possibility. Blocking with the bishop just drops the bishop, and forks the king and the rook, king moves, bishop takes rook, queen takes bishop. Blocking with the queen drops the queen and the king takes the bishop. So, the best move is to just move the king which eliminates castling.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
Don't forget white's up a pawn there, and might not even need to castle if black makes that push early into the white camp.
jrobichess 2 years ago
B3 is good because It gives you a better position for the pincer attack than the others.
guitarlover230 2 years ago
Can you make more of these kinds of these attacks
guitarlover230 2 years ago
I will be in the future, thanks for checking this one out!
jrobichess 2 years ago
b3 looks best to me!
Vonzi0000 2 years ago 3
Agreed - thanks for checking it out V!
jrobichess 2 years ago
I love this attack. I use it alot in my games.
guitarlover230 2 years ago
Glad to hear that Guitar - thanks for checking it out and feel free to send me as many wins and losses as you can!
jrobichess 2 years ago
What game of kingscrusher? Can u post a Link please?
BoudieBatsnikov 2 years ago
It's on my blog - if KC watches maybe he can put it as a video responce to this which would make it easier for people to go to. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Almost first loool, wont load..
Kcure57 2 years ago
Should be working now - YouTube is able to get them going while still compressing so sometimes that is a factor. That's why the vids are grainy for the first 10 or so minutes.
jrobichess 2 years ago
The video won't load for me, it says there is an error :(
abdot1 2 years ago
Refresh a few times.
Gerstein1 2 years ago 2