I'm a christian myself. And @loser078 all I can say is you did not offend me at all. @VenomFangX Does not know what he is talking about. He needs to read the book of Genesis and Revelations again.
You looked for it. Wonder if it was real. Searched for answers and never knowing for sure. People told you no one would ever find it. It can't be true. You wondered your whole life is God real or not. What happens to me when I die? I can prove to you once and for all God is real and so is His Garden of Eden- I found it! Look at my videos and see it for the first time! I FOUND THE GARDEN OF EDEN !!
you know, when you REALLY think about it, how can god exist, it literally doesn't make sense and CAN'T make sense, i have no problem with being an athiest, i have no doubts that the is no god, it just sounds stupid that something so inexplained and based on nothing more than a book can be so widely believed, and for any christians that think they're being smart, NO, i do not 100% think we're here because of the big bang, but it's based completely on FACTS and research, there is clear evidence
@JasonFili123 explain to me why the CMB/MBR/CBR is there, you think a vacuum of vast nothingness is filled with radioactive elements? not quite.
also, explain to me why the universe IS expanding at uniform velocity... the general thing that indicates expansion of that scale is an explosion...
and why would your "GOD" create the entire universe with billions of quadrillions of stars and quadrillions of planets, only for him to put life on 1 little rock? challenge me bro, i can go ALL day...
Hey, i think I fell in love. lol. You're so calm and collected. So, I was contemplating on whether I should watch this video or not. Most videos about god say that he is't real. You didn't choose a side. I see that this video is more based on science than god. I beleaf that Science exists because of God. Ultradasilva is also right, *user below me*. Humans will never fully understand God's design. Also, your points are very valid and something I think about everyday. Thanks for your take on this.
ok so how about heaven? where is it? what does it look like? what happens when you get there? how do you get there? and if you have to die to get there, then how would anyone know the answers to the questions i just asked? is there any proof that heaven actually exist?
I think it was great that you were so respectful is your argument. I haven't seen the original video you are responding to, I can see that you are a really smart person, ask God for a personal experience just give it a try what can you lose.
I will pray that God shows you the answers to the questions you have I believe God is real by personal super natural experiences I have had and my family I know he is real and pray you one day have a personal experience with him 2.
Instead of disproving or proving god you two were both talking about dimensions. We live in the dimension of time is it infinite, maybe. You are going in a better direction than Venom though, because time is now present and past altogether. When Venom says we dont know how long before us, yes thats true but we know that this is still time it has yet to stop for our universe :D. And you said it doesnt make any sense but i saw you rationalize the answer out .
Like he says, if matter could not exist without time "where would you put it and when would you put it" he says something like that.. so what about that thing that he says created time, where was it and when was it? we don't know that time never existed
Well please enlighten me in this as your argument does not make sense you have the numberline with negative numbers but if thats the case then this represents a time before our ( negative numbers) and 0 is an ending then one is where it could carry on so therefore time is infinite because if you have 0 then times that by any amount u still have zero therefore something must have made it by adding it to 0
@MuSiCrEcOrD5 You're thinking so linearly. I was thinking of it as if the current moment is always 0, and you can go infinitely in either direction (before right now and after).
I mean, clearly I'm just theorizing here, but in this way of thinking, all time exists at once, we just experience it moment by moment. Does that make a bit more sense, in a crazy-ass philosophical way of thinking about time?
@loser078 continue......so im not here to tell you to believe in him all i could tell u..is to some day..jst for a min..ask God to open your eyes to him to some how show you who He is ..and wen He shows you then there is your answer...!!! GBU
@loser078 Maybe his argument didnt make sense..but like you had said sometimes ppl believe in God because of faith or because they grew up in a family that believe in God..but can i tell you something..i grew up in a christian home and yes i could tell you as i grew up i believed in God because well i thought that was the right thing to do..but now i believe in him because to me he is SO real..faith being one of the reasons and another is my nephew..he is a living miracle..
so this whole video you're saying u dont believe in GOD, but after u drop all your stuff you say, "oh my GOD!, everything just fell".. this comes off to me as just another pointless attempt to try and prove to the world (most likely just your circle of friends) that you dont live by "the rules" or u dont believe what anyone tells u to, which is fine, but dont try to act like u know something everyone doesn't.. I respect that u have ur own point of view and arent afraid to share it, but thats it
so this whole video you're saying u dont believe in GOD, but after u drop all your stuff you say, "oh my GOD!, everything just fell".. this comes off to me as just another pointless attempt to try and prove to the world (most likely just your circle of friends) that you dont live by "the rules" or u dont believe what anyone tells u to, which is fine, but dont try to act like u know something everyone doesn't.. I respect that u have ur own point of view and arent afraid to share it, but thats it.
theories. u really shud follow the group, when u talk i kinda have the feeling ur the kind that's out of the group somethin like someone sayn humans are the only species that socialize... do u think its healty and good to be a part of that small percentage? Thank the water before u drink it and thank God when u pray for anything because the group knowledge is better then urs. There is a phrase i cant reproduce vrey well in english but sound somethin like this: The man holly the place!
God is the light. You dont have to bend your mind on this phrase because that's exactly what im saying and it's written in the bible too. If God is the light then things become enlighted somehow or complicated not sure how u will see it. Scientists can estimate that the sun emits a very big number of photons/second. But if God is the light then in the whole universe should be 1 single photon. You can find manny things about photon's or light waves in scientists, physicists or even Einstein's
stop waisting your time........ omfg....... my vid wont stop god help us all!!!!!! even this kid that will not shut up.... going to hit the x button now....
I agree with you for that argumint didn't make any since. for as M theory states, aware univers exists in a maltiyvers were there are thousands of other universes and as such time existed before the universe was born. personally I don't like to get involved in religios conversations for I belive that you should belive what you want to belive, but his argument didn't make since to me. also JesusIsReal seems like a very nerow minded persion to me at lest, oh and I know my spelling is atrocious.
dude@loser078 u wanna argue on dis den tell me just a simple thing.....science had made such progress....can u explain wats d mechanism of from where consiocuness comes into a baby inside his mother..........i mean its....d sperm d x chromosome and y chromosme and dats how lady become pregnant.....just tell me wat no1 can still explain .......wats d fact dat brings consiocusness....in a child how does he started to breathe......science had prrooved dat spirits exist and by experiments...........
dude@loser078 u wanna argue on dis den tell me just a simple thing.....science had made such progress....can u explain wats d mechanism of from where consiocuness comes into a baby inside his mother..........i mean its....d sperm d x chromosome and y chromosme and dats how lady become pregnant.....just tell me wat no1 can still explain .......wats d fact dat brings consiocusness....in a child how does he started to breathe......science had prrooved dat spirits exist and by experiments
dude@loser078 u wanna argue on dis den tell me just a simple thing.....science had made such progress....can u explain wats d mechanism of from where consiocuness comes into a baby inside his mother..........i mean its....d sperm d x
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (Holy Quran21-30)
People will always believe in God because we have not figured out how matter came to be. We have not figured out what was the VERY beginning. Everybody just needs to except it. You can't prove it or disprove it. Not yet that is.
You know you don't even have to tell me that your an atheist, because you like the color of black. I can see that good is not shining his light on you...I will pray for you my friend.
@JesusIsReal1000 all right asshole, im a christian, black is my favorite color, doesnt mean im an athiest or bad, the color black is a shade just like white is the color of my skin
There is no such thing as an infinite amount of time, because time only pertains to finite things. Infinite = eternal = TIMEless
VFX's question is nonsensical to start. In addition to that, if anyone were to grant that an infinite amount of time would mean that a given point would never(which is dumb)occurred then any omnipotent being, despite access to time axis arbitration, would have never created the universe, since God is supposedly immutable there is no point at which he decided anything.
You Woke up this morning, your breathing. There is a God. Put a alarm clock in the grave yard and see if anybody wakes up. He gave your you breath. Just Praise Hime.
I think you're a smart guy, but I got a math equation for you. What's infinity + 1387. Well, it's infinity. What's infinity - 1538. Well... infinity. So, this means that if time did not have a start, and time were infinite, then time would still be progressing to an infinite amount of time ago, thus, we would never of had this conversation. Think about it, it basically explains that time has a start.
I understand you don't understand, and honestly I don't have a full back ground on this video, for the simple fact I haven't seen VenomFangX's video, but "Infinite" can be explained like this.
I have a stick, if the stick can be measured than it's not "Infinite" time as we humans know it is not "Infinite".
@TimjimPhD "I have a stick, if the stick can be measured than it's not 'Infinite' time as we humans know it is not 'Infinite'."
As far as humans can perceive, sure, time is finite. However, as humans, we can't step back and look at time like a stick. We can only measure time as we experience it. There's no way to know how far beyond our perception the "stick" of time extends.
How can we prove god if we cant prove our own existence in this universe
How do you know this is not just a dream a very real dream. You can't disprove it and you can't prove it.. So by alot of the logics of theist, my theory is real.
Religion makes us slaves. It holds us back to our true potential. It keeps us still and does not let us go foward. It keeps us in check to the church And we pay them for it
What is god? Is god the universe itself. It is defenetly not what they tell us...
@skater3shefik Read Descartes. He's the "I think, therefore I am" philosopher. His whole theory was that since you're currently questioning your own existence, you must exist as some thinking thing. Not necessarily the physical human body you perceive, but you're something that can think, and that's proof you exist. However, he also says God must also exist because a maker leaves its impression on it's creation and since you can think, that's the trace of God in you. Interesting stuff.
Time began when the big bang occurred. So time didn't exist before then. Time is the 4th dimension and the other 3 didn't exist pre-big bang. All four were formed after once the big bang occurred.
This planet is orchestrated and the conductor and creator is God. We are here for a reason and a purpose, we are not an accident. Even Darwin recanted his views on evolution on his death bed and gave his life to Christ. hmm makes you wonder hey.
This planet is orchestrated and the conductor and creator is God. We are here for a reason and a purpose, we are not an accident. Even Darwin recanted his views on evolution on his death bed and gave his life to Christ. hmm makes you wonder hey.
This planet is orchestrated and the conductor and creator is God. We are here for a reason and a purpose, we are not an accident. Even Darwin recanted his views on evolution on his death bed and gave his life to Christ. hmm makes you wonder hey.
i got alot of questions, like if adam and eve was first 2 people on earth when earth was created. how would anyone have proof? and how did they live before the dinasaur age if humans arent around then. ive been thinking and im confused about god. i have begining to think the government made us this mith about relegion so people did not do bad. liek do not steal kill etc etc. anyone can help me in a way to think about this?
@brandon8614 Religion is definitely a useful tool in population control. Christians have different options about your dinosaur question. Some think God's seven days of creating the universe weren't 24 hour days as we know them, but periods of time, could have been hundreds, thousands, millions of years per "day". Others think God planted dinosaur bones to test and mislead us. In my opinion, perhaps God exists, but the bible is a bunch of bullshit.
@loser078 I mean the bible is written thousands of year ago so yeah it will have so much things that could be BS...but guess what...you miss a part....the bible mention about the Hold Spirit who will teach us about God.
@loser078 Population control is quite correct. In fact if you look at the tradition of Christmas, you will see that it celebrates the birth of Jesus. However, historical proof tells us that this "jesus" was born in spring - summer. However, the political leaders at the time made Christmas fall on the date of December 25th to compete with a Pagan ritual, in an effort to overcome, and overpower this Pagan ritual with their own, attempting to make theirs more important.
Love is not knowledge, therefore can never be called science.. and as with reality being bigger then we might ever be able to understand, love is greater than what we ever might be able to understand, and so is already science and our knowledge.. I think it all, is mostly about faith and belief.. about things.. :) Interesting. Hugs and best wishes
Proof that God is real: God promises to give you a chocolate bar, you want the chocolate bar, and given the amount of time and the number of lives statistically speaking someone should get the chocolate bar. If you roll the dice a million times all possibilities of the dice eventually are rolled.
But if there is a God, then all the possibilities of the dice do not come up because God manipulates them. This is why there is not one political system that works, why there is always the haves and the have nots, why there is always perpetual war. If it all were just a random throw of the dice, we should at least have one day of peace. Just one day. But no, that never comes up on the dice.
About the whole time thing and VenomFangX? I have no idea, I don't really want to follow VenomFangX down whatever rabbit hole. Did you see the Cheshire Cat?
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thats how all religious arguments go--- god exists because the bible says so, the bible is true because god exists, just a circle of nonsense. religious ppl r idiots.
when there is a beginning, you have got to understand that what follows is a end... if theres a beginning, there is a end right? you have to say yes, logically...
tell me the first 4 words in the bible in genesis 1:1?
Gen 1:1 In the beginning YAH created the heavens and the earth.
He said in the beginning, so before He said this, did time exisit? or did He push the time button when He said it?
the meaning of His name- "I Am" -makes sense- the 1st conscious thought and the source of all in existance, but still uncreated with no predecessor.
So, before the 1st thought, time did not exist in observed, recorded events.
These are my thoughts, and it is no more a stretch of the imagination than is some 'pre-matter' quark or string deciding to explode to create all matter, and then that created intelligence.
At some point in time, 'I am' happened- God or us. Was matter 1st or 2nd?
matter cannot make LOVE, LOVE makes matter to exisit in our universe, "YAH is LOVE 1 john 4:16, not the conditional love we give, but the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that He gave His only begotten son to this earth to purchase me and you..
Gen 1:31 And God saw EVERYTHING that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
notice "everything", (intelligence, matter, energy and so on, that must mean time as well.
We are sim. in our beliefs about YHWH, but we just have diff.beliefs about the details. I believe that 'the only begotten son' is just that. We're spkg. in Eng., so I'll use Jesus as the messiah's name. He returned to heaven to sit at Yah's right hand.
We read Prov. 8: 22-30 diff. I read that Yah produced 'Wisdom' as the beginning of His ways. V 24 bears this out.
If he had "someone else...to love" as you say, that makes it two beings, and Yah created everything.
it does make 2 beings, not three or the trinity aspect.
Yes YAH did produce wisdom, but remember the big picture,
Pro 30:4 Who has gone up to Heaven and has come down? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in His garments? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is HIS NAME, and what is His Son's NAME? Surely you know.
this vs shows us that 2 beings did the whole creation event, YAHUVEH and His Son YAHUSHUA.
Please provide a script. that says 'time means nothing to Yah'. The Heb. script. are full of Yah's setting times for events and the fulfilling of His will.
If , with Him, one thought follows another, then He lives in linear time, since His thoughts started linear time.
His time perspective is different, but He has a future and a past just like His creation.
30 yrs ago I researched the 'trinity' thoroughly, apart from relig. dogma, and found that the scriptures do not support it.
sorry, i meant YAH is not in time like we are in time...
He can take anybody thru time "back and fourth" here is scripture that talks about ezekiel being picked up and been taken thru time into the future, to todays time, Yahushua showed ezekiel our time that todays majority of so called christians are not following HIM, they are not keeping His Commandments, the sabbath day has been changed to sunday, read ezekiel 8:16 they are worshipng on the SUN-day now since constantine
He is telling us "I am the First and the Last, rev 1:8, He is just implying, He is ALL you need, stop looking else were, Yahushua created me and you and everything in exisitance with His Father Yahuveh.
The Father spoke it, His Son created it.
Joh 1:3 ALL THINGS came into exisitance through Yahushua, and without Him not even one thing came into exisitance that has come into exisitance.
make your creator the first in your life, face it, No one else will give u everlasting life...
I'll ignore the troll and speak with you, as was my purpose. No, I'm not angry with him, but I do lose my patience with his kind, and I'm working on that. Jesus said "Love your enemies" (even the rude ones), so I work on that.
You are touching on the relationship that I've spent so much time on- between the Father and the Son.
I see Revelation 1:1 as a definition- A revelation that God gave to Jesus...
only scripture base, try to be very simple, YAH sayss 1 corn 14:33 He is NOT a Elohim of confusion... so if you and i was confused in the scriptures, then we are not looking at it from another angle to we shouldn't be confused.
but if i was going with those flash words, it would be Duo, becauses with scriptures, i can prove that there are only Two beings, Seperate, but one in character, in purpose, in nature.. And Yahuvehs Son Yahushua Ha Moshiach is ALL deity once again, after His death.
and i have spent heaps of time on the relationship as well and it is very interesting, if you can get this bit here;
YAHUVEH the Father Spoke, genesis 1 chapter, the whatever the Father says, His Son YAHUSHUA did it. So.... if the Father doesn't say anything, His Son does nothing... please send me a personal msg and both of us can learn together, because i would mind to here what u have studied and vice-reverse,
send me a personal msg on this subject, and i will show you everything.
Here are some to think about
the letter "j" is not in the Hebrew alfabet, and also the letter "j" was known in the 1500s, 500 some yrs ago, there is a problem, our Moshiach was born 2000 some yrs ago... abit fishy, read acts 4:12 then brake it down, then you will see something that i didn't see for ages.
I disagree with the supposition that there ever was a beginning or an ending to the ENTIRE universe. I do however agree that people die and that matter appears tobe winding down in galaxies, but there is no evidence that the universe is comprised of a global end. There is no evidence of the big bang either. The radio telescope static is the product of super massive stars exploding infinitely in and infinite universe. There is no big bang, and that leaves the possibility of a God, but not yours.
If God does exist your God is just a slice of the truth in it's numerous manifestations. How can one contain God in a box? God is closer to the taoist interpretation of the resolution of paradoxical thinking. Not imminent not transcendant. That sort of thinking is limited. Ex nihilo nihil fit " out of nothing comes nothing is not possible. You must have something to define the nothing and nothing to define the something in human perception.
I expected nothing less from the christo-fascists who try to silence others by exclusion. This is typical of right wing elitism. At least I gave it a shot. Not my fault you don't have the capacity to understand the basic concepts and it's not your fault either really you're just wired to be narrow. My apologies for having awakened you from your virtual slumber. Oh, by the way I've never touched drugs or alcohol so I will await an apology. Unless of course you are not Christian enough to do so.
You have absolutely zero ability to assess me, and are deluded if you think you can, being much worse than the C-F you accuse me of being.
I raised the q. based on YOUR comments. I apologize only when I err. My 'question' about smoking was to drive home a point that your comments sounded like you 'smoked'- capishe?
You didn't 'give it a shot'- you injected yourself into a conversation, disagreed, and opened yourself up to rebuttal. If that is beyond your comp., quit butting in.
This is typical of the angry angry right wing fanatical terrorist propaganda. Your comments are only ad-hominem attacks without an ounce of civility. Why are you so angry. You should'nt be knowing that your God loves you. You seem like you want to control the whole conversation if not the whole universe. Maybe you think you are God? I feel for you and your unbridled arrogance and anger that comes from a very uncomfortable place known as DOUBT. I wish you could find peace instead of hostility.
Anger is not a healthy place for someone so delicate and unsure as you are to begin from. Perhaps you should re-examin why you're spiritually dead?" Ye are the salt of the earth,but if the salt have lost it's savor wherewith shall it be salted?"Consider these words of Christ as a revelation not just for christians but for the soul which escapes uniformity and condemnations from absolutes and the tryanny of modern fanatical right wing perversions of Christianity or Islam.You CAN escape your hate.
@DonObeWan3, by the way your use of the bible to deceive yourself and others for even the devil will use scripture for his own purposes. You lack the gift of discernment which in more intelligent and well meaning Christians is evident by their tolerance and lack of anger towards their fellow man. You should pray on your delivery from such totalitarian and demonically inspired hatred. I find that my Christian friends who are happy and healthy people do not cut off conversations they cannot win.
In my opinion; time didn't exist before because none was there to measure it.. we the humans created time with the evolution of consciousness in a way to measure life limitations and all things that surround us ... life goes on the same as before our consciousness, the problem is that we the humans complicate our lives by asking impossible questions to be answer...
Whatever happened to VenomFangX anyway? Some other dude has his channel now, what's the deal? Is Shawn under another screen name now, or has he left youtube all together?
You don't really refute or give counter arguments like you claim to. All you do is state that you don't understand. Saying 'What? I don't get it.? over and over is not a valid refutation.
FangX is chaos. He even tries to prove the existance of God using the big bang THEORY. Which we all know is on the verge of being discredited given the amount of galaxies that are still being discovered by the hubble deep field photos. This only brings steady state theory back into play. There was no beginning to the universe and there is no end. It is just an endless parade of galaxies and strange phenomena going on forever and ever without end without beginning.
Good point. I heard that FangX is false DMCA -ing people. He does more harm to true faith than good. I find him childish at best. Has for the age of the universe, I do not think anyone can say from our perspective. FangX's arguments don't make sence to me and I'm a believer. God is beyond scientific examination like loser078 says.
VenomFangX is just an arrogant little rich snob. He wouldn't let you post comments if they even REMOTELY disagreed with his, and he acted like he was a perfect know it all. Like he didn't need to discuss things with others about THEIR interpretations of scripture, because HIS interpretations of scripture are ALWAYS right. I ask any christians out there, who are SUPPOSED to be humble, where is the humility in arrogance? Shawn can't see his own faults, which strangles potential christian wisdom.
Agreed, he probably wouldn't even consider the gnostic gospels which were disgarded because they were too spooky and confusing for the pope at that time. They said it was inconsistant with the story. I think most haven't practised the real thing since the crucifixtion.
With all respect, If it isn't too much trouble I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd be so kind as to supply the chapter(s) and or verse(s) that support what "the bible says" about this theory of jesus in his pre-earthly existance. If you are refering to the Father , The son and the Holy spirit as one entity then Jesus existed as both God and the holy spirit in triune before the beginning of time. Jesus arrival on earth in physical form was not the beginning of creation. Continued...
God was never alone in space because he is neither imminent or transcendant. Both words are seemingly contradictory and yet when you consider that you can't have the nothing without something and something without nothing you begin to understand in a very crude way how God is beyond the world of opposites. God is where those contradictions are burried. It is the only resolution to the problem of eastern and western philosophy. Something and nothing are co-dependant and God resolves the two.
Now, keep in mind that I do not neccessarily believe in any of this, but the taoist part of the equation does appeal to my sense of logic. I can gleam for instance and believe that from the mounting evidence that the universe has always been here and probably will always exist. Stars will die and be reborn in stellar nursuries as will galaxies, but mounting evidence does not look good for the big bang. In short there was NO single point of creation thus making the biblical creation obsolete.
ugh, maybe we should think of infinity on a line that goes infinitely negative and positive. If you move one more unit positive from +infinity, you are still and +infinity and if you move one unit negative from -infinity, you are still at -infinity. infinity + 1 = infinity, and -infinity - 1 = -infinity.
People need to understand that concept before they make statements about infinity.
If you're going debate someone, it might be good not to repeat "I don't understand" and not to blather on shaking your head and cupping your face with your hands!
DNA contains LANGUAGE. Language requires A MIND. Information exists independently of its medium. Case closed.
Also, Darwin lived back in the time of Lincoln. No way to look inside a biological cell. He presumed that a cell was just a simple blob of goo. NOW we've learned that a cell is made up of a universe of unspeakably sophisticated machines and systems governed by information and language.
DNA code has revealed the truth about the origin of the species which is that biological life forms are the creative product of an extremely intelligent MIND.
The only languages known to man are of human-mind origin, and DNA. Scientists don't know who encoded DNA. Animals utilize low level communication skills NOT language. Language requires an alphabet. DNA is encoded with chapters, sentences,words & letters complete with syntax. DNA INSTRUCTIONS are first INFORMATION INTEL. No different than the thoughts you have in your mind BEFORE you even type them. Language requires intent, purpose and authorship (a mind). DNA contains information and language.
MORE FACTS stated in the BIBLE for thousands of years BEFORE they were "scientifically confirmed": - The universe is expanding - Creation of matter and energy has ended in the universe [refutes steady-state theory] - The earth is controlled by the heavens - Earth is a sphere - Earth is suspended in space - Sun orbits on a circuit - Earth began as a waterworld - Light is in motion - The earth is controlled by the heavens - At any time, night and day exist simultaneously on the earth
MORE FACTS stated in the BIBLE for thousands of years BEFORE they were "scientifically confirmed": - Water cycle described - Valleys exist on the bottom of the sea - Vents exist on the bottom of the sea - Ocean currents in the sea - Air has weight - Winds blow in circular paths - The chemical nature of human life - Life of creatures are in the blood - The nature of infectious diseases - Importance of sanitation to health
i totaly see yor point. me as a christian think the all famous question of time and who created god is erelavent now because i dont think that our minds could even grasp the concept of it . scientist say we only use ten percent of our brain so grasping anything out side of that is impossible even enstien only used 10 % and he was a genuous acroding to "people"
So how in the world can you be a neutral party? even if God came to the earth and stood right infront of you, you still would not believe cause you are so closed minded, once you give every aspect of life a try then decide where you stand, thats the day i will really believe this free thinker nonsense.
I see where you're coming from. But at the same time, I don't need to give cannibalism a try to know it's not for me. Or try really hard to believe that unicorns exist to have a valid opinion that they don't. I try to analyze each argument or piece of evidence with an open mind. I may immediately start thinking of ways to falsify it, but that's what every good thinker should do. There are arguments for the "God exists" opinion that I have a hard time refuting...and I'm fine with admitting that.
Ok? so you say his argument is ilogical, when you barley made an argument yourself? i hate people like you who claim to be free thinkers, but you clearly making your morals from atheism. If your so open to a counter argument, then why did you even post this video? all your trying to do is prove him wrong with out even stating a clear point yourself. All your trying to is prove God is not really there, and i bet my life that you have never even given this godly way of life a try, so how can you
its like this people its said in the bible that the holy spirt does not dwell with the wicked. sayingf that think of this. people that are not evil or wicked feel bad when they do something wrong that is the conscience messing with your head. people that are wicked have no remorse for what they do that is bad. in my best opinion the conscience is the spirt telling you what you do is bad when you do it.
I'm a christian myself. And @loser078 all I can say is you did not offend me at all. @VenomFangX Does not know what he is talking about. He needs to read the book of Genesis and Revelations again.
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looseendsful 1 month ago
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You looked for it. Wonder if it was real. Searched for answers and never knowing for sure. People told you no one would ever find it. It can't be true. You wondered your whole life is God real or not. What happens to me when I die? I can prove to you once and for all God is real and so is His Garden of Eden- I found it! Look at my videos and see it for the first time! I FOUND THE GARDEN OF EDEN !!
downyourtube 3 months ago
you know, when you REALLY think about it, how can god exist, it literally doesn't make sense and CAN'T make sense, i have no problem with being an athiest, i have no doubts that the is no god, it just sounds stupid that something so inexplained and based on nothing more than a book can be so widely believed, and for any christians that think they're being smart, NO, i do not 100% think we're here because of the big bang, but it's based completely on FACTS and research, there is clear evidence
elmotouchesme97 3 months ago 2
@elmotouchesme97 Prove it
JasonFili123 2 weeks ago
@JasonFili123 explain to me why the CMB/MBR/CBR is there, you think a vacuum of vast nothingness is filled with radioactive elements? not quite.
also, explain to me why the universe IS expanding at uniform velocity... the general thing that indicates expansion of that scale is an explosion...
and why would your "GOD" create the entire universe with billions of quadrillions of stars and quadrillions of planets, only for him to put life on 1 little rock? challenge me bro, i can go ALL day...
elmotouchesme97 2 weeks ago
Hey, i think I fell in love. lol. You're so calm and collected. So, I was contemplating on whether I should watch this video or not. Most videos about god say that he is't real. You didn't choose a side. I see that this video is more based on science than god. I beleaf that Science exists because of God. Ultradasilva is also right, *user below me*. Humans will never fully understand God's design. Also, your points are very valid and something I think about everyday. Thanks for your take on this.
mizeri4life108 6 months ago
Human minds will never come close to understanding Gods design. It's like ants in an anthill trying to figure out what's outside their colony.
ultradasilva 6 months ago
I can prove God is real. I found the Garden of Eden He created. Look at my Videos.
downyourtube 7 months ago
i agree with venomxfang but buzz lightyear goes to infinitey and beyond
jacob9717 9 months ago
ok so how about heaven? where is it? what does it look like? what happens when you get there? how do you get there? and if you have to die to get there, then how would anyone know the answers to the questions i just asked? is there any proof that heaven actually exist?
edudumlr 9 months ago
I think it was great that you were so respectful is your argument. I haven't seen the original video you are responding to, I can see that you are a really smart person, ask God for a personal experience just give it a try what can you lose.
I will pray that God shows you the answers to the questions you have I believe God is real by personal super natural experiences I have had and my family I know he is real and pray you one day have a personal experience with him 2.
Dinagil1 10 months ago
Instead of disproving or proving god you two were both talking about dimensions. We live in the dimension of time is it infinite, maybe. You are going in a better direction than Venom though, because time is now present and past altogether. When Venom says we dont know how long before us, yes thats true but we know that this is still time it has yet to stop for our universe :D. And you said it doesnt make any sense but i saw you rationalize the answer out .
Jukoe08 10 months ago
you're adorable! Haha!
cirqueraven91 1 year ago
@cirqueraven91 lol thanks?
loser078 1 year ago
Like he says, if matter could not exist without time "where would you put it and when would you put it" he says something like that.. so what about that thing that he says created time, where was it and when was it? we don't know that time never existed
wister555 1 year ago
Well please enlighten me in this as your argument does not make sense you have the numberline with negative numbers but if thats the case then this represents a time before our ( negative numbers) and 0 is an ending then one is where it could carry on so therefore time is infinite because if you have 0 then times that by any amount u still have zero therefore something must have made it by adding it to 0
MuSiCrEcOrD5 1 year ago
@MuSiCrEcOrD5 You're thinking so linearly. I was thinking of it as if the current moment is always 0, and you can go infinitely in either direction (before right now and after).
I mean, clearly I'm just theorizing here, but in this way of thinking, all time exists at once, we just experience it moment by moment. Does that make a bit more sense, in a crazy-ass philosophical way of thinking about time?
loser078 1 year ago
God is fake. Disagree? prove me otherwise without faith/bible-related BULLSHIT ^_^
codyjohn1551 1 year ago
@loser078 continue......so im not here to tell you to believe in him all i could tell u..is to some day..jst for a min..ask God to open your eyes to him to some how show you who He is ..and wen He shows you then there is your answer...!!! GBU
LoQueTeAseFeliz 1 year ago
@loser078 Maybe his argument didnt make sense..but like you had said sometimes ppl believe in God because of faith or because they grew up in a family that believe in God..but can i tell you something..i grew up in a christian home and yes i could tell you as i grew up i believed in God because well i thought that was the right thing to do..but now i believe in him because to me he is SO real..faith being one of the reasons and another is my nephew..he is a living miracle..
LoQueTeAseFeliz 1 year ago
It has been proven that the universe has not always been here
ytrewq102 1 year ago
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so this whole video you're saying u dont believe in GOD, but after u drop all your stuff you say, "oh my GOD!, everything just fell".. this comes off to me as just another pointless attempt to try and prove to the world (most likely just your circle of friends) that you dont live by "the rules" or u dont believe what anyone tells u to, which is fine, but dont try to act like u know something everyone doesn't.. I respect that u have ur own point of view and arent afraid to share it, but thats it
602eli 1 year ago
so this whole video you're saying u dont believe in GOD, but after u drop all your stuff you say, "oh my GOD!, everything just fell".. this comes off to me as just another pointless attempt to try and prove to the world (most likely just your circle of friends) that you dont live by "the rules" or u dont believe what anyone tells u to, which is fine, but dont try to act like u know something everyone doesn't.. I respect that u have ur own point of view and arent afraid to share it, but thats it.
602eli 1 year ago
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who will send me to hell?
i just dont know because i dont believe...
MrBiffi 1 year ago
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What are your religious beliefs, just out of curiosity?
scarlettsnowe 1 year ago
If you dont believe in God before you go to sleep say God if your real prove it to me
adyizgangsta 1 year ago
@adyizgangsta why before I go to sleep?
loser078 1 year ago
@loser078 LOL...so the subliminal suggestion is planted and your mind manufactures an experience in which God appears to communicate with you.
TheMercilessEye 1 year ago
@adyizgangsta EXACTLY. haha
loser078 1 year ago
@adyizgangsta why do u want people to sleep talk loser!!!!!
medevil13 1 year ago
theories. u really shud follow the group, when u talk i kinda have the feeling ur the kind that's out of the group somethin like someone sayn humans are the only species that socialize... do u think its healty and good to be a part of that small percentage? Thank the water before u drink it and thank God when u pray for anything because the group knowledge is better then urs. There is a phrase i cant reproduce vrey well in english but sound somethin like this: The man holly the place!
AlexandruBogdan81 1 year ago
God is the light. You dont have to bend your mind on this phrase because that's exactly what im saying and it's written in the bible too. If God is the light then things become enlighted somehow or complicated not sure how u will see it. Scientists can estimate that the sun emits a very big number of photons/second. But if God is the light then in the whole universe should be 1 single photon. You can find manny things about photon's or light waves in scientists, physicists or even Einstein's
AlexandruBogdan81 1 year ago
stop waisting your time........ omfg....... my vid wont stop god help us all!!!!!! even this kid that will not shut up.... going to hit the x button now....
AcRfAN 1 year ago
I agree with you for that argumint didn't make any since. for as M theory states, aware univers exists in a maltiyvers were there are thousands of other universes and as such time existed before the universe was born. personally I don't like to get involved in religios conversations for I belive that you should belive what you want to belive, but his argument didn't make since to me. also JesusIsReal seems like a very nerow minded persion to me at lest, oh and I know my spelling is atrocious.
gunwolfalpha 1 year ago
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dude@loser078 u wanna argue on dis den tell me just a simple thing.....science had made such progress....can u explain wats d mechanism of from where consiocuness comes into a baby inside his mother..........i mean its....d sperm d x chromosome and y chromosme and dats how lady become pregnant.....just tell me wat no1 can still explain .......wats d fact dat brings consiocusness....in a child how does he started to breathe......science had prrooved dat spirits exist and by experiments...........
shady6214 1 year ago
dude@loser078 u wanna argue on dis den tell me just a simple thing.....science had made such progress....can u explain wats d mechanism of from where consiocuness comes into a baby inside his mother..........i mean its....d sperm d x chromosome and y chromosme and dats how lady become pregnant.....just tell me wat no1 can still explain .......wats d fact dat brings consiocusness....in a child how does he started to breathe......science had prrooved dat spirits exist and by experiments
shady6214 1 year ago
dude@loser078 u wanna argue on dis den tell me just a simple thing.....science had made such progress....can u explain wats d mechanism of from where consiocuness comes into a baby inside his mother..........i mean its....d sperm d x
shady6214 1 year ago
if god is real then satan is rael??? god ease love for the wisdom of the satan as devil is temptation for the eternalness of the goddess
dedanoe 1 year ago
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (Holy Quran21-30)
ymuqla 1 year ago
People will always believe in God because we have not figured out how matter came to be. We have not figured out what was the VERY beginning. Everybody just needs to except it. You can't prove it or disprove it. Not yet that is.
Thatcow333 1 year ago
i also love the colour black and its real that the colour black was the first couler that came
FatMissyCat 1 year ago
You know you don't even have to tell me that your an atheist, because you like the color of black. I can see that good is not shining his light on you...I will pray for you my friend.
JesusIsReal1000 1 year ago
@JesusIsReal1000 I'm not an atheist, but thanks for judging me based on the colour of my shirt.
loser078 1 year ago 6
@loser078 I am sorry about that bro.
JesusIsReal1000 1 year ago
@loser078 Heh. I'm an atheist and my favorite color is pink.
Anyways, I've enjoyed your videos.
BitternessMusic 1 year ago
@loser078 hmmm...christians tend to judge people by a color in their appearance...
blackerthanebony100 1 year ago
@blackerthanebony100 Hmm..I've never noticed that as a common trait among Christians...
loser078 1 year ago
@JesusIsReal1000 all right asshole, im a christian, black is my favorite color, doesnt mean im an athiest or bad, the color black is a shade just like white is the color of my skin
goobyhoo 1 year ago
@goobyhoo I am sorry about that.
JesusIsReal1000 1 year ago
@JesusIsReal1000 have fun praying to the sky you fuckin lunatic
Confedy682 1 year ago
@JesusIsReal1000 Discriminating bastard.
codyjohn1551 11 months ago
@JesusIsReal1000 PRAY FOR ME TOO
waywonder13 7 months ago
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AT HIS FACE
dannyz780 1 year ago
There is no such thing as an infinite amount of time, because time only pertains to finite things. Infinite = eternal = TIMEless
VFX's question is nonsensical to start. In addition to that, if anyone were to grant that an infinite amount of time would mean that a given point would never(which is dumb)occurred then any omnipotent being, despite access to time axis arbitration, would have never created the universe, since God is supposedly immutable there is no point at which he decided anything.
lookit87 1 year ago
You Woke up this morning, your breathing. There is a God. Put a alarm clock in the grave yard and see if anybody wakes up. He gave your you breath. Just Praise Hime.
bluesky37043 1 year ago
Jesus said if their not against us their with us well apparently he's against us so we are against u
Chaseevers 1 year ago
I think you're a smart guy, but I got a math equation for you. What's infinity + 1387. Well, it's infinity. What's infinity - 1538. Well... infinity. So, this means that if time did not have a start, and time were infinite, then time would still be progressing to an infinite amount of time ago, thus, we would never of had this conversation. Think about it, it basically explains that time has a start.
Manifest222 1 year ago
you just proved that the only way people who belive in god can not explain it is by confusing contridiction's.
phattyphatchris 1 year ago
wats that shit on ur chin
oh my god your an atheist its soo controversial. im on my way right now to go alarm the media of your ludicrous ideas.
sootfactory 1 year ago
I understand you don't understand, and honestly I don't have a full back ground on this video, for the simple fact I haven't seen VenomFangX's video, but "Infinite" can be explained like this.
I have a stick, if the stick can be measured than it's not "Infinite" time as we humans know it is not "Infinite".
TimjimPhD 1 year ago
@TimjimPhD "I have a stick, if the stick can be measured than it's not 'Infinite' time as we humans know it is not 'Infinite'."
As far as humans can perceive, sure, time is finite. However, as humans, we can't step back and look at time like a stick. We can only measure time as we experience it. There's no way to know how far beyond our perception the "stick" of time extends.
loser078 1 year ago
How can we prove god if we cant prove our own existence in this universe
How do you know this is not just a dream a very real dream. You can't disprove it and you can't prove it.. So by alot of the logics of theist, my theory is real.
Religion makes us slaves. It holds us back to our true potential. It keeps us still and does not let us go foward. It keeps us in check to the church And we pay them for it
What is god? Is god the universe itself. It is defenetly not what they tell us...
skater3shefik 1 year ago
@skater3shefik Read Descartes. He's the "I think, therefore I am" philosopher. His whole theory was that since you're currently questioning your own existence, you must exist as some thinking thing. Not necessarily the physical human body you perceive, but you're something that can think, and that's proof you exist. However, he also says God must also exist because a maker leaves its impression on it's creation and since you can think, that's the trace of God in you. Interesting stuff.
loser078 1 year ago
Time began when the big bang occurred. So time didn't exist before then. Time is the 4th dimension and the other 3 didn't exist pre-big bang. All four were formed after once the big bang occurred.
berniebay 1 year ago
How the fuck was his argument proof that God was real? It's just a load of shot about time and physics. It makes no sense.
I am with this guy's argument 100%.
And to the person below me, you have no proof, we have no proof, we just believe in what we believe. Leave it at that.
ThisHaloFan 1 year ago
God is most definitely real
byScrooby 1 year ago
@byScrooby finally someone says that
DrThornZilla2 11 months ago
SATANIC BEARD! XD
flamer41 1 year ago
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This planet is orchestrated and the conductor and creator is God. We are here for a reason and a purpose, we are not an accident. Even Darwin recanted his views on evolution on his death bed and gave his life to Christ. hmm makes you wonder hey.
mullalyl 1 year ago
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This planet is orchestrated and the conductor and creator is God. We are here for a reason and a purpose, we are not an accident. Even Darwin recanted his views on evolution on his death bed and gave his life to Christ. hmm makes you wonder hey.
mullalyl 1 year ago
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This planet is orchestrated and the conductor and creator is God. We are here for a reason and a purpose, we are not an accident. Even Darwin recanted his views on evolution on his death bed and gave his life to Christ. hmm makes you wonder hey.
mullalyl 1 year ago
venim is funny haha he is such a dotard but ur not :)
hannahjuani101 1 year ago
Can God create a stone that is too heavy for him to lift?
RickyBobby92492 1 year ago
i love your response arguments...but u apologise too much in the beginning. lol. it's nice to be nice, but keep the intros to under 30 seconds.
lazim1 1 year ago
dude ur tottally right your awesome
BlondeColombian 1 year ago
i got alot of questions, like if adam and eve was first 2 people on earth when earth was created. how would anyone have proof? and how did they live before the dinasaur age if humans arent around then. ive been thinking and im confused about god. i have begining to think the government made us this mith about relegion so people did not do bad. liek do not steal kill etc etc. anyone can help me in a way to think about this?
brandon8614 1 year ago
@brandon8614 Religion is definitely a useful tool in population control. Christians have different options about your dinosaur question. Some think God's seven days of creating the universe weren't 24 hour days as we know them, but periods of time, could have been hundreds, thousands, millions of years per "day". Others think God planted dinosaur bones to test and mislead us. In my opinion, perhaps God exists, but the bible is a bunch of bullshit.
loser078 1 year ago
@loser078 I mean the bible is written thousands of year ago so yeah it will have so much things that could be BS...but guess what...you miss a part....the bible mention about the Hold Spirit who will teach us about God.
Eugene012 1 year ago
@loser078 Population control is quite correct. In fact if you look at the tradition of Christmas, you will see that it celebrates the birth of Jesus. However, historical proof tells us that this "jesus" was born in spring - summer. However, the political leaders at the time made Christmas fall on the date of December 25th to compete with a Pagan ritual, in an effort to overcome, and overpower this Pagan ritual with their own, attempting to make theirs more important.
Lotsofgoatses 1 year ago
@brandon8614 Religion is far older then Government.
creepycody 1 year ago
Lol I agree with you
But ur really bad a responses
BaltoMovie 1 year ago
Love is not knowledge, therefore can never be called science.. and as with reality being bigger then we might ever be able to understand, love is greater than what we ever might be able to understand, and so is already science and our knowledge.. I think it all, is mostly about faith and belief.. about things.. :) Interesting. Hugs and best wishes
kultan85 1 year ago
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logic kinda kicked shawns theroy but ....... still believe in jesus/god/holyghost though
millboinig 1 year ago
logic kinda kicked shawns theroy ....... still believe in jesus/god/holyghost though
millboinig 1 year ago
logic kinda kicked shawns theroy ....... still believe in jesus/god/holyghost though
millboinig 1 year ago
gos is bad
therealmeissick 1 year ago
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ebayrocks5051 1 year ago
Proof that God is real: God promises to give you a chocolate bar, you want the chocolate bar, and given the amount of time and the number of lives statistically speaking someone should get the chocolate bar. If you roll the dice a million times all possibilities of the dice eventually are rolled.
Carex09 1 year ago
But if there is a God, then all the possibilities of the dice do not come up because God manipulates them. This is why there is not one political system that works, why there is always the haves and the have nots, why there is always perpetual war. If it all were just a random throw of the dice, we should at least have one day of peace. Just one day. But no, that never comes up on the dice.
Carex09 1 year ago
About the whole time thing and VenomFangX? I have no idea, I don't really want to follow VenomFangX down whatever rabbit hole. Did you see the Cheshire Cat?
Carex09 1 year ago
Just enjoy life. Some day hopefully we can be in a heaven, if not w.e I'm fine just sleeping
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
looks!! snape is on youtube
MrBBoyGo 1 year ago
@MrBBoyGo lol
millboinig 1 year ago
thats how all religious arguments go--- god exists because the bible says so, the bible is true because god exists, just a circle of nonsense. religious ppl r idiots.
IzMeAria 1 year ago
god isnt in the category of science because god is a fairy tale
IzMeAria 1 year ago
Time is a man made concept - a way to measure purely
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do not try to understand time, just use it to get to work on time!
noknownartist 2 years ago 3
half of infinity is 0
trance4lifeXD 2 years ago
enjoy your life rather than wasting time proving something...
waterbearer16 2 years ago
My qestion is MUST people believe in god. or can't we just live the way who we wants to be?
jonh387 2 years ago
jonh
Not even God says you MUST believe in Me.
And YES, you may live your life the way you want to live it = free will.
YES, you must be willing to pay the piper if you want to dance to the music, and if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
On moral issues, God puts it this way- "I place before you a blessing or a malediction. Choose wisely."
Real life situation- Should a sexual predator or a serial killer be allowed to operated becasue it's what they are and want to be?
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
There was an infinite amount of time before this point in time.
disciplinemisanthrop 2 years ago
time is only infinite if events are infinite both ways.
No events = no time.
Time is events in sequence measured by events in regular sequence(such as an atomic clock).
Really simple concept. People get paid a lot of grant money to mess with a simple idea.
One event would give a before/after event concept.
An event after that one would make events and time linear and sequential.
Continuing events = continuous timeline, i.e. what we have.
the 'end of time' = all events stopping.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
If time isn't infinite before this point, then it can be measured in units of time, correct? If so, how much time, if it is finite?
disciplinemisanthrop 2 years ago
infinity means forever. If there events forever, then time is forever. If there are no events, nothing is nothing forever.
If you tried to measure nothing, there is no frame of reference, neither in time or distances.
Nothing is not something, it's the absense of everything.
Death is not something. It's the end of life.
'Ceased living' is more accurate than 'became dead'.
Oblivion is the absence of cognizance.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
I understand that. So would what I was referencing be exactly half of infinity?
disciplinemisanthrop 2 years ago
Infinity would not have a half, like there is no half-way number of all numbers.
There is also a point is space that has coordinates but has no dimension. Infinitely small doesn't apply, because small is relative.
How long is now? How long is the present? As second can be divided up infinitely, so which infinitely small part would be now?
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
Ok , this is making my dick hurt.
disciplinemisanthrop 2 years ago
when there is a beginning, you have got to understand that what follows is a end... if theres a beginning, there is a end right? you have to say yes, logically...
tell me the first 4 words in the bible in genesis 1:1?
Gen 1:1 In the beginning YAH created the heavens and the earth.
He said in the beginning, so before He said this, did time exisit? or did He push the time button when He said it?
tell me your thoughts.
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@Yahushua1
With all respect, that's not true. A race has a beginning, and by def. has to have an end.
But numbers begin at 1 and have no end = infinite.
Time exists with events, and by nature, like numbers, is sequential and infinite, as long as events occur.
Thoughts are events and logically linear by nature.
So before the creation of other beings or matter, God was alone with His thoughts and plans for intelligent design, and this constituted time.
If "I am" was His 1st thought, then
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
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the meaning of His name- "I Am" -makes sense- the 1st conscious thought and the source of all in existance, but still uncreated with no predecessor.
So, before the 1st thought, time did not exist in observed, recorded events.
These are my thoughts, and it is no more a stretch of the imagination than is some 'pre-matter' quark or string deciding to explode to create all matter, and then that created intelligence.
At some point in time, 'I am' happened- God or us. Was matter 1st or 2nd?
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
matter cannot make LOVE, LOVE makes matter to exisit in our universe, "YAH is LOVE 1 john 4:16, not the conditional love we give, but the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE that He gave His only begotten son to this earth to purchase me and you..
Gen 1:31 And God saw EVERYTHING that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
notice "everything", (intelligence, matter, energy and so on, that must mean time as well.
Yahushua1 2 years ago
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that YAH has in us. YAH IS LOVE, and he who abides in love abides in YAH, and YAH in him.
if YAH is love, than YAHUVEH has to have someone else to be there with Him to Love...
YAH was not by Himself in everlasting, He had to have someone with Him, yes, that was His Son YAHUSHUA, His Only beloved..
proverbs 8:22-30 and prov 30:4 and micah 5:2, all vs say that they both exisited in everlasting, time means nothing to them. YAH is I AM.
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@Yahushua1
We are sim. in our beliefs about YHWH, but we just have diff.beliefs about the details. I believe that 'the only begotten son' is just that. We're spkg. in Eng., so I'll use Jesus as the messiah's name. He returned to heaven to sit at Yah's right hand.
We read Prov. 8: 22-30 diff. I read that Yah produced 'Wisdom' as the beginning of His ways. V 24 bears this out.
If he had "someone else...to love" as you say, that makes it two beings, and Yah created everything.
cont'd
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
it does make 2 beings, not three or the trinity aspect.
Yes YAH did produce wisdom, but remember the big picture,
Pro 30:4 Who has gone up to Heaven and has come down? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in His garments? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is HIS NAME, and what is His Son's NAME? Surely you know.
this vs shows us that 2 beings did the whole creation event, YAHUVEH and His Son YAHUSHUA.
english derived from babel,
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@Yahus,
Please provide a script. that says 'time means nothing to Yah'. The Heb. script. are full of Yah's setting times for events and the fulfilling of His will.
If , with Him, one thought follows another, then He lives in linear time, since His thoughts started linear time.
His time perspective is different, but He has a future and a past just like His creation.
30 yrs ago I researched the 'trinity' thoroughly, apart from relig. dogma, and found that the scriptures do not support it.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
sorry, i meant YAH is not in time like we are in time...
He can take anybody thru time "back and fourth" here is scripture that talks about ezekiel being picked up and been taken thru time into the future, to todays time, Yahushua showed ezekiel our time that todays majority of so called christians are not following HIM, they are not keeping His Commandments, the sabbath day has been changed to sunday, read ezekiel 8:16 they are worshipng on the SUN-day now since constantine
Ezekiel 8:3
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@Yah,
This is sorta sim. to the debate over '1st' and 'only'.
If you introduce a woman as your 1st wife, people would nat. conclude that there was a second wife.
But if your 1st child became over time your only child, it would not stop being your 1st child, even though there was no second child.
A 'first' means a beginning. What follows is dictated by the nature of 'what' was first.
If there was nothing before the 1st event, that moment of the 1st event is the beginning of everything.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
He is telling us "I am the First and the Last, rev 1:8, He is just implying, He is ALL you need, stop looking else were, Yahushua created me and you and everything in exisitance with His Father Yahuveh.
The Father spoke it, His Son created it.
Joh 1:3 ALL THINGS came into exisitance through Yahushua, and without Him not even one thing came into exisitance that has come into exisitance.
make your creator the first in your life, face it, No one else will give u everlasting life...
Yahushua1 2 years ago
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
Psalm 33:9 For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
notice it says it stood fast, not made over time of millions of yrs.
Yahushua wants us to live finite with Him, we just need to believe.
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@Yahushua1
I'll ignore the troll and speak with you, as was my purpose. No, I'm not angry with him, but I do lose my patience with his kind, and I'm working on that. Jesus said "Love your enemies" (even the rude ones), so I work on that.
You are touching on the relationship that I've spent so much time on- between the Father and the Son.
I see Revelation 1:1 as a definition- A revelation that God gave to Jesus...
Jesus is still serving as His Word.
Why isn't the revelation from 'them'?
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
Yahus,
How do you define your belief? Are you monotheistic? Duo-theistic?
Curious.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
only scripture base, try to be very simple, YAH sayss 1 corn 14:33 He is NOT a Elohim of confusion... so if you and i was confused in the scriptures, then we are not looking at it from another angle to we shouldn't be confused.
but if i was going with those flash words, it would be Duo, becauses with scriptures, i can prove that there are only Two beings, Seperate, but one in character, in purpose, in nature.. And Yahuvehs Son Yahushua Ha Moshiach is ALL deity once again, after His death.
Yahushua1 2 years ago
Why isn't the revelation from 'them'?
who is them?
and i have spent heaps of time on the relationship as well and it is very interesting, if you can get this bit here;
YAHUVEH the Father Spoke, genesis 1 chapter, the whatever the Father says, His Son YAHUSHUA did it. So.... if the Father doesn't say anything, His Son does nothing... please send me a personal msg and both of us can learn together, because i would mind to here what u have studied and vice-reverse,
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@Yahushua1
You know that 'LORD' in the Hebrew text stands for YHWH, or Yahweh, or as you call Him, Yahuveh, of which the accepted English translation is Jehovah.
I've read that Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshua, and his mother Mary would be Miraim.
I've also read that the exact pronunciation of God's name was lost due to the Jewish 'tradition' of not speaking it.
Your names for them are new to me. How did you come by them?
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
send me a personal msg on this subject, and i will show you everything.
Here are some to think about
the letter "j" is not in the Hebrew alfabet, and also the letter "j" was known in the 1500s, 500 some yrs ago, there is a problem, our Moshiach was born 2000 some yrs ago... abit fishy, read acts 4:12 then brake it down, then you will see something that i didn't see for ages.
send me a msg ta...
Yahushua1 2 years ago
I disagree with the supposition that there ever was a beginning or an ending to the ENTIRE universe. I do however agree that people die and that matter appears tobe winding down in galaxies, but there is no evidence that the universe is comprised of a global end. There is no evidence of the big bang either. The radio telescope static is the product of super massive stars exploding infinitely in and infinite universe. There is no big bang, and that leaves the possibility of a God, but not yours.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
If God does exist your God is just a slice of the truth in it's numerous manifestations. How can one contain God in a box? God is closer to the taoist interpretation of the resolution of paradoxical thinking. Not imminent not transcendant. That sort of thinking is limited. Ex nihilo nihil fit " out of nothing comes nothing is not possible. You must have something to define the nothing and nothing to define the something in human perception.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
@taosimplicity
My comments were directed at Yah.
You don't accept my belief in God, and I don't accept any of your beliefs.
So I guess we're done. Have a great day.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
I expected nothing less from the christo-fascists who try to silence others by exclusion. This is typical of right wing elitism. At least I gave it a shot. Not my fault you don't have the capacity to understand the basic concepts and it's not your fault either really you're just wired to be narrow. My apologies for having awakened you from your virtual slumber. Oh, by the way I've never touched drugs or alcohol so I will await an apology. Unless of course you are not Christian enough to do so.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
@tao
You have absolutely zero ability to assess me, and are deluded if you think you can, being much worse than the C-F you accuse me of being.
I raised the q. based on YOUR comments. I apologize only when I err. My 'question' about smoking was to drive home a point that your comments sounded like you 'smoked'- capishe?
You didn't 'give it a shot'- you injected yourself into a conversation, disagreed, and opened yourself up to rebuttal. If that is beyond your comp., quit butting in.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
This is typical of the angry angry right wing fanatical terrorist propaganda. Your comments are only ad-hominem attacks without an ounce of civility. Why are you so angry. You should'nt be knowing that your God loves you. You seem like you want to control the whole conversation if not the whole universe. Maybe you think you are God? I feel for you and your unbridled arrogance and anger that comes from a very uncomfortable place known as DOUBT. I wish you could find peace instead of hostility.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
Anger is not a healthy place for someone so delicate and unsure as you are to begin from. Perhaps you should re-examin why you're spiritually dead?" Ye are the salt of the earth,but if the salt have lost it's savor wherewith shall it be salted?"Consider these words of Christ as a revelation not just for christians but for the soul which escapes uniformity and condemnations from absolutes and the tryanny of modern fanatical right wing perversions of Christianity or Islam.You CAN escape your hate.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
@DonObeWan3, by the way your use of the bible to deceive yourself and others for even the devil will use scripture for his own purposes. You lack the gift of discernment which in more intelligent and well meaning Christians is evident by their tolerance and lack of anger towards their fellow man. You should pray on your delivery from such totalitarian and demonically inspired hatred. I find that my Christian friends who are happy and healthy people do not cut off conversations they cannot win.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
@taosimplicity
By the way, what are you smoking? Sounds like good stuff.
Oh, "Nothing"?
Well, then, it has to be something if it's nothing.
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
lol at guy in video, just look at him, pretty rad
soccerdanny4 2 years ago
In my opinion; time didn't exist before because none was there to measure it.. we the humans created time with the evolution of consciousness in a way to measure life limitations and all things that surround us ... life goes on the same as before our consciousness, the problem is that we the humans complicate our lives by asking impossible questions to be answer...
cazzo53 2 years ago
Whatever happened to VenomFangX anyway? Some other dude has his channel now, what's the deal? Is Shawn under another screen name now, or has he left youtube all together?
CelticWarrior1971 2 years ago
god is unfathimable, ur wasting ur time trying to understand it
luvs2splug 2 years ago
You don't really refute or give counter arguments like you claim to. All you do is state that you don't understand. Saying 'What? I don't get it.? over and over is not a valid refutation.
knutsonalk 2 years ago
Is time infanite?
FangX confused me too.
Funny answer to a funny arguement.
hellavadeal 2 years ago
FangX is chaos. He even tries to prove the existance of God using the big bang THEORY. Which we all know is on the verge of being discredited given the amount of galaxies that are still being discovered by the hubble deep field photos. This only brings steady state theory back into play. There was no beginning to the universe and there is no end. It is just an endless parade of galaxies and strange phenomena going on forever and ever without end without beginning.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
Good point. I heard that FangX is false DMCA -ing people. He does more harm to true faith than good. I find him childish at best. Has for the age of the universe, I do not think anyone can say from our perspective. FangX's arguments don't make sence to me and I'm a believer. God is beyond scientific examination like loser078 says.
hellavadeal 2 years ago
VenomFangX is just an arrogant little rich snob. He wouldn't let you post comments if they even REMOTELY disagreed with his, and he acted like he was a perfect know it all. Like he didn't need to discuss things with others about THEIR interpretations of scripture, because HIS interpretations of scripture are ALWAYS right. I ask any christians out there, who are SUPPOSED to be humble, where is the humility in arrogance? Shawn can't see his own faults, which strangles potential christian wisdom.
CelticWarrior1971 2 years ago
Agreed, he probably wouldn't even consider the gnostic gospels which were disgarded because they were too spooky and confusing for the pope at that time. They said it was inconsistant with the story. I think most haven't practised the real thing since the crucifixtion.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
@taosimplicity: I'd say very few have, or at least, very few do today in this country, from what I observe anyway.
CelticWarrior1971 2 years ago
@taosimplicity
I'll just throw this one out to you.
The bible says that Jesus, in his pre-earthly existance, was the beginning of the creation by God.
That would make God uncreated by another, and before His first creation, He was alone in space.
That would make space infinite, but the creation within it finite.
Comment?
DonObeWan3 2 years ago
With all respect, If it isn't too much trouble I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd be so kind as to supply the chapter(s) and or verse(s) that support what "the bible says" about this theory of jesus in his pre-earthly existance. If you are refering to the Father , The son and the Holy spirit as one entity then Jesus existed as both God and the holy spirit in triune before the beginning of time. Jesus arrival on earth in physical form was not the beginning of creation. Continued...
taosimplicity 2 years ago
God was never alone in space because he is neither imminent or transcendant. Both words are seemingly contradictory and yet when you consider that you can't have the nothing without something and something without nothing you begin to understand in a very crude way how God is beyond the world of opposites. God is where those contradictions are burried. It is the only resolution to the problem of eastern and western philosophy. Something and nothing are co-dependant and God resolves the two.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
Now, keep in mind that I do not neccessarily believe in any of this, but the taoist part of the equation does appeal to my sense of logic. I can gleam for instance and believe that from the mounting evidence that the universe has always been here and probably will always exist. Stars will die and be reborn in stellar nursuries as will galaxies, but mounting evidence does not look good for the big bang. In short there was NO single point of creation thus making the biblical creation obsolete.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
ugh, maybe we should think of infinity on a line that goes infinitely negative and positive. If you move one more unit positive from +infinity, you are still and +infinity and if you move one unit negative from -infinity, you are still at -infinity. infinity + 1 = infinity, and -infinity - 1 = -infinity.
People need to understand that concept before they make statements about infinity.
YoinkinatorX 2 years ago
If you want to get a fairly decent idea of what infinity is then look up The Mandelbrot Set on youtube. You'll be able to visualize it.
taosimplicity 2 years ago
If you're going debate someone, it might be good not to repeat "I don't understand" and not to blather on shaking your head and cupping your face with your hands!
CarMoves 2 years ago
loser078,
Drop me an email.
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
i think u look way worse with hair based apon that pic i see
daltondoyou4 2 years ago
DNA contains LANGUAGE. Language requires A MIND. Information exists independently of its medium. Case closed.
Also, Darwin lived back in the time of Lincoln. No way to look inside a biological cell. He presumed that a cell was just a simple blob of goo. NOW we've learned that a cell is made up of a universe of unspeakably sophisticated machines and systems governed by information and language.
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
DNA code has revealed the truth about the origin of the species which is that biological life forms are the creative product of an extremely intelligent MIND.
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
The only languages known to man are of human-mind origin, and DNA. Scientists don't know who encoded DNA. Animals utilize low level communication skills NOT language. Language requires an alphabet. DNA is encoded with chapters, sentences,words & letters complete with syntax. DNA INSTRUCTIONS are first INFORMATION INTEL. No different than the thoughts you have in your mind BEFORE you even type them. Language requires intent, purpose and authorship (a mind). DNA contains information and language.
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
FACTS stated in the BIBLE for thousands of years BEFORE they were "scientifically confirmed":
- Time had a beginning
- The universe had a beginning
- The universe was created from the invisible
- The dimensions of the universe were created [Quantum Physics supports this also]
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
MORE FACTS stated in the BIBLE for thousands of years BEFORE they were "scientifically confirmed":
- The universe is winding down and will "wear out"
[second law of thermodynamics ensures that the universe will run down due to "heat death"-maximum entropy]
- Required order of elements in order for the planet to sustain life.
- Number of stars exceeds a billion
- Every star is different
- Pleiades and Orion as gravitationally bound star groups
- Light is in motion
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
Mr88playmaker 2 years ago
i totaly see yor point. me as a christian think the all famous question of time and who created god is erelavent now because i dont think that our minds could even grasp the concept of it . scientist say we only use ten percent of our brain so grasping anything out side of that is impossible even enstien only used 10 % and he was a genuous acroding to "people"
zander1901 2 years ago
So how in the world can you be a neutral party? even if God came to the earth and stood right infront of you, you still would not believe cause you are so closed minded, once you give every aspect of life a try then decide where you stand, thats the day i will really believe this free thinker nonsense.
BMidget4 2 years ago
I see where you're coming from. But at the same time, I don't need to give cannibalism a try to know it's not for me. Or try really hard to believe that unicorns exist to have a valid opinion that they don't. I try to analyze each argument or piece of evidence with an open mind. I may immediately start thinking of ways to falsify it, but that's what every good thinker should do. There are arguments for the "God exists" opinion that I have a hard time refuting...and I'm fine with admitting that.
loser078 2 years ago
Ok? so you say his argument is ilogical, when you barley made an argument yourself? i hate people like you who claim to be free thinkers, but you clearly making your morals from atheism. If your so open to a counter argument, then why did you even post this video? all your trying to do is prove him wrong with out even stating a clear point yourself. All your trying to is prove God is not really there, and i bet my life that you have never even given this godly way of life a try, so how can you
BMidget4 2 years ago
im not religous but youre most certainly gay my friend
YevgenyKahnflop 2 years ago
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ebayrocks5051 1 year ago
Woah.. Did you just say sensicle? at the end there?
Kemshii 2 years ago
its like this people its said in the bible that the holy spirt does not dwell with the wicked. sayingf that think of this. people that are not evil or wicked feel bad when they do something wrong that is the conscience messing with your head. people that are wicked have no remorse for what they do that is bad. in my best opinion the conscience is the spirt telling you what you do is bad when you do it.
jeffwitkowski555 2 years ago