Biblical Restriction of Homosexuality & Liberals' Wishful Thinking

[drmikeymuscle]

Talmudic scholars said that the first question you will be asked when you get to heaven will concern whether or not you devoted your life to accomplishing good in the world and acts of kindness toward humankind. It seems to me that creating over 200 extremely boring YouTube videos in which you attempt to justify your own predjudices by nitpicking passages in the Bible does not fall into that category. You're dull and hypocritical. BTW, aren't you wearing cotton and wool at the same time?

[turbofritz2]

You're old so called holy book is a copy of ancient egyptian gods. They were pagan gods that your cult of judism stole!!

[MyBetty111]

Fine and dandy for you, who may--may--be heterosexual, but if you are BORN homosexual and feel nothing--nothing--for a woman's body--nothing but revulsion--then the scenario changes. A natural attraction (from childhood) oriented towards the same sex is not sinful.

[ceniboy]

do you believe that one can be a practicing Jew and be homosexual but not have anal sex? it does seem that most of the verses in the Torah deal with anal sex, I know many gay men don't engage in that activity.

Also, what is a gay person to do if he doesn't want to be gay? He can't have sex with a woman because he doesn't get aroused, so how does he learn sexual arousal for a sex he isn't interested in despite his desire not to be gay?

[guentherstoll]

great vid! keep up the good work!

[4trahasis]

I have already thought that anti-gay passages stand in affirmation of other life-affirming commandments, such as "choose life, that you and your children may live" (Devarim 30:19), also, "be fruitful and multiply."

Here you quote "their blood is upon them", which, as never before, makes me think of Cain's slaying of Abel, and how his 'bloodS' cried out (or was it a double crying?) - that there is a plurality of affront to life in not engaging in (pro)creation - life meandering discontinuously.

[unison8512]

I'm a Christian and I found this article very interesting, it's written: IT'S AN ABOMINATION. People we desperately need The Holy Spirit to guide our lives to the salvation, maybe the time we're living is extreme, but where is the sacrifice in us? sometimes we prefer the easy way to walk in, but where is our willingness to change? to accept the will of God? (Sorry if my English is not good) I'm Spanish

[hineni53]

for such a young man you need to get out and live life. All the biblical characters lead lusty, rich lives doing good. making mistakes, trying on and taking off and vice versa.

[MARTINSTERN]

its forbidden to have anal sex with a woman,(complete sex,incl, ejaculation)according to torah,if thats the case how do u explain gay sex being "like a man lies with a woman"? since anal sex isnt the way a man lies with a woman to begin with?

[kiransimon15]

it's so convenient to sit and talk all day about books and god and religion and what is right and what is wrong.. the hard thing is living the life..

It's easy for str8 ppl to say you can change to a gay person becos they don't know what they are really talking about.

Go ahead feel all right and on the side of God but he will judge you just as you

[omedyashar]

@kiransimon15

You assume to know my personally?

You know my past? My history?

There are many people who have felt attracted solely to their own gender for the vast majority of their lives, and eventually - after much hard work and determination - came 'out' of it.

BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE.

An individual is not required to act out every emotion he feels, even if it is a constant emotion.

Do you hit people every time you're angry?

Sleep every time you're tired?

Submit to God, not flesh.

[stealthkiller2107]

Homosexual activity is against G-d. Enough said. I'm getting tired of these liberals...

[omedyashar]

@stealthkiller2107

It's easy to say homosexual actions are forbidden, but this doesn't give them the tools to manage their desires in a way that is in accord with Torah.

[omedyashar]

@omedyashar

Image someone who longs to be with a girl, but is forbidden to marry or have sexual contact with a girl. It won't help him for people to constantly remind him "you can't be with a girl." Rather, he needs guidance in how to either overcome the desire to do that which is forbidden, or guidance in how he can feel fulfilled in life without having the constant burden of fightening his physical desires.

[omedyashar]

@omedyashar

According to Torah, men are not forbidden from marrying a girl, but they are forbidden to have sexual contact with a girl before marriage. It is not realistic to tell an unmarried guy who struggles with lust for girls that he's not allowed to have sexual contact with them, but he's told this without being given advice in how to deal with his lust...

[omedyashar]

...Such "advice" doesn't help him in his struggle. He needs to know how to overcome his desires or at least how to manage them so that his desires are no longer burdensome, until he is able to get married...

[omedyashar]

...Now imagine if he were forbidden to ever marry a girl... then he would need guidance all the more so! Simply saying "don't do it" doesn't make the situation any easier. It's no different with someone who longs to be with the same sex. Just telling him "don't do it" isn't good enough advice. He needs to know how to get by in his situation. In fact, simply saying "don't do it" to someone who is attracted to the same sex is even less helpful, because his desire will always be forbidden.

[ScottNYC09]

You are creating hatred and seperation amongst Jews. This is contradictory to the Torah and the Talmud. Maybe you should wait until you have more wisdom in life before starting adventure against other Jews. No one is a threat to you. Unless you are looking other than to Hashem for guidance. Gut Yom Tov. Zei Gezunt. A GAY JEW.

[omedyashar]

@ScottNYC09

How is looking at the context of a Biblical command contary to Torah and Talmud? Please explain. Nothing I said in this video calls for hate, any more than saying straight guys are forbidden to have pre-marital sex should be regarded as hate against straights. Homosexual intercourse is forbidden by Torah and the Talmud is straightforward about this. Please explain how this is wrong and how this is hate.

[craigistheman101]

during biblical times it was all so believed slaves should listen to their masters. nowadays slavery is considered barbarbic and nobody believes it today. so how is it different from not believing in leviticus 18:22

[omedyashar]

@craigistheman101

This video is in response to the claim that Leviticus only prohibits homosexual rape. The video shows how that claim is baseless and ignores the context of the Biblical prohibition. This video was not intended to convince people that they must uphold Biblical laws. It was intended to simply affirm what the Biblical law is.

Leviticus does not teach slavery. It teaches voluntary servitude as an option when destitute people have no other way to make a livelihood.

[psychawareness]

Good effort, but tl;dr.

[Shaudh]

Dude, with all due respect I think you're cute (in a non-sexual way).

My compliments for this attempt, although it's not really a success.

I do appreciate that you speak about the books rather than for God.

[TheGayman123]

homosexuality is not a sin you, dont get a choice, otherwise everyone would be straight!

[HaidukPressOnline]

The homosexual "act" is falling in love with someone of the same sex as you. Why fixate on anal sex, which is something done by about 50% of straight couples and about 50% of gay couples???

[insolubletoaster]

No, as it says in the verse cited in the video, it is the "act" of "lying with" in the way that Adam "lie" with Eve, from whence children were begotten. The "act" has nothing to do with love, it has to do a physical act involving two men. Not all couples have penetrative sex, but whatever act two men decide to partake in, it is still forbidden according to haTorah. And this is coming from a gay man.

[auitane]

It's also worth noting that sex between females is not forbidden--in the one instance where a sage tried to legislate against it, most of the others overrule him (Yevamot 76a). An authority no less than Maimonides himself stated that lesbianism was under "neither a biblical nor a rabbinic prohibition" (Perush L'Mishnayot on Sanhedrin 54a).

[auitane]

The Torah does not forbid "homosexual intercourse". The Levitical prohibition, the sages of the Talmud determined, refered ONLY to male-male anal sex (Yevamot 54a-56a; Sotah 26b; Nidah 13a). There are a plethora of sex acts, then, that can be preformed by two men still in compliance with biblical law.

[JohanR888]

exegesis itis essential to understand that every verse is a gloss on the golden rule -that which is hateful to you,do not do to your neighbour

& any interpretation of scripture that leads to hatred,and distain or contempt of other

people is illegitimate.Scripture teaches nothing but charity and we must not leave an interpretation of

scripture until we have found a compassionate interpretation.

& the struggle to find charity in some of these rebarbative texts is a good rehearsal for life

[everythingindie]

If the Scripture teaches nothing but charity, why are you trying to hard to get it to say that it means the opposite of what it says? And why do you assume that one can not keep the commandments as they are written, and not fall into hatred? This is a matter of write and wrong, not in hateing people. I think your use of the text is intellectually dishonest.

[JohanR888]

the Bible has to be read with care.

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19

condemns homosexual rape and the violation of

the sacred rules of hospitality rather than homosexuality per se.

It has nothing to say about the open, stable gay relationships that are essentially a feature of modern western society,

and did not exist in their current form in the biblical world.

[pianokid100]

it didnt exist because gay sex is super gay

[auitane]

Exactly! What was the sin of Sodom? I dunno, lets ask the Prophet Ezekiel: "Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom; Pride, fulnes of bread [that is, gluttony], and Abundance of Idleness was in her and her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor or the needy." (Ezekiel 16:49) So, why was Sodom evil? Because of a lack of social justice, gluttony, and ignoring the laws of hospitality towards strangers (the angels they wanted to rape).

[JohanR888]

Rules against sodomy in Leviticus 18 and 20 are not legislating for ordinary human affairs.

Throughout, the authors of Leviticus are chiefly concerned with temple ritual. ritual bestiality, child sacrifice, and the cultic use of menstrual blood in sorcery. The verses against sodomy (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13)

forbid temple prostitution: which defiles the land, that concerns Leviticus.

ABOMINATION Hebrew: Toevah means "ritually unclean"

[pianokid100]

so its ok to burn a baby as long as its not done in a ritualistic manner ? lol

[JohanR888]

I see where you are coming from! i think any interpretation of scripture that leads to hatred,and distain or contempt of other

people is illegitimate

[everythingindie]

That is not what toevah means.

[06xxDavexx06]

Very well put. The interpretation that I have heard is that yes, people are born with gay impulses. People are also born with impulses to steal. The bible wouldnt tell us not to do something we didn't want to so we MUST have impulses. The true task is to fight these impulses to live as holy a life as you can. The idea that orthodox jews can be gay is proposterous. The problem is that the gay community is so outreaching that once labeled 'gay' it is hard for these people to really consider

[greling]

Slavery is also verified in the New Testament and it's also verified in the Koran.

Now, tell me as a black man why we should reject these pro-slavery passages and keep the anti-homosexual ones without picking and choosing merely based on your preferences.

[AdognamedOp]

Slavery is not exclusively a black issue. It's been a part of humanity since the begining of human civilization. Today, blacks in Africa are enslaving their own brothers. Woman, across the globe, are enslaved into prostitution...mainly from atheistic nations like Russia and China.

[greling]

Actually, there are plenty of young women enslaved in prostitution right here in the good 'ole US of A. In San Diego we have a hidden place called El Cajon Boulevard, where a few johns a night barely makes the rent.

[AdognamedOp]

Most of those women come from overseas, from cultures where woman are deemed worthless, as they cant provide income the way a male can. In China, fathers sell daughters into slavery simply for financial reasons.

[greling]

Nah, most of them come right from good 'ole American homes. About 30% of them (young men too) start out as teenagers who were thrown out because they were gay and don't have the means to support themselves. Another 40% are undocumented immigrants who don't make enough to live otherwise. Bruce Springsteen has a song about this occuring right in my hometown, called 'Balboa Park', which is about a young hustler trying to make it in real-life Balboa Park. It's so sad. Our local news did a special.

[gamba1507]

owning slaves is not a "do"/"not do" mitzva.

it was an accepted thing in old times.

but it is true that homosexualty is considerd much wors by people, than for exemple, not keeping the Shabat, although, acording to the Torah, the are both equally bad and considerd punishable by death. you dont see people calling out to kill those who do not keep the Shbat.

[greling]

Sorry, but Christians are exempt from the laws of Noah. We can eat pork, pierce our ears, and Sabbath on Sunday instead of Saturday. No need for burning sacrificial goats or Kosher. We're New Covenant folks, so I guess most of what you speak of only applies to Israelites.

[omedyashar]

From a Torah perspective no non-Israelite is exempt. I'm only presenting the Torah perspective. Never claimed to present the Christian perspective.

HOWEVER, it just happens to be that the Laws of Noah do NOT prohibit eating pork, piercing ears, or obligate you to keep the Sabbath, or obligate you in making sacrifices or keeping kosher. So... your comment makes me wonder if you have ANY idea as to what the Laws of Noah are (before you wrote this comment).

[greling]

Did you like not read the whole book of Leviticus?

[g10bus]

Correct -- משׁכבי does not seem to have ANY other innuendos apart from sex. No temple prostitution, no rape, just sex. Also, Vayikra 20 looks like a description of something God abhorred (not adored) the gentiles (of whom usually a lot less of 'righteousness' is required) let apart His people.

So, as far as Torah is concerned, Thou indeed shall not lie with mankind as with womankind - it is abomination.

[omedyashar]

Passages taken out of context or in bad translations can be misunderstood in this manner.

[solandcb]

You have to consider this relative to the times, otherwise it won't make sense. If you consider the substantial subjugation of the women back in that time, there is the question whether "lying with a man as a woman" is indicative of forcing a man to take the submissive role of a woman. The traditional gender roles have changed over time, so it difficult for us to comprehend in the modern day, but it could be considered equivalent to rape.

[zachskrit]

He just explained how in the next verse it says to punish both parties... Are you to imply that someone who is raped is to be put to death?

[solandcb]

Of course. And people who work on the Sabbath need to be put to death too just as it says in Exodus, and adulterers and rebellious teenagers as well since the Bible is pretty clear on that.

[zachskrit]

Firstly those laws went into effect because of the times. Prophets and miracles were abundant and in exodus they had just heard G-d's voice instruct them not to do these things. They had been liberated from egypt, seen the sea split fed from bread falling from the sky... and they would still do contrary to G-d's word. That was in the time the tabernacle was on earth and G-d's presence was palpable. Since the destruction of the temple things changed.

[solandcb]

Well I'm sorry you didn't get the memo but the laws concerning homosexuality also changed.

[zachskrit]

All the prohibitions are still in effect, the punishments are just administered by G-d not man, because we no longer have an active priesthood or Temple.

[omedyashar]

Correct.  Only when the priests (kohenim) are active in their services on the Temple premises are death sentences allowed to be administered, and this is only after the sentence has passed the Sanhedrin, fulfilling various detailed requirements of whether there were valid witnesses, whether warnings were given to the individual before hand, etc... Most people have NO IDEA as to the complexity and the unliklihood of a Biblical death sentence being carried out.

[omedyashar]

1) This comment is not related to the point of this clip which I made clear in the video.

The video only regards what is the intention of the passages at hand. Specifically not whether one thinks it is still valid or not.

2) The Mosaic Court made legislation touching on all of the 613 commandments presented in the Torah. The rulings of this court are preserved in the Talmudic texts. Yes, according to Torah certain people are to be put to death, but only within a specific context.

[omedyashar]

Torah clearly prohibits rap, and it is forbidden to forcibly marry a woman. BOTH the man and the woman must willfully agree to the marriage. It can not only be the woman's father. Similarly, even after they are married, a man is FORBIDDEN to force himself upon his wife. This is no basis for your words. They only show common ignorance.

[solandcb]

The Bible also advocates slavery, putting people who work on the Sabbath to death, putting to death adulterers, putting to death rebellious teenagers, subjugating women, and so forth. The common ignorance is that people pick and choose what they wish to believe from the Bible. They argue some things were relevant to the times and some thing aren't. And that is why I don't take claims like these seriously. It's simply one interpretation of a scripture, when pretty much everyone has their own.

[omedyashar]

I am not arguing that some things were relevant to the times and some aren't. I promote it all for the here and now, since this is what the Torah itself teaches (Deut. 29:29), and yes - I'm including what you call 'slavery,' etc... together with that. However, I include it within the context of the legislature of the Mosaic Court which the Torah commands us to heed with regard to HOW to uphold the commands (Deut. 17:8-11). Talmudic law is the ONLY preservation of this court's legislation.

[omedyashar]

This is the answer to the well-known subjective/personal interpretation problem.

The Torah was given together with the establishment of a court which makes the authoritive rulings with how to enact the Torah laws. Any country with a constitution yet without a legislature is essentially an anarchy. It's every man for himself.

There is no basis for rejecting a law just because one personally feels it is unjust, when this same one has no standard of justice.

What's the standard of justice?

[omedyashar]

DON'T answer my question here. Answer on my channel page. I already said in the clip that this clip is NOT with regard to whether or not one takes issue with the passage under discussion. The clip is about the intended meaning of the passages at hand, NOT whether or not you like what they mean.

[omedyashar]

I have now blocked "solandcb" for disregarding my repeated request that he/she stick with the purpose of this video. Instead he/she used this video to further his/her expectedly bias extreme liberal views, while ignoring my replies to his/her comments and the question I posted to him/her.

Anyone who wants to know "solandcb" views can access his/her YouTube channel and ask. I am not against people expressing disagreement in an ORDERLY and RESPECTFUL manner.

[omedyashar]

So when I say I include 'slavery,' I put it in quotes because I accept the Talmudic definition of what you inaccurately call slavery. It is impossible to list all the related laws here, but the concept is more similar to that of an indentured servant.

[UpyritzKazimir]

Quran says that People of the Book were Christian Samaritan Israelites.

[xrami69]

can u give references please?

[omedyashar]

I'ld also like to know where this appears.

[hurataimad]

ppl of the book, means, the ppl of revelation past, in short, a recognition that the original scriptures were from god.

book in islamic theology, isn't the novel type book, but that of scripture of god, or rather direct revelation, which need to be preserved, in it's original form.

[omedyashar]

PLEASE -- ONLY comments related to topic of video at hand.

[hurataimad]

i would say fair enough, but i was replying to the comment above, i can't see how you singled me out and not them.

but as for your vid, i haven't got much to say, seems like a good vid, good points, let me watch it again, and if i have anything i will comment.

[omedyashar]

I apologize hrataimad. When I wrote the comment, the order of the comments were disorganized, and your comment appeared after another guys comment -- in the wrong order... and it looked to me like you two were beginning some disputation which I did not want to occur here. The way it appeared on my screen, I posted the same comment to both of you. Now the two comments appear totally separate. Sorry. I appreciate your comments. All the best to you.

[DontReplytoComment]

I have a question that can slip ooutside this one are but can be rooted to this video; God called seafood and pigs an abobination correct? Are they any other things? Also Gd uses "put to death" but then uses "relief of your missery" when it talks about sinners..I have no numbers, I hooe you now what I mean. I am interested since many lines mean other things like "know of" also means "had sex with"

[xrami69]

how did joseph judged in egypt? was it by the torah? or by some other book?

[xrami69]

or was it mitzraim? :D

[UpyritzKazimir]

Mitzraim is Hebrew word for the land which is now called Egypt.

[xrami69]

archaeologically incorrect. egypt was always called kemet and never mitzraim by its inhabitants.

[omedyashar]

Maybe by its inabitants it was called kemet, but in several semetic languages Egypt is historically called miSraiyim, or something similar.

[UpyritzKazimir]

Actually, kemet is not Hebrew it is Egyptian and it refers to all of Africa. The modern English word Egypt is ultimatwly derived from Caphtor, but the modern Egyptians still call themselves Masri which is derived from the Hebrew.

[UpyritzKazimir]

Joseph Judged by the laws of the Gerim and Toshavim mentioned in the Torah

[xrami69]

is the Gerim and Toshavim abrogated by the Torah? where r they? r they lost?

[omedyashar]

They are not lost. A few minor additions were made to the Laws of Noah upon the giving of the Torah to Moses -- but these additions do not carry punishments to be enforced by men when violated. The essential laws of Noah have remained the same since their original giving.

[xrami69]

what did abraham follow? the torah or the noahide laws? what was the law that abraham followed?

[UpyritzKazimir]

he fololowed the laws of the Gerim and Toshavim mentioned in the Torah

[xrami69]

r the gerim laws the 7 noahide laws?

[omedyashar]

There is more than one type of 'ger.'

Torah means guidance or instruction, so of course Abraham followed Torah, but not in the specified sense of the Torah of Moses. The Torah of Moses had not been given until many centuries later.

Abraham lived according to the Laws of Noah, which are the minimal laws that all the non-Israelite nations are obligated to uphold. In addition to this, he also voluntarily upheld certain additional laws that were later made binding in the Torah of Moses.

[omedyashar]

There is a ger who takes an oath to uphold the Laws of Noah while within the boundaries of the Land of Israel, WITHOUT becoming obligated in the entire Laws of Moses as Israelites are, and then there is what is called a 'ger Sedeq' in Talmudic terminology, which is someone who was not born as an Israelite, but who voluntarily chose to fully join the people of Israel by means of taking upon himself an everlasting oath before 3 kosher Jews, being circumcised, and immersed in a valid pool of water.

[qwertyfshag]

salam

another reason that Islam is more logical is because we have tafsir from the first Muslims and the prophet himself. the prophet explained the ayahs of the Koran to us. nobody explained the laws of the Tanakh

that is because the Torah was only for those specific people of that time

i agree with you that Judaism condems homosexuality. the same people who are corrupting America to make it secular is doing the same thing to your people

[omedyashar]

The Talmud includes the record of what is called halakha l-Mosha mi-Sinai, the exact type of explanations to Torah law which you have here presumed doesn't exist.

I might agree with you about Islam being more logical (only in this regard) IF it were true that we have no such original explanations handed down, but we do have such, and it is referred to throughout the Bible. A link for more information is provided in the 'info' box.

[facilisdescenus]

Do you know anything about the compilation of the quran? there were serious problems whether you deny it or not .

It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: "Let none of you say 'I have acquired the whole of the Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur'an has disappeared? Rather let him say 'I have acquired what has survived.'" (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.524).

[omedyashar]

PLEASE -- ONLY comments related to topic of video at hand.