Vid42 Volcano Dry Cell Hydrogen Generator (HHO, Brown's Gas, Hydroxy)

[korndog86]

thats fucken cool. man

[HHO4ALL]

@korndog86 Thanks, I have a few new design ideas that I should be posting soon.

[toplak666]

This looks really good! Have you measured the output yet? I`d really like to know... I`m looking for a fuel cell that draws as less amps as possible, and gives me abbout a Leter of HHO a minute...

[legogunguy001]

What is the white gas coming out? Is it hydrogen, or is it a byproduct from the electrolyte?

[HHO4ALL]

@legogunguy001

This vapor is from the electrolyte. I use KOH (potassium hydroxide).

Filters can be added to prevent this vapor from contaminating the exiting gas.

[askaboutRudyV]

What are the neutral plates for? Do you really need them? What element if any attracts to the neutral plates?

[frank0067]

put a hood over your port where gas is comen out in bubller so it hits it and diverts around it...or let gas come out sides instead.

problem with this generator turned around..the gas is trapped more between the horizontal plates .

[HHO4ALL]

@frank0067

That is a good idea. Maybe if I put one or two layers of window screen or steel wool at the bottom of the bubbler, it will break down the bubbles and prevent the foaming.

No problems with gas getting trapped so far. In fact it performs better than any of the standard dry cells I've built.

I've been looking into raising the center of each plate, so the gas is forced up and out with less obstruction.

[greyandme2]

@HHO4ALL good idea putting the hho cell on its sidelike that

[HHO4ALL]

@frank0067

I also noticed with this design that they reactive surface area is larger than standard dry cells, because the plates are fully immersed in the electrolyte solution.

Standard Dry Cells tend to sacrifice 10 to 15% of reactive surface area due to the water level not going above the the input and exhaust ports.

I've also noticed the volcano design disperses heat very quickly, because of the gravity refill, but It could be better with multiple input/output ports on top.

[emc4u2]

HHO 4 all, i really like your way of building, filming and explaining.

Very intuitive all together. Keep it up.

Jay !!! I like the volcano principle !! looks reallllyyyyy good.

[drumstick9000]

i finally got mine put together and results were not impressive. it was a 7 plate one+ and 1-. it was 6x6 i am going try again using -nn+nn-.

[HHO4ALL]

@drumstick9000

I've tried that configuration and it worked good for me, so hopefully you will get similar results.

[drumstick9000]

@HHO4ALL oh yes i forgot to mention i am using baking soda will KOH make a difference?

[HHO4ALL]

@drumstick9000

Baking soda will stick to your plates and will make the water dirty. KOH is much more conductive and does not make the water dirty unless you are using low quality metals for your cell.

[Pepsifx357]

I hear WD-40 prevents foaming on systems that produce Hydrogen. Just spray a good layer on top of the water.

[phantasm48]

My initial reaction would be how can that work, as the gas would spread out laterally, perhaps even trapping the electrolyte at the perimeter of each level, but obviously it works to the contrary. Interesting theory! Seems to be a pretty good producer. Thanks for sharing!

[HHO4ALL]

@phantasm48

I got the idea when one of my dry cells tipped over onto its side and the output seemed to increase. I've been experimenting with this idea ever since.

[aliengangsta]

not all gas rises

[rboos]

About the horizontal plates, I saw once an antique patent design (Brown's?) with several bell-shaped horizontal plates; on the other hand, this idea of one larger hole is awesome, thanks for sharing! BTW, that's a good production for 5 A... Nice!

[ski4kil]

whats the visible gas coming off the top of the bubler

[HHO4ALL]

it was vapor that was a side effect of using KOH (potassium hydroxide).

I now use filters/dryers to remove the vapor after my bubbler.

[00Mickx]

Great Idea!!!

If you patch in a line with 90's so it can feed from the bottom - it will flow really well.

[reachthelight]

I love it ...

What is the solution used in this video ?

not in information box...

Thanx a lot for sharing info and your time !

[graceoverall]

I think this is one of your best designs yet. I'd really like to have the basic plans for this one if you wouldn't mind posting those somewhere.

As for the bubbles, you might try adding a small sort of plastic mesh maybe. I think that should probably do well to break up the bubbles. It's typical to have that many bubbles when you have a good cell that's producing a lot of HHO.

You're doing great, so keep it up.

Cheers!

[HHO4ALL]

Thank you, I will try to put something together and post the video later this week.

I also discovered that if I lower the water level in the bubbler the bubbles will expand and break apart completely. This prevents any foaming and allowed me to run the cell non-stop for 3 days.

[mrcss]

Also are you comming out with a new video any time soon?

[moonielo]

do you know how long does the stainless steel last if being continuously used? does anyone else knows??? thanks.

[HHO4ALL]

I'm not sure how long it would take for the plates to completely breakdown, because I haven't tested the design long enough to see the plates degrade to the point where the cell is no longer functional.

[flyingdoctorcee]

Have you posted any test results yet ? lpm amps n volts, this seems like an excellent design!+ very innovative.

[HydroDeal]

Been away from it all for a bit. Mine smacks is still perking along but need more volume. Can you check your out put on these and let us know? The key to running higher mileage is the volume of HHO to amps.

[5horsepower]

i hate u cuz ur cells are awsome i got a new 9 plate system but the wires were too thin and i can only run 8 amp at 12 volts

[HHO4ALL]

I use vinyl coated galvanized steel for my wires, because you can get it for 35 cents a foot.

Some people have made negative comments about me using this for my wires, but I haven't had overheating issues, high amperage, or any voltage problems. My cells still produce just as much gas as when I used copper wire.

[flyingdoctorcee]

kushdeemundo cell! i love this design man!look forward to your design evolutions! kushdeemundo is estuary slang UK 4 exellence.

[drumstick9000]

try putting a little cinnamon oil in your water. it's a natural anit-foaming agent

[HHO4ALL]

Yeah, I guess you could say the explosion scared the $h*t out of me.

[hhoWayToGo]

exactly :)

I must admit, that I experienced similar things with my hho stuff ^^

[rapttor94]

Man, I like the design it's a different twist on the "dry cell" actually a drier wet cell really, but you may have found a better design... good stuff sir.

@

jacek533 - AL will create a layer of AL oxide, reducing the conductivity of the plates and the cell will come to a stop rather quickly. Not to mention if you use NaOH or KOH as an e-lyte, it will react pretty violently with the AL and make H on it's own..

[jacek533]

could someone tell me if i can use aluminium plates to build my generator with?

[ZEROPOINT132]

I'm always amazed at your conceptual thinking.

cheers.

[HHO4ALL]

Thank you, for the great comment.

Since I started experimenting with this design, I discovered a few things that I will need to test more to confirm:

The gas seems to escape more easily with the horizontal design. (hopefully this will mean higher output) and the heat dissipates more quickly than any design I've had so far.

I'm working on some modifications to this cell and some larger sized cells to see if it will make much of a difference.

[rainmanp7]

Coool Design ! Keep experimenting :) Yes your right. Start thinking about a siphon Self FED. Like you have now top down and up and out :) Keep up the cool work.

[pirondinimarco]

Sorry, I have a question: boils your water in a long test? Because the powerful setup often do the water to boil.

And this event is not good. :-) See you

[HHO4ALL]

The water was getting very hot, so I redesigned the cell with more neutral plates to reduce the heat. I haven't tested it yet, but I'm hoping it will fix it.

[freeenergeeeee]

Man that little cell is really putting out.

Can't wait for your LPM test results.

Good idea !!!!!

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks, I'm working on a few modifications and then I will perform a LPM test on my next video.

[freeenergeeeee]

About how far does the barbed fitting extend into the cell ?

[rainmaker0909]

very nice as always something new. Keep it up!!

[sjh7132]

I'm not sure what you are using for a power supply (regulated voltage, regulated current, etc.) but I'd guess that the current variations aren't caused by the power supply. I'd guess you have bubbles traveling along the surface of your plates. They change the contact area which would change the current.

[HHO4ALL]

PC power supply converted to supply 12v DC.

I just got a new power supply yesterday and the amperage stays steady at 6A, so I am now certain the power supply was the issue.

[tjgame2]

I'm not sure why I want to stick a torch tip on it and call it a hho candel.

Looks like the cell works good.

[HHO4ALL]

Hehehe, I may have to try that.

[RVhydrogen]

Try 8 more N plates it might just cut back on some of the foam.

Love your volcano drycell.

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks, I will try that.

I actually got rid of the foam draining the cell and putting in fresh electrolyte, but I haven't tested it long enough to see if the foam comes back.

I will need to add some more neutral plates to help with heat issues. I also noticed that each plate only had a 1/4" hole instead of 1/2" holes. I think this could be why the cell is not refilling fast enough, and why the cell keeps getting so hot.

[RVhydrogen]

For the het problem take a look at my video v=PfPIZrdVMFM I am working on.

Not sher if it will work for you but if it dues than keep looking at my videos for more updates. I will help all I can

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks, I just checked out the video and your idea is very interesting. I'm not sure if I will be able to incorporate it into this design, but I do have a wet cell in a 2.5" diameter acrylic pipe that gets warm and this would probably be a great solution to heating issues.

I'll be sure to put together a video when I test it out and I'll drop your name, so people know where the concept came from.

[RisingSun350]

Very Nice... good woork!

[Hollywoods7]

I like the low amps,but the foam will be back some designs I have done stay clear after changing water but it comes back,neat look what is the voltage per gap.

[HHO4ALL]

I'm not sure what the voltage per plate is, because my multimeter died when it dropped into a bucket of water. I'm sure it is too high, so I need to add more neutrals to get it closer to 2v per plate.

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks, but it needs some work. At least it doesn't leak.

[RisingSun350]

yeah no hho builder like leaks.

[pirondinimarco]

good setup, in this manner you can use a big tank and to be safely because your bubble valvle are very little compared.

[HHO4ALL]

This design was really just for proof of concept. With the improved designs that come from this experiment, I will use multi-stage bubblers, a dryer and flashback arrestor.

[jdcmusicman]

Nice Looking little cell ya got there ....

Your amps jumping is due to having only one hole...Like scarecrow said its basically burping/breathing...

Nice job tho man .....

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks man, I think that is part of the problem, but it takes 5 or 6 tries to get the power supply to stay on anymore. I think the problem shouldn't be nearly as bad when I make a few modifications to the cell and get a new power supply.

[GoGreenHHOhybrid]

"INTERESTING DESIGN''

Keep up the good work!

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks, I just figured it made sense to use the natural rising characteristic of gas in a design that provides a path of lesser resistance.

I still have a long way to go, but it is looking promising.

[SmartScarecrow]

what you are seeing with your bouncing amps is your device breathing ... with the setup you are using there, it will suck in fluid, then expel gas, suck in fluid, then expel gas ... much like the original Tero devices ...

foaming is quite often a result of too much current for the amount of surface area ... there are other things that will do it and your GOOP idea may be the real deal ... but too high a current density is a common cause ...

cool setup ...

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks, I appreciate the input. I figured that was the case, but I know that is only one small part of the issue. I realized my holes on the plates were actually 1/4" instead of 1/2" and the power supply takes 5 or 6 tries to stay turned on. I also need to add some more neutral plates to keep the voltage per plate closer to 2v each. There will definitely be some modifications required.

Even with all of these issues, I think this design is worth improving and experimenting with.

[joewilder]

One of the things the recirculating system helps is to reduce bubbles.

[HHO4ALL]

I dumped my electrolyte and replaced it with a fresh, and the bubbles went away.

[wizard4204]

in this video a guy has an interesting way to get rid of bubbles watch?v=OOiUWGDZWgM

while i dont think there the same bubbles cause i get those off my test too and im thinking my problem is the fre radicules in my cell

[HHO4ALL]

Thanks I'll check it out.

[afdhalatifftan92]

That's cute...