Rubbish fiction. Churchill never spoke to Stalin like that. They had many disagreements but Britain was never strong enough to talk to the USSR like that.
The world betrayed Abyssinia in '35; the British and the French governments betrayed the Czechs and Slovaks in '38; the Americans isolated themselves. This is the nature of international politics. Wikileaks is now giving us a crash course in the cynicism of present day statesmen without a shot being fired. Observe and learn. Remember the dead. Attach yourself to no nation, creed or belief. They are all forms of control, feeding off fear.
There are no statistic from ANY serious historian who confirm that. For historians like Robert Conquest, whose millions variate according to how anticommunist is a government in USA(during Reagan, for instance, he increased such numbers for 20 million, from previous 5 millions, later talking about 14 million), or SoLZHenitsin(Lzhi = lie in Russian), who supported nazi.
I recommend you to check the list of the American History Review to know the true numbers.
When you kill millions of your own people, you lose labour force, which means that you lose productivity. With USSR during Stalin times, it was exactly the opposite. Check the statistics and you will see that while capitalist economies grew a maximun of 24% between 1919-39, USSR grew nearly 300%. How could a country grow that much with its own population dead? The logical answer would be "robots", which did not exist yet, or perfect clones of dead ppl.
This movie is awesome. Michael Caine as Stalin is beyond epic. And John Lithgow, as FDR.. Well after him as the totally fucked up Trinity killer in Dexter, I don't think I will be able to think of him as anything else, making this roll hilarously akward.
Hoskins is absolutely amazing in this production. By comparison, Lithgow makes a fair FDR, and Caine has several watchable moments as Stalin. But Hoskins steals the show.
Churchill had every right to be angry. If Stalin had not signed a non-aggression with Hitler, Hitler would not have invaded Poland and so WW2 would not have started.
That's a cliche longely refuted by Professor Grover Furr. Soviets NEVER invaded Poland. When the nazi invaded it, Soviets and Nazi signed a NON-AGRESSION pact, bringing postulates on influence areas(not to be invaded areas). However, the Polish government colapsed and Poland became a country WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT. As the nazi invaded the rest of the country, the Soviets retook territories with Belarusian and Ukrainian majority, preventing them from nazi dominium
@Swordman85 LOL! Are you kidding me? That's a line that perhaps members of the NKVD might say they believe but all sane people see the reality. The Soviets sent in their massed military and took, invaded, stole, annexed, grabbed ... whatever you want to name it ...it was an invasion just as the German one only with far fewer resistance.
You should learn to respect differences! Just because you learned one version at school, it does not mean that it was an absolute truth. A basic premisse of Scientific Method is exactly to "doubt, investigate and conclude". Lots of years ago people were taught that Earth was a plane, if you thought the opposite, then they called you a madman and burned you alive!
What I'm telling you is a fact, supported by facts and dates, not idealism or children stories as you do!
I am not kidding at all! I am a jurist and historian, I search what is right and truth, not what is "socially acepted" or what "Fox News" spreads, I first of all doubt, specially considering that Mass Media is an specialist in making lies every day, as the supposed balistic missiles of Iraq around 2002-03.
Once a country HAS NO CONSTITUTED GOVERNMENT, you can't speak about an invasion.
Thanks to the Soviets, these peoples did not fall before the nazi until 1941!
@Swordman85 Fox News?? Iraqi Scud missiles? Maybe that's for another comment as I'm not sure how those entered the conversation. The Mass Media (and as a whole , not simply one news outlet) are currently businesses without any regard to true journalism .... skewed facts that yes I would and could call lies a lot of the time. Back on topic, I'm all for searching what's right and true .... and it's a simple truth and fact that the Soviets grabbed half of Poland in their N-pact with Germany.
Well, yes, Stalin could reproach Churchill, that he was making time not to open the second front, and that in 1918, Churchill as minister of war sent troops to topple the newly born soviet state
@ElFrankus At that point no, since Stalin decided in the beginning to hook up with Hitler. For 6 month England was alone fighting this War, then when Hitler turns the table he reproaches Churchil. Stalin made his mess, he needed to deal with it..
whoever cast michael caine as stalin must be the same person who cast anthony hopkins as nixon
ELGAT0NEGRO 6 months ago
Rubbish fiction. Churchill never spoke to Stalin like that. They had many disagreements but Britain was never strong enough to talk to the USSR like that.
Jareth1981 7 months ago
The world betrayed Abyssinia in '35; the British and the French governments betrayed the Czechs and Slovaks in '38; the Americans isolated themselves. This is the nature of international politics. Wikileaks is now giving us a crash course in the cynicism of present day statesmen without a shot being fired. Observe and learn. Remember the dead. Attach yourself to no nation, creed or belief. They are all forms of control, feeding off fear.
orchardcottage 1 year ago
they're all smoking something different...
captross07 1 year ago
Stalin is a jerk. He whines too much.
TheSteffen1223 1 year ago
@TheSteffen1223
That and he killed millions of his own people
starwarsnerd100 1 year ago
@starwarsnerd100 Roosevelt should have sided with hitler instead. Agree or disagree.
TheSteffen1223 1 year ago
@starwarsnerd100
There are no statistic from ANY serious historian who confirm that. For historians like Robert Conquest, whose millions variate according to how anticommunist is a government in USA(during Reagan, for instance, he increased such numbers for 20 million, from previous 5 millions, later talking about 14 million), or SoLZHenitsin(Lzhi = lie in Russian), who supported nazi.
I recommend you to check the list of the American History Review to know the true numbers.
Swordman85 1 year ago
@starwarsnerd100
When you kill millions of your own people, you lose labour force, which means that you lose productivity. With USSR during Stalin times, it was exactly the opposite. Check the statistics and you will see that while capitalist economies grew a maximun of 24% between 1919-39, USSR grew nearly 300%. How could a country grow that much with its own population dead? The logical answer would be "robots", which did not exist yet, or perfect clones of dead ppl.
Swordman85 1 year ago
This movie is awesome. Michael Caine as Stalin is beyond epic. And John Lithgow, as FDR.. Well after him as the totally fucked up Trinity killer in Dexter, I don't think I will be able to think of him as anything else, making this roll hilarously akward.
JosefVStalin 1 year ago
Is Michael Caine playing Stalin?
mrhp9 2 years ago
Yes, that's Caine as Stalin, and Bob Hoskins giving perhaps the best Churchill performance ever seen.
Setebos 1 year ago
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mrhp9 1 year ago
Yeah Bob Hoskins is really good too.
mrhp9 1 year ago
Hoskins is absolutely amazing in this production. By comparison, Lithgow makes a fair FDR, and Caine has several watchable moments as Stalin. But Hoskins steals the show.
Setebos 1 year ago
I wouldn't have ever guessed that Lithgow played FDR. He played him well, but they played all of their roles very well.
mrhp9 1 year ago
kochvision please download more of this movie. I think I saw it in1999.
Cordially, ger4819.
ger4819 2 years ago
and everyone is smoking...
MrUnseen 2 years ago
What is this movie called?
swivelskank 3 years ago
Doesn't it say on the title?
vigo894 3 years ago
Well i wasent sure it was the title...SORRY!
swivelskank 3 years ago
It's allright. No need to apologize :).
vigo894 3 years ago
I wanna see more of this movie!
jwiversen 3 years ago 2
Churchill had every right to be angry. If Stalin had not signed a non-aggression with Hitler, Hitler would not have invaded Poland and so WW2 would not have started.
GeneralYogiBear123 4 years ago 6
And don't forget as does everyone these days that the Soviets INVADED Poland just as Germany did ... they annexed half the country just the same.
lonewulf44 3 years ago 5
@lonewulf44
That's a cliche longely refuted by Professor Grover Furr. Soviets NEVER invaded Poland. When the nazi invaded it, Soviets and Nazi signed a NON-AGRESSION pact, bringing postulates on influence areas(not to be invaded areas). However, the Polish government colapsed and Poland became a country WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT. As the nazi invaded the rest of the country, the Soviets retook territories with Belarusian and Ukrainian majority, preventing them from nazi dominium
Swordman85 1 year ago
@Swordman85 LOL! Are you kidding me? That's a line that perhaps members of the NKVD might say they believe but all sane people see the reality. The Soviets sent in their massed military and took, invaded, stole, annexed, grabbed ... whatever you want to name it ...it was an invasion just as the German one only with far fewer resistance.
lonewulf44 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
You should learn to respect differences! Just because you learned one version at school, it does not mean that it was an absolute truth. A basic premisse of Scientific Method is exactly to "doubt, investigate and conclude". Lots of years ago people were taught that Earth was a plane, if you thought the opposite, then they called you a madman and burned you alive!
What I'm telling you is a fact, supported by facts and dates, not idealism or children stories as you do!
Swordman85 1 year ago
@lonewulf44
I am not kidding at all! I am a jurist and historian, I search what is right and truth, not what is "socially acepted" or what "Fox News" spreads, I first of all doubt, specially considering that Mass Media is an specialist in making lies every day, as the supposed balistic missiles of Iraq around 2002-03.
Once a country HAS NO CONSTITUTED GOVERNMENT, you can't speak about an invasion.
Thanks to the Soviets, these peoples did not fall before the nazi until 1941!
Swordman85 1 year ago
@Swordman85 Fox News?? Iraqi Scud missiles? Maybe that's for another comment as I'm not sure how those entered the conversation. The Mass Media (and as a whole , not simply one news outlet) are currently businesses without any regard to true journalism .... skewed facts that yes I would and could call lies a lot of the time. Back on topic, I'm all for searching what's right and true .... and it's a simple truth and fact that the Soviets grabbed half of Poland in their N-pact with Germany.
lonewulf44 1 year ago
Well, yes, Stalin could reproach Churchill, that he was making time not to open the second front, and that in 1918, Churchill as minister of war sent troops to topple the newly born soviet state
ElFrankus 5 years ago
@ElFrankus At that point no, since Stalin decided in the beginning to hook up with Hitler. For 6 month England was alone fighting this War, then when Hitler turns the table he reproaches Churchil. Stalin made his mess, he needed to deal with it..
dancumbe 2 years ago