of course it predates the bible because people wrote hyroglphs on walls, and temples. This doesnt mean the Sumarian account is older, it just means the bible wasnt on scrolls yet.
@eysofastrnjr of course it predatess the bible. these tablets even predate hyroglphs. in other words they are even before the Egyptians. The Jewish bible comes thousands of years later.
Its not a "World Flood" or a "Deluge" it was a Localized Mesopotamian Flood, in Genesis, Edan was around the Euphrates[Mesopotamia], Noah landed his ark on Mount Ararat [Northern Mesopotamia], thus a LOCAL FLOOD and proves its a Recycled Myth, it was berosus [3rd Cent BC Hellenistic Scholar] whom first Translated the Babylonian/Sumer Flood Accounts into GREEK [Same language as Septuagint, Hebrew Originals are myth], this makes "Berosus" the progenitor author of Genesis.
@thone2008 explain then why there are over 2000 great flood stories spread over the entire globe! Not all of them involve a Noah type charactor either
@NotInMyName2012 Floods are very common, some catastrophic, especially for people living in low lying coastal areas and river flood planes. That might explain why there are lots of flood stories. If there were lots of earthquake stories would you assume that it was the same earthquake?
What would the rational archaeologist in 2000 year time conclude about a large number of catastrophe films? Lots of alien invasions? Lots of killer bugs? Or a vibrant story telling culture?
@ let's not get into conjecture regarding the flood'myths'. How about we evaluate the geological evedence as it presents itself. The lecture I asked you to give some time to was not saying the Gt canyon was carved out by a flood. The guy was mearly presenting the anomalies in the diffent sedimentary rock layers and as such put forward a compelling arguement for there having been a massive event some time in Earths history.I wonder,did you actually spare the time to listen to this lecture?
@jessegguitar the new testament is a bunch of lies written by the romans to enslave and deceive our minds. In other words it is a load of bullshit. The story of jesus is a rehash of older stories and they are all linked to the movement of the stars.
Basque villages were devastated by bombs,Franco's bombers pursued the ships, but they arrived safely. Basque children who were orphaned were adopted by the British people. God gathers the various remnants of His chosen race in His own way and in His own good time. We leave our Basque brethren in the Pyrenees til the day when "Their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the peoples; all who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed the Lord has blessed."
@MegaSage007 Since I see no design, there is no designer. Glad you cleared that up. I do however see a mountain of evidence supporting evolution. If you have evidence of a designer I'd like to see it. Got proof for your hypothesis? I could talk for a week on the scientific evidence supporting evolution by natural selection from the fossil record to molecular biology and genetics.
@edwardschlosser1 Since you see no design, you are blind. Our Solar System functions like intricate clockwork with the orbital vehicle earth carrying six billion human passengers a million 500,000 miles in the past 24 hours without a bump in the orbit so you were most likely unmindful of it, and of it spinning on its axis simultaneously at 1000+mph while the moon orbits around it and the entire solar system orbits around the Milky Way. Dumb matter doesn't design anything much less a Universe.
@Lowfun LOL! Evolution and natural selection do not make any such claim (that we came from a puddle of mud). The ones making that claim are those who believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. (Facepalms)
@AloofPeregrine Here is a link to one of my favorite debates about I.D. / Evolution. William F.Buckley and a panal of others. If you could also point me in the direction of these type of debates / lectures I would appreciate it.
bellow - written by Egyptian historian Manetho about "Moses" - as Osiris's priest and no "prince of Egypt". Jewish nightmare and "sad" truth... they also do not realize that "Genesis " and other Biblical texts are based on Sumerian and Egyptian and even Vedic texts...
I am coming to the conclusion now that the Jews were possibly famous Egyptians in ancient history. Perhaps Moses was the figure Akhenaten? The Pharaoh who defaced all the many God's of Egypt and proclaimed that there was one God. Perhaps the exodus was really an exile of him and his followers. Perhaps the Hebrew religion is simply an evolution of Egyptian beliefs from this event.
@HappilyDayzed " "Moses: It was also reported that the priest, who ordained their polity and their laws, was by birth of Heliopolis, and his name Osarsiph, from Osyris, who was the god of Heliopolis; but that when he was gone over to these people, his name was changed, and he was called Moses.
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Your "Moses" as Messiah (comes from Hykso Egyptian term Mes or Messu + Yah;"giving birth to... - Yah) was nobody else than well known person to old Egyptians - Osiris's (Lord) of the dead) priest.
@HappilyDayzed Close, but I don't think they were Egyptian from what I've researched over the past year. I'm of the conclusion that they were actually a faction of Canaanites. I would highly recommend the videos on the channels by heterodoxism2 and sapiensape to see what I mean. Also check out sapiensape's website "Bible Origins." Fascinating stuff. A lot of the cultures at that time were increasingly becoming competitve/monotheistic though, like your example with Amon Ra in Egypt.
Why argue over inconsistencies in the stories of man's history? If we look at today's history of current events we see that there are views that support our ideology as well as those that don't. We must remember that history is just a view of writers on events which are slanted by the ideology of the writers of the time period.The truth is maybe somewhere in the middle afterall they do call it " HIS story(history)"!
@MegajasmineR listen from 2:33 (in the video). It was said that the flood should be created against human kind and not to - god's created "human"... there were wars between humans and "humans"...this is whole point of the bible, torah, zohar, quran. The "humans" wanted to cross breed with human females constantly. No god created 1. human on this planet, only "humans" (Adapas) were created by them (aliens) - "in their image".
@MegajasmineR and yes hisTORy (comes from stories of Torah, but problem is that 1. Torah was written in 11. century AD - today known as Leningrad Codex; yes there is no older Torah; so what does this mean? It means that whole hisTORy is more or less based on this book and nobody doubts it in its "ancient existance ". Scary stuff -eh? Just like the "problem " of Genesis 6:1-4. That almost nobody understands...
The Old testament is the history of the Jews and nothing more. The account of creation in Genesis is just hand-me-down "spin" as presented by the writers who had little more intelligence than a can of tuna. To learn the truth you must read all available material and not just works by some guy named Moses.
@dickmartn Evidence increasingly points to books from Genesis to 2 Kings being written by a single, unknown author either near the end of the Babylonian exile or right after it. There are some good scholarly sources available online about it, starting with Bible Origins dot net.
What does it matter if the flood was worldwide or regional ? The point is totally invalid ! The function of the bible is to introduce us to and teach Us the importance of Honoring God.. The bible makes no attempt or claim as an authority set out to define perfectly accurate details of geography, time frames, etc... And, those who choose to argue the details of events such as the flood in an attempt to further validate OR dispell it, are much like elephant's attempting to tread water IMHO..
You make some very good points, but it is also important to recognize the Bible's structure that works to not only to reveal dine truths but also define a people as well. The Bible does indeed present a history that has been taken as truth for centuries. Larger ideas are presented that are purely mythical, true, but there is a definite blend. That's why it's so confusing. Archaeology is providing more answers every year but we need to be open to what we find.
If you believe the bible is accurate, then maybe we should consider that there arose 2 opposing versions of history... ie....Seth's vs. Cain's.... Is it not strange that the sumerian version portrays Cain innocently, much unlike the bible? Just food for thought...
@myvisions08 "The function of the bible is to introduce us to and teach Us the importance of Honoring God' ... so why then Genesis wasn't taught before ? Your God is so great that he didn't reveal itself until like 1600 B.C, but before that he was completely SILENT LOL ! Civilizations older existed before and they didn't had the 10 commandment ! The Old Testament is a bunch of B.S
@damississippione The Bible existed before the foundation of the world???? This is simply not true and if you mean this in a metaphorical sense, that is outside any discussions based on fact and evidence.
@helvis213 - ancient man liked living near water - we still do - look at where the majority of the population lives in Australia and North America. Over time areas flood and some land is lost forever. The North Sea and The Black Sea both formed about 10,000 years ago. A flood on such a scale destroys your world and as far as you as a victim is concerned is the whole world.
We are more enlightened today and know there was never a single global flood.
No we are only more skeptical today, don't confuse that with enlightened, there WAS a worldwide global flood and I have reason to believe that it happened several thousand years ago, after the fall of Atlantis
@croxleylad actally there is some proof. high in mountains masses of bones have been found in caves that are so mixed and broken up it is as if they were dumped there by a great flood. I'm sorry that I can't at the present remember where in the world they were found but if I remember I'll let you know. This is not bullshit!!
@croxleylad I have not managed to recall that information yet but in the process of searching I found this video. 'The grand canyon-evidence for the flood' on BereanBeacon channel. It really is most interesting, please watch and let me know what you think.
@NotInMyName2012 Don't be ridiculous. There is no doubt about how the Grand Canyon was created and it took a long time. This nonsense has been debunked so many times.
@croxleylad forgive me for thinking you might actually watch the video first. Your loss. btw I have a degree in geology and would not be passing on any video if I thought it was ridiculous. It would seem I wasted my effort in comunicating with you. if you watch the lecture you may actually change your mind.
@NotInMyName2012 Actually I did look at the video but it is more than one hour long and unless it is really going to provide some proper evidence its not worthwhile watching something that re-hashes the same only crazy tales.
One indicator I use to decide if something is worth watching is if it cites sources - sadly this video doesn't and that of course suggests one thing - that there is no science supporting it at all.
@croxleylad lol can't you spare the hour! I studied at Hertfordshire University if you really must know. If you can't even be bothered to listen to a very interesting talk such as the one I suggested then I have to say discussion closed. Have a good life :-)
@NotInMyName2012 The point is not whether I can spare an hour but why would I waste an hour watching an opinion piece with no basis in science. There is far more entertaining fiction than that to watch and the numerous videos that debunk it with actual science would be a better investment of anyone's time.
You studied Geology at Herts Uni? When? I only ask because it seems that since you got a degree they have realised they knew nothing about Geology and stopped teaching it.
@helvis213 Their world was flat. Their world was as far as they could see. They had no idea what was going on on the other side of the world. When there was a flood from horizon to horizon, their WHOLE WORLD was flooded. Local floods happened in any place of the world.
Actually there is, but geological evidence is tricky, I could recommend a book that shows that there is plenty of evidence to suggest there was a major catastrophe, possibly a global flood, I gave you evidence but you chose to ignore it
@gatheringleaves : Actually you build your theory on sand. How did Noah and family,6.000 years ago, know that their whole world was flooded, Did they know how big the world was. Did they know the world was a sphere. Did they go to the other side of the world, to see, if it was flooded ?
@gatheringleaves As a geologist I can tell you that the evidence of floods is very clear when they happen. Your lack of knowledge on marine sediments, the changes in rivers, the damage to the shoreline life, the changes in ocean currents and global weather and so much more would be very well in evidence with a flood. No evidence. No flood.
@gatheringleaves - one flood is much like another when it comes down to it. Water levels rise and land is flooded. The stories that surround any events change each time they are told. They need to remain fresh and interesting and things start to happen faster. Much detail is lost but they still need to answer questions like how did people escape and what happened to the animals so a giant boat is invented when in reality those that survived would have walked almost certainly walked away.
@gatheringleaves - and how do stories that were not written down for centuries not change? Which ones have not changed and what evidence to you have that they remain unchanged?
@croxleylad The use of "books" and stories written by from people with no geographic knowledge, no understanding of science at all, and no awareness of anything more than an uneducated peasant in a desert would have does not count as evidence. All science stands against this myth. There is no valid evidence for any of the Bible's accounts of a global flood.
It doesn't matter whether you believe in this or not. Science is wrong in many ways, you should know that. And how the hell do you know how "advanced" the ancients were you bastard, they managed to build amazing structures like pyramids and some of the ancient societies were actually quite advanced in their architecture. You need to open your mind a bit and stop being so ignorant
@gatheringleaves Odd how insults and anger tend to be the recourse of those who run out of facts. I know the ancients did the best they could with what they had, but they were hardly at par with modern physics, astronomy, biology, geology, or even geography. Sadly, insulting me as a bastard and your other comments ends this discussion.
@SolofTarsus5 There is much evidence that ancient people had great knowledge of science,mathematics,astrology,astronomy and that they even mapped the entire globe thousands of years ago. You need to start reading more!
Some civilizations were lost to this cataclysm. Atlantis and Lemuria for example. This cataclysm happend across the world flooding coastal and low lying areas of civilization creating oral and later, written history such as above and later the Bible's depiction of The Flood. The Flood is the story of man surviving the melted ice caps of the last Ice Age.
Lemuria is a hypothetical "lost land" variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. The concept attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography, however, the idea Lemuria has been rendered obsolete by modern understanding of plate tectonics. Although sunken continents do exist — like Zealandia in the Pacific and the Kerguelen Plateau in the Indian Ocean - there is no geological formation under the Indian or Pacific Oceans that corresponds to the hypothetical Lemuria.
@thebizkid84 Atlantis (in Greek "island of Atlas") is a legendary island first mentioned in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias.
In Plato's account, Atlantis was a naval power lying "in front of the Pillars of Hercules" that conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa 9,000 years before the time of Solon, or approximately 9600 BC. After a failed attempt to invade Athens, Atlantis sank into the ocean "in a single day and night of misfortune".
The Flood was caused by a giant submarine volcanic explosion that stirred up the seas. The waters covered low lying lands killing all life in their way. The colossal volcanic explosion also covered the skies with cinders and evaporated water, so that, it indeed would of rained for awhile and the skies were dark and gloomy for a long time. The event occurred some 11,600 years ago, and caused the end of the Pleistocene or, more exactly, of its last glacial episode.
your a voice of wisdom in a sea of ignorance. i reccommend a book The Hiram Key. Its an excellent read and shows how these religions and traditions did indeed spawn in Sumerian times. Read it. you wont be dissapointed.
How about all of this being interesting stories but hardly true. There is nothing in the geological record, then fossil record, genetic distribution, or anything else to support this story or any other story of this sort. They are nice stories written by people who knew nothing of the Earth or universe we live in.
Once again that is not true. There actually is geological and fossil evidence that the Great Flood was Global. I could show you a few sources if you want. Your ignorance is showing. You just laugh it off because you don't want to believe something in the Bible actually happened
@gatheringleaves My ignorance? Fluvial deposition is quite distinctly marked. This was NOT global. I wish to believe facts and evidence. I do not seek to retrofit the evidence to a story that is also not global. The facts in the geological record are not as you wish to believe. If the evidence is there, science reports it.
@gatheringleaves : Actually. there is evidence that the flood if there was any, was not global. Do you know that only 5 out of 106 bible colleges, teach biblical creation and the flood ? But still you maintain that the flood happened and that silly IMPOSSIBLE story of the Ark.
@gatheringleaves: This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as oppose to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
@gatheringleaves Where all this water came from and where did it all go afterward? There isn't enough water to flood the entire planet and cover all the mountain. How did Noah fit all the species of animals inside the ark and create a biosphere diverse enough to support all the earth environment? How about the distance between the continent? It flood for 40 days, some animals have shorter lifespan. I can't understand why people let their emotion to override their logic.
I am not talking about Noah at all, I believe there was a worldwide flood and that it happened after a major catastrophe and various legends and archaeological evidence from around the world supports that.
@gatheringleaves Even if there was one, it would not have covered the entire planet. there's just not enough water for that. a Global flood would have only covered all the coastal region of the planet.
@gatheringleaves Sadly, Gatheringleaves, you have no idea what you are talking about. Science is open to all evidence. The Bible stories are no more true than Mayan creation myths, Chinese celestial dragon myths, Norse god myths, or Egyptian afterlife myths. Get a degree in geology or paleontology and then come back.
How the hell do you know the Bible Stories, Mayan Creation Myths, Chinese Celestial Dragon Myths, Norse God Myths, and Egyptian Afterlife Myths aren't true. I know for a fact some of them are. All over the world there are similarities between certain legends, for instance the Mayan Five Worlds Myths is extremely similar to the Hindu concept of Yugas, and this is demonstrated in several different places in the world. I suggest you read a book called "Human Devolution" by Michael Cremo
I don't need a degree in geology or palentology to see that you're an idiot. You think you're so smart but you're not, I don't care what credentials or degrees you have. You cannot ignore the fact that there is a substansial amount of evidence to suggest alot of the old legends about Atlantis, Lemuria, the Ancient Floods, and other strange phenomena are true. It's simple been covered up to keep people in ignorance.
@gatheringleaves This is not about degrees. It is about actually knowing how to think about the evidence and judge what is likely and what is not. In your case, the desire to place myth above evidence (not conjecture) and rely on people with a mystical agenda speaks for itself.
@damississippione No... you cannot prove a negative. But I also cannot prove the Koran isn't true or the Hindu scriptures are not true or Victoria's Secret catalog isn't true. Making something a fact is NOT a matter of saying you cannot disprove it. The idea of the God of the Whole Universe picking one tiny sliver of humanity for salvation, ignoring everyone else, and then working through proxy writers is nonsense. What kind of god makes it next to impossible to know the truth? No god. There.
how does he make it next to impossible? your making yourself not believe in him when all the proof is there of him, what you dont believe in him cause you dont see him? well if thats so then your already doomed.
@damississippione Clearly your standards for objective "proof" are different than mine. The second- and third-hand writings of unobjective people are not proof. Every religion claims miracles, all of them from whatever god they have created. There is every reason to question the writings of others, especially those without objectivity. Again, the Bible says nothing about the world not known to some peasant in a backwater town of the Roman Empire. It is just a story, but a good one.
@damississippione Let's see... a book that is supposed to last and be a guide for all peoples at all times and the source of all truth...is missing big chunks of what is real and fails to mention anything more than what peasants knew in 1st Century Rome. I am never going to understand global geography or how many planets there are or what a galaxy is or how old the Earth is? This is the book that is to guide modern life and be the last word in truth, even for geology? Nope. Not buying it.
@Urdalibertine And this is a real problem for a religion that was a perfect fit for a universe and a world at the time of the Roman Empire. Odd now to think of a god of the entire universe, so large we cannot comprehend it, being focused on the individuals of humanity and how closely we are accepting every word of the Bible as written. More odd to think that the God of the Universe would make floods to wipe out all life, some animals also being evil, and restarting humanity. Is this rational?
@Urdalibertine It also begs the question of what personal salvation is about when you get to a universal scale. Nearly every religion on Earth over thousands of years has used fear and guilt and sin as a way to control people - and those gods were certainly not vaild. Now we have another god, just as passionately believed in as the older ones were, and more damnation and salvation to consider. Really? Where do facts and evidence win over "because I say so!" for thinking beings?
By universal scale are you talking about the entire universe or just earth?
Because the way I see if the rest of the Universe doesn't quite have the problems we do related to God.Why should he go forth into our lives if we so abundantly reject him.
Some individuals here will choose to accept God and most will go along with whatever religion or society offers.I don't have an easy answer as to what salvation means
@UrdalibertineI appreciate your honesty and clarity of thought. Sadly, what salvation means to some people is controlling others through either falsehoods or intolerance. The truth has to be supreme to human hopes if we are to have meaningful lives. If the facts and evidence does not support what humans once thought, then we need to think again. Certainly any God that exists does not favor what is false or manipulated. And the hope of salvation based on falsehoods in no salvation at all.
Find out what REALLY destroyed the ancient Earth and what these flood stories are really about. Astounding new evidence has been discovered. See what "geologists" and evolutionists DO NOT WANT YOU TO SEE!
Ehrm, Abraham probably wasn't born at the times of Hummurabi yet. The two tablets of stone, were presumably copies dating 600BC or so from Hammurabi's 2 Colums, dating more than a 1000 years before.
I thought the poster was just putting up interesting ancient stories anyone could learn in a history class or textbook, but I'm getting the idea he actually BELIEVES all this stuff happened/going to happen. LOL
I bought some nice green wellingtons in Marks and Spencers today. I borrowed my mum's walking stick and went to the disco but the rather large, powerfully built, unpleasant foreign gentleman at the entrance would not let me in, he said I looked like trouble and told me to go away. Things have changed so much since we became more civilsed.
Maybe the shiny green wellingtons and your mum's walking stick intimidated the people. That may be why you were met by that Humbaba-like man at the disco's front door.
Change is dynamic but civilization, stunted and human in nature, refuses to keep pace. Your dilemma lies in there, my friend, at least, this is what I'm inclined to think, based on the few details I have to go on.
Fear not: those sturdy new boots will serve you well as you journey further into the undefinable fury.
any where where their is destruction and mass murder or war that pale mans face is always there. he is the plague of this earth they will do there fathers will children of the great deceiver they did nothing but rape, kill, steal,mass murder,lie, deceive and make weapons of mass destruction their whole existence on the planet earth. they have caused so much blood shed through out the earths history that it would fill all the oceans and the sea`s.
Flood was pretty common in ancient time mainly because early humans couldn't predict them successfully. The early Bronze age people had no idea how big the World was so each develop legend about the world being flooded. There never was a global flood that cover the entire Earth however.
Your explanation is reasonable. BUT, how do you know there never was a flood that covered the Earth. Maybe there were a series of floods. Velikosky recognized that the Flood Myth is in almost every society on all continents. The problem is people have a need to believe, irrespective of facts. And people refuse any evidence, that doesn't fit their belief system or idealogy. Forget archealogist, they are the stupidest people who inhabit this planet.
Because every society on every continent has had to deal with floods and sometime major ones. These stories are centuries and millennium apart. That doesn't mean that they are connected. For instance, a tsunami had flooded the Western United States, giving rise to Native American flood legend. That doesn't mean that this particular flood legend is related to the Biblical flood.
petion2000, I don't disagree with your reply.I started thinking about this subject & looking at video's. See, the posted video "Mediterranean Flood Model" by kabane52. Robert Audrey, talks about the creation of the mediterranean sea. In as much as the Mediterranean area &Middle East bordering it, at one time were the whole world. This might make some sense. Premise, Mediterranean Sea was a dry, until flooded when gibralter 'plug' allowed Atlantic to flood area. A gigantic flood!
There have been a lot of speculations about that. In one model, some had suggested that the flooding of the Caspian Sea to be the inspiration of the flood story. However, neither model is plausible since the flooding in both cases had taken thousand of years. The Biblical flood most likely originated from an actual flood in Mesopotamia around the Euphrates rivers. Remember that to early bronze age societies, the world was only as small as they could imagine.
ive pondered the same theory. but how then do we explain the uniform nature of all life on earth? Shouldnt we see two very distinct strings of life. one Earth and one Martian. I highly doubt Earth would be a "prime" landing zone if it didn't already have life abundant.
petion2000, check out Monuments of Mars, Richard Hoagland.
The 'Flood' story is a riddle. You make
very interesting points.
Another possiblity, the surface of the earth
shifted. The surface is like a tangerine skin. There's a theory that as the polar caps get ladden with miles of ice, the weight causes the surface to move. Some feel that Anartica is the 'shifted' continent of Atlantis.
I guess the other guy is an idoit or a troll but at 34 degrees f ice is at it greatest mass.the only liquid that reaches greatest mass before becoming a solid,
the flood story was delivered over civilisation to the sub cultures that had sumer as origina, like egypt. 3100 BC when pharao Menes became the first 2king" of egypt. god Ra banaished God Thoth from egypt. Thoth took his people and loyals and went over the sea to middle america which resulted in the olmek culture, the first known civilisation in america
Yes it does you fool. Because I checked that out and there are specific details that are similar between the Native American Flood Legends and the Biblical Ones, if you do a little research you would see for yourself
Many anthropologists believe that since ancient civilizations gave anomorphic names to many things that they did not understand, that "dragons" for example pertained to volcanoes.
And where does fact and language find common ground. When any name can mean anything, then there is no fact. If you seek the truth, consult the research and test it. Do not rely on stories written by people who only knew what they saw and generally interpreted it wrongly.
@gatheringleaves - you mean our ancestors that survived this mythical flood rather than their parents, cousins and children who were judged, along with all other humans, as wicked and murdered along with millions of animals and plants.
Bit dramatic for a vengeful god even if he was having a bad day.
What on Earth are you talking about. Look there is plenty of reason to believe the flood happened, there is geological as well as mythological evidence, if you don't believe me I could recommend a book that explains it more clearly
@gatheringleaves - What am I talking about? I'm asking about those 'ancestors' that are not given enough credit. Why were they better than their cousins? What about Noah's grandchildren alive before the flood (he was 600 years old) and their descendants - why were they wicked but Noah and his sons not?
Oh boy solofofTarsus, you're really in for it huh. Listen there is plenty of evidence the flood happened and was on a global scale, it doesn't matter whether or not the evidence is widely accepted. All of the ancient societies have myths that describe an ancient devastating flood, therefore it happened and you cannot deny it much longer. There actually IS evidence for a global flood, you're just too closeminded to seek it out. It's sad really, but I assure it happened
You make very good points fntime. I love how these atheists and bible debunkers claim they're so open-minded and intelligent yet they are just as close-minded as the Religious People whenever something comes along that disputes THEIR belief systems they refuse to accept it. The definition of hypocrisy
@gatheringleaves - actually I think they refuse to waste their time with things that we no not to be true. If you have any evidence present it. You don't. There is none because all the evidence in geological layers and fossil records prove without any doubt at al that there was no flood on the scale you envisage.
I have ruled out the existence of fairies simply on the basis of evidence. There is none. Therefore unless there is new evidence I have no need to look at it.
Do you think they live in the same dimension where Atlantis went to or the place where the Jack and his giant live or the one where the seven dwarfs live?
Actually there is alot of evidence to suggest that the flood was global and that people of the Bronze Age, atleast some people were alot more advanced then originally thought. I could recommend you a few books If you want the truth
@gatheringleaves - just name the three most convincing pieces of evidence. You know the real winners and lets have the links to support the evidence. Just post it here and if I can refute it maybe you will look again at the other 'evidence' you think you have.
Big deal.300 years ago the Pacfic NW had a Giant tsunami off the entire coast.The Native Americans have legends about it. And who else has the same story? The Japanese who were also hit by the same tsunami hours later in Japan,they wrote about it in their history books.According to this criteria Indians told the Japanese what was coming.That's the only way they could have known.One event both places experiences it.Japan calls it an orphan tsunami.
I think you need to do a bit more research on the matter and you will find evidences all around the world amongst the many tribes, which speak of a global flood destroying all mankind, save 8 persons and pairs of animals!
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 "The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders, and every type of evil to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. Then all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned." Anu = Satan. Alien
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of course it predates the bible because people wrote hyroglphs on walls, and temples. This doesnt mean the Sumarian account is older, it just means the bible wasnt on scrolls yet.
eysofastrnjr 2 weeks ago
@eysofastrnjr of course it predatess the bible. these tablets even predate hyroglphs. in other words they are even before the Egyptians. The Jewish bible comes thousands of years later.
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
Its not a "World Flood" or a "Deluge" it was a Localized Mesopotamian Flood, in Genesis, Edan was around the Euphrates[Mesopotamia], Noah landed his ark on Mount Ararat [Northern Mesopotamia], thus a LOCAL FLOOD and proves its a Recycled Myth, it was berosus [3rd Cent BC Hellenistic Scholar] whom first Translated the Babylonian/Sumer Flood Accounts into GREEK [Same language as Septuagint, Hebrew Originals are myth], this makes "Berosus" the progenitor author of Genesis.
thone2008 2 months ago
@thone2008 explain then why there are over 2000 great flood stories spread over the entire globe! Not all of them involve a Noah type charactor either
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@NotInMyName2012
Floods are a Common Occurrence they always happen, and Nature was always deified as God, hence, God(s) caused the Flood(s).
thone2008 5 days ago
@NotInMyName2012 Floods are very common, some catastrophic, especially for people living in low lying coastal areas and river flood planes. That might explain why there are lots of flood stories. If there were lots of earthquake stories would you assume that it was the same earthquake?
What would the rational archaeologist in 2000 year time conclude about a large number of catastrophe films? Lots of alien invasions? Lots of killer bugs? Or a vibrant story telling culture?
croxleylad 4 days ago
@ let's not get into conjecture regarding the flood'myths'. How about we evaluate the geological evedence as it presents itself. The lecture I asked you to give some time to was not saying the Gt canyon was carved out by a flood. The guy was mearly presenting the anomalies in the diffent sedimentary rock layers and as such put forward a compelling arguement for there having been a massive event some time in Earths history.I wonder,did you actually spare the time to listen to this lecture?
NotInMyName2012 4 days ago
i know alot contradicts the old testament... but the new testament?
jessegguitar 3 months ago
@jessegguitar the new testament is a bunch of lies written by the romans to enslave and deceive our minds. In other words it is a load of bullshit. The story of jesus is a rehash of older stories and they are all linked to the movement of the stars.
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
god is another way of saying intelligent life we havn't met yet
twistedbass15 5 months ago
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Basque villages were devastated by bombs,Franco's bombers pursued the ships, but they arrived safely. Basque children who were orphaned were adopted by the British people. God gathers the various remnants of His chosen race in His own way and in His own good time. We leave our Basque brethren in the Pyrenees til the day when "Their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the peoples; all who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed the Lord has blessed."
TheBasqueLand 6 months ago
"the assembly of the gods" = the alignment of the planets.
wheelori814 7 months ago
@wheelori814 or it actualy means the assembly of a race of beings who lorded it over us, who we thought were the Gods
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
THE EXTRAORDINARILY DESIGNED UNIVERSE REQUIRES AN EXTRAORDINARY DESIGNER.
MegaSage007 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 Since I see no design, there is no designer. Glad you cleared that up. I do however see a mountain of evidence supporting evolution. If you have evidence of a designer I'd like to see it. Got proof for your hypothesis? I could talk for a week on the scientific evidence supporting evolution by natural selection from the fossil record to molecular biology and genetics.
edwardschlosser1 8 months ago
@edwardschlosser1 Since you see no design, you are blind. Our Solar System functions like intricate clockwork with the orbital vehicle earth carrying six billion human passengers a million 500,000 miles in the past 24 hours without a bump in the orbit so you were most likely unmindful of it, and of it spinning on its axis simultaneously at 1000+mph while the moon orbits around it and the entire solar system orbits around the Milky Way. Dumb matter doesn't design anything much less a Universe.
MegaSage007 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 like your name lol. oh great sage. Btw there are 7 billion people! none of what you say points to design. you are a fool with a big ego
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@edwardschlosser1 Evolution is a lie. Sorry you have spent so much time pondering the fact we came from a puddle of mud.
Lowfun 4 months ago
@Lowfun LOL! Evolution and natural selection do not make any such claim (that we came from a puddle of mud). The ones making that claim are those who believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. (Facepalms)
AloofPeregrine 4 months ago
@AloofPeregrine Here is a link to one of my favorite debates about I.D. / Evolution. William F.Buckley and a panal of others. If you could also point me in the direction of these type of debates / lectures I would appreciate it.
watch?v=k7gZhksK9Sw
Lowfun 4 months ago
@MegaSage007 bullshit...tell me then ,this extraordinary designer,who designed it? This is the most flawed logic!
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
bellow - written by Egyptian historian Manetho about "Moses" - as Osiris's priest and no "prince of Egypt". Jewish nightmare and "sad" truth... they also do not realize that "Genesis " and other Biblical texts are based on Sumerian and Egyptian and even Vedic texts...
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
I am coming to the conclusion now that the Jews were possibly famous Egyptians in ancient history. Perhaps Moses was the figure Akhenaten? The Pharaoh who defaced all the many God's of Egypt and proclaimed that there was one God. Perhaps the exodus was really an exile of him and his followers. Perhaps the Hebrew religion is simply an evolution of Egyptian beliefs from this event.
HappilyDayzed 9 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
@HappilyDayzed " "Moses: It was also reported that the priest, who ordained their polity and their laws, was by birth of Heliopolis, and his name Osarsiph, from Osyris, who was the god of Heliopolis; but that when he was gone over to these people, his name was changed, and he was called Moses.
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Your "Moses" as Messiah (comes from Hykso Egyptian term Mes or Messu + Yah;"giving birth to... - Yah) was nobody else than well known person to old Egyptians - Osiris's (Lord) of the dead) priest.
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
@HappilyDayzed Close, but I don't think they were Egyptian from what I've researched over the past year. I'm of the conclusion that they were actually a faction of Canaanites. I would highly recommend the videos on the channels by heterodoxism2 and sapiensape to see what I mean. Also check out sapiensape's website "Bible Origins." Fascinating stuff. A lot of the cultures at that time were increasingly becoming competitve/monotheistic though, like your example with Amon Ra in Egypt.
AloofPeregrine 4 months ago
@HappilyDayzed i too have started to believe that!
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
Why argue over inconsistencies in the stories of man's history? If we look at today's history of current events we see that there are views that support our ideology as well as those that don't. We must remember that history is just a view of writers on events which are slanted by the ideology of the writers of the time period.The truth is maybe somewhere in the middle afterall they do call it " HIS story(history)"!
MegajasmineR 1 year ago
@MegajasmineR listen from 2:33 (in the video). It was said that the flood should be created against human kind and not to - god's created "human"... there were wars between humans and "humans"...this is whole point of the bible, torah, zohar, quran. The "humans" wanted to cross breed with human females constantly. No god created 1. human on this planet, only "humans" (Adapas) were created by them (aliens) - "in their image".
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
@MegajasmineR and yes hisTORy (comes from stories of Torah, but problem is that 1. Torah was written in 11. century AD - today known as Leningrad Codex; yes there is no older Torah; so what does this mean? It means that whole hisTORy is more or less based on this book and nobody doubts it in its "ancient existance ". Scary stuff -eh? Just like the "problem " of Genesis 6:1-4. That almost nobody understands...
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
The Old testament is the history of the Jews and nothing more. The account of creation in Genesis is just hand-me-down "spin" as presented by the writers who had little more intelligence than a can of tuna. To learn the truth you must read all available material and not just works by some guy named Moses.
dickmartn 1 year ago 7
@dickmartn
"...little more intelligence than a can of tuna."
Funny, but sad, too. In your rush to condemn, you fail to see the parallels that are illustrated here in this video.
Works by a guy named Moses? Do you really believe Moses wrote the Hebrew Bible? Maybe that's where you should start.
Good luck
helvis213 1 year ago
@dickmartn this would more or less tell me that the Bible is True.
Renagadepatriot 8 months ago
@dickmartn this would more or less tell me that the Bible is True. but I agree with you .
Renagadepatriot 8 months ago
@dickmartn moses was in the high class in egypt. Moses was not a idiot
MegaVladimir1988 8 months ago in playlist 4th Que-Ancient Origins
@dickmartn Evidence increasingly points to books from Genesis to 2 Kings being written by a single, unknown author either near the end of the Babylonian exile or right after it. There are some good scholarly sources available online about it, starting with Bible Origins dot net.
AloofPeregrine 4 months ago
long live kurdistan
54kurdo 1 year ago
this is kurdish history
54kurdo 1 year ago
@54kurdo no it is not,kurds were not invented then
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
What does it matter if the flood was worldwide or regional ? The point is totally invalid ! The function of the bible is to introduce us to and teach Us the importance of Honoring God.. The bible makes no attempt or claim as an authority set out to define perfectly accurate details of geography, time frames, etc... And, those who choose to argue the details of events such as the flood in an attempt to further validate OR dispell it, are much like elephant's attempting to tread water IMHO..
myvisions08 1 year ago
@myvisions08
You make some very good points, but it is also important to recognize the Bible's structure that works to not only to reveal dine truths but also define a people as well. The Bible does indeed present a history that has been taken as truth for centuries. Larger ideas are presented that are purely mythical, true, but there is a definite blend. That's why it's so confusing. Archaeology is providing more answers every year but we need to be open to what we find.
helvis213 1 year ago
@helvis213
If you believe the bible is accurate, then maybe we should consider that there arose 2 opposing versions of history... ie....Seth's vs. Cain's.... Is it not strange that the sumerian version portrays Cain innocently, much unlike the bible? Just food for thought...
myvisions08 1 year ago
@helvis213 YOU MUST ALL WAKE UP I FOUND OUT THE REAL SECRET
SpaceMan131326 1 year ago
@myvisions08 elephants actually swim very well....
politeinquisition 1 year ago
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LeRationnel27 3 weeks ago
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@myvisions08 "The function of the bible is to introduce us to and teach Us the importance of Honoring God' ... so why then Genesis wasn't taught before ? Your God is so great that he didn't reveal itself until like 1600 B.C, but before that he was completely SILENT LOL ! Civilizations older existed before and they didn't had the 10 commandment ! The Old Testament is a bunch of B.S
LeRationnel27 3 weeks ago
@myvisions08 if you look deeper you will find the original stories from Sumer talk of 'gods' not god, nice try though. do more reading
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
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myvisions08 1 year ago
sumerian version? lol, you cant predate the bible since it existed before the foundation of the world
damississippione 1 year ago
@damississippione The Bible existed before the foundation of the world???? This is simply not true and if you mean this in a metaphorical sense, that is outside any discussions based on fact and evidence.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@helvis213 - ancient man liked living near water - we still do - look at where the majority of the population lives in Australia and North America. Over time areas flood and some land is lost forever. The North Sea and The Black Sea both formed about 10,000 years ago. A flood on such a scale destroys your world and as far as you as a victim is concerned is the whole world.
We are more enlightened today and know there was never a single global flood.
croxleylad 1 year ago
No we are only more skeptical today, don't confuse that with enlightened, there WAS a worldwide global flood and I have reason to believe that it happened several thousand years ago, after the fall of Atlantis
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves
What physical evidence do you have of any global, mountain covering flood?
There is no evidence in the geological record, in the fossil record or in the genetic record.
Not one piece of credible evidence exists because it never happened.
croxleylad 1 year ago
@croxleylad actally there is some proof. high in mountains masses of bones have been found in caves that are so mixed and broken up it is as if they were dumped there by a great flood. I'm sorry that I can't at the present remember where in the world they were found but if I remember I'll let you know. This is not bullshit!!
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@NotInMyName2012 I'd be interested to check it out if you do find any more information on it.
croxleylad 5 days ago
@croxleylad I have not managed to recall that information yet but in the process of searching I found this video. 'The grand canyon-evidence for the flood' on BereanBeacon channel. It really is most interesting, please watch and let me know what you think.
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@NotInMyName2012 Don't be ridiculous. There is no doubt about how the Grand Canyon was created and it took a long time. This nonsense has been debunked so many times.
croxleylad 5 days ago
@croxleylad forgive me for thinking you might actually watch the video first. Your loss. btw I have a degree in geology and would not be passing on any video if I thought it was ridiculous. It would seem I wasted my effort in comunicating with you. if you watch the lecture you may actually change your mind.
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@NotInMyName2012 Actually I did look at the video but it is more than one hour long and unless it is really going to provide some proper evidence its not worthwhile watching something that re-hashes the same only crazy tales.
One indicator I use to decide if something is worth watching is if it cites sources - sadly this video doesn't and that of course suggests one thing - that there is no science supporting it at all.
Where did you get your degree?
croxleylad 4 days ago
@croxleylad lol can't you spare the hour! I studied at Hertfordshire University if you really must know. If you can't even be bothered to listen to a very interesting talk such as the one I suggested then I have to say discussion closed. Have a good life :-)
NotInMyName2012 4 days ago
@NotInMyName2012 The point is not whether I can spare an hour but why would I waste an hour watching an opinion piece with no basis in science. There is far more entertaining fiction than that to watch and the numerous videos that debunk it with actual science would be a better investment of anyone's time.
You studied Geology at Herts Uni? When? I only ask because it seems that since you got a degree they have realised they knew nothing about Geology and stopped teaching it.
croxleylad 4 days ago
Why are Sumerian/Babylonian texts always read by blokes with such deep comedy voices?
dortyhoor 1 year ago
@helvis213 Their world was flat. Their world was as far as they could see. They had no idea what was going on on the other side of the world. When there was a flood from horizon to horizon, their WHOLE WORLD was flooded. Local floods happened in any place of the world.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Yes but that still doesn't explain the fact that there are similarities between the flood legends around the world as well as the geological evidence
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves There is geological evidence to the contrary. Civilisations have been unearthed with no trace of a flood.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Actually there is, but geological evidence is tricky, I could recommend a book that shows that there is plenty of evidence to suggest there was a major catastrophe, possibly a global flood, I gave you evidence but you chose to ignore it
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves : Actually you build your theory on sand. How did Noah and family,6.000 years ago, know that their whole world was flooded, Did they know how big the world was. Did they know the world was a sphere. Did they go to the other side of the world, to see, if it was flooded ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves As a geologist I can tell you that the evidence of floods is very clear when they happen. Your lack of knowledge on marine sediments, the changes in rivers, the damage to the shoreline life, the changes in ocean currents and global weather and so much more would be very well in evidence with a flood. No evidence. No flood.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - one flood is much like another when it comes down to it. Water levels rise and land is flooded. The stories that surround any events change each time they are told. They need to remain fresh and interesting and things start to happen faster. Much detail is lost but they still need to answer questions like how did people escape and what happened to the animals so a giant boat is invented when in reality those that survived would have walked almost certainly walked away.
croxleylad 1 year ago
No, the stories told about events do not change each time they're told, I mean some could but there are plenty that have not
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - and how do stories that were not written down for centuries not change? Which ones have not changed and what evidence to you have that they remain unchanged?
croxleylad 1 year ago
@croxleylad The use of "books" and stories written by from people with no geographic knowledge, no understanding of science at all, and no awareness of anything more than an uneducated peasant in a desert would have does not count as evidence. All science stands against this myth. There is no valid evidence for any of the Bible's accounts of a global flood.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
It doesn't matter whether you believe in this or not. Science is wrong in many ways, you should know that. And how the hell do you know how "advanced" the ancients were you bastard, they managed to build amazing structures like pyramids and some of the ancient societies were actually quite advanced in their architecture. You need to open your mind a bit and stop being so ignorant
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves Odd how insults and anger tend to be the recourse of those who run out of facts. I know the ancients did the best they could with what they had, but they were hardly at par with modern physics, astronomy, biology, geology, or even geography. Sadly, insulting me as a bastard and your other comments ends this discussion.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@SolofTarsus5 I agree with gatheringleaves,you really have not got a clue. Start reading then maybe you will actually know some facts!
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@SolofTarsus5 There is much evidence that ancient people had great knowledge of science,mathematics,astrology,astronomy and that they even mapped the entire globe thousands of years ago. You need to start reading more!
NotInMyName2012 5 days ago
@SolofTarsus5 I think your confusing me with someone else! I have never said anything in support of these bronze age myths.
croxleylad 4 days ago
wtf is this bullshit
Yoshi4162417106 1 year ago
Some civilizations were lost to this cataclysm. Atlantis and Lemuria for example. This cataclysm happend across the world flooding coastal and low lying areas of civilization creating oral and later, written history such as above and later the Bible's depiction of The Flood. The Flood is the story of man surviving the melted ice caps of the last Ice Age.
thebizkid84 1 year ago
Lemuria is a hypothetical "lost land" variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. The concept attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography, however, the idea Lemuria has been rendered obsolete by modern understanding of plate tectonics. Although sunken continents do exist — like Zealandia in the Pacific and the Kerguelen Plateau in the Indian Ocean - there is no geological formation under the Indian or Pacific Oceans that corresponds to the hypothetical Lemuria.
YnoT0207 1 year ago
@thebizkid84 Atlantis (in Greek "island of Atlas") is a legendary island first mentioned in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias.
In Plato's account, Atlantis was a naval power lying "in front of the Pillars of Hercules" that conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa 9,000 years before the time of Solon, or approximately 9600 BC. After a failed attempt to invade Athens, Atlantis sank into the ocean "in a single day and night of misfortune".
YnoT0207 1 year ago
The Flood was caused by a giant submarine volcanic explosion that stirred up the seas. The waters covered low lying lands killing all life in their way. The colossal volcanic explosion also covered the skies with cinders and evaporated water, so that, it indeed would of rained for awhile and the skies were dark and gloomy for a long time. The event occurred some 11,600 years ago, and caused the end of the Pleistocene or, more exactly, of its last glacial episode.
thebizkid84 1 year ago
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YnoT0207 1 year ago
No they don't you idiot. You're forgetting the Americas and the Pacific Islanders and Ancient India and Australia
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
ALL THREE RELIGIONS
ISLAM, PAULIANITY (eh, Christianity) and HINDUISM.
ALL have their origins in the great myths of Mesopotamia, Persia, Indus Valley (just south of Persia -- so sorry!), and Egypt.
YnoT0207 1 year ago
No they don't, you are simply confusing the similarities between the ancient religions, but they don't have their origins there
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
your a voice of wisdom in a sea of ignorance. i reccommend a book The Hiram Key. Its an excellent read and shows how these religions and traditions did indeed spawn in Sumerian times. Read it. you wont be dissapointed.
Angeshrael 1 year ago
@Angeshrael Thank you - I'll definitely look for it!!
YnoT0207 1 year ago
How about all of this being interesting stories but hardly true. There is nothing in the geological record, then fossil record, genetic distribution, or anything else to support this story or any other story of this sort. They are nice stories written by people who knew nothing of the Earth or universe we live in.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
Once again that is not true. There actually is geological and fossil evidence that the Great Flood was Global. I could show you a few sources if you want. Your ignorance is showing. You just laugh it off because you don't want to believe something in the Bible actually happened
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves My ignorance? Fluvial deposition is quite distinctly marked. This was NOT global. I wish to believe facts and evidence. I do not seek to retrofit the evidence to a story that is also not global. The facts in the geological record are not as you wish to believe. If the evidence is there, science reports it.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves : Actually. there is evidence that the flood if there was any, was not global. Do you know that only 5 out of 106 bible colleges, teach biblical creation and the flood ? But still you maintain that the flood happened and that silly IMPOSSIBLE story of the Ark.
lizazoon 1 year ago
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@gatheringleaves: This is the teaching of amillenial covenant theology which is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture as oppose to a literal one This is the dominant teaching in most theological seminaries and has been for decades. As an example, there are 106 schools in the Christian College Coalition. Of those 106 only 5 teach a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation or that the flood was global
lizazoon 1 year ago
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lizazoon 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves Where all this water came from and where did it all go afterward? There isn't enough water to flood the entire planet and cover all the mountain. How did Noah fit all the species of animals inside the ark and create a biosphere diverse enough to support all the earth environment? How about the distance between the continent? It flood for 40 days, some animals have shorter lifespan. I can't understand why people let their emotion to override their logic.
petion2010 1 year ago
I am not talking about Noah at all, I believe there was a worldwide flood and that it happened after a major catastrophe and various legends and archaeological evidence from around the world supports that.
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves Even if there was one, it would not have covered the entire planet. there's just not enough water for that. a Global flood would have only covered all the coastal region of the planet.
petion2010 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves FAIL
croxleylad 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves Sadly, Gatheringleaves, you have no idea what you are talking about. Science is open to all evidence. The Bible stories are no more true than Mayan creation myths, Chinese celestial dragon myths, Norse god myths, or Egyptian afterlife myths. Get a degree in geology or paleontology and then come back.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
How the hell do you know the Bible Stories, Mayan Creation Myths, Chinese Celestial Dragon Myths, Norse God Myths, and Egyptian Afterlife Myths aren't true. I know for a fact some of them are. All over the world there are similarities between certain legends, for instance the Mayan Five Worlds Myths is extremely similar to the Hindu concept of Yugas, and this is demonstrated in several different places in the world. I suggest you read a book called "Human Devolution" by Michael Cremo
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
I don't need a degree in geology or palentology to see that you're an idiot. You think you're so smart but you're not, I don't care what credentials or degrees you have. You cannot ignore the fact that there is a substansial amount of evidence to suggest alot of the old legends about Atlantis, Lemuria, the Ancient Floods, and other strange phenomena are true. It's simple been covered up to keep people in ignorance.
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves This is not about degrees. It is about actually knowing how to think about the evidence and judge what is likely and what is not. In your case, the desire to place myth above evidence (not conjecture) and rely on people with a mystical agenda speaks for itself.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@SolofTarsus5
how can you prove the bible isnt true? oh you cant
damississippione 1 year ago
@damississippione No... you cannot prove a negative. But I also cannot prove the Koran isn't true or the Hindu scriptures are not true or Victoria's Secret catalog isn't true. Making something a fact is NOT a matter of saying you cannot disprove it. The idea of the God of the Whole Universe picking one tiny sliver of humanity for salvation, ignoring everyone else, and then working through proxy writers is nonsense. What kind of god makes it next to impossible to know the truth? No god. There.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@SolofTarsus5
how does he make it next to impossible? your making yourself not believe in him when all the proof is there of him, what you dont believe in him cause you dont see him? well if thats so then your already doomed.
damississippione 1 year ago
@damississippione Clearly your standards for objective "proof" are different than mine. The second- and third-hand writings of unobjective people are not proof. Every religion claims miracles, all of them from whatever god they have created. There is every reason to question the writings of others, especially those without objectivity. Again, the Bible says nothing about the world not known to some peasant in a backwater town of the Roman Empire. It is just a story, but a good one.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@SolofTarsus5
why would the Bible mention something so meaningless, your finite mind is never truly gonna understand
damississippione 1 year ago
@damississippione Let's see... a book that is supposed to last and be a guide for all peoples at all times and the source of all truth...is missing big chunks of what is real and fails to mention anything more than what peasants knew in 1st Century Rome. I am never going to understand global geography or how many planets there are or what a galaxy is or how old the Earth is? This is the book that is to guide modern life and be the last word in truth, even for geology? Nope. Not buying it.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@SolofTarsus5
How you relate with the Universe kinda goes a long way towards your personal salvation and your relationship with God.
It is not your tribe,it is not your blood and it is not the rest of humanity.
Urdalibertine 1 year ago
@Urdalibertine And this is a real problem for a religion that was a perfect fit for a universe and a world at the time of the Roman Empire. Odd now to think of a god of the entire universe, so large we cannot comprehend it, being focused on the individuals of humanity and how closely we are accepting every word of the Bible as written. More odd to think that the God of the Universe would make floods to wipe out all life, some animals also being evil, and restarting humanity. Is this rational?
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@Urdalibertine It also begs the question of what personal salvation is about when you get to a universal scale. Nearly every religion on Earth over thousands of years has used fear and guilt and sin as a way to control people - and those gods were certainly not vaild. Now we have another god, just as passionately believed in as the older ones were, and more damnation and salvation to consider. Really? Where do facts and evidence win over "because I say so!" for thinking beings?
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
@SolofTarsus5
By universal scale are you talking about the entire universe or just earth?
Because the way I see if the rest of the Universe doesn't quite have the problems we do related to God.Why should he go forth into our lives if we so abundantly reject him.
Some individuals here will choose to accept God and most will go along with whatever religion or society offers.I don't have an easy answer as to what salvation means
Facts are great but they don't say it all.
Urdalibertine 1 year ago
@UrdalibertineI appreciate your honesty and clarity of thought. Sadly, what salvation means to some people is controlling others through either falsehoods or intolerance. The truth has to be supreme to human hopes if we are to have meaningful lives. If the facts and evidence does not support what humans once thought, then we need to think again. Certainly any God that exists does not favor what is false or manipulated. And the hope of salvation based on falsehoods in no salvation at all.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
dont forget the other continents
Robfoxman 1 year ago
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BEHOLDGIANTSDOTCOM 2 years ago
flood myth = atlantis?
walter0bz 2 years ago
Which doesn't mean that Abraham derived from that period, just that the Torah, dated back than. (Judges and Kings are probably older).
CanisLupusSolitarius 2 years ago
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giantshadows 2 years ago
Ehrm, Abraham probably wasn't born at the times of Hummurabi yet. The two tablets of stone, were presumably copies dating 600BC or so from Hammurabi's 2 Colums, dating more than a 1000 years before.
CanisLupusSolitarius 2 years ago
So clearly Abraham jacked the story from an older society!
fegu 2 years ago 4
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yeah God who endowed him with the world
damississippione 1 year ago
Do you acualy belive in end of the world?
Mesina2 2 years ago
I thought the poster was just putting up interesting ancient stories anyone could learn in a history class or textbook, but I'm getting the idea he actually BELIEVES all this stuff happened/going to happen. LOL
fegu 2 years ago
I bought some nice green wellingtons in Marks and Spencers today. I borrowed my mum's walking stick and went to the disco but the rather large, powerfully built, unpleasant foreign gentleman at the entrance would not let me in, he said I looked like trouble and told me to go away. Things have changed so much since we became more civilsed.
Z1Z12 2 years ago
Maybe the shiny green wellingtons and your mum's walking stick intimidated the people. That may be why you were met by that Humbaba-like man at the disco's front door.
Change is dynamic but civilization, stunted and human in nature, refuses to keep pace. Your dilemma lies in there, my friend, at least, this is what I'm inclined to think, based on the few details I have to go on.
Fear not: those sturdy new boots will serve you well as you journey further into the undefinable fury.
helvis213 2 years ago
Were those comma's or period in those sentences? there are extended rules with comma.
Are people Civilized actually?
TriumVirateABAP 2 years ago
@Z1Z12 Funny
dortyhoor 1 year ago
get.ready.for.the.NEW>GODS
MrGameways 2 years ago
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any where where their is destruction and mass murder or war that pale mans face is always there. he is the plague of this earth they will do there fathers will children of the great deceiver they did nothing but rape, kill, steal,mass murder,lie, deceive and make weapons of mass destruction their whole existence on the planet earth. they have caused so much blood shed through out the earths history that it would fill all the oceans and the sea`s.
IysisOlivianna 2 years ago
Flood was pretty common in ancient time mainly because early humans couldn't predict them successfully. The early Bronze age people had no idea how big the World was so each develop legend about the world being flooded. There never was a global flood that cover the entire Earth however.
petion2000 2 years ago 4
fntime 2 years ago
Because every society on every continent has had to deal with floods and sometime major ones. These stories are centuries and millennium apart. That doesn't mean that they are connected. For instance, a tsunami had flooded the Western United States, giving rise to Native American flood legend. That doesn't mean that this particular flood legend is related to the Biblical flood.
petion2000 2 years ago
fntime 2 years ago
There have been a lot of speculations about that. In one model, some had suggested that the flooding of the Caspian Sea to be the inspiration of the flood story. However, neither model is plausible since the flooding in both cases had taken thousand of years. The Biblical flood most likely originated from an actual flood in Mesopotamia around the Euphrates rivers. Remember that to early bronze age societies, the world was only as small as they could imagine.
petion2000 2 years ago
petion2000, also the problem with
primative people would be,collecting
paired animals. That's quite enlightened & would assume a pretty good knowledge of zoology.Also, wouldn't you
need the plants & trees.
Another 'theory', Richard Hoagland purports that Mars was inhabited, after
suffering a catasrophe, the Martians came
here. A highly developed society, might
fill their 'Ark' with animals and plants.
In Worlds Collide, didn't the survivors
take animals & plants, in 1951 movie.
fntime 2 years ago
ive pondered the same theory. but how then do we explain the uniform nature of all life on earth? Shouldnt we see two very distinct strings of life. one Earth and one Martian. I highly doubt Earth would be a "prime" landing zone if it didn't already have life abundant.
Angeshrael 1 year ago
petion2000, check out Monuments of Mars, Richard Hoagland.
The 'Flood' story is a riddle. You make
very interesting points.
Another possiblity, the surface of the earth
shifted. The surface is like a tangerine skin. There's a theory that as the polar caps get ladden with miles of ice, the weight causes the surface to move. Some feel that Anartica is the 'shifted' continent of Atlantis.
If the surface shifted,it might cause world
wide tsumami's.
Einstein agreed with the shifting idea.
fntime 2 years ago
ICE DOESN'T WEIGH ANY MORE THAN WATER...fucktard
pdderek 2 years ago
Actually water can weigh more than ice.
fntime 2 years ago 4
I guess the other guy is an idoit or a troll but at 34 degrees f ice is at it greatest mass.the only liquid that reaches greatest mass before becoming a solid,
deathmetalpat 2 years ago
I mean water at 34 degrees f.
deathmetalpat 2 years ago
You sir, know what your talking about!
fntime 2 years ago
and now you contradict yourself saying in time of Sumer there was no "rest of the world"
Then where did the Native American flood story come from?
Stop blathering and put a thought together
pdderek 2 years ago
pdderek
I'm tempted to reply to you, BUT, you
you are a little too 'myopic. There is a limit
to what can be expressed in 500 characters.
I think you start with a 'prejudice' so there
is no point to answer you question.
I have found I have neither time or inclination to 'debate' with someone
whose mind is 'closed' and lacks the
depth to be 'opened'.
fntime 2 years ago 2
the flood story was delivered over civilisation to the sub cultures that had sumer as origina, like egypt. 3100 BC when pharao Menes became the first 2king" of egypt. god Ra banaished God Thoth from egypt. Thoth took his people and loyals and went over the sea to middle america which resulted in the olmek culture, the first known civilisation in america
detefetel12 2 years ago
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mrtruthify 2 years ago
it also doesn't mean they are NOT connected.
you know no more of the past than any other. At least these people are seeking truth.
You assume no truth
pdderek 2 years ago
Yes it does you fool. Because I checked that out and there are specific details that are similar between the Native American Flood Legends and the Biblical Ones, if you do a little research you would see for yourself
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
And! There're great similarity between dragons all over the world. I guess dragons must have really existed then.
petion2000 1 year ago
Yeah they probably did (Nagas)
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
Many anthropologists believe that since ancient civilizations gave anomorphic names to many things that they did not understand, that "dragons" for example pertained to volcanoes.
thebizkid84 1 year ago
And where does fact and language find common ground. When any name can mean anything, then there is no fact. If you seek the truth, consult the research and test it. Do not rely on stories written by people who only knew what they saw and generally interpreted it wrongly.
SolofTarsus5 1 year ago
You're not giving our ancestors enough credit.
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - you mean our ancestors that survived this mythical flood rather than their parents, cousins and children who were judged, along with all other humans, as wicked and murdered along with millions of animals and plants.
Bit dramatic for a vengeful god even if he was having a bad day.
croxleylad 1 year ago
What on Earth are you talking about. Look there is plenty of reason to believe the flood happened, there is geological as well as mythological evidence, if you don't believe me I could recommend a book that explains it more clearly
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - What am I talking about? I'm asking about those 'ancestors' that are not given enough credit. Why were they better than their cousins? What about Noah's grandchildren alive before the flood (he was 600 years old) and their descendants - why were they wicked but Noah and his sons not?
Which book explains that one?
croxleylad 1 year ago
I believe we can rely on mythology and folklore because they have no reason to lie, there was most likely a global flood of some kind
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
Oh boy solofofTarsus, you're really in for it huh. Listen there is plenty of evidence the flood happened and was on a global scale, it doesn't matter whether or not the evidence is widely accepted. All of the ancient societies have myths that describe an ancient devastating flood, therefore it happened and you cannot deny it much longer. There actually IS evidence for a global flood, you're just too closeminded to seek it out. It's sad really, but I assure it happened
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
You make very good points fntime. I love how these atheists and bible debunkers claim they're so open-minded and intelligent yet they are just as close-minded as the Religious People whenever something comes along that disputes THEIR belief systems they refuse to accept it. The definition of hypocrisy
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - actually I think they refuse to waste their time with things that we no not to be true. If you have any evidence present it. You don't. There is none because all the evidence in geological layers and fossil records prove without any doubt at al that there was no flood on the scale you envisage.
I have ruled out the existence of fairies simply on the basis of evidence. There is none. Therefore unless there is new evidence I have no need to look at it.
croxleylad 1 year ago
And there are fairies as well, legends of fairies exist all over the world, from Mexico to Malaysia, my guess is they live in a seperate dimension
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - Wow good thinking.
Do you think they live in the same dimension where Atlantis went to or the place where the Jack and his giant live or the one where the seven dwarfs live?
croxleylad 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves
exactly
damississippione 1 year ago
Actually there is alot of evidence to suggest that the flood was global and that people of the Bronze Age, atleast some people were alot more advanced then originally thought. I could recommend you a few books If you want the truth
gatheringleaves 1 year ago
@gatheringleaves - just name the three most convincing pieces of evidence. You know the real winners and lets have the links to support the evidence. Just post it here and if I can refute it maybe you will look again at the other 'evidence' you think you have.
croxleylad 1 year ago
Big deal.300 years ago the Pacfic NW had a Giant tsunami off the entire coast.The Native Americans have legends about it. And who else has the same story? The Japanese who were also hit by the same tsunami hours later in Japan,they wrote about it in their history books.According to this criteria Indians told the Japanese what was coming.That's the only way they could have known.One event both places experiences it.Japan calls it an orphan tsunami.
gatekeeper96740 3 years ago
I think you need to do a bit more research on the matter and you will find evidences all around the world amongst the many tribes, which speak of a global flood destroying all mankind, save 8 persons and pairs of animals!
1way2salvation 3 years ago
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 "The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders, and every type of evil to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. Then all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned." Anu = Satan. Alien
BDenman1 3 years ago