Notice how this man raises his right elbow and along with it, his right shoulder. This gives him the chance to place the buttpad on his shoulder. Too many shooters tuck the rifle into their armpit. Also, by having a high shoulder mount, he doesn't have to lower his head to see down the sights.
This is a classic example of how the Brits are better gunmen than the Yanks. In my native USA, we take our guns for granted and see little need for formal training. What a shame.
my .58caliber (.577) would have alot more kenetic energy then this .460 at a closer range however mine is an old school black powder rifle so it would have a lower velocity and less range. so it depends on what you define as more powerful
@HONORGUARD308 I thought it'd be a .577 which is why I asked! By power I mean muzzle energy, I was curious because I shoot on MOD ranges in the UK and they limit you to 2803 ft.lbs, which puts the S&W 500 over the limit! (well, for the hotter loads), and a 30-06 too. I'm pondering over whether to get a .577/450 MH to shoot, and was checking the energy of that, not sure if I can be bothered forming/reloading for that round though, might just get one in 303...
@P1LGY i have no idea how much ft.lbs it would have. A .45ACP normaly has about 550ft.lbs, however a small up size being the .50AE is about 1400ft.lbs so maybe a .58cal black powder would have close to 2300ft.lbs. need to take into account that the 45ACP and 50AE both use a metal case and smokless powder giving the round alot more power unlike blackpowder, so im not too sure but a 500+grain projectile will have alot of energy at the muzzel.
The 460 Weatherby is one of only 4 cartridges that have been certified by the IWC for the shooting of whales. The others include the 50 BMG. Of all the cartridge certified the .460 (apart from the 50 BMG) provides the greatest penetration. The 460 can deliver the brain shot to a Whale by penetrating to the brain stem. Sure there are larger cartridge but the 460 is the superkiing when penetration is concerned (given bullets of proper construction). It is indeed a whale rifle.
@deusimperator Reading your posts have been very interesting. On your Garret cartrage comment, Garret is not the only place where I have seen that type of argument before with a slower bullet out pennetrating faster bullets of the same size on soft tissue. Is there good website that gets more in to this specific issue?
Col. A. Alpin touches on this issue in his book "Any Shot you want".w^3. grosswildjagd .de (remove spaces as utube does not like websites in comments. another good site another good site w^3. rathcoombe. ne looks st he physics as well. I talk about the subject under Criticisms in the Wik 460 Weatherby article. The US forestry service also published an internal memo regarding this issue for defense against bears that concluded the same.
The department of forestry report tested the Weathery 460 using Weatherby Ammo and found that the bullet kept disintegrating and penetrated 1" less than the .458. When the bullet disintegrates it looses sectional density and uses up energy (to provide the work necessary to disintegrate the bullet) yet its penetration of just an inch less that the 458 Win mag. Obviously if the bullet was tougher it would have penetrated better.
No one makes a bullet (non-solid type) tough enough for the 460 Wby. The reason is that since the 458;s lotts and wins are running at least 300 ft/s less and are far more popular. The bullet has to provide controlled expansion at those velocities. A bullet made for the .460 will show little expansion at the lott and win velocities and might as well be an old style FMJ in those rifles. It is not cost effective to develop a bullet for the 460 Wby mag
@deusimperator Thank you for replying so fast. Sorry if I am annoying, but I thought the tests for the Garret cartriges were of bullets that were hardcast and jacketed and not made for expansion at all and it sounds like you are talking about as though they were. OR are you saying the bullets they used in the Garret tests were made to hold, but frag or expanded on the faster velocities in the more potent cartriges, decreasing velocity. I think I missed something...
no prob at all. However hard cast a lead bullet will fragment eventually and that probability increases exponentially with regard to velocity. When Garret stated that the 45-70 penetrates more than the 458 what he left out was with hard cast bullets. A hard cast bullet on a 458 will fragment (not even control expansion) but will penetrate better at 45-70 velocities. The only reason to reduce velocities is to stay within bullet performance parameters.
Given solid bullet that resists deforming up to a velocity of 3000 ft/s a 460 will out penetrate a 458 lott which in turn will out penetrate a 458 win which in turn will out penetrate a souped by 45-70. Given a bullet that is rated for 1900 ft/s (solid which will behave a a CEB beyond the limit) the 460 would be dismal the 458 lott would be better the 458 win would de better than the lott and the 45-70 will perform the best.
Super hard casting while making lead harder also makes it more brittle which causes it to more likely fragment as opposed to strict deformation. When fragmenting the bullet looses sectional density where as when deforming sectional density does lower but since the bullet stays together a large sectional density of the bullet is preserved (this is the idea behind a Control Expansion Bullet (CEB).
Take a control expansion bullet which expands upon impacting a medium. The bullet keeps expanding while in the medium at a rate dependent on the medium and the penetration index. However the sectional density of the bullet progressively decreases as "mushrooming" (increases the diameter) occurs, which in turn slows down penetration. The more a bullet expands (all things being equal) the less it penetrates.
A fragmenting bullet unlike a CEB looses penetrates very little due to the sudden loss of sectional density and so looses all its energy very quickly. Higher the sectional density the more likely a bullet is to preserve its energy to perform work (such as penetration, deforming the bullet etc). However hard cast bullets are expanding bullet given the correct velocity window.
Fragmeting can be very potent depending on the circumstances. a bullet made for the 40 S&W bullet may fragment when fired in a 10mm Auto. But due to the "shotgun effect" of fragmentation there is little penetration but the effects is a quick stop on the perp. Humans are not heavy bodied so penetration of 18 in is not necessary and frags are better. That is the idea behind quickShok, Glaser Magtech etc whic hted to provide better on shot stops.
@deusimperator WOWWY! I only saw your last message the last time and I didn't see any else. Youtube can be confusing. Thank you for all the information, you have been very generouse. There are a lot of pretend scientists on theinternet, but you really do seem to be one. Thanks again, no need to reply :)
@imawesome72998 is it well I'll be. An 8 gauge is a shotgun calibre is that correct. ? Would love to see someone shoulder and fire an 8 gauge, then when they heal and leave hospital, we can give them a 4 gauge punt gun to try as well and properly finish them off. Its actualy a safari gun, but it is capable of taking down an elephant. There now, is that better ?
@Counterins an 8 gauge is a shotgun caliber however I have shot an 8 bore. It's the same gun but it's rifled. An 8 bore is a hard gun to control but the mans statement is true. while .460 is great for cate buffalo and lion and elephant the 8 bore is used a lot more in some areas if you're just hunting elephant because the skull is like a honeycomb so .46 caliber is not a great choice for a charging elephant. Now a punt gun is entirely different all together than a shotgun or 8 bore rifle
@Counterins Some people speak without knowing what they say. Nice rifle, who the maker? I've got a 470 nitro in the shop right now with a cracked stock. I've got the new stock cut out and most of the shaping finished. Maybe the customer will let me take it out back and fire it when I'm finished. Damn thing looks like a shotgun instead of a rifle. Thanks for posting, enjoyed it.
@ulkord When you are firing from a standing position, I was taught to have my leading leg slightly bent and my back leg straight, this puts you in a position of leaning forwards with the stock or butt of the rifle in the shoulder on the same side as your back leg. The idea is that the recoil travels into your shoulder and down the straight leg giving you a more stable platform to shoot from. Holding it anyother way would not allow you to control the recoil sufficiently,
@Counterins who ever taught you knew his shit ive seen "experts" that didnt shoot from the same position (i almost always shoot from ground with a bipod but i take the same stance as you and anyother person who has actuly gotten used to shooting large caliber firearms lol
@Counterins dont listen to him lmao an 8gauge is a shot gun there was never a shot gun intended for takeing down elephants thick skinned animals are better taken by high powerd rifles
@imawesome72998 elephant gun is another name for express rifle, it dont matter what cal it is tecnicly it matters on the fetures of the gun, 2 barrels that fire a large rifle round or there are sometimes large single barrels such as 4bore and 8bore (8gauge), yes this gun is not an elephant gun(express rifle) as it has not got 2 barrels (large rifle) or a single large barrel of 8gauge or larger.
P.S i own a doudle barrel, black powder, muzzel loading .58 caliber elephant gun.
@imawesome72998 actually any gun that is capable of humanely killing an elephant is an elephant gun and im guessing that a .460 wby is much more powerful than an 8 gauge anyways.
@imawesome72998 It was when I was eight. I tried it again recently, and I found the recoil to be much better. Only about an inch and a half up with each shot. Same firearm, bigger ammo.
@teamtittydeep you use a whale gun to get sum bitch ? Thats not the best way to go about getting laid. If you were trying to be funny I think you just failed yourself because you sound stupid. Although a whale gun is a ship mounted harpoon sometimes using explosive heads, they make too much of a mess.
The 460 Weatherby IS considered a whale cartridge and certified as such by the International Whaling Commission. The IWC published report titled "Overview of euthanasia of large whales" which documents the success of the 460 in this regard. Obviously too stupid to know any better. PS that goes for the 59 (more to follow) fellow travelling idiots who gave you the thumbs up....
@teamtittydeep The .460 Weatherby is one of the very few rifle cartridges approved by the International Whaling Commission for the harvesting of whales.
@teamtittydeep technically, this is a whale gun.. its one of 4 calibers authorized by the International Whaling Commission to "kill" whales.. 458 win mag, 460 weatherby, 50 BMG, and 577 tyrannosaur..
@zooders Before commenting about horseshit, you should check the facts out -- first -- before offering up an opinion. I am not the IWC nor do I know why they chose those four calibres.. So, take your arguing up with the IWC -- not me..
@zooders Get your own facts yourself. I'm not going to teach you how to google. However, judging your your first comment, you already "know everything" about hunting whales and dangerous game rifles & cartridges, so I dont know why you would need "facts" in the first place.. Anyone else would get their facts first, before flapping their mouth, but your too 'smart' for that.
@hwoods01 well i dont need google for my facts since im a gunsmith i spend all day every day around firearms and cartridges....so google really isnt needed, and the fact that you cant come up with a source on your fact just makes you look like an ass or a liar...either way works
@zooders Gunsmith my ass.. First, you cant tell the difference between a proprietary cartridge and a wildcat, and second, you're showing your ignorance with the claim that the 460 would get "OK penetration" with a 500 gr bullet at 2500 fps, versus the "too slow" 750gr bullet at 2450 fps from the 577... You're the one out to lunch. Facts suck dont they? and speaking of facts.. Try reading from the International Whaling Commissions website. iwcoffice . o r g
@hwoods01 yeah none of those are all that fast, wether you think they are or not...i deal with stuff moving well over 3500 fps....so 2500 not impressive at all, and when you have a big bullet moving quite fast your penetration will be less than a smaller bullet moving at the same rate...understand....
@zooders Your first comment was a knee-jerk reaction to something you could have easily checked on the internet BEFORE commenting... and every comment you've made since only reveals your total lack of thinking ability.
@zooders lol 2500 FPS not impressive? I bet you would be impressed with the power of a .308 if it hit YOU at 2500 FPS lol. 3500 fps? you mean like a 22-250 at 300 yards? lol yes thats SOOO impressive compared to a .458 or a .577. lol :)
@OKPatriot92 its not, im accustomed to shooting stuff thats moving well beyond 3000fps and will carry more energy than a 458 and maybe a little more than a 577 depending on range, so no, not that impressive
The 460 does out penetrate the .577 TRex and also the .460 Overkill for two reasons: sectional density of the projectile and velocity (which is squared). The physics in this regard takes energy over an area and provides pressure of penetration ratio. The problem is that most bullet do not perform will with the 460 due to the amount of stress put on it by the 460. However given the toughest bullets available the 460 will out penetrate the 577 easily.
@hwoods01 and why? first the fifty is the only one that would penetrate very far. second the 577 is practically a wildcat cartridge and it moves far too slow to penetrate very far into an animal that large. the 458 also moves far to slow, and the 460 weatherby would get okay penetration, but i think its cheaper to harpoon them 3 times then shoot them over a hundred with something that costs 110 bucks a box...so yeah, youre out to lunch kid.
Right about the 460 penetration. The physics collaborates with your opinion. However, the 460 does fire bullets fast and puts too much stress on bullets causing even some tough FMJs to deform INCLUDING the super premium Woodleighs. However given the toughest (Speer African Grand Slam Tungsten, Hornady Steel DGS) in both the 577 and the 460 The 460 will outclass the 577 by quite a margin. Norma moved to the DGS as even the new Interbond FMJs we deforming with the 460.
@deusimperator very true, i have been shooting custom tungsten loads for quite a bit, even before the advent of the speer bullet, and the 460 will penetrate, i dont deny that at all, but, like i said to other people on this comment board, i am used to shooting things that will out penetrate a 460 any day at any given range. messege me back and ill go into further detail
I have been shooting big bore for a few years. The 577 TRex will NOT out penetrate the .460. Yes the HDY IB-FMJ which dispite HDY claims were only rated for 2200 fps Max would not penetrate when encountering bone but did penetrate better at 458 Win velocities. The bullet did not withstand the additional stress put on it by the WBY. If the bullet is overstressed it will not perform and will deform penetrating even less that say the .45-70. Both Taffin and Garret attest to this.
However, I am both a mathematician and a physicist (among other things) and require both scientific reasoning and observational evidence. If evidence does not support the on paper results then why? The prior post explains why. The science part is simply the following penetration pressure over an area. So ((mass x velocity^2)*(mass/bullet cross-sectional area))/(bullet cross-sectional area)= penetrative index, which will need to correlated linearly to penetration in medium.
However Garret is mistaken with his hot baloney when it comes to penetration. He is not a scientist but a hawker of HIS product (Hammerheads -Very hard cast solid lead slug for the 45-70). He attempts to infer that the 45-70 penetrates better than the .458 Win Mag and that is a falsehood by any stretch of the imagination. If his hammer heads were used in the 458 Win Mag or worse WBY penetration would suffer. He states his lead bullets are the cats meow. I'll call that BS.
@deusimperator i shot both tungsten solids in my 460 steyr and my 50 that i usually shoot custom 35 cal sabots. i am no mathematician or even claim to be, but i know that when im shooting a 285 averge grain solid made from tungsten with a ferralium jacket, i usually get around 6150 fps. not sure how much penetration i get, but i will go through 1" mild carbon steel at 1000 yards, no problems
And that proves what? So it goes through 1" of mild steel. But Let me put it this way and I will call you on the rest... Bullshitter. There is no way you are going to get the velocity you claim. If you did you should have submitted your findings and got yourself in the Guinness Book. The Is a world record.... But impossible - scientifically speaking. So I call Bull Shit all the way home. And here is why... to be continued...
The expansion of has provides the work necessary to propel the bullet out. The gas has an expansion velocity which the bullet cannot exceed - a given as that is what is pushing the bullet. Given the scenario you provided at about 9000 bars of pressure (2x over pressure) I can only calculate only up to 4600 fps. However, this is misleading as we know the gas is doing other things expending work, heat, making the barrel bulge, seeping on the sides of the sabot etc... continued...
Take the .22 earsplitingbigboomer which had a volume to bullet weight of about .290 and a over bore ration of 2730 and provided about 4600-4800 fps. Your scenario: you have a .95 V/b and a overbore ratio of 1153. So in reality you should be looking at about say about 3200-3500 fps MAX in reality. Remember the 4600 fps was based on an OVERPRESSURE of _9000_ bars (slow powder). IF you used a 30 cal sabot in of a 358 sabot I can see you getting perhaps 4000 fps may be... SO BULLSHITTER...
@deusimperator so me and my buddy shot it today and you know what, you were fairly close, i got a velocity on average of 4893 from 12 shots. sorry about the mess up on my part
While the 460 Steyr will penetrate more than the 460 Weatherby due to heavier bullets and higher velocities it is an AMR like the 50 BMG. The .416 Barret and .408 Cheytec may also provide better penetration but all these are specialized cartridge not "commercial sporting/hunting cartridge" - an important distinction. The .460 is a commercial sporting cartridge. Many of the big bore cartridge articles are by me on Wikipedia including the engineering drawings.
Meteor launches a 400 gr (SD=.330) bullet at 2800 ft/s while the 460 Weatherby launches a 500 gr (SD=.341) bullet at 2600 ft/s. If bullet is made equal by ratio with regard to construction the Lazaronni will penetrate better. ratio of 65 to 62. So if the 460 penetrates 62 in in a medium expect the 10.57 to get 65 in the same medium
However, the 10.57 is not a commercial sporting cartridge it is a proprietary cartridge. The Weatherby is and has been standardized by both SAAMI and CIP.
However, keep in mind that the 10.57 Meteor has a case capacity of about 130 cm3 while the .416 Weatherby has a capacity of 140 cm3. The Lazzeroni would have to be stoked up to a higher pressure. If something is doable in the Meteor it is more easily doable in the .416 Weatherby because of the larger case capacity all things being equal.
hahaha as if! With recoil like that? And reload times? I dont think so. And think logistically, why would the army produce ammo especially for this when they could just produce millions of the same bullets and use it in all their guns?
@Pinesol23 NO! Why would I want these people to stop arguing, every argument is the reason this clip has hit the view level it has It certainly can't be the actual video content. L:ets face it I'm not a good looking, Neither is Paul. My mates voice is too loud, Hi Marc :) Keep arguing folks I love ya all even if i do take the time to take the mickey outta ya :D
@TheGunguy1 yeah I know. I'm sorry I really really tried to drop the gun to make it funny, but there is something in my eyes a ltitle wrong with deliberately dropping an expensive item on the floor just to laugh at it. :D I did make the floor plate fall off though so hey try and be happy with that please ? :)
I'm sorry my good fellow but one can only assume your distinct distaste for the british accent must be based purely on the simple and irrefutable fact that by comparison you must seem to be as indeed you most likely are; to wit, retarded
its mostly the people shooting the rifle not the rifle its self it depends on how you hold it how tight you hold it and what kinda control you have and your stance and he did everything the right way
Well kinda of easy thing to do for weatherby to bring out something better compare to something else that by developed decade before it. It's like saying the .460 bow down to the 416barret or 408 cheytac.
One other factor you might want to consider is the hydraulic shock delivered by a very high velocity bullet. Flesh cannot be compressed and the resulting shock must be enormous. There is usually one very small entrance wound and no exit wound. The skull is broken into several pieces inside the skin of the animal. I feel that this combination would be effective with a conventional heart shot as well due to the hydraulic effect. I never shoot at a running animal.
My Model 70 (pre '64) has a one in 14 rate of twist and at 4,000 fps the rotational speed of the bullet is staggering. The bullet seems to come apart completely INSIDE the target thereby transferring ALL of its energy inside the animal. When a bullet punches all the way through the target some of its energy is wasted. I load 40.2 grains of IMR 4320 behind a 52 grain Speer hollow point bullet to achieve the velocity mentioned.
A big entrance wound isn't necessarily required for a quick kill. I've shot deer before with a 220 swift and they went down instantly. I usually still hunted and made only head shots at anywhere from 100 yards out to around 350. Beyond 350 yards the small (52 grain) bullet loses velocity pretty fast and the trajectory suffers. One thing to consider in the "killing effectiveness quotient" is the rotational speed of the small bullet..
XxriflexpertxX, You name apparently is a lie. You have no idea what your talking about. Hell if you even took the time to red the tittle of the video you would know what type of round was being fire, As for calling someone you don't even know a faggot well that just shows how immature you are. If anyone needs to get of there ass it should be you. Pathetic little you tube troll.
@Callabris no the name is no lie. i wasnt saying the round was 50 cal. i was pointing someone out for sayin it was 50 cal. im on your side buddy, get the facts straight.
Cont... You can put like 3000 foot pounds of energy into a deer, and it overloads it and drops it on a dime even with a heart or lung type of shot, doesn't have to be brain/spine. On elephant, buffaloe, ect. they are simply too big for any human to handle a gun where extra velocity (energy) is going to kill it faster. You simply have to make a big hole in it for more effective killing, but the penetration has to be adequate. (and the 600 Overkill has more than is needed.)
Didn't that thing have a muzzle brake on it? (looked like one.) That reduces the recoil quite a bit. And yes kiddies, 460 WM counts as an "elephant gun", considering far lesser rounds are also considered that.
And for the idiot posting "50 cal". I do hope you mean 500 nitro, 500 A-Square ect. As they are SHOULDER FIRED weapons, not like the 50 BMG which is far too big and heavy to actually carry and shoot from your shoulder. (if you think it is lay off the video games and get real.)
Loved it.
Notice how this man raises his right elbow and along with it, his right shoulder. This gives him the chance to place the buttpad on his shoulder. Too many shooters tuck the rifle into their armpit. Also, by having a high shoulder mount, he doesn't have to lower his head to see down the sights.
This is a classic example of how the Brits are better gunmen than the Yanks. In my native USA, we take our guns for granted and see little need for formal training. What a shame.
pagamenews 3 months ago
Good Job man!
chichopluma 4 months ago
Im going to sound like I learned everything from cod, but, how big is the cartridge for that? Like in size and recoil? Compared to a 7mm and a 50 cal
pangolin97 4 months ago
why is the top comment a chick that want to chat?
ReaverTheSurvivalist 6 months ago
this is the reason there are no elephants left in Lancashire.
MrZazzles94 6 months ago
shoot justin biber please
zimek10 7 months ago
he shot at @10:00 haha
MW2ONXBOX360 7 months ago
my gun is bigger, .58caliber
HONORGUARD308 7 months ago
@HONORGUARD308 But is it more powerful?
P1LGY 7 months ago
@P1LGY define powerful?
my .58caliber (.577) would have alot more kenetic energy then this .460 at a closer range however mine is an old school black powder rifle so it would have a lower velocity and less range. so it depends on what you define as more powerful
HONORGUARD308 7 months ago
@HONORGUARD308 I thought it'd be a .577 which is why I asked! By power I mean muzzle energy, I was curious because I shoot on MOD ranges in the UK and they limit you to 2803 ft.lbs, which puts the S&W 500 over the limit! (well, for the hotter loads), and a 30-06 too. I'm pondering over whether to get a .577/450 MH to shoot, and was checking the energy of that, not sure if I can be bothered forming/reloading for that round though, might just get one in 303...
P1LGY 7 months ago
@P1LGY i have no idea how much ft.lbs it would have. A .45ACP normaly has about 550ft.lbs, however a small up size being the .50AE is about 1400ft.lbs so maybe a .58cal black powder would have close to 2300ft.lbs. need to take into account that the 45ACP and 50AE both use a metal case and smokless powder giving the round alot more power unlike blackpowder, so im not too sure but a 500+grain projectile will have alot of energy at the muzzel.
HONORGUARD308 7 months ago
press 6
KissAndAerosmith 7 months ago
ur a sissy it aint that bad
james77290 8 months ago
@james77290 Why don't you show us some videos of you shooting this same rifle then? You don't seem to have any on your channel.
AmericaStandsStrong1 7 months ago
The 460 Weatherby is one of only 4 cartridges that have been certified by the IWC for the shooting of whales. The others include the 50 BMG. Of all the cartridge certified the .460 (apart from the 50 BMG) provides the greatest penetration. The 460 can deliver the brain shot to a Whale by penetrating to the brain stem. Sure there are larger cartridge but the 460 is the superkiing when penetration is concerned (given bullets of proper construction). It is indeed a whale rifle.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator Reading your posts have been very interesting. On your Garret cartrage comment, Garret is not the only place where I have seen that type of argument before with a slower bullet out pennetrating faster bullets of the same size on soft tissue. Is there good website that gets more in to this specific issue?
mojothemigo 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
Col. A. Alpin touches on this issue in his book "Any Shot you want".w^3. grosswildjagd .de (remove spaces as utube does not like websites in comments. another good site another good site w^3. rathcoombe. ne looks st he physics as well. I talk about the subject under Criticisms in the Wik 460 Weatherby article. The US forestry service also published an internal memo regarding this issue for defense against bears that concluded the same.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
The department of forestry report tested the Weathery 460 using Weatherby Ammo and found that the bullet kept disintegrating and penetrated 1" less than the .458. When the bullet disintegrates it looses sectional density and uses up energy (to provide the work necessary to disintegrate the bullet) yet its penetration of just an inch less that the 458 Win mag. Obviously if the bullet was tougher it would have penetrated better.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
No one makes a bullet (non-solid type) tough enough for the 460 Wby. The reason is that since the 458;s lotts and wins are running at least 300 ft/s less and are far more popular. The bullet has to provide controlled expansion at those velocities. A bullet made for the .460 will show little expansion at the lott and win velocities and might as well be an old style FMJ in those rifles. It is not cost effective to develop a bullet for the 460 Wby mag
deusimperator 7 months ago
@deusimperator Thank you for replying so fast. Sorry if I am annoying, but I thought the tests for the Garret cartriges were of bullets that were hardcast and jacketed and not made for expansion at all and it sounds like you are talking about as though they were. OR are you saying the bullets they used in the Garret tests were made to hold, but frag or expanded on the faster velocities in the more potent cartriges, decreasing velocity. I think I missed something...
mojothemigo 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
no prob at all. However hard cast a lead bullet will fragment eventually and that probability increases exponentially with regard to velocity. When Garret stated that the 45-70 penetrates more than the 458 what he left out was with hard cast bullets. A hard cast bullet on a 458 will fragment (not even control expansion) but will penetrate better at 45-70 velocities. The only reason to reduce velocities is to stay within bullet performance parameters.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
Given solid bullet that resists deforming up to a velocity of 3000 ft/s a 460 will out penetrate a 458 lott which in turn will out penetrate a 458 win which in turn will out penetrate a souped by 45-70. Given a bullet that is rated for 1900 ft/s (solid which will behave a a CEB beyond the limit) the 460 would be dismal the 458 lott would be better the 458 win would de better than the lott and the 45-70 will perform the best.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
Super hard casting while making lead harder also makes it more brittle which causes it to more likely fragment as opposed to strict deformation. When fragmenting the bullet looses sectional density where as when deforming sectional density does lower but since the bullet stays together a large sectional density of the bullet is preserved (this is the idea behind a Control Expansion Bullet (CEB).
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
Take a control expansion bullet which expands upon impacting a medium. The bullet keeps expanding while in the medium at a rate dependent on the medium and the penetration index. However the sectional density of the bullet progressively decreases as "mushrooming" (increases the diameter) occurs, which in turn slows down penetration. The more a bullet expands (all things being equal) the less it penetrates.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
A fragmenting bullet unlike a CEB looses penetrates very little due to the sudden loss of sectional density and so looses all its energy very quickly. Higher the sectional density the more likely a bullet is to preserve its energy to perform work (such as penetration, deforming the bullet etc). However hard cast bullets are expanding bullet given the correct velocity window.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@mojothemigo
Fragmeting can be very potent depending on the circumstances. a bullet made for the 40 S&W bullet may fragment when fired in a 10mm Auto. But due to the "shotgun effect" of fragmentation there is little penetration but the effects is a quick stop on the perp. Humans are not heavy bodied so penetration of 18 in is not necessary and frags are better. That is the idea behind quickShok, Glaser Magtech etc whic hted to provide better on shot stops.
deusimperator 7 months ago
@deusimperator WOWWY! I only saw your last message the last time and I didn't see any else. Youtube can be confusing. Thank you for all the information, you have been very generouse. There are a lot of pretend scientists on theinternet, but you really do seem to be one. Thanks again, no need to reply :)
mojothemigo 7 months ago
omg im buying this one soon
xExtendedMagzz 9 months ago
And what does the elephants get to defend themself?
funnystarchild 9 months ago
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coolboy31000 10 months ago
he looked like he had a boner after.
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BabexaThersaaj410 10 months ago 2
@BabexaThersaaj410 not particularly.
johnnied1991 9 months ago
I like turtles
edwardpoppy 10 months ago
He held it pretty well for a .460 Weatherby, did he hit where he wanted to hit?
R5H4D0W 11 months ago 2
@R5H4D0W Sorry but no, I missed the target by about one foot @100 yards
Counterins 11 months ago
@Counterins xD good ol iron sights for ya
hellwolf882 5 months ago
who needs that man now you can rent guns at the big game hunting trip with a beret m87 50 cal Xd
vietanmay911 11 months ago
i hate guns...
darrylhaynes 1 year ago
they found Chuck Norris's bb gun
ST2790 1 year ago
lol at :11 i thought he shot it i was like ...ummm.....
llMAINLUNATICll 1 year ago
guys ...., many stories , i use it extensively on capebufaalo and other big african animals , it work very well .
everybody talking about is esagerating to much the balistic performance , it is more stronger , but it is not a cannon
spugna460 1 year ago
a 8 gauge is a elephant gun thats right but why isn't somebody shooting the .375 elp gun??
TheSoloGuy1 1 year ago
8 gauge fails no kick lmfAO I OWN 1.
arcakana 1 year ago
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You kill elephants! I dislike like you.
hT0owleyBo0gerH 1 year ago
You kill elephants! I don't like you.
hT0owleyBo0gerH 1 year ago
I sometimes use my bare fists.
But I usually use my bear fists.
Shikamaru524 1 year ago
@Shikamaru524 i just use my bare... bear
FlameOfGodith 1 year ago
i would use a 7 mm to kill an elephant
jerry3788 1 year ago
@jerry3788 im thinking you would probably just wound an elephant with a 7mm.. but hey i dont hunt elephant so im not exactly a credible source.
j3rime 1 year ago
ill take that rifle deer hunting.. no need to gut
rockenreapers 1 year ago
nice trry elephant gun is an 8 gauge
imawesome72998 1 year ago
@imawesome72998 is it well I'll be. An 8 gauge is a shotgun calibre is that correct. ? Would love to see someone shoulder and fire an 8 gauge, then when they heal and leave hospital, we can give them a 4 gauge punt gun to try as well and properly finish them off. Its actualy a safari gun, but it is capable of taking down an elephant. There now, is that better ?
Counterins 1 year ago 30
@Counterins an 8 gauge is a shotgun caliber however I have shot an 8 bore. It's the same gun but it's rifled. An 8 bore is a hard gun to control but the mans statement is true. while .460 is great for cate buffalo and lion and elephant the 8 bore is used a lot more in some areas if you're just hunting elephant because the skull is like a honeycomb so .46 caliber is not a great choice for a charging elephant. Now a punt gun is entirely different all together than a shotgun or 8 bore rifle
bad74maverick 1 year ago
@Counterins Some people speak without knowing what they say. Nice rifle, who the maker? I've got a 470 nitro in the shop right now with a cracked stock. I've got the new stock cut out and most of the shaping finished. Maybe the customer will let me take it out back and fire it when I'm finished. Damn thing looks like a shotgun instead of a rifle. Thanks for posting, enjoyed it.
LAGunBroker 10 months ago
@Counterins so when you hold it like a shot gun you wont get hurt?
because i saw a shotgun video where it was 12 gauge
ulkord 6 months ago
@ulkord When you are firing from a standing position, I was taught to have my leading leg slightly bent and my back leg straight, this puts you in a position of leaning forwards with the stock or butt of the rifle in the shoulder on the same side as your back leg. The idea is that the recoil travels into your shoulder and down the straight leg giving you a more stable platform to shoot from. Holding it anyother way would not allow you to control the recoil sufficiently,
Counterins 6 months ago
@Counterins thank you for this answer
ulkord 6 months ago
@Counterins who ever taught you knew his shit ive seen "experts" that didnt shoot from the same position (i almost always shoot from ground with a bipod but i take the same stance as you and anyother person who has actuly gotten used to shooting large caliber firearms lol
hellwolf882 5 months ago
@Counterins dont listen to him lmao an 8gauge is a shot gun there was never a shot gun intended for takeing down elephants thick skinned animals are better taken by high powerd rifles
hellwolf882 5 months ago
@imawesome72998 theres numerous elephant guns, one of the originals is the 460.....8 gauge is an elephant gun to but in a shotgun...
gshdrums 1 year ago
@imawesome72998 elephant gun is another name for express rifle, it dont matter what cal it is tecnicly it matters on the fetures of the gun, 2 barrels that fire a large rifle round or there are sometimes large single barrels such as 4bore and 8bore (8gauge), yes this gun is not an elephant gun(express rifle) as it has not got 2 barrels (large rifle) or a single large barrel of 8gauge or larger.
P.S i own a doudle barrel, black powder, muzzel loading .58 caliber elephant gun.
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
@imawesome72998 you are the biggest dickhead ever research before u make stuiped ass comments like that. dick
ragescapethefate 7 months ago
@imawesome72998 actually any gun that is capable of humanely killing an elephant is an elephant gun and im guessing that a .460 wby is much more powerful than an 8 gauge anyways.
xKingNicKx2455 6 months ago
i have a unicorn gun :D its made of rainbows and the rounds are made of chuck norris
1993gandy 1 year ago 10
@1993gandy God I hope your not using ball ammunition!
CptSmokeAlot 6 months ago
nice to have a .22 go right before. at first I thought you just had that title and was gonna shoot a damn .22
bubbawilcox 1 year ago
not bad... do u have an extra pair of underwear?
namebrandaddikt 1 year ago
Yeah, even a .45 pistol kicks that hard. Didn't fly outta my hand, just went back a good foot. Fortunately, not into my face.
KlimaticEgo 1 year ago
@KlimaticEgo you my friend, cannot handle weoponery
imawesome72998 1 year ago
@imawesome72998 It was when I was eight. I tried it again recently, and I found the recoil to be much better. Only about an inch and a half up with each shot. Same firearm, bigger ammo.
KlimaticEgo 1 year ago
oo im so scared i got a whale gun get sum bitch
teamtittydeep 1 year ago
@teamtittydeep you use a whale gun to get sum bitch ? Thats not the best way to go about getting laid. If you were trying to be funny I think you just failed yourself because you sound stupid. Although a whale gun is a ship mounted harpoon sometimes using explosive heads, they make too much of a mess.
Counterins 1 year ago 66
@Counterins LOL@catching whales. Nice reversal on the jack ass.
ShaneMSnyder 1 year ago
@Counterins Hahaha, the first line of this made me laugh quite a bit. "you use a whale gun to get sum bitch"
RollLikeAbox 1 year ago
@Counterins
The 460 Weatherby IS considered a whale cartridge and certified as such by the International Whaling Commission. The IWC published report titled "Overview of euthanasia of large whales" which documents the success of the 460 in this regard. Obviously too stupid to know any better. PS that goes for the 59 (more to follow) fellow travelling idiots who gave you the thumbs up....
deusimperator 8 months ago
@teamtittydeep wow thats lame the only way you could even harm a uman is if their less than three inches from da waterline
Zeuslovespie 1 year ago
@Zeuslovespie do any of u fuckers on youtube take a joke like haha i got a whale gun ooo like i got a bigger gun dumbass
teamtittydeep 1 year ago
@teamtittydeep The .460 Weatherby is one of the very few rifle cartridges approved by the International Whaling Commission for the harvesting of whales.
CE750 1 year ago
@teamtittydeep technically, this is a whale gun.. its one of 4 calibers authorized by the International Whaling Commission to "kill" whales.. 458 win mag, 460 weatherby, 50 BMG, and 577 tyrannosaur..
hwoods01 1 year ago
@hwoods01 yeah...no...thats the biggest bunch of horseshit ive ever heard.
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders Before commenting about horseshit, you should check the facts out -- first -- before offering up an opinion. I am not the IWC nor do I know why they chose those four calibres.. So, take your arguing up with the IWC -- not me..
hwoods01 11 months ago
@hwoods01 then send me a link to the "facts"
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders Get your own facts yourself. I'm not going to teach you how to google. However, judging your your first comment, you already "know everything" about hunting whales and dangerous game rifles & cartridges, so I dont know why you would need "facts" in the first place.. Anyone else would get their facts first, before flapping their mouth, but your too 'smart' for that.
hwoods01 11 months ago
@hwoods01 well i dont need google for my facts since im a gunsmith i spend all day every day around firearms and cartridges....so google really isnt needed, and the fact that you cant come up with a source on your fact just makes you look like an ass or a liar...either way works
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders Gunsmith my ass.. First, you cant tell the difference between a proprietary cartridge and a wildcat, and second, you're showing your ignorance with the claim that the 460 would get "OK penetration" with a 500 gr bullet at 2500 fps, versus the "too slow" 750gr bullet at 2450 fps from the 577... You're the one out to lunch. Facts suck dont they? and speaking of facts.. Try reading from the International Whaling Commissions website. iwcoffice . o r g
hwoods01 11 months ago
@hwoods01 yeah none of those are all that fast, wether you think they are or not...i deal with stuff moving well over 3500 fps....so 2500 not impressive at all, and when you have a big bullet moving quite fast your penetration will be less than a smaller bullet moving at the same rate...understand....
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders Your first comment was a knee-jerk reaction to something you could have easily checked on the internet BEFORE commenting... and every comment you've made since only reveals your total lack of thinking ability.
hwoods01 11 months ago
@zooders lol 2500 FPS not impressive? I bet you would be impressed with the power of a .308 if it hit YOU at 2500 FPS lol. 3500 fps? you mean like a 22-250 at 300 yards? lol yes thats SOOO impressive compared to a .458 or a .577. lol :)
OKPatriot92 10 months ago
@OKPatriot92 its not, im accustomed to shooting stuff thats moving well beyond 3000fps and will carry more energy than a 458 and maybe a little more than a 577 depending on range, so no, not that impressive
zooders 10 months ago
@hwoods01
The 460 does out penetrate the .577 TRex and also the .460 Overkill for two reasons: sectional density of the projectile and velocity (which is squared). The physics in this regard takes energy over an area and provides pressure of penetration ratio. The problem is that most bullet do not perform will with the 460 due to the amount of stress put on it by the 460. However given the toughest bullets available the 460 will out penetrate the 577 easily.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@hwoods01 and why? first the fifty is the only one that would penetrate very far. second the 577 is practically a wildcat cartridge and it moves far too slow to penetrate very far into an animal that large. the 458 also moves far to slow, and the 460 weatherby would get okay penetration, but i think its cheaper to harpoon them 3 times then shoot them over a hundred with something that costs 110 bucks a box...so yeah, youre out to lunch kid.
zooders 11 months ago
@zooders
Right about the 460 penetration. The physics collaborates with your opinion. However, the 460 does fire bullets fast and puts too much stress on bullets causing even some tough FMJs to deform INCLUDING the super premium Woodleighs. However given the toughest (Speer African Grand Slam Tungsten, Hornady Steel DGS) in both the 577 and the 460 The 460 will outclass the 577 by quite a margin. Norma moved to the DGS as even the new Interbond FMJs we deforming with the 460.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator very true, i have been shooting custom tungsten loads for quite a bit, even before the advent of the speer bullet, and the 460 will penetrate, i dont deny that at all, but, like i said to other people on this comment board, i am used to shooting things that will out penetrate a 460 any day at any given range. messege me back and ill go into further detail
zooders 8 months ago
@zooders
I have been shooting big bore for a few years. The 577 TRex will NOT out penetrate the .460. Yes the HDY IB-FMJ which dispite HDY claims were only rated for 2200 fps Max would not penetrate when encountering bone but did penetrate better at 458 Win velocities. The bullet did not withstand the additional stress put on it by the WBY. If the bullet is overstressed it will not perform and will deform penetrating even less that say the .45-70. Both Taffin and Garret attest to this.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@zooders
However, I am both a mathematician and a physicist (among other things) and require both scientific reasoning and observational evidence. If evidence does not support the on paper results then why? The prior post explains why. The science part is simply the following penetration pressure over an area. So ((mass x velocity^2)*(mass/bullet cross-sectional area))/(bullet cross-sectional area)= penetrative index, which will need to correlated linearly to penetration in medium.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator
However Garret is mistaken with his hot baloney when it comes to penetration. He is not a scientist but a hawker of HIS product (Hammerheads -Very hard cast solid lead slug for the 45-70). He attempts to infer that the 45-70 penetrates better than the .458 Win Mag and that is a falsehood by any stretch of the imagination. If his hammer heads were used in the 458 Win Mag or worse WBY penetration would suffer. He states his lead bullets are the cats meow. I'll call that BS.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator i shot both tungsten solids in my 460 steyr and my 50 that i usually shoot custom 35 cal sabots. i am no mathematician or even claim to be, but i know that when im shooting a 285 averge grain solid made from tungsten with a ferralium jacket, i usually get around 6150 fps. not sure how much penetration i get, but i will go through 1" mild carbon steel at 1000 yards, no problems
zooders 8 months ago
@zooders
And that proves what? So it goes through 1" of mild steel. But Let me put it this way and I will call you on the rest... Bullshitter. There is no way you are going to get the velocity you claim. If you did you should have submitted your findings and got yourself in the Guinness Book. The Is a world record.... But impossible - scientifically speaking. So I call Bull Shit all the way home. And here is why... to be continued...
deusimperator 8 months ago
@zooders
The expansion of has provides the work necessary to propel the bullet out. The gas has an expansion velocity which the bullet cannot exceed - a given as that is what is pushing the bullet. Given the scenario you provided at about 9000 bars of pressure (2x over pressure) I can only calculate only up to 4600 fps. However, this is misleading as we know the gas is doing other things expending work, heat, making the barrel bulge, seeping on the sides of the sabot etc... continued...
deusimperator 8 months ago
@zooders
Take the .22 earsplitingbigboomer which had a volume to bullet weight of about .290 and a over bore ration of 2730 and provided about 4600-4800 fps. Your scenario: you have a .95 V/b and a overbore ratio of 1153. So in reality you should be looking at about say about 3200-3500 fps MAX in reality. Remember the 4600 fps was based on an OVERPRESSURE of _9000_ bars (slow powder). IF you used a 30 cal sabot in of a 358 sabot I can see you getting perhaps 4000 fps may be... SO BULLSHITTER...
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator so me and my buddy shot it today and you know what, you were fairly close, i got a velocity on average of 4893 from 12 shots. sorry about the mess up on my part
zooders 8 months ago
@zooders Using a 38" BBL to get those velocities, I gather?
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator yes
zooders 8 months ago
@zooders
While the 460 Steyr will penetrate more than the 460 Weatherby due to heavier bullets and higher velocities it is an AMR like the 50 BMG. The .416 Barret and .408 Cheytec may also provide better penetration but all these are specialized cartridge not "commercial sporting/hunting cartridge" - an important distinction. The .460 is a commercial sporting cartridge. Many of the big bore cartridge articles are by me on Wikipedia including the engineering drawings.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator will my 416 lazzeroni penetrate more? i wonder
zooders 8 months ago
@zooders
Meteor launches a 400 gr (SD=.330) bullet at 2800 ft/s while the 460 Weatherby launches a 500 gr (SD=.341) bullet at 2600 ft/s. If bullet is made equal by ratio with regard to construction the Lazaronni will penetrate better. ratio of 65 to 62. So if the 460 penetrates 62 in in a medium expect the 10.57 to get 65 in the same medium
deusimperator 8 months ago
@zooders
However, the 10.57 is not a commercial sporting cartridge it is a proprietary cartridge. The Weatherby is and has been standardized by both SAAMI and CIP.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@zooders
However, keep in mind that the 10.57 Meteor has a case capacity of about 130 cm3 while the .416 Weatherby has a capacity of 140 cm3. The Lazzeroni would have to be stoked up to a higher pressure. If something is doable in the Meteor it is more easily doable in the .416 Weatherby because of the larger case capacity all things being equal.
deusimperator 8 months ago
@deusimperator thanks for the info yet again
zooders 8 months ago
This wants to make me kill an elephant ! XD
cryptidclubleader 1 year ago
I have a zebra gun.
BUNNIEZHELL 1 year ago
powerful gun
francky101 1 year ago
Wasn't much recoil for an "Elephant Gun". Light loads maybe.
willbond 1 year ago
poor elephants. they are nice, they just want to eat their peanuts in peace :(
TracyAndersonFoxhunt 1 year ago
Nice job, That gun would knock me on my ass I give you credit for just trying it!
Mandy7D7 1 year ago
this should have been in Mw2 x)
bigrobjordan15 1 year ago
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@bigrobjordan15 Nah. You should just die
EricCris10sen 1 year ago
sounds like a good anti infantry weapon
1245678987 1 year ago
@1245678987
hahaha as if! With recoil like that? And reload times? I dont think so. And think logistically, why would the army produce ammo especially for this when they could just produce millions of the same bullets and use it in all their guns?
TheBadgerslayer 1 year ago
jaja je größer die waffe desto kleiner der...
pqdmoovies 1 year ago
If that's a .460 Weatherby Magnum, you may just have my hunting rifle beat. It's one I've wanted to get for a while.
AreThereNoMoreNames 1 year ago
blimey mate i think i just broke me arm
ghillyboy14 1 year ago
I don't understand why everyone is giving you a hard time. You handled the rifle like a champ, good for you bud.
Respect from Canada
frankthatank22 1 year ago
That fucker looks like it hurts
jtp0321 1 year ago
You must mean pink elephants.
SWhitneyBrown64 1 year ago
why do people laugh when the gun shot dosent look so exciting
Obeace 1 year ago
shir
CrazyCornhuskerFan 1 year ago
@CrazyCornhuskerFan
your enlightening and informative post has been an inspiration to me. I shall act upon the message it sends immediately.
Counterins 1 year ago 45
@Counterins you sound like a dick
94phenom 1 year ago
go find a forum board on elephant guns, and go argue there
Pinesol23 1 year ago
stop arguing people! stop it!
Pinesol23 1 year ago
@Pinesol23 NO! Why would I want these people to stop arguing, every argument is the reason this clip has hit the view level it has It certainly can't be the actual video content. L:ets face it I'm not a good looking, Neither is Paul. My mates voice is too loud, Hi Marc :) Keep arguing folks I love ya all even if i do take the time to take the mickey outta ya :D
Counterins 1 year ago
when you shoot these big guns your soposed to fail so we can laugh
TheGunguy1 1 year ago 6
@TheGunguy1 yeah I know. I'm sorry I really really tried to drop the gun to make it funny, but there is something in my eyes a ltitle wrong with deliberately dropping an expensive item on the floor just to laugh at it. :D I did make the floor plate fall off though so hey try and be happy with that please ? :)
Counterins 1 year ago
dude i was just screwing wit ya i was kidding
TheGunguy1 1 year ago
@TheGunguy1 Yeah i know fella :) so Was I :D
Counterins 1 year ago
Like a fucken mauser
hejsansvejsan92 1 year ago
shooting elephants is just plain stupid
chrettesim 1 year ago
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fucking annoying british accents
prosurfer2222 1 year ago
I'm sorry my good fellow but one can only assume your distinct distaste for the british accent must be based purely on the simple and irrefutable fact that by comparison you must seem to be as indeed you most likely are; to wit, retarded
Counterins 1 year ago
@Counterins HAH classic response. 5* for the comeback
CSS171717 1 year ago
ahhh Yorkshire
ORLANDOFINLAY 1 year ago
@ORLANDOFINLAY So close and yet so very very wrong. Lancashire Do NOT make that mistake again :D Or I'll claim you are from Boston j/k
Counterins 1 year ago
actually didn't look that bad, at least compared to a lot of other vid's I'v seen of folks shooting large caliber rifles.
theMozambiquedrill 2 years ago
its mostly the people shooting the rifle not the rifle its self it depends on how you hold it how tight you hold it and what kinda control you have and your stance and he did everything the right way
wigtrimer 2 years ago
you could kill an elephant with that!
puppyjackjack 2 years ago
I think that is what it's meant for.?? It's is a big5game cartridge.
hvuu 2 years ago
way to hold it down. -rum
rumravon 2 years ago
Nice stance, you handled the recoil much better than people in the other videos.
AlmightyShiz 2 years ago 2
is this up Rossy Fusiliers?
mrspenn1611 2 years ago
@mrspenn1611 IIRC it is. Well done that man
Counterins 1 year ago
.460 is an absolutely amazing round for african dangerous game... even the .470 NE and a few larger NE's back down from it. WEATHERBY FTW
JtsGreene 2 years ago
Well kinda of easy thing to do for weatherby to bring out something better compare to something else that by developed decade before it. It's like saying the .460 bow down to the 416barret or 408 cheytac.
hvuu 2 years ago
One other factor you might want to consider is the hydraulic shock delivered by a very high velocity bullet. Flesh cannot be compressed and the resulting shock must be enormous. There is usually one very small entrance wound and no exit wound. The skull is broken into several pieces inside the skin of the animal. I feel that this combination would be effective with a conventional heart shot as well due to the hydraulic effect. I never shoot at a running animal.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
did you mean to say hydrostatic shock lol
LambOfGuad 2 years ago
My Model 70 (pre '64) has a one in 14 rate of twist and at 4,000 fps the rotational speed of the bullet is staggering. The bullet seems to come apart completely INSIDE the target thereby transferring ALL of its energy inside the animal. When a bullet punches all the way through the target some of its energy is wasted. I load 40.2 grains of IMR 4320 behind a 52 grain Speer hollow point bullet to achieve the velocity mentioned.
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
A big entrance wound isn't necessarily required for a quick kill. I've shot deer before with a 220 swift and they went down instantly. I usually still hunted and made only head shots at anywhere from 100 yards out to around 350. Beyond 350 yards the small (52 grain) bullet loses velocity pretty fast and the trajectory suffers. One thing to consider in the "killing effectiveness quotient" is the rotational speed of the small bullet..
SpeedyNeutrino43 2 years ago
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look at the faggot pushin a 50 cal. hahahhahahaha. get off your fat fuckin ass and stop with the video games.
XxriflexpertxX 2 years ago
XxriflexpertxX, You name apparently is a lie. You have no idea what your talking about. Hell if you even took the time to red the tittle of the video you would know what type of round was being fire, As for calling someone you don't even know a faggot well that just shows how immature you are. If anyone needs to get of there ass it should be you. Pathetic little you tube troll.
Callabris 2 years ago 2
@Callabris no the name is no lie. i wasnt saying the round was 50 cal. i was pointing someone out for sayin it was 50 cal. im on your side buddy, get the facts straight.
XxriflexpertxX 2 years ago
haha you tell him haha
hellcatjoe 2 years ago
So he shoots and it goes bang..how is this significant ?
yiblon 2 years ago
Hehehe! I like the .22 going off right before he shoots. Very big contrast.
RB5566 2 years ago 11
@RB5566 WRONG actually
it was merely a 22-250 that was my cousin you saw in the video and the gun that fired previous was me
get sum bitch
AnAvalanche 1 year ago
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f***ing pussy
Braineater465 2 years ago
so where's the Elephant?
RifledBarrel 2 years ago
lol good question
DaBossk 2 years ago
The elephant is behind the rifle :D
Counterins 2 years ago
kicks like a mule.
peaceplz100 2 years ago
Cont... You can put like 3000 foot pounds of energy into a deer, and it overloads it and drops it on a dime even with a heart or lung type of shot, doesn't have to be brain/spine. On elephant, buffaloe, ect. they are simply too big for any human to handle a gun where extra velocity (energy) is going to kill it faster. You simply have to make a big hole in it for more effective killing, but the penetration has to be adequate. (and the 600 Overkill has more than is needed.)
DigitalHaze65536 2 years ago
Didn't that thing have a muzzle brake on it? (looked like one.) That reduces the recoil quite a bit. And yes kiddies, 460 WM counts as an "elephant gun", considering far lesser rounds are also considered that.
And for the idiot posting "50 cal". I do hope you mean 500 nitro, 500 A-Square ect. As they are SHOULDER FIRED weapons, not like the 50 BMG which is far too big and heavy to actually carry and shoot from your shoulder. (if you think it is lay off the video games and get real.)
DigitalHaze65536 2 years ago
Ok, ive fired a rifle chambered for .50 BMG frommy shoulder. If is possible. Not so practical, but possible.
CheyTac2 2 years ago
lesser?
xxcanttouchthis69xx 2 years ago