@TheJEANFB Hrm lets see....Nope, no one, not once, we fought the japs backwards in their island hopping campain and nobody has tried since. Let me guess, you're a cheese eating surrender monkey too? Get invaded not once but twice by the same people within 20 odd years and immediatly shit your pants, throw up your hands and fall to your knees waving that pretty little white flag you people are so fond of then after being saved by the rest of the world, act like cunts toward them for60 years after
@Antifaith29 the white flag I plant in your pussy wet and moist girly. Australian army? What for. To fight against the aborigines and kangaroos ^ ^. Good joke. You are a fucking inbred who is married to his brother fucker kangaroo
Im sorry but i had to laugh at the description " The enemys of france shall tremble" Im not saying you dont have a great sub there and sure, your military is quite decent now days but you sure as shit arent known for making other nations " Tremble" lately. Come on now.
On the other hand , i do hear you guys make quite a nice white flag.
@tangocharlie11 France just finished sinking the Libyan navy last month.<<<<So what the big deal........ The Germans in the back WW2 had sank many English and France ship they never talk about it!!!!
@ollonsvin you cant compare a dieal electric sub to a nuclear sub the swedish sub is very hard to detect yes but is alot smaller so is less armed and it is alot slower plus you have no idea if it is a match with the barracuda as the barracuda wont be launched until 2016 am not saying its a bad sub due to your coment i looked up the sub very impresive and who doesnt like showing the americans there not as good as they believe
I know you should not comapare them, but this sub is made for use in shallow arcipilag waters were you have no use for a big nuclear one. regarding the armament, the sub have the Torpedo 2000 from BUWS, wich is a wery porent weapon, check it up, there is a video on you tube on it.
Our navy have orderd two new ones now, even better and better performing.
Its a fantastic machine, I have been in one.
A freind of my, is the skipper on the sub that were over in sandiego
@ollonsvin Thats cool i cant imagine what is like to be on a sub i imagine it would seem very cramped with regards to the armament i was refering to the amount of weapons it can carry. i see that the swedish sub was made in the mid 90s will the new subs be the same class with updated tech or a brand new class
It´s cramped, nothing for me. The boat was in harbour when I was onboard. The two new ones will be just a litle bigger and to be launched 2018, two Gotland class will be uppgraded and a llitle longer.
There have not been any demand för cruse missiles on our subs, since we have the land base RBS Mk3 ( on you tube ) But how knows, maby on the new ones
I'm thinking part of the reason France is taking a lead in this whole Gahdaffi thing is to show-case their military hardware. Expect the 1st sales of Rafael and other French 'things that go Boom!" to happen soon.
@stalkingalizee NATO bomb eight docked Libyan warships because of "fears over Gadhafi's increasing reliance on the navy". They were docked! It was one of the many unnecessary coward attacks against the Libyan people, these ships belong to the country and not to Gadhafi. War by itself is very lucrative. Ask uncle Sam. It's no secret that the imperialistic regimes are in decadence, that is why they've engaged in colonialism once again.
@stalkingalizee Yeah sunk some wooden fishing boats. France is only daring to engage in wars with such weak countries, also in the middle of civil war, because there is no danger for them to demonstrate its Great White State Flag at the end.
@Zbyszkoz , Russian fleet is composed of pace of junk... and they buy French ship insted. like the Mistral class, did you know that DCNS was the Europeen leader for surface vessels ?
@tangocharlie11 It's not because France don't have the rest of the world as ennemy like the USA that we don't need to make weapons, half of military hardware produce in France is for exportation, so this is also for economic reason...
You have to be stupid to believe that a country needs an enemy to prepare for war. If you do not prepare your army in peacetime, when the war arrives it is too late and you will not be prepared when the enemy will be there. France has already madethe mistake in the past not to be prepared for war because leftists like you said there was no enemy.
Oh god ... What an idiot .. That's called 'having military capabilities' in case of War. And who the hell is not improving himself in military technologies ? Use your brain before left clicking on answer with your mouse.
A great looking sub I have to admit but I wonder how it will look with a white flag of surrender flying over it as we all know the french are a bunch of surrender monkeys LOL
@SuperDogowar Please don't troll. This isn't 1940 anymore. The French were some of the hardest-hitting "hawks" during speculation about whether to intervene in Libya. When the conflict broke out they also conducted some of the fiercest airstrikes which continue today. If you want to cry surrender monkeys, tell that to the Gaddafi forces.
Ololo. Подводные можно не катировать уже как оружие. С развитием радаров и сенсорных систем, любую из них можно обнаружить и ликвидировать. И к этому уже давно идёт. Любой нормальный военный корабль оборудован должным оборудованием. Да и затраты на их содержание и строительство слишком велики. ИМХО.
France is leading the way in nuclear submarines, first Le Triompant SSBN(the best SSBN -together with Borei class-) and now the Barracuda/Suffren class SSN.
@queenshussars No doubt this submarine has terrific weapons and good technology. But what about the liberty of Britain to use those americain tomahawks or americain nucleare missile Trident, without permission of the US. Do you know this? from some mounths these is a agreement between Britain and France to improve the nucleare head of Trident in the laboratories of CEA (Commissariat de l'energie atomique) in France. Perhaps MoD has enough of special relationsheaps with USA.
je suis comptemp de donner une partie de mes impots pour ca , il faut bien payer les créateurs des nouvelles technologies (militaire , ingenieur , ouvrier , etc....)
@Whiteplane The Jimmy will be 12y old when the Barracuda is commissioned and is a Cold War design. It will be quite obsolete. It was discontinued for the Virginia class.
@Jospehporta Actually, the Sea Wolf is based on 20 year old technology. It is obsolete. Maybe when it gets a major refit it will be up to the level of Barracuda.
@Jospehporta Is that why Thales is world leader in underwater systems and lead exporter of sonars? It is just a simple fact that we equip 500 ships and subs across 50 navies, including the USN and RN. HMS Astute has the world's best sensor suite and it is made by Thales, sonar and optronic masts... not to mention ESM and comm systems. Barracuda is getting the Mk2 versions of all those systems. Just so you know, Thales won the LCS sonar contract which is the biggest in the world.
@stalkingalizee Also the HMS Astute uses a BAE systems sonar not Thales. Sorry just another case of you being wrong again. The only time France exports sonars is because a country is looking for something cheap with limited capability.
@Jospehporta That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You truly are a n00b.
A) It is owned by the French State and Dassault family
B) 82% of its workforce is in France
C) The HQ is in the suburbs of Paris
D) CEO and executive board is French
Now if you want to argue about BEA being British, you would have an argument since most of its workshare and employees are in the US. About Thales, dumbest comment on my channel.
@stalkingalizee Obviously you can't read simple financial books. Less than half the company is owned by the French State and Dassault family. Education yourself you idiot. Learn how to read a financial statement, you come across as being very stupid.
@Jospehporta Obviously you can't read simple financial books. The State owns 27% and Dassault owns 26% for a total of 53% which is over half... not to mention another 32% held in French pension plans. Educate yourself you idiot. Learn how to add as you come across as being very STUPID. rofls
@Jospehporta A fact that you just made up on the spot being a completely unqualified civilian with absolutely no ties to the defence industry or military intelligence agencies..... Your fucking pathetic, get a life, and leave statements like that to people who are actually employed in the field and have the credentials to make claims like that. You really know NOTHING other than what you've been indoctrinated with. Very VERY sad for any human to be in that pathetic position....
@mattmatt115 I deal in facts, you deal in bullshit. It's obvious you have no idea what you;re talking about, just another retard making up things on YT.
And as far as I know, the Jimmy Carter is a submarine modified for secial ops. But that does not make it a better attack submarine, but a more specialised one.
considering the details of this design havent really been released ntm they havent even completed the shell for the first of this class, i think we are getting a little premature ;)
Franco-British will face problem in terms of sales policy. UK will never sell their SSN technology to non NATO parties, while France is more liberal in the sale of their technology. Everybody is doing fine on their own.
@glup2glup UMMMMMMMM could you PLEASE clarify, and perhaps... back up your baseless claim, at the absolute very least??? Please elaborate, i am very curious to see how the Tornado, the Jaguar, the Eurocopter, the Type 45, the QE Class, Trafalgars, Challenger 2's, Eurofighter, Spearfish torpedo, etc etc is completely dependant on technology from USA??? Come on, i really wanna hear it!!! Think hard
@mattmatt115 You are writing about conventional weapons, most of them were created with some europeen countries. By independance, i was talking about suprem nuclear power.
@glup2glup Alright well, if you are talking solely about the Trident nuclear weapons. I agree. Now, the platforms from which they are launched from in RN, i do not agree.
We are upgrading our Trafalgar class so Astute probably won't be in full service for at least another 7 years. It takes years just to build them I'm afraid.
Thx for the info. Even then it's going to take years to get it ready tho. We are lucky to have the Trafalgar class which is still very capable. The problem is a lack of detail man. As you can imaginem their keeping all the detail quite lol. Seeing as your a Frenchman, what do you think about this new partnership between us and you guys? I personally like the idea although I think we will have to put aside a few silly differences :) UK and France combined would be very strong
It is a cost saving exercise. Share R&D, purchase similar equipment, share maintenance and lease excess logistics capacity. It should save us €3-5 billion each over the next 10 years. The deeper meaning is the integration of the UK into the Pan-European defence establishment. Joint combat brigade, sharing carriers... that is all precursor to the end of NATO and the beginning of a European Army. The only good thing that will come from all these cuts.
Je connaissais pas les Astute, mais qu'est ce qu'ils sont moches.
Par contre, niveau armement, 20 torpilles en 4 tubes pour le Barracuda, c'est pas un peu faible? Enfin je demande ça, je suis loin d'être un expert en matière de sous-marins, juste un amateur à peine éclairé, mais si les combats sous-marins sont aussi complexes que les combats aériens (leurres, etc...), on risque de paumer beaucoup de torpilles avant de toucher une cible non?
@chenoir Non pour de la bataille sous marine moderne : c'est amplement suffisant : n'oublie pas que les torpilles lourdes aujourd'hui sont guidées + auto-guidées : une torpille n'a plus rien a voir aux torpilles classiques massivement utilisées pendant la WW2 qui vont droit devant elles et nécessitent un calcul complexe avant tir (si on veut espérer détruire une cible mouvante avec une torpille qui ne fait qu'aller droit devant elle ! C'est par exemple aujourd'hui encore le cas de la shkvaal
@basstemperature Qui n'est pas une torpille autoguidée, mais une torpille de défense (en attaque elle sert quasi a rien aujourd'hui : elle tire droit devant elle mais a 350-400 km/h : pour la marine russe elle sert comme une sorte de roquette de défense de leurs sous marins : la cavitation trop élevée + la vitesse rend impossible son auto-guidage ou filoguidage) les torpilles filoguidées sont aujourd'hui une menace très élevée sur sous marin ou cibles surfaces
@basstemperature car on peu harceler la cible avec la même torpille sur près de 50 km ! en la guidant depuis le sous marin, ou la laisser se débrouiller avec ses propres moyens de détection (ou bien en se servant du dome radar/sonar du sous marin d'origine si guidées par un marin) ce qui en fait une arme redoutable aujourd'hui
Bon les 1ere torpille guidée sont apparues durant la WW2 mais le stock majeur était des torpilles qui filaient droit
@basstemperature Dans ces conditions, n'avoir "que 20 torpilles" dans un SNA n'est pas un "sous armement" car en général si on tire une torpille : le navire ennemi a de forte chances de ne pas s'en sortir : notamment si on est assez discret auparavant pour qu'il ne sache pas ou est l'ennemi (la surprise de l'apparition de la torpille lui laisse encore moins de seuil de réactivité pour s'en sortir !) du coup 2 torpilles tirées font quasiment l'assurance de tuer la cible
@basstemperature de toute façon, les batailles "sous marine" entre grande puissance n'étant plus vraiment des scénarios a craindre : les architectures des SNA modernes sont aujourd'hui axés vers les capacités de tir mer-mer a changement de milieu (pour buter des navires de surfaces a + de 30-40 km que la torpille ne peu espérer atteindre) et lanceur de missile de croisière changement de milieu mer-sol !
@basstemperature Et c'est la ou je trouve le barracuda plutot faible : on aurait peut être mieux fait de n'en faire construire que 4 au lieu de 6 : et construire 2 SNLE-NG de + pour les transformer en lanceur de missiles de croisières comme les SSGN ohio US : le problème est simple : dans un sous marin le stockage horizontale des missiles et a manipuler par humain parce que vont sortir par la même sortie que les torpilles : font que ce type de sous marin n'aura qu'une faible capacité
@basstemperature mer sol : parce que comme il faut stocker ces missiles avec les torpilles a l'horizontal : ils prennent énormément de + dans le volume du sous marin et font perdre du temps : notamment s'il faut changer de vecteurs dans les tubes (ou il y a torpilles, exocet et missile de croisière)
Un SNLE transformé en SSGN : ce sont les silots d'origine du SNLE a la verticale qui sont le système de stockage des missiles de croisières : du coup les tubes torpilles restent disponibles a 100%
@basstemperature Mais surtout : dans un SSGN on peu espérer au minimum placer une centaine de missiles de croisières a hauteur de 4-5 par tubes verticale lanceur d'engins ! Ce qui lui donne une très forte capacité de frappe mer-sol hallucinante !
C'est le problème des SNA aujourd'hui : vu que dans l'avenir c'est surtout les missiles a changements de milieu qui seront utiles en terme de places de stockages :
Autant placer exocet + scalp en verticale dans un modèle SNLE-NG qu'a l'horizontale
thankyou very much for posting!...its always fun to see beautiful new submarines...i have enjoyed their design evolution for 45 years!.../ @ milwaukee
leader of technology France
caracollass 2 months ago
TOP I like this video
ftopdirs 2 months ago
@TheJEANFB Hrm lets see....Nope, no one, not once, we fought the japs backwards in their island hopping campain and nobody has tried since. Let me guess, you're a cheese eating surrender monkey too? Get invaded not once but twice by the same people within 20 odd years and immediatly shit your pants, throw up your hands and fall to your knees waving that pretty little white flag you people are so fond of then after being saved by the rest of the world, act like cunts toward them for60 years after
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 the white flag I plant in your pussy wet and moist girly. Australian army? What for. To fight against the aborigines and kangaroos ^ ^. Good joke. You are a fucking inbred who is married to his brother fucker kangaroo
TheJEANFB 4 months ago
@Antifaith29 60 years ? There wasn't war in 1951.
Deshumidificateur 4 months ago
@Deshumidificateur Never heard of Korea, huh?
whateverbitches1 3 months ago
Im sorry but i had to laugh at the description " The enemys of france shall tremble" Im not saying you dont have a great sub there and sure, your military is quite decent now days but you sure as shit arent known for making other nations " Tremble" lately. Come on now.
On the other hand , i do hear you guys make quite a nice white flag.
Antifaith29 4 months ago
@tangocharlie11 France just finished sinking the Libyan navy last month.<<<<So what the big deal........ The Germans in the back WW2 had sank many English and France ship they never talk about it!!!!
nazzat34 5 months ago
@nazzat34
lol
they never sunk french ship !
it's umpossible look the panzershiff Dutchland vs the dunkrik class
french ship wins and if gras spee survive to his english attack , the french waited him !
MrFlaujac 5 months ago
@ollonsvin you cant compare a dieal electric sub to a nuclear sub the swedish sub is very hard to detect yes but is alot smaller so is less armed and it is alot slower plus you have no idea if it is a match with the barracuda as the barracuda wont be launched until 2016 am not saying its a bad sub due to your coment i looked up the sub very impresive and who doesnt like showing the americans there not as good as they believe
xDarkVengeancex 5 months ago
@xDarkVengeancex
I know you should not comapare them, but this sub is made for use in shallow arcipilag waters were you have no use for a big nuclear one. regarding the armament, the sub have the Torpedo 2000 from BUWS, wich is a wery porent weapon, check it up, there is a video on you tube on it.
Our navy have orderd two new ones now, even better and better performing.
Its a fantastic machine, I have been in one.
A freind of my, is the skipper on the sub that were over in sandiego
ollonsvin 5 months ago
@ollonsvin Thats cool i cant imagine what is like to be on a sub i imagine it would seem very cramped with regards to the armament i was refering to the amount of weapons it can carry. i see that the swedish sub was made in the mid 90s will the new subs be the same class with updated tech or a brand new class
xDarkVengeancex 5 months ago
@xDarkVengeancex
It´s cramped, nothing for me. The boat was in harbour when I was onboard. The two new ones will be just a litle bigger and to be launched 2018, two Gotland class will be uppgraded and a llitle longer.
There have not been any demand för cruse missiles on our subs, since we have the land base RBS Mk3 ( on you tube ) But how knows, maby on the new ones
ollonsvin 5 months ago
How many components ?
ContreJours 6 months ago
I'm trembling I'm trembling, god have mercy on me France is going to get me.
actionmantodiworl123 6 months ago
I'm thinking part of the reason France is taking a lead in this whole Gahdaffi thing is to show-case their military hardware. Expect the 1st sales of Rafael and other French 'things that go Boom!" to happen soon.
good2goskee 8 months ago
Who are the enemies of France anyway? Green Peace? wasn't that the last ship they sank?
tangocharlie11 8 months ago 40
@tangocharlie11 France just finished sinking the Libyan navy last month.
stalkingalizee 8 months ago 26
@stalkingalizee Well put.
matrix49A 7 months ago
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rmuzel 5 months ago
@stalkingalizee NATO bomb eight docked Libyan warships because of "fears over Gadhafi's increasing reliance on the navy". They were docked! It was one of the many unnecessary coward attacks against the Libyan people, these ships belong to the country and not to Gadhafi. War by itself is very lucrative. Ask uncle Sam. It's no secret that the imperialistic regimes are in decadence, that is why they've engaged in colonialism once again.
rmuzel 5 months ago
@stalkingalizee What a challenge! I'm soo glad they managed it...what could have happened otherwise?
carllundstrom 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee
The question was is Libya an enemy of France?
70weer 4 months ago 14
@70weer It isn't now, we replaced the enemy.
stalkingalizee 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee Yeah sunk some wooden fishing boats. France is only daring to engage in wars with such weak countries, also in the middle of civil war, because there is no danger for them to demonstrate its Great White State Flag at the end.
zloykushnir 4 months ago
@stalkingalizee France just finished sinking the Libyan navy last month........... tray whit Russia or Iran
Zbyszkoz 4 months ago
@Zbyszkoz , Russian fleet is composed of pace of junk... and they buy French ship insted. like the Mistral class, did you know that DCNS was the Europeen leader for surface vessels ?
XBotticelli 2 months ago
@tangocharlie11 lol, thats quite true
Tihamah3 8 months ago
@tangocharlie11 It's not because France don't have the rest of the world as ennemy like the USA that we don't need to make weapons, half of military hardware produce in France is for exportation, so this is also for economic reason...
ContreJours 6 months ago
@tangocharlie11 Thumbs up for sinking Green Peace.
Rileyman2rr 3 months ago 6
You have to be stupid to believe that a country needs an enemy to prepare for war. If you do not prepare your army in peacetime, when the war arrives it is too late and you will not be prepared when the enemy will be there. France has already madethe mistake in the past not to be prepared for war because leftists like you said there was no enemy.
ContreJours 2 months ago 2
@tangocharlie11 you don t need ennemies to make and sell weapons to others...
albr00700 1 month ago
@tangocharlie11
Oh god ... What an idiot .. That's called 'having military capabilities' in case of War. And who the hell is not improving himself in military technologies ? Use your brain before left clicking on answer with your mouse.
Whatapilot 1 month ago
@tangocharlie11 Great humour ! :-)
Don't you know that in 2012 ecologist are going to have the greatest place on the French Parlement ever.
bo2web 2 weeks ago
A great looking sub I have to admit but I wonder how it will look with a white flag of surrender flying over it as we all know the french are a bunch of surrender monkeys LOL
SuperDogowar 8 months ago
@SuperDogowar Please don't troll. This isn't 1940 anymore. The French were some of the hardest-hitting "hawks" during speculation about whether to intervene in Libya. When the conflict broke out they also conducted some of the fiercest airstrikes which continue today. If you want to cry surrender monkeys, tell that to the Gaddafi forces.
samolet900 8 months ago 2
The Seawolf class is still the best.
JohnDamascus 9 months ago
@JohnDamascus What about the Virginia-class?
samolet900 8 months ago
Music: Darkness and Light (no choir) - X-Ray Dog. I was surprised when I recognized it.
mrthompson878 9 months ago
Ololo. Подводные можно не катировать уже как оружие. С развитием радаров и сенсорных систем, любую из них можно обнаружить и ликвидировать. И к этому уже давно идёт. Любой нормальный военный корабль оборудован должным оборудованием. Да и затраты на их содержание и строительство слишком велики. ИМХО.
MsSLIDER21 9 months ago
ho...
Andy23yang 9 months ago
France is leading the way in nuclear submarines, first Le Triompant SSBN(the best SSBN -together with Borei class-) and now the Barracuda/Suffren class SSN.
EleosGamoto 10 months ago
How come French attack submarines could not find Air France´s "black box" after the accident?
locolopelocolope 10 months ago
@queenshussars There was not nucleare war in Falklands
glup2glup 10 months ago
@queenshussars No doubt this submarine has terrific weapons and good technology. But what about the liberty of Britain to use those americain tomahawks or americain nucleare missile Trident, without permission of the US. Do you know this? from some mounths these is a agreement between Britain and France to improve the nucleare head of Trident in the laboratories of CEA (Commissariat de l'energie atomique) in France. Perhaps MoD has enough of special relationsheaps with USA.
glup2glup 10 months ago
combien d'exemplaires sont en service?
13laciotat 10 months ago
Мы делаем ракету торпеду лучшую в мире ей нет аналогов, вот так.
03091947kolai 11 months ago
@03091947kolai E'to ne raketa, no torpeda krylatyx raket.
stalkingalizee 11 months ago
@queenshussars
you live in a cave, right ?
s0undActivist 11 months ago
@queenshussars
because other countries actually mind to sell weapons to dictatorship or anything in this range ? tell me one ?
s0undActivist 11 months ago
It has been laid, So I think It's ready for deployment.
Stover36 1 year ago
Sell that sh9t to your buddies and see what happens you fuc9ing traitors.
1973frassrand 1 year ago
merveilleux la technologie militaire
je suis comptemp de donner une partie de mes impots pour ca , il faut bien payer les créateurs des nouvelles technologies (militaire , ingenieur , ouvrier , etc....)
il fait defendre la france a tout pris
vive la france
SUPERBE VIDEO
merci
sangsue100 1 year ago
The "most advanced" attack sub on earth is the Jimmy Carter.Sorry eurobros.
Whiteplane 1 year ago
@Whiteplane The Jimmy will be 12y old when the Barracuda is commissioned and is a Cold War design. It will be quite obsolete. It was discontinued for the Virginia class.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago 15
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Jospehporta 9 months ago
@Jospehporta Actually, the Sea Wolf is based on 20 year old technology. It is obsolete. Maybe when it gets a major refit it will be up to the level of Barracuda.
stalkingalizee 9 months ago
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Jospehporta 9 months ago
@Jospehporta Is that why Thales is world leader in underwater systems and lead exporter of sonars? It is just a simple fact that we equip 500 ships and subs across 50 navies, including the USN and RN. HMS Astute has the world's best sensor suite and it is made by Thales, sonar and optronic masts... not to mention ESM and comm systems. Barracuda is getting the Mk2 versions of all those systems. Just so you know, Thales won the LCS sonar contract which is the biggest in the world.
stalkingalizee 9 months ago
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Jospehporta 9 months ago
@Jospehporta Why don't you ever give examples, proofs, numbers... ? :)
Quentin77170 7 months ago
@stalkingalizee Also the HMS Astute uses a BAE systems sonar not Thales. Sorry just another case of you being wrong again. The only time France exports sonars is because a country is looking for something cheap with limited capability.
Jospehporta 9 months ago
@stalkingalizee Oh and another thing Thales isn't even a French company :) Most of its work is done in Britain, Australia and America.
Jospehporta 9 months ago
@Jospehporta That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You truly are a n00b.
A) It is owned by the French State and Dassault family
B) 82% of its workforce is in France
C) The HQ is in the suburbs of Paris
D) CEO and executive board is French
Now if you want to argue about BEA being British, you would have an argument since most of its workshare and employees are in the US. About Thales, dumbest comment on my channel.
stalkingalizee 9 months ago
@stalkingalizee Completely wrong. Can you even use google?
Jospehporta 9 months ago
@stalkingalizee Obviously you can't read simple financial books. Less than half the company is owned by the French State and Dassault family. Education yourself you idiot. Learn how to read a financial statement, you come across as being very stupid.
Jospehporta 9 months ago
@Jospehporta Obviously you can't read simple financial books. The State owns 27% and Dassault owns 26% for a total of 53% which is over half... not to mention another 32% held in French pension plans. Educate yourself you idiot. Learn how to add as you come across as being very STUPID. rofls
stalkingalizee 9 months ago
@Jospehporta A fact that you just made up on the spot being a completely unqualified civilian with absolutely no ties to the defence industry or military intelligence agencies..... Your fucking pathetic, get a life, and leave statements like that to people who are actually employed in the field and have the credentials to make claims like that. You really know NOTHING other than what you've been indoctrinated with. Very VERY sad for any human to be in that pathetic position....
mattmatt115 9 months ago
@mattmatt115 I deal in facts, you deal in bullshit. It's obvious you have no idea what you;re talking about, just another retard making up things on YT.
Jospehporta 9 months ago
@Whiteplane
And as far as I know, the Jimmy Carter is a submarine modified for secial ops. But that does not make it a better attack submarine, but a more specialised one.
rockyblacksmith 1 year ago
@Whiteplane
considering the details of this design havent really been released ntm they havent even completed the shell for the first of this class, i think we are getting a little premature ;)
TheNinjari 10 months ago
Franco-British will face problem in terms of sales policy. UK will never sell their SSN technology to non NATO parties, while France is more liberal in the sale of their technology. Everybody is doing fine on their own.
bambang303378 1 year ago
@bambang303378 UK technology depends from USA. France is far more independant.
glup2glup 1 year ago 34
@glup2glup UMMMMMMMM could you PLEASE clarify, and perhaps... back up your baseless claim, at the absolute very least??? Please elaborate, i am very curious to see how the Tornado, the Jaguar, the Eurocopter, the Type 45, the QE Class, Trafalgars, Challenger 2's, Eurofighter, Spearfish torpedo, etc etc is completely dependant on technology from USA??? Come on, i really wanna hear it!!! Think hard
mattmatt115 9 months ago
@mattmatt115 You are writing about conventional weapons, most of them were created with some europeen countries. By independance, i was talking about suprem nuclear power.
glup2glup 9 months ago
@glup2glup Alright well, if you are talking solely about the Trident nuclear weapons. I agree. Now, the platforms from which they are launched from in RN, i do not agree.
mattmatt115 9 months ago
@glup2glup USA technology is depends UK minimum 100 years end Russia about 60-70 years. MINIMUM
Zbyszkoz 4 months ago
U212a can communicate by satellite also when submerged...
95predator 1 year ago
@95predator oooh ! and you can go under water with your submarine ?
Thx to god, it's a miracle !
alpacks 1 year ago
marine francaise la pur classse
yawoue 1 year ago
It will be interesting to see how this compares to the Royal Navys Astute class SSN.
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer At the rate Astute trials are going, Barracuda will be in service first. lol
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee
That wouldn't surprise me :)
We are upgrading our Trafalgar class so Astute probably won't be in full service for at least another 7 years. It takes years just to build them I'm afraid.
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer
After the grounding of Astute and subsequent damage by the tug trying to pull her off, the ship won't return to trials until next March.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee
Thx for the info. Even then it's going to take years to get it ready tho. We are lucky to have the Trafalgar class which is still very capable. The problem is a lack of detail man. As you can imaginem their keeping all the detail quite lol. Seeing as your a Frenchman, what do you think about this new partnership between us and you guys? I personally like the idea although I think we will have to put aside a few silly differences :) UK and France combined would be very strong
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer
It is a cost saving exercise. Share R&D, purchase similar equipment, share maintenance and lease excess logistics capacity. It should save us €3-5 billion each over the next 10 years. The deeper meaning is the integration of the UK into the Pan-European defence establishment. Joint combat brigade, sharing carriers... that is all precursor to the end of NATO and the beginning of a European Army. The only good thing that will come from all these cuts.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee
Je connaissais pas les Astute, mais qu'est ce qu'ils sont moches.
Par contre, niveau armement, 20 torpilles en 4 tubes pour le Barracuda, c'est pas un peu faible? Enfin je demande ça, je suis loin d'être un expert en matière de sous-marins, juste un amateur à peine éclairé, mais si les combats sous-marins sont aussi complexes que les combats aériens (leurres, etc...), on risque de paumer beaucoup de torpilles avant de toucher une cible non?
chenoir 1 year ago
@chenoir Non pour de la bataille sous marine moderne : c'est amplement suffisant : n'oublie pas que les torpilles lourdes aujourd'hui sont guidées + auto-guidées : une torpille n'a plus rien a voir aux torpilles classiques massivement utilisées pendant la WW2 qui vont droit devant elles et nécessitent un calcul complexe avant tir (si on veut espérer détruire une cible mouvante avec une torpille qui ne fait qu'aller droit devant elle ! C'est par exemple aujourd'hui encore le cas de la shkvaal
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature Qui n'est pas une torpille autoguidée, mais une torpille de défense (en attaque elle sert quasi a rien aujourd'hui : elle tire droit devant elle mais a 350-400 km/h : pour la marine russe elle sert comme une sorte de roquette de défense de leurs sous marins : la cavitation trop élevée + la vitesse rend impossible son auto-guidage ou filoguidage) les torpilles filoguidées sont aujourd'hui une menace très élevée sur sous marin ou cibles surfaces
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature car on peu harceler la cible avec la même torpille sur près de 50 km ! en la guidant depuis le sous marin, ou la laisser se débrouiller avec ses propres moyens de détection (ou bien en se servant du dome radar/sonar du sous marin d'origine si guidées par un marin) ce qui en fait une arme redoutable aujourd'hui
Bon les 1ere torpille guidée sont apparues durant la WW2 mais le stock majeur était des torpilles qui filaient droit
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature Dans ces conditions, n'avoir "que 20 torpilles" dans un SNA n'est pas un "sous armement" car en général si on tire une torpille : le navire ennemi a de forte chances de ne pas s'en sortir : notamment si on est assez discret auparavant pour qu'il ne sache pas ou est l'ennemi (la surprise de l'apparition de la torpille lui laisse encore moins de seuil de réactivité pour s'en sortir !) du coup 2 torpilles tirées font quasiment l'assurance de tuer la cible
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature de toute façon, les batailles "sous marine" entre grande puissance n'étant plus vraiment des scénarios a craindre : les architectures des SNA modernes sont aujourd'hui axés vers les capacités de tir mer-mer a changement de milieu (pour buter des navires de surfaces a + de 30-40 km que la torpille ne peu espérer atteindre) et lanceur de missile de croisière changement de milieu mer-sol !
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature Et c'est la ou je trouve le barracuda plutot faible : on aurait peut être mieux fait de n'en faire construire que 4 au lieu de 6 : et construire 2 SNLE-NG de + pour les transformer en lanceur de missiles de croisières comme les SSGN ohio US : le problème est simple : dans un sous marin le stockage horizontale des missiles et a manipuler par humain parce que vont sortir par la même sortie que les torpilles : font que ce type de sous marin n'aura qu'une faible capacité
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature mer sol : parce que comme il faut stocker ces missiles avec les torpilles a l'horizontal : ils prennent énormément de + dans le volume du sous marin et font perdre du temps : notamment s'il faut changer de vecteurs dans les tubes (ou il y a torpilles, exocet et missile de croisière)
Un SNLE transformé en SSGN : ce sont les silots d'origine du SNLE a la verticale qui sont le système de stockage des missiles de croisières : du coup les tubes torpilles restent disponibles a 100%
basstemperature 1 year ago
@basstemperature Mais surtout : dans un SSGN on peu espérer au minimum placer une centaine de missiles de croisières a hauteur de 4-5 par tubes verticale lanceur d'engins ! Ce qui lui donne une très forte capacité de frappe mer-sol hallucinante !
C'est le problème des SNA aujourd'hui : vu que dans l'avenir c'est surtout les missiles a changements de milieu qui seront utiles en terme de places de stockages :
Autant placer exocet + scalp en verticale dans un modèle SNLE-NG qu'a l'horizontale
basstemperature 1 year ago
@29Gixxer.LOL...Barracuda is a UFO compared to Astute.no contest,swim or sink.vive la France...
diztanguy 1 year ago
thankyou very much for posting!...its always fun to see beautiful new submarines...i have enjoyed their design evolution for 45 years!.../ @ milwaukee
bladensburg1814 1 year ago