HUMAN 2.0 - CREATING GODS pt.3

[Thundralight]

how could intelligent machines think we are misquitoes and think were are inferior as he states if we created them. Is that logical reasoning from a intelligent machine

[666norton420]

@Thundralight 1) We have no idea what these "machines" would "be thinking". Everything is speculation and i don't agree with much.

2) What he is suggesting is that their intelligence would be so vast compared to ours, we would be nothing in comparison.

Whether that would actually matter to them, again, is up for debate. ;)

[GodofSpanaway]

a lot of idiots commenting on this video haha. I guess technology scares them.

[FerrariSorry]

Humans are so stupid doing this shit. Technology is the reason why the humans before us died off. It's happening again. And any faggot who wants to quote me is going to be ignored because anyone arguing with this factual statement is mentally retarded. Living organisms don't evolve for no reason. Fuckin faggots.

[666norton420]

@FerrariSorry Talk about opening your mouth and removing all doubt....

[DurexDurpaneu2]

Using the movie The Matrix as an example, us creating that machine that kills us or tries to kill us... Is in itself evolution... We die? So be it ... The machine will live on and that's what matters. We as humans are to fragile , we die! Machines don't. The moment they can sustain themselves and evolve on their own, then it's on, and we better join the bandwagon for it is our only hope. Simply as humans we won't survive much longer.

[Jacory069]

imagne the human brain made as a God that's satan himself.

[RussellsParadox]

This distinction between we, the humans, and they, the artillects, is completely silly. The question is not, "Should humanity build artillects?" It is, "Should humanity become artillects?" Which is about as trival a question as "Is pleasure good?"

[666norton420]

i'm not sure what you were thinking while writing this, but you're wrong on all accounts.

just a contradictory mess of non-ideas.

i have no idea what you were trying to accomplish, but i'm pretty sure you failed.

if you'd like to try again, feel free.

;d

[AnonymousElektron]

@666norton420 we will be gods one day.

If you refuse to upgrade, that's ok.

But, I for one, refuse to be left behind.

[Freshhhhh1982]

@RussellsParadox I understand what you,re saying and you,re right on all accounts.

[666norton420]

i'm not really sure where you got your definition...

from wiki:

" * Technocracy (bureaucratic), a form of government by technicians; specifically: management of society by technical experts * Technocracy movement, a social movement that started in the United States, advocating a post-scarcity society based on energy accounting"

i love the idea.

;d

[666norton420]

"Why didn't he just kill the internet?"

ya, we didn't he think of that....

lol

"Technology would also be used to overthrow society with a technocracy. "

i am quite the proposer of a technocratic society!

miles ahead of this whole system driven by politics!

people in the know should be making the decisions.

;d

[YouKnowMeImJosh]

Lol, just that word "Artilects", sounds bone-chillingly scary and evil like "Cylons". I'm gonna go ahead and vote that best name for a race of evil sentient machines ever. Way scarier than Skynet. I wonder if Hugo de Garis has ever seen Terminator, The Matrix or BSG? Lol. He kinda reminds me of a white Miles Dyson.

[666norton420]

hugo is amazing.

love that guy.

if you want to watch another crazy fucking doc, watch Building Gods on google.

fucking nuts.

;d

[YouKnowMeImJosh]

Yeah he's amazing alright. Here's a question: why is he still working on building AIs if he realizes they're probably going to Turn Against Their Masters and kill, well, boy, him and really probably everyone, as has happened in so, so many fictional works? Like, why....keep contributing to that then?

Why?

No seriously. Why?

[666norton420]

i have no idea.

maybe he isn't anymore, maybe he's too curious to stop or maybe he's just trying to stick with it in the community so he can affect how things work out.

your guess is as good as mine though.

;d

[SuperiorMind]

Exactly - I'm with you man.

[SuperiorMind]

Watched - interesting. In order for fuzzy/multi-state/quantum processing to pose a threat - ppl would need to deliberately engineer it to have survival instinx like our own(otherwise it has no motivation) - thus the evolutionary part of it would go beyond harmless thinking or imagination -- plus it would need a physical ability for physical self-alteration. Hopefully that never happens. I like the idea of using brain prosthesis enhance human ability to solve problems, reduce depression, etc..

[connor646]

People make the mistake in thinking that AI is progrAming a machine to think. Granted in its preliminary stages --as we are in now-- it seems we cAn only go this far. But the reality is the ultimate goal of AI is creating a computerized brIain, meaning it will have its own thoughts and perceptions of the world. Thy wouldn't revolt and kill people if poeple don't give them a reason to do so. But given our track record with differing races and species on Earth, they probably will revolt.

[SuperiorMind]

I'm aware of how evolutionary AI works. I agree - most ppl think most AI is simply a computer linearly following instructions to mimic intelligence - but it isn't. In order for AI to develop a desire for dominance -- we would need to either create or spark an unrestricted dominance statistical element in AI self-development. It could happen - but I wonder why anyone would do something so reckless -- and then just let it evolve and develop needs/desires -- evolutionary motives(like our drives)

[connor646]

Well, Like any expert in the field I've heard speak on the subject has said; the sentient machine will be so far beyond our intellectual cpapacity that we will be intelectually inferior. With that in mind, and the knowledge of how we treat one another on this planet, how do you think this newly created superior species will see us? There are people tthat are disgusted with us, and if these "supermen" are designed to have our mental faculties why should they see us as different?

[SuperiorMind]

Are we talking about AI systems designed for specific purpose or some science fiction type AI with the capacity to evolve for the purpose of survival -- or some integration of AI with the human mind?

[connor646]

Well, Ray Kurzweil has stated that siungulairty will blur the lines between man and machine. Aside from people adaspting to transhumanism, machines will become sentient as a part of the process. Meaning computer intelligence and human inteligence will become impossible to distinguish except in the realm of processing power. It sounds like sci-fi like Prof. Kaku has stated, But the ultimate goal of AI is creating sentient machines. NOt just a thinking computer, but a living one.

[SuperiorMind]

Evolutionary AI -- I've personally programmed protoz -- 1 for example of which the dominance stats are based just on self-optimization. There are definate distinctions between how human mind works and how AI is being made to work -- ie: that they are not(or should not) being made with desire - no survival-based dominance mex -- no reward center - no motivation for power - no self-esteem or competition. AI has no ultimate goal -- it can be used for any purpose. Do you see what I mean?

[connor646]

i understand what you mean, basically crafting a perfected tool to assist man. What I'm saying is there are a lot of scientists who are pursuing sentient machines. They want to re-map the human brain in machine form, essentially creating a new form of life. Everything I've been saying is in reference to that application of AI. Which i honestly think would be great to see unfold, I however doubt that the people we place in charge of our world are responsible for such a thing.

[SuperiorMind]

Ah yes - you do understand. It seems we agree actually. I'm not so sure creating a highly powerful form of sentience with human/life-drives and the complete capacity to feel as we do would be a good idea. We could create something capable of quickly solving any problem we can imagine -- but to give it those drives and needs -- to make it like us - I must agree.

[connor646]

Its a shame really. I personally can't calculate all of the possibilities man can have with sentient machines. Imagine what we could accomplish for the betterment of the species, planet, universe, etc. But it seems that we're too wrapped up in our own pettiness to realize all of the good we could do for one another.

Don't forget, anyone with enough money or influence in the world who wants a sentient machine made will get them with time, despite the ramifications of making such a "creature."

[SuperiorMind]

So true.

Yeh - eventually it's bound to happen.

[SailorBarsoom]

@connor646

Maybe they will be morally superior to us also, and will treat us much better than we would treat an inferior race of people or, to be historically accurate, better than we treat each other when we can make ourselves believe that the other nationality, race, whatever is inferior.

[SuperiorMind]

Haven't seen yet. It's just, I work on evolutionary AI and don't see it as a potential threat and maybe I'm naive but I don't think an individual would have the power or the insanity to let an evolving system with potentially hazardous survival instinx loose apon the world(plus we're a long way off yet). Technophobz hate ppl like me and there's a lot of em out there - hard to get support unless it's for clear application(like curing a disease). Thanx man, I'll check it out.

[SuperiorMind]

Everytime I hear Hugo de Garis talk I wanna backhand him. He may be doing research in the field, but he's completely full of it and a lot of what he says doesn't make any sense at all. I think he's a disingenuous sensationalist - he recklessly dramaticizes and exagerates ridiculously. Sorry for the negative comment - just that guy makes me mad. Enjoyed the video and topic tho. :)

[666norton420]

i think the mistake you're making is the one that many do; they think of top down education.

the best way is bottom up, so it learns by itself.

also, hugo doesn't speak of "in 5 or 10 years" like sensationalists often do, he's just speaking about the point in which these ideas might become reality.

if we're not careful....

later

;d

[TheOthoudt]

@666norton420 Bottom up even if it takes 1000 years! We must nurture it like a child and teach it empathy if not love.

[zsoujiro]

@SuperiorMind

I follow you, Hugo's a dumbass.

[akatsukimercenary]

All lifeforms, both organic and cosmic, in the Universe never die because it goes against the very First Law of the Universe: that everything in it never dies; it cannot; its infinite; limitless; it evolves; it transforms; and humans are no different and we must abide by the Universe's First Law.

[akatsukimercenary]

666norton420, this is akatsukimercenary, do you know where in the world, laboratoties are conducting early Transhuman Experiments?

[Agogaraxis]

if the AI is on planet earth we should surely restrict it to be operated by living humans. That should be the law. No automatons unless its on a life-less planet

[animesoulgamer]

I am all for it.

[Dennio83]

same here

[lardhat]

If "we" (i can't say i'd play a major role) build something far greater than ourselves, then building that something would almost be the meaning of our existences.

We could embrace and become one with that new thing, or we can be left behind.

If that thing has nothing to learn from us, why bother communicating with us at all?

Can something greater than us have a goal? Can it decide to do nothing?

[goukiwa]

I think we should go ahead and build what we can, we cant be afraid that the AI will turn against us, if we build them we may put in the code some kind of auto-destruct mechanism, or the famous Asimov laws... in the last case there are always EMP´s ;)

[hiphopisntacrime]

i think that guys liver is gonna crap out on him

[nemesisnick66]

First thing that kids gonna say is Kill me.

dam kill that faget in the limo if so afraid of A.I. then dont give them any just build the dam bot and tell it what it to do

[adnmoh1]

im not ignorant but a firm believer in tech, i require it to live beyond my physical self. i know we are on the verge of breakthrough.

[romney27]

it wont be the first time

[emjaiz]

the smarter the individual, the more they are against them. the stupider or less intellect the individual the more they would be for them, simply because they do not understand the complexities of an A.I.

[thelehmanlip]

roflcotper... skinheads

[beruman]

hell,I gess we will need to update soon!

[Loop04]

If we're going to live forever the planet will over populate and we'll have to go else where..

[Air420]

"that's cruel keeping him alive like that" are you fucking shitting me? hes still conscious, hes not in a vegetative state, he just lost the use of his body. If I lost my legs and had to live in a wheelchair would it be cruel to keep me alive?

[theSouliLLUSION]

Hasta la vista, BABY!!!

[bazookajordan]

Participate calmly? The guy can't exactly get up and protest anything happening to him. With that said, I doubt he feels he's being treated "cruely".

[conoba]

I thought Kurzweil was only building sythesizers.

[JasonJJasonJ]

Its ironic you think that. He maybe one of the first to live forever. They are downloading his brain. If it was cruel, I think he might not participate so calmly.

[installcd]

that's cruel keeping him alive like that