Who says I was talking about the average Irishman? I'm pretty sure in talking about ireland as a whole. And Why exactly are you trolling nationalist videos? Incase you manage to convince someone with your unionist Scaremongering? It's always negativity with the average English unionist, like you. Why don't you poll your local mp on English matters and keep out of scottish matters for a change were all getting bored of your rhetoric.
@NumberDne the Irish economy is destroyed because they lived beyond their means and made shit choices not because they left the uk, Spain and Greece didn't leave the uk and they are the same as Ireland, so your point is mute to say the least. why don't you Piss off and bum up unionist videos instead of trolling nationalist videos, all your arguments are negative rubbish.
@riha85 Lived beyond their means? Go and tell that to the average Irish person who will tell you strait that they did not live beyond their means. They made the mistake of withdrawing from the pound to take up a euro currency which was created to choke smaller countries. Had they stayed part of the UK then the UK could have bailed them out internally without surrendering all to the EU.
@jordan8445, Come with Ireland? a bankrupt dump incapable of dealing with it's own money thus depending on the European Union, the United Kingdom and International Monetary Fund to bail you out. Give me a break, no country in the world would model themselves of the Failed Republic of Ireland, I have had loads of Irish come to me tell me they wish to have the British pound back, Ireland has failed itself and its people.
You might want to notice that the trillions of debt the UK is in dwarfs the debt we have. Refusing to speak about it doesn't make it go away. What is it now, 40,000 per UK household?
@jordan8445 Ofcourse the Debt we have Dwarfs yours. as does the USA's Italy's France's etc debt also dwarfs yours, Thats because our economy and gdp dwarfs your economy and GDP. The crucial difference is that we have triple A status and dont need to beg the IMF, and EU for bailout money. We are good to pay our debt back, you are not.
"the debt is nothing" LOL, if its nothing then why coudn't your so called '460 billion natural gas' pay it back?
@jordan8445, What is now 500 thousand per Irish household, Ireland's debt per capita is way above that ov the United Kingdom. The UK is economically bigger there for more suitable to deal with its debt. Since the UK has a bigger population than Ireland we can easily control our economy while the EU controls your interest rates! You're country is over.
We have 460 billion in natural gas. That is whats known as a commodity. That debt is nothing. You know, you being a 'Unionist' is akin to a Frenchman wishing to be German. Quite pathetic and sad, really.
@jordan8445 Lol @ "Ireland have 460 billion in natural gas" you really are giving me jokes today. its not gas you need, what you need is to stop all your youth from moving out of Ireland due to lack of jobs and oportunities.
"being a 'Unionist' is akin to a Frenchman wishing to be German"
Wrong again buddy, because Being a British unionist is exactly a British man/woman being a British man/woman.
Thank's for your pointless comments underlines the fact that every brainwashed unionist trys to turn any argument about an independent Scotland into an argument about Oil and Braveheart. Hey thank god NumberDne can't vote on the upcoming elections because he lives in another country, 97K I highly advise you go join him.
@Cybopath There is no need for 97kcoats to join me in England because we live in the same country, the UK. thats why we all don't need a passport to travel between UK nations Thats why our UK millitary fight and die for each other. And deny it all you like, but your main reason for wanting to break up the UK simply comes down to oil. As for Braveheart, i will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not gullible enough to let that fictitious movie sway your thoughts.
Oh so you'll be voting for Scottish Labour in the upcoming Scottish Elections then.....?
I'm not denying anything If I did why would I be wanting to CHANGE the UK? If I had what I wanted I wouldn't be upset. Weirdly enough you two have what you want and still winge. Oh I guess because Scotland hasn't fully given in to becoming another region like Cornwall it bothers you.
LOL, you know full well that you by far got out-debated. and that is because you only have one argument or should i say "1 ball argument" which is oil. It is far better to have 8 "ball" arguments rather than only a 1 ball argument..
You realise what a fool you make out of yourself by constantly mentioning oil, a subject I never brought up. Your so called out-debating consists of turning the argument into another argument you can win. I.E Oil or past wars. I don't really care about oil, I don't plan on changing our national anthem to "Oh Oil of Scotland." But please do continue to make a fictional verson of me in your head to argue with.
@Cybopath LOL, oK, I said to you, "deny it all you like, but your main reason for wanting to break up the UK simply comes down to oil."
At which point you said "I'm not denying anything"
And then you immediately contradict yourself by saying "I don't really care about oil"
LOL, You are trying so hard to try and force yourself to believe that its not about the oil, LOL, You really do amuse me i must say, and i dont meen that as an insult, honestly, you really give me jokes.
Why do you believe it has anything to do with oil again, you are the one who brings it up in an attempt to create at sterotype to argue with. You alomst believe that Scotland forgot all about their country in 1707 untill oil was discovered in the 1970's and someone said hey remember when we used to have a country? Oh Yea Scot-Land or something it was called.
"You alomst believe that Scotland forgot all about their country in 1707 untill oil was discovered"
Did i not just say to u that "Scotland's identity has always been strong within the union"?
Does my statement sound like me believing that "Scotland forgot all about their country in 1707."??
No it does not. & about oil i say 2 u again, deny it all you like, but your main reason for breaking UK comes down 2 oil. Whats yo reply gonna be this time?
Oh well if you say it enough times maybe it'll be true. Just maybe. Yep nationalisim only exists when oil is involved. That's why Ireland left The UK, that's why All the colonies campaigned for indepenence. There where no Scottish nationalists till the 1970's. I mean Sure I'm going to benefit directly from oil in an Independent Scotland, yep the barrons are gonna come over to my house and indugle my greed. I have a huge poster of an oil rig on my wall as speak.
@Cybopath know what? That is a very good point you make there. Ireland did leave the UK, but look where Ireland is now having left the UK, Ireland now does not have enough MEP's and does not have enough clout to have any voice on the billions of pounds of debt which is being thrust apon it. Brother, you know what i thinkl? I think that you should also take advantage of being the 4 or 3rd strongest largest economy in the world. We are the UK, The UK is strong, so why strive to be weak?????
The Irish Republic was established in the 1920's can't exactly blame their economey on that and lets not kid ourselves on why they left, however why focus on Ireland when the rest of the colonies that broke away from the U.K are doing so well? Also if you believe that Scotland is weak without the U.K then you believe The rest of the U.K would be better off by defininition the U.K is weaker with us then. So you should be glad to see the lumpy 'region' with all the moany people leave.
@Cybopath "U.K would be better off by defininition the U.K is weaker with us then So you should be glad to see the lumpy 'region' with all the moany people leave,"
See this is the point. The majority of us in the UK dont want to break the union, because we dont look at it as losing out or gaining. We look at it as being one, united as a family after our years of seperation, war and squabbling. The so called "seperatist moany people" are a small minority of the UK population.
@Cybopath "yep the barrons are gonna come over to my house and indugle my greed."
Again, your sarcasm just highlights the weakness of your arguments.
And you are still trying to convince yourself that its not about oil, even after already fully admitting to me that you do not deny that it is about oil.
And yes, Any serious movement for breaking the UK came after oil was found, And you know that. Before the oil, the movement was akin to that of Brittany breaking from France.
@Cybopath "The Irish Republic was established in the 1920's can't exactly blame their economey on that"
Yes you can blame that on them leaving the UK. Stuck all alone in the far corner of europe, Ireland had it good being part of a big country which couldn't be pushed around by the EU. They were not part of the monsterous euro currency which was pretty much designed to choke smaller countries such as Ireland, Greece and now also Portugal.
@Cybopath And u can go on trying 2 dig up as many reasons for breaking the UK other than oil, but th fact is that theres no reason for destroying the UK because devolution has insured that the strong identities of Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland arn't over shadowed by the more populous England. This gives us the benefit of keeping identity & control over local issues, while joining together at UK level to b stronger, carry more clout, much like the provinces or states in Canada & USA.
And you are against that as you have said yourself you hate these identities, you'd rather us rebelious Scots got with the programme, Sacrificed our National sports teams, culture, tongue, religion no doubt, so we can some along as the good little Anglified County you want us to be. And you reduce Scotland to a State... a State like Texas. Thanks.
@Cybopath As usual chattin more garbage "Sacrificed our National sports teams, culture, tongue, religion no doubt"
So when the fuck did i ever say that i want Scotland 2 Sacrificed National sports teams, culture, tongue, religion?
I dont know how many times people must say something 2 u til you get it, because i clearly stated to you that Scotlands Identity has always been strong in the Union and that devolution secures that identity. Are you blind or something, am i typing in Russian??
@Cybopath So please tell me which "identities" did i say that i hate? please tell me coz i dont know which identities i said that i hate.
"Anglified County"
When did i ever say that i want Scotland to be an anglified county? I applaud the fact that the UK has rich diversity, and differences accepted across the UK.
@Cybopath Ireland left the UK because Ireland was not really ever part of the Mother country, Just like all the other ex colonies. The mother country being Britain. That is why, i think it was mostly, (not 100 % sure could be wrong) that it was mostly Scottish and also some English and afew Welsh that moved over to populate Northern Ireland and hold it to this very day, Proudly displaying there pride in being British.
@NumberDne, What mother country are you refering to? There has never been a mother country that broke up into Scotland, Wales, England and Northern ireland. Its always been seperate countries and was packaged up in a Union with English overlordship, just like the English have done for centuries the only difference now is they are not raping and pillaging their bribing idiots.
@riha85 The oil drives you seperatists barmey, forgetting the journey we have been on together from war, seperation and bickering to peace, togetherness and unity. You face value seperatists would sell your own mothers for a price. Good job the majority in Scotland are not greedy face value separatists but are good willed decent British citizens, who look beyond the oil, at the amaizing and eventfull journey we have had, finally turning our seperation and war into unity and peace.
Whats so great about this union? More or less racketeering "Scotland you join us and we'll stop invading and cutting off your trade roots, then we can go invade some other poor countries together, We know loads. We'll invade, steal their land, kindnap their people and sell them as slaves, oh what fun."
@Cybopath " that's why you have a big paragraph of love about William of Orange on your profile. Typical Orange royalist" im starting to think that you actually are a bitter Irish republican who hates the UK just because rep of Ireland left the UK and is now economicaly destroyed because of leaving the UK and is trying to drag Scotland down the same path. As i said, the UK is one of the world's leading economies. Ireland is not one of them, Is that where you want Scotland to be too?
Eh no Pal I'm fae East Scotland, Funny how you English confuse all the little celtic countries. All the same to you no doubt. You realise how much it sounds like you have the 8 ball it's so Ironic, Look at Ireland, Oil Oil Oil... What's next? Bring Sean Conney's tax doging into the convo for complete non-argument.
@Cybopath I didnt get anyone confused, what i said is you are starting to sound like an irish republican.
In any case, its great that you have made these 8 very good points as to why you seperatists are bad for Scotland. As for Sean Connery, i have no idea what your talking about.
@riha85 " What mother country are you refering to"
If you dont know which mother country i am refering to, then just look at your own you tube page. The place which says " Country: - United Kindom.
"English overlordship" Only seperatists create this feeling of "English overlordship" in their minds . The rest of us in the UK enjoy and take advantage of being equalls in one of the word's greatest countries, the UK
"Whats so great about this union? More or less racketeering "Scotland you join us and we'll stop invading and cutting off your trade roots, then we can go invade some other poor countries together"
LOL, you really do live in the past mate, your talking about invading poor countries etc? we are not in the 19th century any more mate we have moved on from there. What is great about the union today is that we are one of the world's leading economies and greatest countries. i call that great.
@Cybopath "every brainwashed unionist trys to turn any argument about an independent Scotland into an argument about Oil & Braveheart."
The independence movement is caused by greedy, seperatists who have been driven barmey about oil, and have subconsciously used braveheart as a historical basis for wanting to revert back to the 1300s when there was seperation and bickering on this island. I don't need 2 turn any argument about independence into oil & braveheart, it is already about that.
Yea NumberDne you go ahead and believe that sterotype you created. The thing is I can easily spray out unionist sterotype, I could believe that your a moronic fundamentalist royalist in who believes in the union purley because of religion and William of Orange...
@Cybopath The so called "stereotype" about the seperatist movement being driven by oil is not a stereotype but is actually true, as you have already admitted that you do not deny that the seperatist movement is about oil. Religion and william of Orange do not even enter my mind when refering to the Union. The catholic church's shamefull peadophilic record has ensured that any British argument supporting the catholic church is basically a non starter.
Sure it doesn't numberone, that's why you have a big paragraph of love about William of Orange on your profile. Typical Orange royalist, Anglican is just as corrupt as the Catholic church, just a different head. Presbyterian a completly different religion was by far the most free from corruption. But being Agnostic it enters my mind very little unlike you. Blether on about oil all you want it's clear you are an actual sterotype, hypocrite.
8)"Scotland Can't survive", I nor anyone is saying Scotland can't survive, it could with support from the European Union and International Monetary Fund, though I would rather Scotland's Debt Per Capita be lower than Ireland and I would rather be in a more stable economy than breaking the Union and risking economic stability, Salmond himself knows this and it's one of the reasons the SNP have gone very quiet over "Independence", Salmond is not stupid, he himself is keeping hush on the matter.
@97kcoats & yes i agree that all of our UK nations could survive alone, But its one thing to just survive And it is another better greater thing to be stronger united. & the video says "dont mention that the EU also controls the UK", well yes it does, but only in the way that it also controls Germany & France. But the UK, Germany and France are the Big 3 which pretty much have the biggest influence in the EU. The small countries like Ireland Greece etc just follow and are dictated to.
7)"Sco is a State like Texas", well no, Scotland is more than a state like Texas for more than one reason, we have a National identity within the United Kingdom Texans don't in a United State, people are over the world know the Scottish people and Scotland. The United Kingdom keeps Scotland's Identity while being in the United Kingdom and that is a fact, that is why Scots feel Independent is obsolete and irrelevant in modern day society! The United Kingdom will always be in Scotland's heart.
@97kcoats extremely valid points you raised here. It amuses me how seperatists try to agrue for breaking the union by raising these 8 good points which actually are all good reasons for the union to be maintained. Further more it also hilights the separatist 1 ball reason which is just oil. LOL. 8 good reasons to keep us united against 1 reason to break us. Even a child at 5 years of age can work out that 8 is a bigger number than 1.
Scotland's identity strengthened in spite of the union, not because of it. Sheer fear of being anglified into just anouther english county is what caused so many Scots to embrace Sterotypes.
@Cybopath Scotland's identity has always been strong within the union, as has Welsh, English and northern Irish under the Unifying force which is the UK. What has changed, is that oil has been found in the North sea 40 years ago causing greedy seperatists to slither out of the grass and into open view. The snp and Alex salmond being the seperatist's snakes head.
@Cybopath And the way you can tell that this snake's movement is driven solely about oil, is the fact that for 300 years we have enjoyed the most happy, peacefull and successful time on this Island after our centuries of war and squabbles, and only at the point when oil is found, only then, is there a serious movement by the greedy seperatist snake.
"don't plan on changing our national anthem to "Oh Oil of Scotland"
Boy you really are struggling to find any decent arguments.
That's funny that you should create the notion that their's been non stop peace since the Union, here's some times that happened since the act of union. There was massive protests throught Scotland the day after it was signed, over 60% of Scots could not vote. The Highland Clearances. Jacobite rising (Cullodon). Act of Proscription.....
If you really want to talk about oil and UK Armed forces then lets talk about the illegal war in Iraq? Where many Scottish troops die, because a British Primeminister jumped into bed with an American President for....OIL.
@Cybopath "British Primeminister jumped into bed with an American President for....OIL"
Yes but i think you need to add "a Scottish, British Prime minister." Its funny how anything negative you are happy to call it British, but then at the same time you then try talk about Britain not being an entity and Scotland standing alone.
In any case, The UK millitary is one of the world's greatest and all our soldiers from all nations in the UK want to keep it that way by staying united.
@NumberDne I know lots of Soldiers that do not want to stay part of the UK and would prefer independence. Unless you have polled every soldier then your only talking from a sample of people which falsifies your argument. And Westminister can keep Gordon Brown, he looks like somones went to work on him with a meat tenderising hammer, and not to mention his complete incapability to string a sentence together.
@riha85 "I know lots of Soldiers that do not want to stay part of the UK and would prefer independence"
I take it u also know lots of SPL players who would rather play in the second division.
And i wasn't even talking about Gordon Brown. And in any case, what do his looks have to do with anything? Thats the problem with you seperatists, always looking at everything at face value. No depth to u whatsoever. Thats why simple oil drives you all barmy forgetting the UK's rich history.
Not looking at anything in depth, That's you all over. Believe is some amazing union that happened over night. Probably thousands of soviets thought the Georgia was happy with their union too. And yet who is it mentioning Oil? NumberDne, that's all he can come out with, Starting to think it's you worried about loosing your North Sea. juice as your spraffing about it so often.
@Cybopath "Not looking at anything in depth, That's you all over"
Are you some sort of parrot or something? Why the fuck do you keep using my lines? Now i definately know that your belief in and strength of your arguments is weak.
Im doin something else at the moment so il get back to you.
And still you make yourself look stupid by pretending that the seperatist movement is not mentioned as being driven by oil and natural resources.
"worried about loosing your North Sea juice"
Mate, you need to work out the figures for annual income from oil and compare that to the annuall gdp of the UK, or even just the GDP of England alone and see how small the oil is of the annual England gdp. Its not very much.
I'll second that, I know plenty of Scottish Soldiers who are not die hard unionist. Especielly ex Royal-Scots who saw their entire Regiment reduced to a Battalion a kick in the side of the oldest Scottish Regiment. I have relatives in 2 Scots who have gone out their way to overshadow the union flag on their uniforms with a St. Anderws.
@Cybopath "out their way to overshadow the union flag on their uniforms"
Without the UK millitary muscle, your seperatist armed forces would be a completely insignificant small handfull of people, unable to defend yourselves against most of the small to medium strengthed armed forces in the world. Dont have delusions of grandure just because you have been part of one of the worlds leading millitaries for the past 300 years. Seperation would end any strength you had overnight.
Protection from what?? Only threats to Scotland are by the countries you poke with a stick. Considering Scots make up 14% of the Armed forces while barley making up 10% of the UK's population proving per head we'd instanly be better off and Scots make up nearly 50% of the Special Forces. 'Don't get delusions of grandure', oh no sir we keep cap in hand and bow down to big Anglo-Man. Me so thankful for sending our men to steal land from Africans and Asians, oh so proud.
@Cybopath " why focus on Ireland when the rest of the colonies that broke away from the U.K are doing so well?" The Ex colonies doing well ar not stuck alone in a corner of Europe. They have their own currencies which allow them 2 devalue when needed, they'r not stuck in th EU being bullied into debt by the EU, had Ireland stayed part of the UK they wouldn't be in this mess, in any case The UK could have easily bailed them out internally without surrendering all to th EU, just like RBS.
New Zealand a tiny island in the pacific ocean... and? The U.K could have bailed Ireland out? Well then they'd be bullied by the U.K then, Who have had plenty of practice.
6)"The EU will control Sco", the EU bullied Ireland into a Lisbon Treaty and Ireland are being bullied to take out loans by the EU so the Euro won't fold. The EU itself is a bully to small countries. The only real power of the European Union are The United Kingdom, France and Germany and sadly the rest are sucking of the EU's (British, French, Italian, German and Spanish) money that funds the EU. The European Union also controls oil funds. Scotland lies within a United Kingdom not the EU.
5)"Remember the British Empire", The British Empire was a great part of Scotland's and the rest of the United Kingdom's history but that alone is not why we must stay United. We are stronger United as one, that has been shown time and time again, if we look at the UK election it shows us that nearly 80% of Scots vote Unionist and %75 vote Unionist in the Scottish elections, Scots know where they are and that is within the United Kingdom. Support for the Union is strong!!
4)"This is not Braveheart" well, that is just stupid. The act of the Union is not selling out Scotland's identity, in-fact the Union was designed to preserve Scotland's National Identity. Everyone in the world knows of Scotland for the right reasons. The United Kingdom is a stable barrier for Scotland and also something larger and better for us all. We Scots support the UK, braveheart is a highly fictional film and insulting to Scottish history and any Scottish historian will tell you that.
3)"Just look are Ireland's economy", well yes just look at it, it was the "Celtic Tiger" by Salmond, and Mr Salmond claimed Scotland could; "join Ireland in an ark of prosperity", no thank you I'd rather have a stable economy than a collapsed one. Ireland has the highest Debt Per Capita in Europe, their credit rating is downgraded and while the UK's GDP Per Capita grew this and last year Ireland's is falling. Let's look at Greece, Portugal, Iceland and Ireland they all dependent on the EU.
2) I don't know what you are trying to say by "Tories, Tories", though if you're saying that Scots vote Labour because of that then you are wrong, they would vote the SNP if they hated the tories so badly or in the most sensible case not vote for them (which we do not). Not only do Scots vote Unionist because they want to they can see the benefits of the Union itself and that alone is the key. Scots are not stupid my friend, we have our own mind and the Union is what we all benefit from.
1) "The oil will run out", Scotland's economy does heavily depend on oil to make a surplus and that was proven by the SNP's own findings. For an economy to solely base it's surplus on oil is crazy. Scotland itself is probably very dependent on it's natural resources. As said in the video, the oil will run out and economic stability will fail that is a fact. Economic stability is within the United Kingdom not Oil. The SNP base there economic findings on Oil, that is a big mistake.
these 8 reasons are much better than separatists 1 ball reason for breaking the union which is "oil, oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil. There is more to life than oil and money. That is why most Scots and English, Welsh and Northern irish don't want to break the UK and want to stay united. Strength in numbers, stronger together, weaker apart.
@aidanqn
'no merret EITHER' So your admiting it. Hope you voted on Thurs. Xxx
Cybopath 9 months ago
And your counterarguments are what? Phrases with no merit either?
aidanqn 9 months ago
Who says I was talking about the average Irishman? I'm pretty sure in talking about ireland as a whole. And Why exactly are you trolling nationalist videos? Incase you manage to convince someone with your unionist Scaremongering? It's always negativity with the average English unionist, like you. Why don't you poll your local mp on English matters and keep out of scottish matters for a change were all getting bored of your rhetoric.
riha85 10 months ago
@NumberDne the Irish economy is destroyed because they lived beyond their means and made shit choices not because they left the uk, Spain and Greece didn't leave the uk and they are the same as Ireland, so your point is mute to say the least. why don't you Piss off and bum up unionist videos instead of trolling nationalist videos, all your arguments are negative rubbish.
riha85 10 months ago
@riha85 Lived beyond their means? Go and tell that to the average Irish person who will tell you strait that they did not live beyond their means. They made the mistake of withdrawing from the pound to take up a euro currency which was created to choke smaller countries. Had they stayed part of the UK then the UK could have bailed them out internally without surrendering all to the EU.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne So really they would still need a bailout due to mis-management.
riha85 3 months ago
Come Scotland. Come with us.
jordan8445 11 months ago
@jordan8445, Come with Ireland? a bankrupt dump incapable of dealing with it's own money thus depending on the European Union, the United Kingdom and International Monetary Fund to bail you out. Give me a break, no country in the world would model themselves of the Failed Republic of Ireland, I have had loads of Irish come to me tell me they wish to have the British pound back, Ireland has failed itself and its people.
97kcoats 11 months ago
@97kcoats
You might want to notice that the trillions of debt the UK is in dwarfs the debt we have. Refusing to speak about it doesn't make it go away. What is it now, 40,000 per UK household?
jordan8445 11 months ago
@jordan8445 Ofcourse the Debt we have Dwarfs yours. as does the USA's Italy's France's etc debt also dwarfs yours, Thats because our economy and gdp dwarfs your economy and GDP. The crucial difference is that we have triple A status and dont need to beg the IMF, and EU for bailout money. We are good to pay our debt back, you are not.
"the debt is nothing" LOL, if its nothing then why coudn't your so called '460 billion natural gas' pay it back?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@jordan8445, What is now 500 thousand per Irish household, Ireland's debt per capita is way above that ov the United Kingdom. The UK is economically bigger there for more suitable to deal with its debt. Since the UK has a bigger population than Ireland we can easily control our economy while the EU controls your interest rates! You're country is over.
97kcoats 11 months ago
@97kcoats
If Irelands debt was 500,000 per household, there'd only be 1,600 houses. You're not very, smart, are you?
jordan8445 11 months ago
@jordan8445 ROFL @ "Come Scotland. Come with us." Come with ireland where? to economic oblivion?
What a funny statement. LOL
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
We have 460 billion in natural gas. That is whats known as a commodity. That debt is nothing. You know, you being a 'Unionist' is akin to a Frenchman wishing to be German. Quite pathetic and sad, really.
jordan8445 11 months ago
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@jordan8445 Lol @ "Ireland have 460 billion in natural gas" you really are giving me jokes today. its not gas you need, what you need is to stop all your youth from moving out of Ireland due to lack of jobs and oportunities.
"being a 'Unionist' is akin to a Frenchman wishing to be German"
Wrong again buddy, because Being a British unionist is exactly a British man/woman being a British man/woman.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@jordan8445 "Ireland has 460 billion in natural gas" LOL
What you need is to stop the thousands of Irish youth fleeing from Ireland due to lack of jobs and oportunities not gas.
"you being a 'Unionist' is akin to a Frenchman wishing to be German"
wrong again mate. Because being a British unionist is not akin to, but is exactly a British man or woman BEING a British man or woman.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@97kcoats & @NumberDne
Thank's for your pointless comments underlines the fact that every brainwashed unionist trys to turn any argument about an independent Scotland into an argument about Oil and Braveheart. Hey thank god NumberDne can't vote on the upcoming elections because he lives in another country, 97K I highly advise you go join him.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath There is no need for 97kcoats to join me in England because we live in the same country, the UK. thats why we all don't need a passport to travel between UK nations Thats why our UK millitary fight and die for each other. And deny it all you like, but your main reason for wanting to break up the UK simply comes down to oil. As for Braveheart, i will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not gullible enough to let that fictitious movie sway your thoughts.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Oh so you'll be voting for Scottish Labour in the upcoming Scottish Elections then.....?
I'm not denying anything If I did why would I be wanting to CHANGE the UK? If I had what I wanted I wouldn't be upset. Weirdly enough you two have what you want and still winge. Oh I guess because Scotland hasn't fully given in to becoming another region like Cornwall it bothers you.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath "Thank's for your pointless comments"
LOL, you know full well that you by far got out-debated. and that is because you only have one argument or should i say "1 ball argument" which is oil. It is far better to have 8 "ball" arguments rather than only a 1 ball argument..
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
You realise what a fool you make out of yourself by constantly mentioning oil, a subject I never brought up. Your so called out-debating consists of turning the argument into another argument you can win. I.E Oil or past wars. I don't really care about oil, I don't plan on changing our national anthem to "Oh Oil of Scotland." But please do continue to make a fictional verson of me in your head to argue with.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath LOL, oK, I said to you, "deny it all you like, but your main reason for wanting to break up the UK simply comes down to oil."
At which point you said "I'm not denying anything"
And then you immediately contradict yourself by saying "I don't really care about oil"
LOL, You are trying so hard to try and force yourself to believe that its not about the oil, LOL, You really do amuse me i must say, and i dont meen that as an insult, honestly, you really give me jokes.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Why do you believe it has anything to do with oil again, you are the one who brings it up in an attempt to create at sterotype to argue with. You alomst believe that Scotland forgot all about their country in 1707 untill oil was discovered in the 1970's and someone said hey remember when we used to have a country? Oh Yea Scot-Land or something it was called.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath Again u dont fail to amuse me.
"You alomst believe that Scotland forgot all about their country in 1707 untill oil was discovered"
Did i not just say to u that "Scotland's identity has always been strong within the union"?
Does my statement sound like me believing that "Scotland forgot all about their country in 1707."??
No it does not. & about oil i say 2 u again, deny it all you like, but your main reason for breaking UK comes down 2 oil. Whats yo reply gonna be this time?
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Oh well if you say it enough times maybe it'll be true. Just maybe. Yep nationalisim only exists when oil is involved. That's why Ireland left The UK, that's why All the colonies campaigned for indepenence. There where no Scottish nationalists till the 1970's. I mean Sure I'm going to benefit directly from oil in an Independent Scotland, yep the barrons are gonna come over to my house and indugle my greed. I have a huge poster of an oil rig on my wall as speak.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath know what? That is a very good point you make there. Ireland did leave the UK, but look where Ireland is now having left the UK, Ireland now does not have enough MEP's and does not have enough clout to have any voice on the billions of pounds of debt which is being thrust apon it. Brother, you know what i thinkl? I think that you should also take advantage of being the 4 or 3rd strongest largest economy in the world. We are the UK, The UK is strong, so why strive to be weak?????
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
The Irish Republic was established in the 1920's can't exactly blame their economey on that and lets not kid ourselves on why they left, however why focus on Ireland when the rest of the colonies that broke away from the U.K are doing so well? Also if you believe that Scotland is weak without the U.K then you believe The rest of the U.K would be better off by defininition the U.K is weaker with us then. So you should be glad to see the lumpy 'region' with all the moany people leave.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath "U.K would be better off by defininition the U.K is weaker with us then So you should be glad to see the lumpy 'region' with all the moany people leave,"
See this is the point. The majority of us in the UK dont want to break the union, because we dont look at it as losing out or gaining. We look at it as being one, united as a family after our years of seperation, war and squabbling. The so called "seperatist moany people" are a small minority of the UK population.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath "yep the barrons are gonna come over to my house and indugle my greed."
Again, your sarcasm just highlights the weakness of your arguments.
And you are still trying to convince yourself that its not about oil, even after already fully admitting to me that you do not deny that it is about oil.
And yes, Any serious movement for breaking the UK came after oil was found, And you know that. Before the oil, the movement was akin to that of Brittany breaking from France.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath "The Irish Republic was established in the 1920's can't exactly blame their economey on that"
Yes you can blame that on them leaving the UK. Stuck all alone in the far corner of europe, Ireland had it good being part of a big country which couldn't be pushed around by the EU. They were not part of the monsterous euro currency which was pretty much designed to choke smaller countries such as Ireland, Greece and now also Portugal.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath And u can go on trying 2 dig up as many reasons for breaking the UK other than oil, but th fact is that theres no reason for destroying the UK because devolution has insured that the strong identities of Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland arn't over shadowed by the more populous England. This gives us the benefit of keeping identity & control over local issues, while joining together at UK level to b stronger, carry more clout, much like the provinces or states in Canada & USA.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
And you are against that as you have said yourself you hate these identities, you'd rather us rebelious Scots got with the programme, Sacrificed our National sports teams, culture, tongue, religion no doubt, so we can some along as the good little Anglified County you want us to be. And you reduce Scotland to a State... a State like Texas. Thanks.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath As usual chattin more garbage "Sacrificed our National sports teams, culture, tongue, religion no doubt"
So when the fuck did i ever say that i want Scotland 2 Sacrificed National sports teams, culture, tongue, religion?
I dont know how many times people must say something 2 u til you get it, because i clearly stated to you that Scotlands Identity has always been strong in the Union and that devolution secures that identity. Are you blind or something, am i typing in Russian??
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath So please tell me which "identities" did i say that i hate? please tell me coz i dont know which identities i said that i hate.
"Anglified County"
When did i ever say that i want Scotland to be an anglified county? I applaud the fact that the UK has rich diversity, and differences accepted across the UK.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath Ireland left the UK because Ireland was not really ever part of the Mother country, Just like all the other ex colonies. The mother country being Britain. That is why, i think it was mostly, (not 100 % sure could be wrong) that it was mostly Scottish and also some English and afew Welsh that moved over to populate Northern Ireland and hold it to this very day, Proudly displaying there pride in being British.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne, What mother country are you refering to? There has never been a mother country that broke up into Scotland, Wales, England and Northern ireland. Its always been seperate countries and was packaged up in a Union with English overlordship, just like the English have done for centuries the only difference now is they are not raping and pillaging their bribing idiots.
riha85 10 months ago
@riha85 The oil drives you seperatists barmey, forgetting the journey we have been on together from war, seperation and bickering to peace, togetherness and unity. You face value seperatists would sell your own mothers for a price. Good job the majority in Scotland are not greedy face value separatists but are good willed decent British citizens, who look beyond the oil, at the amaizing and eventfull journey we have had, finally turning our seperation and war into unity and peace.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Whats so great about this union? More or less racketeering "Scotland you join us and we'll stop invading and cutting off your trade roots, then we can go invade some other poor countries together, We know loads. We'll invade, steal their land, kindnap their people and sell them as slaves, oh what fun."
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath " that's why you have a big paragraph of love about William of Orange on your profile. Typical Orange royalist" im starting to think that you actually are a bitter Irish republican who hates the UK just because rep of Ireland left the UK and is now economicaly destroyed because of leaving the UK and is trying to drag Scotland down the same path. As i said, the UK is one of the world's leading economies. Ireland is not one of them, Is that where you want Scotland to be too?
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Eh no Pal I'm fae East Scotland, Funny how you English confuse all the little celtic countries. All the same to you no doubt. You realise how much it sounds like you have the 8 ball it's so Ironic, Look at Ireland, Oil Oil Oil... What's next? Bring Sean Conney's tax doging into the convo for complete non-argument.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath I didnt get anyone confused, what i said is you are starting to sound like an irish republican.
In any case, its great that you have made these 8 very good points as to why you seperatists are bad for Scotland. As for Sean Connery, i have no idea what your talking about.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@riha85 " What mother country are you refering to"
If you dont know which mother country i am refering to, then just look at your own you tube page. The place which says " Country: - United Kindom.
"English overlordship" Only seperatists create this feeling of "English overlordship" in their minds . The rest of us in the UK enjoy and take advantage of being equalls in one of the word's greatest countries, the UK
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Lol yea the rest of the UK being England.
Cybopath 10 months ago
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@Cybopath " Lol yea the rest of the UK being England"
Err no actually just as i said, the rest of the UK being the rest of the UK.
NumberDne 10 months ago
"Whats so great about this union? More or less racketeering "Scotland you join us and we'll stop invading and cutting off your trade roots, then we can go invade some other poor countries together"
LOL, you really do live in the past mate, your talking about invading poor countries etc? we are not in the 19th century any more mate we have moved on from there. What is great about the union today is that we are one of the world's leading economies and greatest countries. i call that great.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath "every brainwashed unionist trys to turn any argument about an independent Scotland into an argument about Oil & Braveheart."
The independence movement is caused by greedy, seperatists who have been driven barmey about oil, and have subconsciously used braveheart as a historical basis for wanting to revert back to the 1300s when there was seperation and bickering on this island. I don't need 2 turn any argument about independence into oil & braveheart, it is already about that.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Yea NumberDne you go ahead and believe that sterotype you created. The thing is I can easily spray out unionist sterotype, I could believe that your a moronic fundamentalist royalist in who believes in the union purley because of religion and William of Orange...
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath The so called "stereotype" about the seperatist movement being driven by oil is not a stereotype but is actually true, as you have already admitted that you do not deny that the seperatist movement is about oil. Religion and william of Orange do not even enter my mind when refering to the Union. The catholic church's shamefull peadophilic record has ensured that any British argument supporting the catholic church is basically a non starter.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Sure it doesn't numberone, that's why you have a big paragraph of love about William of Orange on your profile. Typical Orange royalist, Anglican is just as corrupt as the Catholic church, just a different head. Presbyterian a completly different religion was by far the most free from corruption. But being Agnostic it enters my mind very little unlike you. Blether on about oil all you want it's clear you are an actual sterotype, hypocrite.
Cybopath 10 months ago
8)"Scotland Can't survive", I nor anyone is saying Scotland can't survive, it could with support from the European Union and International Monetary Fund, though I would rather Scotland's Debt Per Capita be lower than Ireland and I would rather be in a more stable economy than breaking the Union and risking economic stability, Salmond himself knows this and it's one of the reasons the SNP have gone very quiet over "Independence", Salmond is not stupid, he himself is keeping hush on the matter.
97kcoats 11 months ago
@97kcoats & yes i agree that all of our UK nations could survive alone, But its one thing to just survive And it is another better greater thing to be stronger united. & the video says "dont mention that the EU also controls the UK", well yes it does, but only in the way that it also controls Germany & France. But the UK, Germany and France are the Big 3 which pretty much have the biggest influence in the EU. The small countries like Ireland Greece etc just follow and are dictated to.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne, I agree mate!
97kcoats 11 months ago
7)"Sco is a State like Texas", well no, Scotland is more than a state like Texas for more than one reason, we have a National identity within the United Kingdom Texans don't in a United State, people are over the world know the Scottish people and Scotland. The United Kingdom keeps Scotland's Identity while being in the United Kingdom and that is a fact, that is why Scots feel Independent is obsolete and irrelevant in modern day society! The United Kingdom will always be in Scotland's heart.
97kcoats 11 months ago
@97kcoats extremely valid points you raised here. It amuses me how seperatists try to agrue for breaking the union by raising these 8 good points which actually are all good reasons for the union to be maintained. Further more it also hilights the separatist 1 ball reason which is just oil. LOL. 8 good reasons to keep us united against 1 reason to break us. Even a child at 5 years of age can work out that 8 is a bigger number than 1.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@97kcoats
Scotland's identity strengthened in spite of the union, not because of it. Sheer fear of being anglified into just anouther english county is what caused so many Scots to embrace Sterotypes.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath Scotland's identity has always been strong within the union, as has Welsh, English and northern Irish under the Unifying force which is the UK. What has changed, is that oil has been found in the North sea 40 years ago causing greedy seperatists to slither out of the grass and into open view. The snp and Alex salmond being the seperatist's snakes head.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@Cybopath And the way you can tell that this snake's movement is driven solely about oil, is the fact that for 300 years we have enjoyed the most happy, peacefull and successful time on this Island after our centuries of war and squabbles, and only at the point when oil is found, only then, is there a serious movement by the greedy seperatist snake.
"don't plan on changing our national anthem to "Oh Oil of Scotland"
Boy you really are struggling to find any decent arguments.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
That's funny that you should create the notion that their's been non stop peace since the Union, here's some times that happened since the act of union. There was massive protests throught Scotland the day after it was signed, over 60% of Scots could not vote. The Highland Clearances. Jacobite rising (Cullodon). Act of Proscription.....
Cybopath 10 months ago
@NumberDne
If you really want to talk about oil and UK Armed forces then lets talk about the illegal war in Iraq? Where many Scottish troops die, because a British Primeminister jumped into bed with an American President for....OIL.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath "British Primeminister jumped into bed with an American President for....OIL"
Yes but i think you need to add "a Scottish, British Prime minister." Its funny how anything negative you are happy to call it British, but then at the same time you then try talk about Britain not being an entity and Scotland standing alone.
In any case, The UK millitary is one of the world's greatest and all our soldiers from all nations in the UK want to keep it that way by staying united.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne I know lots of Soldiers that do not want to stay part of the UK and would prefer independence. Unless you have polled every soldier then your only talking from a sample of people which falsifies your argument. And Westminister can keep Gordon Brown, he looks like somones went to work on him with a meat tenderising hammer, and not to mention his complete incapability to string a sentence together.
riha85 10 months ago
@riha85 "I know lots of Soldiers that do not want to stay part of the UK and would prefer independence"
I take it u also know lots of SPL players who would rather play in the second division.
And i wasn't even talking about Gordon Brown. And in any case, what do his looks have to do with anything? Thats the problem with you seperatists, always looking at everything at face value. No depth to u whatsoever. Thats why simple oil drives you all barmy forgetting the UK's rich history.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Not looking at anything in depth, That's you all over. Believe is some amazing union that happened over night. Probably thousands of soviets thought the Georgia was happy with their union too. And yet who is it mentioning Oil? NumberDne, that's all he can come out with, Starting to think it's you worried about loosing your North Sea. juice as your spraffing about it so often.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath "Not looking at anything in depth, That's you all over"
Are you some sort of parrot or something? Why the fuck do you keep using my lines? Now i definately know that your belief in and strength of your arguments is weak.
Im doin something else at the moment so il get back to you.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@Cybopath "And yet who is it mentioning Oil? "
And still you make yourself look stupid by pretending that the seperatist movement is not mentioned as being driven by oil and natural resources.
"worried about loosing your North Sea juice"
Mate, you need to work out the figures for annual income from oil and compare that to the annuall gdp of the UK, or even just the GDP of England alone and see how small the oil is of the annual England gdp. Its not very much.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@riha85
I'll second that, I know plenty of Scottish Soldiers who are not die hard unionist. Especielly ex Royal-Scots who saw their entire Regiment reduced to a Battalion a kick in the side of the oldest Scottish Regiment. I have relatives in 2 Scots who have gone out their way to overshadow the union flag on their uniforms with a St. Anderws.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath "out their way to overshadow the union flag on their uniforms"
Without the UK millitary muscle, your seperatist armed forces would be a completely insignificant small handfull of people, unable to defend yourselves against most of the small to medium strengthed armed forces in the world. Dont have delusions of grandure just because you have been part of one of the worlds leading millitaries for the past 300 years. Seperation would end any strength you had overnight.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
Protection from what?? Only threats to Scotland are by the countries you poke with a stick. Considering Scots make up 14% of the Armed forces while barley making up 10% of the UK's population proving per head we'd instanly be better off and Scots make up nearly 50% of the Special Forces. 'Don't get delusions of grandure', oh no sir we keep cap in hand and bow down to big Anglo-Man. Me so thankful for sending our men to steal land from Africans and Asians, oh so proud.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath " why focus on Ireland when the rest of the colonies that broke away from the U.K are doing so well?" The Ex colonies doing well ar not stuck alone in a corner of Europe. They have their own currencies which allow them 2 devalue when needed, they'r not stuck in th EU being bullied into debt by the EU, had Ireland stayed part of the UK they wouldn't be in this mess, in any case The UK could have easily bailed them out internally without surrendering all to th EU, just like RBS.
NumberDne 10 months ago
@NumberDne
New Zealand a tiny island in the pacific ocean... and? The U.K could have bailed Ireland out? Well then they'd be bullied by the U.K then, Who have had plenty of practice.
Cybopath 10 months ago
6)"The EU will control Sco", the EU bullied Ireland into a Lisbon Treaty and Ireland are being bullied to take out loans by the EU so the Euro won't fold. The EU itself is a bully to small countries. The only real power of the European Union are The United Kingdom, France and Germany and sadly the rest are sucking of the EU's (British, French, Italian, German and Spanish) money that funds the EU. The European Union also controls oil funds. Scotland lies within a United Kingdom not the EU.
97kcoats 11 months ago
5)"Remember the British Empire", The British Empire was a great part of Scotland's and the rest of the United Kingdom's history but that alone is not why we must stay United. We are stronger United as one, that has been shown time and time again, if we look at the UK election it shows us that nearly 80% of Scots vote Unionist and %75 vote Unionist in the Scottish elections, Scots know where they are and that is within the United Kingdom. Support for the Union is strong!!
97kcoats 11 months ago
4)"This is not Braveheart" well, that is just stupid. The act of the Union is not selling out Scotland's identity, in-fact the Union was designed to preserve Scotland's National Identity. Everyone in the world knows of Scotland for the right reasons. The United Kingdom is a stable barrier for Scotland and also something larger and better for us all. We Scots support the UK, braveheart is a highly fictional film and insulting to Scottish history and any Scottish historian will tell you that.
97kcoats 11 months ago
3)"Just look are Ireland's economy", well yes just look at it, it was the "Celtic Tiger" by Salmond, and Mr Salmond claimed Scotland could; "join Ireland in an ark of prosperity", no thank you I'd rather have a stable economy than a collapsed one. Ireland has the highest Debt Per Capita in Europe, their credit rating is downgraded and while the UK's GDP Per Capita grew this and last year Ireland's is falling. Let's look at Greece, Portugal, Iceland and Ireland they all dependent on the EU.
97kcoats 11 months ago
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NumberDne 11 months ago
2) I don't know what you are trying to say by "Tories, Tories", though if you're saying that Scots vote Labour because of that then you are wrong, they would vote the SNP if they hated the tories so badly or in the most sensible case not vote for them (which we do not). Not only do Scots vote Unionist because they want to they can see the benefits of the Union itself and that alone is the key. Scots are not stupid my friend, we have our own mind and the Union is what we all benefit from.
97kcoats 11 months ago
1) "The oil will run out", Scotland's economy does heavily depend on oil to make a surplus and that was proven by the SNP's own findings. For an economy to solely base it's surplus on oil is crazy. Scotland itself is probably very dependent on it's natural resources. As said in the video, the oil will run out and economic stability will fail that is a fact. Economic stability is within the United Kingdom not Oil. The SNP base there economic findings on Oil, that is a big mistake.
97kcoats 11 months ago
these 8 reasons are much better than separatists 1 ball reason for breaking the union which is "oil, oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil. There is more to life than oil and money. That is why most Scots and English, Welsh and Northern irish don't want to break the UK and want to stay united. Strength in numbers, stronger together, weaker apart.
NumberDne 11 months ago
Brilliant
jigasauras 11 months ago