MoonFaker: Exhibit D: Critique #22B: What the Soviets Did...

[harolze]

Yeh, all those concipiracy delusionists have paranoidic schizophrenia. They belong to asylum. Or they are just clever conman who deliberatery lie - knowing: There are always lunatics who buy their crap. Hope you didn't buy that "book" - waste of money - and asshole get rich.

Btw my idea: Scan that kind of books and put them freely on web and you deserve public service medal, cos' that will hurt "the author" most.

[PuNkRoCkRuLz1]

BRAVO!

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

Do you understand what Dr Blaklely is referring to. Tell me in your own words what she is tlaking about.

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

It is useless to debate this with you there you nor I have no authority on this subject lukequixotesanjose. But like I offered philweb I will offer you to join me and ask this question to ESA, and all other leading space agencies. Lets see what they know about the van Allen belts and space radiation. Your change to stop the whisper lukequixotesanjose.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

No authority... now, in your own words, what was Blaklely referring to. tell me in your own words. She was talking about GCR in the SAA. What are GCR Awe. Are they hadronic or leptonic matter. Do they interact via the strong or weak force? What are the fragmentation products? How do the GCR differ from the electrons in the outer van Allen belt awe? Tell me, do you undertsnad QCD and QED? What is Moller scattering? What is bremstrahlung? Can you answer these questions awe?

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

Do you claim authority lukequixotesanjose? Can I see some of your publications on the ionosphere belt or space radiation before we go on please?

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

Have you any qualifications in this subject? If not, then by your own logic, you, Jarrah, SD02, un4, S/V and all the other of you nut jobs have no place making comment either do you? Now, I have a PhD in astrophysics. What qualifications do you have?

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

Now, again... what was Blaklely referring to. tell me in your own words. She was talking about GCR in the SAA. What are GCR Awe. Are they hadronic or leptonic matter. Do they interact via the strong or weak force? What are the fragmentation products? How do the GCR differ from the electrons in the outer van Allen belt awe? Tell me, do you undertsnad QCD and QED? What is Moller scattering? What is bremstrahlung? Can you answer these questions awe?

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

I claim more auhority than you. Now, can you answer my questions regarding particle interactions in the SAA and how the radiation physics of the SAA differs. Yes or no. There's no bullying going on. I am testing the veracity of your claims, and the depth of your understanding. So, in you own words, what was Blakely describing. There's no bluff here, not from me at least. Let's hear YOU explain it. LEt's hear the whisper become a whimper. Go on AWE130, whimper for us all.

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

I see you have no credentials but still claim authority? Once I met a professor how was not a professor, when he was confronted with it he said, but I have more authority than you. I have not heard from him in any way in a long time, I wonder what he is up to? lukequixotesanjose, not to be funny but if you have no credentials, that is what Phil Plait calls "bad science" and I agree with him.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

Blakel;y, in your own words. Show us that YOU know what you are talking about. Quit stalling.

[Rob260259]

@awe130

Sheesh... you're a real callcentre stereotype. A Dutch callcentre stereotype, that is.

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

Show your credentials luke, don't bully people.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

In you own words, can you explain what Blakely was talking about? Demostrate your credentials, don't merely show them. A person who is credentialed can argue their point. So argue your point. What was Blakely talking about. It is you who are quoting here, not me.

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

You are trying to bully people luke, I never claimed any credentials. But Dr James van Allen has some, and I can proof beyond doubt that he after ten years of study, was still "convinced" that the van Allen belts would "fry" the Apollo 8 crew. There you can not show any credentials on this subject you leave me no other option than to ignore your ungrounded claims of the ionosphere belts and there radiation.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

So you have no credentials, yet seem to think it is OK to accuse others of fraud. Surely you must have know what you are talking about before you accuse others of fraud? In your own words, Blakely? Do you know what Blakely is talking about.

[ytmoog]

@awe130

"But Dr James van Allen has some..."

Indeed and it is very clear from what he said that he knew the hoax radiation claims were 'nonsense'. (He even used that word to describe them).

He even worked on the trajectory taken by the Apollo missions himself.

I will take his word over yours.

I would like you to show one single Physicist who has published calculations showing that a lethal radiation dose could be received in one hour within any part of the VABs.

A link would be fine.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

You are right we need to believe Dr van Allen. Have you seen my video Question NASA Apollo 8, I doubt it. Just have a look and you see what I mean. I have proof that Dr van Allen was still in 1968 "convinced" that the Apollo 8 crew would get "fried", that is stated by the Apollo 8 crew.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

No you do not, you have proof that you have very little understanding and are excellent at taking things people say out of context.

But this has been made clear many times.

No scientist has 'ever' shown that less than one hours exposure to the most dangerous regions of the VABs can be in any way dangerous to an astronaut.

In over 50 years of study by many countries and hundreds of scientists.

Reality to you.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

I see you do disagree with Dr van Allen who after a ten year study still was convinced that they would get fried? I believe Dr van Allen not you!

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

No I am fully in agreement with his statement that your claim is 'nonsense'.

And I am still waiting for the link.

Come on.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

Watch "Question NASA Apollo 8"

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

I guess that is a no then.

Amazing isn't it how intensely many Physicists from many countries have studied the VABs over the last 50 years.

Yet not a single one is willing to publish calculations showing a short duration in them to be lethal.

That is what I am after, actual 'evidence'. Not your quote mining and ignorance.

And that is exactly what you don't have.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

Dr van Allen ten years of study 1958 till 1968 and still we was "convinced" the Apollo 8 crew would get "fried". You just refuse to watch my video? Was it not the vatican priests that didn't want to look true Galileo's telescope, they where sure there was nothing to find out!

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

So where is the link to his paper he published stating that.

You do have it right?

Because none of his papers from the time that I have read support such a position.

Come on.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

It comes from the Apollo 8 crew, have you watched the video Galileo.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Stop dodging and answer the question.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

Well you don't seem to understand what I talking about!

When you watch my video you will hear the Apollo 8 crew confirm my point, that Dr van Allen in 1968 was "convinced" that they would get "fried". This are not my words but of the Apollo 8 crew. I do not care if you disagree with the Apollo 8 crew but just let me know for the record.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Stop dodging and answer the question.

Or is it hopeless to expect any honesty or integrity from you?

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

Ten year of studying by Dr van Allen, you can not ignore that fact any more after my video Question NASA Apollo 8.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

Why can't you explain the technical details of van Allen's work in your own words li-awe. Please explain in your own words.

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

First find out why radiation in space is more harmful luke. And can you act as an adult and just call me by my youtube name. Thank you

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

I will call you by your youtube name once you begin to play on a level playing field li-awe. I will also call you by your YouTube name once you withdraw your APollo8 video, as you have lied and cheated by using slective editing li-awe. Now, explain in your words why space radiation is more harmful. Tell me what YOU know about it, then we can have the debate. Why are you afraid. I thought you wanted the truth li-awe.

[ytmoog]

@awe130

First demonstrate that the VAB radiation is more harmful than any scientist or satellite has ever shown it to be.

Do that.. then answer the question.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

You just jump around from question to question. I just wanted to droof with my Question NASA Apollo8 video that Dr James van Allen still was "convinced".

just stay with the subject.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

No, van Allen was not convinced, he was concerned... those two things are differenet. You've had it explained to you that they were concerend they 'got fried'. Got is past tense, which implies that van Allen recognises they made it throught the belts. you have quote mined and taken words out of context. Now explain in you own words why radiation would have made the Apollo missions prohibitive.

[ytmoog]

@awe130

No, I still have the same question.

Show me one paper by one physicist from any country any time in the last 40 years which shows that a short duration in the VABs would give an astronaut a dangerous radiation dose.

A paper by Van Allen would be ideal.

Why is this so hard for you to show actual evidence?

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

Question NASA Apollo 8, is a good start for you there the Apollo 8 is stating that Dr van Allen was convince they would be fried. Or do you think Apollo 8 crew is lying ytmoog?

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Still no answer. Oh well.

Your video is an excellent example of quote mining and creative editing on your part.

I want actual evidence not your dishonesty.

In other words, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

One paper by any physicist from any country in the last 40 years.

[lukequixotesanjose]

@lie-awe

You have had it explained to you. You edited the video, and took a quote of context. Now, in your own words, explain space radiation to us all. Why did it prohibit the moon landings. You are not being very truthful for a twoof seeker are you? Do you get a buzz out of this lie-awe? I think you are boring and tedious, and I really hope you go away soon, even it that is your own choice or the choice of NASA? Wink wink lie-awe, wink-wink ;) Cioa lie-awe.

[awe130]

@lukequixotesanjose,

Well luke philweb just confirmed my point, so please go find out what space radiation is and feel free to come back and give me some good arguments. Also you are going to far with name calling and for that reason only I will debate you any more till you can show some respect to other people. It is not the first time Luke, that people tell you this. Respect is the base Luke, so I hope you can that.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

You show no respect when you edit a film to your advantage, take words out context and claim past tense is used as evidence of current tense. You have no right to lecture others on respect. Now, tell us all why radiation would have rendered the Apollo missions prohibitive... in your own words. Can you do that li-awe? If not, why do you refuse to do so. Now, go get fucked you odious little twat.

[ytmoog]

@awe130

I am not interested in your quote mining.

Now answer the question.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

ten years of study by Dr van Allen and he still was convinced that the apollo 8 crew would be fried. What is there so difficult to understand?

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Stop dodging and answer the question.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

I also had no words the first time I heard the Apollo 8 crew saying this.

just take your time buddy.

Peace to you

[lukequixotesanjose]

@markjh2005

Because that would mean the whisper ends in Awe whimpering in the corner as he is taken apart.

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

I'm responding to you taking Dr Blakely out of context. Why do you insist taking her out of context when I have told you several times that she is referring to high energy cosmic rays in the SAA? That's the question on the table, don't change the subject. If you want to talk about theories being wrong or right, you might like to get the basics right first. Now, fuck off you tiresome cunt. Sorry Phil, but AWE's opinion has expired. Can you put a bolt through his head?

[awe130]

I just found out there is even more wrong I your transcript? I serious ask you to consider to take that comment away or rewrite it philweb anyone can see that your credibility is at stake philweb.

Peace to you

[philwebb59]

@awe130 My credibility has never been in question, my dear awe. At least I took a stab at attempting to write out what Borman was saying instead of hiding behind time codes like you do. You have been shown to be the great misinterpreter, the out-of-context taker, the seer of things not seeable, the maker-upper of things not believable, a dull witted conspiracist with a mind narrower than a needle. You do not question to find the truth, but to spew deception. And you're not very good at it.

[regjoe30]

@philwebb59, you bring it, but you should be a bit more respectful to the attempts made by russia. not so hash. they tried and failed. jarrah is an idiot, but no need to bring another bit of people down that really tried because one person had a moment or 10 of ignrorance

[philwebb59]

@regjoe30 Sorry. I really mean no disrespect to the former Soviets. They were every bit the hard worker as anyone on the world. For the most part, the proletariats got screwed. They were basically slaves to a corrupt Marxist aristocracy. Nobody trusted anybody in the upper echelons. It's surprising they kept the charade going for as long as they did. But if the workers knew what they were working on, if they could have taken pride in their work, things might have turned out differently.

[awe130]

@philwebb59,

Your credibility is now philweb, I also informed NASA about your shadowy behaviour on youtube and that you are a danger for NASA by attacking people that are not against NASA but just critical. Also you are constantly insulting of people is not something I believe that NASA wants to be associated with. I hope you understand why your credibility is damaged philweb. It is also a few people that surround you show the same behaviour andit seems you support it philweb.

Peace to you

[philwebb59]

@awe130 "Your credibility is now philweb." Um? Whatever. I'm glad you informed NASA about me. Maybe now they will quit treating me like one of you hoax conspiracists and answer my emails.

I don't recall insulting anyone. I do recall being annoyed with you on several occasions. While I expect to have to tell you you're wrong once or twice, after you ignore the facts and repeat the same ridiculous claim dozens of times after you've been shown you're wrong, that is the definition of stupidity.

[awe130]

@philwebb59,

Dr James van Allen was "convinced" that they would get "fried" philweb, What is there you want to proof me wrong with. I have proven this point beyond doubt by the Apollo 8 crew statement. I have proven to you and your friends that at least till 1968 the leading scientist Dr James van Allen was "convinced" that they would get "fried". Stop making your own theories based on speculation philweb and check the facts.

Peace to you

[awe130]

Dear philweb your transcript is incorrect ! Please listen again and please correct your transcript for the record. I will mark what you did wrong not to correct you but just to help you.

Borman: But interestingly enough, OF (is not said) all the scientists AND GI... (cut by NASATV), Dr. Van Allen was convinced we would get fried going through the INSIDE (is not said) of the ionosphere belt. This is only the first lines? You luck I see it so you can remove it or correct is philweb.

Peace to you

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #1

Dear awe. Thank you for sharing your source. That was big of you. After listening to the "more" original source, some of the words that didn't make sense are now perfectly clear. When you hear the entire portion of their interview, the reference to Dr. Van Allen takes on a whole new light. They were talking about when Borman got sick and threw up during the mission. They were already out in the ionosphere and Borman got sick. Read the following "more accurate" transcription below.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #2

Borman: About - oh, I don't know, about two or three - I might as well get this out of the way right now because it will come up sooner or later.

Anders: It came up.

[Laughter]

Borman: I began to feel funny.

Anders: I tell you it wasn't a bit funny.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #3

Borman: You know, Jim Lovell and I had flown for two weeks (on board Gemini 7), and I'd never gotten sick, I'd never been sick in an airplane, but I really wasn't feeling too good. And so I managed to throw up all over 'em. And that caused great consternation back on earth when - Anders wanted to squeal on me. I wouldn't let him - so finally he dumped it on the tape and they read about it - eight hours later.

[Laughter]

Anders: I covered his tail for eight hours.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #4

Borman: But, interestingly enough, all the scientists, and [garbled] Dr. Van Allen was convinced that we got fried going through his ionosphere belt. This, and now (?) the doctors were going nuts and we were wondering - as if we - we - they couldn't decide whether or not they were going to abort the mission. They didn't have much to say about it really then.

[Laughter]

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #5

Lovell: Frank. Frank, I have to tell you this right now, but we were going to the moon regardless of what happened to you.

Anders: Exactly.

Webb: Rest assured, my dear awe, that your credibility is not in question. We know exactly which side of the post you hitch your horse to. You totally misinterpreted Borman's words -- totally ripping them out of context -- just as I figured you did.

[apollotls]

Phil, Phil, you are so wrong !

Wrong ! Wrong ! Wrong !

The soviets couldn't fake a lunar landing because they didn't have photoshop back then, whereas the US did !!

I heard they didn't have wires either ...

[regjoe30]

@apollotls, god forbid the russians ever engaged in industrial espionage.......

[apollotls]

@regjoe30

The Soviets would never have spied on the US.

It was part of the agreement for selling them wheat.

[GoneToPlaid]

@apollotls The Soviets continuously spied on the US throughout the entire existence of the Soviet Union.

[philwebb59]

@apollotls [take two] Crap! You're absolutely right. The Soviets' had like five first version Atari's back in the sixties. The U.S. could do star wars type effects with their Univac computers running Fortran and Cobol, and the Soviets could do little more than play Frogger.

[Rob260259]

Thanks Phil. Very clear and solid. And I learned a lot.

[philwebb59]

@Rob260259 Thank you Rob.

[markjh2005]

I have enjoyed your informative series and have learnt many things from it. Thanks Phil.

[philwebb59]

@markjh2005 De nada.

[awe130]

4:30 you ignore the Apollo 8 crew that stated the same fear of radiation by NASA scientists and Dr van Allen himself. By this fact the Russian claim is supported by the Apollo 8 crew and in there words many NASA scientists and Dr van Allen. Your information at 4:30 is incomplete for that matter.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Fear is not a rational emotion, but it excellent for those spreading misinformation.

The facts however show no basis to those fears.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

It is not me that states this fear but the top people of NASA according the Apollo 8 crew. If I understand you correct you state that all this top people from NASA where wrong at that time?

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

No I'm stating that you are incorrect about the basis of the 'fear'.

That you are inflating it to unrealistic proportions because fear is useful for propogating misinformation.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

It is the Apollo 8 crew that states the fear of NASA scientists and Dr van Allen. It is not my fear in that matter. If you think that it is "propagating/misinformation" you must ask the Apollo 8 crew why they made this statement about the top scientists and doctors of NASA.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

No, I think it is 'your' misinformation.

For example Dr. Van Allen described the radiation claims as 'nonsense'.

But you are of course going to ignore reality and evidence.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

"Dr. Van Allen described the radiation claims as 'nonsense'."

That may well be true but where does the Apollo 8 crew fit into this story. Telling us that Doctors and Dr van Allen where so worried about the Apollo 8 mission that they wanted to abort the Apollo 8 mission. Watch Question NASA Apollo 8 video.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

They don't. Van Allen was a strong critic of 'all' manned space flight.

Not because he was 'concerned' but because he thought it was a pointless waste of money. (Which may be true but is irrelevant)

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

In my video Question NASA Apollo8, it was not only Dr van Allen, did you watched my video?

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Like I said, I am not interested in your ignorance your dishonesty or your quote mining.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

It is okay to put your head in the Nevada dessert sand, but it will not take the Apollo 8 crew statement away.

Peace to you

[GoneToPlaid]

@awe130 The VABs are inherently dangerous if you stay in them for a long period of time. In particular, the central lobes of the VABs are significantly more dangerous compared to the outer regions of the VAB lobes. The Apollo moon shots both avoided the VAB central lobes and traversed the VAB outer lobes as quickly as possible, limiting VAB exposure to just a few hours. This was critical to do in order to make sure that the astronauts didn't suffer any short term effects from the VABs.

[ytmoog]

@GoneToPlaid

I'm sure that has been pointed out.

Certainly Dr. Van Allen stated that an astronaut would have to remain in the most powerful region of the inner VAB about one whole week in order to receive a lethal dose.

But I do not think awe is interested.

[awe130]

@GoneToPlaid,

see my comment to ytmoog.

Peace to you

[awe130]

@GoneToPlaid,

Sorry to react this late mate, to be honest nobody on this youtube channel is able to give a clear answer on the VAB I know a lot claim it but I will ask them to get there information confirmed by ESA NASA, or any other space agency. The claim you make about travelling the VAB outer lobes as quickly as possible. It seems that the VAB and the outer region could be more dangers as believed watch "Question NASA Van Allen Belts".

Peace to you

[philwebb59]

@awe130 So, you're saying that the VAB is like a donut. I mean like the sugar glaze is always on the outside perimeter of the donut, right, and the inside is always the last to get done. Maybe the radiation in the VAB is the same. The sun cooks the outside of the VAB and it has the most intense radiation. Too bad that theory doesn't hold water. You're wrong awe. Go look at Wikipedia. The VAB has been mapped out. The most intense radiation is in the softest part of the donut. Nice try, but wrong.

[GoneToPlaid]

@awe130 Search YouTube. There are several good videos about the VABs, including a couple of videos about Apollo 11's TLI trajectory through the VABs which show how the most intense and hazardous regions of the VABs were completely avoided. The most intense region in each VAB is a relatively thin torus where the majority of the radiation accumulates.

[awe130]

@GoneToPlaid,

I am aware of those theories GTP, but it does not add up. It is noboby less than Dr. Ellie Blakely that lift up a tip of the blanket. See Question NASA Dr. Ellie Blakely.

Peace to you

[Rob260259]

@awe130

"I am aware of those theories GTP"

Obviously you are not. They are FACTS, not theories.

And (I've asked you several times): did Dr. Blakely said the Moonlandings were fake?

[lukequixotesanjose]

@awe130

AWE, I have explained to you and everyone what Dr Blakely is talking about. She is talking about shielding in the SAA which is a region of high flux, high energy GCR. The outer van Allen belts where Apollo travelled are a lot different. Do you have ADD?

[Rob260259]

@awe130

Philwebb59: "You should really pack up your toys and go home."

Niet letterlijk nemen kerel. Gewoon videootjes blijven maken en vragen blijven stellen aan de NASA.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 But they went to the moon, awe. They went to the moon in Dec 1968, regardless of any statements made by Dr. Van Allen in 1958.

[awe130]

@philwebb59,

I see you don't need facts just a repeating mantra "we went to the moon". To regard Dr Van Allen's statement (claimed by Apollo8 crew) is outlandish philweb, Bad science into the extreme philweb.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

It is a bit hypocritical of you to talk of facts and science awe.

Your quote mining and ignorance qualify as neither.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

What I show is very difficult to take out of context ytmoog. There is a link to the interview in full length.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

Sorry, but I am not interested in your ignorance your dishonesty or your quote mining.

I am interested in the actual evidence from satellites and probes which have mapped the VABs and the lunar radiation environment.

I am interested in the proton flux in the inner VAB and the proton interaction with aluminum and other materials.

Along with the biological effects of radiation.

Those are actual evidence worthy of looking at.

[ytmoog]

@awe130

I strongly advise you to look at the actual evidence rather than your third hand hesaid/shesaid gossip.

It is also interesting that you avoided any non-nasa people in your list.

I 'question' the actual experts in relevant fields no matter who they work for.

Reality to you.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

I wonder what philweb thinks of this comment?

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

I would hope he thinks that actually asking relevant questions to people who know what they are talking about is a good way of getting useful answers.

Perhaps you should try it?

You should also try attempting to learn something....

It may help you if you ever want any actual answers.

[ytmoog]

Whoops, sorry. I assumed you were actually after answers there for a second.

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

Join AwE130 and we can ask questions together, I am happy to invite you for my next Question to NASA.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

When you start asking interesting questions which are relevant and do not have answers to hand already.

And maybe when you try asking the correct people who might know.

And even show you are capable of learning something.

Then I may be interested.

But for now I really am not interested in your dishonesty, quote mining and ignorance.

Reality to you

[awe130]

@ytmoog,

I will state as always "AwE130 doubt that Apollo put a man on the moon"

You are welcome any time to bring in arguments to that debate.

Peace to you

[ytmoog]

@awe130

I doubt that 'awe130' is interested in evidence, facts or reality.

You are definitely not interested in any of the scientific evidence, nor have you given any sign you are remotely interested in answers.

Reality to you

[philwebb59]

@awe130 Like all your comments, it's stupid. Whatever it is you're talking about, it's stupid.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #2

Borman: But interestingly enough, of all the scientists, Dr. Van Allen was convinced we would get fried going through the inside of the ionosphere belt. This, and the doctors were going nuts and they couldn't decide whether they were going to abort the mission. They didn't have much to say about it really then.

[Laughter from the astronauts and others]

Lovell: Frank, I hate to tell this to you now, but we were going to the moon regardless of what happened.

Borman: Exactly.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 "Dr. Van Allen was convinced we would get fried..." What? Your credibility is at stake awe. The correct words are "Dr. Van Allen was convinced that we got fried..." That's "got fried," my dear awe. "Got." Past tense. When he threw up, Van Allen was afraid (yes, I said the word) -- he was afraid Borman had gotten sick passing through the VAB. Unfortunately for your story, Borman is 82 years old and still kicking. Poor research awe. Poor, poor research. How pitiful. How humiliated you are.

[awe130]

@philwebb59,

Dear philweb, I just helped you to correct mistakes you made in your transcript of Apollo 8 and I get attack for the most outlandish reasons? Lucky that I informed you, before other people, how would use it to discredit you philweb. "get and got" well done I thank you for the correction even I didn't claim it was a transcript, never the less well done philweb. I hope you also correct your video with this information plus the information of Dr Shoemaker.

Peace to you

[philwebb59]

@awe130 Thanks for the help awe. If not for your preposterous, nonsensical annoyances, I would not have gone back to look for the truth. I would have just gone on assuming you were wrong about Van Allen. Now, I know you were wrong. And I'm sure that whatever it is that you think you've discovered about Dr. Shoemaker is wrong as well. Your track record is lackluster awe. And you don't have a tenth the talent of a true conspiracist like Mr. White. You should really pack up your toys and go home.

[philwebb59]

@awe130 I just caught that. Correct my video? There's nothing wrong with my video except that I don't mention Borman throwing up while passing through Dr. Van Allen's ionosphere belts, as he put it. As for Shoemaker resigning over NASA wanting to burn up rockets, sending men to the moon and not do any real science while they were there, that doesn't belong in this video. It's an unrelated subject, my dear awe. Just as all your comments are generally unrelated to the subjects of my videos.

[obaeyens]

@awe130

Tell us, put some maths in here I want to see some calculations from you to show that radiation is bad.

So first question, what are the exposure levels and how long is the duration. No references, or links just facts!

[philwebb59]

@awe130 #1 OK. I looked at your silly video. As usual, I don't understand the question, if there is one. I saw nothing in the video you stole to indicate the Apollo 8 astronauts were afraid of anything. Perhaps laughter is associated with fear in your native land. Or, perhaps you think the astronauts chose to laugh at their fear. Whatever. The following comment is a transcript of the interview in your video. Which statement do you think proves the astronauts feared the VAB?

[philwebb59]

@awe130 I see you don't need facts just a repeating mantra "we didn't go to the moon." You're absolutely wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Dr. Van Allen's comments came after they had passed through the VABs. You have learned well from your fellow ilk how to take a snippet of an interview out of context and twist the words to suit your purpose. You no more search for truth than a maggot searches for enlightenment. You're not worth the time it takes to prove you're wrong. Time to slither away awe. Go!

[philwebb59]

@awe130 Borman stated that when he threw up on his way to the moon, Van Allen thought it was due to radiation as they passed "through his ionosphere belt." By the time the doctors found out he had thrown up, they were well beyond the VABs. To infer that Borman's statement confirms that Dr. Van Allen supported any dubious claim made by the Soviets concerning radiation is ridiculous. You are ridiculous, my dear awe. You should probably disappear from YouTube for a while and lick your wounds. Go!

[GreatExterminator]

Nice find of the N1 launches.

Good debunking of Jarrah's claims too.

The guy has no concept of logic.