Niall Ferguson - Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World - White Plague 3/5

[panzercat39]

All I got to say is...USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!

[Luso515PorTuoGraal]

And Enjeno cames from Engenho of Portuguese in São Vicente Brazil, the first in Americas, followed by Pernambuco and northeast Brazil. Altough not completely based in slavery or servitude - the first ones of course (not the common another ones spread to Brazil and Americas in general wich made the sistem).

[cptoronto06]

I love how he's completely ignoring the tour guide.

[Anekantavad]

Many of the points made in this episode are revealing, and explain why the map of North America looks the way it does. Canada exists because many 'American' colonists opposed the revolution, and were prepared to fight against the anarchy they believed would result from it. I'm not trying to be anti-American or insult anyone's heritage, but history is never as convenient as we would like it to be.

Thanks for posting these :-)

[panzercat39]

@Anekantavad I think the reason for the War of Independence,or the American Revolution,whatever you want to call it are obvious,why bow down to a little island nation thousands of miles away?We had all the resources we needed right here.And no matter what your opinion on the current state of affairs in the US,you have to admit it was a pretty impressive run,from nothing to worlds only superpower in a little over two hundred years.

[Anekantavad]

@panzercat39 Of course. I don't dispute the imprint the US has left on the world at all, and I also think that once the history books are written, we may conclude that the US saved civilization itself from totalitarianism.

But America's eternal sense of frustration with itself seems to stem from the fact that it is expecting too much from human society. A paradise on earth isn't possible when your basic building material is flawed humans like you & I.

:-)

[EndWesternTyranny]

@Anekantavad you have an extremely twisted worldview. the US "saved civilization from totalitarianism" by itself acting like a totalitarian state and being responsible for millions of deaths worldwide? you have been heavily propagandized and indoctrinated

[Anekantavad]

@EndWesternTyranny " you have been heavily propagandized and indoctrinated"

I have? I was unaware. Well, that's how indoctrination works, no? You never know when it's been done to you if it's been done effectively.

Problem is, that applies to you too.

:-)

[EndWesternTyranny]

@EndWesternTyranny i don't remember asking for a definition of the word. enjoy watching fox news...

[hayunspain]

@panzercat39: You shouldn´t say from "from nothing to world´s only superpower"...US citizens (former british americans) just continued with the heritage of the western civilization, their economy, politics, etc didn´t just came out of the blue.

[panzercat39]

@hayunspain Why not? The US is the worlds only superpower and it all came so fast,if you do not count the Native American experience,the history of the Americas is very short.And while all those things did come from England mainly,we made them uniquely American,terribly fucked up ;)

[hayunspain]

@panzercat39: The progression of the USA is by no means astonishing, I agree with you :)