@flordluna7 i mean its jus a style preference, doesn't matter either way. but he's just really good at playing fast lines that sound hip. Doesn't make miles or the prez's sound any worse tho u kno
"There's so much to try to learn and so much to try and get out. I keep hearing something beyond what I've done. There's always been something else to strive for. The more I grow in my music, the more possibilities of new things I hear. It's like I'll never stop finding sounds I hadn't thought existed." --Eric Dolphy
@bennyboyjones To tell you the truth... and this is totally against everything that is supposed to be "cool"... I find Charlie Parker totally fucking boring. That's me. It's not a hip view. It's hip to say you love pre-revolutionary jazz. I love some: Armstrong, Mingus, Monk, Miles, Tatum, etc. These were badasses, to me. But I also like Cecil Taylor, Archie Shepp, Ornette, Ayler, Art Ensemble. You can't deny me that by just calling it pretentious. Your taste isn't "right"... it's just yours
@bennyboyjones I think Dolphy played great sax, bass clarinet and flute. Check him out on the flute sometime. It's hard for me to understand what you mean by "a mess." To me, it's lyrical. A friend of mine tells me that he thinks Stravinsky sounds totally random to him; he likes Chopin, Brahms, etc. I guess it's a matter of how you listen. And yes... I fucking LOVE listening to Eric Dolphy. Call me pretentious; I don't give a fuck. Do you find Ornette's work shitty too? Just curious.
@ZombieLincoln666 Another thing... while I wasn't around for Coltrane or Dolphy, I spent time with Cecil at his place, listening to him practice. There is nothing random about what he plays. Not a note. It's fine to like the music as an end product, but it's not fair to the creator to say that his creative product was this or that when it wasn't. Creative process is dear to any good artist. I doubt Dolphy would've dug your comment, like he was a child a kiddie piano, banging away randomly.
@sc0ner No one's saying he "can't" play his horn well, just that he "doesn't". Big difference. I'm not into this free form style of jazz anyway, but I don't mind if it sounds good, whereas this just sounds like a mess. No one actually enjoys listening to this piece, or the majority of Dolphy's work on the sax but they pretend to in order to seem "cool". There isn't a jazz musician's name that pops into my head that I enjoy LESS than Dolphy.
@ZombieLincoln666 Trane used to defend Dolphy from these remarks. You know... people never said that Stravinsky or Schoenberg used to just blap out notes. Even Cage had a logic to his "indeterminacy." It's strange to me that people think jazz artists are any different. It cheapens their work. It's a stain on their brilliance. From Leonard Bernstein to Frank Zappa to Gunther Schuller, the finest musical minds from all genres recognized his brilliance... and that he knew JUST what he was doing.
@ZombieLincoln666 People say this about Ornette or Ayler... but they don't say them about Coltrane, even though his later music (e.g., Interstellar Space) is pretty "out." Back at one time, they did, but today... you can listen to the progression of his career and see how he arrived there. Go back and listen to Dolphy's early work with Chico Hamilton. You know... Trane was embarassed about the things that people used to say about him and Dolphy... "can't play," "random notes," anti-jazz," etc.
@ZombieLincoln666 There's nothing wrong with you liking the way he played random notes, except that that wasn't what he was doing. You may hear it that way and it sounds cool that he was just shooting out whatever happened to pop out of his sax, but Dolphy meant to play everything you hear. If he were playing the equivalent of "drip art," I'd have no problem with it... but, again, that wasn't what he was doing.
You have to like ideas. These are ideas as well as notes and phrases. AND you have to LISTEN and accept, not judge. Dolphy, Coltrane, Monk, Colman, they were inventing and extending and they were EXPERTS / sonic philosophers / innovators. But they threatened the status quo, so they got criticized.
This is ok if you prefer the faster tempo. But I much prefer the original Prestige recording with Freddie Hubbard & Jaki Byard,and particularly the incredible work of Roy Haynes.
I don't know what you people are talking about, This shit sounds like Trane, just lil' bit faster. So What? I think it/s beautiful and very virtuosic.
This is absolute brilliancy. Eric Dolphy's improvisation makes me have a certain unique feeling that can not be explained by any words. Only by the phrases within his improvisation can it be explained.
Dolphy reminds me of 'Trane insofar as being able to deconstruct a song... to "go crazy" so to speak, before bringing it all back together... I wish I had the words to describe this. It's something rock musicians will never understand. To be able to do this properly, you have to know how to play music first... jazzmen combine the knowledge of classical musicians with the accessibility of rock or soul or pop...
People who think Dolphy played a bunch of random notes are those who think Ornette can't play. In reality, their ears aren't developed enough to understand the use of multiple tonalities, unusual phrasing and "out" notes. People said the same thing about Bird, back in the day! They couldn't grasp Coltrane, at first. BUT THINK ABOUT IT! How do you figure Dolphy could just blow these perfectly lyrical phrase at 1'16"-1'19" or at 1'34"-1'43" ... and then suddenly he doesn't know play his horn???
@sc0ner The argument that most people have against Trane and others is not that he didn't know what he was doing but instead he was just blowing and scrambling notes at times. No one doubted that he knew he was theory, they were just saying it's BS that honking on a tenor sax is "spiritual enlightenment." I.E. Interstellar Space (an album I love by the way) I don't agree with the critics but it's important you learn both sides of the argument before defending your own.
@slick82958 I know the arguments. They're similar to ones leveled at Bird long ago. "Where's the melody? Guy plays a bunch of notes; doesn't care where he puts his fingers if he's in key." People said this honking shit about Ornette. I remember the first time I heard "Lonely Woman." Every yawp from his sax ripped my heart in half. Was Ornette a put on? Was Dolphy just a show off? I don't agree either. People talk this same smack about Cecil Taylor. THAT's the real BS, if you ask me.
@sc0ner Yeah man, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I always say, it's easy to be a critic. You hit the nail on the head too when you said people's ears aren't developed enough. It's too bad because they really don't know what they're missing out on, if they had spent the same energy talking smack on trying to learn what the musicians were doing, they'd get a better feel for the music. Oh well. Also, I apologize about the flip out before, I get accused of comments too many times lol.
What's so bad about playing random notes? I don't listen to music because of how it was made, but for the end result. Maybe I like the way he plays random notes.
@nadir6661 Well put. Isn't it fucking ridiculous, though? I mean... it's one thing to say that you don't like Dolphy's interpretations... but suggested that he was just honking on the horn??? Fuck...
@sc0ner He was obviously absolutely a master at playing conventionally and probably out of boredom and a need to be different, created his own approach! The same was true of Ornette who some say sounded like Bird before he invented his own approach. To me thats a natural progression among those who have stories to tell of their own musically! The don't have a limo and record contract blues ain't enough to develop a sound!
conformists NEVER changed anything...........PERIOD, thats why were where were at as far as the art form is concerned, every musician i know is like a little CEO, they want to be heard and make money, and not necessarily in that order, these guys took chances..............and that takes balls bigger than anyones got these days...........
ERIC DOLPHY SPEAKS A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE , NO ONE SPEAKS LIKE THAT BUT HIM, ONCE YOU BREAK THE CODE WOW IT IS A BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE OBVIOUSLY HE WAS A VERY DEEP THINKING ARTIST WAY AHEAD OF EVERY ONE ONE MUST LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT HE IS SAYING, IT IS VERY ENLIHGTENING
Dolphy was/is a god of art. He reminds me of Paul Klee for some reason in respect of the wonbderfully clear, lyrical, strange place they take us to. Both incredible virtuosos of their arts and imaginations. Out to lunch.
There is nothing right or wrong about this piece, it just is. To my liking it's a little more on the free side than I prefer, but I certainly admire the tremendous talent of Eric Dolphy as a saxophone player.
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@andifyouhadtwocoats I regret that I have seen your posts elsewhere. While the rest of us are here because we love, enjoy or are interested in the music, the musicians and the thoughts of others about these great artists, you are not here for those or for any reason related to your sexual orientation. You are here because you are mentally ill. This is not the place for you to indulge yourself. GO AWAY!
The trumpet player looks an awful lot like Thad Jones. I'm from Pontiac, Michigan where Elvin, Hank (recently passed) and Thad hail from, and I swear that looks like Thad. What an odd combination if my assessment is correct! Can somebody tell me...is that Thad Jones?
Theyy were ahead of their time. I hear elements of the great past throughout Erc's solos while striving to be himself and creative. To me this marks a great soulful artist that can swing with the best of them technically. Plus he actually lived the life of ajazz cat in one of the most racist colonized countries that thought it was superior to every thing and the Father of all mankind.
The host is Joachim-Ernst Behrendt, the German "Pope of Jazz". It's tremendous what this radio and tv man book author did to get Germans aquainted with Jazz. Hey, this is f*cking public tv, an it's '61, when there were only 2 national and one regional channel, and when the majority of Germans still considered Jazz primitive "Negermusik" (nigger music)! And he's not giving them Louis Armstrong or Glenn Miller, no, it's Eric Dolphy! Now look where public tv's today, it'll make you cry.
just want to add, what everyone seem to have forget these days, the importance of
what an amazing feeling for music those guys had. they did a lot of advanced things. I know you know. but without something very special to say, all those advanced things are meaningless..
jazzmunky:
don't ever try to integrate what exactly he does. please. listen and feel.
@MrHatandbeard i wouldn't even suggest someone to "listen and feel' cause i've played with musicians where they were trained too much but think that closing their eyes & shrugging their shoulders like davis & coltrane, is feeling the music. I'm assuming they do this because people told them if they dont feel the music, its not real. The only thing that happens when people dont listen and feel, is they're narrow minded. Those kids love kind of blue but hate on the corner...what a shame.
Feeling can come from the hate of all things that were or are stupid .Also, things that are pure and accurate. That means for example,"the Olmec Heads in Mexico: are not baby faces or mythological creatures as, something is deeper in these great thinking men like Eric, Trane, Bird, Dizzy, Art Tatum, Oscar, Albert King, Ella, Benson, Wes and others. Don't be fooled by their stage smiles.
Indeed, Jaki was a piano giant. Jaki also showed up on Eric's debut, OUTWARD BOUND, along with Freddie Hubbard, George Tucker and Roy Haynes. A dream band if there ever was one!
Agreed Damony0. His musicianship was astounding, he established the bass clarinet as a lead instrument, and the other musicians he worked with is a pantheon of greats-Trane, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Max Roach, Oliver Nelson, George Russell. The years he was with us are still reverberating.
Absolutey amazing ! Dolphy's not avantgarde, his style of playing is just very unique and alternative. As Jazzmunky said his line are very logical. It's just sad he left us too early =(
There's nothing random about Dolphy's lines, they seem intuitively logical to me and every note fits beautifully. You have to train to play this fast and make note choices as intelligently as this, I hear them and try 2 integrate them into my playing, it's hard!
If I played an instrument without any musical conception or technique, it would sound nothing like this, it would sound ugly - and people seem to think Dolphy plays random notes! The lines are actually very well-balanced and musical!
vectortemple @jazzmunky - if someone thinks Dolphy is random they don't know how to listen to jazz. Eric Dolphy was an extraordinarily talented musician who mastered several different difficult instruments and created his own unique, extraordinarily expressive, virtuostic style in each of them. He was a 'once in a century' kind of guy.
@jazzmunky thats exactly what i try and explain to people, you couldnt have worded it any better. people need to understand that about dolphy and you summed it up so perfectly.
@jazzmunky while I agree with you, I would also like to point out that this isnt always true. I've jammed with other musicians where they have no idea what note they are playing in what scale, yet they pull the same fast runs coltrane or dolphy pulled. Some of the musicians were able to do it because they idolize coltrane but others...they just fake it lol it's seriously the truth, you hear them and say, "wow they must practice a lot" but they dont, at all. They just go, like natural instinct
@slick82958 A valid point. I guess the idea of intention is at stake here. Is certain music "right" because the musician has intended it to sound that way? Or can music be "unintentional" yet make valid music for the listener? Difficult to say on the first question, as many say that their improvisations come from a source beyond their conscious control yet it still feels right to them. And what musician would knowingly make random (or rather, insincere) sounds and feel satisfied as a musician?
@jazzmunky i would say, music by dolphy is "right" because he intended it to sound that way. while improv may come from, "a source..." the runs are still runs dolphy knows. He might play them "unconsciously" but its really just muscle memory. after practicing for hours and hours, it just comes natural. but at the same time, musicians who have no technicality at all can sound just as good as one who is trained because the muscle memory is just naturally there, its not random to them at all.
@slick82958 Yes. It comes easy to some people. I wish my muscle memory provided me with such good ideas >:( Oh well, at least I can watch Dolphy on youtube.
@slick82958 First of all, I think your just making excuses for your own incompetence. Second, if you think players who have no idea what there playing can sound just like coltrane or dolphy, you're not listening closely. And third, dolphy isn't just playing what sounds "good" to him, he uses polytonality on the upper chord extentions. Read up a bit before you start waxing musical philosophy. "It's like, art and uh... self-expression." Have fun with that.
@GradiusBaller lol (1/2) to answer your first response, I don't play the sax, I play the drums. Secondly, you make it like coltrane and dolphy are the gods of saxes, grow up kid, there are people out there who can copy them word for word, without knowing what they are doing, ive witnessed it myself. Hey, Wes Montgomery had no idea what he was doing, yet go listen to his version of Impressions. Third, again I'm a drummer, so that means nothing to me but wouldn't you think dolphy would want to
@slick82958 whoa "there are people out there who can copy them word for word, without knowing what they are doing" that's definitely not true at all man. come on. can people copy brian blade without knowing what they're doing? elvin jones? tony williams? i think not. and wes' version of impressions sounds a world different than trane's. no need to talk all willy nilly.
@Brian4hand (1/2) I don't remember my argument with the other person but I'm sure if you read the WHOLE thing you would know what I was talking about. Actually let me try. What I meant by not knowing what they're doing is that they don't know notation or scales, they learned how to play by ear. I know drummers who can't read a single note but they can play like Jones or Blade (come on you brought him into this?) Same with Williams.
@slick82958 I'm not sure how "not knowing what they're doing" says anything meaningful about great jazz artists. First, you can't WRITE music (for the most part) if you can't read. Dolphy could read. Just because Dolphy may SOUND (to the untrained ear) like he was blowing BS, don't infer that he was or couldn't read. Ornette can read. Cecil Taylor can read. George Russell... shit... he invented theory (lydian chromatic.) Plus, who gives a shit about theory, really, if you can play your horn!!!
@sc0ner Wow....I hate how you don't even read the whole conversation, you just pick apart my comment without even trying to understand. I'm tired of youtubers coming on here and just get angry about one part without understanding. I wasn't saying not knowing what they're doing is meanful or that you can write music or that eric dolphy was BS, I LOVE DOLPHY. My whole argument to that kid was theory doesnt matter if you can play IDIOT. READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH. Thanks.
@Brian4hand (2/2) You have to get out more if you don't think it's possible for a person to model trane, jones, blade or anyone just because they've never had a single lesson in their life. That was my point to the other kid I believe. Wes plays pretty amazing don't agree? Well in case you didn't know, Wes couldn't read a single note.
@GradiusBaller (2/2) make sounds that he liked? or do you really think musicians go up there just to sound like garbage? Musical phiosophy? come on kid, you're making it like I think im the smartest person out there, in fact, I think im dumb when it comes to this. I just talk about what I know to people who want to listen. But to come on here, offering nothing but insults, well thats just childish. Let's have a grown up discussion because I feel like you actually have something to offer.
@GradiusBaller Give me somelthing good my friend cause while I might not be able to say "he uses polytonality.." I can still argue with you for days about music. lol I LOVE people like you, its been a while since i had a good discussion, (the last one was a guy who listened to Liszt but thought A Tribute to Jack Johnson was garbage) let's keep this going my friend. Let's keep the technicality out and talk about what we're actually hearing, or do you not know how to listen? Have fun with that.
@GradiusBaller Oh and one more thing, I think that you're just making excuses for your own incompetence. It's pretty defeating isn't it to hear a musician player better than you, when you know how to say "polytonality on the upper chord extentions" yet the other musician has no idea what a chord is. Again, Wes Montgomery had no knowledge of technicality, only played by ear, yet he's considered the greatest jazz guitarist. Oh and, Have fun with that.
@mustachio10 They hate him for the same reason they hate Pablo Picasso or Jackson Pollack James Joyce. His art is not easy and, not unlike quantum physics, strays too far from "common sense" for the average person to understand.
the other guys like Sun Ra...and whoever else you may accuse of "bullshitting" there way thru the music...well they were just searching and improvising, trying to discover new structures, rhymths, timing, etc. They wanted to go outside the norm. You have to respect style and approach to the instrument...not judge it. It all is coinside, nothing is bogus about what these guys are doing. music gets no better. i wish i could take my blue note records with me to heaven, if i could i would hehe.
@DonnieSmooth - you wan't have to take any records - they are all up there wailin' away in concert every day...that's where they came from in the first place - how else can a human play music like this...
Plus those cats hated the stupid staus quo ideas that have evolved into what we are currently experiencing globally. Sad to say,ignorance is truly bliss among those who rewarded by a dumb system based on lies,money, and false notions of superiority. These gentlemen probably didn't give a damn what others thought as long as they remained truthful and themselves.They called Dizzy Gillespies music ,Jungle Music" Trane's" Ugly"
I did not expect people to be analizing this guy...leaning towards negitive...like saying him and Pharo didn't know what they were doing half the time and bullshitted thru solos...to explain it astrologyically(which i doubt you'll hear too often, because I study astrology massively and know it well to be true) is that Coltrane was a virgo. Virgos analize everything to the most exact precise detail even if it is boring. so yes coltrane did it like that matematically well thought out.
I think it's a sad commentary that people are having a hard time accepting innovations from 40 years ago in black and white. I'm totally open to this approach, but maybe I'm just used to hearing modern stuff.
Dolphy is the man. To me, it is the "quirky" stuff that just doesn't really sound right that is the TRUE essence of jazz. The truth is, as much as some people want to deny it, there is a method to their madness. It is very beautiful stuff from a purely musical standpoint
Whatisthescore-you should check out his flute playing on Miss Ann-plenty lyrical. Dolphy had the total respect of many of the greats. He absolutely knew what he was doing, was passionate and expressive( and was not imitating anyone-except Charlie Parker indirectly). It took several listens for me to "get" what he was up to. Maybe you should try harder-you won't be disappointed I suspect.
Any talk of tone rows is ridiculous though. This isn't Webern. Dolphy's lines come straight from the bop vocabulary, and he's making every chord change. I think his phrasing is throwing you off.
@flordluna7 He is playing the most beautiful notes. There just happens to be a lot of them.
glennmilchem 2 weeks ago
This is the fastest I've ever heard him play this.
RipplingOphelia 1 month ago
Why play so many notes instead of just choosing the most beautiful ?
flordluna7 1 month ago
@flordluna7 i mean its jus a style preference, doesn't matter either way. but he's just really good at playing fast lines that sound hip. Doesn't make miles or the prez's sound any worse tho u kno
djjjamin 2 weeks ago
@flordluna7 or monk he's my favorite haha
djjjamin 2 weeks ago
Hard bop takes talent, are you listening to this JUSTIN BIEBER
diego8720001 1 month ago
i cant even tell what notes hes playing they go so fast, this is really hard to follow and i have a pretty trained ear.
snipersas 1 month ago
"There's so much to try to learn and so much to try and get out. I keep hearing something beyond what I've done. There's always been something else to strive for. The more I grow in my music, the more possibilities of new things I hear. It's like I'll never stop finding sounds I hadn't thought existed." --Eric Dolphy
wyattmims 1 month ago
このDolphyはヤバい。Benny Baileyもサイコー(- - )y-~
torageba 3 months ago
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torageba 3 months ago
@bennyboyjones To tell you the truth... and this is totally against everything that is supposed to be "cool"... I find Charlie Parker totally fucking boring. That's me. It's not a hip view. It's hip to say you love pre-revolutionary jazz. I love some: Armstrong, Mingus, Monk, Miles, Tatum, etc. These were badasses, to me. But I also like Cecil Taylor, Archie Shepp, Ornette, Ayler, Art Ensemble. You can't deny me that by just calling it pretentious. Your taste isn't "right"... it's just yours
sc0ner 3 months ago
@sc0ner Cecil and Archie woo! I also love me some Don Cherry!
RipplingOphelia 1 month ago
@bennyboyjones I think Dolphy played great sax, bass clarinet and flute. Check him out on the flute sometime. It's hard for me to understand what you mean by "a mess." To me, it's lyrical. A friend of mine tells me that he thinks Stravinsky sounds totally random to him; he likes Chopin, Brahms, etc. I guess it's a matter of how you listen. And yes... I fucking LOVE listening to Eric Dolphy. Call me pretentious; I don't give a fuck. Do you find Ornette's work shitty too? Just curious.
sc0ner 3 months ago
@ZombieLincoln666 Another thing... while I wasn't around for Coltrane or Dolphy, I spent time with Cecil at his place, listening to him practice. There is nothing random about what he plays. Not a note. It's fine to like the music as an end product, but it's not fair to the creator to say that his creative product was this or that when it wasn't. Creative process is dear to any good artist. I doubt Dolphy would've dug your comment, like he was a child a kiddie piano, banging away randomly.
sc0ner 4 months ago
@sc0ner No one's saying he "can't" play his horn well, just that he "doesn't". Big difference. I'm not into this free form style of jazz anyway, but I don't mind if it sounds good, whereas this just sounds like a mess. No one actually enjoys listening to this piece, or the majority of Dolphy's work on the sax but they pretend to in order to seem "cool". There isn't a jazz musician's name that pops into my head that I enjoy LESS than Dolphy.
bennyboyjones 3 months ago
@ZombieLincoln666 Trane used to defend Dolphy from these remarks. You know... people never said that Stravinsky or Schoenberg used to just blap out notes. Even Cage had a logic to his "indeterminacy." It's strange to me that people think jazz artists are any different. It cheapens their work. It's a stain on their brilliance. From Leonard Bernstein to Frank Zappa to Gunther Schuller, the finest musical minds from all genres recognized his brilliance... and that he knew JUST what he was doing.
sc0ner 4 months ago
@ZombieLincoln666 People say this about Ornette or Ayler... but they don't say them about Coltrane, even though his later music (e.g., Interstellar Space) is pretty "out." Back at one time, they did, but today... you can listen to the progression of his career and see how he arrived there. Go back and listen to Dolphy's early work with Chico Hamilton. You know... Trane was embarassed about the things that people used to say about him and Dolphy... "can't play," "random notes," anti-jazz," etc.
sc0ner 4 months ago
@ZombieLincoln666 There's nothing wrong with you liking the way he played random notes, except that that wasn't what he was doing. You may hear it that way and it sounds cool that he was just shooting out whatever happened to pop out of his sax, but Dolphy meant to play everything you hear. If he were playing the equivalent of "drip art," I'd have no problem with it... but, again, that wasn't what he was doing.
sc0ner 4 months ago
You have to like ideas. These are ideas as well as notes and phrases. AND you have to LISTEN and accept, not judge. Dolphy, Coltrane, Monk, Colman, they were inventing and extending and they were EXPERTS / sonic philosophers / innovators. But they threatened the status quo, so they got criticized.
msmarko 4 months ago
Ik heb Out To Lunch en een nachtconcert gezien voor Eric died in Germany
augustin2able 5 months ago
Eric Dolphy's saxophone could teleport you
StonierWilliam 6 months ago 2
@StonierWilliam Wait, what just happened? Where am I?
LimboShrimp 4 months ago
Fuck Yeah!
EarlyLAPunk 6 months ago
SSSSSMOOOOOOOOOKIN
ZupraVisor 6 months ago
Everybody was (on point)
richardllperkins 7 months ago
Some one said that usually the tune plays the musician and that Eric Dolphy was the one who most reversed that relationship. I agree.
P1B1U1H1 7 months ago
theres like an air pocket in his forehead..why?
danielle051194 8 months ago
Fantastic!
22Burnette 8 months ago
An unstructured mess? Yea, your sleepy, alright. Dolphy is on the highest level of music, period!
nakim55 8 months ago
COOL DADDY-O, REAL, REAL COOL.
jing479 8 months ago
@jing479 Take your time machine back to the 70's
OscarAlhoII 7 months ago
@OscarAlhoII More like 1962.
jing479 7 months ago
Hang in there mr piano man! :D
boertush 9 months ago
And I thought I had fast fingers...
SupahflyJazzguy 9 months ago
Joe Pesci on piano.
EKflylo 9 months ago 2
Any moment, I expect John Thompson to appear, exhale, and say, "Sssssmokin'!"
chris10702090 9 months ago
I don't know what just happened.... but i'm goint to say that I liked it.
Trombonechess 9 months ago in playlist jazzmazzatazz
i would've blown dolphy's horn so wet and hard
studhumper69 9 months ago
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tsukue1982 9 months ago
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TheRajfather 10 months ago
@TheRajfather I wish Dolphy improvised for about 2 or 3 more decades!
RameshChotanagour 9 months ago 8
This is ok if you prefer the faster tempo. But I much prefer the original Prestige recording with Freddie Hubbard & Jaki Byard,and particularly the incredible work of Roy Haynes.
postatility 10 months ago
Enjoy a GREAT master class on the music of Eric Dolphy ! Type in "Dave Frank" Dolphy on Ustream. You vill dig this!
Dfrankjazz 10 months ago
Eric Dolphy – alto sax
Benny Bailey – trumpet
Pepsi Auer – piano
Jamil Nasser, aka George Joyner – bass
Buster Smith – drum
babydweezil 10 months ago 5
This music makes me feel uncomfortable but i like it. A strange but kinda nice feeling.
mariegabriellexx 10 months ago
This music makes me feel uncomfortable but i do like it. A strange but kinda nice feeling.
mariegabriellexx 10 months ago
this guy is incredible!!! i go to the same school he went to :D
csrac23 10 months ago
I don't know what you people are talking about, This shit sounds like Trane, just lil' bit faster. So What? I think it/s beautiful and very virtuosic.
aperisimo 11 months ago
I can't stand Eric Dolphy. I don't care if this makes me unhip. His music is an unstructured mess with no sense of story. Yuck.
sleepybrownbear 11 months ago
@sleepybrownbear thats kind of desrespectful, you could have just said you dont care for it
thephan1113 7 months ago
This is absolute brilliancy. Eric Dolphy's improvisation makes me have a certain unique feeling that can not be explained by any words. Only by the phrases within his improvisation can it be explained.
TheRajfather 11 months ago
These sounds just makes me love the good life....just being able to be free and happy. Thanks sharing.
9876543217303 11 months ago
dude looks so badass
KevinHeaven9 1 year ago
almost certain it's the legendary Roy Haynes drumming.
carlosbjones 1 year ago
Is that Booker Little on trumpet?
jokatech 1 year ago
who's on drums?
whimzeejmachine 1 year ago
Dolphy reminds me of 'Trane insofar as being able to deconstruct a song... to "go crazy" so to speak, before bringing it all back together... I wish I had the words to describe this. It's something rock musicians will never understand. To be able to do this properly, you have to know how to play music first... jazzmen combine the knowledge of classical musicians with the accessibility of rock or soul or pop...
DeepSouthWrestling1 1 year ago
So much Adderley in Eric's playing!
TallSomeone 1 year ago
who's the trumpeter?
lordfarty 1 year ago
@lordfarty FREDDIE HUBBARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
halitoid 1 year ago
People who think Dolphy played a bunch of random notes are those who think Ornette can't play. In reality, their ears aren't developed enough to understand the use of multiple tonalities, unusual phrasing and "out" notes. People said the same thing about Bird, back in the day! They couldn't grasp Coltrane, at first. BUT THINK ABOUT IT! How do you figure Dolphy could just blow these perfectly lyrical phrase at 1'16"-1'19" or at 1'34"-1'43" ... and then suddenly he doesn't know play his horn???
sc0ner 1 year ago 19
@sc0ner The argument that most people have against Trane and others is not that he didn't know what he was doing but instead he was just blowing and scrambling notes at times. No one doubted that he knew he was theory, they were just saying it's BS that honking on a tenor sax is "spiritual enlightenment." I.E. Interstellar Space (an album I love by the way) I don't agree with the critics but it's important you learn both sides of the argument before defending your own.
slick82958 1 year ago
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sc0ner 1 year ago
@slick82958 I know the arguments. They're similar to ones leveled at Bird long ago. "Where's the melody? Guy plays a bunch of notes; doesn't care where he puts his fingers if he's in key." People said this honking shit about Ornette. I remember the first time I heard "Lonely Woman." Every yawp from his sax ripped my heart in half. Was Ornette a put on? Was Dolphy just a show off? I don't agree either. People talk this same smack about Cecil Taylor. THAT's the real BS, if you ask me.
sc0ner 1 year ago
@sc0ner Yeah man, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I always say, it's easy to be a critic. You hit the nail on the head too when you said people's ears aren't developed enough. It's too bad because they really don't know what they're missing out on, if they had spent the same energy talking smack on trying to learn what the musicians were doing, they'd get a better feel for the music. Oh well. Also, I apologize about the flip out before, I get accused of comments too many times lol.
slick82958 1 year ago
@sc0ner
What's so bad about playing random notes? I don't listen to music because of how it was made, but for the end result. Maybe I like the way he plays random notes.
ZombieLincoln666 4 months ago
@sc0ner I'm one of those. I get what you're saying, i used to dislike Charlie Parker, but now i get it, but this is still to much for me
horbergus 3 months ago
@sc0ner don't bother 2 educate the fools!
nadir6661 2 months ago
@nadir6661 Well put. Isn't it fucking ridiculous, though? I mean... it's one thing to say that you don't like Dolphy's interpretations... but suggested that he was just honking on the horn??? Fuck...
sc0ner 2 months ago
@sc0ner He was obviously absolutely a master at playing conventionally and probably out of boredom and a need to be different, created his own approach! The same was true of Ornette who some say sounded like Bird before he invented his own approach. To me thats a natural progression among those who have stories to tell of their own musically! The don't have a limo and record contract blues ain't enough to develop a sound!
jazz1bro 1 month ago 2
@sc0ner Dolphy was nothing but pure genius.
RipplingOphelia 1 month ago
conformists NEVER changed anything...........PERIOD, thats why were where were at as far as the art form is concerned, every musician i know is like a little CEO, they want to be heard and make money, and not necessarily in that order, these guys took chances..............and that takes balls bigger than anyones got these days...........
vetmusician 1 year ago
Damn, he's fast!
Hb35Jazz 1 year ago
ERIC DOLPHY SPEAKS A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE , NO ONE SPEAKS LIKE THAT BUT HIM, ONCE YOU BREAK THE CODE WOW IT IS A BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE OBVIOUSLY HE WAS A VERY DEEP THINKING ARTIST WAY AHEAD OF EVERY ONE ONE MUST LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT HE IS SAYING, IT IS VERY ENLIHGTENING
hamidluke 1 year ago 3
More people listen to bed intruder song. F my life.....
hcsk6 1 year ago
He is not playing random notes at all for who ever said that he is going through the tunic beatifully
dee123422 1 year ago
can you say "extreme pandiatonicism"???
miiwiiplay 1 year ago
eric lookin sharp as hell
unclejunglebass 1 year ago
cool sunglasses!
mdudekm 1 year ago
hardbop is insane
soodmm13 1 year ago
@soodmm13 GROS CONNARD
dauniklazro 1 year ago
Dolphy was/is a god of art. He reminds me of Paul Klee for some reason in respect of the wonbderfully clear, lyrical, strange place they take us to. Both incredible virtuosos of their arts and imaginations. Out to lunch.
bouglaf 1 year ago
on the double album "The Berlin Concerts" by Eric Dolphy, this same performance was called "Gee Wee" and the trumpet solo was edited out.
michaelhintongtr 1 year ago
the transition from the horn solos is so amazing. is it just me or does the pianist get lost?
lordfarty 1 year ago
Whose the cat on the trumpet? He is a force!
Libervurto 1 year ago
@Libervurto Benny Bailey I believe!
jibsmokestack1 1 year ago
I thinks that's Dave Chappelle playing sax right? LOL
tequiladonkey 1 year ago
God...I hear new york. So great.
sclogse1 1 year ago
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Dfrankjazz 1 year ago
let's stop talking about eric dolphy playing random notes and talk about his awesome shades
hebesphenomegacorona 1 year ago
Was he just shredding on a Sax?
KyoXo 1 year ago
There is nothing right or wrong about this piece, it just is. To my liking it's a little more on the free side than I prefer, but I certainly admire the tremendous talent of Eric Dolphy as a saxophone player.
gsco82 1 year ago
@gsco82
Dolphy was a tremendous, virtuoso MUSICIAN. Consequently, not all people who play an instrument can be or should be described as a musician.
pooperscoopr69 1 year ago
So under appreciated.
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ajack2boys 1 year ago
I'm guessing that GW probably are the initials of bandleader Gerald Wilson, an early mentor of Dolphy's in LA.
tonespinner 1 year ago
you're all idiots these musicians were schooled and could all probably play piano
daddysevenpointfiver 1 year ago
THAT PIANO PLAYER LOOKS SO PANICKED!!!!!!!!!
coyotebgoode 1 year ago 23
@coyotebgoode It's because he's white
GilucZ 10 months ago
@coyotebgoode: He was probably a local sitting in--I don't recognize him.
aarfeld 8 months ago
@coyotebgoode Looks more like JFK than panicked
PanekPL 8 months ago
Just fabulous. This made my day. Thanks so much.
jpapare 1 year ago
The trumpet player looks an awful lot like Thad Jones. I'm from Pontiac, Michigan where Elvin, Hank (recently passed) and Thad hail from, and I swear that looks like Thad. What an odd combination if my assessment is correct! Can somebody tell me...is that Thad Jones?
QuincyStewart 1 year ago
@QuincyStewart According to one source...
Personnel: Eric Dolphy (flute, clarinet, alto saxophone), Benny Bailey (trumpet), Pepsi Auer (piano), George Joyner (bass), Buster Smith (drums).
According to another:
Benny Bailey (tp -1,3) Eric Dolphy (as, bcl) Pepsi Auer (p -1,3) Jamil Nasser (b -1,3) Buster Smith (d -1,3)
"Funkturm Exhibition Hal", Berlin, West Germany, August 30, 1961
OK, acc. to Wikipedia, Joyner and Nasser were the same man.
johnwaynesfoot 1 year ago
Theyy were ahead of their time. I hear elements of the great past throughout Erc's solos while striving to be himself and creative. To me this marks a great soulful artist that can swing with the best of them technically. Plus he actually lived the life of ajazz cat in one of the most racist colonized countries that thought it was superior to every thing and the Father of all mankind.
jazz1bro 1 year ago
magic, that's what this is pure magic for the hearts and souls of true music lovers.
Pinkalicious112 1 year ago
beautiful
BaronMesmer 1 year ago
eric dolphy is a baaaad mothaf***a lol
willshakeyou 1 year ago
My dad disliked jazz until I showed him this.
samthomasmusic 1 year ago
The host is Joachim-Ernst Behrendt, the German "Pope of Jazz". It's tremendous what this radio and tv man book author did to get Germans aquainted with Jazz. Hey, this is f*cking public tv, an it's '61, when there were only 2 national and one regional channel, and when the majority of Germans still considered Jazz primitive "Negermusik" (nigger music)! And he's not giving them Louis Armstrong or Glenn Miller, no, it's Eric Dolphy! Now look where public tv's today, it'll make you cry.
synkyb 1 year ago
it becomes a consciously unconscious sorta thang
MokshaIS 1 year ago
sure it's intelligent and all that..
I really agree on that point.
just want to add, what everyone seem to have forget these days, the importance of
what an amazing feeling for music those guys had. they did a lot of advanced things. I know you know. but without something very special to say, all those advanced things are meaningless..
jazzmunky:
don't ever try to integrate what exactly he does. please. listen and feel.
MrHatandbeard 2 years ago
@MrHatandbeard i wouldn't even suggest someone to "listen and feel' cause i've played with musicians where they were trained too much but think that closing their eyes & shrugging their shoulders like davis & coltrane, is feeling the music. I'm assuming they do this because people told them if they dont feel the music, its not real. The only thing that happens when people dont listen and feel, is they're narrow minded. Those kids love kind of blue but hate on the corner...what a shame.
slick82958 1 year ago
@MrHatandbeard
Feeling can come from the hate of all things that were or are stupid .Also, things that are pure and accurate. That means for example,"the Olmec Heads in Mexico: are not baby faces or mythological creatures as, something is deeper in these great thinking men like Eric, Trane, Bird, Dizzy, Art Tatum, Oscar, Albert King, Ella, Benson, Wes and others. Don't be fooled by their stage smiles.
jazz1bro 1 year ago
Indeed, Jaki was a piano giant. Jaki also showed up on Eric's debut, OUTWARD BOUND, along with Freddie Hubbard, George Tucker and Roy Haynes. A dream band if there ever was one!
Gerry50ify 2 years ago
Agreed Damony0. His musicianship was astounding, he established the bass clarinet as a lead instrument, and the other musicians he worked with is a pantheon of greats-Trane, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Max Roach, Oliver Nelson, George Russell. The years he was with us are still reverberating.
Gerry50ify 2 years ago
A jazz master at his finest! His loss was as devastating to music as was Coltrane's.
Gerry50ify 2 years ago 2
Now this is jazz!!
FunkunlimitedX 2 years ago
so good!
Musikplast 2 years ago
Dolphy is amazing.
fizzmaster 2 years ago
dolphy is just brutal
footballsax 2 years ago 4
@footballsax so true one of the greats
calisoldier414 2 years ago
Absolutey amazing ! Dolphy's not avantgarde, his style of playing is just very unique and alternative. As Jazzmunky said his line are very logical. It's just sad he left us too early =(
But his records made him immortal !
Greatings From Germany
FunkySkunk90 2 years ago 7
Today this sounds inside i reckon, if you like it maybe you will like' folk forms; the Mingus album with Dolphy, it is raw/sweet in places
aghoranathi 2 years ago
There's nothing random about Dolphy's lines, they seem intuitively logical to me and every note fits beautifully. You have to train to play this fast and make note choices as intelligently as this, I hear them and try 2 integrate them into my playing, it's hard!
If I played an instrument without any musical conception or technique, it would sound nothing like this, it would sound ugly - and people seem to think Dolphy plays random notes! The lines are actually very well-balanced and musical!
jazzmunky 2 years ago 58
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vectortemple 1 year ago
vectortemple @jazzmunky - if someone thinks Dolphy is random they don't know how to listen to jazz. Eric Dolphy was an extraordinarily talented musician who mastered several different difficult instruments and created his own unique, extraordinarily expressive, virtuostic style in each of them. He was a 'once in a century' kind of guy.
vectortemple 1 year ago 2
@jazzmunky thats exactly what i try and explain to people, you couldnt have worded it any better. people need to understand that about dolphy and you summed it up so perfectly.
coolcolbass 1 year ago
@jazzmunky while I agree with you, I would also like to point out that this isnt always true. I've jammed with other musicians where they have no idea what note they are playing in what scale, yet they pull the same fast runs coltrane or dolphy pulled. Some of the musicians were able to do it because they idolize coltrane but others...they just fake it lol it's seriously the truth, you hear them and say, "wow they must practice a lot" but they dont, at all. They just go, like natural instinct
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958 A valid point. I guess the idea of intention is at stake here. Is certain music "right" because the musician has intended it to sound that way? Or can music be "unintentional" yet make valid music for the listener? Difficult to say on the first question, as many say that their improvisations come from a source beyond their conscious control yet it still feels right to them. And what musician would knowingly make random (or rather, insincere) sounds and feel satisfied as a musician?
jazzmunky 1 year ago
@jazzmunky i would say, music by dolphy is "right" because he intended it to sound that way. while improv may come from, "a source..." the runs are still runs dolphy knows. He might play them "unconsciously" but its really just muscle memory. after practicing for hours and hours, it just comes natural. but at the same time, musicians who have no technicality at all can sound just as good as one who is trained because the muscle memory is just naturally there, its not random to them at all.
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958 Yes. It comes easy to some people. I wish my muscle memory provided me with such good ideas >:( Oh well, at least I can watch Dolphy on youtube.
jazzmunky 1 year ago
@slick82958 First of all, I think your just making excuses for your own incompetence. Second, if you think players who have no idea what there playing can sound just like coltrane or dolphy, you're not listening closely. And third, dolphy isn't just playing what sounds "good" to him, he uses polytonality on the upper chord extentions. Read up a bit before you start waxing musical philosophy. "It's like, art and uh... self-expression." Have fun with that.
GradiusBaller 1 year ago
@GradiusBaller lol (1/2) to answer your first response, I don't play the sax, I play the drums. Secondly, you make it like coltrane and dolphy are the gods of saxes, grow up kid, there are people out there who can copy them word for word, without knowing what they are doing, ive witnessed it myself. Hey, Wes Montgomery had no idea what he was doing, yet go listen to his version of Impressions. Third, again I'm a drummer, so that means nothing to me but wouldn't you think dolphy would want to
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958 whoa "there are people out there who can copy them word for word, without knowing what they are doing" that's definitely not true at all man. come on. can people copy brian blade without knowing what they're doing? elvin jones? tony williams? i think not. and wes' version of impressions sounds a world different than trane's. no need to talk all willy nilly.
Brian4hand 1 year ago
@Brian4hand (1/2) I don't remember my argument with the other person but I'm sure if you read the WHOLE thing you would know what I was talking about. Actually let me try. What I meant by not knowing what they're doing is that they don't know notation or scales, they learned how to play by ear. I know drummers who can't read a single note but they can play like Jones or Blade (come on you brought him into this?) Same with Williams.
slick82958 1 year ago
@slick82958 I'm not sure how "not knowing what they're doing" says anything meaningful about great jazz artists. First, you can't WRITE music (for the most part) if you can't read. Dolphy could read. Just because Dolphy may SOUND (to the untrained ear) like he was blowing BS, don't infer that he was or couldn't read. Ornette can read. Cecil Taylor can read. George Russell... shit... he invented theory (lydian chromatic.) Plus, who gives a shit about theory, really, if you can play your horn!!!
sc0ner 1 year ago
@sc0ner Wow....I hate how you don't even read the whole conversation, you just pick apart my comment without even trying to understand. I'm tired of youtubers coming on here and just get angry about one part without understanding. I wasn't saying not knowing what they're doing is meanful or that you can write music or that eric dolphy was BS, I LOVE DOLPHY. My whole argument to that kid was theory doesnt matter if you can play IDIOT. READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH. Thanks.
slick82958 1 year ago
@Brian4hand (2/2) You have to get out more if you don't think it's possible for a person to model trane, jones, blade or anyone just because they've never had a single lesson in their life. That was my point to the other kid I believe. Wes plays pretty amazing don't agree? Well in case you didn't know, Wes couldn't read a single note.
slick82958 1 year ago
@GradiusBaller (2/2) make sounds that he liked? or do you really think musicians go up there just to sound like garbage? Musical phiosophy? come on kid, you're making it like I think im the smartest person out there, in fact, I think im dumb when it comes to this. I just talk about what I know to people who want to listen. But to come on here, offering nothing but insults, well thats just childish. Let's have a grown up discussion because I feel like you actually have something to offer.
slick82958 1 year ago
@GradiusBaller Give me somelthing good my friend cause while I might not be able to say "he uses polytonality.." I can still argue with you for days about music. lol I LOVE people like you, its been a while since i had a good discussion, (the last one was a guy who listened to Liszt but thought A Tribute to Jack Johnson was garbage) let's keep this going my friend. Let's keep the technicality out and talk about what we're actually hearing, or do you not know how to listen? Have fun with that.
slick82958 1 year ago
@GradiusBaller Oh and one more thing, I think that you're just making excuses for your own incompetence. It's pretty defeating isn't it to hear a musician player better than you, when you know how to say "polytonality on the upper chord extentions" yet the other musician has no idea what a chord is. Again, Wes Montgomery had no knowledge of technicality, only played by ear, yet he's considered the greatest jazz guitarist. Oh and, Have fun with that.
slick82958 1 year ago
@jazzmunky You're absolutely right. I don't know why people hate on Eric Dolphy. He's a master of jazz.
mustachio10 1 year ago 13
@mustachio10 They hate him for the same reason they hate Pablo Picasso or Jackson Pollack James Joyce. His art is not easy and, not unlike quantum physics, strays too far from "common sense" for the average person to understand.
polymath7 9 months ago
@mustachio10: It was an acquired taste for many, but I find his music yummy. I'm glad you do too.
aarfeld 4 months ago
@jazzmunky that's outrageous that people would think that. Sometimes even Coltrane's lines sound random at times.
OneZeroFour104 1 year ago
the other guys like Sun Ra...and whoever else you may accuse of "bullshitting" there way thru the music...well they were just searching and improvising, trying to discover new structures, rhymths, timing, etc. They wanted to go outside the norm. You have to respect style and approach to the instrument...not judge it. It all is coinside, nothing is bogus about what these guys are doing. music gets no better. i wish i could take my blue note records with me to heaven, if i could i would hehe.
DonnieSmooth 2 years ago 23
@DonnieSmooth - you wan't have to take any records - they are all up there wailin' away in concert every day...that's where they came from in the first place - how else can a human play music like this...
vectortemple 1 year ago
@DonnieSmooth
Plus those cats hated the stupid staus quo ideas that have evolved into what we are currently experiencing globally. Sad to say,ignorance is truly bliss among those who rewarded by a dumb system based on lies,money, and false notions of superiority. These gentlemen probably didn't give a damn what others thought as long as they remained truthful and themselves.They called Dizzy Gillespies music ,Jungle Music" Trane's" Ugly"
jazz1bro 1 year ago
I did not expect people to be analizing this guy...leaning towards negitive...like saying him and Pharo didn't know what they were doing half the time and bullshitted thru solos...to explain it astrologyically(which i doubt you'll hear too often, because I study astrology massively and know it well to be true) is that Coltrane was a virgo. Virgos analize everything to the most exact precise detail even if it is boring. so yes coltrane did it like that matematically well thought out.
DonnieSmooth 2 years ago
I love eric ,he always plays on top of the melody,great intuition
dreadtodred 2 years ago
i play trumpet but watching this video makes me want to take up saxophone. eric dolphy is amazing
robotthemusicmaker 2 years ago 2
very well!!
marianolombard 2 years ago
it's a fine line between freedom and anarchy, but Dolphy dances on this line, he doesn't cross it. It's all bop.... and what great bop it is... :)
spectacleAA 2 years ago
wow! Just... wow! I think if I say anything else, it'll just undercut the awesomeness of this!
wyattment1989 2 years ago 2
He's the Bach of Bebop!
jeffersonmugsy 2 years ago 2
I think it's a sad commentary that people are having a hard time accepting innovations from 40 years ago in black and white. I'm totally open to this approach, but maybe I'm just used to hearing modern stuff.
Modes9 2 years ago
i hate retards who hate on dolphy, mostly cuz they hate what they dont understand. its sad to see people talking crap on giants.
hcsk6 2 years ago 2
i agree; it is a truly sad & pathetic sight.
HenryCovert 2 years ago
Dolphy is the man. To me, it is the "quirky" stuff that just doesn't really sound right that is the TRUE essence of jazz. The truth is, as much as some people want to deny it, there is a method to their madness. It is very beautiful stuff from a purely musical standpoint
Twistchawa 2 years ago
excellent way to put it sir.
HenryCovert 2 years ago
Whatisthescore-you should check out his flute playing on Miss Ann-plenty lyrical. Dolphy had the total respect of many of the greats. He absolutely knew what he was doing, was passionate and expressive( and was not imitating anyone-except Charlie Parker indirectly). It took several listens for me to "get" what he was up to. Maybe you should try harder-you won't be disappointed I suspect.
musictflo 2 years ago
Any talk of tone rows is ridiculous though. This isn't Webern. Dolphy's lines come straight from the bop vocabulary, and he's making every chord change. I think his phrasing is throwing you off.
cwaldo1 2 years ago 4
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