Pivs pp XII was my Mother's Father's Uncle. He was a true Saint. He did more for Jewish people than any other Leader in WWII. 90% of his personal inheritance he recieved when his parents died went on saving Jews & others from Nazi atrocities. The only things that survived of his personal items were his small Stamp & Coin Collections. Even those were depleted as he sold or gave away most to help others. It's strange how he was loved even by Israel until the false play the Deputy came out in 1962.
@gennarog3 And I thought he only like dictators like Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pavelik, Salazar and every junta throughout the world. His hatred for other folk spread from Rome, Spain, Italy, Germany, Croatia, Portugal, et. al... and he loved women and homosexuals as well as jews. All that world power, all those concordets, and not one Jew saved, not one unequivocal statement in their defence..... You Mother's Father's Uncle was a ..... !
When you have done that, you may also notice how clerics no longer talk so much about 'Jesus' or 'Jesus' Miracles' -- the walking on water, the immaculate conception, the resurrection, the turning of wine into water. Now, they are more circumspect. Purgatory, out of whcih they wrung millions by way of human misery, has gone. So, too, has Judas, and they know in their black hearts that 'Jesus WAS Caesar'. Checkmate!
The worst crime the RCC commits is to tell lies. If you have not read church history from Porphrry to the present raft of anti-Catholic works, please read the sobering works of Francesco Carotta, Joseph Atwill and whatever you can get of the Piso Family History. There you will see who wrote the 'Gospels' and what they mean. They aren't just provocative works. Indeed, Joseph Atwill claims are demonstrated and stand unbelieveably beyond doubt . As a Christian, you are in for some shock!
Needless to say, all those friedns of mine who joined the priesthood have now left it. A lot of them have trouble with drink, with socialising, and most of them cannot negotiate intimacies with women. In one sense they are to be pittied; but they also take up a phenomenal number of secular posts, sinecures, that they are not qualified to fill. This is another aspect of Chruch Government, which few people ever recognise. Their priviliges are simply stupendous and criminal. . . .
In my country, they appoint and maintain tens of lecturers, hundreds of journalists, lobbyists, propagandists and even politicoes, judges, councillors -- and that is not to include the machinations of parish priests, monkish orders of all sorts -- both to put the best face on their nefarious activities (including 'charities') but also to stifle dissent, criticism or any form of enlightenment. Catholic -- even well-meaning ones -- live under the rock of the 'dark ages'; they hate secular light.
When priests and bishops and nuns play the Christian spiel, they are ever so sweet. And on a personal level, they quite often genuinely intend to be. But the organised political aspects of religion, especially the RCC is hard to comprehend. Only recently we witnessed to what limits they would go to safeguard their dreadful pedophelic practices -- how much more do they use their phenomenal international powers to cover their propensity to war? We can only surmise...
Indeed, most of my generation went off to be priests: they imagined that they were going to 'fight for the poor'; but they little thought that they were used by the greatest imperial power for the past 2,000 in the exploitation of the most weak-minded people in the world. In the Philipines, they still crucify themselves of crossses, thanks directly to the RCC. When the Masons resisted it in Mexico, they started the first war before WW11. You will notice that I do not hide behind a pseudonym.
When I was a child I went to a Catholic school for years. I have to admit that I never saw any being buggered sexually; but I witnessed on a daily basis the beating of young children from the age of three and four years of age, right up to the time they were in their late teens. Nuns were as brutish as 'Christian' Brothers; they used leather straps, linoleum, sticks -- one nun (and secular appointee) used the handle of a golfing putter. And, of course, they used their fists regularly.
Indeed, only this morning on my way into Dublin City, I read one of the Clergy's free rags. It aimed at commuters and embodied attack on a retired Labour TD for her support of an abortion case, and its attack on China for not allowing the Pope to appoint bishops there as he pleased. The same old story... The same old hate brigade, on the personal and the political levels, aimed at attracing weak-minded zealots. Thus, by venal degrees, do tyrants, world tyrants, prosper!
@sebreathnach Oh, so the Church cannot condemn abortion, the killing of unborn children (at conception a new human DNA is created according to SCIENCE) and those who support this murder/execution? Or they have to let the Chinese government appoint bishops?? How ignorant and bigoted can you be?
And lest we forget where we live today -- as we did in antiquity -- how can we forget the RC Church's hatred of Islam? The preparation of the Papacy for the present onslaught on Islam and the murder of Salahadin -- sorry: did I say Salahadin: I meant Osama Bin Laden. . . And there is no one who has read the wretched Pope's expressions who do not understand his capacity -- like his predecessors -- to spread hatred.
@sebreathnach You are ignorant of history! The Arab Muslims overran the Christian Byzantine empire and killed or converted by force millions of Christians in the 7th century and thereafter. The Turks followed them. Ask the modern Coptic Christians in Egypt how life is under Muslim fanatics! Even though the Copts are 10% of the population, they live on the margins of society and are persecuted. Osama's killing a result of the Pope! Are you psycho??!
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "You are ignorant of history! The Arab Muslims overran the Christian Byzantine empire and killed or converted by force millions of Christians in the 7th century and thereafter."
>And it was for this purpose that the Vatican created Islam, according to Cardinal Bea. You are ignorant of history!
FRAGIORGIO1 SAYS, "By the war, just for "history", Islam arose in 622 AD. The Vatican was not used until the Renaissance, about 800 years later."
>Whenever i use the term/word "Vatican", i usually merely refer to the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Institution, no matter what point in its nefarious history. Though carefully hidden, as informed as you come across, I am surprised that you are not aware of papal Rome's involvement in their creation of the 2nd Son of the Devil.
AT first it is not Pope Pius XII or another other Pope; neither is the agreement with hitler indicative; neither then is it with Mussolini, or with Franco. And then it is not with the Mexicans. Why? Because they were all elected Masons and Communists. Nor was it the Russians-- because they were Communists and Jews. The vietnamese were also Communists; then there were Protestants, Witches, Women, Pagans, Donatists, Albigensians, Heretics, Homosexuals... When does the catholic look in the mirror?
@sebreathnach You blather on endlessly with names, but not with facts. In Mexico there were no free elections until 2000! You are quite ignorant if you know nothing about the endless coups de etat that were the way of life there, nor of the anarchy of the Mexican Revolution in which many vied for leadership. The only honest man among them was Zapata. If people elect Communists and elect Nazis it is apparently alright with you. Have you any point to make or real, serious analysis?
@sebreathnach Check your facts. There have been 17 concordats with various states in the last 90 years with both democracies and dictatorships to gain some rights for the Catholic Church in what were either previously hostile states or are at the time of the concordat. You blabber about Hitler and Mussoline, but what about Romania, Latvia, Brazil? Blabber forth in your bigoted ignorance.
Abusive priests are legion. Why I personally refuse to communicate directly with abusive people is because I have usually found them to be ignorant of their catholic past. If one has not read Francesco Carotta, Joseph Atwill and the Piso Family history -- all of whom are agreed upon the fiction of Jesus -- then there is little point in arguing. If you notice how expansive the Christian's capacity for hatred becomes, it is of itself educational. . .
I think that--at worst--Pius was somewhat naive about the Nazis. Like may other statesmen of his time, Pius was a product of the 19th century. The Nazi system was something new that the world had never seen before, and most statesmen---including Pius--did not realize the murderous capabilities and intentions of this new totalitarianism. Remember--the "Final Solution" was a Nazi State Secret. They didn't advertise what they were doing. There were claims and accusations, but nothing positive.
@frantic1971 Pius, as Cardinal Pacelli was well informed about the thugs that the Nazis were and helped Pius XI, his predecessor write an encyclical letter in German against their errors calle "Mit brennenden Sorge" in 1937. He spoke against their pagan ideas as well. He spoke out tirelessly, as was recognized at the time, against ethnic and racial hatred and oppression, which was not only against Jews, by the way! Three million non Jewish Poles were killed in concentration camps.
@FRAGIORGIO1 FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Cardinal Pacelli was well informed about the thugs that the Nazis were and helped Pius XI, his predecessor write an ..."
But what other "directives" could be expected from this Holy See which brought to power Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, and in Belgium, created the 'Christus-Rex' of Leon Degrelle? We understand then, why English authors such as F.A. Ridley, Seeker & Warburg object to the Politics of Pius XI which favoured fascist movements everywhere, silly #753.
'We read something'... some Report. Just another Opus Dei attempt at the most far-fetched propgagnad imaginable, aimed no doubt at the weakest minds in christendom. When you put the Mexican War together with the RCC's antics with Franco, Mussolini and Hitler -- not to mention several other monsters patronised by the Vatican -- this kind of half baked opinionation won't work. It's pathetic!
@sebreathnach The Mexican War? Are you talking about the ferocious repression of Plutarco Elias Calles in the 1920s and part of the '30s? He tried to oppress the 90% Catholic population of Mexico and caused a war in which one million Mexicans died. Masons dominated Mexican politics for much of Mexico's history and persecuted the Church. Under the PRI, Masons and Marxists ruled as dictators. Franco rose in Spain after years of Communist atrocities of destroying churches and killing priests!
#753 FARTS, "Franco rose in Spain after years of Communist atrocities of destroying churches and killing priests!"
>The Vatican can hardly speak of "respect for consciences" as it shamelessly oppresses them in countries where it dominates, such as in Franco's Spain where the Protestants are persecuted. Franco, who was put into power and assisted for his entire reign by Catholic order Opus Dei, who also assisted the Ustasha in Croatia during the Vatican/Jesuit WWII Crusade. Read!
@sebreathnach It is simpletonian and anti-Historical (but hysterical) to say the the Vatican patronized Mussolini and Hitler. You have read very little of real history. There were many problems with Mussolini in spite of the Concordat which was to agree on living space for the Vatican and the Church in Fascist Italy. Finally, however, Pius XI issued the encyclical "Non abbiamo bisogno" denouncing Fascist abuses. Later he also condemned Nazi abuses in "Mit brennenden Sorge" in 1937. Read !
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "..Pius XI issued the encyclical "Non abbiamo bisogno" denouncing Fascist abuses."
Is this "the right to communicate to other minds the treasures of Redemption"? Only empty words can be found to oppose the stack of evidence which proves the culpability of the Vaticans Jesuits. Their help was the main force behind the lightning rise of Hitler who, together with Mussolini and Franco, who in spite of appearances were but war pawns manipulated by the Vatican. Read!
@SpencerBenedict2nd Vulgar Spence is back with a prodigious lack of facts, as usual. This is Stupidity at its best. Hitler and Mussolini , pawns? Har har har! You're a riot, Spence, and the sinister touch of "jesuits". You ought to do screen writing for Vampire stories.
This Pope is undoubtedly one of the largest popes of l' history, which does not remove anything in Jean-Paul II, who is him also a very large Pope. For small reminder, here what says Gary Krupp* in connection with Pie XII :
.../... “Pie XII was the largest hero of the second world war… he saved more Jews than Roosevelt, Churchill and all those which are associated for them. It should not be a reason of litigation between the catholics and the Jews”.
And also information: Among the evidence that Gary Krupp could advance, figure a dated November 30, 1938 circular, signed of the Pacelli cardinal, addressed to nonciatures, to the apostolic delegations and 61 bishops.
This circular required “to find 200.000 visas to allow “catholic not-Aryan” (formula coded to designate the Jews…) to leave the territory of Reich”.
One can read the following precision there: “that lenon day before so that sanctuaries are placed at the disposal to safeguard their spiritual life and to protect their worship, their habits and their traditions religious”.
Little time after, in a letter gone back to January 1939, Pie XII confirmed the contents of her circular in these terms: “Do not only undertake to save the Jews but also the synagogues, the arts centres and all that belongs to their faith: rollers of the Torah, libraries, etc…” …. I do not invite that to help hitler!
* Gary Krupp is a Jew, 62 years old, with the retirement, after having been industrial manufacturing medical equipment. In 2003 it created a foundation Pave the way “Your way” having for goal Prepares “to fill the fractures of comprehension between the religions” But most important is that this foundation financed the investigations and surveys carried out about the relations between Germany main road-Socialist and Pie XII. at the end of which it could affirm in an unquestionable way :
.../... “Did you Know that the Pie XII pope had saved more than 860.000 Jews of the camps of death? I want to say that I did not know it before. C' is a characterized assassination, a “shanda” (a dishonour in Yiddish), that as well Jews says as he was anti-semite”. He added, betraying all the pressure that he had had to undergo: “Believe me, when I was child, I did not dream whom I would defend one day a man that we believe a sympathizer Nazi”.
@duduvissotto You're a complete vulgar ignoramus! Pincus Lapide, a former Israeli minister of state, affirmed in a book I read that Pius XII with his secret underground of papal diplomats, bishops, priests, and nuns saved some 860,000 Jews. He was praised after WW II by Jews everywhere and by the New York Times for having spoken out against racial and ethnic hatred and oppression. Some dolts say he would have saved more if he had condemned the Nazis, blowing the cover of the system. DUMB!
thanks for your opinion, however mine differs from yours. I have ALSO read several books indicating this Pope's unsatisfactory conduct during the WWII. How come such a important figure never condemned the Nazis? You think that was a decent behaviour for a Pope?
Do not call me dumb, that's a sign of your ignorance, after all you don't know me, I won't call you such a name, I don't know you and I respect your convictions, PLEASE respect mine too.
@duduvissotto The "dumb" was for those who think publicly condemning the Nazis and blowing the cover of the secret underground salvation for hundred of thousands of Jews would not bring retaliation and the killing of those same Jews. Read the end of my comment again. I did call you a "vulgar ignoramus" for your manner of expressing yourself. If you are willing to talk as a civilized and intelligent human, I am glad to reciprocate and ignore your previous rant. (continued)
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "The "dumb" was for those who think publicly condemning the Nazis and blowing the cover of the secret underground salvation for hundred of thousands of Jews..."
>The very same "secret underground" then later used to “rescue” many of the worst Nazi and Fascist war criminals at the end of that war, including 700 Nazi families the Vatican bought over into the U.S. via these Knights of Malta and the Vatican Krunoslav Dragonovic Ratlines. Read, dumb!
@SpencerBenedict2nd Many Nazis fleeing from the vengeance of their opponents and possible death, asked the Vatican for help to escape and received help. The Vatican was not there to help revenge killings. Senator Robert Taft opposed the Nuernberg Trials as being a bad precedent for winners to kill losers. General Curtis LeMay promoted fire bombing Tokyo where the main victims were a million Japanese civilians. He was a war criminal but not charged. And there were others.
"General Curtis LeMay promoted fire bombing Tokyo where the main victims were a million Japanese civilians"-FRAGIORGIO1
>The more you spout the quicker you dig your hole. "Romish" payback for the Japanese and their 1639, Exclusion Edict. This time by old bombs away "Iron Pants" Lemay. For nearly two hundred years, the ports of Japan were closed to Jesuit missionaries, who had sought to take over Japan for the proud pope. The 19th century saw Japan brought to her knees... forever.
"Senator Robert Taft opposed the Nuernberg Trials as being a bad precedent for winners to kill losers"-FRAGIORGIO1
>By the time the time the Nuremberg Trials started, secretly directed by Georgetown University Jesuit Priest Edmund Walsh, many key Nazis behind the Holocaust were given fake deaths or safely transported to new countries and given new identities. No mention of the RCC/Jesuit involvement, nor the Roman Catholic statues at the camps was ever officially mentioned, dummy.
@duduvissotto Pope Pius XII was the major figure in the world condemning all racism and ethnic hatred and oppression, and he was universally recognized for that. Three million non-Jewish Poles died in concentration camps from Nazi hatred for Poles. Millions of Chinese were killed by the Japanese. In the US, Blacks were oppressed and even lynched without protection of the law, Hispanics were oppressed and marginalized, American Indian children were seized from their families and taken.....
@FRAGIORGIO1 Thanks for filling in some of the details for us. Very helpful.
"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people." -Brief Bible Readings p. 16
@duduvissotto American Indian children were seized from their families and taken to certain schools to be "civilized" by the government, Japanese-American families were put into concentration camps and their property expropriated. The Soviets had persecuted millions for religious and ethnic reasons, and so was much of the world, full of ethnic hatreds and cruelties, especially in a war that cost around 50 million lives. The Nazis had been condemned by Pius XI in an encyclical in 1937.
@FRAGIORGIO1 Again, thanks for filling in some of the details for us. Very helpful.
"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people." -Brief Bible Readings p. 16
@duduvissotto As for opinions, "THE BIGGEST IDIOT..." was a completely unacceptable expression and not even rational in any way. Further discussion of solid historical on a rational and respectful basis is welcome.
You consider my conviction unacceptable, that is your right. I consider Pope Pius XII am idiot who could have saved thousands of lives, I can certaingly make my own conclusions of this man's unaceeptable conduct. Your solid historical premises are based on religious books, those of the church this man belongs to or have you actually read independet, trustworthy sources? I am not preaching any religion here, so give me facts from respectful resources, not just fallacious assetions.
@duduvissotto The Israel diplomat Pincus Lapide investigated Pius XII secret underground and interviewed many people. He concluded that Pius had probably saved around 860,000 Jews by his secret underground of papal diplomats (John XXIII was one then in Bulgaria & Turkey), bishops, priests, and nuns. See the 1968 (?) movie "Assisi Underground" with James Mason as bishop Placido Nicolini.who had a Franciscan Friar help him hide Jews in the Poor Clares' monastery in Assisi.
@FRAGIORGIO1 Pius XII maintained a papal nuncio (Archbishop Orsenigo) in Berlin throughout the Third Reich. At Pacelli's express wish, Orsenigo opened a gala reception for Hitler's 50th birthday which became a tradition throughout the Third Reich, along with Cardinal Bertram sending "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the Bishops and dioceses in Germany", to which he added "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their alters."
@SpencerBenedict2nd Remember, the concordat was in place and Pius did not wish to break ties completely so as to operate secretly, and the greetings were part of the arrangement. They were not at war with Germany, nor were Sweden and Ireland. Do you understand that?? Why didn't Jews declare themselves publicly and accept false papers as Catholics?? The Nazis didn't touch many of them that way. Do you get it?
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Remember, the concordat was in place and Pius did not wish to break ties completely so as to..." / " The Nazis didn't touch many of them that way. Do you get it?"
>John Cornwell's book "Hitler's Pope", would have been more accurately titled, "Pius' s der Fuerher". Do you get it?
Re: Pope Pius XII (2010) (TV) -- Sotto il cielo di Roma (original title). Does anyone know when this aired in Italy, any of the statistics regarding the viewership and how it was received? Has this made it to any other markets? Any English-speaking ones? Best regards to all.
He was no doubt trying to be a good man in his own way.The epitaph of saint I question.He compromised with Italian and German facism both as Secretary of State and as pontif.Fully realising facism's potential for genocide and dehumanisation. ll because he feared communism more.Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.If it. if Pius had more faith and had been less of a politician he wud have a true defender of human rights.
@2332southside He compromised in order to gain some liberty and rights for the Church. The concordat of 1929 with Italy won recognition of the Vatican's independence of the Italian state. The concordat of 1933 with Germany gave some independence to the Catholic Church just as Hitler was trying to unite all the state Protestant churches into one national church he could control better, and was in relation to the anti-Catholic Kultur Kampf of Bismark in the 1800s.
@randalland1 No, that would be the slanderous Zionists who will receive the flames from the lake of fire. And you will join them for supporting these lies.
@randalland1 Many would question your interpretation of biblical passages. It is also important to keep in mind that Pius XII, propaganda notwithstanding, saved 700,000-860,000 Jewish lives during the Second World War. A good place to begin studying this would be Jewish Orthodox Rabbis David G. Dalin's book, "The Myth of Hitler's Pope."
[note: For purposes of full disclosure, I am Protestant, not Catholic.]
Debunks writes : "Like many intelligent people who lived during his time, Pope Pius was anti-Communist, but that does not imply that he was 'pro-Nazi.' "
I'm afraid it does mean precisely that. And in the world of the 30s it became even more apparent that the Vatican's crusade against Communism gave birth to the worst tin-pot dictators all over the world from Spain to Vietnam....Dream on...
@sebreathnach There is also the question of the Pope's silence on the "Serbian Holocaust", where Catholic priests in the Croatian collaborationist state were at the forefront of the extermination of Serb Muslims and Orthodox christians.
@zooeyhall The pope spoke against ALL racial and ethnic hatreds and oppression and was universally praised for that after the war. Remember the US had put Japanese-American families in concentration camps, discriminated and lynched blacks, discriminated against hispanics, took American Indian children away from their families to "civilize" them, etc.! Did you forget about that? And the Japanese who oppressed Koreans and brutalized the Chinese? And the subjugated European colonies?
@sebreathnach Then I guess Europe and U.S.A. were "pro-Nazi" during the Cold War era according to your flawed logic. My family suffered and died under Communist occupation in Maoist China. But I guess that makes me a "pro-Nazi" too according to you.
@sebreathnach You don't know history. In 1930s Spain, Communists destroyed churches and killed many priests well BEFORE Franco's uprising, and he was joined by many Spaniards. South Vietnam was afraid of Communist oppression (talk to some Vietnamese). Where else? Somoza and Trujillo were US buddies. There were rightist regimes in Eastern Orthodox Eastern Europe. Dollfuss and Schuschnigg in Austria were a reaction to Nazi take-over tactics in the early 1930s. READ !
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "In 1930s Spain, Communists destroyed churches and killed many priests... South Vietnam was afraid of Communist oppression..."
>Remember, communism was perfected by the Jesuits from 1609-1759 on their 59 communist reductions in Paraguay.
Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic? The only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the people. You don't know history. READ !
@SpencerBenedict2nd Communism was Christian in Acts of Apostles, remember? Indians in Paraguay lived in their tribal communities under the protection of the Jesuits. When they were suppressed by the Portuguese and Spanish governments, the Indians were subjected to terrible exploitation and cruelty. See the movie "The Mission" for an idea. Communism made gains due to the social exploitation in many countries, such as China, Guatemala, Italy, Russia, not because Catholic.
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "See the movie "The Mission" for an idea."
>Why? To see how the Jesuit Theatre (Hollywood) corrupts and misrepresents true history? Suppressing from people's knowledge the activities & identity of the entity which directs world machinations? A lot of good that will do. If you'd like to provoke another chuckle, why not suggest i read a modern public school history textbook as well! LOL
Jesuit State of Paraguay? Indians "under the protection of the Jesuits"? LOL
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Indians in Paraguay lived in their tribal communities under the protection of the Jesuits"
>Wait, dont tell me. You were "edukated" (indoctrinated) in a Jesuit college? LOL
The Jesuits made slaves of the Indians, dim-wit. These good savages were duly catechised & trained to live a sedentary life under a discipline as gentle as it was strong: "as an iron hand in a velvet glove"
Read histories concerning the Jesuit "fathers" punishments of their "red" children.
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Indians in Paraguay lived... under the protection of the Jesuits."
>But let us consider how these "poor innocents" as they were called by the marquess de Loreto: "The missions' high culture is nothing more than an artificial product from an hot-house, carrying in itself a seed of death... in spite of all this breaking in and training... He knows that he will get 25 lashings of the whip for it, but also that the good Fathers would never let him starve to death".
@FRAGIORGIO1 Concerning the Jesuits' punishments: "The culprit, dressed in the clothes of a penitent was escorted to church where he confessed his fault. Then he was whipped on the public square according to the penal code... The culprits always received this chastisement,..."The guilty one, having been punished and reconciled, kissed the hand of the one who struck him, saying: "May God reward you for freeing me by this light punishment, from the eternal sorrows which threatened me".
@sebreathnach Franco was no "tin-pot" dictator. He was part of a popular reaction to the destruction of 80 churches and the murdering of priests by the Communists in Spain during the early 1930s. You are a tool of Marxist propaganda. Vietnam was under French rule then and the French did not ask Pius for anything nor do his will. you accuse, but do not know what you are talking about. The Vatican opposed all racial, religious, and ethnic hatreds then seething.
I know that James Cromwell, the actor cast to play Pius, played other somewhat stiff statesmen, like the Duke of Edinburgh and George H.W. Bush. Even so, I'll always think of him as the dirty police captain in L.A. Confidential. "Grand, lad! Grand!"
Why the hell would Hitler want to kidnap Pacelli? Even before he was Pope Pacelli worked in Germany and favoured the Nazis. All you had to do was mention Jews or Communists and you knew where he stood. See 'Massacre in Rome' or 'Butterfly's Tongue' for a local fact-and-fiction perspective....
Like many intelligent people who lived during his time, Pope Pius was anti-Communist, but that does not imply that he was 'pro-Nazi.' Neither did Hitler consult with the future Pope what as to what his future his policies would be down the road, either. Massacre in Rome has no bearing on these issues and neither does a book of fiction. Fact is, all the smears relating to Pope Pius XII are fictitious & figments of the imagination.
@sebreathnach Pacelli was Papal Nuncio with the Weimar Republic before the Nazis came, and he warned of the coming danger of the Nazis. Those Jews who protest against Pius say he should have openly denounced the Nazis. How dumb can you get? Did Schindler denounce them? Should the Jews have openly professed their Jewishness instead of receiving phony baptismal certificates? Hundreds of thousands of Jews were saved by Pius and his underground = FACT.
1 Make everyone believe the Vatican had nothing to do with their war and Jewry Inquisition.
2 Make sure that rebellious nuns/monks/priests were also put into the concentration camps to try to convince the world that the catholic church was also persecuted.
3 Ordered catholic families/priests to protect Jews in their homes so this could be used in the future as good public relations material for books and films.
1 Make everyone believe the Vatican had nothing to do with their war and Jewry Inquisition.
2 Make sure that rebellious nuns/monks/priests were also put into the concentration camps to try to convince the world that the catholic church was also persecuted.
3 Ordered catholic families/priests to protect Jews in their homes so this could be used in the future as good public relations material for books and films.
On the first of May 1938, the "Mercure de France" reminded us of what had been said four years earlier:
"The Mercure de France of the 15th of January 1934 said—and nobody contradicted —that it was Pius XII who 'made' Hitler. He came to power, not so much through legal means, but because the pope influenced the Centrum (german catholic party)... Does the Vatican think it made a political error in opening the way to power to Hitler? It doesn't seem so..."
@SpencerBenedict2nd The Nazis demanded that the Catholic politicians not actively oppose the Nazi government in the concordat. Pius XI consented in order to gain some freedom for the Church, since its goals were not political but for the relative freedom of operation for the Church without state interference. The Nazis were already tightening the screws on everybody, in case you didn't know. What was the ideological orientation of the Mercure? Do you know? No? hmmm.
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "The Nazis demanded that the Catholic politicians not actively oppose the Nazi government in the concordat."
>Your funny. You feign and pretend the Nazi's dictate what goes in papal Concordat's? Are you daft? Or just being coy and playing dumb for any onlookers, again?
The jesuits having usurped the Popes temporal power over all his papal puppets, Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Mussolini, Churchill, Roosevelt etc..... you know your Papa Pope sets the Rules, goof!
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS "The Nazis demanded that the Catholic politicians not actively oppose the Nazi government..."
>LOL, you so funny. The majority of learned folk today know full the Papacy's Concordat demanded that their Nazi subjects enforce the wishes of the Vatican & General Ledochowski's commands that all catholic bishops, priests, etc., conform to the Jesuits Nazi government, or else. Why do you think so many honest disillusioned catholics ended up in papal heretic ovens? sigh
@sebreathnach You have No reference to Pacelli's letters against the Nazis when he was in Germany. What an ignoramus, full of accusations without serious bases.
the guy talking at 0:38 is deaf i think, because the only people I hear critisizing Pius XII are Catholics themselves, Iam dying for this film to come out so it will finally smash some catholics in the face and see what a great man Pius XII was.
FRAGIORGIO1 SPEWS, "Jesuit? Oh, no! The worst accusation! Har har. You are so 16th century"
>Allow me to bring you up to date. I always love it when half-wits like you afford me this opportunity. And BTW, i should thank you now for being such an exceptional vehicle these past few days, for spreading truth about particular and critical subjects you seek to defend, cover-up and hide. You've played quite nicely into my hands. Keep up the good work!
"Jesuit? Oh, no! The worst accusation! Har har. You are so 16th century"- #753
From The New Encyclopedia or Universal Dictionary of Arts and Sciences
(Loyola)... left his disciples two famous books 1. Spiritual Exercises; 2. Constitution or Rules of The Order. But thou these avowed institutes contain many privileges obnoxious to the welfare of society, the most diabolical are contained in the private rules entitled, Monita Secreta.
@FRAGIORGIO1 PART THREE: Jesuit History to Present
from ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA
JESUITS, or the Society of Jesus; a famous religious order of the Romish church, founded by Ignatius Loyola. See Ignatius.--The plan which this fanatic formed of it's constitution and laws was suggested, as he gave out, and his followers still teach,..."; "... his design met at first with violent opposition."; "... a spirit of action and intrigue is infused into all its members."
CONSTITUTION OF THE ORDER Many circumstances occurred in giving a peculiarity of character to the order of Jesuits; informing the members to not only take greater part in the affairs of the world than any other body of monks, but to acquire superior influence in the conduct of them.There is not in the annals of mankind any example of such a perfect despotism exercised, not over monks shut up in a convent, but over men dispersed over all nations of the earth.
@FRAGIORGIO1 PART FIVE A: Jesuit History to Present
From POCKET ENCYCLOPEDIA Or A Dictionary Of Arts, Sciences And Polite Literature, VOL III
JESUITS, members of the Society of Jesus, a religious order of considerable celebrity in modern history. ... a religious body, with a military constitution. Its superior was called its general; and his government was despotic. The plan of this society is at once the production of a large, and of a narrow mind. On one side it is magnificent;...
... ; on the other contemptible. Its motive... benevolent ambition. Its object... universal empire.; "... by every private intrigue it sought to attain an imperious ascendancy over mankind. Its aim was to rectify every disorder in society; and the mean by which this was executed, was the possession of unlimited power.; "... the scourge of mankind.
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SIX A: Jesuit History to Present
from THE YOUTH'S COMPANION Or An HISTORICAL DICTIONARY
JESUITS, a monastic order, instituted by the Pope of Rome... "; While other monks spent their time in cloisters, these were remarkable for their activity and free intercourse with the world; and none were admitted into the order but persona of superior cunning and parts. The Jesuits, by their subtle arts and intrigues, had obtained immense influence in all the popish kingdoms.;..
... and seeking incessantly the aggrandizement of their order without regarding means, they became a most powerful and dangerous body.
from A FAMILY ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF, AN EXPLANATION OF WORDS AND THINGS
JESUITS. An order in the Romish church, political and religious, corresponding with the chief at Rome, and acting as spies in all countries where they are tolerated. In 1773, they were abolished as dangerous to the peace of nations, but restored in 1820.
from THE EDINBURGH ENCYCLOPEDIA VOL XI (regarding members of the Order)
They were sent forth to watch every transaction of the world which might appear to effect the interests of religion, and were especially enjoined to study the dispositions and cultivate the friendship of persons in the higher ranks. ; ... yet nothing could be more strict and secret than its internal organization.; ... a company, such as had never yet appeared, of which...
... of which every member became in reality an irredeemable slave.; The gradation of ranks was only a gradation in slavery; and so perfect a despotism over a large body of men, dispersed over the face of the earth, was never before realized.
The sentence of their abolition was passed by the senates, and monarchs, and statesmen, and divines, of all religions, and of every civilized country in the world. Almost every land has been stained and torn...
... every land has been stained and torn by their crimes; and almost every land bears on its public records the most solemn protests against their existence.:
Till some such superior being shall stoop down to instruct us on this point, and to establish a fact which the Jesuits themselves for two centuries, and by a whole regiment of folios, endeavored to establish... we must venture to conclude, with our forefathers, with the kings, and queens,..
...with the kings, and queens, and parliaments, and judges, and churches of Europe,... that Jesuitism is a public nuisance; and that he who endeavors to let it loose upon society, is chargeable with high treason against the common interests and happiness of his species." See A Brief Account of the Jesuits
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So that should bring you up to speed a little bit. Or at the very least stifle & ruin your credibility when "poo pooing" these cretins
Did you happen to see the documentary for Pope Pius XII on the "darsham" channel, here on YT? If you haven't check it out. It's very good. PS He truly was a saint.
@alaya10008 Yeah. Just search here on YT "darsham Pius XII". It should still be up, I think. Although the translation isn't great, to English from Italian, it's still a very solid production. Really moving.
@Trevoc2 Read some information instead of listening to the dogs bark. If Pius denounced all racial and ethnic hatred and set up a secret underground to funnel hundreds of thousands of Jews out of Nazi control, how is that a collaborator, unless you mean a collaborator of Jews and of God?
@FRAGIORGIO1 I've done lots of research, and created a web page (trevoc dot webs dot com) and my findings are that Pius and the catholic church were in collusion with "Catholic" Hitler and his gang of Jesuit trained henchmen.
@FRAGIORGIO1 The Vatican helped in carrying out of these crimes by "lending" some of its prelates to be made into pro-nazi agents; these were Messeigneurs Hlinka and Tiso. It also sent to Croatia its own legate—R.P. Marcone who, with the help of Monseigneur Stepinac, had to keep an eye on the "work" of Ante Pavelitch & his oustachis.
Wherever we look, the same "edifying" spectacle presents itself. The unpardonable crime lies in the decisive part Pius played in the bringing about this Crusade.
@SpencerBenedict2nd Read in Wikipedia the story of Monsignor (you use French spelling) Tiso and how he helped keep Slovakia independent for a while and after the Vatican told him to stop collaborating with Nazi demands for shipping out Jews, he found the Nazis invaded Slovakia and did what they wanted to. The Ustasha (you use French spelling again!) were Croatian fascists, and Archbishop Stepinac of Zagreb was persecuted by the Nazis, and later by the Communists as well.
FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Read in Wikipedia the story of..."
>Concerning these subjects, "stories" and jesuit fairy-tale fabrications are exactly what people get from this Knights of Malta controlled social engineering website. Give me a break, you know better and so do i. Though you promote Wikipedia cover-up propaganda, i realize you don't buy it. Anyone can put anything they desire on that pulpish rag domain.
But we should discuss Tiso, the Ustasha, Croatian Serbs, and Stepinac, no?
"Read in Wikipedia the story of Monsignor... Tiso and how he helped keep Slovakia independent for a while and after the Vatican told him to stop collaborating with Nazi demands for shipping out Jews,..."-FRAGIORGIO1
>The Jesuit installed papal puppet monseigneur Tiso, of Facist Slovakia, provided the first contingent of Jews, from Slovakia, to be murdered at Auschwitz! Tiso also sent Influential members of the Protestant Church to concentration camps for protestant reduction.
So, the "Holy" See had not "lent" one of its prelates to Hitler in vain. The Jesuit head of state was doing a good job and the satisfaction expressed by Radio Vatican is understandable. And to have been Auschwitz's first provider, what a glory for this "holy" man and for the Company of Jesus!
Moving along, do i need to add that the crony of the blood-thirsty Ante Pavelitch was Monseigneur Stepinac, another lackey Jesuit of the worshipful Company of Jesus?
"The Ustasha... were Croatian fascists, and Archbishop Stepinac of Zagreb was persecuted by the Nazis,..."-FRAGIORGIO1
>Andrija Artukovic, minister of the Interior, was the great organiser of these massacres and compulsory conversions and Artukovic was the lay spokesman of Archbishop Stepinac. Artukovic asked the Archbishop's advice on all his actions. The collusion between the Vatican and the "Oustachi" murderers is clear enough. Or do you need hear more details to be convinced?
Pivs pp XII was my Mother's Father's Uncle. He was a true Saint. He did more for Jewish people than any other Leader in WWII. 90% of his personal inheritance he recieved when his parents died went on saving Jews & others from Nazi atrocities. The only things that survived of his personal items were his small Stamp & Coin Collections. Even those were depleted as he sold or gave away most to help others. It's strange how he was loved even by Israel until the false play the Deputy came out in 1962.
gennarog3 4 months ago
@gennarog3 And I thought he only like dictators like Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Pavelik, Salazar and every junta throughout the world. His hatred for other folk spread from Rome, Spain, Italy, Germany, Croatia, Portugal, et. al... and he loved women and homosexuals as well as jews. All that world power, all those concordets, and not one Jew saved, not one unequivocal statement in their defence..... You Mother's Father's Uncle was a ..... !
sbreathnach100 1 month ago
When you have done that, you may also notice how clerics no longer talk so much about 'Jesus' or 'Jesus' Miracles' -- the walking on water, the immaculate conception, the resurrection, the turning of wine into water. Now, they are more circumspect. Purgatory, out of whcih they wrung millions by way of human misery, has gone. So, too, has Judas, and they know in their black hearts that 'Jesus WAS Caesar'. Checkmate!
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach You've been overdosing on that good Irish whisky, mate! Really, far too much. When you talk like this, you know you need rehab.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
The worst crime the RCC commits is to tell lies. If you have not read church history from Porphrry to the present raft of anti-Catholic works, please read the sobering works of Francesco Carotta, Joseph Atwill and whatever you can get of the Piso Family History. There you will see who wrote the 'Gospels' and what they mean. They aren't just provocative works. Indeed, Joseph Atwill claims are demonstrated and stand unbelieveably beyond doubt . As a Christian, you are in for some shock!
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach HEREWITH BEGINS A LONG, LONG TROLLING SESSION !
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
Needless to say, all those friedns of mine who joined the priesthood have now left it. A lot of them have trouble with drink, with socialising, and most of them cannot negotiate intimacies with women. In one sense they are to be pittied; but they also take up a phenomenal number of secular posts, sinecures, that they are not qualified to fill. This is another aspect of Chruch Government, which few people ever recognise. Their priviliges are simply stupendous and criminal. . . .
sebreathnach 9 months ago
In my country, they appoint and maintain tens of lecturers, hundreds of journalists, lobbyists, propagandists and even politicoes, judges, councillors -- and that is not to include the machinations of parish priests, monkish orders of all sorts -- both to put the best face on their nefarious activities (including 'charities') but also to stifle dissent, criticism or any form of enlightenment. Catholic -- even well-meaning ones -- live under the rock of the 'dark ages'; they hate secular light.
sebreathnach 9 months ago
When priests and bishops and nuns play the Christian spiel, they are ever so sweet. And on a personal level, they quite often genuinely intend to be. But the organised political aspects of religion, especially the RCC is hard to comprehend. Only recently we witnessed to what limits they would go to safeguard their dreadful pedophelic practices -- how much more do they use their phenomenal international powers to cover their propensity to war? We can only surmise...
sebreathnach 9 months ago
Indeed, most of my generation went off to be priests: they imagined that they were going to 'fight for the poor'; but they little thought that they were used by the greatest imperial power for the past 2,000 in the exploitation of the most weak-minded people in the world. In the Philipines, they still crucify themselves of crossses, thanks directly to the RCC. When the Masons resisted it in Mexico, they started the first war before WW11. You will notice that I do not hide behind a pseudonym.
sebreathnach 9 months ago
When I was a child I went to a Catholic school for years. I have to admit that I never saw any being buggered sexually; but I witnessed on a daily basis the beating of young children from the age of three and four years of age, right up to the time they were in their late teens. Nuns were as brutish as 'Christian' Brothers; they used leather straps, linoleum, sticks -- one nun (and secular appointee) used the handle of a golfing putter. And, of course, they used their fists regularly.
sebreathnach 9 months ago
Indeed, only this morning on my way into Dublin City, I read one of the Clergy's free rags. It aimed at commuters and embodied attack on a retired Labour TD for her support of an abortion case, and its attack on China for not allowing the Pope to appoint bishops there as he pleased. The same old story... The same old hate brigade, on the personal and the political levels, aimed at attracing weak-minded zealots. Thus, by venal degrees, do tyrants, world tyrants, prosper!
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach Oh, so the Church cannot condemn abortion, the killing of unborn children (at conception a new human DNA is created according to SCIENCE) and those who support this murder/execution? Or they have to let the Chinese government appoint bishops?? How ignorant and bigoted can you be?
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
And lest we forget where we live today -- as we did in antiquity -- how can we forget the RC Church's hatred of Islam? The preparation of the Papacy for the present onslaught on Islam and the murder of Salahadin -- sorry: did I say Salahadin: I meant Osama Bin Laden. . . And there is no one who has read the wretched Pope's expressions who do not understand his capacity -- like his predecessors -- to spread hatred.
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach You are ignorant of history! The Arab Muslims overran the Christian Byzantine empire and killed or converted by force millions of Christians in the 7th century and thereafter. The Turks followed them. Ask the modern Coptic Christians in Egypt how life is under Muslim fanatics! Even though the Copts are 10% of the population, they live on the margins of society and are persecuted. Osama's killing a result of the Pope! Are you psycho??!
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "You are ignorant of history! The Arab Muslims overran the Christian Byzantine empire and killed or converted by force millions of Christians in the 7th century and thereafter."
>And it was for this purpose that the Vatican created Islam, according to Cardinal Bea. You are ignorant of history!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd HAR, HAR HAR< You're a riot, Spence. Always one for the ridiculous.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 I provide truth to those searching for it.
Some of the universal truths which i supply are inconvenient for many.
What folks decide to do with Truth once confronted with it (first time?), is of course completely up to the individual and matters not to me.
I do not claim you have to be aware of it, or to like it.
Hope this helps. peace
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd By the war, just for "history", Islam arose in 622 AD. The Vatican was not used until the Renaissance, about 800 years later.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 SAYS, "By the war, just for "history", Islam arose in 622 AD. The Vatican was not used until the Renaissance, about 800 years later."
>Whenever i use the term/word "Vatican", i usually merely refer to the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Institution, no matter what point in its nefarious history. Though carefully hidden, as informed as you come across, I am surprised that you are not aware of papal Rome's involvement in their creation of the 2nd Son of the Devil.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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"... just for "history", Islam arose in 622 AD. The Vatican was not used until the Renaissance, about 800 years later."-FRAGIORGIO1
>The details of anti-Christos papal Rome's creation of their 2nd front Islamic tool, Cardinal Bea and Bishop Sheen are full aware, as am i.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
AT first it is not Pope Pius XII or another other Pope; neither is the agreement with hitler indicative; neither then is it with Mussolini, or with Franco. And then it is not with the Mexicans. Why? Because they were all elected Masons and Communists. Nor was it the Russians-- because they were Communists and Jews. The vietnamese were also Communists; then there were Protestants, Witches, Women, Pagans, Donatists, Albigensians, Heretics, Homosexuals... When does the catholic look in the mirror?
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach You blather on endlessly with names, but not with facts. In Mexico there were no free elections until 2000! You are quite ignorant if you know nothing about the endless coups de etat that were the way of life there, nor of the anarchy of the Mexican Revolution in which many vied for leadership. The only honest man among them was Zapata. If people elect Communists and elect Nazis it is apparently alright with you. Have you any point to make or real, serious analysis?
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
@sebreathnach Check your facts. There have been 17 concordats with various states in the last 90 years with both democracies and dictatorships to gain some rights for the Catholic Church in what were either previously hostile states or are at the time of the concordat. You blabber about Hitler and Mussoline, but what about Romania, Latvia, Brazil? Blabber forth in your bigoted ignorance.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
Abusive priests are legion. Why I personally refuse to communicate directly with abusive people is because I have usually found them to be ignorant of their catholic past. If one has not read Francesco Carotta, Joseph Atwill and the Piso Family history -- all of whom are agreed upon the fiction of Jesus -- then there is little point in arguing. If you notice how expansive the Christian's capacity for hatred becomes, it is of itself educational. . .
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach I see you as filled with hatred. Funny that you should speak of Catholic hatred!
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
I think that--at worst--Pius was somewhat naive about the Nazis. Like may other statesmen of his time, Pius was a product of the 19th century. The Nazi system was something new that the world had never seen before, and most statesmen---including Pius--did not realize the murderous capabilities and intentions of this new totalitarianism. Remember--the "Final Solution" was a Nazi State Secret. They didn't advertise what they were doing. There were claims and accusations, but nothing positive.
frantic1971 9 months ago
@frantic1971 Pius, as Cardinal Pacelli was well informed about the thugs that the Nazis were and helped Pius XI, his predecessor write an encyclical letter in German against their errors calle "Mit brennenden Sorge" in 1937. He spoke against their pagan ideas as well. He spoke out tirelessly, as was recognized at the time, against ethnic and racial hatred and oppression, which was not only against Jews, by the way! Three million non Jewish Poles were killed in concentration camps.
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Cardinal Pacelli was well informed about the thugs that the Nazis were and helped Pius XI, his predecessor write an ..."
But what other "directives" could be expected from this Holy See which brought to power Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, and in Belgium, created the 'Christus-Rex' of Leon Degrelle? We understand then, why English authors such as F.A. Ridley, Seeker & Warburg object to the Politics of Pius XI which favoured fascist movements everywhere, silly #753.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
'We read something'... some Report. Just another Opus Dei attempt at the most far-fetched propgagnad imaginable, aimed no doubt at the weakest minds in christendom. When you put the Mexican War together with the RCC's antics with Franco, Mussolini and Hitler -- not to mention several other monsters patronised by the Vatican -- this kind of half baked opinionation won't work. It's pathetic!
sebreathnach 9 months ago
@sebreathnach The Mexican War? Are you talking about the ferocious repression of Plutarco Elias Calles in the 1920s and part of the '30s? He tried to oppress the 90% Catholic population of Mexico and caused a war in which one million Mexicans died. Masons dominated Mexican politics for much of Mexico's history and persecuted the Church. Under the PRI, Masons and Marxists ruled as dictators. Franco rose in Spain after years of Communist atrocities of destroying churches and killing priests!
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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#753 FARTS, "Franco rose in Spain after years of Communist atrocities of destroying churches and killing priests!"
>The Vatican can hardly speak of "respect for consciences" as it shamelessly oppresses them in countries where it dominates, such as in Franco's Spain where the Protestants are persecuted. Franco, who was put into power and assisted for his entire reign by Catholic order Opus Dei, who also assisted the Ustasha in Croatia during the Vatican/Jesuit WWII Crusade. Read!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@sebreathnach It is simpletonian and anti-Historical (but hysterical) to say the the Vatican patronized Mussolini and Hitler. You have read very little of real history. There were many problems with Mussolini in spite of the Concordat which was to agree on living space for the Vatican and the Church in Fascist Italy. Finally, however, Pius XI issued the encyclical "Non abbiamo bisogno" denouncing Fascist abuses. Later he also condemned Nazi abuses in "Mit brennenden Sorge" in 1937. Read !
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "..Pius XI issued the encyclical "Non abbiamo bisogno" denouncing Fascist abuses."
Is this "the right to communicate to other minds the treasures of Redemption"? Only empty words can be found to oppose the stack of evidence which proves the culpability of the Vaticans Jesuits. Their help was the main force behind the lightning rise of Hitler who, together with Mussolini and Franco, who in spite of appearances were but war pawns manipulated by the Vatican. Read!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Vulgar Spence is back with a prodigious lack of facts, as usual. This is Stupidity at its best. Hitler and Mussolini , pawns? Har har har! You're a riot, Spence, and the sinister touch of "jesuits". You ought to do screen writing for Vampire stories.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 Your, "playing dumb", is amusing at the least, and very "played out" in the Information Age.
Furthermore, at your age, both you and your charade is a bit of a joke.
Lastly, your ridiculous and inane attempts to undermine credibility are at once jesuit, ineffectual and transparent.
P.S. These last few days, you have succeeded in woefully exposing yourself to what you are, and what i am dealing with. A fraud of the highest degree.
Hope this helps.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
Highly how Pie XII is béatifié!
This Pope is undoubtedly one of the largest popes of l' history, which does not remove anything in Jean-Paul II, who is him also a very large Pope. For small reminder, here what says Gary Krupp* in connection with Pie XII :
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francineraymonde 10 months ago
.../... “Pie XII was the largest hero of the second world war… he saved more Jews than Roosevelt, Churchill and all those which are associated for them. It should not be a reason of litigation between the catholics and the Jews”.
And also information: Among the evidence that Gary Krupp could advance, figure a dated November 30, 1938 circular, signed of the Pacelli cardinal, addressed to nonciatures, to the apostolic delegations and 61 bishops.
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francineraymonde 10 months ago
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This circular required “to find 200.000 visas to allow “catholic not-Aryan” (formula coded to designate the Jews…) to leave the territory of Reich”.
One can read the following precision there: “that lenon day before so that sanctuaries are placed at the disposal to safeguard their spiritual life and to protect their worship, their habits and their traditions religious”.
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francineraymonde 10 months ago
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Little time after, in a letter gone back to January 1939, Pie XII confirmed the contents of her circular in these terms: “Do not only undertake to save the Jews but also the synagogues, the arts centres and all that belongs to their faith: rollers of the Torah, libraries, etc…” …. I do not invite that to help hitler!
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francineraymonde 10 months ago
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* Gary Krupp is a Jew, 62 years old, with the retirement, after having been industrial manufacturing medical equipment. In 2003 it created a foundation Pave the way “Your way” having for goal Prepares “to fill the fractures of comprehension between the religions” But most important is that this foundation financed the investigations and surveys carried out about the relations between Germany main road-Socialist and Pie XII. at the end of which it could affirm in an unquestionable way :
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francineraymonde 10 months ago
.../... “Did you Know that the Pie XII pope had saved more than 860.000 Jews of the camps of death? I want to say that I did not know it before. C' is a characterized assassination, a “shanda” (a dishonour in Yiddish), that as well Jews says as he was anti-semite”. He added, betraying all the pressure that he had had to undergo: “Believe me, when I was child, I did not dream whom I would defend one day a man that we believe a sympathizer Nazi”.
francineraymonde 10 months ago
THE BIGGEST IDIOT OF HUMANKIND HISTORY
PIUS XII, YOU FUCKING SON OF A BITCH !!!!
duduvissotto 11 months ago
@duduvissotto You're a complete vulgar ignoramus! Pincus Lapide, a former Israeli minister of state, affirmed in a book I read that Pius XII with his secret underground of papal diplomats, bishops, priests, and nuns saved some 860,000 Jews. He was praised after WW II by Jews everywhere and by the New York Times for having spoken out against racial and ethnic hatred and oppression. Some dolts say he would have saved more if he had condemned the Nazis, blowing the cover of the system. DUMB!
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
@FRAGIORGIO1
thanks for your opinion, however mine differs from yours. I have ALSO read several books indicating this Pope's unsatisfactory conduct during the WWII. How come such a important figure never condemned the Nazis? You think that was a decent behaviour for a Pope?
Do not call me dumb, that's a sign of your ignorance, after all you don't know me, I won't call you such a name, I don't know you and I respect your convictions, PLEASE respect mine too.
duduvissotto 9 months ago
@duduvissotto The "dumb" was for those who think publicly condemning the Nazis and blowing the cover of the secret underground salvation for hundred of thousands of Jews would not bring retaliation and the killing of those same Jews. Read the end of my comment again. I did call you a "vulgar ignoramus" for your manner of expressing yourself. If you are willing to talk as a civilized and intelligent human, I am glad to reciprocate and ignore your previous rant. (continued)
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "The "dumb" was for those who think publicly condemning the Nazis and blowing the cover of the secret underground salvation for hundred of thousands of Jews..."
>The very same "secret underground" then later used to “rescue” many of the worst Nazi and Fascist war criminals at the end of that war, including 700 Nazi families the Vatican bought over into the U.S. via these Knights of Malta and the Vatican Krunoslav Dragonovic Ratlines. Read, dumb!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Many Nazis fleeing from the vengeance of their opponents and possible death, asked the Vatican for help to escape and received help. The Vatican was not there to help revenge killings. Senator Robert Taft opposed the Nuernberg Trials as being a bad precedent for winners to kill losers. General Curtis LeMay promoted fire bombing Tokyo where the main victims were a million Japanese civilians. He was a war criminal but not charged. And there were others.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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"General Curtis LeMay promoted fire bombing Tokyo where the main victims were a million Japanese civilians"-FRAGIORGIO1
>The more you spout the quicker you dig your hole. "Romish" payback for the Japanese and their 1639, Exclusion Edict. This time by old bombs away "Iron Pants" Lemay. For nearly two hundred years, the ports of Japan were closed to Jesuit missionaries, who had sought to take over Japan for the proud pope. The 19th century saw Japan brought to her knees... forever.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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"Senator Robert Taft opposed the Nuernberg Trials as being a bad precedent for winners to kill losers"-FRAGIORGIO1
>By the time the time the Nuremberg Trials started, secretly directed by Georgetown University Jesuit Priest Edmund Walsh, many key Nazis behind the Holocaust were given fake deaths or safely transported to new countries and given new identities. No mention of the RCC/Jesuit involvement, nor the Roman Catholic statues at the camps was ever officially mentioned, dummy.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@duduvissotto Pope Pius XII was the major figure in the world condemning all racism and ethnic hatred and oppression, and he was universally recognized for that. Three million non-Jewish Poles died in concentration camps from Nazi hatred for Poles. Millions of Chinese were killed by the Japanese. In the US, Blacks were oppressed and even lynched without protection of the law, Hispanics were oppressed and marginalized, American Indian children were seized from their families and taken.....
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 Thanks for filling in some of the details for us. Very helpful.
"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people." -Brief Bible Readings p. 16
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Reading your Stalinist books again, Spency?
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
@duduvissotto American Indian children were seized from their families and taken to certain schools to be "civilized" by the government, Japanese-American families were put into concentration camps and their property expropriated. The Soviets had persecuted millions for religious and ethnic reasons, and so was much of the world, full of ethnic hatreds and cruelties, especially in a war that cost around 50 million lives. The Nazis had been condemned by Pius XI in an encyclical in 1937.
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 Again, thanks for filling in some of the details for us. Very helpful.
"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people." -Brief Bible Readings p. 16
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@duduvissotto As for opinions, "THE BIGGEST IDIOT..." was a completely unacceptable expression and not even rational in any way. Further discussion of solid historical on a rational and respectful basis is welcome.
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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You consider my conviction unacceptable, that is your right. I consider Pope Pius XII am idiot who could have saved thousands of lives, I can certaingly make my own conclusions of this man's unaceeptable conduct. Your solid historical premises are based on religious books, those of the church this man belongs to or have you actually read independet, trustworthy sources? I am not preaching any religion here, so give me facts from respectful resources, not just fallacious assetions.
duduvissotto 9 months ago
@duduvissotto The Israel diplomat Pincus Lapide investigated Pius XII secret underground and interviewed many people. He concluded that Pius had probably saved around 860,000 Jews by his secret underground of papal diplomats (John XXIII was one then in Bulgaria & Turkey), bishops, priests, and nuns. See the 1968 (?) movie "Assisi Underground" with James Mason as bishop Placido Nicolini.who had a Franciscan Friar help him hide Jews in the Poor Clares' monastery in Assisi.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 Pius XII maintained a papal nuncio (Archbishop Orsenigo) in Berlin throughout the Third Reich. At Pacelli's express wish, Orsenigo opened a gala reception for Hitler's 50th birthday which became a tradition throughout the Third Reich, along with Cardinal Bertram sending "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the Bishops and dioceses in Germany", to which he added "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their alters."
Read, dolt. DUMB!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Remember, the concordat was in place and Pius did not wish to break ties completely so as to operate secretly, and the greetings were part of the arrangement. They were not at war with Germany, nor were Sweden and Ireland. Do you understand that?? Why didn't Jews declare themselves publicly and accept false papers as Catholics?? The Nazis didn't touch many of them that way. Do you get it?
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Remember, the concordat was in place and Pius did not wish to break ties completely so as to..." / " The Nazis didn't touch many of them that way. Do you get it?"
>John Cornwell's book "Hitler's Pope", would have been more accurately titled, "Pius' s der Fuerher". Do you get it?
I know you do, jesuit.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
Re: Pope Pius XII (2010) (TV) -- Sotto il cielo di Roma (original title). Does anyone know when this aired in Italy, any of the statistics regarding the viewership and how it was received? Has this made it to any other markets? Any English-speaking ones? Best regards to all.
QueefyMcq 1 year ago
He was no doubt trying to be a good man in his own way.The epitaph of saint I question.He compromised with Italian and German facism both as Secretary of State and as pontif.Fully realising facism's potential for genocide and dehumanisation. ll because he feared communism more.Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.If it. if Pius had more faith and had been less of a politician he wud have a true defender of human rights.
2332southside 1 year ago
@2332southside He compromised in order to gain some liberty and rights for the Church. The concordat of 1929 with Italy won recognition of the Vatican's independence of the Italian state. The concordat of 1933 with Germany gave some independence to the Catholic Church just as Hitler was trying to unite all the state Protestant churches into one national church he could control better, and was in relation to the anti-Catholic Kultur Kampf of Bismark in the 1800s.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
Saved more Jews than any other country during WWII....
i wish the movie had a bigger budget and an A-List actor to play Pius like Joseph Fiennes
bennyfifty 1 year ago
If anything in the Bible is true, Pius XII is burning in hell.
randalland1 1 year ago
@randalland1 No, that would be the slanderous Zionists who will receive the flames from the lake of fire. And you will join them for supporting these lies.
TheMedievalMan 1 year ago
@randalland1 Many would question your interpretation of biblical passages. It is also important to keep in mind that Pius XII, propaganda notwithstanding, saved 700,000-860,000 Jewish lives during the Second World War. A good place to begin studying this would be Jewish Orthodox Rabbis David G. Dalin's book, "The Myth of Hitler's Pope."
[note: For purposes of full disclosure, I am Protestant, not Catholic.]
Mechanized0 1 year ago
@randalland1 You mean because he preached Jesus Christ, denounced ethnic, racial, and religious bigotry, and saved 860,000 Jews?
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
Debunks writes : "Like many intelligent people who lived during his time, Pope Pius was anti-Communist, but that does not imply that he was 'pro-Nazi.' "
I'm afraid it does mean precisely that. And in the world of the 30s it became even more apparent that the Vatican's crusade against Communism gave birth to the worst tin-pot dictators all over the world from Spain to Vietnam....Dream on...
sebreathnach 1 year ago
@sebreathnach There is also the question of the Pope's silence on the "Serbian Holocaust", where Catholic priests in the Croatian collaborationist state were at the forefront of the extermination of Serb Muslims and Orthodox christians.
zooeyhall 1 year ago
@zooeyhall The pope spoke against ALL racial and ethnic hatreds and oppression and was universally praised for that after the war. Remember the US had put Japanese-American families in concentration camps, discriminated and lynched blacks, discriminated against hispanics, took American Indian children away from their families to "civilize" them, etc.! Did you forget about that? And the Japanese who oppressed Koreans and brutalized the Chinese? And the subjugated European colonies?
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
@sebreathnach Then I guess Europe and U.S.A. were "pro-Nazi" during the Cold War era according to your flawed logic. My family suffered and died under Communist occupation in Maoist China. But I guess that makes me a "pro-Nazi" too according to you.
TheMedievalMan 1 year ago
@sebreathnach You don't know history. In 1930s Spain, Communists destroyed churches and killed many priests well BEFORE Franco's uprising, and he was joined by many Spaniards. South Vietnam was afraid of Communist oppression (talk to some Vietnamese). Where else? Somoza and Trujillo were US buddies. There were rightist regimes in Eastern Orthodox Eastern Europe. Dollfuss and Schuschnigg in Austria were a reaction to Nazi take-over tactics in the early 1930s. READ !
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "In 1930s Spain, Communists destroyed churches and killed many priests... South Vietnam was afraid of Communist oppression..."
>Remember, communism was perfected by the Jesuits from 1609-1759 on their 59 communist reductions in Paraguay.
Why are most Roman Catholic countries Communistic? The only answer is that Communism makes its greatest gains in Roman Catholic countries due to the abounding poverty and ignorance of the people. You don't know history. READ !
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Communism was Christian in Acts of Apostles, remember? Indians in Paraguay lived in their tribal communities under the protection of the Jesuits. When they were suppressed by the Portuguese and Spanish governments, the Indians were subjected to terrible exploitation and cruelty. See the movie "The Mission" for an idea. Communism made gains due to the social exploitation in many countries, such as China, Guatemala, Italy, Russia, not because Catholic.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "See the movie "The Mission" for an idea."
>Why? To see how the Jesuit Theatre (Hollywood) corrupts and misrepresents true history? Suppressing from people's knowledge the activities & identity of the entity which directs world machinations? A lot of good that will do. If you'd like to provoke another chuckle, why not suggest i read a modern public school history textbook as well! LOL
Jesuit State of Paraguay? Indians "under the protection of the Jesuits"? LOL
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Indians in Paraguay lived in their tribal communities under the protection of the Jesuits"
>Wait, dont tell me. You were "edukated" (indoctrinated) in a Jesuit college? LOL
The Jesuits made slaves of the Indians, dim-wit. These good savages were duly catechised & trained to live a sedentary life under a discipline as gentle as it was strong: "as an iron hand in a velvet glove"
Read histories concerning the Jesuit "fathers" punishments of their "red" children.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Indians in Paraguay lived... under the protection of the Jesuits."
>"The Jesuits watch over them like fathers; and, like fathers also, they
punish the smallest mistakes... The whip, fasting, prison, pillory on the
public square, public penance in the church, these are the chastisements
they use... So, the "red" children of Paraguay know no other authority than that
of the good Fathers. They do not even vaguely suspect that the king of Spain is
their sovereign."
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Indians in Paraguay lived... under the protection of the Jesuits."
>But let us consider how these "poor innocents" as they were called by the marquess de Loreto: "The missions' high culture is nothing more than an artificial product from an hot-house, carrying in itself a seed of death... in spite of all this breaking in and training... He knows that he will get 25 lashings of the whip for it, but also that the good Fathers would never let him starve to death".
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@FRAGIORGIO1 Concerning the Jesuits' punishments: "The culprit, dressed in the clothes of a penitent was escorted to church where he confessed his fault. Then he was whipped on the public square according to the penal code... The culprits always received this chastisement,..."The guilty one, having been punished and reconciled, kissed the hand of the one who struck him, saying: "May God reward you for freeing me by this light punishment, from the eternal sorrows which threatened me".
Need more?
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@sebreathnach Franco was no "tin-pot" dictator. He was part of a popular reaction to the destruction of 80 churches and the murdering of priests by the Communists in Spain during the early 1930s. You are a tool of Marxist propaganda. Vietnam was under French rule then and the French did not ask Pius for anything nor do his will. you accuse, but do not know what you are talking about. The Vatican opposed all racial, religious, and ethnic hatreds then seething.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
I know that James Cromwell, the actor cast to play Pius, played other somewhat stiff statesmen, like the Duke of Edinburgh and George H.W. Bush. Even so, I'll always think of him as the dirty police captain in L.A. Confidential. "Grand, lad! Grand!"
moogamax 1 year ago
They should make another film about Pius XI
Popefan1 2 years ago
Why the hell would Hitler want to kidnap Pacelli? Even before he was Pope Pacelli worked in Germany and favoured the Nazis. All you had to do was mention Jews or Communists and you knew where he stood. See 'Massacre in Rome' or 'Butterfly's Tongue' for a local fact-and-fiction perspective....
sebreathnach 2 years ago
Like many intelligent people who lived during his time, Pope Pius was anti-Communist, but that does not imply that he was 'pro-Nazi.' Neither did Hitler consult with the future Pope what as to what his future his policies would be down the road, either. Massacre in Rome has no bearing on these issues and neither does a book of fiction. Fact is, all the smears relating to Pope Pius XII are fictitious & figments of the imagination.
debunks 1 year ago
@sebreathnach Pacelli was Papal Nuncio with the Weimar Republic before the Nazis came, and he warned of the coming danger of the Nazis. Those Jews who protest against Pius say he should have openly denounced the Nazis. How dumb can you get? Did Schindler denounce them? Should the Jews have openly professed their Jewishness instead of receiving phony baptismal certificates? Hundreds of thousands of Jews were saved by Pius and his underground = FACT.
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 Vatican's contingency plans
1 Make everyone believe the Vatican had nothing to do with their war and Jewry Inquisition.
2 Make sure that rebellious nuns/monks/priests were also put into the concentration camps to try to convince the world that the catholic church was also persecuted.
3 Ordered catholic families/priests to protect Jews in their homes so this could be used in the future as good public relations material for books and films.
4. Put on a new face-Vatican II council.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 Vatican's contingency plans
1 Make everyone believe the Vatican had nothing to do with their war and Jewry Inquisition.
2 Make sure that rebellious nuns/monks/priests were also put into the concentration camps to try to convince the world that the catholic church was also persecuted.
3 Ordered catholic families/priests to protect Jews in their homes so this could be used in the future as good public relations material for books and films.
4. Put on a new face-Vatican II council.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 #753
On the first of May 1938, the "Mercure de France" reminded us of what had been said four years earlier:
"The Mercure de France of the 15th of January 1934 said—and nobody contradicted —that it was Pius XII who 'made' Hitler. He came to power, not so much through legal means, but because the pope influenced the Centrum (german catholic party)... Does the Vatican think it made a political error in opening the way to power to Hitler? It doesn't seem so..."
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd The Nazis demanded that the Catholic politicians not actively oppose the Nazi government in the concordat. Pius XI consented in order to gain some freedom for the Church, since its goals were not political but for the relative freedom of operation for the Church without state interference. The Nazis were already tightening the screws on everybody, in case you didn't know. What was the ideological orientation of the Mercure? Do you know? No? hmmm.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "The Nazis demanded that the Catholic politicians not actively oppose the Nazi government in the concordat."
>Your funny. You feign and pretend the Nazi's dictate what goes in papal Concordat's? Are you daft? Or just being coy and playing dumb for any onlookers, again?
The jesuits having usurped the Popes temporal power over all his papal puppets, Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Mussolini, Churchill, Roosevelt etc..... you know your Papa Pope sets the Rules, goof!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS "The Nazis demanded that the Catholic politicians not actively oppose the Nazi government..."
>LOL, you so funny. The majority of learned folk today know full the Papacy's Concordat demanded that their Nazi subjects enforce the wishes of the Vatican & General Ledochowski's commands that all catholic bishops, priests, etc., conform to the Jesuits Nazi government, or else. Why do you think so many honest disillusioned catholics ended up in papal heretic ovens? sigh
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@sebreathnach You have No reference to Pacelli's letters against the Nazis when he was in Germany. What an ignoramus, full of accusations without serious bases.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
the guy talking at 0:38 is deaf i think, because the only people I hear critisizing Pius XII are Catholics themselves, Iam dying for this film to come out so it will finally smash some catholics in the face and see what a great man Pius XII was.
priest008 2 years ago
@priest008 Nice Hegelian Dialectic, jesuit.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd LOL Do you know what Hegelian dialectic even is, Spence? Jesuit? Oh, no! The worst accusation! Har har. You are so 16th century.
FRAGIORGIO1 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART ONE: Jesuit History to Present
FRAGIORGIO1 SPEWS, "Jesuit? Oh, no! The worst accusation! Har har. You are so 16th century"
>Allow me to bring you up to date. I always love it when half-wits like you afford me this opportunity. And BTW, i should thank you now for being such an exceptional vehicle these past few days, for spreading truth about particular and critical subjects you seek to defend, cover-up and hide. You've played quite nicely into my hands. Keep up the good work!
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART TWO: Jesuit History to Present
"Jesuit? Oh, no! The worst accusation! Har har. You are so 16th century"- #753
From The New Encyclopedia or Universal Dictionary of Arts and Sciences
(Loyola)... left his disciples two famous books 1. Spiritual Exercises; 2. Constitution or Rules of The Order. But thou these avowed institutes contain many privileges obnoxious to the welfare of society, the most diabolical are contained in the private rules entitled, Monita Secreta.
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART THREE: Jesuit History to Present
from ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA
JESUITS, or the Society of Jesus; a famous religious order of the Romish church, founded by Ignatius Loyola. See Ignatius.--The plan which this fanatic formed of it's constitution and laws was suggested, as he gave out, and his followers still teach,..."; "... his design met at first with violent opposition."; "... a spirit of action and intrigue is infused into all its members."
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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ENCYCLOPEDIA PERTHENSIS
CONSTITUTION OF THE ORDER Many circumstances occurred in giving a peculiarity of character to the order of Jesuits; informing the members to not only take greater part in the affairs of the world than any other body of monks, but to acquire superior influence in the conduct of them.There is not in the annals of mankind any example of such a perfect despotism exercised, not over monks shut up in a convent, but over men dispersed over all nations of the earth.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART FIVE A: Jesuit History to Present
From POCKET ENCYCLOPEDIA Or A Dictionary Of Arts, Sciences And Polite Literature, VOL III
JESUITS, members of the Society of Jesus, a religious order of considerable celebrity in modern history. ... a religious body, with a military constitution. Its superior was called its general; and his government was despotic. The plan of this society is at once the production of a large, and of a narrow mind. On one side it is magnificent;...
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART FIVE B: continued
... ; on the other contemptible. Its motive... benevolent ambition. Its object... universal empire.; "... by every private intrigue it sought to attain an imperious ascendancy over mankind. Its aim was to rectify every disorder in society; and the mean by which this was executed, was the possession of unlimited power.; "... the scourge of mankind.
UP NEXT: from THE YOUTH'S COMPANION Or An HISTORICAL DICTIONARY: JESUITS
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SIX A: Jesuit History to Present
from THE YOUTH'S COMPANION Or An HISTORICAL DICTIONARY
JESUITS, a monastic order, instituted by the Pope of Rome... "; While other monks spent their time in cloisters, these were remarkable for their activity and free intercourse with the world; and none were admitted into the order but persona of superior cunning and parts. The Jesuits, by their subtle arts and intrigues, had obtained immense influence in all the popish kingdoms.;..
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SIX B: Jesuit History
... and seeking incessantly the aggrandizement of their order without regarding means, they became a most powerful and dangerous body.
from A FAMILY ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF, AN EXPLANATION OF WORDS AND THINGS
JESUITS. An order in the Romish church, political and religious, corresponding with the chief at Rome, and acting as spies in all countries where they are tolerated. In 1773, they were abolished as dangerous to the peace of nations, but restored in 1820.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SEVEN A: Jesuit History
from THE EDINBURGH ENCYCLOPEDIA VOL XI (regarding members of the Order)
They were sent forth to watch every transaction of the world which might appear to effect the interests of religion, and were especially enjoined to study the dispositions and cultivate the friendship of persons in the higher ranks. ; ... yet nothing could be more strict and secret than its internal organization.; ... a company, such as had never yet appeared, of which...
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SEVEN B: Jesuit History
... of which every member became in reality an irredeemable slave.; The gradation of ranks was only a gradation in slavery; and so perfect a despotism over a large body of men, dispersed over the face of the earth, was never before realized.
The sentence of their abolition was passed by the senates, and monarchs, and statesmen, and divines, of all religions, and of every civilized country in the world. Almost every land has been stained and torn...
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SEVEN C: Jesuit History
... every land has been stained and torn by their crimes; and almost every land bears on its public records the most solemn protests against their existence.:
Till some such superior being shall stoop down to instruct us on this point, and to establish a fact which the Jesuits themselves for two centuries, and by a whole regiment of folios, endeavored to establish... we must venture to conclude, with our forefathers, with the kings, and queens,..
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SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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@FRAGIORGIO1 PART SEVEN D: Jesuit History
...with the kings, and queens, and parliaments, and judges, and churches of Europe,... that Jesuitism is a public nuisance; and that he who endeavors to let it loose upon society, is chargeable with high treason against the common interests and happiness of his species." See A Brief Account of the Jesuits
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So that should bring you up to speed a little bit. Or at the very least stifle & ruin your credibility when "poo pooing" these cretins
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
Wow....I can;t wait. This man was a living Saint. The World ows this man so much. Pius XII, pray for us!
jgrisso07 2 years ago 12
Did you happen to see the documentary for Pope Pius XII on the "darsham" channel, here on YT? If you haven't check it out. It's very good. PS He truly was a saint.
TenderTrap86 2 years ago 6
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is there a online version of the move you have seen?
alaya10008 1 year ago
@alaya10008 Yeah. Just search here on YT "darsham Pius XII". It should still be up, I think. Although the translation isn't great, to English from Italian, it's still a very solid production. Really moving.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@alaya10008 Oh, yeah it's still on YT. Just checked. Search "the first years of Eurgenio Pacelli", for the first video in the series. :)
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@jgrisso07 One man's "saint" is another man's collaborator.
Trevoc2 1 year ago
@Trevoc2 Read some information instead of listening to the dogs bark. If Pius denounced all racial and ethnic hatred and set up a secret underground to funnel hundreds of thousands of Jews out of Nazi control, how is that a collaborator, unless you mean a collaborator of Jews and of God?
FRAGIORGIO1 9 months ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 I've done lots of research, and created a web page (trevoc dot webs dot com) and my findings are that Pius and the catholic church were in collusion with "Catholic" Hitler and his gang of Jesuit trained henchmen.
Trevoc2 9 months ago
@FRAGIORGIO1 The Vatican helped in carrying out of these crimes by "lending" some of its prelates to be made into pro-nazi agents; these were Messeigneurs Hlinka and Tiso. It also sent to Croatia its own legate—R.P. Marcone who, with the help of Monseigneur Stepinac, had to keep an eye on the "work" of Ante Pavelitch & his oustachis.
Wherever we look, the same "edifying" spectacle presents itself. The unpardonable crime lies in the decisive part Pius played in the bringing about this Crusade.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Read in Wikipedia the story of Monsignor (you use French spelling) Tiso and how he helped keep Slovakia independent for a while and after the Vatican told him to stop collaborating with Nazi demands for shipping out Jews, he found the Nazis invaded Slovakia and did what they wanted to. The Ustasha (you use French spelling again!) were Croatian fascists, and Archbishop Stepinac of Zagreb was persecuted by the Nazis, and later by the Communists as well.
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FRAGIORGIO1 FARTS, "Read in Wikipedia the story of..."
>Concerning these subjects, "stories" and jesuit fairy-tale fabrications are exactly what people get from this Knights of Malta controlled social engineering website. Give me a break, you know better and so do i. Though you promote Wikipedia cover-up propaganda, i realize you don't buy it. Anyone can put anything they desire on that pulpish rag domain.
But we should discuss Tiso, the Ustasha, Croatian Serbs, and Stepinac, no?
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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"Read in Wikipedia the story of Monsignor... Tiso and how he helped keep Slovakia independent for a while and after the Vatican told him to stop collaborating with Nazi demands for shipping out Jews,..."-FRAGIORGIO1
>The Jesuit installed papal puppet monseigneur Tiso, of Facist Slovakia, provided the first contingent of Jews, from Slovakia, to be murdered at Auschwitz! Tiso also sent Influential members of the Protestant Church to concentration camps for protestant reduction.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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"Read in Wikipedia the story of Monsignor (you use French spelling) Tiso and how he helped..."-FRAGIORGIO1
>Radio Vatican, in June of 1940, announced: "The declaration of
Monsignor Tiso, chief of the Slovakian state, stating his intention to
build up Slovakia according to a Christian plan, has the full approval of the Holy
See".
It's no secret Tiso's regime, was especially afflicting for the Protestant
Church of that country, which comprised one fifth of that population.
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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So, the "Holy" See had not "lent" one of its prelates to Hitler in vain. The Jesuit head of state was doing a good job and the satisfaction expressed by Radio Vatican is understandable. And to have been Auschwitz's first provider, what a glory for this "holy" man and for the Company of Jesus!
Moving along, do i need to add that the crony of the blood-thirsty Ante Pavelitch was Monseigneur Stepinac, another lackey Jesuit of the worshipful Company of Jesus?
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
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"The Ustasha... were Croatian fascists, and Archbishop Stepinac of Zagreb was persecuted by the Nazis,..."-FRAGIORGIO1
>Andrija Artukovic, minister of the Interior, was the great organiser of these massacres and compulsory conversions and Artukovic was the lay spokesman of Archbishop Stepinac. Artukovic asked the Archbishop's advice on all his actions. The collusion between the Vatican and the "Oustachi" murderers is clear enough. Or do you need hear more details to be convinced?
SpencerBenedict2nd 1 month ago
@jgrisso07 Hear, hear!
Hkepfer 1 year ago
This could well be an excellent film.
AFaithfulServant 2 years ago 2
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Don't waste your money.
excatholics 2 years ago
@excatholics You're offering to pay for us all then? Quite generous of you.
DarrylCross 1 year ago