Muslims claim many caves to be the authentic one. One in Tarsus has a mosque built over it. Another spot is in Jordan. Then there is one in Iran and one in Iraq. Muslims like to embellish these tales in order to validate Islam, which is based on many fictional tales taken from other religious sources. They claim many different tombs for Daniel the prophet as well.
this story was told way before the koran ever was ,,, so lets talk HISTORY your leaving out some very important facts are nt you ? like it perwritten before ? before the koran was written , BEFORE THE KORAN WAS WRITTEN , this is a lie a taqyyah and haram
That a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras that were recited over a period of just 23 years are subject to abrogation, demonstrates that either Allah was lost in a state of total confusion, or it demonstrates the changing whims of the Quran's real author, Mohammed (with the help of his X-"Christian" friend Jabr, and his tri-lingual Jewish secretary, just to name a couple.)
Yusuf Ali - Surah 59:7 What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger...
"Allah ordered Jihad = Mohammad & his people are murderers <---- you don't look into the details."
Sure I do. It was reprobate imperialistic conquest. Mohammed's "Allah" even described the "how to's" of pimping out your sex slaves:
Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution WHEN they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
But WHEN they dont want to preserve their chastity, like maybe want to share the cash like prostitutes today (or more likely just to get away from the pig that enslaved them for a while), go ahead and pimp em out and make some gain!
And even if you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
That Allah's a pretty convenient god!
What kind of phony god is one that condones prostituting sex slaves?
It's amazing how Bush was 'inspired by God' to go to war in Iraq and kill millions of innocent women and children. PARTICULARLY IN THIS 21ST CENTURY. Eh? BROTHER Jew....
you already moaned about this sura enough in my inbox...yes it talks about the rules of war, but there's nothing that says he was a thief, if he took gold & money of those who lost the battle, well...that's a battle ! & they 're the ones who started it, but they've lost it, some died & some ranaway living behind his money & even his children & women...so....everything is clear in the sura & the seera too.
for the third time, you can not use Allah's words to denny Mohammad's prophecy, get it !
"...yes it talks about the rules of war, but there's nothing that says he was a thief,..."
Try wearing anothers shoes.
Surely even you can see that you are saying you believe God would approve of men conquering a peaceful, productive little town, and knocking down doors, stealing livestock, money, family heirlooms, and taking 9 year old daughters and wives to press into sexual service in their harem.
Well that's what happened through Islamic imperialistic conquest all the way to France.
But Mohammed's caravan plundering, murder of poets, capture and enslaving of women from imperialistic attack are from the hadith and Quran, You're calling your own books fiction.
The Islamic First Jihad imperialistic conquest all the way up to Tours France and Vienna Austria are a matter of historical fact. Pillage, plunder murder and capture and rape of women.
i do not say about my own books fiction, i thought you're the ones who say Quran is created by Mohammad !
What you said is right, it did happen in th ebattles of Mohammad, but i'm talking about the facts , you're twisting them to fit with your silly claims, you're making Mohammad looks like a thief & murderer, that's the way you all twist the facts....
& that's basically why i said you can't deny Quran with Quran, because the verse is clear, but you twist its meaning to make it look evil
Example : when Jerry drops tomatoes on the dog, the dog doesn't bother to look into the matter, he just hunt Tom cuz he saw the tomatoes in his hands....
that's what you do : Allah ordered Jihad = Mohammad & his people are murderers <---- you don't look into the details. because that's enough to support your false claims.
now i'm off for my vacancy...i'll be back in Ramadan....keep commenting if you like..
It is impossible to 'prove' such a story. You have not disproved my video. It is obvious for anyone except a muhammadan that the legend of the seven sleepers is FICTION. Well, it is your choice if you want to believe that it is the word of Allah, you're free to believe what you like. However, it has no factual basis. It's a fabrication.
If God has come down to earth & showed himself to you, you will say its fabrication....so say you don't wanna believe in God, not that there's no proofs on him becuase there are, & my video shows some.......& i repeat the same challenge....
go ahead & give us somethig like Quran if you claim that Quran is easily created by a man.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Now...you produce a "sura like that." A powerful description of love, not power or authority, remotely similar to this does NOT exist in the Quran.
No...you didn't quote a "sura like that." The Quran isn't from God, because it contains only repeated statements of the "power" of Allah, and it only gives Mohammed permission to do anything he wants.
You are the one upholding the law, and your Quran apes Jewish folklore. Our prayers for you continue...
Mohammed got many of his fables from his tri-lingual Jewish secretary, and his good friend and ex"Christian" Jabr.
So often did Mohammed receive a "revelation" after one of his visits with Jabr that the local nickname for Jabr became "holy spirit".
Things got so embarrassing that Mohammed had to write a special sura for him:
Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
hahahaha you people always have to create a fictonal story just to deny the obvious truth that's infront of your eyes ! so pathetic....
16:103 - "say the holy spirit (gabriel) has brought this dwn from your God with the truth to confirm those who believed, & a guidance & glad tidings for the muslims (believers)"
this is the verse you're talking about ? what about it !!! what's in it that disproves my video ?
Is this an example of how you separate truth from fiction? Which Quran did you just quote? The Quran I have says that you misquoted your own scripture...the first quotation is the correct one.
Here's the following & correct verse 103 from surah 16:
"& we know that they say , its only a human that teaches him, & his mother tongue is "aajami" (foreign) & this is clearly an Arabic tongue (language)" <--- almost the same translation as brotherjw. still the same meaning.
So ! nothing changed, what about it ? what's in it disproves my video ?
If Mohammed couldn't even communicate with Jabr, why would Mohammed feel compelled to deny that Jabr was teaching him, to those that made fun of Mohammed because they knew the truth?
"You have to understand something, you can never..NEVER use a verse from Quran or a Hadith from Sunna to disprove something in Islam....."
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That is of course preposterous since a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. That is Mohammed DISPROVES HIMSELF all over the Quran. Even Mohammed knew what a mess he made of his book over just 23 years.
Abrogation is detailed in the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh
What i meant is, you can't use Qur'an against Qur'an, or in another meaning , you can't use sth from Islam to denny another thing in Islam.
Qur'an explains itself by itself, & the things that aren't explained , are explained by Sunna....
You think this is the bible ? a page disproves the following one. a pretty messed up book full of contradictions ? <--- these are not my words btw, former CHRISTIANS said that.
Give me just one single verse where Mohammad disproves himself !
From your first paragraph, do you mean to tell us that we are not "allowed" to use internal criticism to verify the claims of the Quran? This statement indicates weakness, because if you, a Muslim, won't listen to obvious internal problems with the Quran, then you are the one who is blindly believing this book.
Once again, the god of Islam is a different god than the God of the Bible, who commands us to test and verify all things.
Mohammed himself admits that he contradicts himself:
Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Would be comical if not so tragic.
Not abrogated.... just.... substituted!!!.... for something.... better!!!!..... or... er... similar!!!
Stop what? Speaking the truth about Mohammed? The original video clearly elucidates a pre-existing Jewish folk tale that is repeated in Sura 18, and you made a video that tries to globalize, rather than directly addressing the point of the original video.
Now, you are making some irrelevant point, "where did he copy the future from," and trying to tell us that the Quran can't stand up to internal criticism. You are only burying yourself here...
I adressed the exact point of your friend's video, well...go ahead, show me what proofs does your friend have in his video, there isn't any.....or try to disprove the obvious & clear evidences i have in my video & i have a lot.
& you're wrong about Quran, Mohammad can not do whatever he wants, not Allah talks only about power...see ? this i swhat i call ignorance, why do u insist to talk about sth & you know you know nothin about !
Note that the bible is written by a bunch of men, so do not throw stones on me if your house is made of glass !
The verse that brotherjw gave me, in which Mathew says that Jesus have authority over the heavens & the earth. clearly shows how Mathew thought that it was the words of Jesus ! simpy because he can't see Gabriel revelating to him from Allah. & so Mathew & the rest of the team judged that it was the word of Jesus, they were simple minded & so you are.
Have you ever read the Bible for any other purpose than to find fault? About 15 years ago, I read the Quran during my own search for truth and God, and I learned not truth nor God. You will probably just assert that I know nothing about the Quran because I didn't become Muslim...I disagree, therefore I lie.
Since you are convinced against evidence, and will spin and twist until your thinking fits your preconceptions, I'll just pray fervently for you, friend...God bless.
Have you studied Quran as the word of Mohammad ? or the word of God ? or just a book !
just tell me, if Mohammad copied PAST old legends from jews & romans..etc. where did he copy the FUTURE from ? what about science & what people still discover ! how did Mohammad know Makka is the center of earth ? what about the light from Kaaba ? & the black stone & the power (energy), haven't you search about that !!!
do not pray to GOD for me !!! i have direct contact with him, he calls me 5 times a day, & with his generosity he's allowing me to call him all the day & all the time.....yet at night near the dawn, he personaly comes down for me to ask if i need anything.....
the one you call "god" is in heaven waitin permission from my god to come down & break the cross & pray behind muslims....
i'm off for my summer vacancy...see ya when i'm back....CIAO
Ehem... Universities have been established on the grounds of finding fault in the Qur'an... 1400 years Zero-Hundred faults... ( that's 000)... It's a well known fact that when you drop an apple it goes up and not down because gravity pushes you up and does not pull you down...
Surely even you can see the foolishness in your declaration since a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. Mohammed was right up front about what a mess he made of it:
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
Preposterous to suggest that God would be in a state of confusion - and over a 23 year period!
really so the earth being [fixed abode ] fixed /not moving ,abode / home , place, is correct? or the flying buraq is real ? and what are seven earths and seven skys ? and women emit a droplet from between their back bones and their ribs ? a bloody clot , we need to talk first the greeks said this 1000 year before there was a koran , and they were wrong upper thorax is not lower pelvic and an ovum is not a bloody clot and are ten layers to the sky and nine layers to the earth
Your question about Mohammad shows how simple minded you are, this is like saying "if Allah is real why doesn't he show himself?" <-- thats the type of question you're asking...
well, why did he need Mohammad !! why do u think he needed Jesus ? & John, Zecharia, Solomon, David, Moses, Aaroon & Abraham & Noah...etc !! why ?
If Allah is God, why do we need Mohammed? The first 20 seconds of your video is irrelevant.
The story of the 7 sleepers of Ephesus is a Jewish myth, not accepted by Jews but accepted by Muslims, without question. Isn't this the point of the original video? You haven't refuted anything.
The Quran is a book of myth, not fact or information.
No, I don't blindly follow anything. The NT tells me to test all things, and hold fast to the good and true (1Thess. 5:21).
Jesus was not only a man, but He was also God and was aware of His divinity while on this planet (John 1:1, 8:58).
I distinguish truth from fiction by examining evidence. If the Quran features previously written folklore, then the Quran is the creation of man...simple, really.
You're following Jesus blindly, give me one good proof he is a God.
We on the other hand are able to distinguish the truth from the false, its enough to know such thing as "the son of God" to know it doesn't make any sense. let alone the trinity & the man-written bible.
The Quran features miracles that no one ever could come up with.....go ahead ! accept the challenge aged 1400 year, & give sth like Quran, just a verse...one verse. note that its been 1400 year & no one dared to try.
Jesus states that He and the Father are one, literally (John 14:10-11). Jesus states that He is equal and co-eternal with the Father (John 8:58), to the point that Jews picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy. Jesus cast out demons, raised people from the dead, and forgave sin, so many times that to quote them all would fill up the 500 characters. Given this information, I'd say that the burden of proof is on Islam to prove that Jesus is NOT God.
The Quran has no real miracles, and has been proven to be an evolving document that didn't get codified until nearly 100 years after the death of Mohammed.
What I think that you meant to say, in the last sentence of your comment, is that no Muslim scholar has dared to try...
I haven't mentioned the historical errors made by the Quran...I can mention 3 off the top of my head, and there are many others, as well.
Another Muslim who wants the exact words "I am God" to come out of the mouth of Jesus. Never mind that Jesus claimed the title "I AM" in John 8:58, the same one God used when giving the law to Moses.
Well, to make that argument stick, the Quran would have to have Jesus stating, in Aramaic, in His own words: 1. I am not God. 2. I am not the Son of God. 3. I did not come to die for your sins. 4. I did not come to rise from the dead on the third day.
I knew it ! you got no proofs at all, you're just believing old legends that says jesus is god & jesus is the son of God. yet you calling Quran "legends" !! solve the mess of your man written books first...!! & you said you're not "following blindly"....
Do you mean you want sth from Quran where Jesus is clearly not God ?
"Surely disbelieved, those who said Allah is Jesus the son of Mary" [5:71]
" & the Jews said Uzeir is the son of Allah, & the Nasara (christians) said Jesus is the son of Allah, that's what they say with their own mouths, not like those who disbelieved before them, may Allah fight them, how can they switch from truth to false. [9:30]
"& Jesus the son of mary said: O children of israel i am the messenger of allah to you confirmng what was before me in the Torah, & giving the glad tidings of a messenger that comes after me called Ahmed, but when he (Jesus) showed them the good proofs they say this is clearly magic. [61:6]
Jesus didn't say that He wasn't God, or the Son of God, or that He didn't die for our sins, or that He didn't rise on the third day. Once again, you changed the argument to fit your own inability to prove or refute anything. Also, Mohammed's name can only be contrived to resemble "ahmed." Arabic descended from the Syriac from Aramaic.
My friend, please stop the spinning, be still and know that Jesus is God...I pray that He speaks this truth to you, today.
I do not have to change anything ! i have my religion, you are the lost ones who have nothing...
The verse i gave you, th emission opf Jesus is clear, if you don't agree, give sth from your book that says what you calim, Jesus the son og God deid for you !
if you have no proof for your man made cult, you have no rights to deny my religion either.
Mohamamd 's name is not Aramaic, its arabic & has a meaning ! can you tell me ..was Jesus called Jesus in ramaic ? of course not...theres no J nor S in the end.
Sura 9:30 and 5:71 is not Jesus Himself speaking. It is someone else speaking about Him. You have failed, and your argument is invalid.
Jesus forgave sin, raised the dead, cast out demons, and fulfilled prophecy...Jesus referred to Himself with the same name used by God when He gave the law to Moses. He said that He was God, to people whom He was sent, in language they understood...otherwise, why would Jews want to stone Him for blasphemy?
I did not fail ! i gave you a verse where Allah quotes Jesus, you don't wanna believe its your problem not mine.
you have failed, & could not prove that Jesus is God, that's why you simply won't accept my clear verse where Jesus says he is a messenger of Allah. you asked for words of Jesus & i gave you ones.
I asked for proof that Jesus is God, you gave me nothing, but claims & legends..
If you have no proofs for your man made cult, you have no rights to deny my devine religion either.
All that you have proven is that you don't know how to quote the actual words of Jesus. Furthermore, by your own admission, you have proven that Allah directly contradicted the truly quoted words of Jesus in the NT.
Via third-party attestation by Roman and Jewish historians, the NT has been verified as an historically accurate text. The Quran has no such evidence, and thus, is a book which needs to be taken on blind faith.
It's stunning that folks would follow a common thief, isn't it?
Sura 8 - "Spoils of War - Booty" details Mohammed's 1/5 share (like a Mafia Don) of the property stolen from others through pillage, plunder and imperialistic conquest.
That "booty" includes girls and married women.
But how else would Mohammed get the money to maintain so many wives and concubines?
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators...10 Nor thieves...
I prefer following a good man of love & mercy, who peopel is calling him a thief (& thats of course made up like every other thing they say) because they can't accept him !
I prefer following him because he gave me the truth.
I prefer following him than following a bunch of men who wrote a book & claimed its from Jesus.
I perfer following him than worship a human who is not acknowledging me nor now neither in the judgement day !
Your errors of logic continue unabated...the words of Jesus have a much better "isnad" than any that exist for Mohammed. Matthew and John were the companions (apostles) of Jesus, Mark was the personal assistant of Peter, and Luke interviewed and researched tens of other companions of Jesus for Luke-Acts.
You should go back to your imams and ask them why they mislead you, then used bad logic to back up their "education."
Your video remains off topic, and you have refuted nothing...
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zulfitareen 2 days ago
Masha Allah, I really enjoyed the style of your video! Go headfirst Brother!.
hamzah938 7 months ago
Masha Allah, may Allah reward you for your work bro
visionofislam 9 months ago
Muslims claim many caves to be the authentic one. One in Tarsus has a mosque built over it. Another spot is in Jordan. Then there is one in Iran and one in Iraq. Muslims like to embellish these tales in order to validate Islam, which is based on many fictional tales taken from other religious sources. They claim many different tombs for Daniel the prophet as well.
apologiamixer 2 years ago
This is proof that Muslims are quite gullible
apologiamixer 2 years ago
this story was told way before the koran ever was ,,, so lets talk HISTORY your leaving out some very important facts are nt you ? like it perwritten before ? before the koran was written , BEFORE THE KORAN WAS WRITTEN , this is a lie a taqyyah and haram
Primuscrusader 2 years ago
That a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras that were recited over a period of just 23 years are subject to abrogation, demonstrates that either Allah was lost in a state of total confusion, or it demonstrates the changing whims of the Quran's real author, Mohammed (with the help of his X-"Christian" friend Jabr, and his tri-lingual Jewish secretary, just to name a couple.)
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brotherjw 2 years ago
Oops sorry spelt JW as Jew, my mistake in reading your name wrong. Brotherjw*** =)
DoctorWest 2 years ago
Yusuf Ali - Surah 59:7 What Allah has bestowed on His Messenger (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to Allah,- to His Messenger...
brotherjw 2 years ago
watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0
brotherjw 2 years ago
"Allah ordered Jihad = Mohammad & his people are murderers <---- you don't look into the details."
Sure I do. It was reprobate imperialistic conquest. Mohammed's "Allah" even described the "how to's" of pimping out your sex slaves:
Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution WHEN they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
brotherjw 2 years ago
But WHEN they dont want to preserve their chastity, like maybe want to share the cash like prostitutes today (or more likely just to get away from the pig that enslaved them for a while), go ahead and pimp em out and make some gain!
And even if you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
That Allah's a pretty convenient god!
What kind of phony god is one that condones prostituting sex slaves?
brotherjw 2 years ago
to them means to the girls, whats so weired about that !! it only shows how Allah is fair & merciful.
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Allah ordred jihad = Mohammad & his people are self defending. it is that simple.
justmside 2 years ago
Indeed. Amazing, isn't it. Particularly in this 21st century.
brotherjw 2 years ago
It's amazing how Bush was 'inspired by God' to go to war in Iraq and kill millions of innocent women and children. PARTICULARLY IN THIS 21ST CENTURY. Eh? BROTHER Jew....
DoctorWest 2 years ago
"... peopel is calling him a thief (& thats of course made up like every other thing they say) ..."
Don't you have a Quran? A whole Sura:
8 AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
Why lie about something so verifyable?
YOUR OWN BOOK proves he was a thief.
Sura 8:41 And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger...
The Islamic First Jihad raped, pillaged, and plundered all the way up to France.
brotherjw 2 years ago
you already moaned about this sura enough in my inbox...yes it talks about the rules of war, but there's nothing that says he was a thief, if he took gold & money of those who lost the battle, well...that's a battle ! & they 're the ones who started it, but they've lost it, some died & some ranaway living behind his money & even his children & women...so....everything is clear in the sura & the seera too.
for the third time, you can not use Allah's words to denny Mohammad's prophecy, get it !
justmside 2 years ago
& he is not a thief, & you got no proof on that.
next ! (next lie)
justmside 2 years ago
"...yes it talks about the rules of war, but there's nothing that says he was a thief,..."
Try wearing anothers shoes.
Surely even you can see that you are saying you believe God would approve of men conquering a peaceful, productive little town, and knocking down doors, stealing livestock, money, family heirlooms, and taking 9 year old daughters and wives to press into sexual service in their harem.
Well that's what happened through Islamic imperialistic conquest all the way to France.
brotherjw 2 years ago
Weired ! when you say this fictions & imagination stories, its ok ! but when we give you Quran you say its fictitious & imaginary !
i believe that's hypocracy
justmside 2 years ago
But Mohammed's caravan plundering, murder of poets, capture and enslaving of women from imperialistic attack are from the hadith and Quran, You're calling your own books fiction.
The Islamic First Jihad imperialistic conquest all the way up to Tours France and Vienna Austria are a matter of historical fact. Pillage, plunder murder and capture and rape of women.
Regarding the bible:
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brotherjw 2 years ago
i do not say about my own books fiction, i thought you're the ones who say Quran is created by Mohammad !
What you said is right, it did happen in th ebattles of Mohammad, but i'm talking about the facts , you're twisting them to fit with your silly claims, you're making Mohammad looks like a thief & murderer, that's the way you all twist the facts....
& that's basically why i said you can't deny Quran with Quran, because the verse is clear, but you twist its meaning to make it look evil
justmside 2 years ago
Example : when Jerry drops tomatoes on the dog, the dog doesn't bother to look into the matter, he just hunt Tom cuz he saw the tomatoes in his hands....
that's what you do : Allah ordered Jihad = Mohammad & his people are murderers <---- you don't look into the details. because that's enough to support your false claims.
now i'm off for my vacancy...i'll be back in Ramadan....keep commenting if you like..
Ciao.
justmside 2 years ago
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brotherjw 2 years ago
PS brotherjw = petewaldo
my 2 channels
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
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PeteWaldo 2 years ago
It is impossible to 'prove' such a story. You have not disproved my video. It is obvious for anyone except a muhammadan that the legend of the seven sleepers is FICTION. Well, it is your choice if you want to believe that it is the word of Allah, you're free to believe what you like. However, it has no factual basis. It's a fabrication.
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
If God has come down to earth & showed himself to you, you will say its fabrication....so say you don't wanna believe in God, not that there's no proofs on him becuase there are, & my video shows some.......& i repeat the same challenge....
go ahead & give us somethig like Quran if you claim that Quran is easily created by a man.
justmside 2 years ago
from 1Cor. 13:
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Now...you produce a "sura like that." A powerful description of love, not power or authority, remotely similar to this does NOT exist in the Quran.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
that text you giving me is so far to be sth like Quran, i can create one like it right now. hence, no, such simple literar texts can't be in Quran.
failure ! give sth else.
justmside 2 years ago
No...you didn't quote a "sura like that." The Quran isn't from God, because it contains only repeated statements of the "power" of Allah, and it only gives Mohammed permission to do anything he wants.
You are the one upholding the law, and your Quran apes Jewish folklore. Our prayers for you continue...
stronzo5785 2 years ago
Mohammed got many of his fables from his tri-lingual Jewish secretary, and his good friend and ex"Christian" Jabr.
So often did Mohammed receive a "revelation" after one of his visits with Jabr that the local nickname for Jabr became "holy spirit".
Things got so embarrassing that Mohammed had to write a special sura for him:
Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
brotherjw 2 years ago
hahahaha you people always have to create a fictonal story just to deny the obvious truth that's infront of your eyes ! so pathetic....
16:103 - "say the holy spirit (gabriel) has brought this dwn from your God with the truth to confirm those who believed, & a guidance & glad tidings for the muslims (believers)"
this is the verse you're talking about ? what about it !!! what's in it that disproves my video ?
justmside 2 years ago
Is this an example of how you separate truth from fiction? Which Quran did you just quote? The Quran I have says that you misquoted your own scripture...the first quotation is the correct one.
You quoted ayat 102, not 103, of sura 16.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
My graphic boards sucks !
Here's the following & correct verse 103 from surah 16:
"& we know that they say , its only a human that teaches him, & his mother tongue is "aajami" (foreign) & this is clearly an Arabic tongue (language)" <--- almost the same translation as brotherjw. still the same meaning.
So ! nothing changed, what about it ? what's in it disproves my video ?
justmside 2 years ago
That's the difficulty when we start a reply with "hahahaha you people always..." instead of making an effort to engage.
But that verse goes straight to the subject of Mohammed getting his Quran fables not only from Jabr but from his Jewish secretary.
beholdthebeast. com/islam_and_fables. htm
I highly recommend "Anatomy of the Quran" by G.J.O. Moshay. No Muslim that reads that book would remain in Islam.
Excellent channels
user/podremvc
user/AhmadsQuran3
brotherjw 2 years ago
Are you blind ? of course you are , you are christian !!
You wrote the verse by yourself !! doesn't it say that the guy was a foreign & the revelation is clearly in clear Arabic ?
You have to understand something, you can never..NEVER use a verse from Quran or a Hadith from Sunna to disprove sth in Islam.....
read the verse again & tell me..
justmside 2 years ago
Jabr was indeed a foreigner and non-Arab.
That's the feeble excuse Mohammed was trying to use to hide the truth.
The part that Mohammed left out, and you didn't see, is that Jabr could indeed SPEAK ARABIC.
Mohammed spent so much time with him that the locals nicknamed Jabr "holy spirit".
What did they do? Sit and stare at each other? Of course not.
If Mohammed couldn't even communicate with Jabr, why would he feel compelled to deny he was teaching him to those that made fun of him? Get it?
brotherjw 2 years ago
More clearly:
If Mohammed couldn't even communicate with Jabr, why would Mohammed feel compelled to deny that Jabr was teaching him, to those that made fun of Mohammed because they knew the truth?
brotherjw 2 years ago
Did you mean:
"You have to understand something, you can never..NEVER use a verse from Quran or a Hadith from Sunna to disprove something in Islam....."
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That is of course preposterous since a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. That is Mohammed DISPROVES HIMSELF all over the Quran. Even Mohammed knew what a mess he made of his book over just 23 years.
Abrogation is detailed in the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh
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brotherjw 2 years ago
What i meant is, you can't use Qur'an against Qur'an, or in another meaning , you can't use sth from Islam to denny another thing in Islam.
Qur'an explains itself by itself, & the things that aren't explained , are explained by Sunna....
You think this is the bible ? a page disproves the following one. a pretty messed up book full of contradictions ? <--- these are not my words btw, former CHRISTIANS said that.
Give me just one single verse where Mohammad disproves himself !
justmside 2 years ago
From your first paragraph, do you mean to tell us that we are not "allowed" to use internal criticism to verify the claims of the Quran? This statement indicates weakness, because if you, a Muslim, won't listen to obvious internal problems with the Quran, then you are the one who is blindly believing this book.
Once again, the god of Islam is a different god than the God of the Bible, who commands us to test and verify all things.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
Mohammed himself admits that he contradicts himself:
Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
Would be comical if not so tragic.
Not abrogated.... just.... substituted!!!.... for something.... better!!!!..... or... er... similar!!!
PeteWaldo 2 years ago
I told you before that you cant deny Quran by Quran ! that was an advice but you insist to embarass yourself !
1 - he does not contradict himself, because these are not his words , this is Quran, the word of God.
2 - the verse is right infront in your eyes, & clear...do not twist the meaning of it.
justmside 2 years ago
I dare you to tell me whats the meaning of that verse....
i'm sure you know nothing about it !
justmside 2 years ago
so how does that proof that Quran is copied from old kegends, Jabr knows all of those legends,
stop it ! you're desperately trying to make up a proof that doesn't make sense....you can not use from seera to deny quran i told you that before.
Quran does not include only stories, its a book with rules, laws, & morals...& lot of teachings...where did Mohammad copy that ?
& if he copied that from old legends in the past, can you explain where did he copy the future from ?
justmside 2 years ago
Stop what? Speaking the truth about Mohammed? The original video clearly elucidates a pre-existing Jewish folk tale that is repeated in Sura 18, and you made a video that tries to globalize, rather than directly addressing the point of the original video.
Now, you are making some irrelevant point, "where did he copy the future from," and trying to tell us that the Quran can't stand up to internal criticism. You are only burying yourself here...
stronzo5785 2 years ago
I adressed the exact point of your friend's video, well...go ahead, show me what proofs does your friend have in his video, there isn't any.....or try to disprove the obvious & clear evidences i have in my video & i have a lot.
& you're wrong about Quran, Mohammad can not do whatever he wants, not Allah talks only about power...see ? this i swhat i call ignorance, why do u insist to talk about sth & you know you know nothin about !
justmside 2 years ago
Note that the bible is written by a bunch of men, so do not throw stones on me if your house is made of glass !
The verse that brotherjw gave me, in which Mathew says that Jesus have authority over the heavens & the earth. clearly shows how Mathew thought that it was the words of Jesus ! simpy because he can't see Gabriel revelating to him from Allah. & so Mathew & the rest of the team judged that it was the word of Jesus, they were simple minded & so you are.
justmside 2 years ago
Have you ever read the Bible for any other purpose than to find fault? About 15 years ago, I read the Quran during my own search for truth and God, and I learned not truth nor God. You will probably just assert that I know nothing about the Quran because I didn't become Muslim...I disagree, therefore I lie.
Since you are convinced against evidence, and will spin and twist until your thinking fits your preconceptions, I'll just pray fervently for you, friend...God bless.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
Have you studied Quran as the word of Mohammad ? or the word of God ? or just a book !
just tell me, if Mohammad copied PAST old legends from jews & romans..etc. where did he copy the FUTURE from ? what about science & what people still discover ! how did Mohammad know Makka is the center of earth ? what about the light from Kaaba ? & the black stone & the power (energy), haven't you search about that !!!
justmside 2 years ago
do not pray to GOD for me !!! i have direct contact with him, he calls me 5 times a day, & with his generosity he's allowing me to call him all the day & all the time.....yet at night near the dawn, he personaly comes down for me to ask if i need anything.....
the one you call "god" is in heaven waitin permission from my god to come down & break the cross & pray behind muslims....
i'm off for my summer vacancy...see ya when i'm back....CIAO
justmside 2 years ago
About salat:
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
brotherjw 2 years ago
Who the hells Mat anyway? Why would you listen to him? Did he ever see Jesus?
DoctorWest 2 years ago
Ehem... Universities have been established on the grounds of finding fault in the Qur'an... 1400 years Zero-Hundred faults... ( that's 000)... It's a well known fact that when you drop an apple it goes up and not down because gravity pushes you up and does not pull you down...
DoctorWest 2 years ago
Surely even you can see the foolishness in your declaration since a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. Mohammed was right up front about what a mess he made of it:
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
Preposterous to suggest that God would be in a state of confusion - and over a 23 year period!
Obviously the changing whims of it's author.
brotherjw 2 years ago
really so the earth being [fixed abode ] fixed /not moving ,abode / home , place, is correct? or the flying buraq is real ? and what are seven earths and seven skys ? and women emit a droplet from between their back bones and their ribs ? a bloody clot , we need to talk first the greeks said this 1000 year before there was a koran , and they were wrong upper thorax is not lower pelvic and an ovum is not a bloody clot and are ten layers to the sky and nine layers to the earth
Primuscrusader 2 years ago
Your question about Mohammad shows how simple minded you are, this is like saying "if Allah is real why doesn't he show himself?" <-- thats the type of question you're asking...
well, why did he need Mohammad !! why do u think he needed Jesus ? & John, Zecharia, Solomon, David, Moses, Aaroon & Abraham & Noah...etc !! why ?
justmside 2 years ago
Indeed, none of your video addresses the central point of the Quran containing folklore, which Mohammed needed to elevate to the level of scripture.
The NT and OT are history...all that you have done here is distract and not address the central point...that the Quran is fiction.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
If Allah is God, why do we need Mohammed? The first 20 seconds of your video is irrelevant.
The story of the 7 sleepers of Ephesus is a Jewish myth, not accepted by Jews but accepted by Muslims, without question. Isn't this the point of the original video? You haven't refuted anything.
The Quran is a book of myth, not fact or information.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
I knew you gonna say that, cuz that's what you all do, you don't believe without proof & when you have the proof you don't believe it either.
The video is clear & everything is with proofs & evidences, which shows that the cave story is revelated by God not copied by Mohammad.
if you were reading , & concidering that those verses are said by Mohammad, then there's no wonder you didnt get a damn thing !
u need to concider it a word of God before u start reading, & the video poves that too.
justmside 2 years ago
Since you blindly believe that Mohammed is a prophet, you will believe anything...won't you?
stronzo5785 2 years ago
If coming from Mohammad, it means coming from God, then yes, blindly !
what about you, aren't you blindly following Jesus ?
Mohammad was a human & Jesus was a human, & they both had a message from God & both have people now who follow them blindly.
what ! how're u gonna distinguish between the true & the false....
justmside 2 years ago
No, I don't blindly follow anything. The NT tells me to test all things, and hold fast to the good and true (1Thess. 5:21).
Jesus was not only a man, but He was also God and was aware of His divinity while on this planet (John 1:1, 8:58).
I distinguish truth from fiction by examining evidence. If the Quran features previously written folklore, then the Quran is the creation of man...simple, really.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
You're following Jesus blindly, give me one good proof he is a God.
We on the other hand are able to distinguish the truth from the false, its enough to know such thing as "the son of God" to know it doesn't make any sense. let alone the trinity & the man-written bible.
The Quran features miracles that no one ever could come up with.....go ahead ! accept the challenge aged 1400 year, & give sth like Quran, just a verse...one verse. note that its been 1400 year & no one dared to try.
justmside 2 years ago
Jesus states that He and the Father are one, literally (John 14:10-11). Jesus states that He is equal and co-eternal with the Father (John 8:58), to the point that Jews picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy. Jesus cast out demons, raised people from the dead, and forgave sin, so many times that to quote them all would fill up the 500 characters. Given this information, I'd say that the burden of proof is on Islam to prove that Jesus is NOT God.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
The Quran has no real miracles, and has been proven to be an evolving document that didn't get codified until nearly 100 years after the death of Mohammed.
What I think that you meant to say, in the last sentence of your comment, is that no Muslim scholar has dared to try...
I haven't mentioned the historical errors made by the Quran...I can mention 3 off the top of my head, and there are many others, as well.
BTW, what do you mean by "give sth?"
stronzo5785 2 years ago
Qur'an has no mistakes at all, God can not make mistakes.
& what i meant is not muslim scholars, i meant all humans...
&what i meant by give sth is go ahead, & give at least a verse like Quran if you say its as easy as to be created by a human.
this is a personal challenge from Allah, & no one dared to try....can you do it ?
justmside 2 years ago
Evereything you said is confirmed & acknowledged by Islam, as miracles to Jesus the prophet...
where's the word "GOD" between all those things you said. what do you mean he & the father are one...that's not a proof.
who is the father ? what does he have to do with Jesus, & if he's the father & son at the same time how does that prove that he's God?
justmside 2 years ago
Another Muslim who wants the exact words "I am God" to come out of the mouth of Jesus. Never mind that Jesus claimed the title "I AM" in John 8:58, the same one God used when giving the law to Moses.
Well, to make that argument stick, the Quran would have to have Jesus stating, in Aramaic, in His own words: 1. I am not God. 2. I am not the Son of God. 3. I did not come to die for your sins. 4. I did not come to rise from the dead on the third day.
Can you do this?
stronzo5785 2 years ago
I knew it ! you got no proofs at all, you're just believing old legends that says jesus is god & jesus is the son of God. yet you calling Quran "legends" !! solve the mess of your man written books first...!! & you said you're not "following blindly"....
Do you mean you want sth from Quran where Jesus is clearly not God ?
you got it !
justmside 2 years ago
"Surely disbelieved, those who said Allah is Jesus the son of Mary" [5:71]
" & the Jews said Uzeir is the son of Allah, & the Nasara (christians) said Jesus is the son of Allah, that's what they say with their own mouths, not like those who disbelieved before them, may Allah fight them, how can they switch from truth to false. [9:30]
these are for your #2
justmside 2 years ago
"& Jesus the son of mary said: O children of israel i am the messenger of allah to you confirmng what was before me in the Torah, & giving the glad tidings of a messenger that comes after me called Ahmed, but when he (Jesus) showed them the good proofs they say this is clearly magic. [61:6]
this is for your # 1,3 & 4
justmside 2 years ago
Jesus didn't say that He wasn't God, or the Son of God, or that He didn't die for our sins, or that He didn't rise on the third day. Once again, you changed the argument to fit your own inability to prove or refute anything. Also, Mohammed's name can only be contrived to resemble "ahmed." Arabic descended from the Syriac from Aramaic.
My friend, please stop the spinning, be still and know that Jesus is God...I pray that He speaks this truth to you, today.
stronzo5785 2 years ago
I do not have to change anything ! i have my religion, you are the lost ones who have nothing...
The verse i gave you, th emission opf Jesus is clear, if you don't agree, give sth from your book that says what you calim, Jesus the son og God deid for you !
if you have no proof for your man made cult, you have no rights to deny my religion either.
justmside 2 years ago
Mohamamd 's name is not Aramaic, its arabic & has a meaning ! can you tell me ..was Jesus called Jesus in ramaic ? of course not...theres no J nor S in the end.
justmside 2 years ago
Sura 9:30 and 5:71 is not Jesus Himself speaking. It is someone else speaking about Him. You have failed, and your argument is invalid.
Jesus forgave sin, raised the dead, cast out demons, and fulfilled prophecy...Jesus referred to Himself with the same name used by God when He gave the law to Moses. He said that He was God, to people whom He was sent, in language they understood...otherwise, why would Jews want to stone Him for blasphemy?
stronzo5785 2 years ago
I did not fail ! i gave you a verse where Allah quotes Jesus, you don't wanna believe its your problem not mine.
you have failed, & could not prove that Jesus is God, that's why you simply won't accept my clear verse where Jesus says he is a messenger of Allah. you asked for words of Jesus & i gave you ones.
I asked for proof that Jesus is God, you gave me nothing, but claims & legends..
If you have no proofs for your man made cult, you have no rights to deny my devine religion either.
justmside 2 years ago
All that you have proven is that you don't know how to quote the actual words of Jesus. Furthermore, by your own admission, you have proven that Allah directly contradicted the truly quoted words of Jesus in the NT.
Via third-party attestation by Roman and Jewish historians, the NT has been verified as an historically accurate text. The Quran has no such evidence, and thus, is a book which needs to be taken on blind faith.
Our prayers continue, friend...
stronzo5785 2 years ago
It's stunning that folks would follow a common thief, isn't it?
Sura 8 - "Spoils of War - Booty" details Mohammed's 1/5 share (like a Mafia Don) of the property stolen from others through pillage, plunder and imperialistic conquest.
That "booty" includes girls and married women.
But how else would Mohammed get the money to maintain so many wives and concubines?
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators...10 Nor thieves...
brotherjw 2 years ago
I prefer following a good man of love & mercy, who peopel is calling him a thief (& thats of course made up like every other thing they say) because they can't accept him !
I prefer following him because he gave me the truth.
I prefer following him than following a bunch of men who wrote a book & claimed its from Jesus.
I perfer following him than worship a human who is not acknowledging me nor now neither in the judgement day !
justmside 2 years ago
Your errors of logic continue unabated...the words of Jesus have a much better "isnad" than any that exist for Mohammed. Matthew and John were the companions (apostles) of Jesus, Mark was the personal assistant of Peter, and Luke interviewed and researched tens of other companions of Jesus for Luke-Acts.
You should go back to your imams and ask them why they mislead you, then used bad logic to back up their "education."
Your video remains off topic, and you have refuted nothing...
stronzo5785 2 years ago