Of course "Twilight" isn't a saga, and I find the misuse of the word as grating as you do, but couldn't you have tried to state this in a less deathly boring way?
Twilight is not a Saga. With that in mind, some of what you say is not accurate. I would say Bella becomes a hero in the last book since it is her power that saves everyone in the end. Also, Bella is apart of the Cullen family before BD, as soon as her and Edward get together. That doesn't make definition 3 apply to Twilight but still, your fact was incorrect. And, Twilight was popular before it was a "Saga". I'm not a huge fan girl (I'm really more of an anti-fan) but I like my facts accurate.
@ZaxfromTSdC It would be silly to not recognize the fact that Bella's power played a HUGE role in saving everyone. It rendered a number of the Volturi Vamps extra powers useless and scared them which held them off at least until Alice came back. It is stated numerous times that "Bella is apart of our family now" in the very first book. She wasn't married to Edward but they treated her and operated as if she was in the family because in their universe she was. Marriage is just paper.
@YourFavoriteAries Then I guess I'm silly, because I don't recognize copouts as being valid forms of heroism.
So you really don't know about all the various legal procedures involved marriage, adoption, foster care, guardianship, and so on? There's a lot more involved to being a part of someone's family than just being accepting of them.
@ZaxfromTSdC The Volturi Coped out mainly because Bella's power scared them. How does that make Bella un-heroic? Imagine a girl is about to get raped and a large man comes to the rescue. The rapist see's him and runs away before committing the crime, a cop out. According to you, the large man is not a hero. Really? She also did some pretty heroic stuff to make sure Nessie and Jake would survive even if all shit went to hell and everyone else died.
@YourFavoriteAries *continued* And of course I know about all that but it's still just paper. Technically Edward died in 1918. He isn't a real person according to US Government so their marriage isn't even Valid. Based on your logic, where the legal stuff is all that matters, Bella NEVER joined the family. Also I don't believe the simple legal act of being married means someone has joined the family. In some cases, it can tear families apart and be the opposite. It's the mindset that matters.
@YourFavoriteAries No, that they were scared of her power was a cop-out because her power was purely defensive. There was nothing to fear. That the only opposition chickened out in the face of a purely defensive power makes any part of the standoff unheroic.
The difference between a large man and Bella's power is that the large man could potentially kick the shit out of the rapist, whereas Bella's power would be the equivalent of ensuring the rapist wears a condom.
@ZaxfromTSdC I'm sure Jane and Alec were pretty damn afraid of Bella's power. It essentially made them, and others, useless. Bella's power would not have killed them but it would have made it very difficult for the Volturi to win. They had plenty to be afraid of since many of their fighters strengths were nullified.They chose not to attack for this reason. Just because her power was defensive doesn't mean it posed no threat.
And yes, I do want to bring up Jacob and Nessie. Try me.
@ZaxfromTSdC Come on now, you read the books. You know that Bella's power scared them and that's what made them hesitate to attack. With out her they would have been done for well before Alice and Jasper returned. I believe Edward and Bella deserve each other because they are both equally annoying and stupid, if that's what you mean by "Team Edward". 99% of "vampire" "love" stories involve "pedophilia" so no, it didn't bother me however, that doesn't seem to be on topic now does it?
@YourFavoriteAries Yes, and her power "scaring" them was a cop-out. Along with their simply changing their mind about the whole thing. They've been around for how long, and yet they've never actually encountered any half-vamps, let alone had any sort of contingency plan in place should their powers cease functioning (like, I dunno, any sort of hand-to-hand training)? The Volturi are the most pussified villains I've ever known.
No, no. I meant about Jacob/Nessie. The child grooming element.
@ZaxfromTSdC So because SMeyer used it as a way to avoid killing her characters off means it wasn't actually heroic? Just because you don't like SMeyre's literary choices (I don't either. I've always thought there should have been a battle and people should have died) doesn't mean you can dismiss the characters actions. In the context of the novel Bella and her power play a heroic role. That's what happened and your (and my) distaste for the plot doesn't change that.
@YourFavoriteAries I can dismiss a character's actions if the characters didn't do anything. And Bella, herself, didn't do anything. Her power that she didn't know how to control at the time did it for her. That it was done through no conscious effort on her part is precisely why I can dismiss it.
@ZaxfromTSdC You really should read the books again since you must have missed the part where she trained to be able to stretch the shield around other people especially the part where Nessie was used as motivation to get her to finally break out of her shell and use her power. If Bella couldn't control her power the only one that would have been protected is herself as was the case for the beginning of her life as a newborn before they realized her gift. Your argument is invalid.
@ZaxfromTSdC The Jacob/Nessie relationship is screwed up in all sorts of disgusting ways but that doesn't change the fact that Bella acted as a hero when she went to great lengths to ensure they would survive and live a long happy life together if a battle were to ensue and everyone else perished. She was protecting her at the risk of losing everything she had. Which actually reminds me, the entire act of gathering "witnesses" and preparing to fight is heroic in itself given the contextual risk.
@YourFavoriteAries I'm sorry, but acting to ensure that pedophilia takes place is not "heroic" in my definition of the concept. Preserving the corrupt is the act of a villain, not a hero.
Bella wasn't the one to gather "witnesses." Everyone was gathering to protect -her-.
@ZaxfromTSdC The relationship is odd and kinda disgusting because we know it will eventually turn sexual and because it's Bella's daughter and Jacob had the hots for Bella but it is explicitly stated that it is not romantic yet. Jake takes on a brotherly role and it will remain that way until Nessie is old enough to want otherwise should she. Jake would never hurt Nessie in anyway and they are "destined" for each other so Bella made the only decision she could make to be sure her daughter lived.
@YourFavoriteAries That it isn't romantic yet is a moot point since everyone knows that it will be. It's still child grooming. (It's not much different from what goes on in countries that feature arranged marriages.)
@ZaxfromTSdC It is not Child grooming since that involves a pedo getting to know a child and the family so that they can molest the child. Jake will not do that. The idea is that the imprintor will be anything the imprintee needs him to be. Eventually it turns sexual because when she needs a sexual partner he is there to fulfill the role as needed but it requires that she want that from him and be ready for that type of relationship. They are going to live forever, 17 years won't matter much.
@YourFavoriteAries Child grooming isn't just about child molestation. If it's predetermined that a person's going to have relations with someone that's a child currently, child grooming is about raising the child to be that person's ideal mate.
'course, you could potentially claim that it's inverted child grooming, since he's the one forced to change to meet her needs, but that doesn't make it any less disturbing.
@ZaxfromTSdC No, the goal of child grooming is to gain a child's trust so they are easily manipulated into being molested. In any case,Jake conforming to be the perfect mate is a side product of imprinting not the goal. If Nessie were to never require a sexual mate Jacob would never become one. And if she desired to have a sexual mate that is not Jacob he would take on a different role she does need. It's weird but it's not pedophilia.
@ZaxfromTSdC It doesn't matter. His goal is not to become romantically involved with her it is to protect her and be what ever she needs and wants him to be no matter what that is. He is not grooming her to be anything. She is also not grooming him as she is not teaching him to do or be anything. He is being what she needs because of his own feelings. Nessie is not being manipulated as a groomed child might be. She'll make her own decisions and Jake will follow them.
@YourFavoriteAries INdeed, it's not his goal, nor is it hers. It's "fated" by that "imprint" bullshit. He's forced into conforming to what she wants whether either of them actually want it or not. He's not doing it because of his own feelings. He's doing it because the imprint thing is forcing him to do it, forcing him to feel that he must.
So, again, it's still child grooming, only inverted. I guess you could say it's "adult grooming." XD
@ZaxfromTSdC The imprint comes from Jacob. It's the mechanism inside the wolves that tells them "Hey, this person is important to you!" so they don't eff it up. His mind might be saying "I'm being forced by the imprint" but the imprint is still a part of him. And besides, you're basically saying that Jacob is being child groomed (adult grooming is actually something completely different) by the supernatural force inside him that tells him who he loves. Seriously?
@YourFavoriteAries That's what it is, though. It's not a voluntary function. They don't choose who to imprint on. Once they've imprinted, they don't have a choice, either. So, yes, he is being forced by the imprint.
That it's not voluntary by either of them only makes it worse.
@ZaxfromTSdC If I remember correctly, and I do, Bella and Edward were the ones to convince everyone that they should protect Nessie once Carlisle and the rest sent them back to the Cullen house. In any case, she was apart of the group that was rebelling against the Volturi and if anything had gone wrong and they didn't get enough people on their side it meant death. Did you really read the books or did you just skim to find things to make fun of?
@YourFavoriteAries I read the books. And knowing that Meyer was too much of a hack to allow her precious little characters to die made it so that the whole "search for allies" bit a waste of time.
@ZaxfromTSdC of course it was a waste of time for the reader but you aren't judging it from the right perspective. How you feel about the plot doesn't matter. In context of the story their actions were brave and heroic and they were going against the big bad to protect the good at risk of losing their lives and the lives of those they loved. You are essentially saying "That doesn't make her a hero because I don't like the way that turned out in the story!!!" Does not work.
@YourFavoriteAries On the contrary, how a reader feels about the plot matters quite a bit when dealing with storytelling.
Everyone has their own idea of what a hero is. If something doesn't fit that individual's definition, then it is not a hero to that person. Don't you just dealing with a subjective topic?
@ZaxfromTSdC I disagree. When determining if a character is a hero or not "The author used that as a cop out" is not a valid argument. Your feelings about the choices of the author do not matter. You can't say "I don't like that SM chose to make Bella a hero so she is not one." Sure, your opinion on how the character handled the situation matters. If you don't think what she did was heroic, ok but saying that she is not a hero because you don't like what SM had her do is an incorrect evaluation.
@YourFavoriteAries On the contrary, if I don't think what she did was heroic, then I can quite correctly claim that she was not a hero precisely because I do not find her to be heroic. Not to mention that everything she did was for her and her own. There was no sense of selflessness to it. If anything, I'd say that it was the Quileutes that were the ones acting heroic. They were the ones that went above and beyond to help others.
@ZaxfromTSdC This is no longer worth arguing. You will not admit that Bella was a hero at the end because you do not want her to be one. You have no other argument besides "I can decide a hero is whatever a hero is to me." Bella displays attributes at the end that are classically associated with heroes and even I (who hates Bella. Really, hates) can recognize that. SM designed it that way because she had to try and redeem the weak, annoying character Bella was in the beginning. Keyword, try.
@YourFavoriteAries No, I will not "admit" that Bella was a hero because she was not a hero. Did Meyer try to redeem Bella? That's certainly arguable. I, for one, definitely say that she failed to do so.
Now, Star Wars is a real saga. It may not be about medieval tales, but it does tell the Story of Anakin, a young hero and his family. Bella did NOTHING heroic at all. She did not save the world, she did save anyone. All she did was to dream about the ideal man of her dreams : Edward. In fact, she's a damsel in distress much like in the shojo anime genre : every guy has to freaking save her.
Exactly. They don't call the Sookie Stackhouse series a saga just because it's got more than three books. They don't even call the Vampire Chronicle;s a saga even though it does fit the definition since every one of those books details a history of a character or a certain group(the history of how vampires came to be, for example...) something Meyer completely skips over....
Dear GOD you are not a public speaker. Please, get someone else to talk; you'll cut the video time in half. Hiring a speechwriter would also be a good idea.
Have you seen the book that says on the cover "What Men Know About Women?" you open it up and it's completely totally blank inside... I saw this in Barnes & Noble. It was hilarious!!!
I'm not saying I agree with it; that's just what I saw... I thought it was funny they were selling a blank book, not that men know nothing about women... I don't think that's true, and it's offensive besides...
I agree. Anyway, my point was that it was hilarious to find a blank book that was not a journal, for sale at Barnes & Noble... I guess you can sell just about anything...
I don't want to call her a protagonist either since her thought process shows that she's shallow, self absorbed, bitchy and full of herself. She treats her friends like shit and does everything for the one purpose of being with her stalker abusive boyfriend.
So yes, this series is not a Saga... it's crap.
Beowulf is a Saga IMO. Zax please correct me if I'm wrong here.
I don't think it is. It's certainly a tale about a hero, so it could qualify in that regard, but I don't know. The being centered around a hero seems to ignore the length aspect of a saga, but it does, apparently, require the tale to be told some time after the events that the tale is about.
(Which means that Twilight CAN'T be a saga, since it's written to take place in modern day and also isn't centered around a family or social group that spans multiple generations.)
If the book is about the hero and done in first person POV... then yeah the Hero should be there 24/7.
So in that thinking, it makes Bella the Hero. But since she doesn't do more than be the constant Damsel in Distress from books 1-3.
Then she has the child that shouldn't exist by the "science" that SMeyer put down in book one. Then she dies becoming a Vampire that does nothing but obey her man... she's not much of a hero.
Can't sleep, so I thought I'd clarify a point really quick.
While the heroes were noble (meaning indicating that they were thought highly of, the term for which was later self-attributed by the upper class [history being written by the winner and all, thus this being the case for a class struggle]), they did, of course, have moments of struggle where they were not so upstanding. However, they overcame those moments.
Which is why the idea of "heroes" became more about overcoming limitations.
Sorry about your professor, though. Might want to find another. Anyone who'd regard the OED highly is hardly knowledgeable about language. Case-in-point, OED considers "irregardless" to be a word. If you examine the term, however, you'll find it to be quite meaningless.
I don't know what language is your primary, but the term "hero" in English definitely carries the implication of being morally upstanding.
Hell, even in its roots from Greek mythology, heroes were noble. And, no, not the "upper class" sort. That meaning for nobility didn't come until later. It was particularly in regards to moral upstanding.
...I find it amusing that so many people don't know how to read and comprehend a definition for a single word that has already been thoroughly explained.
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Your attempt at discrediting this SAGA quite hilarious.
Just because you may or may not like a book or the theme or whatever else that really doesnt add or take away from the GENERAL definition of a Saga. So it may not fit every single definition to a T, so?
I'll give you an A for effort and humor, but next time do a little bit more research so you can come up with VALID points. And next time,try using words you're actualy used to.
We wouldnt want you to seem obnoxious now, would we?
Your attempt at ignoring the truth is even more hilarious.
That I may or may not like a book has nothing to do with the fact that the series does not fit any definition of "saga". And?
Question, though. At what point did I use any word with which I was not already familiar? Every term I spoke in the video, I've known since before I ever entered high school.
But, I'll bite. Why do you think that the "general" definition of "saga" does not require it to fit any of the precise definitions?
Also, the OED is renowned for being nothing more than a joke when it comes to the English language. If you want a dictionary with authority, try the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Even if you could manage to convince anyone that the story is about the Cullens, it would still need to span multiple generations of their 'family'.
You may think it unnecessary, but you would be a fool to do so. For the story to be about the hero, the story must follow the hero. Thus, the hero must be present at all times. All the proof required is in the very definitions and meanings being discussed. That you cannot see it indicates that you are being willfully ignorant.
That was the name given to such men in the times of Greek myths, yes, but the term, as it applies to sagas, means something wholly different. It does not depend on supernatural ability, but rather what one does with the ability one has.
What purpose does quoting the movie have in regard to the discussion? It is not in the book. It is also irrelevant.
And, even then, the Norse prose narratives that meet the requirements fall under the category of narrative/legend of a hero or detailed narrative recording a family or social group across generations.
I would dare you to find any authoritative dictionary that states otherwise, but I already know it to be a fruitless endeavor.
And indeed, definitions may vary, but meanings remain the same. ..difference being that definitions are a matter of semantics, whereas meaning is what the words of a definition attempt to explain.
The only sort of saga that is not required to contain a hero is that which falls under the third option -- the detailed narrative of a family or social group that spans generations.
The only other options for being a saga are strictly Norse prose narratives and narratives or legends of heroes.
No, he is not a hero. Stopping a car from killing her and saving her from the potential rapists was purely done for selfish reasons. Only reason another vampire was even going after her was due to his own actions. That is, he brought it on her. That is not the mark of a hero. The mark of a hero is going above and beyond the call of duty. He would have been a hero had he continued to seek out and eradicate murderers and rapists as he allegedly did long before Twilight began.
No, Edward is not the hero. He is not a hero because he never does anything heroic.
-_- The definition would become "any narrative or legend of a hero's deeds".
Bella doesn't follow Edward all the time, which would be required for a saga. If the narrator does not follow the hero throughout all the events being told, then it cannot be a saga. And, again, Edward isn't a hero, so it wouldn't even matter if she did.
Not just "acts", but "great acts". A narrative can be first or third.
No, the narrative does not need to be about the narrator. Actually, it is preferable that it not be. However, for it to be considered a "saga", the narrative must follow the hero throughout the exploits, detailing the events.
Considering that there are no great/heroic deeds being accomplished in the series beyond simply surviving the day-to-day, there are no exploits. Also, there is no hero. There is just narrative.
This is annoying! I'm writing a novel that's supposed to be an actual saga, and Twilight is going to make everyone mislead about them. Thanks for putting this up.
Twilight is not a saga even remotely in the true meaning of the word. Whoever had the idea of marketing it as one should take back the word, though it's too late now.
I hate it when the meaning of words is distorted...
I really hate that this series is referred as saga. Sagas are stories about ancient Scandinavian and Germanic history, about early Viking voyages. Twilight is a story that has the same interest and spelling as a bad fan fiction.
You sir are a badass. Thank for displaying some intelligence and representing nerds everywhere by saying screw twilight. It's times like these when I wish JRR Tolkien was still alive(well thats all the time) so we could hear him rip on Twilight.
Now, see, that's where you've got a bit of a problem.
Nerds have always been the ones to know what's of quality in literature. If I'm a nerd and Twilight is supposed to be literature, then my word has more weight than yours. Which means that Twilight is very poorly written.
Actually, a series can't really be a saga.. Difference being that each installment in a series acts as a stand-alone book, whereas each installment in a saga are parts of one continual story, with each volume picking up right at (or shortly after) where the previous ended.
It's people like you who should be given great awards and amounts of money for taking the time to explain to some retarded twitards why their book sucks. I applaud you but sadly I think some of the words you use are to big for some Twilight fans, remember Meyer only really goes up to five syllables max = ]
I like your rebuttals against Twilight, they're thoroughly researched and it's obvious time and effort were put into deconstructing the series. It's a shame that there are people still blind to the painfully obvious truth. It's funny to read the comments though!!!
I think I found a connection between Twitards and their failure to grasp basic English that's taught to us since grade 1 or prep.
That's funny, your comment is much more bitchy than the video, and only a dumbass deals with brief statements when dealing with something requiring detail.
Keep trying what? Ha Ha your are a sad individual, good luck with your sad life ha ha, oh ya and don't bother to reply to this, I'm sorry but your opinion means..well sweet fuck all to me!
1. a medieval Icelandic or Norse prose narrative of achievements and events in the history of a personage, family, etc.
2. any narrative or legend of heroic exploits
3. Also called saga novel. a form of the novel in which the members or generations of a family or social group are chronicled in a long and leisurely narrative
Twilight does not cover these so it ISN'T a saga.
Buy a dictionary, something Meyer should of done a long time ago (or not write at all)
@Phoenixangelgal Hey! If you wrote "apple" on a potato and sold it to millions of teenage girls and sexually frustrated housewives who then called it an apple, then it would totally be an apple!
You mean "tale". And that's not the extent of it. Also, Twilight is not an "epic" story...unless you are referring to the magnitude of fail.
And you didn't "tell" me most of the definitions. I've already known the definitions. Which is why I pointed out that Twilight doesn't fit any of them.
besides i wonder it to,, thanks zaxfromtsdc--it's "TALE" not "tail" that doggies wag.
twilight is NOT epic---you go play final fantasy and THAT's EPIC. you try define EPIC and don't use randommuffins1323 dictionary, give me hard bound definitions.
and your point is? twilame is a saga? aww c'mon kid it's not even close to be called a saga, it's just a stream of words on scratch papers bookbinded and it could have meant to become a comic book, if Meyer knows how to draw her meyerpires, that is.
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what?noe theres a rule that i can't comment?
if you didn't know i'm free to say whatever i want,that's why we comment,and if i want to waste my time,that's NONE of your buisness,or what?you don't have a life,and you'll waste ur time stalking me?i've heard that speech before,please,don't write back.
You're calling the other person an idiot...but you say that -you- are free to say whatever you want, but somehow think that that doesn't apply to the other person?
If you're in favor of free speech, you're in favor of free speech for precisely the opinions you don't agree with. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.
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but in cambridge dictionary its says "a long complicated series of related usually negative events" and that is what it is (not negitive but it says usually) it is long, complicated and they are all related so haaaaaaa
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Dictionary(dot)com says:
Saga
noun
a narrative telling the adventures of a hero or family
HUH? Wait, isn't that what Twilight is?
Narrative? Yes
About a family? Why, yes.
Twilight IS about the Cullens and the events Bella goes through to become a Cullen herself. Her moving to Forks is only one of those events that leads her to Edward, and eventually becoming a Cullen. Without the Cullens, there would be absolutely no story. All four books are about her adventures with them.
No adventures of a hero or family, that is. Bella has adventures, but she is neither a hero nor a family. The Cullens have no adventures, because everything that happens for them are things that they're accustomed to dealing with.
He defeated your argument before you posted it, and he has defeated it, the comment you posted has all ready been attacked, you do not provide a counter argument, you have lost this debate innless you can come up with something new or original he has not covered. You there by lose you have not attacked a single point and all his points carry, and yes is not a valid argument. Is there any other ways I can translate this for you since you most obviously have a problem with the English language
The entire thing is the point. The difficulty lies in that, if one keeps it short, idiots miss the point, but if one explains the point in full, idiots think it's too long and continue to ignore the point.
If you want it shortened, read the video description.
I always get a laugh at of your anti-twilight videos! and afterwards I get to read the comments XD
As an innocent child, I appreciate it when I get a fair warning before delving into mindless nonsence such as 'The Twilight Saga', and now after reading the books myself I can enjoy these videos even more knowing they're 100% true. 8D (though reading the 'saga' was a horrible thing for me)
But the next book starts just prior to Twilight, so it has nothing to do with his "heroic" period. And, no, saving one person when you have as much power as a Meyerpire doesn't qualify one as a "hero". And, as established, the time period doesn't make it a "saga".
Well I must tip my hat to you. I literaly went through every page of comments as you used a combination of wit and intellagence to win your battles. *gives thumbs up*
(p.s. I hope you dont mind if I use some of your facts in my arguments to my friends on why i cant stand Twilight.)
Of course "Twilight" isn't a saga, and I find the misuse of the word as grating as you do, but couldn't you have tried to state this in a less deathly boring way?
lasaboteuse 3 weeks ago
@lasaboteuse I did. In the description.
ZaxfromTSdC 3 weeks ago
Awesome vid. Heroes are selfless and Bella was the most annoying selfish bitch that i've read in a while. Great analysis.
tickycup 6 months ago 2
Twilight is not a Saga. With that in mind, some of what you say is not accurate. I would say Bella becomes a hero in the last book since it is her power that saves everyone in the end. Also, Bella is apart of the Cullen family before BD, as soon as her and Edward get together. That doesn't make definition 3 apply to Twilight but still, your fact was incorrect. And, Twilight was popular before it was a "Saga". I'm not a huge fan girl (I'm really more of an anti-fan) but I like my facts accurate.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries Bella's power doesn't save them. It's the Volturi changing their mind about half-vamps that saves them.
Being someone's boyfriend doesn't make you a part of their family.
I like my facts accurate, as well.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC It would be silly to not recognize the fact that Bella's power played a HUGE role in saving everyone. It rendered a number of the Volturi Vamps extra powers useless and scared them which held them off at least until Alice came back. It is stated numerous times that "Bella is apart of our family now" in the very first book. She wasn't married to Edward but they treated her and operated as if she was in the family because in their universe she was. Marriage is just paper.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries Then I guess I'm silly, because I don't recognize copouts as being valid forms of heroism.
So you really don't know about all the various legal procedures involved marriage, adoption, foster care, guardianship, and so on? There's a lot more involved to being a part of someone's family than just being accepting of them.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC The Volturi Coped out mainly because Bella's power scared them. How does that make Bella un-heroic? Imagine a girl is about to get raped and a large man comes to the rescue. The rapist see's him and runs away before committing the crime, a cop out. According to you, the large man is not a hero. Really? She also did some pretty heroic stuff to make sure Nessie and Jake would survive even if all shit went to hell and everyone else died.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries *continued* And of course I know about all that but it's still just paper. Technically Edward died in 1918. He isn't a real person according to US Government so their marriage isn't even Valid. Based on your logic, where the legal stuff is all that matters, Bella NEVER joined the family. Also I don't believe the simple legal act of being married means someone has joined the family. In some cases, it can tear families apart and be the opposite. It's the mindset that matters.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries No, that they were scared of her power was a cop-out because her power was purely defensive. There was nothing to fear. That the only opposition chickened out in the face of a purely defensive power makes any part of the standoff unheroic.
The difference between a large man and Bella's power is that the large man could potentially kick the shit out of the rapist, whereas Bella's power would be the equivalent of ensuring the rapist wears a condom.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC I'm sure Jane and Alec were pretty damn afraid of Bella's power. It essentially made them, and others, useless. Bella's power would not have killed them but it would have made it very difficult for the Volturi to win. They had plenty to be afraid of since many of their fighters strengths were nullified.They chose not to attack for this reason. Just because her power was defensive doesn't mean it posed no threat.
And yes, I do want to bring up Jacob and Nessie. Try me.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries That would be pulling back out of strategy, not fear.
I'm guessing you're one of the "Team Edward" sort, since the pedophilia didn't bother you.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC Come on now, you read the books. You know that Bella's power scared them and that's what made them hesitate to attack. With out her they would have been done for well before Alice and Jasper returned. I believe Edward and Bella deserve each other because they are both equally annoying and stupid, if that's what you mean by "Team Edward". 99% of "vampire" "love" stories involve "pedophilia" so no, it didn't bother me however, that doesn't seem to be on topic now does it?
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries Yes, and her power "scaring" them was a cop-out. Along with their simply changing their mind about the whole thing. They've been around for how long, and yet they've never actually encountered any half-vamps, let alone had any sort of contingency plan in place should their powers cease functioning (like, I dunno, any sort of hand-to-hand training)? The Volturi are the most pussified villains I've ever known.
No, no. I meant about Jacob/Nessie. The child grooming element.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC So because SMeyer used it as a way to avoid killing her characters off means it wasn't actually heroic? Just because you don't like SMeyre's literary choices (I don't either. I've always thought there should have been a battle and people should have died) doesn't mean you can dismiss the characters actions. In the context of the novel Bella and her power play a heroic role. That's what happened and your (and my) distaste for the plot doesn't change that.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries I can dismiss a character's actions if the characters didn't do anything. And Bella, herself, didn't do anything. Her power that she didn't know how to control at the time did it for her. That it was done through no conscious effort on her part is precisely why I can dismiss it.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC You really should read the books again since you must have missed the part where she trained to be able to stretch the shield around other people especially the part where Nessie was used as motivation to get her to finally break out of her shell and use her power. If Bella couldn't control her power the only one that would have been protected is herself as was the case for the beginning of her life as a newborn before they realized her gift. Your argument is invalid.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries We'll see. We'll see. I'm not going to bother going through it again until I get around to abridging it.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC The Jacob/Nessie relationship is screwed up in all sorts of disgusting ways but that doesn't change the fact that Bella acted as a hero when she went to great lengths to ensure they would survive and live a long happy life together if a battle were to ensue and everyone else perished. She was protecting her at the risk of losing everything she had. Which actually reminds me, the entire act of gathering "witnesses" and preparing to fight is heroic in itself given the contextual risk.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries I'm sorry, but acting to ensure that pedophilia takes place is not "heroic" in my definition of the concept. Preserving the corrupt is the act of a villain, not a hero.
Bella wasn't the one to gather "witnesses." Everyone was gathering to protect -her-.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC The relationship is odd and kinda disgusting because we know it will eventually turn sexual and because it's Bella's daughter and Jacob had the hots for Bella but it is explicitly stated that it is not romantic yet. Jake takes on a brotherly role and it will remain that way until Nessie is old enough to want otherwise should she. Jake would never hurt Nessie in anyway and they are "destined" for each other so Bella made the only decision she could make to be sure her daughter lived.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries That it isn't romantic yet is a moot point since everyone knows that it will be. It's still child grooming. (It's not much different from what goes on in countries that feature arranged marriages.)
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC It is not Child grooming since that involves a pedo getting to know a child and the family so that they can molest the child. Jake will not do that. The idea is that the imprintor will be anything the imprintee needs him to be. Eventually it turns sexual because when she needs a sexual partner he is there to fulfill the role as needed but it requires that she want that from him and be ready for that type of relationship. They are going to live forever, 17 years won't matter much.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries Child grooming isn't just about child molestation. If it's predetermined that a person's going to have relations with someone that's a child currently, child grooming is about raising the child to be that person's ideal mate.
'course, you could potentially claim that it's inverted child grooming, since he's the one forced to change to meet her needs, but that doesn't make it any less disturbing.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC No, the goal of child grooming is to gain a child's trust so they are easily manipulated into being molested. In any case,Jake conforming to be the perfect mate is a side product of imprinting not the goal. If Nessie were to never require a sexual mate Jacob would never become one. And if she desired to have a sexual mate that is not Jacob he would take on a different role she does need. It's weird but it's not pedophilia.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries The goal of child grooming varies by the groomer.
Given Meyer's penchant for pairing up characters, do you honestly believe that Nessie won't end up being romantically involved with Jacob?
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC It doesn't matter. His goal is not to become romantically involved with her it is to protect her and be what ever she needs and wants him to be no matter what that is. He is not grooming her to be anything. She is also not grooming him as she is not teaching him to do or be anything. He is being what she needs because of his own feelings. Nessie is not being manipulated as a groomed child might be. She'll make her own decisions and Jake will follow them.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries INdeed, it's not his goal, nor is it hers. It's "fated" by that "imprint" bullshit. He's forced into conforming to what she wants whether either of them actually want it or not. He's not doing it because of his own feelings. He's doing it because the imprint thing is forcing him to do it, forcing him to feel that he must.
So, again, it's still child grooming, only inverted. I guess you could say it's "adult grooming." XD
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC The imprint comes from Jacob. It's the mechanism inside the wolves that tells them "Hey, this person is important to you!" so they don't eff it up. His mind might be saying "I'm being forced by the imprint" but the imprint is still a part of him. And besides, you're basically saying that Jacob is being child groomed (adult grooming is actually something completely different) by the supernatural force inside him that tells him who he loves. Seriously?
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries That's what it is, though. It's not a voluntary function. They don't choose who to imprint on. Once they've imprinted, they don't have a choice, either. So, yes, he is being forced by the imprint.
That it's not voluntary by either of them only makes it worse.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC If I remember correctly, and I do, Bella and Edward were the ones to convince everyone that they should protect Nessie once Carlisle and the rest sent them back to the Cullen house. In any case, she was apart of the group that was rebelling against the Volturi and if anything had gone wrong and they didn't get enough people on their side it meant death. Did you really read the books or did you just skim to find things to make fun of?
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries I read the books. And knowing that Meyer was too much of a hack to allow her precious little characters to die made it so that the whole "search for allies" bit a waste of time.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC of course it was a waste of time for the reader but you aren't judging it from the right perspective. How you feel about the plot doesn't matter. In context of the story their actions were brave and heroic and they were going against the big bad to protect the good at risk of losing their lives and the lives of those they loved. You are essentially saying "That doesn't make her a hero because I don't like the way that turned out in the story!!!" Does not work.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries On the contrary, how a reader feels about the plot matters quite a bit when dealing with storytelling.
Everyone has their own idea of what a hero is. If something doesn't fit that individual's definition, then it is not a hero to that person. Don't you just dealing with a subjective topic?
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC I disagree. When determining if a character is a hero or not "The author used that as a cop out" is not a valid argument. Your feelings about the choices of the author do not matter. You can't say "I don't like that SM chose to make Bella a hero so she is not one." Sure, your opinion on how the character handled the situation matters. If you don't think what she did was heroic, ok but saying that she is not a hero because you don't like what SM had her do is an incorrect evaluation.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries On the contrary, if I don't think what she did was heroic, then I can quite correctly claim that she was not a hero precisely because I do not find her to be heroic. Not to mention that everything she did was for her and her own. There was no sense of selflessness to it. If anything, I'd say that it was the Quileutes that were the ones acting heroic. They were the ones that went above and beyond to help others.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@ZaxfromTSdC This is no longer worth arguing. You will not admit that Bella was a hero at the end because you do not want her to be one. You have no other argument besides "I can decide a hero is whatever a hero is to me." Bella displays attributes at the end that are classically associated with heroes and even I (who hates Bella. Really, hates) can recognize that. SM designed it that way because she had to try and redeem the weak, annoying character Bella was in the beginning. Keyword, try.
YourFavoriteAries 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries No, I will not "admit" that Bella was a hero because she was not a hero. Did Meyer try to redeem Bella? That's certainly arguable. I, for one, definitely say that she failed to do so.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
@YourFavoriteAries ...and do you REALLY want to bring up Jacob/Nessie? That's a whole new can of fail, there.
ZaxfromTSdC 10 months ago
I really don't like how the marketers of Twilight have distorted the word this way...
Elainiwen 11 months ago
Now, Star Wars is a real saga. It may not be about medieval tales, but it does tell the Story of Anakin, a young hero and his family. Bella did NOTHING heroic at all. She did not save the world, she did save anyone. All she did was to dream about the ideal man of her dreams : Edward. In fact, she's a damsel in distress much like in the shojo anime genre : every guy has to freaking save her.
FemaleOtaku1 1 year ago
Exactly. They don't call the Sookie Stackhouse series a saga just because it's got more than three books. They don't even call the Vampire Chronicle;s a saga even though it does fit the definition since every one of those books details a history of a character or a certain group(the history of how vampires came to be, for example...) something Meyer completely skips over....
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EverythingPink00 1 year ago
Dear GOD you are not a public speaker. Please, get someone else to talk; you'll cut the video time in half. Hiring a speechwriter would also be a good idea.
Lazyguy22 1 year ago
I agree with everything you said. I feel ashamed that I used to like Twilight in 8th grade.
Chennaigirl123 1 year ago
Have you seen the book that says on the cover "What Men Know About Women?" you open it up and it's completely totally blank inside... I saw this in Barnes & Noble. It was hilarious!!!
totoro1591 1 year ago 5
Funny thing is that you could switch "men" and "women", and it'd pretty much be true.
Only thing to add is, "Sex". XD
ZaxfromTSdC 1 year ago
I'm not saying I agree with it; that's just what I saw... I thought it was funny they were selling a blank book, not that men know nothing about women... I don't think that's true, and it's offensive besides...
totoro1591 1 year ago
I find it more amusing than offensive, so long as it's recognized that it goes both ways. >.>
ZaxfromTSdC 1 year ago
I agree. Anyway, my point was that it was hilarious to find a blank book that was not a journal, for sale at Barnes & Noble... I guess you can sell just about anything...
totoro1591 1 year ago
@ZaxfromTSdC
My uncle got a book like that only it said
'Sex after fifty' he had just turned fifty. XD
seikjo 1 year ago
I'd call it crap
TheNightOfWolves 2 years ago 3
I don't want to call her a protagonist either since her thought process shows that she's shallow, self absorbed, bitchy and full of herself. She treats her friends like shit and does everything for the one purpose of being with her stalker abusive boyfriend.
So yes, this series is not a Saga... it's crap.
Beowulf is a Saga IMO. Zax please correct me if I'm wrong here.
SkeksisGirl 2 years ago 9
I don't think it is. It's certainly a tale about a hero, so it could qualify in that regard, but I don't know. The being centered around a hero seems to ignore the length aspect of a saga, but it does, apparently, require the tale to be told some time after the events that the tale is about.
(Which means that Twilight CAN'T be a saga, since it's written to take place in modern day and also isn't centered around a family or social group that spans multiple generations.)
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
If the book is about the hero and done in first person POV... then yeah the Hero should be there 24/7.
So in that thinking, it makes Bella the Hero. But since she doesn't do more than be the constant Damsel in Distress from books 1-3.
Then she has the child that shouldn't exist by the "science" that SMeyer put down in book one. Then she dies becoming a Vampire that does nothing but obey her man... she's not much of a hero.
SkeksisGirl 2 years ago 3
Can't sleep, so I thought I'd clarify a point really quick.
While the heroes were noble (meaning indicating that they were thought highly of, the term for which was later self-attributed by the upper class [history being written by the winner and all, thus this being the case for a class struggle]), they did, of course, have moments of struggle where they were not so upstanding. However, they overcame those moments.
Which is why the idea of "heroes" became more about overcoming limitations.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Sorry about your professor, though. Might want to find another. Anyone who'd regard the OED highly is hardly knowledgeable about language. Case-in-point, OED considers "irregardless" to be a word. If you examine the term, however, you'll find it to be quite meaningless.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
I don't know what language is your primary, but the term "hero" in English definitely carries the implication of being morally upstanding.
Hell, even in its roots from Greek mythology, heroes were noble. And, no, not the "upper class" sort. That meaning for nobility didn't come until later. It was particularly in regards to moral upstanding.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
...I find it amusing that so many people don't know how to read and comprehend a definition for a single word that has already been thoroughly explained.
silentmoondemon 2 years ago
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Your attempt at discrediting this SAGA quite hilarious.
Just because you may or may not like a book or the theme or whatever else that really doesnt add or take away from the GENERAL definition of a Saga. So it may not fit every single definition to a T, so?
I'll give you an A for effort and humor, but next time do a little bit more research so you can come up with VALID points. And next time,try using words you're actualy used to.
We wouldnt want you to seem obnoxious now, would we?
Ensces 2 years ago
Your attempt at ignoring the truth is even more hilarious.
That I may or may not like a book has nothing to do with the fact that the series does not fit any definition of "saga". And?
Question, though. At what point did I use any word with which I was not already familiar? Every term I spoke in the video, I've known since before I ever entered high school.
But, I'll bite. Why do you think that the "general" definition of "saga" does not require it to fit any of the precise definitions?
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago 2
If it doesn't fit it, then it's not right.
And he does plenty of research, I say YOU come back with more research, since Edward clearly doesn't do much of ANYTHING that would qualify as heroic
Phoenixangelgal 2 years ago 3
It's not as though researching etymology is one of my hobbies or anything.. >.>
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Why don't you use words that you're "actualy" used to?
AngelofAntistupidity 2 years ago
Not to mention that, by that definition, the Green Goblin would be a "hero".
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Also, the OED is renowned for being nothing more than a joke when it comes to the English language. If you want a dictionary with authority, try the Encyclopedia Britannica.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Furthermore, you are unable to provide any evidence that is contrary to the proof contained within the definitions and meanings provided.
Yours is a worthless effort that cannot amount to anything.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Even if you could manage to convince anyone that the story is about the Cullens, it would still need to span multiple generations of their 'family'.
You may think it unnecessary, but you would be a fool to do so. For the story to be about the hero, the story must follow the hero. Thus, the hero must be present at all times. All the proof required is in the very definitions and meanings being discussed. That you cannot see it indicates that you are being willfully ignorant.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
That was the name given to such men in the times of Greek myths, yes, but the term, as it applies to sagas, means something wholly different. It does not depend on supernatural ability, but rather what one does with the ability one has.
What purpose does quoting the movie have in regard to the discussion? It is not in the book. It is also irrelevant.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
And, even then, the Norse prose narratives that meet the requirements fall under the category of narrative/legend of a hero or detailed narrative recording a family or social group across generations.
I would dare you to find any authoritative dictionary that states otherwise, but I already know it to be a fruitless endeavor.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
And indeed, definitions may vary, but meanings remain the same. ..difference being that definitions are a matter of semantics, whereas meaning is what the words of a definition attempt to explain.
The only sort of saga that is not required to contain a hero is that which falls under the third option -- the detailed narrative of a family or social group that spans generations.
The only other options for being a saga are strictly Norse prose narratives and narratives or legends of heroes.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
No, he is not a hero. Stopping a car from killing her and saving her from the potential rapists was purely done for selfish reasons. Only reason another vampire was even going after her was due to his own actions. That is, he brought it on her. That is not the mark of a hero. The mark of a hero is going above and beyond the call of duty. He would have been a hero had he continued to seek out and eradicate murderers and rapists as he allegedly did long before Twilight began.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago 3
No, Edward is not the hero. He is not a hero because he never does anything heroic.
-_- The definition would become "any narrative or legend of a hero's deeds".
Bella doesn't follow Edward all the time, which would be required for a saga. If the narrator does not follow the hero throughout all the events being told, then it cannot be a saga. And, again, Edward isn't a hero, so it wouldn't even matter if she did.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Not just "acts", but "great acts". A narrative can be first or third.
No, the narrative does not need to be about the narrator. Actually, it is preferable that it not be. However, for it to be considered a "saga", the narrative must follow the hero throughout the exploits, detailing the events.
Considering that there are no great/heroic deeds being accomplished in the series beyond simply surviving the day-to-day, there are no exploits. Also, there is no hero. There is just narrative.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
I agree that Twilight isn't really a saga... but I got kind of bored half way through the vid, sorry.
TheNekoMimiNinja 2 years ago
This is annoying! I'm writing a novel that's supposed to be an actual saga, and Twilight is going to make everyone mislead about them. Thanks for putting this up.
SerenityCalamity 2 years ago 6
Twilight is not a saga even remotely in the true meaning of the word. Whoever had the idea of marketing it as one should take back the word, though it's too late now.
I hate it when the meaning of words is distorted...
Elainiwen 2 years ago 3
Hence why I made this. *nod*
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
TEH COVAR ISH EH LIE!
Canadia200000 2 years ago 3
Not to mention the ads for the New Moon movie. D:
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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I pose a questiion for YOU...who cares?!.....idiot
jaybay101 2 years ago
Anyone who gives even the slightest damn about intelligence.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
I for one care, because this so-called 'saga' is christened incorrectly, and that's a disgrace to real sagas.
...Idiot.
InsanimationINK 2 years ago
well i guess you cared since you came to this channel, dumbass.
11chingchangchong 2 years ago 2
Who cares? Wow, you have an IQ of a dinosaur and yet you call us idiots... hilarious!
vkyle52 2 years ago
I really hate that this series is referred as saga. Sagas are stories about ancient Scandinavian and Germanic history, about early Viking voyages. Twilight is a story that has the same interest and spelling as a bad fan fiction.
Mrhaux 2 years ago 12
@Mrhaux For it is a bad fan fiction
BuzzingFridge 7 months ago
You sir are a badass. Thank for displaying some intelligence and representing nerds everywhere by saying screw twilight. It's times like these when I wish JRR Tolkien was still alive(well thats all the time) so we could hear him rip on Twilight.
skateking1022 2 years ago 5
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you sound like a fucking nerd you proby ugly twilight is the best
MissLizzie1990 2 years ago
Now, see, that's where you've got a bit of a problem.
Nerds have always been the ones to know what's of quality in literature. If I'm a nerd and Twilight is supposed to be literature, then my word has more weight than yours. Which means that Twilight is very poorly written.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Epic win :)
RealKatii 2 years ago
aaand you just made an idiot(an angsty one at that...those are the best!) of yourself on youtube...it's kay, happens all of the time.
Mawiely 2 years ago
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it is a saga cause there 4 of them in the exact same story line
hornsby1001 2 years ago
It's not a saga.
And, once again, I must repeat the fact that the term "saga" has NOTHING to do with any sort of number.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
@ZaxfromTSdC oh LOL
hornsby1001 2 years ago
@hornsby1001 What does that have to do with a saga?
JimmyDThing 2 years ago
@JimmyDThing i dont know im just tired and pretty hungry
hornsby1001 2 years ago
It may be a series, but it is not a saga.
A saga isn't necessarily a series and a series isn't necessarily a saga.
RealKatii 2 years ago
Actually, a series can't really be a saga.. Difference being that each installment in a series acts as a stand-alone book, whereas each installment in a saga are parts of one continual story, with each volume picking up right at (or shortly after) where the previous ended.
Take Lord of the Rings as an example. *nod*
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Father time: Sorry. No refunds.
seikjo 2 years ago 6
No.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
It's people like you who should be given great awards and amounts of money for taking the time to explain to some retarded twitards why their book sucks. I applaud you but sadly I think some of the words you use are to big for some Twilight fans, remember Meyer only really goes up to five syllables max = ]
ToxicWitchling 2 years ago 20
I like your rebuttals against Twilight, they're thoroughly researched and it's obvious time and effort were put into deconstructing the series. It's a shame that there are people still blind to the painfully obvious truth. It's funny to read the comments though!!!
I think I found a connection between Twitards and their failure to grasp basic English that's taught to us since grade 1 or prep.
DarkDranzer88 2 years ago 7
So I heard you liek mudkipz.
Lemoncode 2 years ago 2
I LUUUUUUUUUURVE MUDKIPZ!!!
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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I listened up to 1.46 nd couldnt listen to ur bitchy crap any longer, sum advice...GET TO THE POINT DUMBASS!!!!
LargeCurryChip 2 years ago
That's funny, your comment is much more bitchy than the video, and only a dumbass deals with brief statements when dealing with something requiring detail.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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ur a retard, get a fuckin life ya spa nd dnt waste ur time bitchin nd talkin crap!
LargeCurryChip 2 years ago
I'll try to put this in a way you can understand..
Lern 2 English b4 u cal sum1 els a retard. Uderwyz u mak urself luk mor retarded.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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your not smart? you think your making yourself seem intelligent but your not, your showing me how socially retarded you actually are.
LargeCurryChip 2 years ago
Keep trying, kiddo.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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Keep trying what? Ha Ha your are a sad individual, good luck with your sad life ha ha, oh ya and don't bother to reply to this, I'm sorry but your opinion means..well sweet fuck all to me!
LargeCurryChip 2 years ago
Which is why you bothered commenting in the first place, eh? XD
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
BEST. FAIL. COMMENT. EVER.
vkyle52 2 years ago 3
Thank you for taking to the time to explain in a cool collected manner about why the Twillight series is NOT a saga. Kudos man! Kudos!
FlamebergeDuster 2 years ago 5
randommuffins1323 labeled SAGA FAIL.
ran out of "saga definition" (yeah you can reply on my comment secretly all you want)
BeelzebubOverride 2 years ago
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u talk a lot
randommuffins1323 2 years ago
As do you.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
FAIL #3
ran out of excuse randommuffins?
don't worry, you will be remembered as a twitard FAIL that's for sure.
makes sure next time you go defending a losing battle, you won't go losing.
either way, WE will be doing a lulz on you for being so desperate.
BeelzebubOverride 2 years ago
You tried to spam my channel, only to get your response deleted. :b
Phoenixangelgal 2 years ago
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twilight is so a saga still
randommuffins1323 2 years ago
No, it isn't. If it doesn't fit any of the definitions of a saga, it is not a saga.
What is so difficult to understand about that?
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Check the dictionary.
1. a medieval Icelandic or Norse prose narrative of achievements and events in the history of a personage, family, etc.
2. any narrative or legend of heroic exploits
3. Also called saga novel. a form of the novel in which the members or generations of a family or social group are chronicled in a long and leisurely narrative
Twilight does not cover these so it ISN'T a saga.
Buy a dictionary, something Meyer should of done a long time ago (or not write at all)
Phoenixangelgal 2 years ago 10
wow, i just learned something, thanks! so you mean One Hundred Years of Solitude is a saga too? neat!
jusk8lp 2 years ago
Not sure. I haven't read it.
Phoenixangelgal 2 years ago
It does not. If it doesn't fit the definitions, it isn't a saga.
It's like saying an apple is a potatoe. It is not and no matter how you argue about it, it never will be any time soon.
Phoenixangelgal 2 years ago 27
@Phoenixangelgal Hey! If you wrote "apple" on a potato and sold it to millions of teenage girls and sexually frustrated housewives who then called it an apple, then it would totally be an apple!
thrillout 1 year ago
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yes it is ,gosh u ppl just hate it to much to see that it is.why do u ppl hate it.
randommuffins1323 2 years ago
No, you're just too sold on it to see that it's not. It doesn't fit any of the definitions of a saga.
And we "hate" it 'cause it sucks.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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if u hate it so much why did u read and finished the book
randommuffins1323 2 years ago
Two possible reasons.
1. I wanted to read it for myself so I could base my own conclusions instead of going with what others have said about it.
2. Because it's just so bad that it's hilarious.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
okay so, it's a saga based on the randommuffins1323 dictionary 2009 edition.
so give me a REAL EVIDENCE that twilight is a saga?
spell saga? lol--no, just define what a saga is---don't give me your own definition.
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randommuffins1323 2 years ago
You mean "tale". And that's not the extent of it. Also, Twilight is not an "epic" story...unless you are referring to the magnitude of fail.
And you didn't "tell" me most of the definitions. I've already known the definitions. Which is why I pointed out that Twilight doesn't fit any of them.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Give it up, you're only making yourself look dumber.
ZetsubouMFZB 2 years ago
oh, you didn't tell me anything, yet.
besides i wonder it to,, thanks zaxfromtsdc--it's "TALE" not "tail" that doggies wag.
twilight is NOT epic---you go play final fantasy and THAT's EPIC. you try define EPIC and don't use randommuffins1323 dictionary, give me hard bound definitions.
i'll be counting your fails on me: FAIL#2
BeelzebubOverride 2 years ago
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A modern prose narrative that resembles a saga.
A long detailed report. okay thats what saga means k it came from A.D.750 to 1050
randommuffins1323 2 years ago
And yet neither of those are anything similar to Twilight. >.>
Still not a saga. XD
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
and your point is? twilame is a saga? aww c'mon kid it's not even close to be called a saga, it's just a stream of words on scratch papers bookbinded and it could have meant to become a comic book, if Meyer knows how to draw her meyerpires, that is.
BeelzebubOverride 2 years ago
This made me a happy person. Thankyou for uploading. : >
HaruhixNumber1 2 years ago
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uugh i got bored the first five seconds...this guy doesn't have a life...
Xxfreakyqueen155x 2 years ago
And yet you wasted time replying to it. I'm sure you have just as much of a life.
itachiweasel666 2 years ago 6
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what?noe theres a rule that i can't comment?
if you didn't know i'm free to say whatever i want,that's why we comment,and if i want to waste my time,that's NONE of your buisness,or what?you don't have a life,and you'll waste ur time stalking me?i've heard that speech before,please,don't write back.
Xxfreakyqueen155x 2 years ago
And if he wants to waste his time that's none of /your/ business. Oh yeah, like I'll really waste my time stalking you.
itachiweasel666 2 years ago 5
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the hell it?didn't i tell you don't write back?
look,if he wants to waste it,alright,is /his/ life,but if i want to waste MY time,that's none of your buisness either.
oh and by the way,you've done it.
if you're not stalking me,then why are you caring so much about my comment?
right...
why don't you get lost,and stop making yourslelf an idiot?
Xxfreakyqueen155x 2 years ago
You're calling the other person an idiot...but you say that -you- are free to say whatever you want, but somehow think that that doesn't apply to the other person?
If you're in favor of free speech, you're in favor of free speech for precisely the opinions you don't agree with. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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platinumboi88 2 years ago
roflmao ty man ty you just proved my point to the fullest ^^
JeanHavoc6475 2 years ago
Pefectly said!
xKapsuleCorp 2 years ago
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but in cambridge dictionary its says "a long complicated series of related usually negative events" and that is what it is (not negitive but it says usually) it is long, complicated and they are all related so haaaaaaa
Iamkate123 2 years ago
Note that that definition has a stark lack of anything to do with storytelling, but is instead geared toward life experiences.
Try again.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
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Dictionary(dot)com says:
Saga
noun
a narrative telling the adventures of a hero or family
HUH? Wait, isn't that what Twilight is?
Narrative? Yes
About a family? Why, yes.
Twilight IS about the Cullens and the events Bella goes through to become a Cullen herself. Her moving to Forks is only one of those events that leads her to Edward, and eventually becoming a Cullen. Without the Cullens, there would be absolutely no story. All four books are about her adventures with them.
Yes, it's a saga.
kykebero 2 years ago
Except there are no adventures, silly.
Nice try.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
No adventures of a hero or family, that is. Bella has adventures, but she is neither a hero nor a family. The Cullens have no adventures, because everything that happens for them are things that they're accustomed to dealing with.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
He defeated your argument before you posted it, and he has defeated it, the comment you posted has all ready been attacked, you do not provide a counter argument, you have lost this debate innless you can come up with something new or original he has not covered. You there by lose you have not attacked a single point and all his points carry, and yes is not a valid argument. Is there any other ways I can translate this for you since you most obviously have a problem with the English language
Vutxzzn 2 years ago
I hope I added this to my collection of Anti Twilight videos because people needs to UNDERSTAND THIS.
T^T
Muisann 2 years ago
god u talk to much!!!!!!!!!!! get to the point
anitakitkat 2 years ago
The entire thing is the point. The difficulty lies in that, if one keeps it short, idiots miss the point, but if one explains the point in full, idiots think it's too long and continue to ignore the point.
If you want it shortened, read the video description.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
i meant at the beginning
anitakitkat 2 years ago
That would be called the "Introduction", the portion in which one states what is going to be covered and why.
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
I always get a laugh at of your anti-twilight videos! and afterwards I get to read the comments XD
As an innocent child, I appreciate it when I get a fair warning before delving into mindless nonsence such as 'The Twilight Saga', and now after reading the books myself I can enjoy these videos even more knowing they're 100% true. 8D (though reading the 'saga' was a horrible thing for me)
I applude you and look foward to more videos.
AkidaxSen 2 years ago
Zax, if I do my persuasive speech on why Twilight is misleading and such, can I use this as a source for my speech?
SilverInsanity 2 years ago
If you like, but I dunno if they'd consider me a "credible" source. XD
Could always adapt it to your dictionary of choice, though. *shrugs*
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Pshaw, you'll be the "inspiration" and I'll just use a dictionary. :D
SilverInsanity 2 years ago
the next book is a saga because it's from edwards point of view and he saved bella so he is a hero.
ps I hate twilight
mikami117 2 years ago
But the next book starts just prior to Twilight, so it has nothing to do with his "heroic" period. And, no, saving one person when you have as much power as a Meyerpire doesn't qualify one as a "hero". And, as established, the time period doesn't make it a "saga".
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
as I said I hate twilight but I didn't say that I'm only 13 (It's true)
mikami117 2 years ago
Truth. I like this video, since you are actually explaining it to people instead of just saying over and over again that "Twilight Sucks!"
katrinaelwynn 2 years ago
Every video about Twilight I post elaborates as to why I find that the books suck. *nod*
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago
Well I must tip my hat to you. I literaly went through every page of comments as you used a combination of wit and intellagence to win your battles. *gives thumbs up*
(p.s. I hope you dont mind if I use some of your facts in my arguments to my friends on why i cant stand Twilight.)
shocker278 2 years ago
*tips imaginary hat*
By all means, use whatever resources you can! XD
ZaxfromTSdC 2 years ago