Greek and macedonian dna

[TheFallenSparks]

WTF whats the purpose of the video man? u show us a gay shit from ur country and then u show a few ppl from greece? its like saying in ur country there are only beatifull ppl pff brainless scamps macedonian noadays belongs in greece and back then was an indepented empire

[mpogias13]

This is pure propaganda. It is completely rejected by all the intellectuals of our time...

Your right-wing government is lying to you! The world wants to help you! You're living in a similar lie as the Germans did in the 1930's!!! Wake up before its too late!

History doesn't change with the governments. Its solid as a rock, it never changes. Books suddenly changed after these nazis came to power! Don't believe in their lies, the world is laughing at this joke!

[lokapos]

slav is a descendant word from the word sclavus first used by Greek Byzantines to denote the slaves from the north, the ones that we now call slavs. you can find more information in the linguistic analysis of the origin of the word sclavus, for example the paper "Linguistic Marginalia on Slavic Ethnogenesis" by Sorin Paliga from the University of Bucharest. I can send a copy by email. look also at a paper by Mario Alinei at the Conf. Ancient Settlers in Europe, 29-30 May 2003.

[ViLLaPar0s]

how filthy is this propadanda?? Ancient Greek are ethiopians hahaha... truth is that you are just a remnant of yugoslavia which means south-slavs as simply as that. that is why Alexander is Αλεξανδρος since the beginning of the world and not alexandrofski or something similar hahahaha

[grgirl100]

HAHAHAHAHAHA you wanna be greek so desperately . if skopians were descendants of alexander the great they should spoke his language GREEK . his name is GREEK ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΑΛΕΞ+ΑΝΔΡΑΣ means pushes other men in HIS LANGUAGE GREEK . and you have to take care of your eyes if you think greeks are africans . Get your own history thieves!!!!

[gebrock11]

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ...



[HaggisMacfee]

Hey dacki, look, your bosom retard buddy 'hatlover'

is trying to make friends with you. Hey, I think he wants

you to go out and play together, you'll have to toss

who'll be Alexander and who'll be Hephaestion though,

............don't forget your plastic toy swords.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee You seem to have mixed me up with Gayreeks,retard.As it is widely known,50% and above of all ancient Gayreek intellectuals were FAGS.Your Gayreek nation is prone to homosexuality,so there is a big chance you like something hard in your ass as well.Go practice with a cucumber,I bet you'll like it,Gayreek!

[Gerechtable]

@dacki11

It seems all of you little slavic people of the country VARDARSKA BANOVINA believe the propganda of TITO,SOROS and GRUEVSKI...ANCIENT MACEDONIANS SPOKE A GREEK DIALECT!! YOU ENTERED BALKANS FIRST AT 8 AD ...too bad because ANCIENT MACEDONIANS VANISHED OUT AT 6.AD!!! YOU ARE SLAVS YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT MACEDONIA...AND P.S: IF SOMEONE IS NIGGER-BULGAR-TURK-ALBO-MONGO-­GYPSY SHIT MIXED, THAN IT MUST BE YOU FUCKING PARASITES!!!

[lokapos]

You filthy fyroms accept the fact that you are a bastard state without meaning to this world. You are not Macedonians. Macedonians are all the Greeks.

[hatloverxxx]

MK was a separate ethnicity from Greeks, just as Scots were a separate ethnicity from English.

* Scots & English were originally separate groups of Celts.

* Anglo-Saxons invaded & settled primarily in England, many also settled in Scotland.

* Scandinavians then invaded & were strongest in north England, & Scotland.

* Approx. 400 years later, the Scots put a monarch on the English throne.

* About 300 years later, Scots, English, Welsh & Irish spread ONE British culture through a HUGE empire

[hatloverxxx]

# Note how MK developed as a separate ethnicity, mixing with lighter skinned people / passing on Greek culture to them (not as their masters, but as brothers).

# Like the Scots, the Macedonians mixed with more northern people & gradually developed a separate ethnicity. The Slavic identity is a LATE contribution to the Macedonian ethnogenesis. The Macedonians were already developing separately to the Greeks, but the Slavs put finishing touches to it.

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverRetard. The ancient macedonians being Greek and Greek speaking had assimilated with the rest of the Greek tribes, as  Enst Badian states, integration between Macedonians and the Southern tribes of Greece was a policy enforced by Philip and Alexander, and in any case this happened 1000 years before the Slavs came into the Balkans. The ancestors of the Slavs of FYRmacedonia are proven by DNA to be Serbians and Bulgarians, and have retained their Bulgarian language and DNA

[hatloverxxx]

# Like Scots conquering England, the Macedonians eventually ruled over their "superior" southern neighbours, the Greeks.

# Like Scots with the British Empire, the Macedonians then spread the united culture of the entire area - Hellenism - across the WORLD.

# Like Scots, Macedonians maintained individuality & want independence.

# Like Scots, Macedonians are both HIGHLANDERS, both wear the TARTAN & play GAIDA.

NO WAY are Scots & English the same. NO WAY are Macedonians & Greeks the same! THE END!

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverxxx

You're completely wrong.

The ancient macedonians were a Greek tribe and therefore

racially and genetically the same as the southern Greek tribes

according to all Historians. The ancient macedonians spoke Greek,

worshipped Greek gods, had Greek place names, Greek names

of the months and Greek personal names long before they

were Hellenised by the South. The so-called 'macedonians'

of FYRoMacedonia are Serbo Bulgarians and have NO

CONNECTION with the ancient Macedonians.

[hatloverxxx]

@HaggisMacfee

1. All you've done is agree with me about Macedonians

2. All you've done is agree with me about the parallels with the British, you echo it on your own page, saying the Scots are British, but Scottish at same time

3. In the process, you hurled a volley of abuse, as if possessed

4. On your profile, you've got it all going on, mass-produced manga throw-away culture junk & "DNA" evidence (you say R2D2 marker, l say C3PO)

5. You're an insane materialist with mutliple IDs

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverxxx Oh good, so you agree with the Emeritus professors of the prestigious universities of Yale harvard Princeton Oxford and cambridge that the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe. I don't say anything, i just quote Historians Scholars and archaeologists. Stop trying to draw parallels with Britain. Ancient Macedonians were a Greek speaking, Greek tribe originating from the sameGreek gene pool as other Greek speaking tribes. [E. Borza, Prof. of Greek Penn. State. Univ]

[hatloverxxx]

@HaggisMacfee No, l'm saying, Macedonians are racially moderately distinct, but with a Greek cultural attire. There is a huge body of evidence for it.

Similarly, Scots are racially moderately distinct, but with a British cultural attire.

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverxxx

Opinions are like arseholes everyone's got one.

The Huge body of evidence is from modern scholars

who unanimously agree that the ancient Macedonians

were a Greek tribe originating

from the same gene pool as other Greek tribes.

Greek speaking, worshipping Greek gods, with Greek place

names Greek, personal names and Greek names of the months.

What does the SAME GENE POOL AS OTHER GREEKS

mean to you? Read Borza.

[hatloverxxx]

@HaggisMacfee Go away, you are bad quality, there's something wrong with you.

I will talk to other people, not you, you are a fanatic. Bye.

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverxxx

Hahahahah!!! Retarded moron.

[John V A Fine, 'The Ancient Greeks a Critical History',

Harvard university press, (1983), pp.605-608]

"Modern scholars now almost unanimously

recognise them [ancient Macedonians] as Greeks, a branch of the Dorians and north-western Greeks,

who after long residence in the Pindus region

migrated eastwards."

[hatloverxxx]

@HaggisMacfee You are trying to cover up a lack of education with this bad quality style of debate. I don't want what you are offering, it is not good, it is bad quality. Bye.

[dacki11]

@hatloverxxx Leave poor Haggis to his misery man,he ain't worth it.I would know,I tried to have a debate with him about this matter and every single piece of evidence I presented to him he disputed it like it was never there.No point arguing with a fanatic.

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverRetard

by the way, Scots DO NOT come from the same gene pool

as the English who are anglo Saxons

[HaggisMacfee]

@hatloverRetard Scots are Goidelic Celts, Manx are Goidelic Celts, Irish are Goidelic Celts, Welsh are Brythonic Celts, Cornish are Brythonic Celts, Bretons are Brythonic Celts, English are AngloSaxons. Macedonians were Dorian Greeks, Spartans were Dorian Greeks, Epirotes were Dorian Greeks, Locrians were Dorian Greeks, Athenians were Ionian Greeks, Thebans were Aeolian Greeks, Boeotians were Aeolian Greeks, Thessalians were Aeolian Greeks, Euboeans were Ionian Greeks

[fenotipobombay]

stormfront: garancy of total inaccurateness

[elinach77yahoo]

Τhey learn you fake History,because Soros want a piece of our land .....and our sea ...and oil!!! Dont be stupid! You are Slavs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Hellenes!!!! Wake up!!!!!

[undermyrules]

@elinach77yahoo it was our sea our land and our oil you piss of shit gaygreek you take it from us in 1913 and your alphabet is stolen from ancient Macedonians .. the Venetians so fuck off and enjoy the bancrot of your fake conutry..piss off

[elinach77yahoo]

@undermyrules Im sorry for you...you dont want to see the truth..So many lies and you believe all of that.. You are Slav dear,even the Gligorov say the truth but your president now dont want to accept it.Because want to make business with Soros.You will never take the land of my ancestors.You cannot take something that was never being yours.And our alfavito is from our ancestors.You Slavs did not have written word! Τhe saints Kyrillos & Methodios give to you the slavic alphabet !!!

[yenary17]

@undermyrules GO AND GET YOUR ..DNA..CHECKED AGAIN YOU DIRTY.. INCESTS..

[HaggisMacfee]

[U. Wilcken (1931) 'Alexander the Great', p.22]

"Our conviction is strengthened that

they [Macedonians] were a Greek race

and akin to the Dorians."

[HaggisMacfee]

[George Cawkwell, Emeritus Fellow,

University College Oxford]

"The ancient Macdonians were Greeks,

their language was Greek".

[HaggisMacfee]

[Roger Wilson, 'The Encyclopaedia of ancient Greece']

"The latest archaeological evidence

NOW CONFIRMS that 'Macedonia' was named

after a Greek speaking tribe called the

'Makednoi' meaning in Greek 'highlanders'

from the Greek {macos} meaning tall, high, or long.

Their local dialect of north-western Greek

was later replaced by Attic Greek."

[HaggisMacfee]

[N G L Hammond, 'The Macedonian state']

"what language did the Macedonians speak?

The name itself is GREEK in root and ethnic

termination. It means highlander and is

comparable to Greek tribal names such as

Orestai and Oretai meaning mountain-men.

A reputedly earlier variant maketai has the same

root which means 'high' is in the Greek adjective

'makednos' or the noun 'mekos'.

[HaggisMacfee]

[Professor Donald Kagan Yale University (USA)]

"We know the ancient Macedonians

were fundamentally Greeks that is to say

they were Greek speakers and ethnically

they were Greeks."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Dr. Stephen Batchelor, 'The Ancient Greeks for Dummies']

"Macedonia was - and still is - a territory

of northern Greece. The ancient Macedonians were

of Greek origin and spoke a broader rougher dialect

of Greek."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Richard Stoneman,'Alexander the Great' p.14]

"In favour of the Greek identity of

the ancient Macedonians is what we knmow

of their language, their place names, names

of the months, and many of their personal names

especially royal names, which are GREEK IN

ROOTS AND FORM. this suggests that they did

not merely use Greek as a lingua franca but spoke

it as natives (though with a local accent.......)"

[HaggisMacfee]

[Malcolm Errington 'A History of Macedonia']

"That the ancient Macedonians and their Kings

did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore

Greek names, maybe regarded nowadays as certain."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Malcolm Errington,'A History of Macedonia'] "Ancient allegations that the Macedonians were Barbarians had their origin in Athens at the time of the struggle with Philip, then as now political struggle created the prejudice. The alien way of life was however common to western Greeks of Epiros, Akarnania, Aetolia, as well as to Macedonia, and their Greek nationality was never doubted. Only as a consequence of the political disagreement with Macedonia was the issue raised at all."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Robin Lane Fox,'Alexander the Great', p.104]

"To the Persians, the Macedonians were

known as 'Yuna Takabara' meaning

'Greeks who wear shields on their heads'."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1 [Quintus Curtius, 'Alexander the Great, addressing the dead Greeks at the battle of Chaeronea'] "Holy shadows of the dead, I am not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought SISTER NATIONS and BROTHER PEOPLE to fight oneanother. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine on the contrary I would be glad brothers if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the SAME LANGUAGE, THE SAME BLOOD, and the SAME VISIONS."

[Irukandji78]

Yea right ....Who idiot believes that? Oh the monkeydonians

[HaggisMacfee]

[David Sacks (1995), 'A Dictionary of rthe ancient

Greek World', Oxford University]

"Historians refer to this enlarged Greek

society as the Hellenistic world.

At the start of his reign, the 20 year old

Alexander was the crowned king of

only Macedon - a crude Greek nation

of mainland Greece. His mother Olympias

came from the ruling clan of the north-western

Greek region of Epirus."

[dacki11]

Max Wasmar, Die Slaven in Griechenland, Leipzig, 1914, page 24:

""The Greek science shows ultimate subjective illiteracy and tendency in the efforts to prove that the Macedonians were a Greek tribe, and their language - a Greek dialect."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

Hey, 1914, ..........Old news.

Pella, Vergina were dug up in 1984,

Aini I believe quite recently.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

[Paul Cartledge, Professor of Greek,

Cambridge University]

"Alexander was not the FIRST GREEK to recieve

divine honours in his lifetime, but the precedents

were very few, and of course inevitably inexact"

( The Greeks, Crucible of Civilisation, ch.15, p.228)

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

" N G L Hammond (1992) 'The Miracle that was macedonia ' p.206]

"As members of the Greek race and speakers

of the Greek language, the ancient Macedonians

shared the ability to initiate ideas and create

political forms."

[N G L Hammond (1986) 'A History of Greece to 332 BC]

"Greece and Macedon were akin in

BLOOD AND CULTURE."

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Pointless argument,dirtbag.Same quotes repeated over and over.No effect,I don't know what you think you'll accomplish with them.As you could clearly see (unless of course you chose to be blind) I have shown you numerous records of the existence of a Macedonian nation AFTER their alleged melting into Greeks,thus PROVING you wrong,and yet you chose to deny those facts.Having that in mind,there's no point of continuing this debate.So long Gayreek,have a nice life.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Bla,bla,bla..........now you're saying that the top Historians from the most prestigious universities of Harvard Oxford Princeton and Cambridge and Yale are spouting pointless arguments now????? You've been shafted everywhichway. Your DNA proves it, your Haplogroups prove it, your history shows it. Stop daydreaming of being related to the Greek warrior king Alexander the great, You're just a common or garden Slav, a Serbian-Bulgarian, live with it.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Yeah yeah bla bla...Just like all the quotes by many historians that I presented to you,what about those?Are they "invented" as well?And even IGenea testing,one of the most prestigeous genetic research EVER conducted says you're wrong.The only thing you managed to prove is that you know SHIT about genealogy,linguistics and history all together.Well done for you,retard:):)So long,sucker!

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 ["IGenea one of the most prestigious genetic research EVER conducted"] Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Nice one!! Don't bullshit me you half-wit idiot. Firstly Roman Scholtz of iGenea made it quite clear on the site's message board that "there is NO dna profile on the ancient Macedonians exists, because no DNA has ever been recovered from ancient Macedonian Grave remains in Greece". Secondly iGenea's 'ancient folk Culture' testing was removed after customer complaints.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

Of course iGenea is commercial genealogy, it's

not a science. IGenea has been criticised by other scientists.

as a Joke Company.

One scientist commenting that Quote: "I have rarely seen such a pack of Bullshit as on iGenea's website,

I am talking about ethnicities based on Haplogroups. People

tested with iGenea get their results that say something like

you are R1b therefore your ancestors were Anglo-Saxon

or you are J2 your ancestors can be trace back to ancient

Phoenicia."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

[Cont]

"It's like they [Igenea] don't understand the most

basic aspects of population migration and history

When the level of knowledge is so low, primary

school level, it makes you wonder these companies are not bankrupt yet."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

Hey, Half wit, all you proved to me

is that you know bugger all about History

or genetics, such as when Nero took part in the olympic games

Greece was already part of the Roman Empire, funny

you didn't pick up on that one, and that the E-V13 marker is

related to neolithic farmers from 10000BC migrating

from the near east into europe.

Hey, 8Macedon8 or whatever your name is, I see you still can't

spell 'intelligent' or 'prestigious' . Stick to stacking shelves.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee I'm not wasting my time with you any more,stupid fuck.WRITTEN HISTORICAL TIMELINE-PROVED,you reject it,GENETIC ANALYSIS CONFIRMATION-PROVED,you reject it,DIFFERENCES NOTED BY MANY ANCIENT AND MODERN HISTORIANS-PROVED,you reject them...Why bother?I'm not insulting my intelligence any more replying a pointless argument.Over and out.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 Historians from the Greek departments of the prestigious Universities of Princeton Yale, harvard, to Oxford and Cambridge are unanimously agreed that the ancient macedonians were a Greek tribe, originating from the Greek gene pool and speaking the Greek language. Scholars are agreed that that the Slavs of FYRmacedonia are Slavs related to Bulgarians speaking the Bulgarian language, and whose dna is Serbian+ Bulgarian with NO CONNECTION to the anc. macedonians who were Greeks

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee whatever...

[Gerechtable]

@dacki11

Hahah no no no, its true when the ancient macedonian kingdom fell you slavs slowy showed up in balkans...ancient macedonia had NO slavic influenses...

YOU-MORON -GYPSY, just look around, take a closer look at you city skopje, haha, so many gay brown gypsys....spread propaganda we greeks arent white european??? omg must be jealous right hahah

Well like i said you littlte PRICK, GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE OF SLAVIC INFLUENSE IN ANCIENT MACEDONIA!

p.s where were you rats at bulgarian kingdom?

[dacki11]

@Gerechtable Ancient Macedonia vanished from history in 2nd century A.D. after it's defeat by Rome and became a Roman province,thus de facto didn't exist as a kingdom any more.But Macedonians on the other hand didn't turn into Romans.They stayed in their homeland and were still there when Slavs settled 4 centuries later,and in time they,along with the other natives of Macedonia lost their identity and accepted Slavic culture and language.Clear enough for you,birdbrain?So go suck a cock,malaka!

[lokapos]

@dacki11 hey this isn't very polite from you. as I explained in another post, the word slav means slave. there aren't any native macedonians left apart from about 10,000. so you can't ask people to believe that because you have around 10,000 native macedonians and 2 million slavs (= slaves) you must also have the Greek name Macedonia, which designates a whole territory, for you. You can be Northern Macedonia if you like. but you will never be Hellenes nor true Macedonians.

[dacki11]

@lokapos Oooh if it isn't the all-knowing Gayreek dude from another discussion.Come on,enlighten us with YOUR version of world history.For other readers here:"Slav" comes from the slavic word SLOVO,meaning WORD,so Slavs=people who speak the same language.Moreover,the East Slavic name for the Dniepr river in Ukraine (Slavic original homeland) was "Slavuta",so ergo Slavs=people who live along the Slavuta river.Also slavic word for GLORY is SLAVA,ergo Slavs=glorious people.Simple as that.Period.

[lokapos]

@dacki11 its all over the internet if you look for it. the word slavs appeared at about 6th century to denote the slaves from that area. this is not new. it was said in the past.

[dacki11]

@lokapos Where in the past?Where in the internet?Come on,URL's,quotes,books,research­es...Where are they?Present them to us,let's see them malaka.Confirm your blabbing with proof,come on,let's see it..

[hatloverxxx]

@dacki11 He is the result of product of commercial materialist narrow minded porno-bigotry on the internet, a mix of Japanese manga sites, Stormfront Nazi paedophile supremacy site, and various porno sites.

I'm not even sure what he's trying to say to me, he's very angry at something, l don't know what, l'm not even Macedonian but l thought l would give some interesting analogies between Scotland & MK, l reasoned everything.

[dacki11]

@hatloverxxx I agree with you my friend,greetings from MACEDONIA

[hatloverxxx]

@dacki11 Cool man! Macedonia seems lovely, and l like the music.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 Hey idiot retard, by the way, you've shown me jack shit about a macedonian nation, The Macedonian theme of Byzantium was inhabited by Greeks. I'm wrong???? No, you should be saying Ernst Badian of Harvard University was wrong, he's the one that said that Alexander continued Philip's policy of integrating Macedonians with the tribes of the rest of Greece. You gotta problem with that??? Get in touch with Badian. Hey you should get to love your Serb and Bulgarian DNA

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

[David Hogarth, 'Philip and Alexander of Macedon']

"The King of Macedon was chief in the

first instance of a race of plain dwellers

who held themselves like him, to be

of Hellenic stock."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

[J R Hamilton, 'Alexander the Great' (1972)]

"That the ancient Macedonians were of

Greek stock seems certain."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

[Paul Cartledge, Professor of Greek,

Cambridge University]

"Macedon had become the undisputed single great

power of the Greek world."

(The Greeks, Crucible of Civilisation, ch.13, pp.203-208)

[dacki11]

New Edinburgh Encyclopedia, David Brewster, Published in 1831:"These auxiliaries had been sent by Lazarus, prince of Servia, who, being informed of their treatment, was so offended that he broke off his alliance with the Ottoman, and having formed a confederacy of the neighbouring tribes, appeared at the head of a mighty army, consisting of Bulgarians, Macedonians, Bosnians, Wallachiana, Hungarians, &c. Amurath having collected his tributaries, hastened to meet him on the plains of Cassovau..."

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

[Encyclopaedia Britannica]

"Macedonia is not only considered the

birth place of the Greek race, but also

of the twelve Greek gods." Oh noes!!! Isn't this what Borza hs been saying all along?

[erickusa88]

I think my friend you look stupid, because you can not accept the educating world history !!!

[dacki11]

@erickusa88 Uneducated fool,go through my posts and find out about the separate macedonian nation,don't talk rubbish!Many historians,intellectuals and genetic researchers confirm that Macedonians are a separate people from Greeks,I hate to repeat myself and I'm tired of fanatics and lunatics that shut their eyes when seeing fact that doesn't suit them.Just go through my posts and see for yourself,it's all there.

[erickusa88]

ANY WAY SLAVS HAVE COME IN THE AREA IN 16TH CENTURY AFTER CHRIST AND THEY HAVE NOTHING COMMON WITH REAL MACEDONIANS 1000 YEARS BEFORE SLAVS). IF YOU WANT TO LIVE YOUR DREAM IT S O.K. BUT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THE HISTORY. R U GOING TO POST MY COMMENTS OR YOU DON' DARE ???

[erickusa88]

you do not dare to leave my comments on, don' t you ??

Maybe Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski from Skopje is FULLY right !!!

[dacki11]

@erickusa88 See the whole research,dirtbag:samples compared the Slavic DNA sequences,not the rest of them.Slavic DNA sequence is same in South Slavic peoples,it's the OTHER part that is of interest.That research was made for forensic purposes only,no matching with ancient DNA was made,so it basically proves that Serbs,Bulgarians and Macedonians (just like Croats,Montenegrins,Bosniaks) have Slavic DNA as well.Get it or I have to use Morze code or silent language?

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

Actually you DNA shows you to be the same people

as Serbs and Bulgarians. of course you speak Bulgarian,

that's an added Bonus. And your Haplogroups say that you're the

same people as Serbs.

The ancient Macedonians had integrated with the rest

of the Greeks 1000 in 323 BC according to Badian.

You're a Slav. You can't be more Greek than the Greeks

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Then I have to leave this debate.Showing you all written historical,genetic,lingual evidence,and still you don't accept it.After showing you all in the past hour,you still say they integrated with Greeks,even though I proved to you otherwise.So long mr.Linguist,if even bringing Alexander the Great to life and he telling you he wasn't Greek doesn't convince you,then why the hell am I having this debate with you for?Ignorance and not accepting facts is not a crime,it's STUPIDITY.Bye.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 You've been shafted each and every time. All you've done is prove to me that you FYRMs have a Slavic DNA gene pool that links you to Serbs and Bulgarians. Haplogroups that link you to Serbs, and a Bulgarian dialect. The ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great had integrated with the rest of the Greek tribes a policy initiated by Philip and continued by Alexander according to Badian. That is 1000 years before Slavs appeared on the scene.

[HaggisMacfee]

@HaggisMacfee

The ancient Macedonians were a Helladic people,

they spoke Doric Greek,

They were a Greek sub-group They genetically

certainly merged and assimilated with the rest

of the Greeks - Badian tell us so, there's

no evidence to suggest otherwise.

FYRMs do not speak Greek, they have a Slavic

gene pool their claims to being ancient Macedonian

is baseless.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

it's immaterial whether it was made for forensic

purposes, it shows your DNA to be the same as Serbs and

bulgarians. Your haplogroup says you're the same people as Serbs,

and anthroplogists say that you have NO CONNECTION

with the ancient Macedonians who were Greeks.

So question is are you claiming to be Greek, and not Bulgarian???

Because you can't be more Greek than the Greeks.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

[Eric Carlton (1992) 'Occupation: the policies

and practices of Military conquerors'

"Scholars are now more or less agreed

that they [macedonians] were one group

of many Dorian Greek tribes that made

their way into Greece from the Balkans

in successive waves."

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee "Made their way into Greece from the Balkans"?:)And where exactly is Greece?Africa?Australia maybe?Quoting isn't getting nowhere,those are all ASSUMPTIONS,don't you see?Quotes say "more or less agreed",meaning they don't have solid proof of it,ok?Like evolution,the vast of the space,number of stars etc.,those are all assumptions and theories,it's not proven,so give it up.You never talk with facts but with assumptions.Give me facts asshole,and answer the fucking question already!!!

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

[Eugene N Borza, Emeritus Professor,

Penn. State University]

"On the matter of the Hellenic origins

of the Macedonians. Nicholas Hammond's

general conclusion that the origin of

the Macedonians lies in the Pool of

PROTO-GREEK speakers who migrated

out of the Pindus mountains during the

Iron age is ACCEPTABLE."

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Haggis Macfee:Ancient Macedonians melted in the greater Greek stock a century before Slavs arrived.

"History" of Leo the Deacon,986 A.D: "...since they robbed the region of the Macedonians mercilessly, destroying all adults.". Leonis Diaconi Historiae, Paris 1864, p. 311.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Haggis Macfee:Ancient Macedonians melted in the greater Greek stock a century before Slavs arrived.

"Annals" of Bari,1041: "...he had already written to Sicily from where the unfortunate Macedonians, Paulicians and Calbrians arrived." G.H. Pertz, Annales Barenses, Monumenta Germaniae historica, Scriptores V, p.53.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Haggis Macfee:Ancient Macedonians melted in the greater Greek stock a century before Slavs arrived. Byzantine satire" Timarion",early 12th century A.D: "The day of Saint Demetrius in (Salonika) is a grand Macedonian celebration in which not only the Macedonian people gather, but people of all sorts and from all directions: Greeks from different regions of Hellada, the Mizian tribes...". Vizantiiski Vremenik, Moscow VI 1953, p. 367.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Haggis Macfee:Ancient Macedonians melted in the greater Greek stock a century before Slavs arrived.

Ephraimi Chronologici caesares,1185 A.D:"Woe, woe, the city of Salonika is captured, I say, the metropolis of the Macedonians."

Ed. J.P. Migne - PG 143 , Paris 1891, p.198.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 Besides which all the facts, factors, Haplogroups, and DNA say that you are Slavs and the same people as Serbs and Bulgarians. That is you're Serbo Bulgarians. On the other hand, all the facts factors and Haplogroups (E-V13 and R1a) point to the ancient Macedonians being related to modern Greeks. Well, we already know from historians and Archaeologists and anthroplogists that the ancient Macedonians were a Greek people. speaking the Greek language.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

These statements of yours mean nothing.

Macedonia was a region in which Greek speaking

peoples lived, nobody's denying that.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Hahaha,you don't see the point,do you?Look at the dates of those writings - they are ALL after your so-called alleged "melting" of Macedonians in the "greater Greek stock",all of them proving you're full of shit.See how "Macedonians" are consistantly being mentioned?if they lost their identity,why would they be there?COME ON,GAYREEK,EXPLAIN YOURSELF,DON'T HIDE.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

Actually Badian said it

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

The Byzantine theme of Macedonia

had no relation to the ancient kingdom

of macedonia and the ancient macedonians

of Alexander the Great. they had merged

a thousand years earlier with the rest

of the Greek tribes.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Who mentioned anything about "theme"?Stop your pathetic excuses,the scripts show "Macedonians",not Macedonia,theme,province,or anything like it.It just shows Macedonians,a nation,get it?

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

A Byzantine theme of Macedonia

populated by Greek speaking Byzantines.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee No one mentions Byzantine theme of Macedonia asshole,it's in your head.Do you want me to continue with the quotes denying your claim?Showing MACEDONIANS,not Macedonia as a region,province,theme etc.,but MACEDONIANS as a NATION,scumbag!Stop pathetic excuses,I talk with facts and references,those are UNDENIABLE,stop making a fool out of yourself.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

Quote as many as you want, you can't change the fact

that according to Badian 'Alexander continued the policy

of integrating the Macedonians with the rest of the Greek tribes

1000 years before the Slavs arrived in the Balkans. In other

words the ancient Macedonians had integrated into the Greek

melting pot 1000 years before any Slav arrived in the Balkans, and

who were consequently deported to Asia minor by the Byzantine emperors.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

Quote as many as you want, you can't change the fact

that according to Badian 'Alexander continued the policy

of integrating the Macedonians with the rest of the Greek tribes

1000 years before the Slavs arrived in the Balkans. In other

words the ancient Macedonians had integrated into the Greek

melting pot 1000 years before any Slav arrived in the Balkans, and

who were consequently deported to Asia minor by the Byzantine emperors.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11 1)According to Badian the Macedonians had integrated with the Greek tribes a thousand years before the Slavs arrived in the Balkans. 2) All facts factors haplogroups and DNA say that you're the same people as Serbs and Bulgarians. 3) All Historians say the abcient Macedonians were Greeks, speaking the Greek language, worshipping Greek gods, with Greek place names, Greek names of the months, and Greek personal names. All facts and haplogroups point to Macedonians being Greek

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Stop being an ignorant son of a bitch an answer the fucking question!See those quotes?Made by REAL people in REAL books,ALL of them showing existence of a Macedonian nation AFTER that alleged melt,once again you're proven wrong,dirtbag!Take a defeat like a man,don't be a crybaby!Haplogroups DON'T prove that,as I have proved to you via IGenea,historians DON'T all agree on that,as I have shown you the quotes,books and books written by historians.So shut the fuck up already,Gayreek!!

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee  Haggis Macfee:Ancient Macedonians melted in the greater Greek stock a century before Slavs arrived.

Chronographia of Theophanes the Confessor,758 A.D: "That year Constantine plundered the Sclavinii throughout Macedonia and subjugated the rest." Theoph., I, p.430, 21-22.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

According to historians the ancient macedonians

were integrated with the rest of the tribes of Greece

in a policy enforced by Philip and continued by Alexander. That's about a thousand years before you Slavs arrived

on the scene. Besides which, why would Greek speaking

peoples of a Greek speaking Byzantine Empire want

to mix with you hairy Slavic speaking Slavs? Of course,

the Byzantine Emperors would package you pain in the arse

slavs off to Asia minor

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Haggis Macfee:Ancient Macedonians melted in the greater Greek stock a century before Slavs arrived.

Synod records of the Ohrid Archibishopric,early 13th A.D:"Ioannis Ierakar by birth Macedonian". J. Pitra, Analacta sacra et classica specilegio Solesmensi parta, t. VI Juris ecclesiastici graecorum selecta paralipomena. Parissis et Romae 1891, col. 315.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki11

[Ernst Badian (1980)]

"Alexander continued the policy of integrating

Greeks and Macedonians."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Encyclopaedia Britannica]

"Macedonia is not only considered the birthplace

of the Greek race, but also of the twelve Greek gods."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Eugene Borza, Emeritus Professor,

Penn. State University (USA)]

"The Highlanders or Makedones of

the mountainous regions of Macedonia

are derived from north-west GREEK STOCK"

"That is, we may suggest that north-west

Greece provided a pool of IE speakers of

PROTO-GREEK."

[HaggisMacfee]

[N G L Hammond]

"At the end of the bronze age, a residue of

Greek tribes stayed behind in Macedonia,

one of these, the 'Makedones' occupied Aegae

and expanded into the coastal plain

of lower Macedonia."

[HaggisMacfee]

[Prof. Donald Kagan, Yale University (USA)]

"We know the ancient Macedonians

wwere fundamentally Greeks, that is to say

they were Greek speakers, and ethnically

they were Greeks."

[IiIgiannakosIiI]

And i don't imagine this things. My theories are based on history channel and national geographic.YOU ARE ASHAMED TO BE CALLED SLAVS SO YOU TRY TO STEAL HELLENIC HISTORY WITH PROPAGANDA.IF YOU WANT MACEDONIA COME AND GET IT.IRON MAIDEN-ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND LISTEN THE FIRST 10WORDS

[IiIgiannakosIiI]

IN THE University of Oxford there are stones with ancient greek words which are used even today by Hellas.stones that Alexander the Great wrote on them.Secondly the ancient macedonian-greek coins have greek words such as 'μακεδόναι'-exhibits in greek museums.Thirdly macedonias participated in the olympic games as we all know only greeks could

[dacki11]

@IiIgiannakosIiI Greeks WEREN'T the only ones to participate in the Olympics fool,check out Tiberius,Nero,prince of Armenia...Don't talk bullshit like your other Gayreek compatriots.

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

Are you a professional idiot??

Greece had already become Roman by the time

Tiberius and Nero took part in the Olympic Games.

The Olympic Games were now Roman, and Roman

rules applied.Meaning anyone in the Roman world

could participate.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Exactly the point - when Phillip conquered Greece,they became MACEDONIAN games,no one could prevent Macedonians from participating,they EARNED their right to play BY THE SWORD.And stop hiding,I showed you evidence of the existence of Macedonians after your alleged "melting" in the "greater Greek stock",thus proving once again you're full of shit.Tell me,how is that possible if they lost their identity?Come on,Gayreek,dignify me with a logic,reasonable answer.I'm waiting...

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1 Keep the bullshit coming in you retarded supermarket shelf stacker. "The Royal house of Macedon, the Temenidae, was recognised as Greek by the presidents of the Olympic games in the early 5th centuryBC, [N G L Hammond] That's almost 200 years before Philip unified the warring states of Greece. What did Alexander I of Macedon say when admitted to the Olympic games? "I myself am by ancient descent Greek, and I would not willingly see Greece change her freedom for Slavery."

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee Temenidae,Argeadae etc. came as a result of a MYTH you dumb twit,you know,the legend of the three brothers and all from Argos in Pelloponese.Macedonian house of Argeads come from Argos Orestikon in Orestis region in Macedonia,or as Appian states in his "History of Rome:Syrian wars":"There is an Argos in Peloponnese, another in Amphilochia, another in Orestea (whence come the Macedonian Argeadae)"It's another Greek make-belief for propaganda purposes,even Goebels would be proud...

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1

According to Historians, the integration

of Macedonians and the other tribes of

Greece was a policy enforced by Philip and

continued by Alexander.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee And stop using the same quotes all the time,dip shit!You think I didn't notice that?Same couple of quotes over and over again.As I have shown you I have a lot to dispute them myself,so it's gonna get you nowhere.And Phillip and Alexander didn't FORCE Macedonians to mix with Greeks,that's bullshit.His army mixed with whoever they wanted,even Alexander took a Persian girl as his wife,that proves SHIT!Scripts prove existence of Macedonian nation AFTER your alleged melt.EXPLAIN,PLEASE!

[alikigiapanta100]

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You are so funny...!!! is there any one who really belive thet Alexadner the Great was from your fucking country... be happy now you can say those lies because your big friends Turks and Americans give you the power to do this... but dont think that your country will exist for many years... they will vanish you when they dont need you any more...!!! Besides HELLAS has 4000 years of history and will exist for many more..... xaxaxaxxaxaxaxaaxxaxaxa

[OlinaHeart]

You morons came from slavic tribes and happened to settle in Macedonia. You have nothing to do with Greece, Alexander the great, greek language and civilization. If you did, you'd still speak greek like the rest of us. You can't steal greek history no matter how badly you want that. Skopian losers!

[HaggisMacfee]

Oh, and I forgot, every Historian, Scholar,

and Emeritus Professor from the Greek departments

of the prestigious Universities of Harvard, Princeton,

Yale, Oxford and Cambridge unanimously agree that

the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe, Greek speaking,

worshipping Greek gods, with Greek place names, Greek names

of the months and and Greek personal names.

[dacki11]

@HaggisMacfee IGenea DNA research from samples taken by Macedonians (not Macedonian Albanians) and Greeks:

Macedonia: I2A – 39%, E1B1B – 26%, R1A - 20%, J2 – 15%, R1B – 10%

Greece: I2A – 11%, E1B1B – 32%, R1A – 12%, J2 – 14%, R1B - 31%

Read them and weep,malaka!Quite reachable on IGenea website for reference,knock yourself out...

[HaggisMacfee]

@dacki1 Stop quoting pointless basic haplogroups. It's the subclades that are important. By the way, Your Bulgarian language is in fact West Bulgarian and is the closest to the Bulgarian spoken in Bulgaria, Understandable since you are now found to be the same people as Serbs and Bulgarians. You can't be Macedonians since the Macedonians were a Greek people and spoke a hybrid Aeolic / Doric Greek dialect of the Western Greek language. You neither speak Aeolic nor Doric Greek.

[MORMOLIS159]

you are pathetic all of you....

[MORMOLIS159]

macedonia is greek you fucking shit..you are slavs you idiots!!

[Tbukovski]

MACEDONIANS WE ARE THE WHITE SCEEN PEOPLE...BUT YOU GREEKS YOU ARE THE ARABS LOCKING PEOPLE...TO SE THAT YOU DO NOT NEED DNA...JAST SE THE REFLECTION IN THE UREA WHEN YOU URENAITHING...ONLY WHITE PEOPLE IN GREECE THEARE THE MACEDONIANS AND THEY BE TORTURED FOR MORE THAN CENTURY...BRAKA MAKEDONCI OD EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA,VRATETE GI DEDOVITE IMINJA- VO IMETO NA BOGA...ZASTO MAKEDONIJA I PRIPAGA SAMO NA MAKEDONCITE....

[gampcptn]

@Tbukovski <<<-- A White Gypsy

from Sutka Scopjie,Fyrom.