you might honestly think that dawkins' table/fact analogy is too elementary and obvious, but then you realize the type of person (or non-thinker) for whom the illustration is meant...
I deeply regret that I was of the many generations that did and continue to have no reason or interlinking to associate with in the instruction of biology. It explains my once deep loathing for it, I suppose.
Infinite worlds is not ridiculous at all! Why it should exist only our universe and the others don't ? If you consider as fact that everything is abstract the Infinite Worlds interpretation is very intuitive.
if the TOE is flawed then it would have been in the annals of history by now along with bogus theories like Ugenics - stop wasting everyone's time your ignorant, brainwashed wanks!
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible. Papacy cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
@Qwapzable Evidence that the TOE is flawed? Completely false. If there was, it couldn't have survived over a century of scrutiny under the rigors that which top scientists employ. It has in fact, with the recent advances in genetics, become even more undeniably sound. You're reading too many creationist websites.
Your 2nd statement that people want to refute ideas they find unreasonable is true. Unfortunately, why they view things as unreasonable is based on bias & emotion and not objectivity.
Could you point us to the evidence that the theory of evolution is flawed? It is no doubt published in Nature or Science, being such a huge new discovery, no?
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i would like to understand special realtivity at least.but im confused with the train example.if the train goes by velocity of light how on earth could the ligth beam go to the mirror at the ceiling by 90 degree angle. i mean if u sit on the train and train goes by velocity of ligth u cant see ur image from the mirror at the ceiling!! any way if i accept thats true then i understand time duration.but no i cant imagine how can i see the reflection of myself?
God atheists and evolutionists are so arrogant. See God loves me. He created me because he loves me. He loves me so much that one day I will get to be with him forever and ever because I am so special. He even took time out of his busy day watching children being crushed in an earthquake so I could get a parking spot. So uh...what was I saying...OH! Atheists are so arrogant.
@TomFynn If you couldn't tell, the very obvious sarcasm I was insinuating then there is no hope. Of course what I am really saying is Christians are the most arrogant people on the planet but thanks for ruining the joke.
People don't accept evolution because they know that if they admit that it is true, their God is unnecessary and that we are not as special as we once that.
People involved in fields of mass media, business and etc usually have worse moral issues at a higher frequency than those in the field of science. Why aren't the mainstream public picking on them instead? Especially the religious faithful who always claimed to be so moral?
at 0:09 - So he is basically saying that if you tie yourself in a chair and program a machine that gets input the winning lottery numbers....if the input numbers doesn't match your ticket...the machine you are tied in fires the bullet at you ...and if the number match then it doesn't fire the bullet....so the only universe you continue your consciousness in is is the universe where you have won the lottery.
I mean this in a good way: Dawkins needs to remember that most people are not at his level of intellect and ability to grasp ideas. When Krauss spoke about the use of the word "theory", Dawkins understood (obviously) but moved on to another point rather too quickly.
@zasterguava That is funny! I found myself laughing instinctively at Dawkins' remark, "that's very good" before I even realized that I'd read your post. I think the reason it's funny, and this is coming from a Brit living in the US, is that with his little English accent, although we know he's genuine, it still sounds almost patronizing, purely as a result of his accent. Either way, this certainly is enlightening entertainment. I went from American Idol with the wife, to this 'chat' tonight...
haha I found myself laughing at 3:05 instantly as well; and I do agree it's probably because it sounds rather dismissive; of course we all know RD means no disprespect haha
@Joe22c I will hopefully get to meet him next year, so I should be able to confirm that! My best buddy met him this year and said that he was a great guy in person.
I'd want to drink afternoon tea with Dawkins; beer and whiskey in the pub with Hitchens (formerly); and take hallucinogenics in India whilst meditating with Harris!
scientific theory of evolution, with the scientific theory of electromagnetism and the scientific theory of quantum mechanics. This is a step in the right direction. It gives me a little more ammunition in the arguments i tend to have with theists. Its about time.. :) thank you so much for uploading this epic 'chat'
@jeanclaudevandamme Amen! YouTube is absolutely amazing as an educational device: it's a shame that it is commonly thought of as only an excuse to "waste time" watching pointless videos of cats and/or people doing stupid things.
@jeanclaudevandamme very very true. the best parts of youtube isn't the mainstream videos or the tv shows, its the under viewed discussions such as this. If only as many people watched this as much as they watched the top music video.
I hate i live in alabama, the teaching of evolution in this state is relatively, non-existent, though i had it my senior year (2007) in high school, but it was a specialized class about the origins of space, and Earth. Evolution was not mentioned in my biology class. You open the book, and animals are already walking around, and are assumed having been for millenia. Its really a shame.
Yes indeed, evolution is as much of a fact as RD is awesome. With the overwhelming amount of evidence proving it, if you can't see it you must be pretty dimwitted/religious now wouldn't you? :P
lol I think Lawrence got it wrong on why physics doesn't suffer the same fate as evolution. Physics helps us win wars, and Americans have no greater passion than waging them.
I'm a third year physics major, Evolution is both a theory and a fact.
A fact is something that can be observed, A theory is the best explanation for that observation.
e.g Newton developed the theory of gravity with his laws of motion, Einstein then developed general relativity to relate mass and space time, these theorys explain the FACT THAT THINGS FALL
evolution is no different, it is our best explanation of the FACT that species evolve over time.
It is good to hear the word "fact" when discussing Evolution. If I have heard the word "theory" being used to defend the delusions of a creationist once, I have heard it a thousand times.
I think the leaps in evolution are due to immense environmental change. We act and react to our environments. Like the bacteria threatened in a Petra dish, it must "adjust" in order to survive.
The human race has evolved enough to know, that now we can actually manipulate our own environment for the better.
Morals are hard coded into our genes. The precedence of morals is determined by the environment. Science is now learning how we got our morals and how other animals show moral characteristic. We don't need god for our morals, it's in your genes.
Does Dawkins have a time machine? How does he know for SURE that it is a FACT that we aren't just living in some computer-generated world such that the laws of physics make sense NOW, and SEEM to imply things like evolution and the big bang, but in FACT we're in some kind of computer generated illusion (a la the movie 'The Matrix')? Can he rule that out entirely? If so, I'd like to know how...
@TrueHealth27 Capitalizing "fact" doesn't make something more persuasive. The answer is that there is no evidence for it, like a lot of things, so it's silly to operate under the assumption of it being correct until supporting evidence is found. Otherwise it'd make sense for me to refuse to ever cook a pizza because I can't prove that a chupacabra hasn't gotten into my oven. It could be true, & it's an interesting thought experiment, but there's no evidence.
@TrueHealth27 Also, wiki for "Evil Daemon" if you've got an interest in that particular hypothesis and philosophical concept, it really is an interesting thought experiment. And it can certainly help us to better interpret and understand the errors our brains are prone to make in their parsing of information we receive in the world around us. The way our brains naturally miscalculate statistics and how often we actually hallucinate are pretty interesting phenomena.
I have ruled out the possibility of you harbouring any intellect whatsoever.
No, not because you questioned Dawkins. You must approach life like a judge of law. You cannot rule everything out, but you can most certainly rule some things in. I actually just made that up myself, so i am at least partially indebted to you for provocating from within me such a gem..
No he can't rule that out completely, the possibility of something like that is always there, but without any evidence to point in that direction there's not much point thinking about it.
@TrueHealth27 Simple, it's called the fossil record and genetic markers. And to equate the the laws of physics change would rule out the possibility of your existence. And evolution can be seen to take place now in virus, bacteria, ect. You are making a claim the we are some sort of computer generated illusion. Present your evidence. Otherwise, it's not even worth contemplation.
People aren't just confused because they are not used to dealing with large numbers of years, but also because they are not used to dealing with large numbers of individual events, and are not used to dealing with the difference between linear and exponential growth.
Master all 3 and evolution by natural selection suddenly makes perfect sense. Large time and numbers ensures some postive mutations. Exponential growth and large time ensures natural selection.
Thomson put it best,"morality is doing what is right despite what you are told, RELIGIOUS MORALITY is doing what you are told despite what you know is right"
he hit the nail on the head on that one. evolution, just like gravity is a fact. the theory of evolution, just like the theory of gravty explains how they both work.
like I've said before, evolution has to be one of the simplest, most intuitive theories in all of science. the fact that anyone CAN'T understand it is what baffles me. I think the problem is, many people refuse to even try to understant it.
I think we should use a different definition for a "scientific theory".
A scientific hypothesis is only a proposal for a theory which is not yet verified in practice.
A scientific theory is a hypothesis that was already verified in practice and there are no known data that are contradicting it. Thus, a scientific theory it is a factual truth.
@48acar19 Just voiceing by agreement with your comment. To differentiate between 'hypothesis' and 'theory' would seem to be the most useful way of approaching the whole 'evolution is a theory' thing.
@xSilverPhinx one can indeed get very philosophical about such things. and its true that no human being can actually "see" a table for what it objectively is, since all sense data must be filtered through our sense organs, which are processed by our brain into a model of the table.
Take a good look at these two guys. Men like these are the reason you are inside a comfy, sheltered home. Instead of living in a cave. Men like these two are the reason you are able to interact with the population of the world through an electricaly charged plasma screen through the world wide web.
Richard doesn't want to KILL religion. He wants to TORTURE it with a death of a thousand gaping wounds.
If Richard wanted to kill religion he'd jump all over the question of the underlying law of nature. (Google it)
The underlying law of nature makes fairy tales obsolete. It does this when its question is taken seriously, let alone upon identifying what it is, understanding it and finally applying it, which all 7-billion people can easily do, including all future generations.
Yes but its not Richard who tortures Religion! Its Religious people who torture themselves! (Dawkins actually wants to "save them" from that intellectual torture that is religion)
Science and reasoning are key, no doubt. Both of which underpin 'the attempted murder of God' - A critical book at a critical time, it reveals the secrets of science that comprehensively demolish the theory of Evolution and provides scientific proof for God - a scientific certainty kept hidden from the world that in this critical time in history can now be revealed.
LSD sounds like a good thing for quantum physicists to partake of, lol. All the fractal geometry would likely help them conceptualize the crazy nature of our universe, and the concept of infinity.
hm, In my school we learn't Biology, Physics and Chemistry all at the same time. We didn't Really have a Science Class because everything was specified we had a Biology class not a Science class (ofcourse it is science I'm just showing the point that they were split.). i agree that in school's we learned evolution relatively last but I knew and understood evolution when I was 11 due to the internet :P
"The powerful illusion of design, that nobody could fail to notice".
I've never been able to see that. When I look out my window at a tree or a squirrel it doesn't look designed to me. Design is something engineers do. I haven't ever seen an engineer design anything like that.
Why don't evolutionary biologists completely stop using the word design?
@677boston Because there is design, however the design is random mutation and natural selection. Yes, it's an unfortunate word when dealing with Creationists, but for anyone from Dawkins background (UK) these folk are vanishingly rare. We burried Darwin in Westminister Abby, and his portrait is on the £10 note.
I agree with a lot they are saying in this bit, I always hated just learning facts, I don't think I was ever tought evolution in my school, I was tought genetics though, go figure
What I have never understood about the dual slit experiment is whether the electron's motion should really be detectable without influencing the electron. In the macro world you don't see a rifle bullet react to a high speed flash camera because the photons which bounce off the bullet have no effect on its trajectory. Now is it reasonable that the detectors in the dual slit experiment "should have" had no effect on the electron or its trajectory?
detectors in the dual-slit experiment do not interefere with the experiment because they exist at the end up the experiment.
they're collecting data off the remnants of the experiment.
they are not following the electrons or seeing where they are at any given point (other than the very end)
if they did that then yes; any form of mid-transit detection system will disrupt an electron (can't really disrupt a photon unless you've got some massive gravity) and cause inaccuracies in data collection
@galt57 thats an incredibly relevant concern, but it illustrates the utter weirdness of quantum. its not that the photons are pushing the electron (Although Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is very important) , its that the very act observing the electron collapses the wave of probability, and so said probability wave can no longer interfere with itself and produce the bizarre results
@SmartStuff357 An electron in a hydrogen ground state has an energy of about 12 Ev, and a radius of orbit about 1 Au. To detect it would require a photon of 1Au wavelength however any such electron would have an energy of 1,250Ev. Like using a tank to feel for a lost egg in the long grass.
The problem is, science will never answer where the laws came from or how the universe is here, so all other questions really, are just irrelevant. I don't see the point in anything if at the end of it, we will not learn the big answers.
@ArtOfPhire People can dispute it. Those that believe god to be real also know for a fact that within that belief system god is a man because humans are in his image and women are formed from a rib of the first male. I am not religious by the way and you are no correct.
Some evidence is obvious intellectual stuff such as the the universe itself being created from nothingness, the infinitesimal mathematical probability of the laws of physics being set during the Big Bang to allow life to exist, the life of the historical Jesus as recorded by first century biographers, and the God impulse that's implanted in every human being. The most compelling evidence is the personal connection many Christians have made with God..but that's for us to know and you to find out.
I don't believe Evolution is an emperical fact so much as a Logical Necissity. All the components are proven fact, therefore the process must take place.
I agree. I find this even more applicable to natural selection. When you compile the fact that organisms in a population have innate differences with the fact that these differences result in different fitness, then natural selection is simply a logical process that must occur.
The greatest hurdle that science has to clear. Many will not even listen to what science has to offer because they see it as an attack on God/religion. What a shame.
If you find the fundamental and incredible workings of the universe inane you simply must be lacking a soul, in the numinous (as opposed to the supernatural) sense!
There's nothing immoral about science but on the other hand there's nothing moral about it. Nor is there any reason to use science to prove/disprove God.
Science is inherently agnostic in the sense that religion is a realm of philosophy or belief and should always remain so. The only thing I dislike about Dawkins is that it seems he believes science can dispell God, when it can't and shouldn't be used that way. It's just as wrong as someone trying to use it to prove God exists.
I believe Dawkins, like most other scientists, would agree to science's agnosticism, but still use science as a tool to rebuke established religions; not disproving theism.
Two of my biggest heroes in the world. I want them to live for ever.
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huwrj 2 days ago
why is this stuff not on tv that much? is it because we need to make room for UFC, Celebrity Big Brother and Funniest Things Animals Barf?
Hammerhand1989 3 weeks ago
@Hammerhand1989 sadly because there is no money in it
plspirit81 2 weeks ago
you might honestly think that dawkins' table/fact analogy is too elementary and obvious, but then you realize the type of person (or non-thinker) for whom the illustration is meant...
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Typho0n86 4 weeks ago
Lol. Dawkin's looks like hes in love with Krauss. Idk why but I like seeing two people of such intellect with so much admiration for the other.
frylock492 1 month ago
I deeply regret that I was of the many generations that did and continue to have no reason or interlinking to associate with in the instruction of biology. It explains my once deep loathing for it, I suppose.
yasiru89 2 months ago
"...God has created us in her image" So funny! lmao
llnetbeast 2 months ago
"its almost as if you need a ridiculous theory to understand a ridiculous observation" !!! Thats awesome!
TheRainingInk 3 months ago
"God created us in Her image" bahahahaha
MultiDubmix 3 months ago
For a newer interpretation of QM, see "Biocentrism." It's perhaps the least ridiculous of them all.
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I CAN PROVE evolution is a myth! we evolve very slowly through each generation right? Well why is Eric Hovind just as stupid as his dad?
dilwich123 4 months ago in playlist Richard Dawkins
Infinite worlds is not ridiculous at all! Why it should exist only our universe and the others don't ? If you consider as fact that everything is abstract the Infinite Worlds interpretation is very intuitive.
DraskyVanderhoff 4 months ago in playlist Lawrence Krauss Discussion - Richard Dawkins
i loled when he said in her image
weswii 4 months ago 3
if the TOE is flawed then it would have been in the annals of history by now along with bogus theories like Ugenics - stop wasting everyone's time your ignorant, brainwashed wanks!
Dagvalda 4 months ago in playlist Lawrence Krauss Discussion - Richard Dawkins
holy shit, i have to pause this for a minute.
ladicius 4 months ago in playlist Lawrence Krauss Discussion - Richard Dawkins
It's not ridiculous. It's just that much bigger than our minds.
Panpiper 4 months ago
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"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible. Papacy cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 5 months ago
Hey Jeanclaude, Neat to Hear Them Banter Back and Forth.
mdgreg 5 months ago
Lawrence Krauss will you have my baby? im a man but ill let you impregnate my girlfriend :D
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@defect530 give your child a decent education and read to it every day, and it'll surely grow up to be a genius :D
zangetsu2k8 2 weeks ago
The only reason anyone would object to evolution is simply because it conflicts with their faith in god. Period.
gigisdad 7 months ago 44
@gigisdad Or because there is sufficient evidence that the theory of evolution is flawed, and people want to refute ideas they find unreasonable.
Qwapzable 5 months ago
@Qwapzable Evidence that the TOE is flawed? Completely false. If there was, it couldn't have survived over a century of scrutiny under the rigors that which top scientists employ. It has in fact, with the recent advances in genetics, become even more undeniably sound. You're reading too many creationist websites.
Your 2nd statement that people want to refute ideas they find unreasonable is true. Unfortunately, why they view things as unreasonable is based on bias & emotion and not objectivity.
gigisdad 5 months ago
@Qwapzable
An outright lie.
ChainsawVsGod 4 months ago in playlist Lawrence Krauss Discussion - Richard Dawkins 2
@Qwapzable
Could you point us to the evidence that the theory of evolution is flawed? It is no doubt published in Nature or Science, being such a huge new discovery, no?
anglicantian 4 months ago in playlist Lawrence Krauss Discussion - Richard Dawkins
@gigisdad Not true. I don't believe in macroevolution because of the sheer improbability of the numbers ...
Fupper16 2 months ago
@Fupper16 There are many things in nature that are counter-intuitive to common sense and probability. But no matter how much so, all that matters is whether such things are supported by evidence. And if it is, what you may believe or disbelieve is irrelevant.
gigisdad 2 months ago
@gigisdad Wow that is so insightful, you must be so wise and intelligent.
Riiye 1 month ago
@Riiye You betcha ;)
gigisdad 1 month ago
@gigisdad ;) ;) ;) ;) :P :P ;) ;)
Riiye 1 month ago
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TheServiceWeb 7 months ago
People say many worlds interpretation is not economical. Who says 'nature' cares about economy?
ibenian 7 months ago
i would like to understand special realtivity at least.but im confused with the train example.if the train goes by velocity of light how on earth could the ligth beam go to the mirror at the ceiling by 90 degree angle. i mean if u sit on the train and train goes by velocity of ligth u cant see ur image from the mirror at the ceiling!! any way if i accept thats true then i understand time duration.but no i cant imagine how can i see the reflection of myself?
esraretin 7 months ago
Always a pleasure meeting fellow idiots.
TomFynn 8 months ago
@TomFynn God Bless your Christian Soul, Brother.
Thephyguy 7 months ago
@Thephyguy Damn. That comment was intended specifically as a reply @BaldLocks, not as a general remark. Sorry about that.
TomFynn 7 months ago
please wht did Krauss say at 6:20?
thcci 8 months ago
God atheists and evolutionists are so arrogant. See God loves me. He created me because he loves me. He loves me so much that one day I will get to be with him forever and ever because I am so special. He even took time out of his busy day watching children being crushed in an earthquake so I could get a parking spot. So uh...what was I saying...OH! Atheists are so arrogant.
torontoBluejays87 9 months ago 2
lol
phodasspa 9 months ago
@torontoBluejays87 And you assert that as fact without any kind of evidence, proof or even plausible hypothesis. How's that for arrogance?
TomFynn 8 months ago
@TomFynn If you couldn't tell, the very obvious sarcasm I was insinuating then there is no hope. Of course what I am really saying is Christians are the most arrogant people on the planet but thanks for ruining the joke.
torontoBluejays87 8 months ago
@torontoBluejays87 Sarcasm and the written word do not mix.
TomFynn 8 months ago
@TomFynn You sir, are an idiot.
BaldLocks 8 months ago
@torontoBluejays87 hahaha, so true (I picked up on the sarcasm pretty easily)
jajmjbylso 8 months ago
Hah, "the theory of gravitation" ^_^
Jorgensager 9 months ago
People don't accept evolution because they know that if they admit that it is true, their God is unnecessary and that we are not as special as we once that.
It's an ego thing.
acherrybalm 9 months ago 4
It's not too surprising that people don't know the difference between amorality and immorality.
theyangist 10 months ago
I love this conversational minimal-moderator format that Dawkins set up. So enjoyable.
ThisSentenceIsFalse 10 months ago 3
Dawkins is so amazingly logical, that he even manages to blow Krauss' mind 0:41.
Nozzle117 10 months ago
People involved in fields of mass media, business and etc usually have worse moral issues at a higher frequency than those in the field of science. Why aren't the mainstream public picking on them instead? Especially the religious faithful who always claimed to be so moral?
alexsolosm 11 months ago
at 0:09 - So he is basically saying that if you tie yourself in a chair and program a machine that gets input the winning lottery numbers....if the input numbers doesn't match your ticket...the machine you are tied in fires the bullet at you ...and if the number match then it doesn't fire the bullet....so the only universe you continue your consciousness in is is the universe where you have won the lottery.
aguuled 11 months ago
I mean this in a good way: Dawkins needs to remember that most people are not at his level of intellect and ability to grasp ideas. When Krauss spoke about the use of the word "theory", Dawkins understood (obviously) but moved on to another point rather too quickly.
LsBaba 11 months ago
If this was a show I would watch it every time it came on.
LambdaQuarks 11 months ago
God didn't create us, we created Him.
MrTim848 11 months ago
Why haven't we started calling it the Principle of Evolution yet?
Skyball88 11 months ago
Yeah some of this is getting hard to follow! I wish I was a genius physicist, but I can barely spell it haha
jackt2469 11 months ago
"I don't believe in Music Theory; It's just a theory!"
BlckSbthMan 1 year ago
Professor Richard Dawkins M.A., D. Phil., Dr. Sc., FRS, FRSL
nordhorny 1 year ago
Not too easy to digest... he could start by speaking at half of that speed...
XaviNL 1 year ago
18 people who disliked this so far are thpetiaaaaaal.
LambdaQuarks 1 year ago
@zasterguava That is funny! I found myself laughing instinctively at Dawkins' remark, "that's very good" before I even realized that I'd read your post. I think the reason it's funny, and this is coming from a Brit living in the US, is that with his little English accent, although we know he's genuine, it still sounds almost patronizing, purely as a result of his accent. Either way, this certainly is enlightening entertainment. I went from American Idol with the wife, to this 'chat' tonight...
jonwalksred 1 year ago 2
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haha I found myself laughing at 3:05 instantly as well; and I do agree it's probably because it sounds rather dismissive; of course we all know RD means no disprespect haha
Joe22c 3 months ago
@Joe22c I will hopefully get to meet him next year, so I should be able to confirm that! My best buddy met him this year and said that he was a great guy in person.
I'd want to drink afternoon tea with Dawkins; beer and whiskey in the pub with Hitchens (formerly); and take hallucinogenics in India whilst meditating with Harris!
jonwalksred 3 months ago
These talks are fabulous! Two great minds. I can't believe anyone would Dislike these fascinating talks.
GodlessMorality 1 year ago
scientific theory of evolution, with the scientific theory of electromagnetism and the scientific theory of quantum mechanics. This is a step in the right direction. It gives me a little more ammunition in the arguments i tend to have with theists. Its about time.. :) thank you so much for uploading this epic 'chat'
frackcha 1 year ago
This is one of the reasons why YouTube is such a fine instrument. Can you imagine this discussion reaching a mainstream audience?
We should all live in such a world. Thank you, YouTube.
jeanclaudevandamme 1 year ago 215
@jeanclaudevandamme Amen! YouTube is absolutely amazing as an educational device: it's a shame that it is commonly thought of as only an excuse to "waste time" watching pointless videos of cats and/or people doing stupid things.
ZachRose88 8 months ago 4
@jeanclaudevandamme very very true. the best parts of youtube isn't the mainstream videos or the tv shows, its the under viewed discussions such as this. If only as many people watched this as much as they watched the top music video.
sniped101 4 months ago
@jeanclaudevandamme What a great point!! Thank you YouTube....and GoogleMaps.....and Wikipedia. Man I feel lucky to have these tools.
SimonJD23 2 months ago
@jeanclaudevandamme are you THE Jean-Claude Van Damme?
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
that microphone looks like a mole on Dawkins' skin. :/
rlinfinity 1 year ago
I hate i live in alabama, the teaching of evolution in this state is relatively, non-existent, though i had it my senior year (2007) in high school, but it was a specialized class about the origins of space, and Earth. Evolution was not mentioned in my biology class. You open the book, and animals are already walking around, and are assumed having been for millenia. Its really a shame.
UtopiaMinor666 1 year ago
@UtopiaMinor666 I live in this shithole as well, it's so sad.
TheFuneralDancer 1 year ago
Yes indeed, evolution is as much of a fact as RD is awesome. With the overwhelming amount of evidence proving it, if you can't see it you must be pretty dimwitted/religious now wouldn't you? :P
Ayanami1000 1 year ago
lol I think Lawrence got it wrong on why physics doesn't suffer the same fate as evolution. Physics helps us win wars, and Americans have no greater passion than waging them.
fireguy15207 1 year ago 3
@fireguy15207 That's for sure. There are a lot of Americans that love to fight and kill people. And especially brown people.
jrwilson98 11 months ago
I'm a third year physics major, Evolution is both a theory and a fact.
A fact is something that can be observed, A theory is the best explanation for that observation.
e.g Newton developed the theory of gravity with his laws of motion, Einstein then developed general relativity to relate mass and space time, these theorys explain the FACT THAT THINGS FALL
evolution is no different, it is our best explanation of the FACT that species evolve over time.
religion should incorporate more science.
blackcraft2 1 year ago
It is good to hear the word "fact" when discussing Evolution. If I have heard the word "theory" being used to defend the delusions of a creationist once, I have heard it a thousand times.
I think the leaps in evolution are due to immense environmental change. We act and react to our environments. Like the bacteria threatened in a Petra dish, it must "adjust" in order to survive.
The human race has evolved enough to know, that now we can actually manipulate our own environment for the better.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
i want to have sex with dawkins's voice....is that odd?
HeywoodJablowem 1 year ago 55
@HeywoodJablowem Nah, completely normal. But I wish Barry White had been a scientist.
MartinsaMadman 1 year ago
@HeywoodJablowem Yes it is odd. Is it an unreasonable desire? Not at all :D
Jotto999 4 months ago
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U mean with his voice box ?? o__O
AtheismGate 4 months ago
Yes Heywood, it is very odd.
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HeywoodJablowem 1 year ago
and even if god is responsible for morality, why the hell did he create so many hundreds of thousands of people without it?!
opensourcethong 1 year ago 6
Morals are hard coded into our genes. The precedence of morals is determined by the environment. Science is now learning how we got our morals and how other animals show moral characteristic. We don't need god for our morals, it's in your genes.
Darkconis 1 year ago
"Yes, yes, that's very good, but..." XD
Bangell99 1 year ago 5
Does Dawkins have a time machine? How does he know for SURE that it is a FACT that we aren't just living in some computer-generated world such that the laws of physics make sense NOW, and SEEM to imply things like evolution and the big bang, but in FACT we're in some kind of computer generated illusion (a la the movie 'The Matrix')? Can he rule that out entirely? If so, I'd like to know how...
TrueHealth27 1 year ago
@TrueHealth27 Capitalizing "fact" doesn't make something more persuasive. The answer is that there is no evidence for it, like a lot of things, so it's silly to operate under the assumption of it being correct until supporting evidence is found. Otherwise it'd make sense for me to refuse to ever cook a pizza because I can't prove that a chupacabra hasn't gotten into my oven. It could be true, & it's an interesting thought experiment, but there's no evidence.
Also, I was at this talk. Riveting.
phrakk 1 year ago
@TrueHealth27 Also, wiki for "Evil Daemon" if you've got an interest in that particular hypothesis and philosophical concept, it really is an interesting thought experiment. And it can certainly help us to better interpret and understand the errors our brains are prone to make in their parsing of information we receive in the world around us. The way our brains naturally miscalculate statistics and how often we actually hallucinate are pretty interesting phenomena.
phrakk 1 year ago
@TrueHealth27
I have ruled out the possibility of you harbouring any intellect whatsoever.
No, not because you questioned Dawkins. You must approach life like a judge of law. You cannot rule everything out, but you can most certainly rule some things in. I actually just made that up myself, so i am at least partially indebted to you for provocating from within me such a gem..
HoneyIEducatedTheWeb 1 year ago
@TrueHealth27
No he can't rule that out completely, the possibility of something like that is always there, but without any evidence to point in that direction there's not much point thinking about it.
supermot34 1 year ago
@TrueHealth27 Simple, it's called the fossil record and genetic markers. And to equate the the laws of physics change would rule out the possibility of your existence. And evolution can be seen to take place now in virus, bacteria, ect. You are making a claim the we are some sort of computer generated illusion. Present your evidence. Otherwise, it's not even worth contemplation.
Darkconis 1 year ago 2
People aren't just confused because they are not used to dealing with large numbers of years, but also because they are not used to dealing with large numbers of individual events, and are not used to dealing with the difference between linear and exponential growth.
Master all 3 and evolution by natural selection suddenly makes perfect sense. Large time and numbers ensures some postive mutations. Exponential growth and large time ensures natural selection.
neoaeonian 1 year ago
i don t think it should be called a fact... it is an idea to explain the facts!
kapa1611 1 year ago
Thomson put it best,"morality is doing what is right despite what you are told, RELIGIOUS MORALITY is doing what you are told despite what you know is right"
luisgarcia28 1 year ago
he hit the nail on the head on that one. evolution, just like gravity is a fact. the theory of evolution, just like the theory of gravty explains how they both work.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
like I've said before, evolution has to be one of the simplest, most intuitive theories in all of science. the fact that anyone CAN'T understand it is what baffles me. I think the problem is, many people refuse to even try to understant it.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
I think we should use a different definition for a "scientific theory".
A scientific hypothesis is only a proposal for a theory which is not yet verified in practice.
A scientific theory is a hypothesis that was already verified in practice and there are no known data that are contradicting it. Thus, a scientific theory it is a factual truth.
48acar19 1 year ago
@48acar19 Just voiceing by agreement with your comment. To differentiate between 'hypothesis' and 'theory' would seem to be the most useful way of approaching the whole 'evolution is a theory' thing.
stoprainingonme 1 year ago
@Majorbakstor they both believe in the same thing they don't hold opposing views at all
123columbo123 1 year ago
It isn't ridiculous , thinking that we really exist IS ridiculous... Think what exist implies.
DraskyVanderhoff 1 year ago
The funny thing is that I can easily imagine a bunch of philosophers discussing whether or not what they see in front of them is actually....a table.
xSilverPhinx 1 year ago
@xSilverPhinx one can indeed get very philosophical about such things. and its true that no human being can actually "see" a table for what it objectively is, since all sense data must be filtered through our sense organs, which are processed by our brain into a model of the table.
mightyafrowhitey 1 year ago
Dawkins is so smart hes growing a second brain out of his cheek.
tsoder123 1 year ago
@tsoder123 - its called a microphone
danjlilley 1 year ago
Take a good look at these two guys. Men like these are the reason you are inside a comfy, sheltered home. Instead of living in a cave. Men like these two are the reason you are able to interact with the population of the world through an electricaly charged plasma screen through the world wide web.
Religion = stagnation and superstition.
SODEMO2007 1 year ago 6
Facts are morally neutral. Belief based on faith has no place in classes based on fact.
Botie2 1 year ago 6
Facts and Fantasy exist and make this world richer because they do exist together.
The trick is knowing which is which. The fist sign of madness is believing your own Bull shit.
petebax1 2 years ago
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dawkins is in love with Darwin, is dawkins gay?
darkfur35 2 years ago
Richard doesn't want to KILL religion. He wants to TORTURE it with a death of a thousand gaping wounds.
If Richard wanted to kill religion he'd jump all over the question of the underlying law of nature. (Google it)
The underlying law of nature makes fairy tales obsolete. It does this when its question is taken seriously, let alone upon identifying what it is, understanding it and finally applying it, which all 7-billion people can easily do, including all future generations.
bando8000 2 years ago 2
Yes but its not Richard who tortures Religion! Its Religious people who torture themselves! (Dawkins actually wants to "save them" from that intellectual torture that is religion)
luarionte 2 years ago
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"I'm an atheist with respect to the Judeo-Christian God, because there is not a shred of EVIDENCE in favor of the Judeo-Christian God."
~ Richard Dawkins
...Dawkins, that's because you have not visited my channel.
Eye2EyeIIIV 2 years ago
I did, it's fucking stupid.
What now?
MultiUniv3rsal 2 years ago
Excellent point of issue beginning at 6:45
ToolsnFire 2 years ago 2
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Science and reasoning are key, no doubt. Both of which underpin 'the attempted murder of God' - A critical book at a critical time, it reveals the secrets of science that comprehensively demolish the theory of Evolution and provides scientific proof for God - a scientific certainty kept hidden from the world that in this critical time in history can now be revealed.
byScrooby 2 years ago
Shut the fuck up.
MultiUniv3rsal 2 years ago
LSD sounds like a good thing for quantum physicists to partake of, lol. All the fractal geometry would likely help them conceptualize the crazy nature of our universe, and the concept of infinity.
sfmike20 2 years ago
hm, In my school we learn't Biology, Physics and Chemistry all at the same time. We didn't Really have a Science Class because everything was specified we had a Biology class not a Science class (ofcourse it is science I'm just showing the point that they were split.). i agree that in school's we learned evolution relatively last but I knew and understood evolution when I was 11 due to the internet :P
TheOneReesy 2 years ago
"The powerful illusion of design, that nobody could fail to notice".
I've never been able to see that. When I look out my window at a tree or a squirrel it doesn't look designed to me. Design is something engineers do. I haven't ever seen an engineer design anything like that.
Why don't evolutionary biologists completely stop using the word design?
677boston 2 years ago 5
hehe, you're not alone in that, Boston, I never understood why some would see design in nature, patterns, yeah, design? no
Sutskoen 2 years ago 4
@677boston Because there is design, however the design is random mutation and natural selection. Yes, it's an unfortunate word when dealing with Creationists, but for anyone from Dawkins background (UK) these folk are vanishingly rare. We burried Darwin in Westminister Abby, and his portrait is on the £10 note.
gamesbok 1 year ago
Who is a joker?
omegavalerius 2 years ago
That's strange, evolution is taught in History where I grew up. There was no mention of it in Biology what so ever. It seems absurd now.
Vamavid 2 years ago
I agree with a lot they are saying in this bit, I always hated just learning facts, I don't think I was ever tought evolution in my school, I was tought genetics though, go figure
SireStefan 2 years ago
What I have never understood about the dual slit experiment is whether the electron's motion should really be detectable without influencing the electron. In the macro world you don't see a rifle bullet react to a high speed flash camera because the photons which bounce off the bullet have no effect on its trajectory. Now is it reasonable that the detectors in the dual slit experiment "should have" had no effect on the electron or its trajectory?
galt57 2 years ago
detectors in the dual-slit experiment do not interefere with the experiment because they exist at the end up the experiment.
they're collecting data off the remnants of the experiment.
they are not following the electrons or seeing where they are at any given point (other than the very end)
if they did that then yes; any form of mid-transit detection system will disrupt an electron (can't really disrupt a photon unless you've got some massive gravity) and cause inaccuracies in data collection
kukulza 2 years ago
I guess that is true if electrons are sent one at a time until the interference pattern is detectable.
galt57 2 years ago
@galt57 thats an incredibly relevant concern, but it illustrates the utter weirdness of quantum. its not that the photons are pushing the electron (Although Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is very important) , its that the very act observing the electron collapses the wave of probability, and so said probability wave can no longer interfere with itself and produce the bizarre results
SmartStuff357 2 years ago
@SmartStuff357 An electron in a hydrogen ground state has an energy of about 12 Ev, and a radius of orbit about 1 Au. To detect it would require a photon of 1Au wavelength however any such electron would have an energy of 1,250Ev. Like using a tank to feel for a lost egg in the long grass.
gamesbok 1 year ago
The problem is, science will never answer where the laws came from or how the universe is here, so all other questions really, are just irrelevant. I don't see the point in anything if at the end of it, we will not learn the big answers.
DLPBurke 2 years ago
That is the appeal of religion -- which gives fraudulent but emotionally satisfying answers to all the people who demand to know the unknowable.
galt57 2 years ago 3
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Religion is worse than science, I agree. Bit science is also not going to be a saviour in the end.
DLPBurke 2 years ago
@DLPBurke hahahahahaha
SmartStuff357 2 years ago
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Question: Why is the kettle boiling?
Atheist answer: Because the water's been heated to 100 degrees centigrade resulting in a change in state from liquid to gas.
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atheistfriends 2 years ago
"Within "HER" vision" I loved that. And no one can dispute it. That's what makes religion so irrational.
ArtOfPhire 2 years ago 83
@ArtOfPhire
My mother *cringes* when I ask her why she refers to God as HIM and why not HER?? it's just so counter-intuitive :-)
pitupraveen 1 year ago
@ArtOfPhire People can dispute it. Those that believe god to be real also know for a fact that within that belief system god is a man because humans are in his image and women are formed from a rib of the first male. I am not religious by the way and you are no correct.
FamiliarDiamond 10 months ago in playlist Lawrence Krauss Discussion - Richard Dawkins
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Some evidence is obvious intellectual stuff such as the the universe itself being created from nothingness, the infinitesimal mathematical probability of the laws of physics being set during the Big Bang to allow life to exist, the life of the historical Jesus as recorded by first century biographers, and the God impulse that's implanted in every human being. The most compelling evidence is the personal connection many Christians have made with God..but that's for us to know and you to find out.
atheistfriends 2 years ago
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Richard Dawkins should watch this!
watch?v=BKmdIdQg3Ks
:D
Eye2EyeIIIV 2 years ago
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"The God Debate" is on my channel.
atheistfriends 2 years ago
I love how the audience is so excitable.
18vallancel 2 years ago 3
I don't believe Evolution is an emperical fact so much as a Logical Necissity. All the components are proven fact, therefore the process must take place.
gamesbok 2 years ago 2
I agree. I find this even more applicable to natural selection. When you compile the fact that organisms in a population have innate differences with the fact that these differences result in different fitness, then natural selection is simply a logical process that must occur.
gotank 2 years ago
"A fear that science is immoral."
The greatest hurdle that science has to clear. Many will not even listen to what science has to offer because they see it as an attack on God/religion. What a shame.
subpoprec 2 years ago
It would be best to teach science in order. At least in high school..........
Math---->Physics----->Chem----->Bioology
I think that it would have been much more interesting to have had an application for the new information I had learned.
amphitrike 2 years ago
Dawkins fools him at 0:43, epic.
Smood47 2 years ago
i want to have a weed smoking session with these two
tommyenglish1 2 years ago 8
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Neither of them are as intelligent as people seem to think.
JackBlair2 2 years ago
they are as intelligent as i think they are
tommyenglish1 2 years ago
And how intelligent is that?
JackBlair2 2 years ago
Intelligence and understanding are two different things.
Just because a person is more intelligent than their teachers in school does not mean they have nothing to learn.
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago
Physics is like poetry.
EnLitenEkorre 2 years ago 2
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He said he was thrilled about what a school board did.
I wish these liberals would quit pestering kids. It's like the left is harboring a latent pedophilia.
JackBlair2 2 years ago
yes..and the right is actually perpetuating pedophilia behind church doors.
exploremagic23 2 years ago
Not like public schools, where pedophilia is RAMPANT.
JackBlair2 2 years ago
Ridiculous claims require ridiculous evidence
do0me0nice 2 years ago 2
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Krauss is thrilled by very inane things.
JackBlair2 2 years ago
If you find the fundamental and incredible workings of the universe inane you simply must be lacking a soul, in the numinous (as opposed to the supernatural) sense!
FeynmanAdmirer 2 years ago
I don't.
Krauss is excited because of what is being taught to school kids. THAT'S inane.
JackBlair2 2 years ago
There's nothing immoral about science but on the other hand there's nothing moral about it. Nor is there any reason to use science to prove/disprove God.
Science is inherently agnostic in the sense that religion is a realm of philosophy or belief and should always remain so. The only thing I dislike about Dawkins is that it seems he believes science can dispell God, when it can't and shouldn't be used that way. It's just as wrong as someone trying to use it to prove God exists.
Jim1905 2 years ago
I believe Dawkins, like most other scientists, would agree to science's agnosticism, but still use science as a tool to rebuke established religions; not disproving theism.
EnLitenEkorre 2 years ago
Check out Jeremy Paxman's interview with Dawkins (it should still be on YouTube somewhere, as that's where I found it).
He pushes Dawkins to concede that, strictly, science is agnostic.
It's a good interview - as always with the mighty "accept no bullshit" Paxman - and worth watching.
Paxman's also a fairly intelligent bloke, as interviewers go, so the discussion is at a nice level, compared to the usual.
KlaxonCow 2 years ago
The Paxman interview was a very interesting one wasn't it.
He doesn't "push" Dawkins to concede that science is agnostic. Dawkins has said similar things many times before.
Science is ever skeptical; regarding not just religion, but everything - even the shape of the earth.
That's the beauty of science.
yukimushu 2 years ago 2
Firstly, morals are a derivative of natural selection.
Secondly I think you've got it flipped.
The majority of things that used to be attributed to a 'god' can now be explained as natural phenomenon via science.
He's promoting education and truth. These things dispel myths and fairytales previously associated with, and attributed to, a god.
Unfortunately people see that as an attack on their beliefs, rather than a learning experience and raising of consciousness.
Skindoggiedog 2 years ago 6