Just because a few cat owners mess up means I should be denied my right to responsibly own a big cat? This would be like telling you that because a few parents abuse their children, you shouldn't be allowed to have childern, either. Animal ownership is one of the oldest traits of mankind, and both man and the animals benefit from this fundamental right. Maybe a cat or dog will do for many, but some of us need a lion or tiger to get the most benefit from this symbiotic relationship.
i know that this is the last thing you want to hear, but owning a mountain lion is a horrid idea. they're cute, but they're not pets! a wild animal will always be a wild animal, regardless of whether or not its raised by humans since birth. I would LOVE to own a wild cat but i know that it never ends well.. Please act in your cat's best interests and find it a home with a sanctuary!
Amalinda06, Isnt sanctuary still a captivity? There is no school on how to be a sanctuary. Where do you think sanctuary owners learned? By doing it themselves. Many dont have a clue anyway, label doesnt matter. There is good and bad in everything: pet, zoo, sanctuary, etc...The difference between us and certain sanctuaries is that we dont lie and we are self sufficient and dont rely on donations and other peoples money, even though some of our big cats and canines are pre owned.
The difference is that sanctuaries are better equipped to care for wild cats. It's not a matter of captivity or freedom, it's whether or not they're being cared for the right way. Whether or not they have large enclosures instead of small cages, appropriate nutrition, and skilled veterinarians that specialize in zoo and wild life.
there IS a difference. I'm really really not trying to bitch you out, because I know you must mean well, but in the end, you're doing harm to the both of you..
Amalinda06, you have no clue how big are enclosures are; fact is they are bigger than most sanctuaries and greedy hypocritical scamstuaries cages.See our BigCatHaven and RexanoExotics channels and get facts BEFORE you spill out your propaganda. Get facts before making judgment and idiotic.There is good and bad in everything: pet owners , zoos and sanctuaries.Most pets are spoiled, and some sanctuaries are hell holes. How many exotic cat owners do you know personally?Do u have facts?
Reptilehaven, I have made every attempt to be polite in my comments, expressing that I'm positive you have the cats' best interests at heart. You are letting yourself become angry and retorting with insults that I do not appreciate. I am not judgemental nor idiotic. I am merely concerned. I have heard too many stories of exotic pet ownership gone wrong, where the animal gets the blame. It makes me despise humans.
You're right. I do not know you, and I have nothing but your video showing a very small cage for your cougar.
As I said before, I'd LOVE to own a wildcat--working with wild life is what i'm STUDYING for. I share your love for these animals completely. And to be honest, I'd rather see them roaming free than in a home OR in a sanctuary. Thanks to humans, that's not possible. I wish you were more receptive to debate, rather than jumping down my throat. I told you i'm not trying to bitch you out.
That said, I will repeat once more that I am merely weary of private ownership. I agree that some sanctuaries are scams, but surely you would also concede that not all of them are like that, and that good ones exist?
I will wish you the best. It would be wonderful to see one of these stories of pet ownership end well--both for your cat, and for you. I mean you no ill.
Amalinda06, most sanctuaries are greedy scamstuaries, they make up animal abuse stories blaming the pet owners,to get more donations,follow the money trail. Good sanctuaries don't lie.You are inexperienced,I have over 20 years exotic animal experience. Your opinion is just that,an opinion based on nothing. Maybe you need to change your major, if you want to do science, you need to start listening to facts and learn to spot / ignore the lies.
If a sanctuary can properly care for a cougar, why can't a private owner? They make wonderful companions, and have a zest for life few other animals have. Cougars are challenging animals, but their husbandry is simple compared to many other animals. This is proven by the number of people who have successfully kept cougars over the years, and have them die happy of old age. You have demonstrated no knowledge or experience on which to base you comments on. Please do some real learning!
Timbalionguy, I will repeat what I have said to ReptileHaven. I would LOVE to own a wildcat--I love wild animals. i'm an animal science major.
But you cannot deny that there are stories of wildcat owners who have suffered ill--and then the cat gets the consequences.
You're right, I cannot judge if ReptileHaven is an irresponsible owner or not, but it's my belief that it's better for wildcats not to be owned at all.
Amalinda06, we have been exotic owners before you were even conceived. By your definition/reasoning, since some kids are abused, we should ban parenting/kids/human conception too, right?
sanctuaries are not all rolling green pastures and love. Many sanctuaries are underfunded and understaffed. The animals of private owners get way more attention and love than any animal at a sanctuary. That's like saying the dog at the pound would prefer that to having a home.
Its not always true that the tortie will be stressed, i have 2 torties and i let the out with cats and kittens, at first they went in their shell but now they play together, they even nibble on the kittens feet and the cat stretches their leg out for more hehe. U shouldn't underestimate torts they are very hardy animals if they wernt they wouldn't live as long as they do. nice vid but yer do keep the kitty on a lead until the tortie is used to it :) just in case:)
I can't believe you own a mountain lion. Where ever you live must have very leinient laws. She is beautiful, but mountain lions eat turtles, and anything else they want.
what a really irresponsible thing to do, you claim to be a responsible reptile keeper, but this to me isnt responsible having a big cat kept in a crate and introducing a another tortoise to the other two and i bet it wasnt quarentiened! letting the cat "play" with the tortoise will stress the tortoise out alot!! which can cause RNS (runny nose syndrome) and lead to pneumonia
yes, the yeallow ones are sometimes called 'blonde. Pellet food is Mazuri (brand) tortoise chow, commercially prepared nutritionally balanced pellets you can feed dry or moistened. No idea if it is sold outside of USA.
Like the video mentioned, tortoise was in new home/household, and it is common for the animals to be insecure in the new surroundings, regardless of the cougar kitten being there or not.
Both were juveniles and still growing in the video. And yes, it is real juvenile Leopard Tortoise and real kitten puma/cougar/mountain lion. Cougars get 70-150 pounds, leopard tortoises can get to 30-40 pounds
That song is this?
AceOlive 1 year ago
@AceOlive pink panther
MrDarkcatify 10 months ago
Yeh the Tortoise is really loving the cougar ! . so much it hid the whole time ! . Bleeding irresponcible and a complete lack of empathy !.
ThePnewsome 1 year ago
is that legal?
rhinogek 2 years ago
Just because a few cat owners mess up means I should be denied my right to responsibly own a big cat? This would be like telling you that because a few parents abuse their children, you shouldn't be allowed to have childern, either. Animal ownership is one of the oldest traits of mankind, and both man and the animals benefit from this fundamental right. Maybe a cat or dog will do for many, but some of us need a lion or tiger to get the most benefit from this symbiotic relationship.
timbalionguy 2 years ago
i know that this is the last thing you want to hear, but owning a mountain lion is a horrid idea. they're cute, but they're not pets! a wild animal will always be a wild animal, regardless of whether or not its raised by humans since birth. I would LOVE to own a wild cat but i know that it never ends well.. Please act in your cat's best interests and find it a home with a sanctuary!
almalinda06 2 years ago
Amalinda06, Isnt sanctuary still a captivity? There is no school on how to be a sanctuary. Where do you think sanctuary owners learned? By doing it themselves. Many dont have a clue anyway, label doesnt matter. There is good and bad in everything: pet, zoo, sanctuary, etc...The difference between us and certain sanctuaries is that we dont lie and we are self sufficient and dont rely on donations and other peoples money, even though some of our big cats and canines are pre owned.
ReptileHaven 2 years ago
The difference is that sanctuaries are better equipped to care for wild cats. It's not a matter of captivity or freedom, it's whether or not they're being cared for the right way. Whether or not they have large enclosures instead of small cages, appropriate nutrition, and skilled veterinarians that specialize in zoo and wild life.
there IS a difference. I'm really really not trying to bitch you out, because I know you must mean well, but in the end, you're doing harm to the both of you..
almalinda06 2 years ago
Amalinda06, you have no clue how big are enclosures are; fact is they are bigger than most sanctuaries and greedy hypocritical scamstuaries cages.See our BigCatHaven and RexanoExotics channels and get facts BEFORE you spill out your propaganda. Get facts before making judgment and idiotic.There is good and bad in everything: pet owners , zoos and sanctuaries.Most pets are spoiled, and some sanctuaries are hell holes. How many exotic cat owners do you know personally?Do u have facts?
ReptileHaven 2 years ago
Reptilehaven, I have made every attempt to be polite in my comments, expressing that I'm positive you have the cats' best interests at heart. You are letting yourself become angry and retorting with insults that I do not appreciate. I am not judgemental nor idiotic. I am merely concerned. I have heard too many stories of exotic pet ownership gone wrong, where the animal gets the blame. It makes me despise humans.
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almalinda06 2 years ago
You're right. I do not know you, and I have nothing but your video showing a very small cage for your cougar.
As I said before, I'd LOVE to own a wildcat--working with wild life is what i'm STUDYING for. I share your love for these animals completely. And to be honest, I'd rather see them roaming free than in a home OR in a sanctuary. Thanks to humans, that's not possible. I wish you were more receptive to debate, rather than jumping down my throat. I told you i'm not trying to bitch you out.
almalinda06 2 years ago
That said, I will repeat once more that I am merely weary of private ownership. I agree that some sanctuaries are scams, but surely you would also concede that not all of them are like that, and that good ones exist?
I will wish you the best. It would be wonderful to see one of these stories of pet ownership end well--both for your cat, and for you. I mean you no ill.
almalinda06 2 years ago
Amalinda06, most sanctuaries are greedy scamstuaries, they make up animal abuse stories blaming the pet owners,to get more donations,follow the money trail. Good sanctuaries don't lie.You are inexperienced,I have over 20 years exotic animal experience. Your opinion is just that,an opinion based on nothing. Maybe you need to change your major, if you want to do science, you need to start listening to facts and learn to spot / ignore the lies.
ReptileHaven 2 years ago
If a sanctuary can properly care for a cougar, why can't a private owner? They make wonderful companions, and have a zest for life few other animals have. Cougars are challenging animals, but their husbandry is simple compared to many other animals. This is proven by the number of people who have successfully kept cougars over the years, and have them die happy of old age. You have demonstrated no knowledge or experience on which to base you comments on. Please do some real learning!
timbalionguy 2 years ago
Timbalionguy, I will repeat what I have said to ReptileHaven. I would LOVE to own a wildcat--I love wild animals. i'm an animal science major.
But you cannot deny that there are stories of wildcat owners who have suffered ill--and then the cat gets the consequences.
You're right, I cannot judge if ReptileHaven is an irresponsible owner or not, but it's my belief that it's better for wildcats not to be owned at all.
almalinda06 2 years ago
Amalinda06, we have been exotic owners before you were even conceived. By your definition/reasoning, since some kids are abused, we should ban parenting/kids/human conception too, right?
ReptileHaven 2 years ago
sanctuaries are not all rolling green pastures and love. Many sanctuaries are underfunded and understaffed. The animals of private owners get way more attention and love than any animal at a sanctuary. That's like saying the dog at the pound would prefer that to having a home.
PSVIDZ08 2 years ago
Its not always true that the tortie will be stressed, i have 2 torties and i let the out with cats and kittens, at first they went in their shell but now they play together, they even nibble on the kittens feet and the cat stretches their leg out for more hehe. U shouldn't underestimate torts they are very hardy animals if they wernt they wouldn't live as long as they do. nice vid but yer do keep the kitty on a lead until the tortie is used to it :) just in case:)
I bet the kitty is big now lol
Challengers8 3 years ago
nicew cougar cat i want 1 :)))
northlondoner1 3 years ago
I like the mountain cat. U seem to really love her and the turtles. thses animals are well loved and cared for.
williamv1974 3 years ago
I can't believe you own a mountain lion. Where ever you live must have very leinient laws. She is beautiful, but mountain lions eat turtles, and anything else they want.
violet2048 3 years ago
that cat could have easily of hurt the tortoise!!
what a really irresponsible thing to do, you claim to be a responsible reptile keeper, but this to me isnt responsible having a big cat kept in a crate and introducing a another tortoise to the other two and i bet it wasnt quarentiened! letting the cat "play" with the tortoise will stress the tortoise out alot!! which can cause RNS (runny nose syndrome) and lead to pneumonia
just think before you act!!!
waysexygerard 3 years ago
what is that you feeding them? some kind of pellets?
two of them are high yellow or something... really cute
paulopinho 3 years ago
yes, the yeallow ones are sometimes called 'blonde. Pellet food is Mazuri (brand) tortoise chow, commercially prepared nutritionally balanced pellets you can feed dry or moistened. No idea if it is sold outside of USA.
ReptileHaven 3 years ago
I have no idea where you have the willpower to keep a big cat in it's cage. If I had one I'm sure it'd be able to walk all over me with that face :(
p00pl0rd 3 years ago
but the tortoise is scared shitless as u can see by it hiding in its shell :|
CCFCAndy121 3 years ago
Like the video mentioned, tortoise was in new home/household, and it is common for the animals to be insecure in the new surroundings, regardless of the cougar kitten being there or not.
ReptileHaven 3 years ago
does anybody know where i can get a mountain lion? any breeders?
nickbagby36 3 years ago
gorgeous tortoises! I have a baby blonde leopard tortoise who is so sweet and friendly. What age are they full grown at?
bellamacchia1 3 years ago
lolZ i really like the "pink Panther Music"--LOLz
pupppydogluv88 3 years ago
=0 is that a REAL leopard?.. How big do they get?.. =P dont mind me if im dumb =P
pupppydogluv88 3 years ago
Both were juveniles and still growing in the video. And yes, it is real juvenile Leopard Tortoise and real kitten puma/cougar/mountain lion. Cougars get 70-150 pounds, leopard tortoises can get to 30-40 pounds
BigCatHaven 3 years ago
so are they really friendly?
pupppydogluv88 3 years ago
Yes, they are all very nice sweet animals.
ReptileHaven 3 years ago
CUTE!! AWE
pupppydogluv88 3 years ago
how old r your leopard tortoises in this vid?we,ve got a 3yr old female leopard?there fantastic creatures eh....
jasebarber 3 years ago
Different ages from 6 to about 10 years old
ReptileHaven 3 years ago
Yeah, the turtle looks really comfortable with this whole situation. Not!!!!!!!!!!!!
yulatrim 3 years ago