HD Starcraft 2 MLG SlayersMMA v IMLosira g4

[Ram3nf0x668]

MMA reminds me of oldschool boxer

[Dastsiri]

Hahahahaha HD you are so good.

[ElementKenji]

remember you heard it from HD dont leave the house without your drugs lol

[HDCybersun]

Terran without Stimpack=Terrans winrate reduced by 25%.

[ProjectXe]

@HDCybersun Zerg without creep = Zergs winrate reduced by 25%. SO WHAT ?

[HDCybersun]

Terran without Stimpack=Terrans winrate reduced by 25%.

[matt72986]

Marines aren't imba Losira just needed some infestors. Fungal growth, now that's imba.

[SelkciPlum]

@matt72986 The infestor buff brought Zerg's winrate to 47% in ZvT up from 40%. SO IMBA GUISE

[phrozen17]

epic game

[DeeRadz04]

haha i never noticed but his first name is alex :P

[gslayer5432]

18:12...lol

[spicychubby16]

i like hearing HD's sudden bursts of excitement.

[InfestedChris]

Wow, Nerf Terran lol haha. GG man

[firststrikeplaya18]

why does MMA drop a supply depot at the base of the enterance?

[georgebirley89]

@firststrikeplaya18 that's just the map design mate, a lot of maps have this so that terran players cannot wall off their base below the ramp.

[blackpaw99]

MMA: Ok hes going muta so I'm going thor cuz he expects me to go medivac  Los: Well hes going marine so lets go baneling MMA: Well now it's time to go medevac because hes going banelings Los: Well hes going MM so lets go muta Predicting isn't these guys's strong point

[TheStulex]

EPIC WIN :D

[789123456789]

remember guys

When HD is Busy, he is casting!

RELEASE THE COMMENTS!

[mithrilmane]

his voice just hit 80dB. ouch.

[reluxor]

Watching these games I came to several (maybe obvious) conclusions :

Even if MMA is REALLY good, I think Terran/Zerg is quite imbalanced

Marines do really too much damages to structures, this should be changed by improving structures armor by one or two

Lashira might buid more ultralisk to rip the marines off. Maybe he was under that much of pressure he never had the time nevertheless...

[justkilledit21]

@reluxor i know where your coming from. But i think the marines are doing too much damage because there are TOO MANY marines lol

[elchinolatino91]

@reluxor no upgrades, no infestors, no victory.

[Dutchie20]

Wow these games are so good to watch.. Thanks HD

[koreastyl3]

@petronius1987

You one racist mother fucker. Just shut the hell up.

[TheAdmiralPancake]

The strangest message I ever got was the following:

Hiya, you COCKasian! Do you pronounce it Brue Frame Herrion like a real Asian?

That was supposed to be insulting, I guess, but it just makes no sense.

[BakaNP]

MMA knows how to real terror a zerg....wow

[fAcAd3]

MMA FTW! BEAUTIFUL TERRAN PLAY!

[fenixssanai2]

Many people in Korea look down on IMLoisra saying he is easy but I have to say.

He is second best zerg in the world according to tastosis

The only reason he got crashed by MMA was that he was so tired.

(Think how much more game he had to play compared to MMA and Losria had to face off oGsMC, the god protoss! and think about PvZ balance!! but he won MC!!!.

That's why he was not good in match vs MMA.

[Cyrax0008]

Though I'm a zerg, MMA ftw.

[RunsFromZombies]

Best series I've seen in awhile.

[JudgementDesu]

from 12 minute point, HD's WPS (words per second) suddenly became 500 XD

[adelsballen]

get some infestors dammit. the zerg had 1500 gas at the end which he could spend on infestors.. 1 fungal get all marines into red!!

[ganthc]

This is where Zerg misses Scourge the most. Drops would be much harder if the Zerg had Scourge to take out the ships.

[kyunghwee]

damn, really liking this MMA's marine drop abuse style games. would like to see TvT & TvP match-up to see how effective he can be going against the other races.

[Honethite]

Spine and Spore would have been great defenses against all those air drops. Why did Losira let himself get spanked like the previous game with all the drops? :(

[patson138]

@Honethite MMA doesn't drop right in front of the mineral line/target, he tends to drop slightly further away.

[timotootje]

all those drones!!!!!!!!!!!!18:10

[PascalSWE]

Great game!

[angelboss12]

apm tab?

[nateyj11]

MMA puts on the pressure like a timeshare salesman, never letting up until you give in.

[CrazzeeAbnormal]

CORPSE GRAVEYARD

[Baquarecords]

Ever seen!!!! Great! !

[tomasceloud]

so good cast....

[iJooobeXx]

I love when everyone thumbs up a spoiler comment?



[Paskovitchz]

Zerg player sucked balls

[DeeJtH3V1rus]

@Paskovitchz The terran player relied on only overpowered marines to win... yeah no he's a GREAT player and the zerg sucks

[ArGeNeration]

@DeeJtH3V1rus he is just trolling every single HD video. well, lets just hope he`ll get killed by a truck : )

[xTEHPHR33Kx]

the following made me lol "its a corpse graveyard" and "the next game is coming up next" lol HD, your redundant sentences ftw

[claireandslash]

A goodness counter for drops is static defences... Spine crawlers outrange marines and do quite a bit of damage to them... A spore crawler will also help deter the drop ships and you can get both crawlers relatively early...

[bonzwah1]

@claireandslash yeah i have to say that i usually see drop play countered by static defense, especially in a series after losing to drop play, i mean they usually go down and have to be replaced but marines attacking a spine takes time spent not killing important structures or drones

[bonzwah1]

idk y, but when i first heard losira i just thought he was a girl, and then i realised that this is prof sc2...

[ZexMerquise]

Zerg needed to go infestors. That's the best counter. He could have 2 at each base burrowed to protect his base. Or just use mutas at each of his base instead of attacking and just build up the rest of his army. Can't stop zerg once they get maxed out.

[bonzwah1]

@ZexMerquise well a maxed out zerg army is arguable the weakest maxed out army so itll usually lose a stand up engagement against maxed out other armies and if that other army can get into the zerg's buisness and engage the zerg's almost instant reinforcement army is pieces they usually win, from what ive seen anyway...if they can re max out then yes, as you said its basically unbeatable, but before then not unstopable.

[randomjoe642]

4:25 haha the Overlord shadow... :)

[ironintel]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SCREAMING FOR U FAGGOT

[Saeedsc]

what an AWESOME game! wow ... wow wow

[exact0707]

this is gunna be devastating, ALL THOSE DRONES AHHHHHH!

[tristancow]

Corpse graveyard. LOL

[camhunt210]

asians are cool

[jessejames192]

Lol I love how everyone in the comments are saying nerf marines... It wasn't that marines are 'op' that won mma the game it was mma's amazing micro he must have been pulling like 250-300 apm at some points

[ALLenROOK]

280 apm a piece and godlike macro, even when i spam i only hit 200, these guys are gods of starcraft, i will never ever reach this level and to understand the extreme level of skill, well lets just say its a plaesure to watch.

[chrissmith338]

Corpse Graveyard? What else do you put in a graveyard?

;p

[ctrunner916]

Nerf!

[OScotinos]

Never leave house without drugs, kids

[SuperBowser]

MMA making Terran sexy again

[daBeetzify]

Perhaps a little nerf is required to marines, like no combat shield or something because they are way too cheap for their midgame and late game power. LosirA should've gone for infestors.

[crabcakes86]

@daBeetzify quit bitching. 

[Strand0410]

@daBeetzify What. You realise the whole point of the combat shield upgrade being added from BW was because of the many of AoE abilities in SC2 that would be able to one-hit marines. The shield allows a marine to take a single hit and then be healed by a medivac. There's nothing OP about marines, the Z could have gone Infestor but chose not to, instead throwing b-lings into tank lines.

[daBeetzify]

Perhaps a little nerf is required to marines, like no combat shield or something because they are way too cheap for their midgame and late game power.

[jramos990]

perhaps a little Nerf to marine's load into medivac speed is in order because I feel like with medivacs its like marines are a flying unit that heals it's self but can't attack air perhaps they should load at max 4 at a time anyone else agree?

[Strand0410]

@jramos990 No, not really. Every unit drop animation is fast, if you take this out, then Z won't be able to b-ling bomb anymore either. The medivac drop is good, yes, but it's the only way for a Terran army to match a Z player's mobility. Plus a medivac + 8 marines is a huge investment and can be sniped. If it's just used to hunt OLs, then Viking would be cheaper and less risky.

[jramos990]

@Strand0410 bane rain is a suicide attack so your not going to be able to evac the banes anyways. I'm not proposing that medivacs be removed from the game just that they load up slower because T can do sooo much damage like you see in this vid and when lings fall back to protect all 8 marines are loaded back into the medivac taking maybe only a few hits if the T's micro is good add all of this with some clever cliff hopping play and marines will always do way to much damage or be cost effective.

[Strand0410]

@jramos990 But every race has an ability to counter this, the reason why hardly any Z goes hydra anymore is because Infestors shut this down. 2 will kill marines, 3 will take the dropship too.

[jramos990]

@Strand0410 there is no sure fire way to counter drops unless you catch them enroute with your air which you ether have to get a terran who doesn't make vikings (so your Ovies live) or you get lucky and find the dropship. And yes Infestor is great against drops but are incredibly slow and if you propose keeping infestors in your base then the terran will just steamroll one of your expos untill you are slowly picked apart. well it is what I would do.

[CianCQ]

@jramos990 People need to keep in mind that drop = a lesser army. Each time the Terran executes one or even two drops at a time he's army is weaker. And some time 16 less marines is everything you need to break open his defenses and win the game.

[jramos990]

@CianCQ that is understood but a 200/200 T army is designed to beat a 200/200 Z army that is just the way it is sure the T is down 2 dropships and 16 Marines but the Z is down the units he left in his base to protect or he isn't if he has them at the front lines and in that case he will have held off the main attack whilst the 2 dropships are ruining the drone line a good Z will pull them away but then the marines will just pick off tech. Short story they are far too cost effective.

[Vantlor]

I swear officer; the drugs are so the banelings dont get me!

[staphinfection]

Wow.... don't the devs watch replays of pro games? I'm not a pro and I can clearly see the imbalance of this shitfest.

Marines = countered by banelings(with speed, pffft)

Tanks = countered by Mutas(and broodlords if you can ever get them)

Banelings = countered by tanks(and marines with stim and decent micro)

Mutas = countered by marines

It's fucking impossible as Zerg to break this tank marine bullshit, unless you have Brood Lords... and guess what, oh Terran can make 2x Vikings at a time...

[silverphoenix48]

@staphinfection

Broodlord + some corrupters to tank + infestor ling with good control can crush marine tank viking

[4everweilun]

@staphinfection omg u r so noob... most other terran players would lost already. Terrans are only good if they position their army at the right place at the right time, which requires insane multitasking and game sense. Plus it was the drop that wins the game

[jokes494]

@staphinfection infestor is the smart choice as A it bomb the tank B fungal marines for banes to connect and do massive damage, C neural parasite out of position tanks infestor roach baneling does very well if microed correctly

[ZhaoYun94]

@staphinfection you do know that zerg can make like 20 mutas at a time with enough larvae -___-'

[staphinfection]

@ZhaoYun94 and they all come from DIFFERENT HATCHES..... so they run into battle 1 at a time and get slaughtered....

And once Marines are upgraded with stim and shields, and all their att + armor, they can completely decimate any sized muta ball.

[ZhaoYun94]

@staphinfection but each hatchery has like 4-6 larvae i believe? and its all about using your units at the right time and place.

[ocnaiBePeP]

MMA = morons making anagrams

[stinkf1st]

MMA is my new hero!

[jshukla423]

and yes there was a spire there... if i saw correctly

[thorvonstein]

MMA = Marine Micro Authority

[skim1994]

"Losira actually making an all out attack down the center, trying to shove his banelings down the throat of MMA"

Guess HD got Destiny's rape analogy for banelings.

[itssomeidiot]

I always thought blue flames were very effective against roaches. I've tested my tourch lighter on roaches in my basement all the time. Could my knowledge of physics and biology be alittle bit off? xD

[K4inan]

@itssomeidiot

lol

[theshoe124]

Lol you made so many speech errors in this cast :). Don't worry about it. You probably were just tired and there was so much going on.

[itssomeidiot]

Are all zergling pairs twins?

[BOSPLL]

NEVER leave the house without drugs!

[psyonic01]

it is hard to execute dropship play like MMA does, period. QQ all you want about how it works, it's still hard to pull off attacking 4 places at once and not wiping all your army.

[Dobleclick]

Amazing multitasking by MMA, I'm baffled...

[plisb]

wtf this is even better than last game :D

[paintballkid454]

How do you open the "workers killed" tab when watching a replay?

[vetiarvind]

ANTISPOILERRRRR!!!!! Grr...Fucking top comment spoil the game. Thumb this up .

[chrisrlamb]

Might have a new favorite with mma. Great job!

[ariskim]

great job keepin up with the action HD

[TheBlastingPower]

@Huevito1234 And what's so creative about mass mutas or mass infestors? You don't even have to worry about not killing your own units or enemy escaping the AOE zone like High Templars do...

Ravens and Ghost should be buffed, they're so rarely seen (especially ravens) because they are just too costly and weak.

Like compare Seeker Missile with Fungal Growth (150 energy, small AOE, slow) or Auto Turret with Infested Terrans (50 energy, quite bulky so you can't just happily spam like IT)

[Huevito1234]

Losira needs some infestor play, and definetly some broodlord action.

Terran so gay... cannot play "creative"? Just mass marine and medivacs with some tanks and gg

[Kayyyleb]

@Huevito1234

Yeah because if we try anything else we lose. Terran only has 1 army option. So don't blame us for using it.

[DragonBladeX]

18:10 - 18:12 is the best part of the whole commentary.

[caleroification]

@DragonBladeX whoALL THOSE COÖRPS xD

[Endless0067]

Losira really needs static defense to deal with the dropships.

[etvaldo85]

Why high lvl players almost never use EMP against protos and spore crawler against dropships?

Seriously, aren't they supose to be high level players? I mean, micro is important, but strategy also is important in a strategy game.

[Hamtaro925]

@etvaldo85 They use EMP a lot. Not just against protoss either. As for the spore crawler versus drop ship thing.... they don't use spores against drop ship because the drop ship can just drop in another location against static defense. After they drop, the marines can just run in with stim. Spores are more for detection and killing things like banshees or mutalisks because they need to physically be there to attack, unlike the drop ship.

[etvaldo85]

@Hamtaro925 You can build more than one spore. And i still think that, players don't use EMP as much as necessary.

[GreatMNFlyer]

That is the problem when leaving the house without drugs...

[nyankeez216]

I would hate to play MMA. Like I would actually punch my computer because there's no way I could keep my eye on all his drops and s$#*

[RyderDonahue]

I got exhausted listening to you cast lol

[maston28]

One word : Infestors. 

[DharanShotya]

stupid fuckheads spoiling and thumbing spoilers up

[4tzahi]

MMA = Marine Multi-tasking Artist !!

[RangerDK21]

Marines and tanks imba :D

[MrKoguchipower]

MMA dropship harras so well!

[brucewillis2]

I heard these players are korean, that flew over for the comp - is that right?

[CharlesOffdensen]

@brucewillis2 Yes, that is right.

[TheJustece]

Now I know why Idra gg'ed when he was winning against MMA.

[Locustfiretree]

I like how a Terran tries to be creative:

"Hmm, Hellion harass... and Thors in my army."

But after that fails

"Ahh F#$% it, I'll just use marines and win."

:D

[taligreen]

@Locustfiretree You know how the oldest and most effective tip when playing terran goes, keep making marines!!

[leoncio91]

@Locustfiretree and zerg... let me guess ling roach muta baling?

[Scrillls]

@leoncio91 Thats a pretty good guess considering that's over 50% of the units zerg can choose from LOL. *banelings are baling

[tropicalthunder232]

@Locustfiretree mass muta is what all lower then diamond players go...and dont deny it noobs

[alexx120289]

@Locustfiretree

ur an idiot

[SFhelper]

@Locustfiretree

hellion harass FE isn't creative at all... that's one of the most common terran openings vs zerg. thors are a good counter to roaches, nothing new.

i'm wondering if you play starcraft?

[4everweilun]

@Locustfiretree like zergs are been creative ling bangs and muta was else its new.

[Xexal]

@Locustfiretree You mad? Sounds like you mad.

[Smampify]

@Locustfiretree Thanks for the spoiler :<

[arunavsharma]

can you put up the top comments of viewers... that wud be awesome. :)

[arunavsharma]

MMA = Multitasking Marines Always

thats my version !!

[TheWinterNights]

It is pretty funny that the more you start to multi task and micro, aka the higher the averaged played level is, the more uselsess zerg units get :>

[TheWinterNights]

Ressources Lost Tab. It is your friend.

[xtechbiz]

Holyshit game man LOL.

[whompho]

Good Game!!

[sneaki602]

It was MMA's brother playing up until 12:00, then suddenly boom blam kaboom Z being attacked at 9000 different spots at once

[DiBaGuy]

Is MMA a robot???

[FestiveVortex]

it came down to the upgrades

[KevinSupportsProp215]

"That's the problem with leaving the house without drugs...", (HD).

[bungerman1000]

why doesn't losira fake with his ground, pull the marines away from the staggered seiged tanks and the take the tanks out with mutas? Then the banlings can run right over them. I suck but that seems to be the basic strat.

[erulluvitar33]

Is there a way to count scvs? Or is it just a good eye? I seem to lose track after 22 or 23.

[cyrilgwyn]

@erulluvitar33 choose all your scvs i guess?

[erulluvitar33]

@cyrilgwyn Hand count em? I wish it was easier ='(

[studman6860]

4:24 Overlord's shadow disappears when he switches to MMA's view...

[KennyD6169]

"Thats what happens when you leave the house without drugs." Best caster quote ever!

[RkoPhen0m]

MMA vs Spanishiwa

[CBlumey]

Don't use His Name in vain.

[NeverGoBackHome]

the calendar updates are excellent. sometimes i forget the day. :)

[Tiaanmt]

setting up siege tanks and shift clicking dropships to several bases at a time is hard..

herpderp

[scruffy032893]

@Tiaanmt yea man i wish i was as good as MMA man his skills are off the charts!

[kingleungm]

MMA is like... all your bases are belong to us

[JasonHaskie]

It's a corpse graveyard! Love ya HD.

[InExcelsis9]

Awesome mass marine medivac with 5 or 6 tanks thrown in haven't seen this before so tired of watching the same shit, the fact that marines are this good is proof the game is imba. Marines with stim are one of the fastest highest dps units in the game and yet they only cost 50 min who would have thought that the best unit in the game would also be the cheapest.

[xravenx24fe]

@InExcelsis9 They're also really weak, especially after stim. You can't just go marines you know...and drops require a LOT of multitasking and skill. I totally agree that marines do a ton of damage, but I'm not a pro, and I think that they're at least fairly balanced on the pro level

[Machizel]

HOLY SHIT MMA.

HOLY SHIT MAN.

[Ghaz3k]

I wish battlecruisers were more common in games... so fun to watch. Carriers too

[terryjlew]

I'm pretty sure MMA means: Marine Medivac Annihilation.

[citiroccer]

"this is gonna be devastating, AND ALL THOSE DRONES!?!?"LOL damn HD can make a game so exiting to watch