Reply To Daily Kos Article On Secession

[BrickSykes]

This video is depressing mainly because it displays what the lack of education can do to someone who could otherwise be a good citizen. The 'education' this person has gathered has obviously come from another jaded secessionist. I don't know what kind of 'history' this guy has been exposed to but it is clear that he has no appreciation for social evolution and the gathering together of like minded humans to form a society. This guy would starve to death without a 'government'!

[RedShirtArmy]

@BrickSykes, I'm sorry that you have accepted the bogus propaganda of the state. What is the state? The state is a territorial monopoly of violence. That's the standard definition. Why is this necessary? It's not. I would ask you to read some Murray Rothbard or Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Since the modern state was born what have we gotten? World wars, run-away inflation, central banking, etc. Hundreds of millions of people have already been killed by the state. This is simply not necessary.

[jakeblack1982]

ha man and the Country I sever is Georgia,I'm no trader Georgia is my Country if you start a war with my Country I will fight you.The Federal Government is not my Country I"m a citizen of only one god bless Georgia and her Southern people that was born and raised here but all others that are here are Illegal immigrants that means all carpet bagging Yankees get out plz and take your Obama ways out of my country

[sandro28grizz]

And another thing I'd like to ask you - why do you act as if the civil war was an act of imperialism against the south? I am not going to spout the usual "slavery" point, I'll let you guys find your own time to be ashamed of that.

But the fact of the matter is that you guys were originally part of the US, and were so for another 80 years before the USA became an "imperial" entity. And since the 1950s, when US imperialism began, you have been thick in the middle of it.

[RedShirtArmy]

My State (SC) was a free republic that joined the US under certain conditions (the US Const.). When that contract was broken we left their Union. And the Feds invaded us & killed 21 K S. Carolinians to force us into being part of their regime. That was imperialism. It had little to do w/ slavery, though you'll certainly find no defender of slavery here.

You're right, many Southrons support the US in its imperialist wars. I find that sad. We should totally oppose this gov't and its wars.

[sandro28grizz]

Actually, heres two more amendments

I think should be added.

1. A balanced budget must be kept at all times.

2. The US government in does not, in any way, shape or form, have any right to intervene in the affairs of foreign governments or civil movements.

[sandro28grizz]

I'd like to propose two new amendments -

1. Everyone has the right to marry whomever they wish, but those who are lawfully allowed to perform marriages must agree to it beforehand.

2. All laws banning substances that are typically used as recreational drugs are outlawed.

And one more thing, the 16th amendment should be abolished outright.

[RedShirtArmy]

@sandro28grizz, Marriage historically has been a religious issue and institution, not an issue of gov't. I would just make it so again. Get the gov't out of marriage and let individual churches decide whom they will and won't marry. Then, if you disagree with their policy, just join a different church. As for substances, no gov't has the right to tell people what they can and can not put in their bodies. Period. That's a private matter and a basic principle of liberty.

Would you agree?

[sandro28grizz]

@RedShirtArmy

Yes, but marriage is also very much a law issue now. And the issue of gay-marriage is incredibly complex. On the one hand, you are denying equal rights to a segment of the population if you outright ban them from marrying. On the other hand, you are forcing a certain segment of the population to accept something that they believe to be unnatural. So yes, I think you and I are in complete agreement on the gay-marriage issue.

[RedShirtArmy]

@sandro28grizz, That's why it should not be a government issue. If we get gov't out of the picture when it comes to marriage the contraversy would basically be over. Let each church decide their own pollicy on the matter.

[sandro28grizz]

@RedShirtArmy

It's not only up to the churches. You can get married in a state courthouse as well. No one expects the churches to marry gays. But a state courthouse can do as it pleases, and that is specifically outlined in the 10th amendment.

[RedShirtArmy]

@sandro28grizz, Yes, I'm just speaking about principle. In principle marriage shouldn't be a government issue at all - on the State, Federal or local level. It should be a church issue. That's the way it was until basically the early 1800's. I want it to be that way again, thus eliminating the fight in courts over who can marry who under the law. We could completely eliminate that contraversy by just getting the government out of the picture.

[sandro28grizz]

@RedShirtArmy

I doubt the controversy would disappear if government were reduced to a worm, the churches would still make a stink over it. The churches have a right to their opinion, yet they pay no taxes. The homos at least pay taxes like the rest of us. The church collects money from its patrons without having to pay a dime to the shithead government. Fuck the state, and fuck the church.

[sandro28grizz]

@RedShirtArmy

As far as substances are concerned, yes, we're also in agreement here. If Joe Blow wants to sniff cocaine all day, it's his body, his right. His wife will get on him eventually for it. What we have now is no different from prohibition, and criminalizing drug use creates criminals out of harmless people.

[sandro28grizz]

I agree with alot of what you have to say, yet the one thing that I can't agree with on is the complete deregulation of the free-market. Labor unions (which most conservatives detest) originally formed because of the disgusting way they were being treated by their employers, and so if complete deregulation were to occur, we would be trading one form of tyranny for another. Workers would be at the mercy of their employers, which could also serve to invite monopolies back into society.

[RedShirtArmy]

@sandro28grizz, as long as the union is voluntary and does not engage in legal or physical violence then I'm fine with it. However, it has to behave morally. And I'm not aware of any union today that does. Even the ones that reject physical violence advocate legal violence. As for monopolies, in a free market there is never a real monopoly. Only with the help of government can a true monopoly rule.

[sandro28grizz]

But a monopoly has not existed in the US since the 1920s. Cronyism is the problem, not government. Government are guilty of a great many things, but they got it right with monopolies.

As far as unions behaving immorally is concerned, you are right - it is a problem. However, immorality on the part of employers and executives is why workers felt the need to unionize in the first place. We keep them in business, so we deserve our say.

[RedShirtArmy]

@sandro28grizz, In a free market no company is ever safe. If they stop providing a service folks want they will go under. So there really is no monopoly in a free market. A company may temporarily dominate on part of the market, but as they grow there are trends working against them (their size and bureaucracy become a cost). Smaller companies will rise up and challenge them.

[sandro28grizz]

@RedShirtArmy

But in a totally free market, there is no regulation on what employers are required to pay their workers. All a company would have to do is low-ball their workers more than the next guy, and they would make a profit. An unregulated free market would also allow a seller to manipulate prices according to his customer base. It's still cronyism - profits would be made based on who you know.

Libertarianism has a much different meaning outside the US. Check it out.

[RedShirtArmy]

You're right that there is no regulation. Whish is good. It means full employment and competition. This is not cronyism. What we have today is cronyism. We have gov't manipulated markets, gov't-created crisis, gov't-created unemployment, etc. If you study ecnomics a bit more you'll understand this. I recommend reading Mises to begin with. From there you might try Rothbard.

[sandro28grizz]

@RedShirtArmy

I agree that Wall Street and bank bailouts are cronyism. I also believe that unrestrained free-marketism, like what we had in the 20s, was also cronyism. And both have produced economic depressions. Neither system is stable over the long haul. Our dollar has remained dominant precisely BECAUSE of our foreign entanglements - if we had a sane government, we'd be poorer than Russia. We consume much more than we produce, so how far can capitalism take us?

[wizardbrandon1]

They're in Antarctica too.

[jfranklins]

God bless you, keep up the good work.

[galoon]

I don't like this tax either, but if SC were to secede, the Federal funds used for schools, highways, farm subsidies,health care, unemployment,veterans' benefits, etc. would instantly disappear. SC would also have to provide for its own military forces. Because of all this, we would see our state income tax and property taxes skyrocket. That's a big chunk of money for 3.5 mill. people to absorb. And with an average income of less than $40k per person, that's gonna hurt.

[steve0281]

Do a comparison with Costa Rica. Look how much it spends on defense and how large their army is and how much they pay in taxes, et al. Then also compare with Canada. SC independence does not guarantee enimity with the US. It just means SC independence.

[meetman3]

God bless the great state of South Carolina!!

[Luigi84289]

doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Look at denmark, belgium or the nethernlands. As long as you have a local community of people those people will do whatever it takes to survive. SC and Virginia functioned for hundreds of years as their own countries.

[FreakishDonQuixote]

lol you twat

[harley19770]

Our day for freedom from the evil feds is in site.DEO VINDICE.God bless our south

[Rodney5516]

A Good Video & Great Information for people that don't know much about the South ! Once again, Great Job !

[magictricks3]

~I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it.~ Jefferson Davis

[GaGirlie777]

Urgent video... please watch and spread

/watch?v=BiLVSiAK6eA

[medpot4us]

Well said, Palmetto Patriot!

"If any State in the Union will declare that it prefers separation" over "Union," "I have no hesitation in saying, 'let us separate.'" -Thomas Jefferson

[KhmerD0g]

good vid.

[axishans]

I concur. The last legitimately elected American President was Jefferson Davis--we have lived under occupation ever since. The Fathers had no intention of forcing any State into acceptance of the union--It's uncle scam not uncle sam! Semper Vigilans.

[str33twarrior22]

I have one thing to say, if any of the southern states did secede, this country, the United States of America, would fall apart. That would be a sad day for our country, and it would be completely against what the founding fathers envisioned. If you don't like the government, then work to change it.

[SouthernPatriot86]

Great video, people often forget that the United States of America are just that- united, but sovereign, states. Also mentioned in that article was "an Constitutional amendment legalizing secession". This troubled me, because I am of the belief that secession, and thereby self-determination, is above any law written by man.  Deo Vindice

[KDLEE1861]

Good job Michael. The Founding Fathers were all die-hard secessionists. Jefferson states "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." A proper government is one that resembles the belief of its people. The government in DC is anti Christian, pro murder, pro theft, pro deviance, in general.

[FreeDixie09]

I hate political parties too cause they only cause problems and rarely get shit done. Anti-Southners always seem to think i am a replublican for some odd reason when i don't support any party. You brought up alot of thangs up that i wanted to and i thank you Palmetto Patriot.

[Luigi84289]

All current parties are Huge Government so southerners are naturally opposed. Northerners just don't get it. The specturm doesn't go from liberal to conservative it goes from small government to big govenrment. Liberals and Conservatives are both on the big govnerment side. Ron Paul is the only southern voice in congress. He's the only one for small responsible constitutional govnerment.

[CelticSouthland]

The Federal Government was created by the States to serve the needs of the States, in regards to mutual protection of those States (Independent Nations).

The Washington Government no longer serves the purpose for which it was created, and now demands that we should serve it, rather than to be served by it, as was clearly intended.

The Federal Beast is rabid, and must be put down!

Deo Vindice!

[magictricks3]

Well said as usual!  Deo Vindice!

[mcc11505]

Good Points~!

[bigbillhaywood]

Is there any fund out there that encourages southern secession? I would LOVE to contribute to it.

[RedShirtArmy]

You could contribute to the League of the South. They are a secessionist organisation.

[eki1501]

Secede, secede, secede,secede, PLEASE secede!!!!

[CapnConfederacy]

Far be it from most people to veer away from the two party system. It's like they don't have the vision to see that there's way more out there. And with all the raping, murdering and pillaging the yankees did, it's no wonder they have a football team called the Vikings. Ha!

[bigbillhaywood]

A bunch of non-productive, lazy southerners expressing their hatred of America. Go ahead. Secede. Stop holding America back with your far-right idiocies.

There's never been anything in the American south but red clay and ignorance.

[CapnConfederacy]

Now if only all the other yankees would say that and leave us alone. Southerners are the only people who care what America is REALLY about. And well, in response...there's never really been anything good outside the south. In fact...just like in my own house, I'm gonna have to ask ya'll to leave.

[Luigi84289]

Left and right are a delusion. There's only small government and big government. Left and Right are differnet takes on strong nationalized government. We don't support either the "left" or the "right" only smaller constitutional government. Go watch Ron Paul you might learn something. The north is starting to get it now too.

[bigjames88]

Great video Brother, Deo Vindice from North Carolina.

-James

[asperin]

Agree with everything, except the God gave me rights thing.

If God gave you rights you should be able to see them now.

Men creates rights according to his morals modified through many years of evolution.

[RedShirtArmy]

I was tying to make a distinction between positive law and Natural Law. If you are religious you likely say 'God-given' and if you're not you likely say 'Natural' -- however they mean the same. It's a reference to the rights that comes from your humanity.

[vmpslr2]

cool video

[DizzaTheDon]

Nice vid bro.

[Luigi84289]

great vid. That article is just a terribly written pack of lies man. Completely agree with ya on secession. Very pro here to.

[msgtsd]

Great video bro. You're not alone.

[oldhacks]

I can't stand daily kos. they do nothing but lick democrat elitist boots. its completely meaningless drivel that amounts to nothing but a circle jerk of so called liberals supporting an organization that does nothing for them beyond tell them what they want to hear. Which they've trained them to Want in the first place. this country needs help.

good post man.

[GaGirlie777]

I hear ya completely. I have identical views. Was at a rally in Suwanee Georgia tonight which was a protest against the raising of property taxes. One speaker said revolution. I felt like yelling out "secession".

Anyway, the Daily Kos and other leftist are shaking in their boot straps that we may secede. Therefore, they must slam it. If they are reporting it, then "the subject is really out there". That's a good thing.

If find folks like you neither left nor right are logical.

[diezungen]

Please secede...ALL you southerners....then the republican party couldn't elect a dog-catcher....and the United States could use the southern states for cheap labor.

Again...PLEASE secede!!!!!

[GaGirlie777]

So you are responding to me?  The South would be prosperous on its own. If you live in the North and we secede, you'd be the one looking for a job. Not us.

[diezungen]

So gagirlie....you are unaware that the southern conservative states are subsidized by the northern liberal states?

Go ahead...look it up.....the southern states as a whole receive more money from the federal government than they pay in taxes....a simple fact.

Go ahead....secede...America could be America again and the south could live in joyous squalor minus their federal subsidies..

[GaGirlie777]

I have heard that many in South would not want to give up the gravy train. Feds use that to create a crutch so people need it. It's much like welfare. Take it away and we all would be forced to pull ourselves up. We would survive and be prosperous.

[diezungen]

Of course it is welfare....the more productive liberal states subsidize the living standards of the less productive southern states.

so if you want to be taken seriously, jump off the gravy train BEFORE you mouth off to those who are pulling your weight for you.

[RedShirtArmy]

Actually, it's the Feds' system. We tried to be free from it in the 1860's and were invaded and forced back under it so you can't really complain. WIthout Northern imperialism you wouldn't have to pay anything to us. As well, it was the Feds' war and occupation and continual exploitation that made the formerly rich South very poor. Finally, if the Feds would give up their imperialism today they could reduce their spending they would have tons more money. But they insist on empire.

[overmind25]

Besides the God given rights part and states right I completely agree. 5 stars.

[oldhacks]

that's because you're a satanic anarchist.

[RiverBirch1967]

Did you hear about the fellow in PA who is having the govt take his land in order to put up a monument to the Flight 93 victims? It has been in his land for generations. And they are taking it. That is wrong.

[RedShirtArmy]

Well, nothing the Feds do is good so this doesn't surprise me. They steal from people every hour of every day - that is, when they aren't torturing or killing people. They really disgust me to no end.

[1stLtDavis]

It was the constitution that gave them the power to sit up on capitol hill and pass such laws. We should therefore make them really think twice before exercising said power.

[803honda]

some would argue the democrats are the worse evil but i dont agree cause at least they got the decency to tell you how theyre gonna **** you up front as apposed to the neo-con which lies to his own self on a regular basis.

[RedShirtArmy]

lol... !

[oldhacks]

"politicians can tell you to go to hell and make you look forward to the trip" - Mike Gravel

[defenderoFreedom]

you are absolutely right! Well said!!

Again, It's nice to see someone who is actually educated on this country. And I can tell you love your country (South Carolina that is :-)

Sic Semper Tyrannis

[RedShirtArmy]

I appreciate it very much. Take care and stay strong, DOF.

[elliotcheely]

excellent.

*****

[TheSouthernGentleman]

Love the beard man, nice look.

[RedShirtArmy]

Thanks but that's just me being lazy. lol

[1stLtDavis]

That being, to actually be able to override the governor's (now more or less president's) line-item-veto decisions?

[RedShirtArmy]

Well, that would be up to each State to decide. If a new Confederation were formed it would be up to the people of the several States involved to decide. Personally, I'm against all taxation so there would be very little to veto. lol

[1stLtDavis]

I agree with 803honda. Well, without taxation you can't have a working government. Even the C.S.A. constitution contained a "necessary and proper" clause. Largely for the purpose of being able to levy taxes from all those States (as long as they were willing members of the Confederation of course) So, are you talkin about reinstating another 1860s style Confederacy or just no government at all? I always thought you wanted a repeat of '76 and '61, right?

[RedShirtArmy]

Taking money from people without their consent it theft. Doesn't matter if it's the mafia or 'the government' that is doing it. That's why I'm against taxation. The original US Constitution had about a 1% tariff on imports and no income, sales or any other type of tax. I could live with a 1% tax, I suppose. But really, I don't want an active government. Jefferson said 'That gov't is best which governs least.' I agree with him. Most of what they do now can be replaced with free market approaches.

[RedShirtArmy]

For example, oringally we had militias and not a massive standing army. Now the Feds have half of the entire planet's military budget. And we are less safe. Originally schools were private and church run. Now the gov't runs nearly all education. And kids are dumber than ever. You see where I'm getting? Virtually nothing they do today benefits us. It's just an excuse to loot and control us.

[Joseph565112]

I think Davis here is otherwise just trying to find an alternate route than secession, just my thinking.

[1stLtDavis]

Oh I understand and it's true that the need for more taxes has, at least in part, increased due to more empire like activity. Education, that is one thing that you can blame largely on the States, it does warrant a Federal Department but public education is largely run by each State; the FEDs just doll out cash to the States each year for it. The Constitution is great, we should be asking for the Congress to justify their taxes that have been implemented though.

[RedShirtArmy]

I disagree tht there should be a Federal Dept of Education. Even Reagan (as bad as he was) was against that. And all our ancesters were as well. Education is a private concern. It was forced on the Southern States by the conquering Feds after the war. Before that it was left to the individual, as it should be. As well, there should be no almost no Departments in general. In my opinion the Constitution is not great. It was better than what we have today but it was a compromise.

[RedShirtArmy]

Patrick Henry opposed the Constitution. He favoured the much more pro-liberty Articles of Confederation. Me too. However, all that was in the past. Looking forward, we need basically no government in our lives. The role of gov't is just to maintain the peace and enforce property rights, in my opinion. Free people can do the rest.

[Joseph565112]

The 1860s Confederates even stayed far away from another Articles of Confederation style government for it's (at least then) impracticle and narrowly dangerous implications.

[Luigi84289]

I agree here too. The government is our servant not the other way around. The people should always be able to oppose any illegal thing it does. This limitless government everyone buys into now is a fallacy. Without control all government eventually destroys itself. Unlimited selfishness always leads to self destruction. And that's really what our government has become a haven for the controlling completely selfish elite. It's just one big nest of evil.

[Joseph565112]

Well, the Articles of Confederation meant that the States were Nation States, so it is really not comparable to the U.S. Constitution which does establish (through Constitutional Represenative Democracy) a hierarchy of power, beyond the State legislature. I feel strongly the only reason this happened was because, at the time, the States could not and were not taking care of themselves. The Confederation of '81 was not to endure due to functional issues.

[RedShirtArmy]

I disagree. There was nothing wrong with the Articles of Confederation gov't. The only problem was that a bunch of imperialists like Hamilton and the Federalists wanted more control. The good guys opposed the new Constitution. I agree that the CSA constitution was far from the Articles, sadly. The Confederates shot themselves in the foot with some of their crazy policies regarding tariffs and taxes and such. That constitution too was a poor compromise. Better than today but not great.

[RedShirtArmy]

If SC were free and there was the choice of joining a true confederation of sovereign States - fine. However, if the choice were to join a federation of semi-sovereign States I would be strongly for just staying a free State outside of that.

[Joseph565112]

Well, the largest reason the Articles parished is because of the States. They incurred astronomical debt from the fighting the British and needed to obviously pay at least some of it off. The States refused to provide money to the weak central government established by the Articles and even refused to pay off their own individual State debt. Not to mention paying it off State by State was near impossible, it would simply have taken too long for the currency to bounce back.

[RedShirtArmy]

Well, currency is a problem in itself. I would be against a currency. I would favour real money - gold and silver - and would not have government involved in it at all.

[Joseph565112]

I am with ya, I don't like any kind of "reserve note" especially when I will never be allowed to view the "reserve" Think about that, the FEDs take your gold and other precious metals and give you paper or linen, whatever it is actually made of.

[RedShirtArmy]

Absolutely. I am totally against paper notes from the government. They can always just print more. We need real money, not worthless substitutes.

[1stLtDavis]

Don't you both see, the only reason the weak central government under the Articles started printing paper currency is because the States nor the people themselves were going to pay off any debt. It is our ancestors fault. They wanted to fight British troops but apparently not pay for it monetarily. That is the sad thing about war, you pay in "blood and treasure" Apparently most citizens nor State governments recognized that fact. The Article's capitulation was going to happen.

[RedShirtArmy]

There should not have been any debt to begin with. Government debt is stealing from the people. That shouldn't be permitted. I agree it was a hard time, but more centralisation and less liberty is never the answer. More paper is never the answer. Government is never the answer.

[1stLtDavis]

Well, we didn't owe that weak government under the Articles anything. We owed business owners here, as well as, other nations that helped i.e. the French. Who undoubtedly were in it to rob us of all they could...XYZ Affair anyone... However, never the less, we, as in we the people owed others money. The people were not paying it. Therefore the weak FEDs of that day began printing more and more paper money; led to inflation etc etc. It is the people's fault.

[RedShirtArmy]

Who is 'We'? You mean the governments. Hamilton and his ilk encouraged this borrowing to tie people to the central government - he openly admitted this. The average person didn't have debt - the government did. Read about how Bejamin Franklin encouraged this (because he personally benefited from it by printing paper) and how Henry and the patriots opposed it because they knew it was centralisation and a loss of liberty.

[1stLtDavis]

No, we the citizens of the several States. We sent represenatives to other nations like France and got assistance and support. It cost us, the citizens, the people dear. The French and others that we owed so much to wouldn't have cared if it was Adolf Hitler or in fact Washington and Franklin etc that they were dealing with. The fact is the States borrowed and asked for help, and they got it. However, it wasn't free. Then when it came time to pay, virtually no citizen would.

[RedShirtArmy]

The government is not 'we'. The government is the group that exploits us, generally speaking. Same back then. The Federalists proposed debt, centralisation, wars and expasion -- the opposite of liberty. They wanted a British imperial system without the British. Henry, Jefferson and some others opposed them but unfortunately lost in the long run thanks to continual compromises.

[RedShirtArmy]

I highly recommend reading 'Concevied in Liberty' by Murray Rothbard. He goes thru the entire affair from a pro-liberty point of view. It's terrific and it's available for free as an audio book on Mises. org

[Luigi84289]

"Government is never the answer"

completely agree. It's just ashame we americans are all brainwashed into thinking unionized governmental monopolies actually benefit society. it's like the old saying goes, "ignorance is bliss".

[Luigi84289]

read franklin paper money was common back then all over. I agree with Red holding actual gold makes it hard for the feds to devalue your money. They'd have to actuallly come and physically take it which wouldn't be looked at too kindly by the people.

[RedShirtArmy]

Franklin was in general an enemy of liberty. He and his family had a monopoly on printing worthless paper currency, which he used to enrich himself, his family and friends at the expense of the people. I'm certainly not a fan of Franklin. He wasn't a Classical Liberal or even a strong pro-liberty advocate like Jefferson, Henry, Sam Adams and the Anti-Federalists.

[Luigi84289]

I agree. Just pointing out that it was happening before the current fed was created. Don't think the guy I was responding to knew.

[RedShirtArmy]

Ah cool. Sorry.

[Luigi84289]

it's okay I posted alot of messages at once to multiple posts. Forgot the channel owner sees them all. Should've specified.

[Joseph565112]

They take your dollars too, like RedShirt will tell you; through taxes. Well, the fact is the States were not paying back their mutually incurred debts. This in part led to the Annapolis Convention ie the Constitutional Convention and thus a stronger federal government that could actually impose substantial taxation. It was largely the States fault for not being responsible to their own debt.

[Luigi84289]

Completely agree here. When the education is nationalized you get the educaton the feds want you to get. There standard is low because they want sheep who blindly follow them thus all the south = racism bullshit. If you want a real educatoin you have to be rich. The feds even have control of the community colleges over here. Getting in to a fed free school is difficult and expensive. I've had to spend years of my life just learning my own state's history outside of school.

[1stLtDavis]

Great vid. I got a question though, if the State left the FEDs high and dry how would we fix current legislation procedures that many States embrace? Procedures that would and do enable the legislature and especially the governor to facilitate almost dictorial control over the legislation process?

[RedShirtArmy]

Certainly there are many problems with our State and local gov'ts. Better to have a local dicatator than a dicatator of hundreds of millions though. Competition would likely produce better local gov'ts as people left bad ones. As well, with the Feds out of the way, there'd be more importance placed on local and State gov'ts to perform. Even in the worse case scenarios, it's better to have a local bad guy who everyone knows - and who can more easily be paid a visit, if you get my drift. lol

[1stLtDavis]

Oh, well yes I understand that, and I wasn't saying we have those problems in our States so much now or even if secession occured. What I meant though was, for example, the Line-Item-Veto that most governors are afforded? No U.S. president has had one because it allows for too much executive control over legislation, at the State level they can't readily be overridden either. Now President Davis did have the line-item-veto but would our States do what the Confederate Constitution did?....

[LookBetter4Ever]

good job

[ljrahn]

I don't get it. If the South were to secede it would create a permanent left-wing majority in the remaining United States. Then all these nutjobs can pass whatever laws they want without the South holding them back. They can disarm law-abiding citizens, give amnesty to illegals, nationalize every corporation, etc. You would think the DailyKos would support secession and would be happy to see us go.

The empire is crashing and the South needs to get out while it can.

[RedShirtArmy]

Good points. I don't get them either, except that they are in the end control freaks. They think they know how to run our lives for us better than we do.

[theallmightychad]

Well.....first I'd like to say I agree with a majority of what you said, it was well spoken and thought out. And Second, I myself am a Texas resident and agree that Governor Rick Perry is nothing more than a shill, just saying what he thinks is popular, just to get approval, and to appear as if he were on liberty's side. Nothing is more false, when he himself mandated and imposed a sin tax on the people of this state.

[Mrmikeshelton]

Yeah, "Slick Rick" is a typical politician. He was just jumping on the secessionist bandwagon, since he's up for reelection. He's trying to distance himself from Kay Bailey Hutchison, because he knows she's a serious threat to the Rep. nomination.

[GENERALFREEDOM2009]

As always Palmetto, you hit the nail on the head. DEO VINDICE Brother!

[RedShirtArmy]

Appreciate it kindly.

[ThunderSooner2835]

Amen. More like Democrips and Republibloods. The two-party system destroyed America.

[ApocalypticFervor]

Right On!

[RedShirtArmy]

Thanks man.

[RedShirtArmy]

Hope y'all enjoy this short response to the anti-liberty and anti-secessionist article from the Daily Kos.