Yeah...encourange and enable violence and a violent mentality to increase rates of writing. How STUPID! Regulate media and games so that kids don't grow up to be complete numbskulls. Implement programs to encourage morality. Change the culture to promote the family unit. The time for free-running media has to end as it only caters to the basest of human instinct. Goddamnit I'm tired of being addicted to things
We're based in the UK and are hoping to encourage learning through the use of gamification. this will manifest itself by using game mechanics to help influence users into improving their learning. We'd love to speak to like minded people who are into learning games
Boys do not have their own culture, and they are different. Children do not tend to be nothing; their parents have the influence here. The statistics 100 girls is bs; if teachers tend to expel more boys from school how come this is a boys issue. Western societies have bias towards boys especially the American one. ADHD is invented to bring profits to pharmaceutics corporations.
@DrNikol2007 Actually Kids get more information/influence from the internet than their parents. A 8/10 year old child has absorbed more information and has access to more information than many of their grandparents did at their age or entire lifetimes.
they can find other things to do. video games don't belong in school. school is for learning, not simulating games where people shoot others and steal cars.
what the fuck is going on? nobody is driving boys away from school. they simply don't belong there.
schools don't need to adapt in order to facilitate boys' inability to focus and obsession with violence in video games. boys need to change in order to learn and attend school. and the ones that can't do that shouldn't be in school. they need jobs. end of story.
When someone says we live in a "feminine culture", they're probably just mad that men have to share the power with women now. They think men should be allowed to rape their wives, etc.
Not sure that she has it entierly right here. Video games in some respect are escapism, they are a failure to live life in the real world. You make something for boys in the real world, and they will want to live there again.
@christophedetiege I agree with you. I understand concepts literally days before my class mates and just spend class thinking of video games concepts. WHen I go home I just turn on my Xbox bc I finished all my lame homework in school
". . .Even the simple act of playing has been taken away children. . . When does a kid ever get sit in the yard with a stick anymore. Do today's kids even know what a stick is? But a kid should not be wasting his time with a stick anyway. . he should be studying for his kindergarten entrance exams. The poor little fuck. Isn't this a sophisticated form of child abuse?" - George Carlin
I was kind of thinking it was a cultural difference too - boys are treated with less empathy than girls. Boys are told to suck it up and girls learn talk about it. Girls learn empathic listening and put it into practice earlier on than boys do, simply because they're girls. I can't help but think this too affects how minds are formed, because I think emotion gives logic the grounds on which to stand. I'm probably wrong.
Even though I get good grades, my complete hate for school is kind of annoying. I increases procrastination time so much even when I'm interested. If future guys can have a better school experience, I am all for it.
hahaha i left elementary school thinking that and i left highschool thinking kinda the same thing. only in university are they treating us like free ppl.
The problem with schools is that the majority of teachers are women with a marxist mindset that see white masculinity as a threat. And not only teachers: the majority of women have adopted this mindset and are very anti-male.
Radical feminism and cultural marxism since the 1970s has done nothing but damage society and relations while failing women and their movement for rights.
I don't know. I thought there was a lot of sexist gobbildy gook in this talk. I love video games, and think they can be a good tool for learning, but I don't know what about that idea is proprietary to the male sex. I feel like so many women today have such complexes about feminism and as a result come to the most warped conclusions about gender and sex.
im a man and a coach and sometimes math tutor to both genders - my opinions are based on my expierences -i havent looked up any social behaviorialist on the subject - its defenitly cultural at least - if you have a 100% correlation found in scientific study proving boys dont like to compete i would be glad to see it - i cant cite one but it seems ive seen some way back that suggested it and that this was veiwed as a problem for girls education - japan has competiton in school and they do well
@MrIzzyDizzy Your "competition" is cultural and undeniably a social construct. Your success with it is obviously anecdotal (as you clearly stated). You shouldn't overgeneralize based on small personal experiences. Furthermore competition as a motivator is self defeating and it breeds egomaniacs. The goal is always for one's self and for something at the end of the process. It produces a need to achieve something that never arrives, creating frustrated poorly integrated young boys.
@fatfacekid - ive since thought about it more - and would tend to agree with you - its obvious howerver that much is wrong with our system for all students -and i think femine bias in the class room is all too often a reality - the solution is smaller class sizes and more and better teachers abd more school days - at least these things would help though may never be acheived with out a resource based economy.
im tempted to shoot the messanger lol - but its actualy not her fault - make the classroom a competetion and the boys will really work - but today we have to be touchy feely sensitive and kind everyone can get a trophy or a hug or a star on thier paper - you want to engage boys give them a competetion - and another competition and another and then reward by merit
The video makes total sense but by judging those 85 negatives and the answers of some posters, this problem will not be overcame soon. Feminism, media-induced hysteria, rejection of manhood, embracement of political correctness and similar stupidities still and will prevail for a good 10-15 years still.
I learned to type fast and spell properly and good grammar all at age 8-10 from playing my brother's Counterstrike 1.6. I learned how to read and find out meanings from RPG's (specifically KoToR2). My passion for fantasy literature was created at age 7 because of gory dragon-elf-dwarve action books and movies. I completely see where this woman is coming from. Men like toys. If you implement toys into learning, we learn better. hurr durr.
Biologically, Boys are made for running, fighting, hunting, and having sex. From our deepest instinct, we want to defy boundaries, to explore, to compete. I agree with Flare400. Men will always defy control. It's in our blood.
@TheJoshea72 Actually those are only symptoms of what men actually need to be. Men are there for the protection of women. If you want a girlfriend then you need to be a man who can protect her. Otherwise you will only be a friend to her.
In a nutshell, what is wrong with the American education system? Everything. The harder the American Government tries to "make kids smarter" girls only get more intelligent, while boys become less intelligent. More pressure is put on little boys, the more anxiety and depression they get, the more learning and behavioral problems they get (ADD, ADHD, etc.) and the more they hate school. Girls and boys need to be in separate classrooms, because they think and learn in completley different ways.
@blackkbanana I don't think this is the problem. I think it is because modern day feminism has put a focus on females in the academic world, perhaps with good intentions, and now they are dominating the professional workforce, but this has indirectly led to the problem we see here.
I am studying to be a teacher and I would absolutely let my children write essays about their video games and/or their interests. Learning to write is learning to write no matter what they write about. I think it's wrong and hindering freedom of speech to keep someone from writting what they want. Even children.
A bit of overuse of the words boy, boys, girl and girls... A bit sexist-ish.
Also: Gaming is NOT a problem, nor is it a symptom!
The problems in school is.
The gaming isn't related. On contrary, gaming has been shown to have many beneficial effects on your mind. (...and no negative ones. The only negative is the same as reading books or watching TV: Lack of exercise)
Just a thought - Maybe the problem is the feminization of Public Schools cause boys to play competitive games online, cause suspension, causes emotional disturbance. Not giving the guys a chance to let off some steam. No rough housing, not allowed to play with plastic weapons or writing about "violent" subjects.
Yeah, elementary school sure is lame in modern times. Here's what I recall:
- no snowball fights
- no climbing trees
- no going off paved areas on a rainy day (I'm not kidding!)
- no Pokemon cards
I would blame the courts the most - they have completely taken off any responsibility off the individual, so to avoid lawsuits the boards have banned anything that might have even the slightest probability of risk, treating kids like inmates. And this continues into the general population...
@Flare400 Okay, so basically, the kids are forbidden to be kids.
Their forbidden to have fun.
What kind of monsters make these rules!?
I can understand the pokemon thing though. It can be played whilst betting cards on the outcome. That's how it's supposed to be done, actually (same with Magic the gathering, which I used to play. Never bet cards on it though) ...and that's gambling.
Still, I bet a lot of them don't bet, so...
This is the problem with making rules were your ignorant...
Not all court rulings are based on legislation. Much of Western society has a common law system, where (if there's no overruling legislation) court decisions are based on precedent, or if there's no precedent, what the judges consider to be most equitable.
For example, there was never explicit legislation that held bars responsible for actions of their patrons after they left the bar, or held businesses responsible for customers spilling hot drinks on themselves.
@Flare400 Many teachers I have come across are bureaucratic dumbshits who believe that every individual must abide by rules exactly as written. For example, a student leaves the bus, hops over a garden (without touching the ground, mind you), and without expectation or perceived reason, the teacher will exclaim "EXCUSE ME. YOU WILL GO BACK TO THE BUS AND WALK BACK APPROPRIATELY." I despise this type of "teacher".
Being a very masculine girl who plays video games and enjoys a lot of boy culture, I totally agree with what Ali brings forward here. And I have to say, it's even worse in high school, because your brain develops more and the gap between your mode of thought and that that is accepted by schools widens
What the hell is she talking about? My brother is 6 years younger than me and his school work was always way easier than mine had been in that grade. School is always getting easier, not harder. Nobody in the schools expects 6-year-olds to know how to read.
@TselkeNoddles It's not "letting a group of boys gather somewhere on their own". It's encouraging sexual segregation and teaching them to view the other sex as weird and alien. And BTW, the girls scouts lets boys in. Not many join, but they are allowed.
@juliecranford You're going to see the rise of China and India in the 21st Century, both countries have a billion people each, they have large and young populations. That's your competition and the boomers are going to retire. Who's going pay off your $14 Trillion debt and support the boomers - your kids. These young men are going to a burden on society. There's going to more crime more anti-social, more money to be spent on prisons at a time when you'll need health care for the boomers.
@leonidasx666 It sounds like you agree with me partly. Yes, being responsible and mature is not dependent on gender. Anyone can be responsible and mature, or not. But then you say that man and woman are different. In what respect? They are different anatomically, but that's only relevant in sexual matters. How are men and women different innately?
@juliecranford boys like to win to compete to dominate and be rewarded for it - more so than girls though many girls like it too - but bring games and recognition and compettion back and boys will work harder than they do now
@MrIzzyDizzy Prove that these differences are innate and not taught by culture. Also, unless it's a 100% correlation, I don't give a shit about it. If you don't have a 100% correlation, then you haven't found the real cause.
@juliecranford Testosterone & Hormones. Homosexuality is not a choice people are born Homosexual. People like you are like those Christian Organizations that try to turn gay people straight. You have no right to destroy male identity.
@RedTyphoon1 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Why are you bringing up homosexuality? I have no problem with gay people. A male identity is only about what kind of body you want to have. It doesn't have anything to do with guns or fighting.
@juliecranford I was making an analogy. whether you like it or not men and women are different, there are different types of men and women. You have no right to define male identity. Boys want to play with guns and fight not because of society because they want to, because of their biology. Hormones and Testosterone. Anti-gay campaigners believe the same thing that homosexuality is a choice rather than biology they try to turn gay people straight. Its the same thing.
@RedTyphoon1 No, it's not the same thing. Not every male likes to play with guns. Or anything like that. A male identity has to do with the kind of body you want to have. It has nothing to do with your hobbies or anything. Being gay has to do with the people you are attracted to, either romantically or sexually. Gender identity is what kind of body you want or like to have. Sexual orientation is the kind of people you want to be in a relationship with.
@juliecranford But a large number do. Homosexuality is not a choice, its scientifically proven that if you are gay then you're born gay/genes etc. You're a dumb bitch - My point is that juliecranford has no right to define male identity. It is violation of male choice/identity. If they WANT to play with guns they have every right to. Anti-Gay activists try to turn gay people straight you're guilty of the same crime. large number of boys do play with guns, not all, but its their choice.
@juliecranford The problem is that JulieCranford has no right to define male identity. It is exactly the same thing that anti-gay campaigners preach that they wish to turn gay people straight. There are biological differences, hormones etc.
I was a huge gamer and even at one point stopped showering so i could wake up at 5:10am instead of 4:55am and still get to work on time because i had been playing wow till 2am that morning. In fact I'm playing wow right now!
But I cleaned myself up and went to collage this summer and found myself in a room in 22 lovely ladies, and two guys. I'd say the marred chicks are the most fun to flirt with. Heh, especially the late 20's female prof.
@MrBranboom So Don't waste your time wow'n all day or working so you can have a bunch of extra cash to blow at the club. Go to collage, get an education, meet that beautiful, smart, and sexy chick in in bio 304, graduate, land the job, and the girl, get a nice house and car.
Not to mention you're an educated, and well things do get rough, your well developed communication, and organization skills really help minimize the unnecessary drama!
my dad didnt go to school, so it was very important for me to go. so i went to school, after i graduated i called him up and asked him what to do next and he said get a job. so i go out and i get a job. i give my next annual phone call and asked so whats next. he said i dont know, get marriaged. we are a generation of men raised by women, i really dont think another women is the answer to the problem. ~ tyler durden; fight club
An interesting back-read for this video is a book called "Boys Adrift" by Dr. Leonard Sax. He points to what he sees as the top 5 factors affecting why boys 'tune out' of school at an early age.
There are parallels with what she's saying, but I think the issue is way more complicated than not having good, educational video games.
im 19, a university student in Australia and after a deffered year and a year spent upgrading my tertiary rank I've finally gotten into the course i want. I was very intelligent as a primary school student but lost my way in high school. The talk was very interesting and needs to focus high school aswell. Peer pressure and continuing to value knowledge was my biggest problem in a public school and i severly regret wasting a lot of my time. Knowledge and encouragement was all i needed to do well.
she said herself in the beginning of this that video games were a symptom, not the main problem, so riddle me this, Why is she at the end of her talk proposing to remedy the symptom rather than actually address the real problem with guys in that situation? When i have a cold i don't take a cough drop and hope i'll be ok. Disclamer: I'm 21 yrs old and a college student studying Civil Engineering and my channel is designated to video games and computers. Video Games aren't what needs fixing.
@MrGiftedReflex"Why is she at the end of her talk proposing to remedy the symptom rather than actually address the real problem" Because she isn't. only one of her four recommendations was about games and I understood that as being a way to reconnect boys who were already disillusioned with school. The other three were about addressing the causes.
Your logic is confusing and spatious at best. Obviously she doesnt think that video games need to be fixed, all she is saying is that video games can be used to teach kids...which is a no brainer. I think youre just arguing for the sake arguing...
@MrGiftedReflex "Why is she at the end of her talk proposing to remedy the symptom rather than actually address the real problem with guys in that situation?"
Yes, she mentioned making educational games, but if you think that was all... clearly, you didn't listen to what she said.
Male teachers, zero tolerance policies being bad, changing the attitudes teachers and politicians have... You heard nothing of that?
@ZarlanTheGreen no i heard all of it. I chose not to address those because they are valid points, but i think its naive of her to use WoW and not any other games as her prime example. One of the major things she didn't even touch on is the complacency of parents. My parents made me go outside and play as a kid. Now, there are parents who make their kids a facebook, twitter, and spend hundreds of dollars per year on video games. Now are video games bad, no, I'm a gamer yet still balance my life.
@ZarlanTheGreen To continue, the point i was making is that sure, these other areas need to be addressed, but using video games to compliment the expedited educational process isn't the way to do it. Kids play video games to see the things that people don't like to talk about. Blood, gore, violence, guns, explosions, tons of action. Increasing budgets on games to make them have better content so that it can contend with other games? laughable at best.
@ZarlanTheGreen i agree that it isn't the only type of games kids play, but if you look at the best selling games, they are games of this type, and true, there can be education in these games, but the problem that arises with these games is the fact that major video game corporations are looking for a bottom line, not what is most educational. The History Channel worked with video games for a period to produce WWI, WWII and Civil War games, all three of which sold less than 50,000 copies,
@MrGiftedReflex "but the problem that arises with these games is the fact that major video game corporations are looking for a bottom line, not what is most educational."
How is that relevant?
"The History Channel worked with video games for a period to produce WWI, WWII and Civil War games, all three of which sold less than 50,000 copies"
...which of course means that those probably DON'T give reliable information about WWI, WWII and the Civil War. (and that's not sarcasm)
@ZarlanTheGreen and i purchased and played all three of them, Historically accurate? absolutely, but a game i would play again, hell no. Kids also choose to play video games to escape a learning environment. Video games or any other extracurricular activity for that matter are a scapegoat for kids when they aren't learning. It's this attitude that will cause the "educational video game" market to suffer, simply because a kid says they want Call of Duty over The History Channel's: The Civil War.
@MrGiftedReflex her point was not so much to introduce education into games, but to let games into education.
Basically, bring the blood, gore, violence, guns, explosions and tons of action back into the schools where it has been outlawed. Coz by outlawing it from school, we are essentially outlawing boys from school.
It was all mentioned as a critique of the zero tolerance policies that are alienating boys from education.
@roidroid YEAH, WE NEED, BLOOD, VIOLENCE, AND SHOOTING IN SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT BOYS WILL STAY.
fucking morons. we're not outlawing boys from school. we're outlawing stupidity. too bad most boys are simply too stupid to understand that. they don't belong in school. they belong in the workforce, because they need to be worn out with physical labor so they don't commit violent crime. school isn't for them.
around the ten min mark she uses the words "rich narrative" and "video games" in the same sentence. this, ladies and gents, is the apologetic outsider's perspective. woo. a select few have this trait, but most are purely games
Those two things are not in reference to each other. The better games comment was about designing better games than the ones we have for education e.g. The flash card ones she mentioned. She didn't mean we need to design better games than WoW
Secondly, by calling games a symptom she stating that games are not the problem. A symptom is not a cause of disease, but the result of the disease. The disease here is boring class instruction. So kids go to interesting stuff e.g games
@wecaan Game developers are quite lazy in creatively educating kids. They go for emphasizing the worst in society (easy to do, GTA, etc), rather than put some creative thought behind a game to actually have a game teach kids something of redeeming character or moral values. This isn't rocket science. It's social science. Too bad we don't have enough social scientists today. The games of yesteryear most likely made them game addicts and they now work at McDonalds unfortunately.
While I agree totally with this talk, the education system is more of a symptom rather then the larger problem. Yes there are developmental differences that affect speed and way boys and girls learn. however, I believe that the problem lies in the male culture. The definition of what it is to be a boy, what is an is not appropriate. We teach our boys one thing, and then chastise them later for doing it. We teach them how to be "boys", and then are confused when they act like "boys".
@dalamarmajere Whom are you referring to when you say "We"? Because my parents never raised me to "be a boy". They taught grounding principles about life, courtesy, honor, and perseverance. They kept it simple and general in nature. So who are these "chastising" individuals? To define the behavior of males into "male culture" with a negative connotation is shortsighted and inappropriate. You're dehumanizing males. And you are insinuating chauvinism.
i wish she included more information about the development of boys vs. girls. girls develop verbally earlier, which is what is usually measured in education. it comes across as her just saying boys are in reading programs because their teachers are female, when the problems are much more challenging than that.
and majored in Exercise Biology in once pursuit for Nursing but then was turned on by business..
and I will admit, most of my creativity and inspiration for creating a fully vivid and engaging lifestyle comes from my childhood & playing VIDEO GAMES.
King's Quest taught me to type. Fortunately, I went through school before zero tolerance, because stephen king and piers anthony taught me to read. I struggled as a C student "capable of so much more" because the curriculum wanted to force me to read and think like a girl. No offense, but Jane Austen simply isn't a boy, and while I gained from reading it, it should not be the only lit available to teach language arts.
I agree with Dr. Carr-Chellman's thesis, but I don't think she digs deep enough. John Taylor Gatto has covered this topic at great length, and come to a similar thesis: It's not the curriculum, or the games, or even the length of time. It's the school itself. The place is designed to lobotomize the portion of the brain that handles self-management and individuality. It's a natural consequence of top-down, centrally managed, factory schools. That's why both boys and girls are lost there.
For example, I love playing music, but I find it even more amazing the math and science behind it. How an "A4" note is 440hz and an octave above that is 880hz. I found it amazing that hz in specific proportions sound "nice" and others sound "bad" and it ends up being how the compression waves match up every X number of wavelengths.
Get them excited about knowing that kind of stuff and they'll do most of the rest on their own. At least that how me and my friends did it.
Gaming is not the way. I LOVE gaming, but educational games aren't fun. They will never be fun.
You need to get them excited about something like science or math or whatever and then explain how learning the other stuff will help. I got most of my reading skill because I was told if I learn to read better than I can read the science books better. And if I learned math better than I can apply it to astronomy, etc.
The biggest part, I think, is explaining that it is simply fun to KNOW stuff.
@KemaTheAtheist Perhaps instead of reinventing video games, we could make them obsolete? They are excitement simulators, and their popularity is inverse to the prevalence of truly exciting real life activities. When seemingly anything boys want to do in real life is closed off from them with the excuse of it being too dangerous or socially incorrect, at least in video games they are allowed to go ahead. Restore the freedom for mildly dangerous play, and then watch video games fall out of vogue.
@KemaTheAtheist If I were God for a day ..violent video games sold for anyone under 18 would have stiff penalties and be banned. Period. We do the same for selling cigarettes to kids to prevent underage smoking. Why not help prevent underage addiction to gaming? ignoring everything else in life like reading, physical exercise, social interaction with live humans. I see too many kids today addicted to games of many varieties, some bad games out. Number one issue I see today with youth..
"violent video games sold for anyone under 18 would have stiff penalties and be banned."
Spoken like a true idiot... I've been playing video games for 21 years, and I guarantee I'm better off than most (i.e. working for LM as a software engineer is damn good), and I STILL play video games. No connection has ever been main between video games and increase in violent behavior.
In addition, it has been show to improve grey-on-grey recognition, AND improve depth perception through a monitor, such as a surgeon uses for laproscopic procedures... i.e. Laproscopic surgeons who play video games do better than ones that don't. AND, doctors that play video games are better at suturing because of the increased fine-touch motor control of the hands.
"We do the same for selling cigarettes to kids to prevent underage smoking."
Underage smoking has proven health risks.
"Why not help prevent underage addiction to gaming?"
This has nothing to do with violent video games, and everything to do with the parents monitoring playing time. Gaming addiction is the parents' fault, not the video game itself.
"ignoring everything else in life like reading, physical exercise, social interaction with live humans"
RPGs, stategy games, and many others have plenty of reading in them. You can't enjoy the story without them. Go ahead. Go play a Final Fantasy game or Eternal Sonata or something like that. Plenty of reading in it. Physical exercise? Ever play WiiFit? DDR? Anything like that?
And I'm guessing you've never played an MMORPG like World of Warcraft. Some of my best friends are still the ones I met playing those games. (BTW there's TONS of reading in those games) But some of those games end up incredibly complex and require mass amounts of team work of up to 40 real people working together. AND we talk all the time over chat programs.
"I see today with youth."
I highly doubt you know any youth, or about any video games.
We don't ban "violent" video games because it doesn't make children violent. If you're mentally disturbed already, video games won't make you more disturbed, nor will they make you disturbed if you're fine in the first place.
@LotsOMovies the best games of all time, first person shooters (CoD halo unreal tournment, gears of war etc ), world of warcraft , various adventure games , real time strategiy ( starcraft warcraft age of empires rise of nations sid myers alpha centueri), real life cannot compete with this.... however with mildly dangerous play and this i think the tendancy for excessivly violent games ( gta series ) would go down. but to be fair , games can teach you alot, time managment priortising , math
@slysci5 : Games teach you something? Weak argument to many respects. Possibly increased coordination, and decreasing attention spans ? I don't think is a good thing for the types of jobs we need (engineering, science, biology, etc). When does GTA teach boys about human values and compassion? Mindless hour of addictive playing is all I see in repetitive patterns. Afterall, why imagine and use your own mind to visualize when games as eye candy are so compelling as a comparison.??
@coldfusion1111 fps shooters often have projectile motion built into the physics engine, with a little bit of modding you can easily show a 14 year old how projectile motion works and they can have an appreciation for it, its part of the reason why dynamics in general is an easy field for me to understand the equations come easily after that. GTA is an example of a bad game (mindless violence no skill set ). real time strategy games teach math, time managment, priortisation and descion (cont)
@coldfusion1111 (cont) descion making. also does wonders for your attention span. why? because to be a skillfull player you usually have to manage a couple different things at once ( usually economy supplies/logistics , army / postioning and sometimes diplomacy ). in order to evaluate a move you have to consider it mathmatically sometimes ( spend money now get more money over time or spend money now and try to capitalize now ) or considering how your army would fair against another by (cont)
@slysci5 considering things like total damage per second , total life , splash damage aoe etc. things like AP and GPs can come into effect here. reptitive on the other hand is your math teacher giving you a list of 20 problems which are basically the smae thing just with the numbers slightly askew and telling you to do them over and over. you can quite litterially teach a child how to use excel and he will never be unable to finish his math homework provided he can do 1
Books teach you something? Weak argument to many respects.
Possibly speed-reading, and decreasing melanin intake? I don't think is a good thing for the types of jobs we need (engineering, science, biology, etc). What does Huckleberry Finn teach boys about human values and compassion? Mindless hours of addictive page-turning is all I see in repetitive patterns. After all, why imagine and use your own mind to visualize when books as eye candy are so compelling as a comparison?
I was surprised at my college graduation that about 75% of the woman graduated with honors, and only about 10% of the men. That is not an exaggeration.
@lnanji The point of espousing a viewpoint is not to waffle on details, cover your butt, and avoid drawing any conclusions. Yes, open-mindedness to the possibility you are wrong is critically important for rational thought, however when you believe something, stand behind it firmly until presented with a solid reason not to. After all, if you do not even advocate your own views, then you risk lacking the strength to make decisions, and you will rarely be heard or respected.
And no, games are not the answer. They are irrelevant and implemented in any way like this would inevitably and invariably lead to further breakdown of societal cohesion, general sense of morality and self-consciousness, and humanness in general. As the comment at the top points out, males need to "do stuff," not sit around becoming effeminate, self-loathing and thoroughly divorced from reality.
However good intentioned I found this patronizing, insulting and at times idiotic. The "problems" she talks about are not the root problem, they are merely symptoms of it, and of course the problems will keep returning if the root cause is never actually dealt with. That women are the ones constantly going up and giving talks on this sort of issue is just one of the countless signs of what the core problems really are.
Yeah...encourange and enable violence and a violent mentality to increase rates of writing. How STUPID! Regulate media and games so that kids don't grow up to be complete numbskulls. Implement programs to encourage morality. Change the culture to promote the family unit. The time for free-running media has to end as it only caters to the basest of human instinct. Goddamnit I'm tired of being addicted to things
crudhousefull 2 weeks ago
Guys...'juliecranford' is a teenage girl. Give her a break. I can't believe so many people would start arguing with a kid
crudhousefull 2 weeks ago
We're based in the UK and are hoping to encourage learning through the use of gamification. this will manifest itself by using game mechanics to help influence users into improving their learning. We'd love to speak to like minded people who are into learning games
gametolearnonline 2 months ago
Boys do not have their own culture, and they are different. Children do not tend to be nothing; their parents have the influence here. The statistics 100 girls is bs; if teachers tend to expel more boys from school how come this is a boys issue. Western societies have bias towards boys especially the American one. ADHD is invented to bring profits to pharmaceutics corporations.
DrNikol2007 3 months ago
@DrNikol2007 Followed me from the Ferguson/Killer Apps Vid, How Sad.
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
@DrNikol2007 Actually Kids get more information/influence from the internet than their parents. A 8/10 year old child has absorbed more information and has access to more information than many of their grandparents did at their age or entire lifetimes.
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
BOYS DON'T BELONG IN SCHOOL.
they can find other things to do. video games don't belong in school. school is for learning, not simulating games where people shoot others and steal cars.
what the fuck is going on? nobody is driving boys away from school. they simply don't belong there.
karlsmith00 3 months ago
@karlsmith00 Settle down Mr "This channel is not available."
roidroid 3 months ago
@roidroid great response to what i pointed out.
schools don't need to adapt in order to facilitate boys' inability to focus and obsession with violence in video games. boys need to change in order to learn and attend school. and the ones that can't do that shouldn't be in school. they need jobs. end of story.
karlsmith00 3 months ago
@karlsmith00 you are way too angry, your userpage is disabled, you are a troll.
roidroid 3 months ago
@karlsmith00 No one belongs in school.
juliecranford 3 months ago
@juliecranford no, girls belong in school. boys need jobs involving manual labor.
karlsmith00 3 months ago
She is out of touch, completely.
srhabb 4 months ago
Shiiit, feel sorry for kids in the US in this respect.
This isn't healthy. If you make kids hold back and bottle down thought and emotions you're begging to get some kind of mental instability.
MarkArandjus 4 months ago
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selearemus 4 months ago
only way to fix public schools is to abolish them.
RedPlayerOne 4 months ago
When someone says we live in a "feminine culture", they're probably just mad that men have to share the power with women now. They think men should be allowed to rape their wives, etc.
juliecranford 5 months ago
@juliecranford
Nice strawman. Here's your torch.
KadrickNinness 3 months ago
Oh, I'm sorry. Strawwoman. Or hang on, Strawman is a negative concept. No, you wouldn't share that credit, right?
KadrickNinness 3 months ago
Not sure that she has it entierly right here. Video games in some respect are escapism, they are a failure to live life in the real world. You make something for boys in the real world, and they will want to live there again.
TheManWhoSpoke 5 months ago
boys just wanna achieve and if they can't in real life because of bullshit education.. THEY TURN ON THOSE CONSOLES!! AHH I LOVE MY GAMES
christophedetiege 5 months ago
@christophedetiege I agree with you. I understand concepts literally days before my class mates and just spend class thinking of video games concepts. WHen I go home I just turn on my Xbox bc I finished all my lame homework in school
VoiceSee4 5 months ago
lolthisracist.
RoflKnifeDemandz 6 months ago
". . .Even the simple act of playing has been taken away children. . . When does a kid ever get sit in the yard with a stick anymore. Do today's kids even know what a stick is? But a kid should not be wasting his time with a stick anyway. . he should be studying for his kindergarten entrance exams. The poor little fuck. Isn't this a sophisticated form of child abuse?" - George Carlin
GooberGamer 8 months ago
I was kind of thinking it was a cultural difference too - boys are treated with less empathy than girls. Boys are told to suck it up and girls learn talk about it. Girls learn empathic listening and put it into practice earlier on than boys do, simply because they're girls. I can't help but think this too affects how minds are formed, because I think emotion gives logic the grounds on which to stand. I'm probably wrong.
rpm297 8 months ago
Even though I get good grades, my complete hate for school is kind of annoying. I increases procrastination time so much even when I'm interested. If future guys can have a better school experience, I am all for it.
SirPrimeArtist 9 months ago
hahaha i left elementary school thinking that and i left highschool thinking kinda the same thing. only in university are they treating us like free ppl.
DanSnyder101 10 months ago
Misandry 101
Dear wimmin and mangina cowards,
Go choke on your own fascist hatred.
Q: How does one scare away a feminist...?
A: Hug a boy.
LookingGlassStudio 11 months ago
The problem with schools is that the majority of teachers are women with a marxist mindset that see white masculinity as a threat. And not only teachers: the majority of women have adopted this mindset and are very anti-male.
Radical feminism and cultural marxism since the 1970s has done nothing but damage society and relations while failing women and their movement for rights.
Foxx1981 11 months ago
I don't know. I thought there was a lot of sexist gobbildy gook in this talk. I love video games, and think they can be a good tool for learning, but I don't know what about that idea is proprietary to the male sex. I feel like so many women today have such complexes about feminism and as a result come to the most warped conclusions about gender and sex.
Devin1488 11 months ago
I was a "smart kid".
But what a b*tch-wh0re-scum-sh*thead teacher i had.
I'd reenact a saw movie, if i ever meet her again.
I'm not kidding!
SEThatered 11 months ago
all the teachers i learn best from at high school are guys who play video games themselves
theyre the least strict but its not a problem cause no one acts against them cause we all like their classes
reallyboredatm 1 year ago
im a man and a coach and sometimes math tutor to both genders - my opinions are based on my expierences -i havent looked up any social behaviorialist on the subject - its defenitly cultural at least - if you have a 100% correlation found in scientific study proving boys dont like to compete i would be glad to see it - i cant cite one but it seems ive seen some way back that suggested it and that this was veiwed as a problem for girls education - japan has competiton in school and they do well
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
@MrIzzyDizzy Your "competition" is cultural and undeniably a social construct. Your success with it is obviously anecdotal (as you clearly stated). You shouldn't overgeneralize based on small personal experiences. Furthermore competition as a motivator is self defeating and it breeds egomaniacs. The goal is always for one's self and for something at the end of the process. It produces a need to achieve something that never arrives, creating frustrated poorly integrated young boys.
fatfacekid 10 months ago
@fatfacekid - ive since thought about it more - and would tend to agree with you - its obvious howerver that much is wrong with our system for all students -and i think femine bias in the class room is all too often a reality - the solution is smaller class sizes and more and better teachers abd more school days - at least these things would help though may never be acheived with out a resource based economy.
MrIzzyDizzy 10 months ago
im tempted to shoot the messanger lol - but its actualy not her fault - make the classroom a competetion and the boys will really work - but today we have to be touchy feely sensitive and kind everyone can get a trophy or a hug or a star on thier paper - you want to engage boys give them a competetion - and another competition and another and then reward by merit
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
Why does she sound angry and sexist? Meh, I guess we all need to vent our frustration.
xaiomanga 1 year ago
@xaiomanga She doesn't to me. As a father of 4 boys, I am challenged and encouraged by her presentation.
aaroncarrie1 11 months ago
I thought this was quite insightful. Well done TeD.
2plus2make4 1 year ago
The video makes total sense but by judging those 85 negatives and the answers of some posters, this problem will not be overcame soon. Feminism, media-induced hysteria, rejection of manhood, embracement of political correctness and similar stupidities still and will prevail for a good 10-15 years still.
GerardoOchoa 1 year ago
I learned to type fast and spell properly and good grammar all at age 8-10 from playing my brother's Counterstrike 1.6. I learned how to read and find out meanings from RPG's (specifically KoToR2). My passion for fantasy literature was created at age 7 because of gory dragon-elf-dwarve action books and movies. I completely see where this woman is coming from. Men like toys. If you implement toys into learning, we learn better. hurr durr.
TehVGG 1 year ago
wow that girl is hot
DEBROXDEBROX 1 year ago
Schools suck
sonofatiger 1 year ago
So true.
mdikov 1 year ago
I Favorited this. I'm a boy, and I approve this message.
TheJoshea72 1 year ago
Biologically, Boys are made for running, fighting, hunting, and having sex. From our deepest instinct, we want to defy boundaries, to explore, to compete. I agree with Flare400. Men will always defy control. It's in our blood.
I'm a man, and I approve this message
TheJoshea72 1 year ago 7
@TheJoshea72 cant thumb this up enough.
HcOtaku1337 1 year ago
@TheJoshea72 Actually those are only symptoms of what men actually need to be. Men are there for the protection of women. If you want a girlfriend then you need to be a man who can protect her. Otherwise you will only be a friend to her.
Denoomi 3 months ago
i appreciate that ali is trying to help guys. some of the info seems misunderstood, however.
josephlin01 1 year ago
In a nutshell, what is wrong with the American education system? Everything. The harder the American Government tries to "make kids smarter" girls only get more intelligent, while boys become less intelligent. More pressure is put on little boys, the more anxiety and depression they get, the more learning and behavioral problems they get (ADD, ADHD, etc.) and the more they hate school. Girls and boys need to be in separate classrooms, because they think and learn in completley different ways.
blackkbanana 1 year ago
@blackkbanana I don't think this is the problem. I think it is because modern day feminism has put a focus on females in the academic world, perhaps with good intentions, and now they are dominating the professional workforce, but this has indirectly led to the problem we see here.
jbohler33 1 year ago
I am studying to be a teacher and I would absolutely let my children write essays about their video games and/or their interests. Learning to write is learning to write no matter what they write about. I think it's wrong and hindering freedom of speech to keep someone from writting what they want. Even children.
FoxBatinaHat 1 year ago
@FoxBatinaHat - You say that now, but when you are given a curriculum to follow, you need to follow it.
-Teacher for 20 years
Brbrshopper 1 year ago
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
kinsmed 1 year ago
A bit of overuse of the words boy, boys, girl and girls... A bit sexist-ish.
Also: Gaming is NOT a problem, nor is it a symptom!
The problems in school is.
The gaming isn't related. On contrary, gaming has been shown to have many beneficial effects on your mind. (...and no negative ones. The only negative is the same as reading books or watching TV: Lack of exercise)
Spending time on games isn't a problem.
Not spending time on school is.
That aside: Brilliant! I agree wholeheartedly!
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
Just a thought - Maybe the problem is the feminization of Public Schools cause boys to play competitive games online, cause suspension, causes emotional disturbance. Not giving the guys a chance to let off some steam. No rough housing, not allowed to play with plastic weapons or writing about "violent" subjects.
Just a thought
Drunkgrenadier 1 year ago
Yeah, elementary school sure is lame in modern times. Here's what I recall:
- no snowball fights
- no climbing trees
- no going off paved areas on a rainy day (I'm not kidding!)
- no Pokemon cards
I would blame the courts the most - they have completely taken off any responsibility off the individual, so to avoid lawsuits the boards have banned anything that might have even the slightest probability of risk, treating kids like inmates. And this continues into the general population...
Flare400 1 year ago 26
@Flare400 Okay, so basically, the kids are forbidden to be kids.
Their forbidden to have fun.
What kind of monsters make these rules!?
I can understand the pokemon thing though. It can be played whilst betting cards on the outcome. That's how it's supposed to be done, actually (same with Magic the gathering, which I used to play. Never bet cards on it though) ...and that's gambling.
Still, I bet a lot of them don't bet, so...
This is the problem with making rules were your ignorant...
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@Flare400 Actually, it's the politicians. They're the ones who pass legislation. Courts only uphold that crap.
Prolite 1 year ago
@Prolite
Not all court rulings are based on legislation. Much of Western society has a common law system, where (if there's no overruling legislation) court decisions are based on precedent, or if there's no precedent, what the judges consider to be most equitable.
For example, there was never explicit legislation that held bars responsible for actions of their patrons after they left the bar, or held businesses responsible for customers spilling hot drinks on themselves.
Flare400 1 year ago
@Flare400 Jesus no pokemon cards?! Are they mad?! My school ran pokemon cards like a drug trade!
reignman4 1 year ago
@Flare400 Many teachers I have come across are bureaucratic dumbshits who believe that every individual must abide by rules exactly as written. For example, a student leaves the bus, hops over a garden (without touching the ground, mind you), and without expectation or perceived reason, the teacher will exclaim "EXCUSE ME. YOU WILL GO BACK TO THE BUS AND WALK BACK APPROPRIATELY." I despise this type of "teacher".
failwhale22 10 months ago
@Flare400 and dont forget, no video games either. They would have rotted our brains and made us unable to focus on REAL education ;)
phaneufowns 10 months ago
Being a very masculine girl who plays video games and enjoys a lot of boy culture, I totally agree with what Ali brings forward here. And I have to say, it's even worse in high school, because your brain develops more and the gap between your mode of thought and that that is accepted by schools widens
KepiLayla 1 year ago
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Sitting in a desk and mindlessly following instructions is not a girl thing. Girls don't like to do that either.
juliecranford 1 year ago 2
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@juliecranford "Sitting in a desk and mindlessly following instructions is not a girl thing. Girls don't like to do that either."
Very good point.
What schools are encouraging isn't being a girl.
It's being a robot.
But... Girls are supposed to be quite, polite, proper...
being seen but not heard, and obeying.
This state of affairs is not a particularly good thing for girls.
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
What the hell is she talking about? My brother is 6 years younger than me and his school work was always way easier than mine had been in that grade. School is always getting easier, not harder. Nobody in the schools expects 6-year-olds to know how to read.
juliecranford 1 year ago
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Fuck eagle scouts, fuck that stupid sexist christian organization, and fuck the government for constantly supporting them.
juliecranford 1 year ago 16
@juliecranford lololol. You're retarded.
TheJoshea72 1 year ago
@TheJoshea72 NO U.
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford Fuck bitches who can't let a group of boys gather somewhere on their own. Is the girl scouts also sexist or what?
TselkeNoddles 5 months ago 10
@TselkeNoddles It's not "letting a group of boys gather somewhere on their own". It's encouraging sexual segregation and teaching them to view the other sex as weird and alien. And BTW, the girls scouts lets boys in. Not many join, but they are allowed.
juliecranford 5 months ago
@juliecranford Like all-female gyms?
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
@RedTyphoon1 I don't know what comment you're refering to, but I never go to sexually segregated places if I can help it.
juliecranford 3 months ago
@juliecranford Doesn't really matter if you do or not. You have gender specific places/things that help girls there should be those that help boys.
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
@juliecranford You're going to see the rise of China and India in the 21st Century, both countries have a billion people each, they have large and young populations. That's your competition and the boomers are going to retire. Who's going pay off your $14 Trillion debt and support the boomers - your kids. These young men are going to a burden on society. There's going to more crime more anti-social, more money to be spent on prisons at a time when you'll need health care for the boomers.
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
@TselkeNoddles no, boys are bitches and they should be reading not burning their brain cells on video games.
you seem to forget THE BOYS SCOUTS EXIST.
boys don't belong in school anyway. it's too hard for most of them.
karlsmith00 3 months ago
Those numbers infuriate me. We criminalize and drug males from the day they're born and wonder what the problem is.
DiwataMan 1 year ago
We are now living in a Feminine culture.
In the attempt to kill Machismo, they ended up killing Manhood.
If you wanna fix it, it's easy... leave it alone. Let boys be boys.
leonidasx666 1 year ago 5
@leonidasx666 There's no such thing as manhood or womanhood. There's just adulthood and being responsible and mature.
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford I disagree. Responsability and maturity come with age, not gender.
Being a (adult) man or being a (adult) woman are two very diferent things.
leonidasx666 1 year ago
@leonidasx666 It sounds like you agree with me partly. Yes, being responsible and mature is not dependent on gender. Anyone can be responsible and mature, or not. But then you say that man and woman are different. In what respect? They are different anatomically, but that's only relevant in sexual matters. How are men and women different innately?
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford The answer is in this TEDtalk.
leonidasx666 1 year ago
@leonidasx666 Your answer? You're the speaker of this video?
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford boys like to win to compete to dominate and be rewarded for it - more so than girls though many girls like it too - but bring games and recognition and compettion back and boys will work harder than they do now
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
@MrIzzyDizzy Prove that these differences are innate and not taught by culture. Also, unless it's a 100% correlation, I don't give a shit about it. If you don't have a 100% correlation, then you haven't found the real cause.
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford Testosterone & Hormones. Homosexuality is not a choice people are born Homosexual. People like you are like those Christian Organizations that try to turn gay people straight. You have no right to destroy male identity.
RedTyphoon1 1 year ago
@RedTyphoon1 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Why are you bringing up homosexuality? I have no problem with gay people. A male identity is only about what kind of body you want to have. It doesn't have anything to do with guns or fighting.
juliecranford 11 months ago
@juliecranford I was making an analogy. whether you like it or not men and women are different, there are different types of men and women. You have no right to define male identity. Boys want to play with guns and fight not because of society because they want to, because of their biology. Hormones and Testosterone. Anti-gay campaigners believe the same thing that homosexuality is a choice rather than biology they try to turn gay people straight. Its the same thing.
RedTyphoon1 10 months ago
@RedTyphoon1 No, it's not the same thing. Not every male likes to play with guns. Or anything like that. A male identity has to do with the kind of body you want to have. It has nothing to do with your hobbies or anything. Being gay has to do with the people you are attracted to, either romantically or sexually. Gender identity is what kind of body you want or like to have. Sexual orientation is the kind of people you want to be in a relationship with.
juliecranford 10 months ago
@juliecranford But a large number do. Homosexuality is not a choice, its scientifically proven that if you are gay then you're born gay/genes etc. You're a dumb bitch - My point is that juliecranford has no right to define male identity. It is violation of male choice/identity. If they WANT to play with guns they have every right to. Anti-Gay activists try to turn gay people straight you're guilty of the same crime. large number of boys do play with guns, not all, but its their choice.
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
@juliecranford The problem is that JulieCranford has no right to define male identity. It is exactly the same thing that anti-gay campaigners preach that they wish to turn gay people straight. There are biological differences, hormones etc.
RedTyphoon1 3 months ago
let boys be boys :-)
shethewriter 1 year ago
I was a huge gamer and even at one point stopped showering so i could wake up at 5:10am instead of 4:55am and still get to work on time because i had been playing wow till 2am that morning. In fact I'm playing wow right now!
But I cleaned myself up and went to collage this summer and found myself in a room in 22 lovely ladies, and two guys. I'd say the marred chicks are the most fun to flirt with. Heh, especially the late 20's female prof.
I shit you not, my 50% average went to high 70s!
MrBranboom 1 year ago
@MrBranboom So Don't waste your time wow'n all day or working so you can have a bunch of extra cash to blow at the club. Go to collage, get an education, meet that beautiful, smart, and sexy chick in in bio 304, graduate, land the job, and the girl, get a nice house and car.
Not to mention you're an educated, and well things do get rough, your well developed communication, and organization skills really help minimize the unnecessary drama!
Anyways, dare to dream!
MrBranboom 1 year ago
@MrBranboom Hahaha awesome comment.
Creation0012 1 year ago
I officially love this woman.
bra4don2 1 year ago
@ORCA4312 Well yeah, that too. It starts at home.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
my dad didnt go to school, so it was very important for me to go. so i went to school, after i graduated i called him up and asked him what to do next and he said get a job. so i go out and i get a job. i give my next annual phone call and asked so whats next. he said i dont know, get marriaged. we are a generation of men raised by women, i really dont think another women is the answer to the problem. ~ tyler durden; fight club
Steelwolf696 1 year ago
An interesting back-read for this video is a book called "Boys Adrift" by Dr. Leonard Sax. He points to what he sees as the top 5 factors affecting why boys 'tune out' of school at an early age.
There are parallels with what she's saying, but I think the issue is way more complicated than not having good, educational video games.
iGregory67 1 year ago
@iGregory67 "There are parallels with what she's saying, but I think the issue is way more complicated than not having good, educational video games."
If you think that she does, then you didn't pay attention to her speech.
Better educational games, was only one, of many, things she said needed to be done.
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@iGregory67 the video's main point about games was that the pursuits of boys are outlawed in our schools, being a boy is outlawed.
No references to violence or computer games allowed.
roidroid 1 year ago
im 19, a university student in Australia and after a deffered year and a year spent upgrading my tertiary rank I've finally gotten into the course i want. I was very intelligent as a primary school student but lost my way in high school. The talk was very interesting and needs to focus high school aswell. Peer pressure and continuing to value knowledge was my biggest problem in a public school and i severly regret wasting a lot of my time. Knowledge and encouragement was all i needed to do well.
lawazza 1 year ago
@lawazza just outof curiosity, how did you upgrade your tertiary rank?
roidroid 1 year ago
she said herself in the beginning of this that video games were a symptom, not the main problem, so riddle me this, Why is she at the end of her talk proposing to remedy the symptom rather than actually address the real problem with guys in that situation? When i have a cold i don't take a cough drop and hope i'll be ok. Disclamer: I'm 21 yrs old and a college student studying Civil Engineering and my channel is designated to video games and computers. Video Games aren't what needs fixing.
MrGiftedReflex 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex her suggestion was not to to fix video games, but rather to make the school environment more appealing to boys.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex"Why is she at the end of her talk proposing to remedy the symptom rather than actually address the real problem" Because she isn't. only one of her four recommendations was about games and I understood that as being a way to reconnect boys who were already disillusioned with school. The other three were about addressing the causes.
WhichDoctor1 1 year ago
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Your logic is confusing and spatious at best. Obviously she doesnt think that video games need to be fixed, all she is saying is that video games can be used to teach kids...which is a no brainer. I think youre just arguing for the sake arguing...
illnastic 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex "Why is she at the end of her talk proposing to remedy the symptom rather than actually address the real problem with guys in that situation?"
Yes, she mentioned making educational games, but if you think that was all... clearly, you didn't listen to what she said.
Male teachers, zero tolerance policies being bad, changing the attitudes teachers and politicians have... You heard nothing of that?
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@ZarlanTheGreen no i heard all of it. I chose not to address those because they are valid points, but i think its naive of her to use WoW and not any other games as her prime example. One of the major things she didn't even touch on is the complacency of parents. My parents made me go outside and play as a kid. Now, there are parents who make their kids a facebook, twitter, and spend hundreds of dollars per year on video games. Now are video games bad, no, I'm a gamer yet still balance my life.
MrGiftedReflex 1 year ago
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@MrGiftedReflex "I chose not to address those because they are valid points"
Yet you still imply that her only solutions were games.
"but i think its naive of her to use WoW and not any other games as her prime example."
WoW is the most known game, and thus logical to use as example.
"Now, there are parents who make their kids a facebook, twitter, and spend hundreds of dollars per year on video games."
...and that is a problem, how?
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@ZarlanTheGreen To continue, the point i was making is that sure, these other areas need to be addressed, but using video games to compliment the expedited educational process isn't the way to do it. Kids play video games to see the things that people don't like to talk about. Blood, gore, violence, guns, explosions, tons of action. Increasing budgets on games to make them have better content so that it can contend with other games? laughable at best.
MrGiftedReflex 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex "but using video games to compliment the expedited educational process isn't the way to do it."
Why on earth not?
Games and other forms of fiction can, in most cases, be educational, whilst fulfilling it's other roles.
"Kids play video games to see the things that people don't like to talk about. Blood, gore, violence, guns, explosions, tons of action."
...which doesn't mean that there can't be education in there.
Also, that's certainly not the only types of games kids play
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@ZarlanTheGreen i agree that it isn't the only type of games kids play, but if you look at the best selling games, they are games of this type, and true, there can be education in these games, but the problem that arises with these games is the fact that major video game corporations are looking for a bottom line, not what is most educational. The History Channel worked with video games for a period to produce WWI, WWII and Civil War games, all three of which sold less than 50,000 copies,
MrGiftedReflex 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex "but the problem that arises with these games is the fact that major video game corporations are looking for a bottom line, not what is most educational."
How is that relevant?
"The History Channel worked with video games for a period to produce WWI, WWII and Civil War games, all three of which sold less than 50,000 copies"
...which of course means that those probably DON'T give reliable information about WWI, WWII and the Civil War. (and that's not sarcasm)
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@ZarlanTheGreen and i purchased and played all three of them, Historically accurate? absolutely, but a game i would play again, hell no. Kids also choose to play video games to escape a learning environment. Video games or any other extracurricular activity for that matter are a scapegoat for kids when they aren't learning. It's this attitude that will cause the "educational video game" market to suffer, simply because a kid says they want Call of Duty over The History Channel's: The Civil War.
MrGiftedReflex 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex "Historically accurate? absolutely"
The History Channel (and discovery and national geographic) don't give a shit about historical accuracy.
It's an entertainment channel, not an educational.
They often use "experts" without any relevant expertise, and "facts" that anyone who knows anything about it, will recognize as bullshit.
"Kids also choose to play video games to escape a learning environment."
They can, and do, learn outside that environment.
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
@MrGiftedReflex her point was not so much to introduce education into games, but to let games into education.
Basically, bring the blood, gore, violence, guns, explosions and tons of action back into the schools where it has been outlawed. Coz by outlawing it from school, we are essentially outlawing boys from school.
It was all mentioned as a critique of the zero tolerance policies that are alienating boys from education.
roidroid 1 year ago
@roidroid YEAH, WE NEED, BLOOD, VIOLENCE, AND SHOOTING IN SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT BOYS WILL STAY.
fucking morons. we're not outlawing boys from school. we're outlawing stupidity. too bad most boys are simply too stupid to understand that. they don't belong in school. they belong in the workforce, because they need to be worn out with physical labor so they don't commit violent crime. school isn't for them.
karlsmith00 3 months ago
around the ten min mark she uses the words "rich narrative" and "video games" in the same sentence. this, ladies and gents, is the apologetic outsider's perspective. woo. a select few have this trait, but most are purely games
thePseudoSimian 1 year ago
@thePseudoSimian 'rich narrative' as compared to educational material offered at schools.
BaileysBeads 1 year ago
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thePseudoSimian 1 year ago
Probably several things I can say in response in this video...
If we can write about WoW I want to write about my animal abuse adventures in Minecraft.
For teachers, I had a guy teacher for my German class and a few others in Highschool, I loved those classes.
And of course video games can be used to learn! Total War and Age of Empires got me (or reintroduced me) to history.
If we manage to raise our children above average: does this mean we expect them to be NASA scientists by three?
AaronMk91 1 year ago
@gunnarhilmarsson
Those two things are not in reference to each other. The better games comment was about designing better games than the ones we have for education e.g. The flash card ones she mentioned. She didn't mean we need to design better games than WoW
Secondly, by calling games a symptom she stating that games are not the problem. A symptom is not a cause of disease, but the result of the disease. The disease here is boring class instruction. So kids go to interesting stuff e.g games
wecaan 1 year ago
@wecaan Game developers are quite lazy in creatively educating kids. They go for emphasizing the worst in society (easy to do, GTA, etc), rather than put some creative thought behind a game to actually have a game teach kids something of redeeming character or moral values. This isn't rocket science. It's social science. Too bad we don't have enough social scientists today. The games of yesteryear most likely made them game addicts and they now work at McDonalds unfortunately.
coldfusion1111 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111
Have you ever actually PLAYED any of those video games?
ElDeclan 1 year ago
While I agree totally with this talk, the education system is more of a symptom rather then the larger problem. Yes there are developmental differences that affect speed and way boys and girls learn. however, I believe that the problem lies in the male culture. The definition of what it is to be a boy, what is an is not appropriate. We teach our boys one thing, and then chastise them later for doing it. We teach them how to be "boys", and then are confused when they act like "boys".
dalamarmajere 1 year ago
@dalamarmajere Whom are you referring to when you say "We"? Because my parents never raised me to "be a boy". They taught grounding principles about life, courtesy, honor, and perseverance. They kept it simple and general in nature. So who are these "chastising" individuals? To define the behavior of males into "male culture" with a negative connotation is shortsighted and inappropriate. You're dehumanizing males. And you are insinuating chauvinism.
Prolite 1 year ago
@dalamarmajere your comment is interesting, please continue.
roidroid 1 year ago
i wish she included more information about the development of boys vs. girls. girls develop verbally earlier, which is what is usually measured in education. it comes across as her just saying boys are in reading programs because their teachers are female, when the problems are much more challenging than that.
D1SGRUNTL3D 1 year ago
Imagine what will happen in the next 10 years if this keep happening:
Supervisor: Mary, I have a fight happening in xx street. Go calm them down!!
Mary: NOOO!!! I am scared of those people!
Supervisor: Why the heck you go to police force then?!?!
Mary: No boys are available since all boys are forbidden to have violence *point on someone who serves coffee*
John: * in a sweet voice* Yes, Office Mary, you need coffee?
DISCLAIMER: Just for fun. But see the "proverb" and how it does
Fenr1rblu3 1 year ago
I am a full time artist
Professional Dancer
Entrepreneur
and majored in Exercise Biology in once pursuit for Nursing but then was turned on by business..
and I will admit, most of my creativity and inspiration for creating a fully vivid and engaging lifestyle comes from my childhood & playing VIDEO GAMES.
THANK YOU ALI,
DKWAN
SilkyDKwan 1 year ago
King's Quest taught me to type. Fortunately, I went through school before zero tolerance, because stephen king and piers anthony taught me to read. I struggled as a C student "capable of so much more" because the curriculum wanted to force me to read and think like a girl. No offense, but Jane Austen simply isn't a boy, and while I gained from reading it, it should not be the only lit available to teach language arts.
gamp0001 1 year ago
@gamp0001 yeah, high 5! i learned howto type well from playing KingsQuest3
roidroid 1 year ago
I agree with Dr. Carr-Chellman's thesis, but I don't think she digs deep enough. John Taylor Gatto has covered this topic at great length, and come to a similar thesis: It's not the curriculum, or the games, or even the length of time. It's the school itself. The place is designed to lobotomize the portion of the brain that handles self-management and individuality. It's a natural consequence of top-down, centrally managed, factory schools. That's why both boys and girls are lost there.
gamp0001 1 year ago 2
To be perfectly honest, I learned how to read through Age of Empires II, good looks Ensemble Studios.
DoctorPretentious 1 year ago 3
For example, I love playing music, but I find it even more amazing the math and science behind it. How an "A4" note is 440hz and an octave above that is 880hz. I found it amazing that hz in specific proportions sound "nice" and others sound "bad" and it ends up being how the compression waves match up every X number of wavelengths.
Get them excited about knowing that kind of stuff and they'll do most of the rest on their own. At least that how me and my friends did it.
KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago 3
Gaming is not the way. I LOVE gaming, but educational games aren't fun. They will never be fun.
You need to get them excited about something like science or math or whatever and then explain how learning the other stuff will help. I got most of my reading skill because I was told if I learn to read better than I can read the science books better. And if I learned math better than I can apply it to astronomy, etc.
The biggest part, I think, is explaining that it is simply fun to KNOW stuff.
KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
@KemaTheAtheist Perhaps instead of reinventing video games, we could make them obsolete? They are excitement simulators, and their popularity is inverse to the prevalence of truly exciting real life activities. When seemingly anything boys want to do in real life is closed off from them with the excuse of it being too dangerous or socially incorrect, at least in video games they are allowed to go ahead. Restore the freedom for mildly dangerous play, and then watch video games fall out of vogue.
LotsOMovies 1 year ago
@LotsOMovies
"Restore the freedom for mildly dangerous play, and then watch video games fall out of vogue."
That would solve the obesity problem (slightly), not the educaton problem.
KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
@KemaTheAtheist If I were God for a day ..violent video games sold for anyone under 18 would have stiff penalties and be banned. Period. We do the same for selling cigarettes to kids to prevent underage smoking. Why not help prevent underage addiction to gaming? ignoring everything else in life like reading, physical exercise, social interaction with live humans. I see too many kids today addicted to games of many varieties, some bad games out. Number one issue I see today with youth..
coldfusion1111 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111
"If I were God for a day..."
Thankfully you're not.
"violent video games sold for anyone under 18 would have stiff penalties and be banned."
Spoken like a true idiot... I've been playing video games for 21 years, and I guarantee I'm better off than most (i.e. working for LM as a software engineer is damn good), and I STILL play video games. No connection has ever been main between video games and increase in violent behavior.
cont...
KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
...cont 2
In addition, it has been show to improve grey-on-grey recognition, AND improve depth perception through a monitor, such as a surgeon uses for laproscopic procedures... i.e. Laproscopic surgeons who play video games do better than ones that don't. AND, doctors that play video games are better at suturing because of the increased fine-touch motor control of the hands.
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KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111
"We do the same for selling cigarettes to kids to prevent underage smoking."
Underage smoking has proven health risks.
"Why not help prevent underage addiction to gaming?"
This has nothing to do with violent video games, and everything to do with the parents monitoring playing time. Gaming addiction is the parents' fault, not the video game itself.
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KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
cont 4
"ignoring everything else in life like reading, physical exercise, social interaction with live humans"
RPGs, stategy games, and many others have plenty of reading in them. You can't enjoy the story without them. Go ahead. Go play a Final Fantasy game or Eternal Sonata or something like that. Plenty of reading in it. Physical exercise? Ever play WiiFit? DDR? Anything like that?
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KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
cont 5
And I'm guessing you've never played an MMORPG like World of Warcraft. Some of my best friends are still the ones I met playing those games. (BTW there's TONS of reading in those games) But some of those games end up incredibly complex and require mass amounts of team work of up to 40 real people working together. AND we talk all the time over chat programs.
"I see today with youth."
I highly doubt you know any youth, or about any video games.
KemaTheAtheist 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111
We don't ban "violent" video games because it doesn't make children violent. If you're mentally disturbed already, video games won't make you more disturbed, nor will they make you disturbed if you're fine in the first place.
And there's graphic novels, graphic movies, etc.
Should be ban those, too?
ElDeclan 1 year ago
@LotsOMovies the best games of all time, first person shooters (CoD halo unreal tournment, gears of war etc ), world of warcraft , various adventure games , real time strategiy ( starcraft warcraft age of empires rise of nations sid myers alpha centueri), real life cannot compete with this.... however with mildly dangerous play and this i think the tendancy for excessivly violent games ( gta series ) would go down. but to be fair , games can teach you alot, time managment priortising , math
slysci5 1 year ago
@slysci5 : Games teach you something? Weak argument to many respects. Possibly increased coordination, and decreasing attention spans ? I don't think is a good thing for the types of jobs we need (engineering, science, biology, etc). When does GTA teach boys about human values and compassion? Mindless hour of addictive playing is all I see in repetitive patterns. Afterall, why imagine and use your own mind to visualize when games as eye candy are so compelling as a comparison.??
coldfusion1111 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111 fps shooters often have projectile motion built into the physics engine, with a little bit of modding you can easily show a 14 year old how projectile motion works and they can have an appreciation for it, its part of the reason why dynamics in general is an easy field for me to understand the equations come easily after that. GTA is an example of a bad game (mindless violence no skill set ). real time strategy games teach math, time managment, priortisation and descion (cont)
slysci5 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111 (cont) descion making. also does wonders for your attention span. why? because to be a skillfull player you usually have to manage a couple different things at once ( usually economy supplies/logistics , army / postioning and sometimes diplomacy ). in order to evaluate a move you have to consider it mathmatically sometimes ( spend money now get more money over time or spend money now and try to capitalize now ) or considering how your army would fair against another by (cont)
slysci5 1 year ago
@slysci5 considering things like total damage per second , total life , splash damage aoe etc. things like AP and GPs can come into effect here. reptitive on the other hand is your math teacher giving you a list of 20 problems which are basically the smae thing just with the numbers slightly askew and telling you to do them over and over. you can quite litterially teach a child how to use excel and he will never be unable to finish his math homework provided he can do 1
slysci5 1 year ago
@coldfusion1111
Books teach you something? Weak argument to many respects.
Possibly speed-reading, and decreasing melanin intake? I don't think is a good thing for the types of jobs we need (engineering, science, biology, etc). What does Huckleberry Finn teach boys about human values and compassion? Mindless hours of addictive page-turning is all I see in repetitive patterns. After all, why imagine and use your own mind to visualize when books as eye candy are so compelling as a comparison?
ElDeclan 1 year ago
Right, schools don't work for boys ... or at least: Not any more, now that they are feminized beyond all recognition.
photoallergic 1 year ago
I was surprised at my college graduation that about 75% of the woman graduated with honors, and only about 10% of the men. That is not an exaggeration.
margittarget 1 year ago
I love educative games, nothing better in life!
xilliah 1 year ago
Clearly this lady went to the school of ``declare my arguments by fiat``.
lnanji 1 year ago
@lnanji The point of espousing a viewpoint is not to waffle on details, cover your butt, and avoid drawing any conclusions. Yes, open-mindedness to the possibility you are wrong is critically important for rational thought, however when you believe something, stand behind it firmly until presented with a solid reason not to. After all, if you do not even advocate your own views, then you risk lacking the strength to make decisions, and you will rarely be heard or respected.
LotsOMovies 1 year ago
TED talks are getting worse.
clorofilazul 1 year ago
11 years after the premiere of "Fight Club" and we haven't learned anything about the culture of men...just sad.
8legsFreak 1 year ago
I agree with this video 100% and I wish people (teachers/parents) would realize what they are doing.
WingMan011 1 year ago
And no, games are not the answer. They are irrelevant and implemented in any way like this would inevitably and invariably lead to further breakdown of societal cohesion, general sense of morality and self-consciousness, and humanness in general. As the comment at the top points out, males need to "do stuff," not sit around becoming effeminate, self-loathing and thoroughly divorced from reality.
regresseur 1 year ago
However good intentioned I found this patronizing, insulting and at times idiotic. The "problems" she talks about are not the root problem, they are merely symptoms of it, and of course the problems will keep returning if the root cause is never actually dealt with. That women are the ones constantly going up and giving talks on this sort of issue is just one of the countless signs of what the core problems really are.
regresseur 1 year ago