I think Billie Joe has a very chesty timbre, with some difficallty reaching head voice. I've heard him on the "Dookie" album. He has no head voice in the intire album. He is defenetly a Baritone without using head voice or mixed register. I would compare him to me, because as I am a Baritone (Bass 1 in the Ponaganset High School Chorus) I have very limited vocal range. The best I can do without the powerful falssetos is Whistle voice.
@Teddyrockstheworld1 we said he's not a baritone and explained why, he's close to the baritone voice but he's still a tenor, he used to sing in baritone range till the Warning album, but if you hear him in the last 2 albums he pretty exploits a tenor range with tenor quality which would be hard to achieve even for the best baritone, (Billie doesn't seem to use so much of vocal technique). Anyway dookie album is a tricky one, he really sounds like a light baritone there.
let's thank goodguitarsolos and his thugs for the good amount of bullshits they brought here, at least we don't get bored, from now on comments well be moderated
@anakin000234 yeah I know him, he's just lucky to have been born with the right voice, after 4 years of struggling in vain I've come to this conclusion, singing is all about to have the right voice and range. To be or to be not.
@anakin000234 you ain't the only one, if you talk to Georish he doesn't know anything about vocal technique, chest voice, head voice, break, that's all turk to him (not greek to him cause he's greek). That's one of the many example that confirms that if you wanna be a singer you have to be born singer
What is Billy Joes' vocal range? Is he like bari-tenor or what? I think the highest I've heard him go is up to like G4. I can sing comfortably between G2 and D4, but I can go up to (without falsetto) G4 and down to D2, but it sounds kinda breathy and scratchy. Is there a way where I can sing that full range of D2-G4 comfortably?
@TheKulrai I'm now quite sure billie joe is a low tenor, as you can hear from this videos he can sing comfortably in the E4-A4 range in his legit voice which is a pain in the ass for almost any sort of voice cause it's the the point where most male singers have the "break" between legit voice and falsetto, if you can hit a D2 that's a very bass note, you may be a bass baritone, in that case the only way to go up is to reinforce your falsetto, i'm in your same boat mate
@TheKulrai I'm a high baritone too and can't sing confortably these green day songs, that's more than enough to label billie as a tenor, I'm taking singing lessons now in order to make me feel the E4-G4 range confortable, baritone voice is a hard nut to crack for almost most of rock styles, but the way to go is the mixed registers and the reinforced falsetto, it's a long way but if you have a good teacher it might be possible one day, I'm in the same position and I know it's hard
@chojinkid Not true: there are many baritones who can hit really high notes, it just requires practice. Guys like Chris Cornell have soared up to 5th octave thousands of times and are DEFINITELY baritones, just trained ones.
Armstrong sounds like (untrained) low tenor to me. His high notes are pretty strained and baritonish but his timbre in general is pretty boyish and he struggles to get down to 2nd octave in general.
@GoodGuitarSolos many baritones doesn't mean all baritones, singing green day songs that stay on the passaggio for long are heavy for a baritone, singing entire chorus on notes like E4,F4,F#4, or G4 I mean. Billie is very fluid and clean on those notes and doesn't sound mixed voice up there, I'm pretty sure he swicthes to mixed around G#4 but not earlier, baritones can go high in head voice, but this is not head voice,depends on the quality you wanna obtain, only tenor can be that fluid there
@chojinkid I can agree that it can be hard for untrained baritone to have hard times around E4-G4 area (even lower) BUT with good technique baritone can have really easy times even around A4s.
Armstrong's rasp sounds like stylistic choice. He can apply it whenever he wants to do it (and he certainly wants to have that rock-edge on hard rock songs) but can also go up there in cleaner voice.
in fact I think with the appropriate train an A4 can be even easier for a baritone than a F4, but the range from E4 to G#4 even for a trained baritone cannot be handled for long, it's a critical point, and that's where billie normally sings most of his songs so I think he just feels naturally confortably up there, maybe cause he's a tenor or probably cause it's just his area, I really die and cannot even finish a song like going to pasalaqua or static age, I feel better singing roxanne of Sting.
@GoodGuitarSolos actually I haven't heard billie straining from the nimrod period when he used to go on stage drunk or drugged, now he's very smooth on the 4th octave, his voice is thin althought it's not light, he strains when he does that raspy voice close to the 5th octave, but that sounds cool and doesn't seem to get fatigued, as long as you sound good and last long during a concert that's fine I guess.
@GoodGuitarSolos cornell is not a baritone, c'mon, listen to his interviews, his spoken is bright, not baritonal at all, but by someone who thinks daltrey is a baritone, and many light tenors low tenors I couldn't expect anything right ;)
@chojinkid If you call Chris Cornell a tenor, you have NO idea about voice types in general. Sorry, you just lost all your credibility.
You called Billie Joe Armstrong "probably a high baritone" too, that proves that you have no idea about voice types. It is clear as a day that Armstrong has much higher voice than Cornell or Daltrey.
@GoodGuitarSolos well you lost credibility long time ago when I first saw your "voice types" in your site, I think you americans in general don't have an idea about the difference between a tenor and a baritone, there's no way daltrey is a baritone, same thing with cornell, a baritone has a low and deep voice unlike cornell and daltrey who have bright and high tessituras all the time, but whatever floats your boat mate, but lemme tell you that there's nothing worse than being a deaf musician
@chojinkid Americans? First off, there is like one true American among us and two of Brits who live in America. So yeah, you don't even know our locations.
Cornell? Bright and high tessitura? Oh no, you clearly haven't even heard his singing, you retarded fruitcake. Cornell has REALLY deep timbre and you can hear that well in songs like "When I'm Down", "You Know My Name" or "Rusty Cage". He uses powerful mixed voice but he is definitely a baritone. Now run along, kid, you don't know anything.
@GoodGuitarSolos you're deaf man,I told you, but if it makes you feel happier you're free to think that even michael jackson is a baritone and barry white a soprano, it doesn't really prevent me from having my daily meal.
@chojinkid Speaking voice alone doesn't judge singers and Cornell is definitely a baritone, you alone are fighting against the baritone ideology which is a shame. Armstrong alone has higher voice than Daltrey or Cornell, stating otherwise proves how wrong you are.
@chojinkid Michael Jackson is a high tenor whereas Barry White is a bass, you tool. Get your facts right before trying to state them, you are living in denial with your false definitions of voice type. At least there are lots of us who agree about Cornell and Daltrey's voice types, you alone came to the forum and started talking shit with nobody supporting your ideologies. You must be so pissed off that you can't accept the fact that they are baritones. Stop playing.
@chojinkid Also, have you even heard Daltrey's singing? He has rough and deep, purely baritonish timbre which can be heard in tunes like "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Free Me". Daltrey is really high baritone but DEFINITELY a baritone. I'm not sure how you'd think something else but hey... What would we expect from a guy who calls Armstrong's high notes pure chest voice, head voice or falsetto? Nothing, because those are 100% mixed voice.
@GoodGuitarSolos he doesn't have a low and deep voice, clear up your ears, the fact that a singer uses a raspy voice it doesn't mean he's a baritone, I know the who very well, and he's not a baritone, his timbre is bright and sings high most of the time
@chojinkid Man, you really don't know how to arguement. And yes, he has deep and low voice naturally, he just can go high.
"I know the who very well" - It seems like you don't. And what the fucking hell does singing high have to do with voice type? This alone proves that you don't have any point to your arguements, you just won't give up even though you are wrong. Once again, compare those two voices to REALLY low tenor that is Michael Bolton. Bolton has much raspier but still higher voice.
@GoodGuitarSolos go get a woman I said, and if you can't cause you're too ugly there are hookers on streets, you might even find a hooker singer who can fix your distorted ideas of voice types.
@chojinkid Compare Cornell's singing (baritone) to Sting's singing (tenor), for example. Sting has MUCH brighter and lighter voice and goes up there naturally whereas Cornell doesn't. Then compare Cornell's singing to Chad Kroeger's singing (baritone): both of them have same voice types, you dumb boy.
@GoodGuitarSolos and do you wanna compare daltrey and cornell with true baritones like johnny cash, mark knopler, eddie vedder, david coverdale and axl rose? the latest are way far deeper and you can hear form their speaking that they have a low voice, sting is a tenor of a different color and different singing techniques than daltrey and cornell, but vocally are all tenors, just different style, man go get a woman cause you seem very sexually frustrated
@chojinkid How can you know that I don't have a woman already? I'm frustrated because jackasses like you who only post one video in Youtube (which has inaccurate information in general) pretend to know everything. Cornell and Daltrey are baritones, the end.
Coverdale has actually a bit higher voice than Cornell, you tool. Both of them are baritones and that is the point. Axl Rose is a low baritone so it isn't a surprise that he has lower voice than Cornell. Both of them are baritones though.
@MetallAndy F4 is a bitchy note, I can go a little higher but that's not a confortably range for me either, not enough for singing green day at all, I'm trying to hone my falsetto too from F4 on, and see if I can make it sound fuller, that's the curse of all baritones who wanna sing rock unfortunately
@chojinkid Yeah. Luckily my band plays a lot in Drop-C so I'm able to sing our songs. When I sing in falsetto I can get up to an E5, but then I sound like a crying baby XD
@chojinkid - the highest note here is a scream at Bb4 - not exactly super high. Most of his "high notes" are G#4 and thats right smack in "middle voice" or "mixed voice".
For a classically trained tenor the Bb4 is high but in Rock vocals its rather low. High notes would be anything over C5 - super high notes are over E5
@RocktheStageNYC he's an untrained tenor as a matter of facts, just like the most of the pop or rock singers you hear, notes like F4 and F#4 are very hard for an avarage baritone, cause they normally top around G4 in chest voice
@chojinkid - not quite. The majority of professional singers, especially Gold & Platinum selling artists who do big tour take vocal lessons. They have to - its the only way to learn how to preserve your voice doing shows night after night for months. They just don't talk about it. I have coached a few major label artists and I had to sign legal documents saying I won't disclose their name in public.
@RocktheStageNYC you'd never hit a E5 or a G5 in chest voice dude, here we're talking about high notes in pushed chest voice which are the most wearisome even for a trained singer, I know BJA very well and it doesn't strike me that he ever used head voice or mixed voice in his career, I might be wrong but he's famous for pushing his chest voice like any punk singer and that's it.
@chojinkid - I never said one could hit E5 or G5 in chest voice "dude". But BJA is singing in mix and head voice in certain songs. It just sounds like his chest voice because the tone is very heavy. I know trained voices when I hear them and his voice is WAY too polished to not have had some training. Take someone like Johnny Rotten or Henry Rollins and you are talking about untrained Punk singers.
@RocktheStageNYC johnny rotten has a lower tone than BJ but sings higher than him, and sounds very polished too, and he still has all his voice well preserved, if he hasn't been trained he'ìs just talented cause when he used sing with P.I.L he had a great voice in my opinion, anyhow what do you mean by "the tone is very heavy"?
@chojinkid - well if you need an explanation of what vocally "heavy" means, you really don't have the qualifications to talk about vocal technique. Its a very common term.
@chojinkid that doesn't make BJA a baritone anyway like someone stated here, the fact that he sounds very polished in his passaggio proves that he's a tenor (not light of course, but dramatic yes), he doesn't have a low voice, BJ could sing much higher if he wanted, but punk rock and pop punk don't really require super head voice high notes, you have a much lower voice than him and you are a real baritone I guess
@chojinkid Armstrong uses mixed voice for almost all of these high notes, to be honest. Pure chest voice would maybe be one of those really strained (and slimy-sounding) screams that sound like they are destroying his throat. Those clean G#4s and A4s were definitely just clean mixed voice.
By the way, Armstrong gets quick full C#5 in the live cover of "Rock and Roll".
@GoodGuitarSolos I disagree that he uses mixed voice in these notes, but whatever floats your boats mate, but lemme tell you that 90% of voice types you mentioned in your site are fucking wrong.
@chojinkid Do you even know what mixed voice is? 90% of notes hit by Armstrong are mixed voice up there, same with many other singers.
Calling Cornell and Daltrey "tenors" and Armstrong's notes "pure chest, head voice or falsetto" means that you have already lost the arguement. A shame.
@skvrko well apparently you're wrong, if you pay attention to live concerts and interviews he doesn't have a low voice, and these songs I've posted are very high and tough to handle for a baritone, if you wanna listen to real baritones listen to eddie vedder from pearl jam, axl rose from G&R or david coverdale from ex deep purple or whitesnakes
@chojinkid yea i saw many of his interviews but i saw lots of where his voice was really low, too low for tenor, he is just pushing his chest too much, straining too much, that's what makes his voice more warmer and thinier
@skvrko .....and I'd add, when he sings low songs such as whatshername, noone knows, rotting he doesn't have baritone quality, he lacks of volume in those notes and he's only around the C2, a baritone has great volume and body down to G2 at least (I can hit an E2). He sounds baritonish in album like dookie and insomniac but that's a studio voice, live he never had a low voice and often sings around the E4 G#4 range pretty naturally
@chojinkid sometimes sounds naturally, but sometimes is flatting in the pitch, it depens on level of his warm up ... just look at interview 10 question for billie joe, there is even F2 in his epaking voice that's too low for tenor ....
@skvrko you can't make a comparison by listening to his speaking, when you speak you can easily speak low even if you're a light tenor, many tenor dubbers when they mimmick cartoon characters make a low voice , that doesn't make them baritones, billie joe when reaches picthes like G2 or F2 in his speaking he's in vocal fry, the problem is keeping a F1 while singing with a decent volume, too bad he loses compression already when he sings whathsername (where the lowest note is a C2),
@chojinkid if he was whole show pushing high notes, then it's hard to sing low notes, and about that lightness i don't think billie joe has got light voice to me it seems more like he has too much vocal weigth on it ... yea sorry for bad language :)
@skvrko he doesn't have a light voice I agree, but it's not low either, basically there are 3 sort of tenors, light tenor (the highest, see robert plant, bruce dickinson, ozzy osbourne, sting etc), lyrical tenor (middle tone, see freddie mercury, paul Mccartney etc) and dramatic tenors (or low tenor, baritenor etc) I think billie can be identified with the last category, he's close to the baritone tone but he's still a tenor
@skvrko the fact that he never really sung baritone notes and his great agility in the range between E4 and A4 in chest voice is the smoking gun that he's a tenor, and the color of his voice tells that he's a dark tenor, i don't know if you sing, baritones have the break around Eb4 after that you need to switch to head voice, if you strain after that a baritone gets raspy and gritty (see bruce springsteen, he's a baritone who strains), billie on the contrary is very fluid and clean in that range
@chojinkid to me it sounds like he has his break to mix or head below F#4 when i listen that homecoming F#4 it sounds too whiny but it's true that going to pasalaqua and static age sound really chesty
@skvrko F#4 is where a light tenor breaks normally, but in modern music even a low tenor can push the chest voice up to an A4 I guess, and that's the highest note I heard from billie in chest voice, and it still sounds very clean and fluid, I'm a high baritone and my break is around Eb4, I can push my chest voice up to a yelled raspy G4 (after that I really have no more notes and need to switch to falsetto ).
@chojinkid - if you are getting stuck and yelling at G4 you are not letting the sound "thin out" slightly to keep going/ You are in other words "Pulling Chest" to high. For the voice to continue into middle/mixed voice you must start bringing in some head resonance while maintaining the cord closure of chest register. This allows the voice to blend into head resonance with no discernible break or switch in sound.
@skvrko as a high baritone I really have a hard time singing going to pasalaqua cause I don't have the G#4 in my chest range, and it's sung in a way it's almost impossible to do it in head voice, jesus of suburbia is another one, 5 minutes singing repeatedly notes like E4 F4 and F#4, that's the point where a tenor breaks, and for a baritone is the worst spot of the range to keep cause it's the limit in chest, I had to lower the key half step down and yet they feel highish for my baritone voice
@chojinkid - hitting E4-F#4 should be relatively easy for a baritone or a tenor. They should be able to sing those all day. IF they have the proper training. Yes between E4 and F#4 is the typical passagio for most male voice but if you proper appogio the break disappears. Proper breath support eliminates passagio.
@skvrko if he strained he would be voiceless and full of nodules (like dexter holland did) and wouldn't have lasted for so long, he's not a high tenor that's for sure, but a low tenor yes definitely, I'm a high baritone and can't handle these songs, too high and risky, a strained baritone wouldn't go higher than a yelled G4, his voice is really fluid in the range which goes from E4 to A4, never gets raspy, and he doesn't sound to switch to head voice either, so he's definitely a tenor
@GreenXSaw these notes he's singing here are freaking hard to pull off, especially if you happen to have a low voice, they are hard to handle in the long term, metal high notes are normally pulled off in falsettone which is a full and powerfull falsetto so they are phisically much easier than these to keep cause the load on your throat gets much lighter when you switch to falsetto (or full head voice) billie is very talented
@skatertumen if you read my caption in this video he's gradually singing higher and higher, in the last part he's singing higher than we're the champions, (see highway to hell and stuff)
anyway for a guy even the first songs of the video are high in chest voice if repeated like he always does, a F4 is a bitch of a note along with F#4 and G4 if you don't know how to handle the break
@skatertume mmmm you sound unfamiliar with singing terms and vocal techniques, if you knew something about it you would understand what I wrote, anyway when a note begins to be high for a male singer and hard to handle that's called "vocal break" it normally begins around Eb4 for baritones, and F#4 for tenors, that's the hardest spot of our vocal range to handle cause it's too high for chest register (the one we use for speaking) and too low for head voice or falsettone
very high notes are normally easier cause you switch register, metal songs are sung in falsettone most of the times, which is a reinforced falsetto which sounds full, billie joe armstrong is a a master of the break, he has an amazing agility and never shows fatigue, therefore for the type of voice you need to use for green day songs hell yes, they are high, and if you push and strain in those notes you're gonna fuck your cords (like I've almost dobe with mine) hope it's cleare now
I would say tenor/high bariton, just because I am a girl with a low contralto vocal range, actually very close to tenor. Green day songs are very easy for me to sing.
@WonkaInSlaughterzone I'm a baritone and have a hard time singing the new album, along with some american idiot songs, they 're too high for me and can't have the same agility as his in these high notes in the video, that's what makes me thing that he's actually a low tenor and not a baritone, wonkaln can you also sing songs like rotting, mechanical man and whatshername?
@chojinkid I just tried, and I can sing them. Normally when I sing to a piano I can sing from C3 (130.81 Hz ) to D5 (587.33 Hz). Sometimes even a bit lower. It's actually very similar to a lyric tenor, but since I am girl I am still a contralto, because I miss some deepness. As far I have no problems with anything from american idiot and 21st century breakdown
@WonkaInSlaughterzone the last 2 albums are highish, so you don't have any problems if you are a tenor, just the low songs you might lack of depht and sustain, but even BJ live does sometimes, wow a woman with a lyrical tenor range, do you have any recording I canl listen to?
@chojinkid I don't have any on you tube, I plan to put something on my channel in the future. When my voice is less cracky. But since i am girl I think it's not right to describe my voice as tenor. Okay I can hit those notes but I miss the deepness that men have. I think it's more correct to say that I am a dramatic contralto with a wide low range.
@WonkaInSlaughterzone sure you ain't a tenor if you're a woman, the tenor I mentioned was generally speaking, I meant that if you're a tenor you feel less fatigue for green day songs, even if lacking of depth in his very low bass songs, but very seldom you hear billie joe going lower than a C3, although he can hit a pretty good G2 while speaking. Anyway a standard tenor can cover 100% of green day songs, if you're a low tenor even better so you can preserve the warmth that BJ has
@chojinkid I don't know exactly wich notes I hit when I talk, it lies somewhere around the A2, but not all the time cause that'll be boring. although I can hit almost the same notes as BJ I sound different, you still hear I am girl.
@skatertumen an A4 and a B4 are not high notes for you? he doesn't have a low voice anyway, after listening to the new bootlegs from the 21st century breakdown tour I'm more in the low tenor theory
yep, he has a unique voice, and a great range too,he can cover 2 octaves and a half, not sure whether he's using head voice or chest voice in these high notes, one thing is for certain, he's improved a bunch since american idiot, and covering his new songs is a struggle
I think Billie Joe has a very chesty timbre, with some difficallty reaching head voice. I've heard him on the "Dookie" album. He has no head voice in the intire album. He is defenetly a Baritone without using head voice or mixed register. I would compare him to me, because as I am a Baritone (Bass 1 in the Ponaganset High School Chorus) I have very limited vocal range. The best I can do without the powerful falssetos is Whistle voice.
Teddyrockstheworld1 4 months ago
@Teddyrockstheworld1 we said he's not a baritone and explained why, he's close to the baritone voice but he's still a tenor, he used to sing in baritone range till the Warning album, but if you hear him in the last 2 albums he pretty exploits a tenor range with tenor quality which would be hard to achieve even for the best baritone, (Billie doesn't seem to use so much of vocal technique). Anyway dookie album is a tricky one, he really sounds like a light baritone there.
chojinkid 4 months ago
BILLIE IS THE BEST. NICE VIDEO :D
BJGreenDay95 7 months ago
I LOVE THAT VIDEO. BILLIE'S THE BEST
BJGreenDay95 7 months ago
let's thank goodguitarsolos and his thugs for the good amount of bullshits they brought here, at least we don't get bored, from now on comments well be moderated
chojinkid 7 months ago
What's the song at 1:37?
MabbittAndArmstrong 7 months ago
@MabbittAndArmstrong going to pasalaqua
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Thanks:3
MabbittAndArmstrong 7 months ago
you should listen to Drama Queen by them
JoostVanKommer 8 months ago
I think the singer of "far as hell" (they cover green day) has a bit the same voice :p you should look it up :)
anakin000234 9 months ago
@anakin000234 yeah I know him, he's just lucky to have been born with the right voice, after 4 years of struggling in vain I've come to this conclusion, singing is all about to have the right voice and range. To be or to be not.
chojinkid 9 months ago
@chojinkid yeah i wish i could sing like that too :p would be cool :D
anakin000234 9 months ago
@anakin000234 you ain't the only one, if you talk to Georish he doesn't know anything about vocal technique, chest voice, head voice, break, that's all turk to him (not greek to him cause he's greek). That's one of the many example that confirms that if you wanna be a singer you have to be born singer
chojinkid 9 months ago
in the eeeeyyyyoooooo part he always starts masturbating X)
jonaslove951 10 months ago
Billie Fucking Joe Armstrong
NatWolff43567890 1 year ago
What is Billy Joes' vocal range? Is he like bari-tenor or what? I think the highest I've heard him go is up to like G4. I can sing comfortably between G2 and D4, but I can go up to (without falsetto) G4 and down to D2, but it sounds kinda breathy and scratchy. Is there a way where I can sing that full range of D2-G4 comfortably?
TheKulrai 1 year ago
@TheKulrai I'm now quite sure billie joe is a low tenor, as you can hear from this videos he can sing comfortably in the E4-A4 range in his legit voice which is a pain in the ass for almost any sort of voice cause it's the the point where most male singers have the "break" between legit voice and falsetto, if you can hit a D2 that's a very bass note, you may be a bass baritone, in that case the only way to go up is to reinforce your falsetto, i'm in your same boat mate
chojinkid 1 year ago
@TheKulrai I'm a high baritone too and can't sing confortably these green day songs, that's more than enough to label billie as a tenor, I'm taking singing lessons now in order to make me feel the E4-G4 range confortable, baritone voice is a hard nut to crack for almost most of rock styles, but the way to go is the mixed registers and the reinforced falsetto, it's a long way but if you have a good teacher it might be possible one day, I'm in the same position and I know it's hard
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid Not true: there are many baritones who can hit really high notes, it just requires practice. Guys like Chris Cornell have soared up to 5th octave thousands of times and are DEFINITELY baritones, just trained ones.
Armstrong sounds like (untrained) low tenor to me. His high notes are pretty strained and baritonish but his timbre in general is pretty boyish and he struggles to get down to 2nd octave in general.
GoodGuitarSolos 9 months ago 10
@GoodGuitarSolos many baritones doesn't mean all baritones, singing green day songs that stay on the passaggio for long are heavy for a baritone, singing entire chorus on notes like E4,F4,F#4, or G4 I mean. Billie is very fluid and clean on those notes and doesn't sound mixed voice up there, I'm pretty sure he swicthes to mixed around G#4 but not earlier, baritones can go high in head voice, but this is not head voice,depends on the quality you wanna obtain, only tenor can be that fluid there
chojinkid 9 months ago
@chojinkid I can agree that it can be hard for untrained baritone to have hard times around E4-G4 area (even lower) BUT with good technique baritone can have really easy times even around A4s.
Armstrong's rasp sounds like stylistic choice. He can apply it whenever he wants to do it (and he certainly wants to have that rock-edge on hard rock songs) but can also go up there in cleaner voice.
GoodGuitarSolos 9 months ago 2
in fact I think with the appropriate train an A4 can be even easier for a baritone than a F4, but the range from E4 to G#4 even for a trained baritone cannot be handled for long, it's a critical point, and that's where billie normally sings most of his songs so I think he just feels naturally confortably up there, maybe cause he's a tenor or probably cause it's just his area, I really die and cannot even finish a song like going to pasalaqua or static age, I feel better singing roxanne of Sting.
chojinkid 9 months ago
@GoodGuitarSolos actually I haven't heard billie straining from the nimrod period when he used to go on stage drunk or drugged, now he's very smooth on the 4th octave, his voice is thin althought it's not light, he strains when he does that raspy voice close to the 5th octave, but that sounds cool and doesn't seem to get fatigued, as long as you sound good and last long during a concert that's fine I guess.
chojinkid 9 months ago
@GoodGuitarSolos cornell is not a baritone, c'mon, listen to his interviews, his spoken is bright, not baritonal at all, but by someone who thinks daltrey is a baritone, and many light tenors low tenors I couldn't expect anything right ;)
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid If you call Chris Cornell a tenor, you have NO idea about voice types in general. Sorry, you just lost all your credibility.
You called Billie Joe Armstrong "probably a high baritone" too, that proves that you have no idea about voice types. It is clear as a day that Armstrong has much higher voice than Cornell or Daltrey.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago 3
@GoodGuitarSolos well you lost credibility long time ago when I first saw your "voice types" in your site, I think you americans in general don't have an idea about the difference between a tenor and a baritone, there's no way daltrey is a baritone, same thing with cornell, a baritone has a low and deep voice unlike cornell and daltrey who have bright and high tessituras all the time, but whatever floats your boat mate, but lemme tell you that there's nothing worse than being a deaf musician
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Americans? First off, there is like one true American among us and two of Brits who live in America. So yeah, you don't even know our locations.
Cornell? Bright and high tessitura? Oh no, you clearly haven't even heard his singing, you retarded fruitcake. Cornell has REALLY deep timbre and you can hear that well in songs like "When I'm Down", "You Know My Name" or "Rusty Cage". He uses powerful mixed voice but he is definitely a baritone. Now run along, kid, you don't know anything.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago
@GoodGuitarSolos you're deaf man,I told you, but if it makes you feel happier you're free to think that even michael jackson is a baritone and barry white a soprano, it doesn't really prevent me from having my daily meal.
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Speaking voice alone doesn't judge singers and Cornell is definitely a baritone, you alone are fighting against the baritone ideology which is a shame. Armstrong alone has higher voice than Daltrey or Cornell, stating otherwise proves how wrong you are.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago 2
@chojinkid Michael Jackson is a high tenor whereas Barry White is a bass, you tool. Get your facts right before trying to state them, you are living in denial with your false definitions of voice type. At least there are lots of us who agree about Cornell and Daltrey's voice types, you alone came to the forum and started talking shit with nobody supporting your ideologies. You must be so pissed off that you can't accept the fact that they are baritones. Stop playing.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago 3
@GoodGuitarSolos saying that daltrey is a baritone is equivalent to say that white is a soprano, do the math, you're a tool
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Also, have you even heard Daltrey's singing? He has rough and deep, purely baritonish timbre which can be heard in tunes like "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Free Me". Daltrey is really high baritone but DEFINITELY a baritone. I'm not sure how you'd think something else but hey... What would we expect from a guy who calls Armstrong's high notes pure chest voice, head voice or falsetto? Nothing, because those are 100% mixed voice.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago
@GoodGuitarSolos he doesn't have a low and deep voice, clear up your ears, the fact that a singer uses a raspy voice it doesn't mean he's a baritone, I know the who very well, and he's not a baritone, his timbre is bright and sings high most of the time
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Man, you really don't know how to arguement. And yes, he has deep and low voice naturally, he just can go high.
"I know the who very well" - It seems like you don't. And what the fucking hell does singing high have to do with voice type? This alone proves that you don't have any point to your arguements, you just won't give up even though you are wrong. Once again, compare those two voices to REALLY low tenor that is Michael Bolton. Bolton has much raspier but still higher voice.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago
@GoodGuitarSolos go get a woman I said, and if you can't cause you're too ugly there are hookers on streets, you might even find a hooker singer who can fix your distorted ideas of voice types.
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Compare Cornell's singing (baritone) to Sting's singing (tenor), for example. Sting has MUCH brighter and lighter voice and goes up there naturally whereas Cornell doesn't. Then compare Cornell's singing to Chad Kroeger's singing (baritone): both of them have same voice types, you dumb boy.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago 2
@GoodGuitarSolos and do you wanna compare daltrey and cornell with true baritones like johnny cash, mark knopler, eddie vedder, david coverdale and axl rose? the latest are way far deeper and you can hear form their speaking that they have a low voice, sting is a tenor of a different color and different singing techniques than daltrey and cornell, but vocally are all tenors, just different style, man go get a woman cause you seem very sexually frustrated
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid How can you know that I don't have a woman already? I'm frustrated because jackasses like you who only post one video in Youtube (which has inaccurate information in general) pretend to know everything. Cornell and Daltrey are baritones, the end.
Coverdale has actually a bit higher voice than Cornell, you tool. Both of them are baritones and that is the point. Axl Rose is a low baritone so it isn't a surprise that he has lower voice than Cornell. Both of them are baritones though.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago
I can't go higher than F4. The only way is if I sing in falsetto
MetallAndy 1 year ago
@MetallAndy F4 is a bitchy note, I can go a little higher but that's not a confortably range for me either, not enough for singing green day at all, I'm trying to hone my falsetto too from F4 on, and see if I can make it sound fuller, that's the curse of all baritones who wanna sing rock unfortunately
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid Yeah. Luckily my band plays a lot in Drop-C so I'm able to sing our songs. When I sing in falsetto I can get up to an E5, but then I sound like a crying baby XD
MetallAndy 1 year ago
i like it when he says heyo
its sounds so clean cut
what about whatsername?
biddy96 1 year ago
@biddy96 in whatshername you hear his bass notes
chojinkid 1 year ago
what's the song at 0:22 ?
bam4everandalways 1 year ago
@bam4everandalways "Homecoming" from the American Idiot album
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid thank you :D
bam4everandalways 1 year ago
@bam4everandalways GTFO
richardg136 1 year ago
there's no high notes
skatertumen 1 year ago
@skatertumen try to do what he's doing here, shoot a video and post it here
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid - the highest note here is a scream at Bb4 - not exactly super high. Most of his "high notes" are G#4 and thats right smack in "middle voice" or "mixed voice".
For a classically trained tenor the Bb4 is high but in Rock vocals its rather low. High notes would be anything over C5 - super high notes are over E5
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC he's an untrained tenor as a matter of facts, just like the most of the pop or rock singers you hear, notes like F4 and F#4 are very hard for an avarage baritone, cause they normally top around G4 in chest voice
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid - not quite. The majority of professional singers, especially Gold & Platinum selling artists who do big tour take vocal lessons. They have to - its the only way to learn how to preserve your voice doing shows night after night for months. They just don't talk about it. I have coached a few major label artists and I had to sign legal documents saying I won't disclose their name in public.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC you'd never hit a E5 or a G5 in chest voice dude, here we're talking about high notes in pushed chest voice which are the most wearisome even for a trained singer, I know BJA very well and it doesn't strike me that he ever used head voice or mixed voice in his career, I might be wrong but he's famous for pushing his chest voice like any punk singer and that's it.
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid - I never said one could hit E5 or G5 in chest voice "dude". But BJA is singing in mix and head voice in certain songs. It just sounds like his chest voice because the tone is very heavy. I know trained voices when I hear them and his voice is WAY too polished to not have had some training. Take someone like Johnny Rotten or Henry Rollins and you are talking about untrained Punk singers.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC johnny rotten has a lower tone than BJ but sings higher than him, and sounds very polished too, and he still has all his voice well preserved, if he hasn't been trained he'ìs just talented cause when he used sing with P.I.L he had a great voice in my opinion, anyhow what do you mean by "the tone is very heavy"?
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid - well if you need an explanation of what vocally "heavy" means, you really don't have the qualifications to talk about vocal technique. Its a very common term.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC maybe in your language! english is not my native language :)
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid that doesn't make BJA a baritone anyway like someone stated here, the fact that he sounds very polished in his passaggio proves that he's a tenor (not light of course, but dramatic yes), he doesn't have a low voice, BJ could sing much higher if he wanted, but punk rock and pop punk don't really require super head voice high notes, you have a much lower voice than him and you are a real baritone I guess
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid Armstrong uses mixed voice for almost all of these high notes, to be honest. Pure chest voice would maybe be one of those really strained (and slimy-sounding) screams that sound like they are destroying his throat. Those clean G#4s and A4s were definitely just clean mixed voice.
By the way, Armstrong gets quick full C#5 in the live cover of "Rock and Roll".
GoodGuitarSolos 9 months ago 5
@GoodGuitarSolos I disagree that he uses mixed voice in these notes, but whatever floats your boats mate, but lemme tell you that 90% of voice types you mentioned in your site are fucking wrong.
chojinkid 7 months ago
@chojinkid Then you have no idea about voice types in general.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago 3
@chojinkid Do you even know what mixed voice is? 90% of notes hit by Armstrong are mixed voice up there, same with many other singers.
Calling Cornell and Daltrey "tenors" and Armstrong's notes "pure chest, head voice or falsetto" means that you have already lost the arguement. A shame.
GoodGuitarSolos 7 months ago 3
omg billie hasn't tenor quality voice :D he's baritone im pretty sure
skvrko 1 year ago
@skvrko well apparently you're wrong, if you pay attention to live concerts and interviews he doesn't have a low voice, and these songs I've posted are very high and tough to handle for a baritone, if you wanna listen to real baritones listen to eddie vedder from pearl jam, axl rose from G&R or david coverdale from ex deep purple or whitesnakes
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid yea i saw many of his interviews but i saw lots of where his voice was really low, too low for tenor, he is just pushing his chest too much, straining too much, that's what makes his voice more warmer and thinier
skvrko 1 year ago
@skvrko .....and I'd add, when he sings low songs such as whatshername, noone knows, rotting he doesn't have baritone quality, he lacks of volume in those notes and he's only around the C2, a baritone has great volume and body down to G2 at least (I can hit an E2). He sounds baritonish in album like dookie and insomniac but that's a studio voice, live he never had a low voice and often sings around the E4 G#4 range pretty naturally
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid sometimes sounds naturally, but sometimes is flatting in the pitch, it depens on level of his warm up ... just look at interview 10 question for billie joe, there is even F2 in his epaking voice that's too low for tenor ....
skvrko 1 year ago
@skvrko you can't make a comparison by listening to his speaking, when you speak you can easily speak low even if you're a light tenor, many tenor dubbers when they mimmick cartoon characters make a low voice , that doesn't make them baritones, billie joe when reaches picthes like G2 or F2 in his speaking he's in vocal fry, the problem is keeping a F1 while singing with a decent volume, too bad he loses compression already when he sings whathsername (where the lowest note is a C2),
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid if he was whole show pushing high notes, then it's hard to sing low notes, and about that lightness i don't think billie joe has got light voice to me it seems more like he has too much vocal weigth on it ... yea sorry for bad language :)
skvrko 1 year ago
@skvrko he doesn't have a light voice I agree, but it's not low either, basically there are 3 sort of tenors, light tenor (the highest, see robert plant, bruce dickinson, ozzy osbourne, sting etc), lyrical tenor (middle tone, see freddie mercury, paul Mccartney etc) and dramatic tenors (or low tenor, baritenor etc) I think billie can be identified with the last category, he's close to the baritone tone but he's still a tenor
chojinkid 1 year ago
@skvrko the fact that he never really sung baritone notes and his great agility in the range between E4 and A4 in chest voice is the smoking gun that he's a tenor, and the color of his voice tells that he's a dark tenor, i don't know if you sing, baritones have the break around Eb4 after that you need to switch to head voice, if you strain after that a baritone gets raspy and gritty (see bruce springsteen, he's a baritone who strains), billie on the contrary is very fluid and clean in that range
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid to me it sounds like he has his break to mix or head below F#4 when i listen that homecoming F#4 it sounds too whiny but it's true that going to pasalaqua and static age sound really chesty
skvrko 1 year ago
@skvrko F#4 is where a light tenor breaks normally, but in modern music even a low tenor can push the chest voice up to an A4 I guess, and that's the highest note I heard from billie in chest voice, and it still sounds very clean and fluid, I'm a high baritone and my break is around Eb4, I can push my chest voice up to a yelled raspy G4 (after that I really have no more notes and need to switch to falsetto ).
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid - if you are getting stuck and yelling at G4 you are not letting the sound "thin out" slightly to keep going/ You are in other words "Pulling Chest" to high. For the voice to continue into middle/mixed voice you must start bringing in some head resonance while maintaining the cord closure of chest register. This allows the voice to blend into head resonance with no discernible break or switch in sound.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@skvrko as a high baritone I really have a hard time singing going to pasalaqua cause I don't have the G#4 in my chest range, and it's sung in a way it's almost impossible to do it in head voice, jesus of suburbia is another one, 5 minutes singing repeatedly notes like E4 F4 and F#4, that's the point where a tenor breaks, and for a baritone is the worst spot of the range to keep cause it's the limit in chest, I had to lower the key half step down and yet they feel highish for my baritone voice
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid - hitting E4-F#4 should be relatively easy for a baritone or a tenor. They should be able to sing those all day. IF they have the proper training. Yes between E4 and F#4 is the typical passagio for most male voice but if you proper appogio the break disappears. Proper breath support eliminates passagio.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@skvrko if he strained he would be voiceless and full of nodules (like dexter holland did) and wouldn't have lasted for so long, he's not a high tenor that's for sure, but a low tenor yes definitely, I'm a high baritone and can't handle these songs, too high and risky, a strained baritone wouldn't go higher than a yelled G4, his voice is really fluid in the range which goes from E4 to A4, never gets raspy, and he doesn't sound to switch to head voice either, so he's definitely a tenor
chojinkid 1 year ago
I thought that high notes, was light O.o' You know like.. a little bit off a very light girly voice or something? xD
GreenXSaw 1 year ago
@GreenXSaw we're talking about male high notes here, not girly squeels nor metalhead falsettos
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid Aaah okay x'DD
GreenXSaw 1 year ago
@GreenXSaw these notes he's singing here are freaking hard to pull off, especially if you happen to have a low voice, they are hard to handle in the long term, metal high notes are normally pulled off in falsettone which is a full and powerfull falsetto so they are phisically much easier than these to keep cause the load on your throat gets much lighter when you switch to falsetto (or full head voice) billie is very talented
chojinkid 1 year ago
in this video he singing high only at "we are the champions"
skatertumen 1 year ago
@skatertumen if you read my caption in this video he's gradually singing higher and higher, in the last part he's singing higher than we're the champions, (see highway to hell and stuff)
anyway for a guy even the first songs of the video are high in chest voice if repeated like he always does, a F4 is a bitch of a note along with F#4 and G4 if you don't know how to handle the break
chojinkid 1 year ago
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skatertumen 1 year ago
@skatertume mmmm you sound unfamiliar with singing terms and vocal techniques, if you knew something about it you would understand what I wrote, anyway when a note begins to be high for a male singer and hard to handle that's called "vocal break" it normally begins around Eb4 for baritones, and F#4 for tenors, that's the hardest spot of our vocal range to handle cause it's too high for chest register (the one we use for speaking) and too low for head voice or falsettone
chojinkid 1 year ago
very high notes are normally easier cause you switch register, metal songs are sung in falsettone most of the times, which is a reinforced falsetto which sounds full, billie joe armstrong is a a master of the break, he has an amazing agility and never shows fatigue, therefore for the type of voice you need to use for green day songs hell yes, they are high, and if you push and strain in those notes you're gonna fuck your cords (like I've almost dobe with mine) hope it's cleare now
chojinkid 1 year ago
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skatertumen 1 year ago
@skatertumen nevermind, peace out
chojinkid 1 year ago
I would say tenor/high bariton, just because I am a girl with a low contralto vocal range, actually very close to tenor. Green day songs are very easy for me to sing.
WonkaInSlaughterzone 1 year ago
@WonkaInSlaughterzone I'm a baritone and have a hard time singing the new album, along with some american idiot songs, they 're too high for me and can't have the same agility as his in these high notes in the video, that's what makes me thing that he's actually a low tenor and not a baritone, wonkaln can you also sing songs like rotting, mechanical man and whatshername?
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid I just tried, and I can sing them. Normally when I sing to a piano I can sing from C3 (130.81 Hz ) to D5 (587.33 Hz). Sometimes even a bit lower. It's actually very similar to a lyric tenor, but since I am girl I am still a contralto, because I miss some deepness. As far I have no problems with anything from american idiot and 21st century breakdown
WonkaInSlaughterzone 1 year ago
@WonkaInSlaughterzone the last 2 albums are highish, so you don't have any problems if you are a tenor, just the low songs you might lack of depht and sustain, but even BJ live does sometimes, wow a woman with a lyrical tenor range, do you have any recording I canl listen to?
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid I don't have any on you tube, I plan to put something on my channel in the future. When my voice is less cracky. But since i am girl I think it's not right to describe my voice as tenor. Okay I can hit those notes but I miss the deepness that men have. I think it's more correct to say that I am a dramatic contralto with a wide low range.
WonkaInSlaughterzone 1 year ago
@WonkaInSlaughterzone sure you ain't a tenor if you're a woman, the tenor I mentioned was generally speaking, I meant that if you're a tenor you feel less fatigue for green day songs, even if lacking of depth in his very low bass songs, but very seldom you hear billie joe going lower than a C3, although he can hit a pretty good G2 while speaking. Anyway a standard tenor can cover 100% of green day songs, if you're a low tenor even better so you can preserve the warmth that BJ has
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid I don't know exactly wich notes I hit when I talk, it lies somewhere around the A2, but not all the time cause that'll be boring. although I can hit almost the same notes as BJ I sound different, you still hear I am girl.
WonkaInSlaughterzone 1 year ago
where's high notes? thats maybe, high-baritone, baritone, but not really high
skatertumen 1 year ago
@skatertumen an A4 and a B4 are not high notes for you? he doesn't have a low voice anyway, after listening to the new bootlegs from the 21st century breakdown tour I'm more in the low tenor theory
chojinkid 1 year ago
he is just talented!
QuickAtTheKeys 1 year ago
yep, he has a unique voice, and a great range too,he can cover 2 octaves and a half, not sure whether he's using head voice or chest voice in these high notes, one thing is for certain, he's improved a bunch since american idiot, and covering his new songs is a struggle
chojinkid 1 year ago
@chojinkid Couldent agree more! haha
QuickAtTheKeys 1 year ago