i SOOOO agree with aaalll the things you said in your video... i think it's an unislamic act and i feel that those sisters do not live up to the hadeeth that says that we do not have iman until we love for our brother / sister what we love for ourself.. it seems so selfish and i really don't respect it and i do not understand it.... i would go NUTS if it was me!!!
Muslim should revive the Sunnah of Allahs messenger The sunnah of marrying more than one woman. His explaination was : "That the woman of the believers are sitting at home the age to get married has passed and in some houses their are 10 women of which some has reached the ages of 40 and 50 and still aren't married and we have imitated the west in this regard and we keep hearing there bad characters and the confusion that they incite to stop t
Your faith says you can marry up to four wives if you can serve them JUSTICE EQUALLY!
You have just LIED to yourself, and to your wives if you think equal justice is really served to all of them. ALLAH is just trying to test your faith and Lustiness, and you failed, because with only ONE wife many times justice is not being served!
My body likes polygamy but my CONSCIENCE won't let me!
Old muslims are just like mormons in america, man may marry two or more wives. I wanna be both muslim and mormon. Let's make love all of us together as we wish. What a very nice faith of religion. I am not a liar. I love them all. I have money, I can afford for more. women love me, we love everyone, we all have sacred sex, in one room, and then another one waing for sacred sex in the next room. I am not greedy and selfish, you are just jealous. I love my wives and the women over there! Lust!
And sisters do not be decieved by the tricks of shaytaan! Polygamy is frm the Sunnah! It is frm the speech of Allaah and how can a sunnah or an ayah decrease your imaan?! How can it decrease your imaan when they are the very sources that are to be used to perfect it(imaan)!!! Know sisters that Allaahs knowledge and wisdom can not be challenged by our own desires and by what the west believes!! Return to your religion!
@yushaabdullah who are you to say its sunnah when the prophet didnt even say its sunnah...he was married to khadija for 25 yrs and he didnt take any other wife only after her death so why u saying polygamy is sunnah?
i think people, sadly including ignorant muslims, should stop thinking ill of the Prophets(peace be upon him) marriage with the mother of believers Aa'isha(may Allaah be pleased with her) know you not that he(peace be upon him) did only what he was commanded?! He recieved the rulings from his Lord! Dare you assume you know but your Lord does not! Allaah is The All Knower All Wise!!!
Sounds like your Perception of God is flawed and perverted. I think the Satan tells people to be pedophiles. God protects kids not subjects them to intercouse when they are 9yo with a old man of 54yo.
that was 1400 years ago in a different country in a different time!! dont take your standards and use them to judge people who lived that long ago. and it wasnt just arabs that practised this, it happened all over the world even in england!! also girls at that time matured much faster than girls these days.
@malakoz you pedophle supporters always claim girls then matured faster. That is complete nonsense. What proof do you have. Infact the trend is that girls today mature much faster as a result of all the growth hormones and steriods in meat products and milk. Provide any proof from any university text book on human anatomy that supports what you say.
By all standards sex with a single digit aged girl by a man who is 54 is pedophilia according to the DSM manual in mental disease.
dont use the standards of today to judge people 1400 years ago whether she was matured for her age or not!! keep you standards, culture, beliefs to yourself and dont judge what you dont know!!
@malakoz We can use the standard of Holiness and righteousness. What is honorable never changes. The truth never changes. Evil never changes. Sex with children is evil right? It is evil today, and it was evil yesterday and it will be evil 1400 years from now and it was evil 1400 years ago.
AND DONT BLAME ISLAM FOR THE SINS AND FAULTS OF THE PEOPLE ....ISLAM IS PURE...YOU FIND SEX ADDICTS AND PERVERTS ....THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SENTENCES....
SO ALL YOU PPL WHO MAKE ISLAM LOOK LIKE A SEX OUTTING AND LIKE MUSLIM WOMEN ARE SEX SLAVES U DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THE REAL ISLAM IS ABOUT I WILL ADVISE U TO START SEARCHING....
The Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam has stated, " The greatest sin amongst all sins in the eyes of Allah, is of a person, who marries a woman and divorces her once his needs have been fulfilled and also usurps her dowry in the process. Secondly, is a person who after having employed somebody usurps their pay. Thirdly, is a person who kills animals for no apparent reason."
o muslim sisters do not be mislead by the demands of your husband! if you are not happy in polygamy there is away out!!! Allah loves us he has not force anything upon us and he does not want to hurt us if polygamy effects ur imaan then u can leave in order to protect it and what matters in the end? our imaan!!!..also if your husband asks you to do somthing haraam you MUST refuse in order to obey Allah ....
Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be REBELLIOUS admonish; banish them to their couches, and BEAT THEM. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great."
@KillinDaWelfareMCs And if ye fear that they may not be able to keep the limits of Allah (to deal with each other fairly), in that case it is no sin for either of them if the woman ransom herself (by returning what the husband provided). These are the limits (imposed by) Allah. Transgress them not. For whoso transgresseth Allah's limits: such are wrong-doers." (Qur'an 2:229).
MY PROOF..... And if ye fear that they may not be able to keep the limits of Allah (to deal with each other fairly), in that case it is no sin for either of them if the woman ransom herself (by returning what the husband provided). These are the limits (imposed by) Allah. Transgress them not. For whoso transgresseth Allah's limits such are wrong-doers." (Qur'an 2:229)
KADDIE pls stop talking nonsense... u talk without proof.... wers ur quranic ayaat that says there shud be a good reason to take 4 wives? u can simply take 4 wives if ull be jus wit all of them even if its only for the sex....and u cant just say somthing is sunnah if the prophet didnt say it is wu r u to say it??? POLYGAMY ALLOWED yes but dont go on like its fardh like women have to acept it coz even tht thy dont have to deal with...i wil advise u to go learn the proper islam nt ur desire islam
The husband is not to stay away from his wife or keep his wife in a state of suspense, whether at home or abroad, for a protracted period of time except with her consent. Allah said: "Turn not away (from your wife) altogether, so as to leave her hanging. If you come to a friendly understanding and practice self-restraint, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Merciful" (4:129) this stupidity of men who marry here and der that contry this country leaving their wives alone think they r not doing wrong...
So, brothers be advised 2 go about this the right way and the sisters will welcome poly, many widows will be preserved cuz they wuld welcome 2 be married again; don't view poly as "my husband doesn't love me enough so he's takin another wife" - that is not the purpose of poly and there shuld be a good reason for it; not just to amass more wives.
Poly marriage is a Sunnah and a right but it's not fardh. Sisters don't accept it usually cuz the brothers go about it wrong, but if done properly, it's a blessin 4 every1 involved. We have no right to require a husband to promise not to do poly; cuz it's halal and we don't have the right to make something haraam that's halal.
which hadith or quraan verse says polygamy is sunnah...the prophet said MARRY and multiply YOUR KIDS NOT MULTIPLY UR WIVES he was married t khadija r.a for 25 yrs he only took other women after she passed away...
A MAN Myt HAV MANY WIVES BT HIS HEART CN ONLY LOV 1 THAT MUCH..... {And if you fear that u will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four.} [Quran 4:3] and
· {And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so].} [Quran 4:129] [Quran 4:3] The Prophet, , said: “If a man has two wives and he favors one of them, he will come on the Day of Judgment with a slanting side.”
and if he takes another wife if the first aint happy its her choice to leave and give back his mehr money and there will be no sin on her no women is forced to be in polygamy!! polygam polygamy polygamy WHAT HAPPENED TO TAHAJJUD? SALAAH? FAST? so u open the quraan and all u c is POLYGAMY
you i was single and 10 men wanted me im now married and ten men still want me wana know why? no not because they care but simply coz ill be a great sex partner WAKE UP this isnt the time of the prophet this is the times of ignorance so instead of focussing on wanting another womens husband try to ask Allah for your own....he said polygamy is allowed but he also said MAKE DUA AND ILL HELP YOU AND ITS NOT HIS RIGHT its his choice .....
@lambuponthethrone - Isalam came to free slaves and it did that in many ways, if you want to discover slavery in so called Westren civilization you don't need to back 1400 years ago, just read the history of slavery in USA every in late 70's. Read how white christians sold and bought slaves, read how Islam came to end and free slaves while white christians used the bible to justify slavery.
@shadikhan25 Slavery is bad. However the slave trade in Europe and america lasted for about 300 years, 10% of slaves died in transportation,slaves were mainly for working on the farms,They were allowed to marry and have children.Slavery in Islam lasted for 1300 years; and is still continuing in countries like sudan.In dubai and abu dubai it's called employment. In Saudi, philipino maids are sexual slaves. Slaves in islam were for sex; males were castrated, 80% died in transportation
In the west, slavery is stronger than it has ever been..it is called capitalism. Big companies by law can stamp a contract which u cannot breach and if u do then by law u will be punished. The banks who paid a severe price have doomed millions of innocent people in the west. U are blind to think the west is free of slavery.
@SolidTube911 slaves dont have a choice of signing anything they are bought and sold. My father is a teacher and before he will hire a sub-teacher to help him they need to sign a contract to agree to work for a semester. This contract is made so the sub-teacher cant just leave and my father all of a sudden have no help. Slaves are not bound for a few months. Also some arabs still have literal slaves they hire a black maid than enslave her force her to provide sex if they dont they go to jail.
@FernandoTorrera no capitalism is slavery in modern terms. When u sign a contract u are obliged to keep it...theres a debate in world football with FIFA on players contracted to play and when they are not happy and whants to leave, they cant cause they are contracted and if breached could face stupendous fine or inmprisoment. If arabs still hire black slaves then so do black people on other blacks. Infact africa is home to more black slaves than anywhere else in the world
@SolidTube911 modern slavery has become sex slavery of kids and women who receive pay if theyre lucky.There is a documentary about dark african maids being hired by an arab man they expect only to be a maid then he slowly forces them into bed and if they escape they are sent to jail as "illegals". In some jobs you need to sign a contract because the employer is investing in you and cant have you just leave, imagine if a teacher just left their students in a semester. A contract is not for life.
I know of a man who has four wives, has so many children he never see's them or provide's for them financially but, he deos see the wives when he wants sex....now...that's not right. who would want a man like that...child neglect and no love. hope i don't marry a man like that....i would rather die!
@granny835: "man who has four wives, has so many children he never see's them or provide's for them financially - he deos see the wives when he wants sex."
HIslam the MAN-made / MALE-serving myth.
Sounds great to males! I love my wife and would never hurt her by cheating on her by collecting up to three additional sex partners.
Weak males try to display power and virility by producing many children. Children is easy to make. Who supports his sex results? He FAILS as a FATHER.
Unless a man's first wife is barren, terminally ill, or the other lady who he is looking to get married to is a widow, homeless, or something of that nature, I do not know why a man would want to get married to a second wife, especially in the times of ignorance that are upon us...I find it disturbing that the sister in the blog would say,"Polygamy is not for you if you cannot love Allah and His Messenger"...Following the noble virtues and character of Rasul (saw) is far more important than tht.
@ColdVolcano22 I ain't using "feelings" You ARE correct. I am using conjecture, based on my education/knowledge in chemistry, microbiology, physics, probability.
@ColdVolcano22 Can a God exist? Yes. Chances are greater that a God exists than life happened by accident, survived, fed and reproduced. There would be no reason to reproduce.
I am agnostic but cannot be atheist.
Would it not be horrible if Islam were not absurd myth?
I'd hate to interrupt and waste time sticking my butt up 5 times a day to stroke Allah's big ego. My wife would hate compressing her hair andefeating her body's cooling wearing the ridiculous hijab or niqab.
@robertgift using your logic and understanding, I don't believe that you exist and if you do I believe that your words came from your butt not from your mouth which is an accident? Because Allah perfected his design even with your imperfect design.
@ColdVolcano22 posts: "...i was 19 i left Islam and became an Atheist..."
One who dares to THINK and be DISCERNING would leave "HIslam" the absurd MAN-made / MAN-serving myth which oppresses women.
As a scientist, we are surrounded by evidence that God exists. A single-cell animal is impossibly complex, has countless complex systems which enable it to survive, feed, reproduce. If accidentally developed, it has no reason to reproduce. Man invents religions to try to explain God.
@robertgift you're right mate, numbers are NOT evidence for what is the true, because the vast majority of mankind now are deaf dumb and blind lost animals like yourself.
who have no purpose in life, but to leave behind their weak worthless dna.
Believing the MAN-made / MAN-serving myth, HIslam,agically creates "purpose"?
HIslam is for non-thinkingullibles to FOLLOW and OBEY. To dutifully do their worthless rituals and burden their women with absurd, hot coverings.
None of my friends "live like animals". Or is my pet pot-bellied pig, poodle, parrot, canary living in our house "living like animals". My ex Muslim girlfriend also liked and played with Piganini. Was fun.
@abdullahalmahmood "there is an epidemic of converts to islam leaving islam?"
Why attribute your statement to me?
She and a Muslim friend said that many are leaving. They would know.
She says the "newbies" don't know better. It is those who really know Islamyth who leave. She says many newbies eventually realize the absurdity, and just leave. We don't learn of them.
Same with the Christian and MORmON myth believers. They leave.
hold on, so you believe that a illiterate arab bedouin [saw] from the 6th century, who could not even do the simplest of mathematics, or write his own name was such a genius that he woke up one day and decided to make up a myth which would shackle trillions of people till the 21st century.
"say (oh muhammad[sa]) wait till the end, for i am waiting along with you, then you hsall know who guided and who was deluded"
Yes. All religions are man-made myth, fairy tales, superstitions with laughable, worthless rituals (man-choreographed "plays", complete with costumes and memorized lines.)
Sure, Allah has a big ego and wants everyone to bow down with butts up 5 times a day. Why not the magic number of 7 or 12 times times a day?
And God wants women burdened with wearing ridiculous, hot covering. That's why they don't have hair on their heads. Fun myth!
@robertgift A l l a a h [ s. w. t] does not want bad for his slaves he made.
because he says in his revelation
he is not pleased with disbelief for his slaves, so they meet him and he punishes them, Allaah does not want that, but he does not force guidance on people, he gives them a free choice.
religion is very easy, there is no burden involved in it, if a person cant pray standing, he can pray sitting, if not whilstb on the bed.
as a woman I must say I have a strong sex drive so when I hear the argument that these men need to fulfill higher sex drives than what woman have is non sense...I think that woman when they are respected by their husbands will have a great desire for that man...I know I do, but my husband is a christian who is loving toward me...
There are some question that should be answered. 1)Polygamy is allowed only for rich men? It's not easy support two wives in theses days. 2)Can a rich woman have more than one husband? I don't remember if the koran forbids that.3)What about sex? Only one woman can have sex as many time as the husband wants until he get tired and satisfied every day because women love, like, need and want sex the same way the men do. Do the other wives should be in need?
@JOESANS2USA From what I have researched and what my husband has told me, the answer to your questions are as follows. 1) Polygamy is only allowed if the man can afford to support all of his wives equally. In theory, no wife should have to sacrifice her comfort level for the other.
@JOESANS2USA 2) A woman cannot have more than one husband under any circumstances. The official reasoning for this is that it would interfere with her ability to do her duties as a wife as her emotions would be difficult to share among more than one husband. Aside from that, if/when she becomes pregnant, it would be difficult to see who the father is. The reality is that NO MAN will accept his wife to sleep with another man.
@crumpetsrcool of course not, it goes against the very nature of any human to share their spouse with another. God created us to be two halves of one whole, therefore, when one half becomes a third or even less it causes much pain and a great loss of inner peace. As a woman, if my husband was having sex with another woman, I would feel that he was not satisfied with me and as such, I would just want to divorce him feeling rejected and worthless.
@Dymphna7811 I agree with what you said and i'm not opposed to polygamy since its halal however I prefer monogamy as my aunt was in a polygamous marriage herself and said that she was hurt when her husband favoured his others wives over her he often neglected her and which made her leave the marriage she divorced and is now very happy with her new husband she said that if she stayed any longer she would of been very miserable. She said herself that she is happier in a monogamous marriage.
@crumpetsrcool I can most certainly feel for your aunt please tell her that she was a saint for having the strength to live in this type of relationship for as long as she did. It takes a special inner strength that I myself do not have. I am grateful that she has found happiness with her current husband. May God bless her.
@Dymphna7811 thanks sister I will tell her that she is such a strong women even though she went through that at just age 15 she still smiles and laughs her 2nd husband treats her with so much respect he understands fully what she went through he is the genuinely kind, caring ,loving husband unlike her x husband who mistreated her .sadly some men still hold old fashioned views about women and treat them like second class citizens.
@Dymphna7811 another thing sister some men are very insensitive when it comes to the needs of women especially psychological, physical,emotional needs of a women for example they don't care about the physical pain a women goes through when giving birth ,they don't care about the wife's feelings they fail to understand things from a sisters point of view. they don't get that polygamy was allowed in the first place to protect women e.g the prophet married widows he had his reason marrying them.
@crumpetsrcool exactly. Many men believe that the allowance of polygamy means that it is a freedom but I have been lucky to marry a man who understands the true intention of the verse. It basically means, if you MUST practice polygamy, then this is the way it should be done. My husband says that the best application is if a man dies leaving his wife and children behind and his brother marries the woman as his second wife to preserve the family IF she is happiest this way.
@Dymphna7811 another thing sister some men are very insensitive when it comes to the needs of women especially psychological, physical,emotional needs of a women for example they don't care about the physical pain a women goes through when giving birth ,they don't care about the wife's feelings they fail to understand things from a sisters point of view. They don't get that polygamy was used in the first place to protect women.The prophet also had his reasons 4 marrying several wives.
@JOESANS2USA 3) this is a matter that is technically up to the man. He is allowed to visit all his wives on the same day but the majority of his day must be with the wife who the day belongs to. Technically, he could have sex with his other wife while he is visiting with her. Many consider this as rude but the final choice is up the the man. The other wives have no say. Their opinion and feelings do not matter at all. Their job is to obey the man.
@crumpetsrcool actually what I have read stipulates that he must attempt to satisfy her sexual desires but there is no sin or harm on him if he fails to do this. He is only obligated to try.
@JOESANS2USA Basically, from a female point of view, polygamy is incredibly selfish on the man's side. The poor woman just sits and waits for her turn. The man has no understanding at what this feels like. She must obey him in everything and cannot even leave her home without his permission.
Allah didnt change his word never,his word is the Quran, in the Quran there are a restorations of all the books of Allah,include Torah and Gospel,well your bible is not what Allah revealed,its a book of history of the past and these stories have been modified in cording a Luciferin taste,and then it come out to public,Muhammad peace upon him hes the last prophet of Allah,hed done what Allah told him , who deny this prophet deserve punishment in this world and hell in the hereafter .
Also, I believe people should be free to make their own choices and any woman who does not WANT to be part of a polygamous marriage should never be expected to. I get so sick to hear men speaking about how weak women are because we get jealous of our husband with another woman. My response.....NAME one man who would accept his wife to sleep with another man without becoming insanely jealous! Women who are in these type of relationships are either trapped with no choice or saints.
@Dymphna7811 Exactly. How do you expect a woman to be happy to see her husband and the man she loves so much sleep with another woman, spend his money on her, have his kids by her? What the hell else do they expect? Most women just TOLERATE polygamy, but they damn sure are not happy with it.
I'm sorry but if GOD had originally intended marriage to involve more than one man and one woman, GOD would have created Adam and Eve, and Eve, and Eve, and Eve. Humans were created as two halves who although they are whole as individuals, they are greater as one whole as a married couple. GOD is meant to be at the center of the marriage and the married couple are supposed to pray together as one! Without this, the marriage is no different than any other civil contract.
@Dymphna7811 I think polygamy also weakens a onnection between a husband and wife. Once another woman is brought into the relationship, it takes away from what you have with him as his love is split between you and her. It also limiits the trusts. How can I be intimate with a man and tell him all my secrets, while he does the same with another? Instead your marriage becomes a competition as he will always compare you with her.
@misscamara12 agreed. You are completely correct that polygamy definitely DOES weaken the connection between husband and wife. From a practical aspect, what if the "other" wife gets some type of infection and the "husband" spreads it to his 1st wife via sex? Not just STD's can be spread this way but other infections such as yeast as well. It is not as simple as some men like to make it.
@Dymphna7811 Exactly! They like to SIMPLIFY it and it is not simple. One relationship, especially a marital relationship with kids is complex enough. Men only look at their needs and say oh we women are just be jealous and need to put up and shut up. They are usually the type who are womanizers. Most polygamous men have those characteristics.
@misscamara12 While it is impossible to know what is in the hearts of men and it does not apply to all, it appears to me that some laws of Islam give the men an excuse to not exercise self restraint. As honorable women, we control our behaviors and actions. We see things that may be attractive to us, but we avoid it because we know that it is a temptation. We are sexually attracted to other men, but we control ourselves.
@misscamara12 I am a Christian married to a Muslim and as such I have studies BOTH beliefs a great deal. Islam looks at marriage as a simple legal contract with specific requirements and Christianity considers it a Sacrament where GOD is placed at the center. "What God has brought together, let no make take apart." When the man brings another woman into the marriage, he does just this. It goes against GOD's original creation and who is the man to say that GOD was wrong?
@Dymphna7811 Sometimes I feel like these male scholars (almost all are male) interpret the Quran in a biased way to favor men. They only pick out the verse that says marry 2, 3, or 4". Then it goes on to say "if you an do justice." Then it says, "you will never be able to do perfect justice even if you desire" to paraphrase.
@misscamara12 exactly, I have read those verses and what I read indicates that yes, you can marry up to 4 wives but you must be equally fair to all of them and it goes on to state that NO man can be completely equal and fair. Even the Muslim Profit Muhammad acknowledged that he alike other men were unable to control their hearts in these matters.
@Dymphna7811 That is a contradiction, because if Allah SWT had said that no man can be equal and fair, then why would he command polygamy? The real meaning is to be equal materially and physically but no man can be completely equal in his heart.
@furrybunnies1 What you say is technically correct in the way Islam is practiced. A man must be equal materially and physically but no man can be fair in matters of the heart. He can only appear fair. As a respectable woman, I would rather live without a man than to have a man who shares himself with another woman. This was NOT the way God created us. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve and Eve and Eve and Eve.
@furrybunnies1 If I am not loved by my husband, then I don't want him! Some women accept the practice and that is their choice. Men are violent by nature and therefore they cause wars, kill, murder, lie, and dominate. This is why there are more women than men in some areas. It is NOT by God's creation, it is by man's free will. Polygamy is man's way of making up for their violent nature and offering women SOME type of comfort while satisfying their own physical desires.
@Dymphna7811 Some scholars have even come out to say that since the Quran says that you can only marry up to 4 if you an do justice, and then it says you cannot do this, so it actually encourages monogamy. It clearly states that a man can never be just between his wives. So some of these scholars say it actually forbids polygamy as you can only do it with the condition of justice, which is not possible as you will not love them them equally. One will always come first.
@misscamara12 You are correct. From what I have read, at the time of early Islam, many men had many many wives. Men liked to collect them and would use them for what they wanted then abandon them. At the time, to limit the number to 4 was very reasonable. It gave the women who were wives at least a chance to have a marital relationship. However that does NOT mean that polygamy is the way of GOD. It was only an improvement.
As salam alaikum, I appeal to every sound Muslim with some Islam in their hearts and those without any sense and understanding of their deen to look at this in sha Allah. youtube.com/watch?v=dMp8h7ucTWk
@muslimalways Please, cut it with your propganda with this brainwashed woman. Polygamy is not a pillar of islam. It is nt fard. It is an OPTION so that makes it a CHOICE. NOT everyone has to make the SAME choice. So, would you say that MEN who do not want to practice polygamy have no Iman? Or wait, you will say they are controlled by their wives. Maybe you cannot fathom the though of a man loving one woman and being satisfied with her.
@misscamara12 I am not just talking about sex but also love. To paraphrase from a Quranic verse, Allah put love an mercy between a husband and wife. Loving one woman does not make you a wimp. You don't need to sex many women to prove you're a man brother.
@misscamara12: No one is suggesting this. In your twisted mind you think that if a brother takes a second wife on your "head" the brother doesn't love you and this is flawed reasoning. This is not from our deen. You cannot put one foot in and one out of Islam and attempt to twist ayats of this deen how you feel.
@muslimalways So you mean to tell me polygamous men love all their wives equally and don't favor one over the other. Please, there will ALWAYS be only ONE that has his heart. he may have some love for the rest, but it will certainly not be equal. Even the prophet (s.a.w.) could not do this. One will always have preference. It is very hard for a man to not show his preference. He cannot love two different women equally.
@misscamara12: Brainwashed woman? no sister, YOU are the one who is brainwashed. No one suggests that a man practicing monogamy has no Eeman. My issue with you is you reject ayats from the Noble Quran. When you do this is a dangerous area.
@muslimalways Nope, just b/c a woman doesn't want polygamy for HERSELF does not mean she does not believe it is allowed and halal. Everyone will not share your opinion so you need to get over yourself. Polygamy is not fard (obligaory) so a woman also has the right to choose whether she wants that or not depending on the situation. Do you mean to tell me every woman should just put up and shut up if her husband decides to marry again?
@misscamara12: Every sound practicing sister should accept polygyny except if the husband is doing something that goes against Islamic law. Of course the woman has emotions and her desires will try to get in the way but she should do her best to submit to Allah. Obedience to Allah azza wa jal comes first. Secondly, almost every woman would want her husband for herself, agreed! However, I'm opposing your rebellious and fanatical approach towards the issue. You called your muslim sis brainwashed.
@muslimalways Nope, not every woman should acept polygamy. You refuse to admit that men don't practie it fairly and are deluded into thinking you can make all your wives get along and live happily ever after. Say a woman an her husband are struggling financially, should she accept her husband adding a new wife to their marriage? You don't understand people's situations and are just another selfish man like most men pushing polygamy.
@misscamara12: Young Lady, when I evaluate your text I cannot see you as a Muslim. Thus it is useless speaking to a non Muslim on this issue. Tawheed needs to be the starting point in sha Allah.
@muslimalways Every situation is different and some men are not capable and should not do it, butt still do it anyway. A woman has the right to decide whether to stay or not. You are nobody to say that they are wrong for that. You don't understand people's situations. I think polygamy is just a FANTASY most men have and don't realize the real implications it has.
@misscamara12: Once again if the man cannot do justice then he marries only one! If he cannot then don't. I'm speaking for brothers who can and sisters like you who rebel even if the brother can do justice. Secondly, you need a good reason for divorce and simply because a brother practices polygyny is not a valid excuse for divorce particularly if it involved mere rebelliousness on the sister's part.
@muslimalways No, you are just biased and assume it is just jealousy which make women reject polygamy. If you look at it from a male perspective, of course you will not be able to see the bad side of it. A brother can never really do justice in polygamy. It is just not realistic and impossible. You will always treat your favored wife over the less favored. That is a fact. A man's wives will never be equal in his eyes. One will always come first. That is not justice.
@misscamara12: You are thinking with your desires and not what is practical for mankind. It's either you become a mistress, public property, a zani etc. All the best in finding your "prince charming" knight and armor okay. Our discussion is not going anywhere. You want to oppose the sunnah of Allah, that is between you and Him on judgement Day.
@muslimalways The majority of muslim men have 1 wife anyway. If you want to be a superman and save all the women go ahead. See how far you'll get. You'll wake up from your fantasy soon.
@muslimalways Oh, maybe you cannot fathom the idea of a woman making her own money and taking care of herself without a man. You don't need to worry about every single woman in the world. Worry about what you can do and let people live their life. Many women find one husband and that is the makeup of the majority of muslim marriages. Get back to the real world. How many men marry widows and needy women? Nope most marry young girls for sex when they reach midlife crisis.
@muslimalways If men REALLY do it to help women, marry the ones who need it. Yet you like to say he can marry the 2nd for any reason. So, obviously is just for the man's pleasure and not helping women. Young single girls have an easier time marrying so help the divorced women and widows with kids who most men overlook. That is what will help women so they don't have to go to desperate measures like prostitution to feed their kids.
@misscamara12 sister, perhaps you may not be aware of this, but the whole reason why Allaah started when regarding polygamy by saying "marry women of your coicein 2s 3s or 4" is because in slam, the norm is polygyny, and the exception is monogamy for men.
because Allaah first said marry 2s 3s or 4s, then he ended with marry one if you fear justice.
this is something you have print in your head, so dont give that business about "its not fard"
@abdullahalmahmood it isn't fard though!!! what's your point??their is no Hadith or verses in the Quran to suggest that polygamy is the norm it was however the norm of the time of the prophet but today monogamy is the norm bcoz men unlike u are now very open minded and value family it is however practised by some parts of the world were their is a shortage of women such as in places were their is war e.g Afghanistan however their are people in the world who abuse this right 2 degrade women!
@crumpetsrcool my point is that a muslim man who is wealthy enough and just enough who marries more than one wife is BETTER and MORE EFFICIENT for the muslim society than a man who has the ability to marry more than one woman both in wealth and justice, but he sticks to one because apparently he doesnt "want" to hurt his wife.
a polygamous man so long as he is just is BETTER than a monogamous man.
@abdullahalmahmood he cares about his wifes feelings thats why he doesn't want to marry and he loves her (i gave you definition of love in my previous post read it apparently your heart is made out of stone.
and it doesn't mean that a man is any better for being polygamous than monogamous thats your opinion at the end of the day we are all Muslims and we will all stand in front of allah and be questioned for our good and bad actions in our lives not 4 having more then one wife!
@abdullahalmahmood Can you explain how a polygamous man is better than a monogamous man? You do realize there are many more ways to help people than marrying another woman right? There is a limit to how many women you an marry or "help" as you like to sugaroat. But there is no limit to how many people you can give a better life to if you have the money. It is much more likely for a polygamous man to be unfair than a monogamous man as he cannot split his heart.
@misscamara12 i'll tell you exactly how a polygamous man is better than a monogamous one. no 1, the polygamous man will have many more children, thus increasing the number of people saying "laa ilaaha illaAllaah", and the prophet[saww] said have many children as i will be proud of you on the last day.
@abdullahalmahmood Allah decides how many children he will give whether polygamous or not. Also, yes it is good to have many children, but it is also important to have the money to take care of them and the time to spend with them and teaching them Islam and other good values. A polygamous man would be a part time father. He will prefer the favorite wife's children over the others thus creating sibling rivalry and unhappy children.
@abdullahalmahmood So all a man has to do is put his sperm in many women to be a good muslim? There is more than just spreading your sperm and being a womanizer. You an have 10-12 children with one woman. If you have 30 children, great, but how well do you know all those children? How will you provide for all those children? Or do you just want many children so you can boast to other men while you probably realistically cannot be a good caring father to all of them.
@abdullahalmahmood You need to come up with a better answer about how a polygamous man is better instead of just spreading his sperm in different women creating numbers of children he cannot take care of. You just want that for your own male ego.
@abdullahalmahmood Due to his different feelings for different wives, a polygamous man is more prone to being unjusting and hurting a wife AND kids. So explain how that is better. How is a man a better man b/c he doesn't mind hurting his wife in order to marry more women? Aren't muslim men supposed to be kind to their wives? If you call a woman your wife, you should be considerate enough to care for her feelings.
@misscamara12 silly ignorant woman, look at you rant about being unjust.
just in a polygamous marraige simply means that the man spends the exact amoutn of time with each of his women, to the extent that he cant even make wudhu in the house of one if her time is up.
if he buys one a pen, he must give the rest a pen worth the same, or buy nothing at all.
@abdullahalmahmood So you think it's easy? Do you have more than 1 wife? I was not only talking about love as that is not in his control? Some things are much easier said than done. There is only ONE woman in a polygamous marriage that is truly happy, which is the one who has his heart. Men are not perfect and they will alwyas show one preferential treatment. One will get more time and money. The favorite wife's children will be more loved than the rest.
@misscamara12 "Aren't muslim men supposed to be kind to their wives? If you call a woman your wife, you should be considerate enough to care for her feelings."
again, ignorance ignorance and ignorance.
the prophet[saww] loved mother Aaishah more than any other woman on the earth, now did he forsake polygamy because of her feelings, she would feel heartbroken, cry all night long when the prophet[saww] married umm salamah, juwayriyyah, saffiyyah, hafsah out of jealousy
@crumpetsrcool listen, Allaah does not base his law for a particular time or place such as arabia, he [s. w. t.] decrees what is best for all of mankind, their needs and responsibilies WILL NEVER CHANGE.
you sound like those ignoramuses who say that we dont have to live according to the shar'i because it was for the ancient muslims.
i truely hope you are not, but you sound like one.
@abdullahalmahmood you don't understand the wisdom behind the verses of Surah Nisa it does not order men to marry up to four wives rather it says that it is a choice and the example of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) is just an example of some of the good reasons why a man can marry up to four wives not to benefit him but to benefit the sisters.
@crumpetsrcool when did i ever say A l l a a h [s. w .t] order men to go out and do it.
but Allaah makes it clear that the norm is polygamy and the exception is monogamy for men that is.
also, a woman in a polygamous marraige and puts up with it for the sake of Allaah is BETTER than a woman who has her husband all to herself and enjoys him alone and feels no pain.
the former woman is like a mujaahidah in the way of Allaah in a battle field.
@crumpetsrcool "their is no Hadith or verses in the Quran to suggest that polygamy is the norm"
lets look at this.
at the time of the blessed prophet[saww], and at the time of the rightly guided caliphs, POLYGAMY WAS THE NORM, at the time of the righteos Salaf, polygamy was the norm, and the time of the rightoes khalaf [those after the salaf], polygamy was the norm, but however, NOW when the muslims are the worst and most pathetic they have ever been, polygamy is very rare, and monogamy
@abdullahalmahmood Polygamy was the norm in JAHIL days BEFORE ISLAM when women were seen as objects with little rights and killing female babies was common. Is that the time you want to return to? Islamic polygamy came to LIMIT polygamy not encourage it as it occurred before Islam. The Quran says one wife is best, and 4 wives was an improvement from the pre-islamic days where there was no limit. If polygamy was so great, do you think women would be against it?
@misscamara12 the young mother of believers [whom Allaah is pleased with] would cry all night long, sob in her bed whenever the prophet[saww] married a new mother of believers.
so did the prophet[saww] turn around and say "oooh my dear wife is jealous, so i shall'nt mary anymore, and cancel my engagement to so and so"
no he didnt, ever hold back because of his wives "feelings" as you say.
this is clear proof you dont know zilch about what you're talking about
@abdullahalmahmood The one you were talking about is Aisha, who is known to be his beloved wife. Stop comparing yourself to the prophet. No man could ever reach his level so get over yourself. If you find women willing to put up with polygamy good for you, most people don't want it and you cannot change that. Calm down and get over yourself.
@misscamara12 YOUR IGNORANCE IS ABSOLUTELY FLABBERGASTING, wallaahi.
polygamy was THE NORM at the golden era of islam, during the life of the prophet[saww] AND the time of the rightly guided caliphs, AND the time of the pious Salafus-saaliheen.
IS THIS NOT ENOUGH PROOF FOR YOU ALONG WITH THE FACT ALLAAH STARTED THE VERSE WITH POLYGAMY because it is the norm.mentioning 2s 3s or 4s, then ended with one
@abdullahalmahmood B/c in the JAHIL days polygamy was the norm. It was gradual before the process gradually died down. I see you ignored that FACT b/c it was something you didn't want to hear unless you are just ignorant about that. Ask any person who knows Islamic history, and they will give you the answer I gave you. Islam came to LIMIT polygamy which was ALREADY the norm NOT introduce it or make it the norm. Stop being in denial.
@misscamara12 so if the prophet[saww] and his companions did not hold back from being polygamous if they were able tobecause of their wives "feelings" when i grow up, if i am able to, why on earth should i hold back from being polygamous?
do we follow the male and female companions, or do we folow the sayings of an ignorant muslim woman who lives in the kuffaar balad, who has zilch knowledge of the religion of Allaah, but rather talks about her female desires.
@abdullahalmahmood there is evidence that monogamy was practised at the time of the prophet for example prophet Adam was married to eve (in case you didn't know we all originated from Adam and Eve. The prophet Muhammad also practised monogamy first before he entered Polygamy. And he married widows (their were many widows at that time) he also married divorcees who had kids already and for political religious reasons what you brother fail to understand is why the prophet practised polygamy.
@crumpetsrcool Exactly. How many men nowadays practice polygamy to marry widows or for political reasons or to spread Islam? They just want more women and more sex period. Anytime they see another attractive sister they want to marry her. Some of these men are using Islam as a way to get "halal mistresses" and be womanizers hiding under the guise of polygamy.
@misscamara12 yep! they reject the example of the prophet Muhammad and the context behind the verses. A while ago I went to a course and the speaker said that marrying merely for sexual gratification is not a valid reason for a man to take a second wife. that's coming from a male speaker. its ridiculous how in this day and age men use and abuse this choice they just to relieve their sexual desires this is wrong on the basis of as the marriage isn't just sex its about compatibilitypost continued)
@crumpetsrcool Yes, it is ridicuous how many men say a man an marry again to fulfill his sexual urge or to prevent him from zina. Does it make sense for a man to make a lifetime commitment to another woman and start a family with her just so he can get more sex? They are treating marriage like a dating relationship. That is why some of them don't last. That is why you have all these older men with mid life crisis marrying girls young enough to be their daughters. It is sick.
@misscamara12 their blinded by lust they can't fight the temptation and they allow their nuffs to take control over their bodies. They don't care about the consequences and the impact its going to have on their wife or their family the only thing they care about is gaining pleasure from sex. I blame pornography and their fathers for not being good role models.
@misscamara12 also men are supposed to be lowering their gaze as it is haram for them to look at women that at non-mah-ram it is very clear today that polygamy is used ,abused and misused for the wrong reasons full stop! according to the uk's sharia council the top ten reasons for divorce is polygamy (btw only a small minority practice polygamy in the UK it doesn't last very long trust me i know people you have been through it!
@abdullahalmahmood Who is stopping you from practicing polygamy? From your comments, you seem to want it so bad that is why any comment by any woman who doesn't want it pisses you off. There are polygamous men who are able to find wives so obviously some women don't mind being in polygamy especially if they are not the first wife. It is easier being 2nd, 3rd or 4th so you can find women who are willing to do that.
VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC SISTER THANK YOU
Mashallah sister, There so many muslim men who do this its disturbing often many children with multiple wives grow up on Welfare in the UK!
SECRET MARRIAGES ARE HARAM but according to SOME DUBIOUS SCHOLARS SAY ITS LAWFUL
nacaaswanacas 22 hours ago
as salamu alaykum dear sister <3
i SOOOO agree with aaalll the things you said in your video... i think it's an unislamic act and i feel that those sisters do not live up to the hadeeth that says that we do not have iman until we love for our brother / sister what we love for ourself.. it seems so selfish and i really don't respect it and i do not understand it.... i would go NUTS if it was me!!!
ghareebahDK 1 week ago
Sheik Salih ibn sad as Suhaymee. Stated that the
Muslim should revive the Sunnah of Allahs messenger The sunnah of marrying more than one woman. His explaination was : "That the woman of the believers are sitting at home the age to get married has passed and in some houses their are 10 women of which some has reached the ages of 40 and 50 and still aren't married and we have imitated the west in this regard and we keep hearing there bad characters and the confusion that they incite to stop t
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ayyubtafs10 1 week ago
sometimes first wives are a secret especially if a muslim marries a white girl from over seas,,,, so its all good :)
cyberthreadforest 1 week ago
@cyberthreadforest secret marriages are haram in islam in islam almost invalid marriage is about honesty ,trust and loyalty
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cyberthreadforest 1 week ago
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Your faith says you can marry up to four wives if you can serve them JUSTICE EQUALLY!
You have just LIED to yourself, and to your wives if you think equal justice is really served to all of them. ALLAH is just trying to test your faith and Lustiness, and you failed, because with only ONE wife many times justice is not being served!
My body likes polygamy but my CONSCIENCE won't let me!
bertulforc1 1 week ago
Old muslims are just like mormons in america, man may marry two or more wives. I wanna be both muslim and mormon. Let's make love all of us together as we wish. What a very nice faith of religion. I am not a liar. I love them all. I have money, I can afford for more. women love me, we love everyone, we all have sacred sex, in one room, and then another one waing for sacred sex in the next room. I am not greedy and selfish, you are just jealous. I love my wives and the women over there! Lust!
bertulforc1 1 week ago
poll-lig-ga-mee???
roliver31483 2 weeks ago
And sisters do not be decieved by the tricks of shaytaan! Polygamy is frm the Sunnah! It is frm the speech of Allaah and how can a sunnah or an ayah decrease your imaan?! How can it decrease your imaan when they are the very sources that are to be used to perfect it(imaan)!!! Know sisters that Allaahs knowledge and wisdom can not be challenged by our own desires and by what the west believes!! Return to your religion!
yushaabdullah 2 weeks ago
@yushaabdullah who are you to say its sunnah when the prophet didnt even say its sunnah...he was married to khadija for 25 yrs and he didnt take any other wife only after her death so why u saying polygamy is sunnah?
muslima2611 1 week ago
i think people, sadly including ignorant muslims, should stop thinking ill of the Prophets(peace be upon him) marriage with the mother of believers Aa'isha(may Allaah be pleased with her) know you not that he(peace be upon him) did only what he was commanded?! He recieved the rulings from his Lord! Dare you assume you know but your Lord does not! Allaah is The All Knower All Wise!!!
yushaabdullah 2 weeks ago
@yushaabdullah So GOD told muhammed to be a pedophile?
Sounds like your Perception of God is flawed and perverted. I think the Satan tells people to be pedophiles. God protects kids not subjects them to intercouse when they are 9yo with a old man of 54yo.
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 week ago
What about pedophilia..
Muhammed was 54yo when he had sex with 9yo aisha.
Do you think that is good?
I think that makes him a pervert.
KillinDaWelfareMCs 2 weeks ago
@KillinDaWelfareMCs
that was 1400 years ago in a different country in a different time!! dont take your standards and use them to judge people who lived that long ago. and it wasnt just arabs that practised this, it happened all over the world even in england!! also girls at that time matured much faster than girls these days.
malakoz 2 weeks ago
@malakoz you pedophle supporters always claim girls then matured faster. That is complete nonsense. What proof do you have. Infact the trend is that girls today mature much faster as a result of all the growth hormones and steriods in meat products and milk. Provide any proof from any university text book on human anatomy that supports what you say.
By all standards sex with a single digit aged girl by a man who is 54 is pedophilia according to the DSM manual in mental disease.
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 week ago
@KillinDaWelfareMCs
dont use the standards of today to judge people 1400 years ago whether she was matured for her age or not!! keep you standards, culture, beliefs to yourself and dont judge what you dont know!!
malakoz 1 week ago
@malakoz We can use the standard of Holiness and righteousness. What is honorable never changes. The truth never changes. Evil never changes. Sex with children is evil right? It is evil today, and it was evil yesterday and it will be evil 1400 years from now and it was evil 1400 years ago.
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 week ago
AND DONT BLAME ISLAM FOR THE SINS AND FAULTS OF THE PEOPLE ....ISLAM IS PURE...YOU FIND SEX ADDICTS AND PERVERTS ....THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SENTENCES....
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
SO ALL YOU PPL WHO MAKE ISLAM LOOK LIKE A SEX OUTTING AND LIKE MUSLIM WOMEN ARE SEX SLAVES U DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THE REAL ISLAM IS ABOUT I WILL ADVISE U TO START SEARCHING....
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
The Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam has stated, " The greatest sin amongst all sins in the eyes of Allah, is of a person, who marries a woman and divorces her once his needs have been fulfilled and also usurps her dowry in the process. Secondly, is a person who after having employed somebody usurps their pay. Thirdly, is a person who kills animals for no apparent reason."
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
o muslim sisters do not be mislead by the demands of your husband! if you are not happy in polygamy there is away out!!! Allah loves us he has not force anything upon us and he does not want to hurt us if polygamy effects ur imaan then u can leave in order to protect it and what matters in the end? our imaan!!!..also if your husband asks you to do somthing haraam you MUST refuse in order to obey Allah ....
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
@muslimah2611 looks like someone is looking for a beating.
surra 4:34
Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be REBELLIOUS admonish; banish them to their couches, and BEAT THEM. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great."
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 week ago
@KillinDaWelfareMCs And if ye fear that they may not be able to keep the limits of Allah (to deal with each other fairly), in that case it is no sin for either of them if the woman ransom herself (by returning what the husband provided). These are the limits (imposed by) Allah. Transgress them not. For whoso transgresseth Allah's limits: such are wrong-doers." (Qur'an 2:229).
muslima2611 1 week ago
MY PROOF..... And if ye fear that they may not be able to keep the limits of Allah (to deal with each other fairly), in that case it is no sin for either of them if the woman ransom herself (by returning what the husband provided). These are the limits (imposed by) Allah. Transgress them not. For whoso transgresseth Allah's limits such are wrong-doers." (Qur'an 2:229)
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
KADDIE pls stop talking nonsense... u talk without proof.... wers ur quranic ayaat that says there shud be a good reason to take 4 wives? u can simply take 4 wives if ull be jus wit all of them even if its only for the sex....and u cant just say somthing is sunnah if the prophet didnt say it is wu r u to say it??? POLYGAMY ALLOWED yes but dont go on like its fardh like women have to acept it coz even tht thy dont have to deal with...i wil advise u to go learn the proper islam nt ur desire islam
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
The husband is not to stay away from his wife or keep his wife in a state of suspense, whether at home or abroad, for a protracted period of time except with her consent. Allah said: "Turn not away (from your wife) altogether, so as to leave her hanging. If you come to a friendly understanding and practice self-restraint, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Merciful" (4:129) this stupidity of men who marry here and der that contry this country leaving their wives alone think they r not doing wrong...
muslimah2611 2 weeks ago
So, brothers be advised 2 go about this the right way and the sisters will welcome poly, many widows will be preserved cuz they wuld welcome 2 be married again; don't view poly as "my husband doesn't love me enough so he's takin another wife" - that is not the purpose of poly and there shuld be a good reason for it; not just to amass more wives.
Kaddie1979 2 weeks ago
Poly marriage is a Sunnah and a right but it's not fardh. Sisters don't accept it usually cuz the brothers go about it wrong, but if done properly, it's a blessin 4 every1 involved. We have no right to require a husband to promise not to do poly; cuz it's halal and we don't have the right to make something haraam that's halal.
Kaddie1979 2 weeks ago
As far as I know I understood I thought the husband had to ask permission and get an approval from the wife/wives before he can marry.
FernandoTorrera 2 weeks ago
which hadith or quraan verse says polygamy is sunnah...the prophet said MARRY and multiply YOUR KIDS NOT MULTIPLY UR WIVES he was married t khadija r.a for 25 yrs he only took other women after she passed away...
muslimah2611 3 weeks ago
A MAN Myt HAV MANY WIVES BT HIS HEART CN ONLY LOV 1 THAT MUCH..... {And if you fear that u will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four.} [Quran 4:3] and
· {And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so].} [Quran 4:129] [Quran 4:3] The Prophet, , said: “If a man has two wives and he favors one of them, he will come on the Day of Judgment with a slanting side.”
muslimah2611 3 weeks ago
and if he takes another wife if the first aint happy its her choice to leave and give back his mehr money and there will be no sin on her no women is forced to be in polygamy!! polygam polygamy polygamy WHAT HAPPENED TO TAHAJJUD? SALAAH? FAST? so u open the quraan and all u c is POLYGAMY
muslimah2611 3 weeks ago
you i was single and 10 men wanted me im now married and ten men still want me wana know why? no not because they care but simply coz ill be a great sex partner WAKE UP this isnt the time of the prophet this is the times of ignorance so instead of focussing on wanting another womens husband try to ask Allah for your own....he said polygamy is allowed but he also said MAKE DUA AND ILL HELP YOU AND ITS NOT HIS RIGHT its his choice .....
muslimah2611 3 weeks ago
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@ColdVolcano22: "Time began with the expansion of the universe, there was no time (for lack of a better word) "before" that."
That makes no sense.
Of course ALL is conjecture. We have no proof.
(Conjecture cannot be "false". It can be wrong.)
"The primordial universe was not a ball floating in a vast space. ...At that stage it already contained all matter that would ever be."
Perfectly reasonable theory. Proves nothing.
robertgift 3 weeks ago
Black and Muslim? Check out Slavery in Islam. What did your forefathers and mothers and sisters face? Check out for yourself.
lambuponthethrone 3 weeks ago
@lambuponthethrone - Isalam came to free slaves and it did that in many ways, if you want to discover slavery in so called Westren civilization you don't need to back 1400 years ago, just read the history of slavery in USA every in late 70's. Read how white christians sold and bought slaves, read how Islam came to end and free slaves while white christians used the bible to justify slavery.
shadikhan25 3 weeks ago
@shadikhan25 Slavery is bad. However the slave trade in Europe and america lasted for about 300 years, 10% of slaves died in transportation,slaves were mainly for working on the farms,They were allowed to marry and have children.Slavery in Islam lasted for 1300 years; and is still continuing in countries like sudan.In dubai and abu dubai it's called employment. In Saudi, philipino maids are sexual slaves. Slaves in islam were for sex; males were castrated, 80% died in transportation
lambuponthethrone 3 weeks ago
@lambuponthethrone Slave trade has existed since birth of civilisation.
In the west, slavery is stronger than it has ever been..it is called capitalism. Big companies by law can stamp a contract which u cannot breach and if u do then by law u will be punished. The banks who paid a severe price have doomed millions of innocent people in the west. U are blind to think the west is free of slavery.
SolidTube911 3 weeks ago
@SolidTube911 slaves dont have a choice of signing anything they are bought and sold. My father is a teacher and before he will hire a sub-teacher to help him they need to sign a contract to agree to work for a semester. This contract is made so the sub-teacher cant just leave and my father all of a sudden have no help. Slaves are not bound for a few months. Also some arabs still have literal slaves they hire a black maid than enslave her force her to provide sex if they dont they go to jail.
FernandoTorrera 2 weeks ago
@FernandoTorrera no capitalism is slavery in modern terms. When u sign a contract u are obliged to keep it...theres a debate in world football with FIFA on players contracted to play and when they are not happy and whants to leave, they cant cause they are contracted and if breached could face stupendous fine or inmprisoment. If arabs still hire black slaves then so do black people on other blacks. Infact africa is home to more black slaves than anywhere else in the world
SolidTube911 2 weeks ago
@SolidTube911 modern slavery has become sex slavery of kids and women who receive pay if theyre lucky.There is a documentary about dark african maids being hired by an arab man they expect only to be a maid then he slowly forces them into bed and if they escape they are sent to jail as "illegals". In some jobs you need to sign a contract because the employer is investing in you and cant have you just leave, imagine if a teacher just left their students in a semester. A contract is not for life.
FernandoTorrera 2 weeks ago
I know of a man who has four wives, has so many children he never see's them or provide's for them financially but, he deos see the wives when he wants sex....now...that's not right. who would want a man like that...child neglect and no love. hope i don't marry a man like that....i would rather die!
granny835 4 weeks ago
@granny835: "man who has four wives, has so many children he never see's them or provide's for them financially - he deos see the wives when he wants sex."
HIslam the MAN-made / MALE-serving myth.
Sounds great to males! I love my wife and would never hurt her by cheating on her by collecting up to three additional sex partners.
Weak males try to display power and virility by producing many children. Children is easy to make. Who supports his sex results? He FAILS as a FATHER.
robertgift 3 weeks ago
Unless a man's first wife is barren, terminally ill, or the other lady who he is looking to get married to is a widow, homeless, or something of that nature, I do not know why a man would want to get married to a second wife, especially in the times of ignorance that are upon us...I find it disturbing that the sister in the blog would say,"Polygamy is not for you if you cannot love Allah and His Messenger"...Following the noble virtues and character of Rasul (saw) is far more important than tht.
WarriorMonk786 1 month ago
@WarriorMonk786 "the sister in the blog would say,"Polygamy is not for you if you cannot love Allah and His Messenger" "
She can say anything. Does not mean that it is valid.
Just unrealistic poetry and meaningless vague nonsense.
Myth believers often write such.
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abdullahalmahmood 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 I ain't using "feelings" You ARE correct. I am using conjecture, based on my education/knowledge in chemistry, microbiology, physics, probability.
robertgift 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 Why would it reproduce? Reproduction requires intent, purpose, goal.
One of intelligence needs no book to know that time DID exist before "time".
Likewise, space, empty space, IS inside something.
Have you ever had an original thought? Or must you gain your thoughts from a defective man-made book - like followers of HIslam from their Qur'an?
robertgift 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 " "Reproduction indicates intention." -No it doesn't! ..."
If life merely occurs, it has no reason to reproduce. Reproduction is an intention - a goal - a purpose. Otherwise, there is no need for it.
Yes, time did exist before "time".
Empty space did exist before the "big bang".
robertgift 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 "...life "miraculously" reproduces is evidence of God?"
If life merely occured, there is no need for it to reproduce. Why would it reproduce? Reproduction indicates intention.
"Time began with the expansion of the universe."
What happened BEFORE thexpansion of the universe?
"As far as we know this space is not inside of anything, it is all there is"
What is the universe inside of?
"HIslam" is merely another MAN-made myth which tries to explain God. It fails.
robertgift 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 "It wasn't an accident, nor was it intended, it just was"
If it "just was" that still does not show need for reproduction. No reason to reproduce.
Here, "accident" does not mean intention or mistake. Merely "occurance".
Other questions: When did time begin? What is this un ending space inside of? and the rest are too difficult to answer.
robertgift 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 Of course with enough time many kinds of things are possible.
Why would accidentalife reproduce? If accidental, No need. No intention.
Yes, we see all kinds of evolution.
Evolution does not mean that God does not exist.
It really means an excellent design which can adapt, change and improve.
robertgift 1 month ago
What kind of woman would settle for a "husband" who would CHEAT on her with another woman?
What kind of man would hurt his wife by openly cheating with another woman?
Either the woman is mentally ill to allow her husband to marry another, or she does not really love her husband.
Or she hurts from jealousy - whether she shows it or not.
That husband is lowly to value sex more than his wife's feelings.
He is an immoral slob trying to use myth to justify his immorality.
HIslam is SICK all around.
robertgift 1 month ago
@ColdVolcano22 Can a God exist? Yes. Chances are greater that a God exists than life happened by accident, survived, fed and reproduced. There would be no reason to reproduce.
I am agnostic but cannot be atheist.
Would it not be horrible if Islam were not absurd myth?
I'd hate to interrupt and waste time sticking my butt up 5 times a day to stroke Allah's big ego. My wife would hate compressing her hair andefeating her body's cooling wearing the ridiculous hijab or niqab.
robertgift 1 month ago
@robertgift using your logic and understanding, I don't believe that you exist and if you do I believe that your words came from your butt not from your mouth which is an accident? Because Allah perfected his design even with your imperfect design.
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@shadikhan25: "I don't believe that you exist and if you do I believe that your words came from your butt not from your mouth which is an accident?"
And your point?
robertgift 3 weeks ago
@ColdVolcano22 posts: "...i was 19 i left Islam and became an Atheist..."
One who dares to THINK and be DISCERNING would leave "HIslam" the absurd MAN-made / MAN-serving myth which oppresses women.
As a scientist, we are surrounded by evidence that God exists. A single-cell animal is impossibly complex, has countless complex systems which enable it to survive, feed, reproduce. If accidentally developed, it has no reason to reproduce. Man invents religions to try to explain God.
robertgift 1 month ago
MAN-made / MAN-serving myth - HIslam. Sad that some women are gulliblenough to accept man's excuse to have multiple sex partners.
My wonderful, brilliant girlfriend, born and raisedevout Muslim, now ex Muslim and so happy, would never settle for sharing her husband with another.
Does HIslam approve of being dishonest? (Secret?)
Can a wife have several husbands?
Lawful but awful. Polygamy should be legal among consenting, mentally healthy adults. But what mentally healthy woman would accept it?
robertgift 1 month ago
@robertgift fool, your girlfriend was never a muslimah simply because she was not firmly grounded in faith and monotheism.
so no-one cares about her rejection.
and note, whilst your girlfriend has rejected, probably 100 non muslim women have become muslims.
so why dont you keep quite, and go and check your demographics, and see how your women in their thousands are comming into islam.
the number of american women comming to islam is growing exponentially.
abdullahalmahmood 1 month ago
@abdullahalmahmood Thank you.
She was a devout Muslim until she began to THINK (in her teens) Left at 21(?)
She said many convert and have fun with HIslam and absurd rituals. They soon realize how ridiculous the myth is and leave. We don't learn of them.
Numbers matters? 100 women can be gullible, non thinking sheep - which is what a religions wants.
I need not check demographics. Anyone, anywhere can join whatever mythathey wish. Does not make itrue. She is so happy.
robertgift 1 month ago
@robertgift you're right mate, numbers are NOT evidence for what is the true, because the vast majority of mankind now are deaf dumb and blind lost animals like yourself.
who have no purpose in life, but to leave behind their weak worthless dna.
who live like animals, and die like them.
abdullahalmahmood 1 month ago
@abdullahalmahmood "who have no purpose in life"
Believing the MAN-made / MAN-serving myth, HIslam,agically creates "purpose"?
HIslam is for non-thinkingullibles to FOLLOW and OBEY. To dutifully do their worthless rituals and burden their women with absurd, hot coverings.
None of my friends "live like animals". Or is my pet pot-bellied pig, poodle, parrot, canary living in our house "living like animals". My ex Muslim girlfriend also liked and played with Piganini. Was fun.
robertgift 1 month ago
@robertgift whats this?
you're saying there is an epidemic of converts to islam leaving islam?
dont be stupid mate, just because you have seen one or two, does not mean you can go make a stupid calculation in your mind and speak for the globe.
there are over 35 000 converts to islam in u.s.a every year.
so your petty girlfriend is being replaced by 100s of people.
abdullahalmahmood 1 month ago
@abdullahalmahmood "there is an epidemic of converts to islam leaving islam?"
Why attribute your statement to me?
She and a Muslim friend said that many are leaving. They would know.
She says the "newbies" don't know better. It is those who really know Islamyth who leave. She says many newbies eventually realize the absurdity, and just leave. We don't learn of them.
Same with the Christian and MORmON myth believers. They leave.
People are growing and getting wiser.
robertgift 1 month ago
@robertgift man made myth?
hold on, so you believe that a illiterate arab bedouin [saw] from the 6th century, who could not even do the simplest of mathematics, or write his own name was such a genius that he woke up one day and decided to make up a myth which would shackle trillions of people till the 21st century.
"say (oh muhammad[sa]) wait till the end, for i am waiting along with you, then you hsall know who guided and who was deluded"
abdullahalmahmood 1 month ago
@abdullahalmahmood "man made myth?"
Yes. All religions are man-made myth, fairy tales, superstitions with laughable, worthless rituals (man-choreographed "plays", complete with costumes and memorized lines.)
Sure, Allah has a big ego and wants everyone to bow down with butts up 5 times a day. Why not the magic number of 7 or 12 times times a day?
And God wants women burdened with wearing ridiculous, hot covering. That's why they don't have hair on their heads. Fun myth!
robertgift 1 month ago
@robertgift A l l a a h [ s. w. t] does not want bad for his slaves he made.
because he says in his revelation
he is not pleased with disbelief for his slaves, so they meet him and he punishes them, Allaah does not want that, but he does not force guidance on people, he gives them a free choice.
religion is very easy, there is no burden involved in it, if a person cant pray standing, he can pray sitting, if not whilstb on the bed.
abdullahalmahmood 1 month ago
@abdullahalmahmood "so they meet him and he punishes them"
Punished for what? Because they believe such stupiditiy cannot possibly be of a just and intelligent God?
Because they refuse to interrupt and act out the worthless ritual of bowing down with butts up and stroking the myth God's big ego?
God likes these worthless "shows" so much thathey must play 5 times a day?
"Free choice" - as long as they do it. Haha.
robertgift 1 month ago
as a woman I must say I have a strong sex drive so when I hear the argument that these men need to fulfill higher sex drives than what woman have is non sense...I think that woman when they are respected by their husbands will have a great desire for that man...I know I do, but my husband is a christian who is loving toward me...
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crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
There are some question that should be answered. 1)Polygamy is allowed only for rich men? It's not easy support two wives in theses days. 2)Can a rich woman have more than one husband? I don't remember if the koran forbids that.3)What about sex? Only one woman can have sex as many time as the husband wants until he get tired and satisfied every day because women love, like, need and want sex the same way the men do. Do the other wives should be in need?
JOESANS2USA 2 months ago
@JOESANS2USA From what I have researched and what my husband has told me, the answer to your questions are as follows. 1) Polygamy is only allowed if the man can afford to support all of his wives equally. In theory, no wife should have to sacrifice her comfort level for the other.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@JOESANS2USA 2) A woman cannot have more than one husband under any circumstances. The official reasoning for this is that it would interfere with her ability to do her duties as a wife as her emotions would be difficult to share among more than one husband. Aside from that, if/when she becomes pregnant, it would be difficult to see who the father is. The reality is that NO MAN will accept his wife to sleep with another man.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 realistically no women will be happy to see her husband sleeping with another women
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool of course not, it goes against the very nature of any human to share their spouse with another. God created us to be two halves of one whole, therefore, when one half becomes a third or even less it causes much pain and a great loss of inner peace. As a woman, if my husband was having sex with another woman, I would feel that he was not satisfied with me and as such, I would just want to divorce him feeling rejected and worthless.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 I agree with what you said and i'm not opposed to polygamy since its halal however I prefer monogamy as my aunt was in a polygamous marriage herself and said that she was hurt when her husband favoured his others wives over her he often neglected her and which made her leave the marriage she divorced and is now very happy with her new husband she said that if she stayed any longer she would of been very miserable. She said herself that she is happier in a monogamous marriage.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool I can most certainly feel for your aunt please tell her that she was a saint for having the strength to live in this type of relationship for as long as she did. It takes a special inner strength that I myself do not have. I am grateful that she has found happiness with her current husband. May God bless her.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 thanks sister I will tell her that she is such a strong women even though she went through that at just age 15 she still smiles and laughs her 2nd husband treats her with so much respect he understands fully what she went through he is the genuinely kind, caring ,loving husband unlike her x husband who mistreated her .sadly some men still hold old fashioned views about women and treat them like second class citizens.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 another thing sister some men are very insensitive when it comes to the needs of women especially psychological, physical,emotional needs of a women for example they don't care about the physical pain a women goes through when giving birth ,they don't care about the wife's feelings they fail to understand things from a sisters point of view. they don't get that polygamy was allowed in the first place to protect women e.g the prophet married widows he had his reason marrying them.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool exactly. Many men believe that the allowance of polygamy means that it is a freedom but I have been lucky to marry a man who understands the true intention of the verse. It basically means, if you MUST practice polygamy, then this is the way it should be done. My husband says that the best application is if a man dies leaving his wife and children behind and his brother marries the woman as his second wife to preserve the family IF she is happiest this way.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
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@Dymphna7811 another thing sister some men are very insensitive when it comes to the needs of women especially psychological, physical,emotional needs of a women for example they don't care about the physical pain a women goes through when giving birth ,they don't care about the wife's feelings they fail to understand things from a sisters point of view. They don't get that polygamy was used in the first place to protect women.The prophet also had his reasons 4 marrying several wives.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@JOESANS2USA 3) this is a matter that is technically up to the man. He is allowed to visit all his wives on the same day but the majority of his day must be with the wife who the day belongs to. Technically, he could have sex with his other wife while he is visiting with her. Many consider this as rude but the final choice is up the the man. The other wives have no say. Their opinion and feelings do not matter at all. Their job is to obey the man.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 sister no he must fulfil her sexual desires too remember he must be fair between the wives!
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool actually what I have read stipulates that he must attempt to satisfy her sexual desires but there is no sin or harm on him if he fails to do this. He is only obligated to try.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@JOESANS2USA Basically, from a female point of view, polygamy is incredibly selfish on the man's side. The poor woman just sits and waits for her turn. The man has no understanding at what this feels like. She must obey him in everything and cannot even leave her home without his permission.
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Allah didnt change his word never,his word is the Quran, in the Quran there are a restorations of all the books of Allah,include Torah and Gospel,well your bible is not what Allah revealed,its a book of history of the past and these stories have been modified in cording a Luciferin taste,and then it come out to public,Muhammad peace upon him hes the last prophet of Allah,hed done what Allah told him , who deny this prophet deserve punishment in this world and hell in the hereafter .
ladoyah 2 months ago
Also, I believe people should be free to make their own choices and any woman who does not WANT to be part of a polygamous marriage should never be expected to. I get so sick to hear men speaking about how weak women are because we get jealous of our husband with another woman. My response.....NAME one man who would accept his wife to sleep with another man without becoming insanely jealous! Women who are in these type of relationships are either trapped with no choice or saints.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 Exactly. How do you expect a woman to be happy to see her husband and the man she loves so much sleep with another woman, spend his money on her, have his kids by her? What the hell else do they expect? Most women just TOLERATE polygamy, but they damn sure are not happy with it.
misscamara12 2 months ago
I'm sorry but if GOD had originally intended marriage to involve more than one man and one woman, GOD would have created Adam and Eve, and Eve, and Eve, and Eve. Humans were created as two halves who although they are whole as individuals, they are greater as one whole as a married couple. GOD is meant to be at the center of the marriage and the married couple are supposed to pray together as one! Without this, the marriage is no different than any other civil contract.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 I think polygamy also weakens a onnection between a husband and wife. Once another woman is brought into the relationship, it takes away from what you have with him as his love is split between you and her. It also limiits the trusts. How can I be intimate with a man and tell him all my secrets, while he does the same with another? Instead your marriage becomes a competition as he will always compare you with her.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 agreed. You are completely correct that polygamy definitely DOES weaken the connection between husband and wife. From a practical aspect, what if the "other" wife gets some type of infection and the "husband" spreads it to his 1st wife via sex? Not just STD's can be spread this way but other infections such as yeast as well. It is not as simple as some men like to make it.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 Exactly! They like to SIMPLIFY it and it is not simple. One relationship, especially a marital relationship with kids is complex enough. Men only look at their needs and say oh we women are just be jealous and need to put up and shut up. They are usually the type who are womanizers. Most polygamous men have those characteristics.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 While it is impossible to know what is in the hearts of men and it does not apply to all, it appears to me that some laws of Islam give the men an excuse to not exercise self restraint. As honorable women, we control our behaviors and actions. We see things that may be attractive to us, but we avoid it because we know that it is a temptation. We are sexually attracted to other men, but we control ourselves.
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@misscamara12 I am a Christian married to a Muslim and as such I have studies BOTH beliefs a great deal. Islam looks at marriage as a simple legal contract with specific requirements and Christianity considers it a Sacrament where GOD is placed at the center. "What God has brought together, let no make take apart." When the man brings another woman into the marriage, he does just this. It goes against GOD's original creation and who is the man to say that GOD was wrong?
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 Sometimes I feel like these male scholars (almost all are male) interpret the Quran in a biased way to favor men. They only pick out the verse that says marry 2, 3, or 4". Then it goes on to say "if you an do justice." Then it says, "you will never be able to do perfect justice even if you desire" to paraphrase.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 exactly, I have read those verses and what I read indicates that yes, you can marry up to 4 wives but you must be equally fair to all of them and it goes on to state that NO man can be completely equal and fair. Even the Muslim Profit Muhammad acknowledged that he alike other men were unable to control their hearts in these matters.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 That is a contradiction, because if Allah SWT had said that no man can be equal and fair, then why would he command polygamy? The real meaning is to be equal materially and physically but no man can be completely equal in his heart.
furrybunnies1 2 months ago
@furrybunnies1 What you say is technically correct in the way Islam is practiced. A man must be equal materially and physically but no man can be fair in matters of the heart. He can only appear fair. As a respectable woman, I would rather live without a man than to have a man who shares himself with another woman. This was NOT the way God created us. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve and Eve and Eve and Eve.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@furrybunnies1 If I am not loved by my husband, then I don't want him! Some women accept the practice and that is their choice. Men are violent by nature and therefore they cause wars, kill, murder, lie, and dominate. This is why there are more women than men in some areas. It is NOT by God's creation, it is by man's free will. Polygamy is man's way of making up for their violent nature and offering women SOME type of comfort while satisfying their own physical desires.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
@Dymphna7811 Some scholars have even come out to say that since the Quran says that you can only marry up to 4 if you an do justice, and then it says you cannot do this, so it actually encourages monogamy. It clearly states that a man can never be just between his wives. So some of these scholars say it actually forbids polygamy as you can only do it with the condition of justice, which is not possible as you will not love them them equally. One will always come first.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 You are correct. From what I have read, at the time of early Islam, many men had many many wives. Men liked to collect them and would use them for what they wanted then abandon them. At the time, to limit the number to 4 was very reasonable. It gave the women who were wives at least a chance to have a marital relationship. However that does NOT mean that polygamy is the way of GOD. It was only an improvement.
Dymphna7811 2 months ago
As salam alaikum, I appeal to every sound Muslim with some Islam in their hearts and those without any sense and understanding of their deen to look at this in sha Allah. youtube.com/watch?v=dMp8h7ucTWk
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways Please, cut it with your propganda with this brainwashed woman. Polygamy is not a pillar of islam. It is nt fard. It is an OPTION so that makes it a CHOICE. NOT everyone has to make the SAME choice. So, would you say that MEN who do not want to practice polygamy have no Iman? Or wait, you will say they are controlled by their wives. Maybe you cannot fathom the though of a man loving one woman and being satisfied with her.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 I am not just talking about sex but also love. To paraphrase from a Quranic verse, Allah put love an mercy between a husband and wife. Loving one woman does not make you a wimp. You don't need to sex many women to prove you're a man brother.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12: No one is suggesting this. In your twisted mind you think that if a brother takes a second wife on your "head" the brother doesn't love you and this is flawed reasoning. This is not from our deen. You cannot put one foot in and one out of Islam and attempt to twist ayats of this deen how you feel.
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways So you mean to tell me polygamous men love all their wives equally and don't favor one over the other. Please, there will ALWAYS be only ONE that has his heart. he may have some love for the rest, but it will certainly not be equal. Even the prophet (s.a.w.) could not do this. One will always have preference. It is very hard for a man to not show his preference. He cannot love two different women equally.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12: Brainwashed woman? no sister, YOU are the one who is brainwashed. No one suggests that a man practicing monogamy has no Eeman. My issue with you is you reject ayats from the Noble Quran. When you do this is a dangerous area.
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways Nope, just b/c a woman doesn't want polygamy for HERSELF does not mean she does not believe it is allowed and halal. Everyone will not share your opinion so you need to get over yourself. Polygamy is not fard (obligaory) so a woman also has the right to choose whether she wants that or not depending on the situation. Do you mean to tell me every woman should just put up and shut up if her husband decides to marry again?
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12: Every sound practicing sister should accept polygyny except if the husband is doing something that goes against Islamic law. Of course the woman has emotions and her desires will try to get in the way but she should do her best to submit to Allah. Obedience to Allah azza wa jal comes first. Secondly, almost every woman would want her husband for herself, agreed! However, I'm opposing your rebellious and fanatical approach towards the issue. You called your muslim sis brainwashed.
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways Nope, not every woman should acept polygamy. You refuse to admit that men don't practie it fairly and are deluded into thinking you can make all your wives get along and live happily ever after. Say a woman an her husband are struggling financially, should she accept her husband adding a new wife to their marriage? You don't understand people's situations and are just another selfish man like most men pushing polygamy.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12: Young Lady, when I evaluate your text I cannot see you as a Muslim. Thus it is useless speaking to a non Muslim on this issue. Tawheed needs to be the starting point in sha Allah.
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways You think too highly of yourself. Bring yourself down to earth brother. You are nobody to judge someone's Islam.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@muslimalways Every situation is different and some men are not capable and should not do it, butt still do it anyway. A woman has the right to decide whether to stay or not. You are nobody to say that they are wrong for that. You don't understand people's situations. I think polygamy is just a FANTASY most men have and don't realize the real implications it has.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12: Once again if the man cannot do justice then he marries only one! If he cannot then don't. I'm speaking for brothers who can and sisters like you who rebel even if the brother can do justice. Secondly, you need a good reason for divorce and simply because a brother practices polygyny is not a valid excuse for divorce particularly if it involved mere rebelliousness on the sister's part.
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways No, you are just biased and assume it is just jealousy which make women reject polygamy. If you look at it from a male perspective, of course you will not be able to see the bad side of it. A brother can never really do justice in polygamy. It is just not realistic and impossible. You will always treat your favored wife over the less favored. That is a fact. A man's wives will never be equal in his eyes. One will always come first. That is not justice.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12: You are thinking with your desires and not what is practical for mankind. It's either you become a mistress, public property, a zani etc. All the best in finding your "prince charming" knight and armor okay. Our discussion is not going anywhere. You want to oppose the sunnah of Allah, that is between you and Him on judgement Day.
muslimalways 2 months ago
@muslimalways The majority of muslim men have 1 wife anyway. If you want to be a superman and save all the women go ahead. See how far you'll get. You'll wake up from your fantasy soon.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@muslimalways Oh, maybe you cannot fathom the idea of a woman making her own money and taking care of herself without a man. You don't need to worry about every single woman in the world. Worry about what you can do and let people live their life. Many women find one husband and that is the makeup of the majority of muslim marriages. Get back to the real world. How many men marry widows and needy women? Nope most marry young girls for sex when they reach midlife crisis.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@muslimalways If men REALLY do it to help women, marry the ones who need it. Yet you like to say he can marry the 2nd for any reason. So, obviously is just for the man's pleasure and not helping women. Young single girls have an easier time marrying so help the divorced women and widows with kids who most men overlook. That is what will help women so they don't have to go to desperate measures like prostitution to feed their kids.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 sister, perhaps you may not be aware of this, but the whole reason why Allaah started when regarding polygamy by saying "marry women of your coicein 2s 3s or 4" is because in slam, the norm is polygyny, and the exception is monogamy for men.
because Allaah first said marry 2s 3s or 4s, then he ended with marry one if you fear justice.
this is something you have print in your head, so dont give that business about "its not fard"
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood it isn't fard though!!! what's your point??their is no Hadith or verses in the Quran to suggest that polygamy is the norm it was however the norm of the time of the prophet but today monogamy is the norm bcoz men unlike u are now very open minded and value family it is however practised by some parts of the world were their is a shortage of women such as in places were their is war e.g Afghanistan however their are people in the world who abuse this right 2 degrade women!
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool my point is that a muslim man who is wealthy enough and just enough who marries more than one wife is BETTER and MORE EFFICIENT for the muslim society than a man who has the ability to marry more than one woman both in wealth and justice, but he sticks to one because apparently he doesnt "want" to hurt his wife.
a polygamous man so long as he is just is BETTER than a monogamous man.
simple as.
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@abdullahalmahmood he cares about his wifes feelings thats why he doesn't want to marry and he loves her (i gave you definition of love in my previous post read it apparently your heart is made out of stone.
and it doesn't mean that a man is any better for being polygamous than monogamous thats your opinion at the end of the day we are all Muslims and we will all stand in front of allah and be questioned for our good and bad actions in our lives not 4 having more then one wife!
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood Can you explain how a polygamous man is better than a monogamous man? You do realize there are many more ways to help people than marrying another woman right? There is a limit to how many women you an marry or "help" as you like to sugaroat. But there is no limit to how many people you can give a better life to if you have the money. It is much more likely for a polygamous man to be unfair than a monogamous man as he cannot split his heart.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 i'll tell you exactly how a polygamous man is better than a monogamous one. no 1, the polygamous man will have many more children, thus increasing the number of people saying "laa ilaaha illaAllaah", and the prophet[saww] said have many children as i will be proud of you on the last day.
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood Allah decides how many children he will give whether polygamous or not. Also, yes it is good to have many children, but it is also important to have the money to take care of them and the time to spend with them and teaching them Islam and other good values. A polygamous man would be a part time father. He will prefer the favorite wife's children over the others thus creating sibling rivalry and unhappy children.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood So all a man has to do is put his sperm in many women to be a good muslim? There is more than just spreading your sperm and being a womanizer. You an have 10-12 children with one woman. If you have 30 children, great, but how well do you know all those children? How will you provide for all those children? Or do you just want many children so you can boast to other men while you probably realistically cannot be a good caring father to all of them.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood You need to come up with a better answer about how a polygamous man is better instead of just spreading his sperm in different women creating numbers of children he cannot take care of. You just want that for your own male ego.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 Abu bakr [ra] had 18 children, 'umar [ra] had 16 children or thereabout, 'Ali [ra] had 33 children, Anas [ra] had 80 children!!!
i can name many more companions who had lots of children, by marrying many women AND empregnating their slave girls [which is halal btw].
so look at you ignorance, are you now going to say the sahaabah were vile people, horny, overcome by desire.
ignorant woman indoctrinated by the kuffaar women
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood Due to his different feelings for different wives, a polygamous man is more prone to being unjusting and hurting a wife AND kids. So explain how that is better. How is a man a better man b/c he doesn't mind hurting his wife in order to marry more women? Aren't muslim men supposed to be kind to their wives? If you call a woman your wife, you should be considerate enough to care for her feelings.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 silly ignorant woman, look at you rant about being unjust.
just in a polygamous marraige simply means that the man spends the exact amoutn of time with each of his women, to the extent that he cant even make wudhu in the house of one if her time is up.
if he buys one a pen, he must give the rest a pen worth the same, or buy nothing at all.
is this really hard?
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood So you think it's easy? Do you have more than 1 wife? I was not only talking about love as that is not in his control? Some things are much easier said than done. There is only ONE woman in a polygamous marriage that is truly happy, which is the one who has his heart. Men are not perfect and they will alwyas show one preferential treatment. One will get more time and money. The favorite wife's children will be more loved than the rest.
misscamara12 2 months ago
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@misscamara12 "Aren't muslim men supposed to be kind to their wives? If you call a woman your wife, you should be considerate enough to care for her feelings."
again, ignorance ignorance and ignorance.
the prophet[saww] loved mother Aaishah more than any other woman on the earth, now did he forsake polygamy because of her feelings, she would feel heartbroken, cry all night long when the prophet[saww] married umm salamah, juwayriyyah, saffiyyah, hafsah out of jealousy
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool listen, Allaah does not base his law for a particular time or place such as arabia, he [s. w. t.] decrees what is best for all of mankind, their needs and responsibilies WILL NEVER CHANGE.
you sound like those ignoramuses who say that we dont have to live according to the shar'i because it was for the ancient muslims.
i truely hope you are not, but you sound like one.
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood you don't understand the wisdom behind the verses of Surah Nisa it does not order men to marry up to four wives rather it says that it is a choice and the example of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) is just an example of some of the good reasons why a man can marry up to four wives not to benefit him but to benefit the sisters.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool when did i ever say A l l a a h [s. w .t] order men to go out and do it.
but Allaah makes it clear that the norm is polygamy and the exception is monogamy for men that is.
also, a woman in a polygamous marraige and puts up with it for the sake of Allaah is BETTER than a woman who has her husband all to herself and enjoys him alone and feels no pain.
the former woman is like a mujaahidah in the way of Allaah in a battle field.
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool first of all, who on earth or in the heavens said a man can only do polygamy in order to take care of widos etc.
Allaah said "women of your choice", it doesnot say a particular group of women.
where do you get that from.
a man can remarry completely for his own reason, JUST as he would when he first marries.
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
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@crumpetsrcool "their is no Hadith or verses in the Quran to suggest that polygamy is the norm"
lets look at this.
at the time of the blessed prophet[saww], and at the time of the rightly guided caliphs, POLYGAMY WAS THE NORM, at the time of the righteos Salaf, polygamy was the norm, and the time of the rightoes khalaf [those after the salaf], polygamy was the norm, but however, NOW when the muslims are the worst and most pathetic they have ever been, polygamy is very rare, and monogamy
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood Polygamy was the norm in JAHIL days BEFORE ISLAM when women were seen as objects with little rights and killing female babies was common. Is that the time you want to return to? Islamic polygamy came to LIMIT polygamy not encourage it as it occurred before Islam. The Quran says one wife is best, and 4 wives was an improvement from the pre-islamic days where there was no limit. If polygamy was so great, do you think women would be against it?
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 the young mother of believers [whom Allaah is pleased with] would cry all night long, sob in her bed whenever the prophet[saww] married a new mother of believers.
so did the prophet[saww] turn around and say "oooh my dear wife is jealous, so i shall'nt mary anymore, and cancel my engagement to so and so"
no he didnt, ever hold back because of his wives "feelings" as you say.
this is clear proof you dont know zilch about what you're talking about
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood The one you were talking about is Aisha, who is known to be his beloved wife. Stop comparing yourself to the prophet. No man could ever reach his level so get over yourself. If you find women willing to put up with polygamy good for you, most people don't want it and you cannot change that. Calm down and get over yourself.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 YOUR IGNORANCE IS ABSOLUTELY FLABBERGASTING, wallaahi.
polygamy was THE NORM at the golden era of islam, during the life of the prophet[saww] AND the time of the rightly guided caliphs, AND the time of the pious Salafus-saaliheen.
IS THIS NOT ENOUGH PROOF FOR YOU ALONG WITH THE FACT ALLAAH STARTED THE VERSE WITH POLYGAMY because it is the norm.mentioning 2s 3s or 4s, then ended with one
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood B/c in the JAHIL days polygamy was the norm. It was gradual before the process gradually died down. I see you ignored that FACT b/c it was something you didn't want to hear unless you are just ignorant about that. Ask any person who knows Islamic history, and they will give you the answer I gave you. Islam came to LIMIT polygamy which was ALREADY the norm NOT introduce it or make it the norm. Stop being in denial.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 so if the prophet[saww] and his companions did not hold back from being polygamous if they were able tobecause of their wives "feelings" when i grow up, if i am able to, why on earth should i hold back from being polygamous?
do we follow the male and female companions, or do we folow the sayings of an ignorant muslim woman who lives in the kuffaar balad, who has zilch knowledge of the religion of Allaah, but rather talks about her female desires.
which one should i follow?
abdullahalmahmood 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood there is evidence that monogamy was practised at the time of the prophet for example prophet Adam was married to eve (in case you didn't know we all originated from Adam and Eve. The prophet Muhammad also practised monogamy first before he entered Polygamy. And he married widows (their were many widows at that time) he also married divorcees who had kids already and for political religious reasons what you brother fail to understand is why the prophet practised polygamy.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool Exactly. How many men nowadays practice polygamy to marry widows or for political reasons or to spread Islam? They just want more women and more sex period. Anytime they see another attractive sister they want to marry her. Some of these men are using Islam as a way to get "halal mistresses" and be womanizers hiding under the guise of polygamy.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 yep! they reject the example of the prophet Muhammad and the context behind the verses. A while ago I went to a course and the speaker said that marrying merely for sexual gratification is not a valid reason for a man to take a second wife. that's coming from a male speaker. its ridiculous how in this day and age men use and abuse this choice they just to relieve their sexual desires this is wrong on the basis of as the marriage isn't just sex its about compatibilitypost continued)
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@crumpetsrcool Yes, it is ridicuous how many men say a man an marry again to fulfill his sexual urge or to prevent him from zina. Does it make sense for a man to make a lifetime commitment to another woman and start a family with her just so he can get more sex? They are treating marriage like a dating relationship. That is why some of them don't last. That is why you have all these older men with mid life crisis marrying girls young enough to be their daughters. It is sick.
misscamara12 2 months ago
@misscamara12 their blinded by lust they can't fight the temptation and they allow their nuffs to take control over their bodies. They don't care about the consequences and the impact its going to have on their wife or their family the only thing they care about is gaining pleasure from sex. I blame pornography and their fathers for not being good role models.
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
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crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
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@misscamara12 also men are supposed to be lowering their gaze as it is haram for them to look at women that at non-mah-ram it is very clear today that polygamy is used ,abused and misused for the wrong reasons full stop! according to the uk's sharia council the top ten reasons for divorce is polygamy (btw only a small minority practice polygamy in the UK it doesn't last very long trust me i know people you have been through it!
crumpetsrcool 2 months ago
@abdullahalmahmood Who is stopping you from practicing polygamy? From your comments, you seem to want it so bad that is why any comment by any woman who doesn't want it pisses you off. There are polygamous men who are able to find wives so obviously some women don't mind being in polygamy especially if they are not the first wife. It is easier being 2nd, 3rd or 4th so you can find women who are willing to do that.
misscamara12 2 months ago