The celebrant appears to have had the back of his alb rammed up his arse with a broom handle. Why did they all come out onto the sanctuary without any of them noticing?
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Why does the Council of Trent anathematize anyone who receives John the Baptist's initiation rite (Holy Spirit who is coming - Spiritus Sanctus) instead of Christ's baptism in the (Holy Ghost, who is - Spiritum Sanctum)?
John the Baptist is the patron "saint" of judeo-freemasonry. The Church has been in Auto-anathamatization mode since Pius XII reversed the Sacramental Rite in 1944: it's the Mark of the Beast!
@fatimamovement Your putting the Holy Spirit into the Nominative or the Accusative case does not affect his temporal circumstances. John the Baptist is the Forerunner of Our Lord and the greatest of the prophets. Please don't talk nonsense.
@ErnstSebastien Ignorant is ignorant! Catholics are NOT pagans, and we do NOT worship statues. Come to our Church some day. Better yet, read a few intelligent BOOKS--Ignatius of Loyola, Thomas Aquinas, Mother Theresa (you say she's in hell? She's miles ahead of you or anyone who calls her pagan!) Like I said, read a few books instead of those stupid Chick pamphlets and LEARN something!!!!
This particular local Sarum Use inside the Latin Rite Church should become the liturgy of the returning High Church ex-Anglicans (Traditional Anglican Communion etc.), as far as they do not use the classical Roman Rite. This is a Catholic Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, valid if confected by validly ordained Priests (and not by ministers), and an age-old treasury of Catholic England since the Middle Ages. Saint Osmund, pray for us and the conversion of Britain!
The Sarum rite is not anglican. It is Roman Catholic drawing from reforms that the Normans initiated to old Celto-Saxon version of the Roman rite. This was initiated by St. Osmund, the bishop of Salisbury. So to say its origins are anglican would be innacurate as anglicanism was only introduced as part of the "protestant reformation."
There seems to be confusion. I belong to a Catholic Church ( the Scottish Episcopal Church). It is a reformed Catholic Church, neither RC nor Protestant, yet part of the Anglican Communion, which comprises Catholic and Protestant Provinces. We adhere to the ancient Catholic traditions of The Church. The C of E, our neighbouring Anglican Province in the UK is Protestant, yet it includes Catholic churches, so all is not what it seems.
@GraveyardGhost464 GraveyardGhost464, that is where you are wrong, Anglicans are Catholic Christians as much as Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic, whether or not female bishops are even true successors to the Apostles is up for debate, i honestly believe they are not, and i could never belong to a church that has a female priest, but get your facts straight, the Pope does'nt make the Catholic, the Creed does!
Xenogeek2 should read the Holy Fathers. St. Irenaeus (2nd century) writes in Greek that "With this church of Rome, all the churches must agree". Like so many Anglican bishops now seeking union with Rome, many Orthodox bishops over the past few centuries have re-united with Rome (Half of my Orthodox bishops voted in synod to reunite with Rome in 1724). Many of today's Orthodox bishops (as now in Bulgaria) are seeking union with Rome. The Spirit is leading the churches to the fullness of truth.
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I cordially disagree with ramesses88. The bishops of the Holy Orthodox Christian Church have repeatedly said that no union between East and West is possible until Rome renounces all of its heresies--not the least of which is papal supremacy. MrLamontSanford: most Orthodox Christians are deeply grieved that Rome separated itself from Jesus's own Church.
I appreciate your comments! Would like to point out though that it was Mary, not Elizabeth, who brought England back to Roman Catholicism and had Cranmer executed.
I agree with you, for the most part, and wish and pray for a reunion. I have a book here written about the Orthodox churches, by an orhtodox priest, and is rather polemical to the Catholic church. It goes beyond just the issue of Rome's supremacy in some Orthodox circles, from what I can see. He is almost as hostile as some fundamentalists are. Hopefully he is not the norm!!
I agree to a point. The Roman Catholic Church is indeed the One True Church, but also too are the Eastern Orthodox Church[es]. The sacraments are acknowledged by Rome as being valid. The term 'schismatic' should be used in an historical sense, schism meaning 'divided'. The Orthodox are not heretical (teaching that which is not the truth), but are out of full communion with Rome. It is of great lament that the seamless garment has been rent asunder by human pride.
Or, one could say that Rome is out of communion with the Churches of the East. The excommunications which started the Great Schism were as simultaneous as they could have been in the 11th Century. The East and West have taken great strides towards reconciliation, if not reunification - John Paul II returning relics and icons sacked from the Eastern churches, for example - but until problems such as Papal infallabiity and supremacy are worked through or abandoned, there will never be true unity.
@warszawianka Don't the Eastern Orthodox OK contraception? That would count as being not in communion with Rome. There's a chronology of popes starting from Peter to Benedict 16. It's people have made horrid mistakes in behavior, but it still has the (true) mandate from (the true) Heaven, because people cannot damage the Church, itself.
Dogmas cannot be changed. It would have given in on contraception when most the other churches did in 1930 and especially in the '60s and '70s, if it were not the Bride of Christ. The Eastern Orthodox is technically apostolic, being founded by a bishop. If Archbishop Lefebvre had become a sedevacantist, I wonder if the SSPX would've been apostolic.
Great! Embarrassing as a Catholic to say we got rid of this and now our showpiece liturgy is "Yaweh, I know you are near!" Fortunately these types of liturgies, with Benedict's encouragement, are returning. High Churched Anglicans -please come to our Church and bring this with you!!!
Roman Catholics may wish to explore the Eastern Catholic Rites (e.g. the Byzantine Rite), who are in communion with Rome, yet have maintained their own traditions despite the "reforms" of the Second Vatican Council.
Indeed, there is an Orthodox Monastery in Australia or New Zealand that uses the Sarum Rite. I am not sure of its Jurisdiction, however. Clearly, I am certain of all the details, haha
Of course, whether we should be using Western Liturgies is an open question, but obviously not one to discuss here.
@genjlcgettys Exactly! One more step... Ditch the high altar, throw out the incense, make some rainbow vestments and gather 'round the table for a little kumbaya.
@thatstrbl Hard to believe because it is not true. You are thinking of the Calivinistic Puritans, and most of those sermons on witchcraft took place in the American colonies.
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The old mass is theatrically impressive, however I can't believe that Jesus, the son of a poor carpenter, would approve of this. Jesus came to build a close, personal relationship between God and Man. What the old mass does is to erect a priestly intermediary which Christ came to end. Lets' abolish tradition and embrace the leadership of the Holy Spirit.
This is the Choir of the Church of Our Lady at Lisson Grove in London under the direction of Claude Crozet. They are a mixed voice choir. I should know, I was one of the singers that day - 2nd Bass. The Mass was genuinely Roman Catholic and was organised by the Newman Society of Oxford University in Merton College Chapel. It was a truly fabulous occasion and is for me a spiritual and musical high water mark. A reminder of what might have been in England had the Reformation taken another turn.
In my view, the "other turn" which the Reformation should have taken is the establishment of an Anglican Rite in communion with Rome, in which the English would have been allowed to pursue their own style of worship and discipline (including the ordination of married men to the clergy), while adhering to traditional faith and morals. Unfortunately, both the Pope and King Henry VIII were, for reasons personal to themselves, unable to arrive at such a solution. I hope that Pope Benedict XVI can.
How and why could the English Reformation have taken this turn? The church in England didn't split with Rome over the Sarum Rite or even reform of the church. The split occurred when Henry VIII made himself supreme head of the church in England so that he could have a divorce and a male heir. (Ironically it was his daughter Elizabeth who proved to be a great monarch!) The pope had every right to condemn what Henry did.
Henry's marital problems were the catalyst, but other issues were festering. The break would have come sooner or later regardless of the male heir issue.
Rome did let England have its own style of worship and discipline. Also, didn't the King have the power to select the Bishops? (At least the archbishop of Canturbury?) It was not as if the Reformation was due to Roman attempts to quash the Sarum use! The Protestants did that. Had there been no reformation, for all we know, what we see in this video may have been the typical liturgy in England up to our own time.
They sound a lot like the Clerks of Oxenford on the Tallis/Sheppard recording (the same aerial strebles and countertenors). Did they sing at the services in Merton College?
The Tallis Scholars / Peter Phillips have had a long association with Merton College; many of their recordings for Gimell were made in Merton College Chapel. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it was they.
Also, that sounds like a mixed choir (adult female trebles) to my uneducated ear, which would square with the Tallis Scholars. Don't the Clerkes of Oxenford use mostly, if not exclusively, boy trebles?
According to a customer review on Amazon (by "Hafizullah"), "Wulstan used girl sopranos who were trained to sound like boys (necessary because boys' voices break earlier nowadays)."
" the faction of Anglicans calling themselves "Anglo-Catholics"..are now trying to revive some of the vestments and rubrics of this Rite ..in order to appear in continuity with tradition which is not nescessarily "Roman"!"
NOW trying? This was done in the Anglican Church in the 19th century. It was called the Oxford Movement. The intent wasn't to "appear" in continuity with tradition. It was to reestablish liturgical continuity which did not really change until AFTER Henry VIII died.
Even then lichtbroeder, (after the death of Henry VIII) Elizabeth revived the Roman Church and the first non Roman Archbishop of Canterbury (Cranmer) was burned at the stake. There was a huge need for a reformation in the Church at that time, & Rome acknowledges this. As an Anglican of Anglo-Catholic beliefs, I think it's time to put aside differences. Like the Orthodox, we feel the role of the Pope should change, & there has to be a way for this to happen. Our common call demands it.
I understand why Orthodox and Protestants demand that the role of the Holy Father should be different in a reunified church. Nonetheless. you are asking way too much from us, Catholics. The Pope cannot be just a Primatus (First among equals), as some have demanded. That would be the end of the Catholic Church as she has been for two thousand years.
@dsindc Just consider this: St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, ergo the first Pope, and since then the Bishop of Rome has had a position of authority within the universal Church. That, my friends, can't be undone.
@sfowatcher - Well in light of all that is going on, I must say you have balls. Who in God's name would want to be in ANY sort of communion with the Bishop of Rome? The man is a criminal. As for the typically pretentious comments about Peter, etc. Most scholars are highly dubious of your characterization of the early church.
@sfowatcher - In case you've been sleeping for the last several months, your church is in the midst of a massive crisis. It is all but dead in Europe. The list of abusive clergy, and perhaps more importantly clergy that were complicit in the countless crimes is huge and growing, and IT INCLUDES THIS POPE. That my friend can't be undone.
@dsindc Indeed I've got balls and also a brain. I'm talking about the reunification of the Christian churches and how the Papacy is, for some, and obstacle to achieve that noble goal. The current crisis of the Holy Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with it. Your Ad Hominem atack shows what is truly behind your opposition: a barely disguised hatred. We are talking about an issue of hundred of years, not a current crisis which we will overcome.
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@sfowatcher , how bizarre. A brain? Well ok, but not much of an education. By the way, I have earned two undergrad and one advanced degree, so don't imply I'm an uneducated rube . . I've met many Roman catholic theologians who would laugh at your arguments. As for the 'ad hominem atack' (sic), I've used none. Here's an example; "you're an idiot". By the way, why the upper case lettering for ad hominem? Go study for that G.E.D.
@sfowatcher - Finally, if you would read what I've written, e.g. my comment beginning with 'in case you've been sleeping'... I express serious concerns with your church. It is rotting to the core. I went on to write that specific elements of the crisis DIRECTLY involve the pope. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING THAT RATZINGER COVERED FOR PEDOPHILES. If you AREN'T FURIOUS, IF YOU DON'T 'HATE' THIS, THEY YOU TOO ARE SICK.
@sfowatcher - And may the good Lord have mercy on the Roman church, which has so strayed from Christ. We pray for the thousands and thousands of victims, known and unknown who have suffered at the hands of the church, and the complicity of its leadership, from the Inquisitions, trials for heresy, to the current evil so engrained in this church. Amen.
@sfowatcher - So many of your arguments are just so unsubstantiated. Differences developed between East and West wings of the Church which had earlier separated from the wing centred upon Alexandria. The disputes were a major factor in the East-West Schism between the religious communities, which was formalized in 1054. If you're going to discuss the bishop of Rome, know some early church history.
@dsindc Just consider this: St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, ergo the first Pope, and since then the Bishop of Rome has had a position of authority within the universal Church. That, my friends, can't be undone.
@dsindc Just consider this: St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, ergo the first Pope, and since then the Bishop of Rome has had a position of authority within the universal Church. That, my friends, can't be undone.
Many thanks for the answer! In Poland many Catholics treat Liturgy in a very modern and protestant way. To make it fast, simply and easy. Maybe such recordings could help the people to realize that liturgy can be really one of the ways to meet Christ.
Very beautiful. The various rites were really fascinating. The Cracow cathedral also had its rite, used up to the end of 16th. cent. The missals and preserved, maybe it is possible to reconstruct such a mass and celebrate in this form from time to time? (I do not consider the tridentine Mass very useful today, because the lay-participants are a bit too out of the celebration). And I have one question: who are the Anglo-catholics? (I am Roman-Catholic).
Anglo Catholics are devoted members of the Church of England,who follow Roman Catholic Tradition,with liturgy and the way they live.I am sure they will be reunited to us very soon,if you look at the Shrine sites for Our Lady of Walsingham,you will see how close our friends are too the Holy Father and the Church.
Anglo-Catholics, as I was, see the Anglican church as a schism (falling apart of communion) rather than a rebellion, as was the Protestant reformation. The Sarum Rite is the traditional, pre-English Reformation, rite ("Sarum" is the old Latin old name for the city of Salisbury).
Many regions had their own rites that were suppressed at Trent but now we primarily know the Tridentine (Extraordinary) and Paul VI (Ordinary) forms of the Roman Rite and the Byzantine Rite in the East.
I dont think that the Sarum Rite is being used by the Catholic Church at present, however there may be a small number of groups still using this Rite occasionally.
I do know, however, that the faction of Anglicans calling themselves "Anglo-Catholics" or "Traditional Anglicans" are now trying to revive some of the vestments and rubrics of this Rite for use in their own protestant Rites, in order to appear in continuity with tradition which is not nescessarily "Roman"!
Quite true: "he is the Bishop of Rome... no more no less". But, as St. Maximus the Confessor says: "The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed."
He adds: "all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her".
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Saint Maximus might have been slightly in error, as befits a human. The Roman Catholic Church as it was before the stupid dogmas of the IXX and XX centuries, has vanished forever! Due mostly to its sacerdotal elevation of the clergy dominated by the heirarchy. The Church of England, The Church of Ireland, and the Scottish Episcopal Church are the closest thing we now have to Heaven.
That's an easy thing to say! St. Maximus was just wrong, but I'm right! Now, if I assume that you're an Anglo-Catholic with respect for the wrightings of the Church Fathers, why do you reject a doctrine which they've clearly taught since the 2nd century: the Sacrifice of the Eucharist? Why do you ignore their belief that the Church of Rome is the foundation of unity, that "by the setting up of a head the occasion of schism may be removed" (St. Jerome)?
Perhaps one saint was wrong, this is possible. But were the whole of them wrong? If I can quote from St. Theodore the Studite, the great inconodule father: "to Peter or his successor must of necessity every novelty in the Catholic Church be referred. ...save us, oh most divine Head of Heads, Chief Shepherd of the Church of Heaven." He also writes: "I witness now before God and men, they have torn themselves away from the Body of Christ, from the Supreme See...
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Just another name for the Sarum Rite of the Mass. Before the Protestant Reformation, there were numerous versions of the Catholic Mass. England had up to 4, including the Sarum Rite which was favored by Henry VIII until he broke off from the Church for his convenience but kept most of the clergy (sans the monastaries) intact. This included teh Sarum Rite, which is why most Anglicans erroneously believe it is some ancient version of their Mass when it is really just a local, outdated Catholic one
Sob, I am one. Raffzeee is right. I think we are shooting ourselves in the foot. I There is something about a High Mass that seems so right. I wish the Catholics didn't modernize to the modern 1970's architecture et. al.
The female/gay bishop thing in the Anglican church, and the fierce persecution of all who are not heterodox, will probably mean I won't have a church to go to soon. I'll probably be Orthodox or Catholic or Baptist in a couple years.
It's not Anglo-catholic but Roman Catholic. While some Anglo-catholic claims that the Sarum rite belongs to them. It's still canonically a rite of the Roman Catholic Church.
@MenechemShaul So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. St. John (6.41, 52-53)
@revn09 That is not why we grumbled, you need to understand the Jewish Context behind this text (It was written by a Jew, Spoke by our King and thus an expounding by a Jewish commentator of the Brit Chadasha [New Testament] is needed). I will send you it.
@MenechemShaul@MenechemShaul So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. St. John (6.41, 52-53)
@ErnstSebastienctually the Sarum Rule is ENGLISH. It is based on the Western (Latin) Rite, but was the very specific and special way Mass was done at Sarum (Salisbury) Cathedral. The Roman and Anglican Churches share versions of the Western Rite, but Cranmer used the Sarum Use as a framework for his Eucharist in the first Book of Common Prayer. So if you as a Papist wish to claim the very beautiful rite, you certainly may. But do no diminish the very Anglican origins of it.
i pray that someday the anglican, roman catholic, and eastern orthodox churches will again become the one holy, catholic, and apostolic church. pray also for this, brothers and sisters in Christ!
The Roman church is only one branch of the true Church. The Anglican Rite and Eastern Rite is equally valid as the Roman one. In fact, it is actually truer to the Early church because it has not accumulated all of the medieval garbage that Rome did. If any one branch has a flaw, it is Rome's insistance on Papal infallibility. The papacy is a 3rd century invention. Roman Catholics have no monopoly on the church or the sacraments. Your argument only demonstrates ignorance.
to allsaintsvicar: thank you X at least 10!! Roman arogance is what engenders all the thumbs down here. I beleive virtually all Christian churches miss the mark anyhow, considering how Maundy Thursday is minimized and orthodoxy is argued 'till the cows come home. LOVE OTHERS AS I HAVE LOVED YOU is the long and the short of it. But what do we do? We argue about mostly post-Jesus invented stuff. Especially the Romans.
If you agree that the papacy already existed in the 3rd century, surely you must already be a Roman Catholic! If you think the papacy is "Roman arrogance", i.e. that it's an error, I can't imagine how the Holy Spirit of Truth could allow his church to maintain and teach this error for centuries (until the East-West schism).
The Tridentine is basically the traditional Roman rite of the Mass. It is properly called the 'Sarum use' and it is a varient of the Roman rite with slight differences in custom etc. It is not a whole new rite.
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else." Acts 17:24,25
"For Abraham was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God." Hebrews 11:10
There are no Roman Catholic churches that use the Sarum rite. As it was exclusively and still is an anglican tradition. Look under the Anglo-catholic tradition of the anglican churches and you'll find the sarum rite.
I don't know if there are Catholic churches that celebrate the Sarum use of the Roman rite regularly. But it is a pre-Reformation Roman liturgy of the diocese of Sarum (Salisbury) which spread throughout southern and central England. The reformers suppressed the Sarum use, and it was replaced by the Book of Common Prayer under Edward VI. So it can't be said to be an Anglican tradition (if by Anglican you mean the reformed English church).
The Sarum Rite is pre-English Reformation. Catholic Queen Mary better known as Bloody Mary tried to restore it during her brief reign but faded after her death and the succession of Elizabeth I.
The two candles on the altar show it to be Sarum if nothing else. The ceremonial of the Sarum Rite is more elaborate than most. It is a shame it was not reinstated when the Hierarchy was reinstated in England
frphilipmullen, your comments, spam, rants etc. on this page are very unclerical. There is no such thing as "protestant catholic," whether Anglo-Lutheran or not. One is either in the Church or not. One cannot have one foot in, the other out. The anti-Catholic bashing("papists", etc.) by a man who is supposed to be a priest is completely unnecessary. The English schism should not have happened. However, "Anglicans" will either die out or join Holy Mother Church. Look at the Lambeth joke.
To Sohaila, are you thinking of something like the Liturgy of the Presanctified gifts in the Eastern Rites? As far as I know, in Latin Rite liturgical forms, one only prostrates when one is taking Holy Orders.
I think the Carthusians prostrate in their liturgy. They will lay on their sides, hands clasped. You can see it in the documentary Into Great Silence.
Actually it is not an Anglican OR Protestant mass. It was the original Catholic Mass used in England, and named after Sarum (now Salisbury) and used up until the 1600s and later adopted by the budding Anglican church, though later dropped as too "popish" by the hard line reformers.
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Hey frphilipmullen,
Why do you clog up this good video with repeated slogans, false allegations and ranting? You dominate every attempt at discussing with inane comments that mean nothing. Unless you have something productive to say, you should say nothing. You are simply ruining this clip. Please stop and act like an adult.
On second thought I think I will close my account. I do this because I will not be drawn into an immature and insulting dialogue with you. I am also frightened of you because you exhibit no limits in terms of the accusations and stories you will create about others with whom you disagree with (i.e. Samurai).
Jp2gr8 and I am NOT the same person. I do not know who he or she is. In looking at all your past comments, I have noticed that you have a tendency to make slander those with whom you disagree. Not only that you also seem to make false accusations about people and their reputations. You twist their words and attribute only the most negative intentions to them. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20:16). I find you to be a frightening man.
Your actions on this site are most un-Christian. I will let my comments stand. I am certain that people will be able to discern between my comments and your less than erudite responses. I will pray for you and I hope that somehow you will be able to let go of the anger that has consumed you. Take care of yourself.
Carthusian12, you mentioned that you are schizophrenic....and that you are OFF your meds....therefore, you must learn that no one is taking you seriously....not even your multiple personalities....on you multiple PHONY accounts....
The celebrant appears to have had the back of his alb rammed up his arse with a broom handle. Why did they all come out onto the sanctuary without any of them noticing?
wotanicling 3 months ago
Audio has vanished! Please fix????? (Oops, now the video has stopped altogether. Probably caused by a group of hardcore anti-Anglican Jesuits or something.)
lichtbroeder 6 months ago in playlist Sacred Music
@lichtbroeder View it in 240p.
NihilNominis 4 months ago
@lichtbroeder Except this is a Catholic Mass...
NihilNominis 2 months ago
The music Gaude Maria is very beatiful, but, where is the sound?
gabrielprr 6 months ago
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BabeyyJaynaaa88 8 months ago
Why does the Council of Trent anathematize anyone who receives John the Baptist's initiation rite (Holy Spirit who is coming - Spiritus Sanctus) instead of Christ's baptism in the (Holy Ghost, who is - Spiritum Sanctum)?
John the Baptist is the patron "saint" of judeo-freemasonry. The Church has been in Auto-anathamatization mode since Pius XII reversed the Sacramental Rite in 1944: it's the Mark of the Beast!
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
FINAL WARNING FROM OUR LADY
fatimamovement 9 months ago
@fatimamovement Your putting the Holy Spirit into the Nominative or the Accusative case does not affect his temporal circumstances. John the Baptist is the Forerunner of Our Lord and the greatest of the prophets. Please don't talk nonsense.
NihilNominis 1 month ago
Sound is broken. :(
Cleante 1 year ago
The Sarum Rite is only the Roman Missal published and used at Sailsbury Cathedral.
CatholicTraditional 1 year ago
NO! The sound was SO BEAUTIFUL BEFORE! what happened to it?!
AnotherAppleMacbook 1 year ago
where's the sound?
zachk1983 1 year ago
@ErnstSebastien And what makes you so sure I DON'T believe in Jesus!??
LittleJohn235 1 year ago
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LittleJohn235 1 year ago
@ErnstSebastien Ignorant is ignorant! Catholics are NOT pagans, and we do NOT worship statues. Come to our Church some day. Better yet, read a few intelligent BOOKS--Ignatius of Loyola, Thomas Aquinas, Mother Theresa (you say she's in hell? She's miles ahead of you or anyone who calls her pagan!) Like I said, read a few books instead of those stupid Chick pamphlets and LEARN something!!!!
LittleJohn235 1 year ago
An English Variant of the Roman catholic mass. If the NO Mass be celebrated well, it would be looked like the Sarum rite
SuperRay1111 1 year ago
This particular local Sarum Use inside the Latin Rite Church should become the liturgy of the returning High Church ex-Anglicans (Traditional Anglican Communion etc.), as far as they do not use the classical Roman Rite. This is a Catholic Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, valid if confected by validly ordained Priests (and not by ministers), and an age-old treasury of Catholic England since the Middle Ages. Saint Osmund, pray for us and the conversion of Britain!
IustitiaPax 1 year ago
The Sarum rite is not anglican. It is Roman Catholic drawing from reforms that the Normans initiated to old Celto-Saxon version of the Roman rite. This was initiated by St. Osmund, the bishop of Salisbury. So to say its origins are anglican would be innacurate as anglicanism was only introduced as part of the "protestant reformation."
FolkMusicFanatic 1 year ago
This song is just so beautiful! I can't believe it! I keep coming back to listen to it!
AnotherAppleMacbook 1 year ago
So is this mass even older than the Tridentine mass? I love it!
AnotherAppleMacbook 1 year ago
There seems to be confusion. I belong to a Catholic Church ( the Scottish Episcopal Church). It is a reformed Catholic Church, neither RC nor Protestant, yet part of the Anglican Communion, which comprises Catholic and Protestant Provinces. We adhere to the ancient Catholic traditions of The Church. The C of E, our neighbouring Anglican Province in the UK is Protestant, yet it includes Catholic churches, so all is not what it seems.
gvahey9 1 year ago
@gvahey9 -- Episcopal is protestant, and not Catholic; Catholic is Roman and Eastern, and both submit to the authority of the Pope of Rome.
GraveyardGhost464 1 year ago
@GraveyardGhost464 GraveyardGhost464, that is where you are wrong, Anglicans are Catholic Christians as much as Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic, whether or not female bishops are even true successors to the Apostles is up for debate, i honestly believe they are not, and i could never belong to a church that has a female priest, but get your facts straight, the Pope does'nt make the Catholic, the Creed does!
TrainmasterCurt 1 year ago
Beautiful! By the way I have a question,.... what are some of you fellows Political Views??
jessi95605 1 year ago
Why is the celebrant's alb hitched up at the back? Looks silly and certainly does not feature in the Sarum Rite rubrics.
prierias 1 year ago
Xenogeek2 should read the Holy Fathers. St. Irenaeus (2nd century) writes in Greek that "With this church of Rome, all the churches must agree". Like so many Anglican bishops now seeking union with Rome, many Orthodox bishops over the past few centuries have re-united with Rome (Half of my Orthodox bishops voted in synod to reunite with Rome in 1724). Many of today's Orthodox bishops (as now in Bulgaria) are seeking union with Rome. The Spirit is leading the churches to the fullness of truth.
Alltruthseeker 2 years ago 2
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I cordially disagree with ramesses88. The bishops of the Holy Orthodox Christian Church have repeatedly said that no union between East and West is possible until Rome renounces all of its heresies--not the least of which is papal supremacy. MrLamontSanford: most Orthodox Christians are deeply grieved that Rome separated itself from Jesus's own Church.
Xenogeek2 2 years ago
I appreciate your comments! Would like to point out though that it was Mary, not Elizabeth, who brought England back to Roman Catholicism and had Cranmer executed.
lichtbroeder 2 years ago 3
I agree with you, for the most part, and wish and pray for a reunion. I have a book here written about the Orthodox churches, by an orhtodox priest, and is rather polemical to the Catholic church. It goes beyond just the issue of Rome's supremacy in some Orthodox circles, from what I can see. He is almost as hostile as some fundamentalists are. Hopefully he is not the norm!!
MrLamontSanford 2 years ago
Well I do believe my church is the 'one true church', and believe the Orthodox churches are schismatic -otherwise I'd consider it!
MrLamontSanford 2 years ago
I agree to a point. The Roman Catholic Church is indeed the One True Church, but also too are the Eastern Orthodox Church[es]. The sacraments are acknowledged by Rome as being valid. The term 'schismatic' should be used in an historical sense, schism meaning 'divided'. The Orthodox are not heretical (teaching that which is not the truth), but are out of full communion with Rome. It is of great lament that the seamless garment has been rent asunder by human pride.
ramesses88 2 years ago
I can only hope that Rome and the East can reconcile on grounds of communion. Cultural bias and half-truths however are the greatest stumbling block.
ramesses88 2 years ago
Or, one could say that Rome is out of communion with the Churches of the East. The excommunications which started the Great Schism were as simultaneous as they could have been in the 11th Century. The East and West have taken great strides towards reconciliation, if not reunification - John Paul II returning relics and icons sacked from the Eastern churches, for example - but until problems such as Papal infallabiity and supremacy are worked through or abandoned, there will never be true unity.
warszawianka 2 years ago
@warszawianka Don't the Eastern Orthodox OK contraception? That would count as being not in communion with Rome. There's a chronology of popes starting from Peter to Benedict 16. It's people have made horrid mistakes in behavior, but it still has the (true) mandate from (the true) Heaven, because people cannot damage the Church, itself.
fool1shmortal 1 year ago
Dogmas cannot be changed. It would have given in on contraception when most the other churches did in 1930 and especially in the '60s and '70s, if it were not the Bride of Christ. The Eastern Orthodox is technically apostolic, being founded by a bishop. If Archbishop Lefebvre had become a sedevacantist, I wonder if the SSPX would've been apostolic.
fool1shmortal 1 year ago
Oh I love eastern rite liturgies! Ukrainians especially -great liturgies!
MrLamontSanford 2 years ago
Both Rites have very rich, warm and beautiful lituriges.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Great! Embarrassing as a Catholic to say we got rid of this and now our showpiece liturgy is "Yaweh, I know you are near!" Fortunately these types of liturgies, with Benedict's encouragement, are returning. High Churched Anglicans -please come to our Church and bring this with you!!!
MrLamontSanford 2 years ago 3
Roman Catholics may wish to explore the Eastern Catholic Rites (e.g. the Byzantine Rite), who are in communion with Rome, yet have maintained their own traditions despite the "reforms" of the Second Vatican Council.
mindspring57 2 years ago
Why not become Orthodox? There are some Orthodox who celebrate the Sarum Rite Mass. They are unde the Russian Orthodox Church I think.
Pharaun317 2 years ago
Indeed, there is an Orthodox Monastery in Australia or New Zealand that uses the Sarum Rite. I am not sure of its Jurisdiction, however. Clearly, I am certain of all the details, haha
Of course, whether we should be using Western Liturgies is an open question, but obviously not one to discuss here.
galor4 2 years ago
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galor4 2 years ago
You're so close to Rome! Just come the one remaining step! :-)
genjlcgettys 2 years ago 10
@genjlcgettys Exactly! One more step... Ditch the high altar, throw out the incense, make some rainbow vestments and gather 'round the table for a little kumbaya.
TheSecretHarp 1 month ago
Hard to believe the British replaced this religion with with 2 hour sermons on witchcraft
thatstrbl 2 years ago 25
@thatstrbl Hard to believe because it is not true. You are thinking of the Calivinistic Puritans, and most of those sermons on witchcraft took place in the American colonies.
EcclesiaAnglicana 1 year ago
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The old mass is theatrically impressive, however I can't believe that Jesus, the son of a poor carpenter, would approve of this. Jesus came to build a close, personal relationship between God and Man. What the old mass does is to erect a priestly intermediary which Christ came to end. Lets' abolish tradition and embrace the leadership of the Holy Spirit.
cloudsurfer007 2 years ago
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The poor Romans. The music is beautiful but the Sacred Ministers are attempting a high liturgy and look like the Three Stooges do the Mass.
slikdudelb 2 years ago
Wow, nice comment there. And you call yourself a Christian?
ivanenrile 2 years ago
u.u
DanVilAl 2 years ago
This is the Choir of the Church of Our Lady at Lisson Grove in London under the direction of Claude Crozet. They are a mixed voice choir. I should know, I was one of the singers that day - 2nd Bass. The Mass was genuinely Roman Catholic and was organised by the Newman Society of Oxford University in Merton College Chapel. It was a truly fabulous occasion and is for me a spiritual and musical high water mark. A reminder of what might have been in England had the Reformation taken another turn.
2bravomike 2 years ago 24
beautiful. my last name is salisbury and i did not know there was a liturgical rite with that name. that is so cool.
oakking1 2 years ago 5
In my view, the "other turn" which the Reformation should have taken is the establishment of an Anglican Rite in communion with Rome, in which the English would have been allowed to pursue their own style of worship and discipline (including the ordination of married men to the clergy), while adhering to traditional faith and morals. Unfortunately, both the Pope and King Henry VIII were, for reasons personal to themselves, unable to arrive at such a solution. I hope that Pope Benedict XVI can.
mindspring57 2 years ago
How and why could the English Reformation have taken this turn? The church in England didn't split with Rome over the Sarum Rite or even reform of the church. The split occurred when Henry VIII made himself supreme head of the church in England so that he could have a divorce and a male heir. (Ironically it was his daughter Elizabeth who proved to be a great monarch!) The pope had every right to condemn what Henry did.
lichtbroeder 2 years ago 2
Henry's marital problems were the catalyst, but other issues were festering. The break would have come sooner or later regardless of the male heir issue.
mindspring57 2 years ago
Rome did let England have its own style of worship and discipline. Also, didn't the King have the power to select the Bishops? (At least the archbishop of Canturbury?) It was not as if the Reformation was due to Roman attempts to quash the Sarum use! The Protestants did that. Had there been no reformation, for all we know, what we see in this video may have been the typical liturgy in England up to our own time.
coolerking04 2 years ago
What is the name of the choir singing?
They sound a lot like the Clerks of Oxenford on the Tallis/Sheppard recording (the same aerial strebles and countertenors). Did they sing at the services in Merton College?
Parmafoi 2 years ago
The Tallis Scholars / Peter Phillips have had a long association with Merton College; many of their recordings for Gimell were made in Merton College Chapel. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it was they.
Also, that sounds like a mixed choir (adult female trebles) to my uneducated ear, which would square with the Tallis Scholars. Don't the Clerkes of Oxenford use mostly, if not exclusively, boy trebles?
inwit 2 years ago
According to a customer review on Amazon (by "Hafizullah"), "Wulstan used girl sopranos who were trained to sound like boys (necessary because boys' voices break earlier nowadays)."
inwit 2 years ago
"sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam" (Joh.3,16)
WahreChristin 2 years ago
Rome is the True Path!
axenrot 2 years ago
" the faction of Anglicans calling themselves "Anglo-Catholics"..are now trying to revive some of the vestments and rubrics of this Rite ..in order to appear in continuity with tradition which is not nescessarily "Roman"!"
NOW trying? This was done in the Anglican Church in the 19th century. It was called the Oxford Movement. The intent wasn't to "appear" in continuity with tradition. It was to reestablish liturgical continuity which did not really change until AFTER Henry VIII died.
lichtbroeder 2 years ago 3
Even then lichtbroeder, (after the death of Henry VIII) Elizabeth revived the Roman Church and the first non Roman Archbishop of Canterbury (Cranmer) was burned at the stake. There was a huge need for a reformation in the Church at that time, & Rome acknowledges this. As an Anglican of Anglo-Catholic beliefs, I think it's time to put aside differences. Like the Orthodox, we feel the role of the Pope should change, & there has to be a way for this to happen. Our common call demands it.
dsindc 2 years ago
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I understand why Orthodox and Protestants demand that the role of the Holy Father should be different in a reunified church. Nonetheless. you are asking way too much from us, Catholics. The Pope cannot be just a Primatus (First among equals), as some have demanded. That would be the end of the Catholic Church as she has been for two thousand years.
sfowatcher 1 year ago
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@dsindc Just consider this: St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, ergo the first Pope, and since then the Bishop of Rome has had a position of authority within the universal Church. That, my friends, can't be undone.
sfowatcher 1 year ago 2
@sfowatcher - Well in light of all that is going on, I must say you have balls. Who in God's name would want to be in ANY sort of communion with the Bishop of Rome? The man is a criminal. As for the typically pretentious comments about Peter, etc. Most scholars are highly dubious of your characterization of the early church.
dsindc 1 year ago
@sfowatcher - In case you've been sleeping for the last several months, your church is in the midst of a massive crisis. It is all but dead in Europe. The list of abusive clergy, and perhaps more importantly clergy that were complicit in the countless crimes is huge and growing, and IT INCLUDES THIS POPE. That my friend can't be undone.
dsindc 1 year ago
@dsindc Indeed I've got balls and also a brain. I'm talking about the reunification of the Christian churches and how the Papacy is, for some, and obstacle to achieve that noble goal. The current crisis of the Holy Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with it. Your Ad Hominem atack shows what is truly behind your opposition: a barely disguised hatred. We are talking about an issue of hundred of years, not a current crisis which we will overcome.
sfowatcher 1 year ago
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@sfowatcher , how bizarre. A brain? Well ok, but not much of an education. By the way, I have earned two undergrad and one advanced degree, so don't imply I'm an uneducated rube . . I've met many Roman catholic theologians who would laugh at your arguments. As for the 'ad hominem atack' (sic), I've used none. Here's an example; "you're an idiot". By the way, why the upper case lettering for ad hominem? Go study for that G.E.D.
dsindc 1 year ago
@sfowatcher - Finally, if you would read what I've written, e.g. my comment beginning with 'in case you've been sleeping'... I express serious concerns with your church. It is rotting to the core. I went on to write that specific elements of the crisis DIRECTLY involve the pope. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING THAT RATZINGER COVERED FOR PEDOPHILES. If you AREN'T FURIOUS, IF YOU DON'T 'HATE' THIS, THEY YOU TOO ARE SICK.
dsindc 1 year ago
@dsindc May the good Lord have mercy on you and show you His light and find peace in mind and hearth.
sfowatcher 1 year ago
@sfowatcher - And may the good Lord have mercy on the Roman church, which has so strayed from Christ. We pray for the thousands and thousands of victims, known and unknown who have suffered at the hands of the church, and the complicity of its leadership, from the Inquisitions, trials for heresy, to the current evil so engrained in this church. Amen.
dsindc 1 year ago
@sfowatcher - So many of your arguments are just so unsubstantiated. Differences developed between East and West wings of the Church which had earlier separated from the wing centred upon Alexandria. The disputes were a major factor in the East-West Schism between the religious communities, which was formalized in 1054. If you're going to discuss the bishop of Rome, know some early church history.
dsindc 1 year ago
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sfowatcher 1 year ago
@dsindc Just consider this: St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, ergo the first Pope, and since then the Bishop of Rome has had a position of authority within the universal Church. That, my friends, can't be undone.
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@dsindc Just consider this: St. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome, ergo the first Pope, and since then the Bishop of Rome has had a position of authority within the universal Church. That, my friends, can't be undone.
sfowatcher 1 year ago
Isn't this rite defunct now?
TheEcumenator 2 years ago
Many thanks for the answer! In Poland many Catholics treat Liturgy in a very modern and protestant way. To make it fast, simply and easy. Maybe such recordings could help the people to realize that liturgy can be really one of the ways to meet Christ.
mati1230 2 years ago 4
Very beautiful. The various rites were really fascinating. The Cracow cathedral also had its rite, used up to the end of 16th. cent. The missals and preserved, maybe it is possible to reconstruct such a mass and celebrate in this form from time to time? (I do not consider the tridentine Mass very useful today, because the lay-participants are a bit too out of the celebration). And I have one question: who are the Anglo-catholics? (I am Roman-Catholic).
-Greetings from Poland!
mati1230 2 years ago 7
Anglo Catholics are devoted members of the Church of England,who follow Roman Catholic Tradition,with liturgy and the way they live.I am sure they will be reunited to us very soon,if you look at the Shrine sites for Our Lady of Walsingham,you will see how close our friends are too the Holy Father and the Church.
paxdavid 2 years ago 9
Anglo-Catholics, as I was, see the Anglican church as a schism (falling apart of communion) rather than a rebellion, as was the Protestant reformation. The Sarum Rite is the traditional, pre-English Reformation, rite ("Sarum" is the old Latin old name for the city of Salisbury).
Many regions had their own rites that were suppressed at Trent but now we primarily know the Tridentine (Extraordinary) and Paul VI (Ordinary) forms of the Roman Rite and the Byzantine Rite in the East.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago 2
is the sarum rite now defunct?
TheEcumenator 2 years ago
I dont think that the Sarum Rite is being used by the Catholic Church at present, however there may be a small number of groups still using this Rite occasionally.
I do know, however, that the faction of Anglicans calling themselves "Anglo-Catholics" or "Traditional Anglicans" are now trying to revive some of the vestments and rubrics of this Rite for use in their own protestant Rites, in order to appear in continuity with tradition which is not nescessarily "Roman"!
iotaunam1 2 years ago
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anglocatholic1 2 years ago 2
anglicans must rejoin the True and only Church. The Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.
axenrot 2 years ago 4
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britalianER 2 years ago
Quite true: "he is the Bishop of Rome... no more no less". But, as St. Maximus the Confessor says: "The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed."
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
He adds: "all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her".
baldwalrus7 2 years ago 3
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Saint Maximus might have been slightly in error, as befits a human. The Roman Catholic Church as it was before the stupid dogmas of the IXX and XX centuries, has vanished forever! Due mostly to its sacerdotal elevation of the clergy dominated by the heirarchy. The Church of England, The Church of Ireland, and the Scottish Episcopal Church are the closest thing we now have to Heaven.
bawlmerbuoy1 2 years ago
That's an easy thing to say! St. Maximus was just wrong, but I'm right! Now, if I assume that you're an Anglo-Catholic with respect for the wrightings of the Church Fathers, why do you reject a doctrine which they've clearly taught since the 2nd century: the Sacrifice of the Eucharist? Why do you ignore their belief that the Church of Rome is the foundation of unity, that "by the setting up of a head the occasion of schism may be removed" (St. Jerome)?
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
Perhaps one saint was wrong, this is possible. But were the whole of them wrong? If I can quote from St. Theodore the Studite, the great inconodule father: "to Peter or his successor must of necessity every novelty in the Catholic Church be referred. ...save us, oh most divine Head of Heads, Chief Shepherd of the Church of Heaven." He also writes: "I witness now before God and men, they have torn themselves away from the Body of Christ, from the Supreme See...
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migely 2 years ago
May I ask you what is meant by the Use of Salisbury?
And indeed the hymms are splendid in the Sarum Rite, which i thought was exclusive to the Anglican Communion
TheEcumenator 2 years ago
Just another name for the Sarum Rite of the Mass. Before the Protestant Reformation, there were numerous versions of the Catholic Mass. England had up to 4, including the Sarum Rite which was favored by Henry VIII until he broke off from the Church for his convenience but kept most of the clergy (sans the monastaries) intact. This included teh Sarum Rite, which is why most Anglicans erroneously believe it is some ancient version of their Mass when it is really just a local, outdated Catholic one
thatstrbl 2 years ago
Roma ora pro nobis.
axenrot 2 years ago
This is AngloCatholic, right?
Sob, I am one. Raffzeee is right. I think we are shooting ourselves in the foot. I There is something about a High Mass that seems so right. I wish the Catholics didn't modernize to the modern 1970's architecture et. al.
The female/gay bishop thing in the Anglican church, and the fierce persecution of all who are not heterodox, will probably mean I won't have a church to go to soon. I'll probably be Orthodox or Catholic or Baptist in a couple years.
RivkaBatChava 2 years ago 2
It's not Anglo-catholic but Roman Catholic. While some Anglo-catholic claims that the Sarum rite belongs to them. It's still canonically a rite of the Roman Catholic Church.
ErnstSebastien 2 years ago
@ErnstSebastien Paganism, is paganism! Christ did not institute Cannibalism!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul You are ignorant. Catholicism is not paganism. Read a few books instead of those moron Chick pamphlets, and learn something.
LittleJohn235 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul You are ignorant. Catholicism is not paganism. Read a few GOOD books on Church history, instead of those ignorant Chick pamphlets.
LittleJohn235 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. St. John (6.41, 52-53)
revn09 1 year ago
@revn09 That is not why we grumbled, you need to understand the Jewish Context behind this text (It was written by a Jew, Spoke by our King and thus an expounding by a Jewish commentator of the Brit Chadasha [New Testament] is needed). I will send you it.
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
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@MenechemShaul @MenechemShaul So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. St. John (6.41, 52-53)
revn09 1 year ago
@RivkaBatChava Turn your eyes to our Messiah Yeshua. He is ours we are his!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
Well. Ok. This is a Sarum rite celebrated by Roman Catholic. Yes this Sarum still belongs to the Roman Catholic.
ErnstSebastien 2 years ago
@ErnstSebastienctually the Sarum Rule is ENGLISH. It is based on the Western (Latin) Rite, but was the very specific and special way Mass was done at Sarum (Salisbury) Cathedral. The Roman and Anglican Churches share versions of the Western Rite, but Cranmer used the Sarum Use as a framework for his Eucharist in the first Book of Common Prayer. So if you as a Papist wish to claim the very beautiful rite, you certainly may. But do no diminish the very Anglican origins of it.
pw4489 1 year ago
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Prayers to Mary are SIN
Prayers to Mary are wasted
Prayers to Mary are not Biblicial
Mary had Sin Mary is a Sinner acording to the Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me.
it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
valu777 2 years ago
if i ask you to pray for me its a sin. If you are a doctor and i asj you to heal me its a sin. ?
angrymeow 2 years ago
So beautiful
SherryPerry1 2 years ago
Is this High Church Anglicanism or Roman Catholic??
misty04 2 years ago
Eretici!
AndreiBizantin 2 years ago
i pray that someday the anglican, roman catholic, and eastern orthodox churches will again become the one holy, catholic, and apostolic church. pray also for this, brothers and sisters in Christ!
arenonearer 3 years ago 5
One flock, one Shepherd.
xplund 3 years ago 5
The Roman Catholic Church is, and always has been the one holy catholic and appostolic church; all other churches are obligated to re-join US.
OrvilleDunworth 3 years ago 2
The Roman church is only one branch of the true Church. The Anglican Rite and Eastern Rite is equally valid as the Roman one. In fact, it is actually truer to the Early church because it has not accumulated all of the medieval garbage that Rome did. If any one branch has a flaw, it is Rome's insistance on Papal infallibility. The papacy is a 3rd century invention. Roman Catholics have no monopoly on the church or the sacraments. Your argument only demonstrates ignorance.
allsaintsvicar 2 years ago
Ecclesial indifferentism is a sin.
OrvilleDunworth 2 years ago
Roman arrogance is a worse one!
allsaintsvicar 2 years ago
to allsaintsvicar: thank you X at least 10!! Roman arogance is what engenders all the thumbs down here. I beleive virtually all Christian churches miss the mark anyhow, considering how Maundy Thursday is minimized and orthodoxy is argued 'till the cows come home. LOVE OTHERS AS I HAVE LOVED YOU is the long and the short of it. But what do we do? We argue about mostly post-Jesus invented stuff. Especially the Romans.
kehoe123321 2 years ago
If you agree that the papacy already existed in the 3rd century, surely you must already be a Roman Catholic! If you think the papacy is "Roman arrogance", i.e. that it's an error, I can't imagine how the Holy Spirit of Truth could allow his church to maintain and teach this error for centuries (until the East-West schism).
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
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matt3i6 3 years ago
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In Nomine Dei Nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi!
Oli93ilO 3 years ago
I think it is called the Sarum or Salisbury use, not rite, because it is a use of the Roman rite.
Can anyone tell me if there are Catholic churches in England or elsewhere that celebrate the Sarum Mass daily or weekly?
DimDrumsThrobbing 3 years ago
I don't think there are any unfortunately.
Perhaps if they do away with the Novus Ordo one day England will use the Sarum Use rather than the Tridentine, I hope they do.
162ALAN162 3 years ago 3
What are the major differences between the Tridentine and Sarum rites? (If you forgive my ignorance on liturgical matters...)
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
The Tridentine is basically the traditional Roman rite of the Mass. It is properly called the 'Sarum use' and it is a varient of the Roman rite with slight differences in custom etc. It is not a whole new rite.
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Yeah, I know what the Tridentine mass is. I've seen several. I just want to know in what ways the Sarum use differs from it.
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else." Acts 17:24,25
"For Abraham was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God." Hebrews 11:10
matt3i6 3 years ago
There are no Roman Catholic churches that use the Sarum rite. As it was exclusively and still is an anglican tradition. Look under the Anglo-catholic tradition of the anglican churches and you'll find the sarum rite.
blackarawak83 2 years ago
I don't know if there are Catholic churches that celebrate the Sarum use of the Roman rite regularly. But it is a pre-Reformation Roman liturgy of the diocese of Sarum (Salisbury) which spread throughout southern and central England. The reformers suppressed the Sarum use, and it was replaced by the Book of Common Prayer under Edward VI. So it can't be said to be an Anglican tradition (if by Anglican you mean the reformed English church).
DimDrumsThrobbing 2 years ago 2
The Sarum Rite is pre-English Reformation. Catholic Queen Mary better known as Bloody Mary tried to restore it during her brief reign but faded after her death and the succession of Elizabeth I.
edymull 2 years ago
The angels in Heaven couldn't do it better!
Where could I find the Sarum Rite online--or in book or pamphlet form?
jamesjeffreypaul 3 years ago
The two candles on the altar show it to be Sarum if nothing else. The ceremonial of the Sarum Rite is more elaborate than most. It is a shame it was not reinstated when the Hierarchy was reinstated in England
mikeybill 3 years ago 4
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hahaha you know if there is a piggy god like you fags beleave then you'll burn too cuz your sins are next to mine.....
hosehead29 3 years ago
frphilipmullen, your comments, spam, rants etc. on this page are very unclerical. There is no such thing as "protestant catholic," whether Anglo-Lutheran or not. One is either in the Church or not. One cannot have one foot in, the other out. The anti-Catholic bashing("papists", etc.) by a man who is supposed to be a priest is completely unnecessary. The English schism should not have happened. However, "Anglicans" will either die out or join Holy Mother Church. Look at the Lambeth joke.
starchyp92 3 years ago
Do Catholics prostrate beofore the altar or just kneel and genuflect? What a GEORGEOUS service!
Sohaila95 3 years ago
To Sohaila, are you thinking of something like the Liturgy of the Presanctified gifts in the Eastern Rites? As far as I know, in Latin Rite liturgical forms, one only prostrates when one is taking Holy Orders.
VictorLepanto 3 years ago
I think the Carthusians prostrate in their liturgy. They will lay on their sides, hands clasped. You can see it in the documentary Into Great Silence.
DimDrumsThrobbing 3 years ago
I this in a Anglican Church or Roman Catholic Church? This video that is.
ministercreek 3 years ago
It is a Roman Catholic service in an Anglican chapel.
GrumpyOldTroll 3 years ago
PERFECT :)
prawykat 3 years ago 2
Actually it is not an Anglican OR Protestant mass. It was the original Catholic Mass used in England, and named after Sarum (now Salisbury) and used up until the 1600s and later adopted by the budding Anglican church, though later dropped as too "popish" by the hard line reformers.
gahrahstah 3 years ago 6
The Sarum rite is occasionally used at Canterbury Cathedral.
Silverdaddy101 3 years ago
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What a beautiful Anglican/Lutheran Mass!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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What a beautiful Protestant Catholic (Anglican/Lutheran) Mass!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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Hey frphilipmullen,
Why do you clog up this good video with repeated slogans, false allegations and ranting? You dominate every attempt at discussing with inane comments that mean nothing. Unless you have something productive to say, you should say nothing. You are simply ruining this clip. Please stop and act like an adult.
Carthusian14 3 years ago
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Protestant Catholic Mass...what an amazing oxymoron.
Carthusian14 3 years ago
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What a beautiful Protestant Catholic Mass! :)
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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What a beautiful Catholic Mass.
Carthusian14 3 years ago
I don't suppose you have any more of this particular Mass available. I'd love to see the rest of it.
Halycyon 3 years ago 5
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!Imperium Turcicum!
turkishmuscles 3 years ago
Amen!
Amen!
Amen!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Sola Fide!
Sola Gratia!
Sola Scriptura!
Solus Christus!
Soli Deo Gloria!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
Deo Gratias!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
The singing is beautiful, though not as beautiful or moving as that of the Russian Orthodox Liturgy.
cuttlefisch 3 years ago
On second thought I think I will close my account. I do this because I will not be drawn into an immature and insulting dialogue with you. I am also frightened of you because you exhibit no limits in terms of the accusations and stories you will create about others with whom you disagree with (i.e. Samurai).
Carthusian12 3 years ago
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Carthusian12,
Criminals like you SHOULD BE AFRAID!
Repent and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
Jp2gr8 and I am NOT the same person. I do not know who he or she is. In looking at all your past comments, I have noticed that you have a tendency to make slander those with whom you disagree. Not only that you also seem to make false accusations about people and their reputations. You twist their words and attribute only the most negative intentions to them. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Exodus 20:16). I find you to be a frightening man.
Carthusian12 3 years ago
Your actions on this site are most un-Christian. I will let my comments stand. I am certain that people will be able to discern between my comments and your less than erudite responses. I will pray for you and I hope that somehow you will be able to let go of the anger that has consumed you. Take care of yourself.
Carthusian12 3 years ago
My account is open. Your responses showthat you are not capable of discussion. I wish you well.
Carthusian12 3 years ago
Carthusian12, you mentioned that you are schizophrenic....and that you are OFF your meds....therefore, you must learn that no one is taking you seriously....not even your multiple personalities....on you multiple PHONY accounts....
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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frphilipmullen 3 years ago