MPACUK on Sky News: "British Muslims Fund Taliban" Debate

[failurbanik]

well american irish funded the ira (not to proud about that im an american and irish so you can see)

i can see that (while im pissed to at them) british muslims would help ou these scum

[BigBoiBangali]

So what if Muslims provide financial help to our brothers?!

[JDotEDL]

@BigBoiBangali So what? It means your supporting a war against your government, and the country which supports you in financial issues, health issues and education issues, which you do not get in eastern country's such as Afghanistan and Pakistan, and judging by your name, Bangladesh. So if you do "provide financial help to your brothers", and you dont support our country, which is britian, pelase feel free to leave and go back to your third world shit hole.  Rant over.

[mademan4life]

9/11 was an inside job, u fucking idiot!!!!! Kim howell!!! all the evidence is there

[failurbanik]

@mademan4life you mean 911 not being an inside job

twits like you look for a way to get out of a crime

[Anon12356]

fuck MPAC

[dwarf350bhp]

@Anon12356 Why what have they done wrong?

[choudjist]

why can't humans understand each other and just deal with their conflicts peacefully.

i mean seriously, even animals are better than us.

[dmolmalowski]

I don't know where you get your facts from may be fox news

I told you were i got this information from, quite the short memory you have.

"most of afghnis like getting invaded" piss off.

Indeed you should, for you support a scenario which would cause the afghans excess misery, while deluding yourself into thinking otherwise, the facts are against you no matter how much you merely assert otherwise;)

[alihammadshah]

good point, Uk Gov. is doesn't look sincere in solving this problem. They will never address the root cause of terrorism because that makes them look bad.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

Hardly, extremists are driven to action by uk actions which are just, recently a swedish suicide bombers main motivation were cartoons.

[alihammadshah]

@dmolmalowski yeah fucking good point. Yeah lets keep on killing people because a suicide bomber is motivated by cartoons and not us killing people. About 1 million people have been killed just in Iraq according to a british poll "ORB", and more than 90% were civilians. Do you think no one would resist these 'just' atrocities?

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

He was motivated by a cartoon, his will made that very clear.

About 1 million people have been killed just in Iraq according to a british poll "ORB"

You would be better off trying to keep up to date with the latest and most important information, that poll has been found to be highly flawed and not reliable, even the head behind the poll did not attempt to challenge the data pointing this out.

[alihammadshah]

@dmolmalowski That survey has done survey for national institutions like fucking "BBC". Yeah it doesn't prove your point and you don't like it.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

It was done by the respectable polling group d3 systems, and it does prove my point quite nicely, that point is that most afghans feel the invasion was right, the likes of you and suicide bombers however create a fantasy in which this is not true so you can justify your bias against another group, you are willing to cause the afghans excess misery to go against those you dislike.

[alihammadshah]

@dmolmalowski I am shocked by your conclusion that some one can actually like getting invaded huh!!. In afghanistan the american puppet government has no authority outside Kabul, most of the country is still in taliban and taliban like group's control. Suck on that. I don't know where you get your facts from may be fox news "most of afghnis like getting invaded" piss off. LOL

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

one can actually like getting invaded huh!!

When the alternative is worse they do, many european nations were invaded by allied forces during ww2 and they were overall supportive of it just as most afghans are supportive of the 2001 invasion for life under the taliban was worse, you dont seem to care about their opinions however.

most of the country is still in taliban and taliban like group's control. Suck on that

Suck on your misguided information, no thanks.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

I don't know where you get your facts from may be fox news

I told you were i got this information from, quite the short memory you have.

"most of afghnis like getting invaded" piss off.

Indeed you should, for you support a scenario which would cause the afghans excess misery, while deluding yourself into thinking otherwise, the facts are against you no matter how much you merely assert otherwise;)

[alihammadshah]

@dmolmalowski Facts are more important thn assumptions. Those people are medieval tribal people, they have tribal leaders who rule them, NO AFGHANIS asked AMERICA to invade their country. Look in the history of the region, they have never WELCOMED invaders. You can even look at the current situation. Talibans are given save haven in most of afghanistan by warlords. You guys are bigots, you are never open to persuasion and criticism

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

Facts are more important thn assumptions.

Indeed, and the facts show most afghans see the invasion as being right.

Those people are medieval tribal people

How patronising.

NO AFGHANIS asked AMERICA to invade their country.

The afghan public couldnt ask for anything for they were under the control of an oppressive government, they were afghans however in the northern alliance that welcomed and wished for US involvement.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

Look in the history of the region, they have never WELCOMED invaders

If you properly look at the history of the country you would realise that the area of afghanistan has actually been part of many empires and powers.

Talibans are given save haven in most of afghanistan

Actually the taliban only have control of a minority part of afghanistan, most afghans consider the taliban presence to be low.

You guys are bigots

No, thats you, remember your anti-jewish comments

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

you are never open to persuasion and criticism

Thats also you, this is shown by your childish insults, you must work hard to get out of such a childish mentality or no one will take you seriously.

Overall you have provided a fine example how terrorists and extreme people are guided by what they are biased against and not by the welfare of others, they just pretend to do so in order to justify their irrational hatred.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

The evidence shows most afghans see the invasion as being right, most also see post taliban rule as being less violent, this is shown by oxfam, yet you want to live in a fantasy world where it is the other way around, a fantasy world where facts do not matter, false assertions do.

And when you do provide evidence (orb), it is flawed evidence which even the provider does not fully defend any longer.

[alihammadshah]

@dmolmalowski Less violent, did you really say that, you cunting bastard. You even know the history of taliban? Pre taliban time for Afghanistan was a hell. They came to end the fucking civil war, And you think Afghanistan is less violent thn in post invasion time. You are a fucking SICK dick head fucker piss off.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

The facts are the facts ali, just because you want to believe otherwise does not make it so, afghanistan is less violent now than it was under the taliban as found by oxfam, various other groups have found afghans prefer their lives now than they did before under the taliban, but sadly you dont care.

[dmolmalowski]

You just want to go against those that you are biased against, to help you do this you convince yourself that in reality you are actually defending the afghan people, far from it, in fact you are willing to support scenarios that the majority of afghans are against. People like you nicely highlight how empty and hollow the claims of religious extremists are, how vapid and false their anger is.

[BogusDudeGW]

@dmolmalowski how can most afghans see the invasion as right when over 90% of them still don't even know why it started in the first place and never heard of 9/11 or the twin towers, soldiers and police included. I think its your facts which are fantasy and you definitely do not sound like you have any idea of an afghans mindset. The Taliban was a good thing to start with until Bin Laden and co infiltrated it

[dmolmalowski]

@BogusDudeGW

Most afghans dont need to know why the war took place, they are just happy that it did occur and that the taliban were removed from power, and no, the taliban were not good for afghanistan, they rule was very cruel.

[BogusDudeGW]

@dmolmalowski again, your incapable of seeing through an afghans eyes, you only see through your western eyes. The Taliban were responsible for freeing the afghans and brought peace to the area for a short while. It may not have been the life you and i would want but they were happy, until Bin Laden and co took over and started with their strict extreme version of islam. They're more used to the oppression of islam than having us tell them what to do for reasons they don't understand

[dmolmalowski]

@BogusDudeGW

Actually it is you who is having the problem in trying to assess the views of the afghans, No, the majority of afghans were not happy under the taliban, an oxfam survey has shown that life was quite hard and that claims of the taliban bringing peace to the areas were without a doubt an over exaggeration. Afghans also prefer life since the US invasion than before it. Polls have made this clear, and you are not in a position to dismiss polls.

[BogusDudeGW]

@dmolmalowski for every poll you want to throw out theres 10 more saying the complete opposite, they all have an agenda, govt media independent, whatever, so yeh i am in a position to dismiss polls and take every one of them with a pinch of salt. They also thanks for getting rid of the Taliban now what the fuck are you still doing here, oh yeh securing rights to our oil

[dmolmalowski]

@BogusDudeGW

That isnt true, please provide these ten polls to show that you are not lying. Also you are not in a position to dismiss polls for you presented one yourself just awhile ago, it seems clear that when a poll tells you something that you like, but when it tells you something that you do not like you suddenly become all sceptical. Also the taliban have been removed from power but they are still present and attempting to come back

[dmolmalowski]

@BogusDudeGW

The international presence is there to present this and help develop the afghan government and security forces so that they can be self sufficient, also the oil talk is nonesense, afghanistan is not a major oil supplier.

[BogusDudeGW]

@dmolmalowski not at all, afghan is all about pipes, without afghanistan it would take twice as long/far to transport the oil out of arabia. Wake up, its ALWAYS about the oil. Its being recognised by world wide experts that the US is purposely instigating all these uprisings for the purpose of getting at that oil. Keep watching Syria next and they started shit stirring in Iran, no balls to do it themselves let Iranians die for the american cause instead

[dmolmalowski]

@BogusDudeGW

Youre confused, arabian oil is transferred out of areas that are quite some distance from afghanistan. Also it is daft and also very lazy to presume that all incidents are all about one factor, mostly people do this so they will not have to think too hard about the situation. Also it is not accepted by experts that the US is behind these uprisings, they are mainly the result of local populations being unhappy with their rulers, the main factors of why they occurred are domestic.

[dmolmalowski]

@alihammadshah

Do you think no one would resist these 'just' atrocities?

Islamic extremists are behind most of these actions, also we see how most extremists are also angry by the just afghan invasion which is seen that way by most afghans, extremists however who are guided by what they hate ignore this and pretend otherwise so they can launch violent attacks and pretend to feel self rightious about it.

[timewilltell7]

pakistani paedophiles

[trn2allaah]

This war didn't start on 911!!

[zakuk77]

Kim Howells is such an ignoble, with people like him in the British government, who needs an enemy!

[dmolmalowski]

Asghar Bukhari justs shows how gullable he is when he willfully buys into bin ladens propaganda, its as foolish as trying to decide what was George W Bushes motivations just by listening to what he had to say or what the idf's motivations are by listening to what the idfs spokes-people have to say.

[dmolmalowski]

Also if certain individuals care so much about the afghans why are they supporting a group like the taliban which has very little support in that country and are responsible for the majority of deaths there.

This shows that they do not care about their fellow muslims, they are in fact guided by a hatred and bias, but they try and cover it up in a vain attempt to appear noble.

[dmolmalowski]

The major hole in Bukhari's argument is that terroists are inspired by the afghan invasion, this invasion was ethical for it is seen as a good thing and right by the majority of afghans and it was done in response to an attack, this shows that unethical foreign policy does not cause terrorism for terrorism comes around even after a justified action.