@jwmtanner1 They're very similar, an editable mesh divides the object into triangles (Try it! in 3Ds max and you'll see triangles if you select faces) Whereas the editable polygons option divides it into square/rectangle/4-sided shapes. For gaming models they usually render models using triangles but some of the more fancy stuff in 3D modeling is done using the 4-sided ones.
please get a better screen recorder 'I cannot right click because of my screen recorder' sucks. You can try camtasia studio i used it for one of my recordings
@wildboy789789 That is another method but personally I've found a sphere is a great start with the poles where the ears are. My magic numbers are 12 Longitudinal sides and 8 latitudinal segments respective to the poles.
@Jlowe258 whatever floats ur boat i guess... its alot easier to star with a box and 2 perspective views of a face, then just add polygons and sculpt... a shere has no definition, i usually make a nose and ears then attach it to my face... trying to pull ears and a nose out of a sphere is just plain retarded... id like to see a video of useing a sphere to make a face, because i think its pretty close to impossible
@wildboy789789 'Search Human Head Modeling [HD] for proof of concept.Japanese description. I didn't follow it step by step because that would be a nightmare with the 'timelapse' like method used to make the video but onces I knew its was possible I tried over and over till I got my time under 2 hours. I can show you a character I used the method on. I'm not saying box isn't another way to start as well as spline cage with patches, it just matters on the final product which would take less work.
Dude you Rock! Thanks so much for these Tutorials. for years I've been using Maya and wanted to learn Max but the "learning curve" was daunting. You've made this fun and very easy to understand. Anyway Thanks again.
I really liked this video! I am a computer teacher and I am trying to learn this software and have viewed many videos and tutorials but this by far was one of the best! I would love to be able to use your videos in my classroom and hopefully be able to view more of your tutorials in the future!
call him Jack for short. Make a jack-o-lantern video game object of the game is to see how far jack can fly with out being smashed by other objects. :)
THANK YOU!!! I have been wondering how to do something like that for a while now and, you sir, have just helped me out BIG TIME! I like your tutorials and they help me out as a "noob" to 3DS max design. :D
I have to say you saved me from going nuts in 3dsmax, im used to CAD programs and not 3d modelling like this. and on another subject, if you sell that head to crytek it ought to be featured in crysis 3 with that awesome level of detail :D.
Once again I have learned so much inn such a short time. I like when show how to modify an object you throw in details of terms, yet you keep it simple with beginning terminologies that I can comprehend. Mahal once again
@DragonKnightDrazil It's set there by default, but if you mess up you can find it again by clicking Customize (top menu) > Show UI > Show command panel.
I have one request maybe, although im only starting so im not sure if you have done this later on... if at all possible could you load higher res vid's? if not no worries mate great job i love it
Wooot, thank you so much, i was getting so frustrated with the fact that ignore backfacing wasnt on by default i didnt know about it. yay thank you.
You deserve much credit, what your doing for the community is amazing.
you provide better details in your tutorials than any other free tutorials out there please keep up the good work, it gives us folk out their that might not have the cash to start up right away a decent ammount of set skills.
Kind of looks like the moon from Majora's Mask. xD
(sigh) How come you're not my teacher? I'd totally pay you for tutoring, yet you're giving away your teaching on youtube for free. You are awesome sauce, dude.
@bumtaksi Notice the number of grammatical errors in your sentence when questioning other peoples intelligence. Perhaps you should look into your own ability.
Can you help me all of a sudden my move buttons all turned grey except the x and y and they are red not there usual colors I can't u z and it's bugging me because I NEED z
move tool i click on w and on the tools panel,but instead im getting this red move tool and i can move the object any direction.so how can i get back my select and move tool.
great tutorials. can you please make one about making movable joints, sockets or how to use the biped for animating? ive made this robot but have no idea how to animate it. would really appreciate it.
hey thanks, do you know how to import a picture of a gun for exemple and then you can just create the gun by placing forms on the picture. I'd like to be able to rotate the picture not like a background
This may be rude, but wouldn't it be smarter to add "Edit Poly" from the modifier list, so that in case you screw up when you have made an object with edit poly, add turbosmooth, and then add edit poly and make a mistake, then you can just delete the edit poly and you start where you left off. But that's probably just me being picky, but I find that safer.
there's a big diffrence between editable mesh and editable poly, the main thing in mesh that every poly is consist of 2 triangles instead of 4 sided poly in editable poly, but in editable poly you can apply mesh smooth from the editable poly menus but when you're using editable mesh u cant..
check my website for tutorials from basic to advanced
hahaha bucky is the funniest person ever, not a laugh out loud like russell peters, but one that puts a huge smile on your face and makes you lol inside
im just learning 3ds max in school and am having problems that even my instructor cant answer. does anyone know how to work on 2010 files in 3ds max 2008? i cant open them at school they have older version.
Actually I found if I save them as DAE files, they can be opened in 2008, the only problem is the lights have to be done over and do not transfer. Thanx for the reply.
Just for the record there is a 30 day free trial version that does everything the full version does. If you know what you are doing there is a totally legal way to keep getting it.
Seriously enough about the torrents, some countries you can get away with it others you can't enough and lets enjoy these great videos.
But the feds have more important things to do than trace people who do this, i havent done 3D max but i know people who have. The feds go after the source, the people who uploaded the torrent to the torrent site in the first place. Not the seeders
i know, i know, but theres little-no chance that seeders will be caught, if anything, ithe LITTLE chance there is, the feds would go after the uploaders
The ppl who download these kind of softwares via torrents are usually noobs. They think they can do fancy things within a day but soon figure out it's way above their skill/knowledge and give up. Then there's a very small group who keeps on learning and eventually make a living out of it. Once that happens they will buy the software.
i can't show you dis my screen shut up!
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whats the difference between an editable mesh and an editable poly?
jwmtanner1 1 week ago
@jwmtanner1 They're very similar, an editable mesh divides the object into triangles (Try it! in 3Ds max and you'll see triangles if you select faces) Whereas the editable polygons option divides it into square/rectangle/4-sided shapes. For gaming models they usually render models using triangles but some of the more fancy stuff in 3D modeling is done using the 4-sided ones.
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can anyone help me?
when i edit the segments of an object the lines that sepirate the object into cells don't appear,how can i fix this?
thx
Zheer96 4 weeks ago
graet
COMPUTERSORANU 1 month ago
please get a better screen recorder 'I cannot right click because of my screen recorder' sucks. You can try camtasia studio i used it for one of my recordings
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"I got to put this on my resume" hahaha
PeFoTisMenoSs 2 months ago 2
if your trying to make a face, id start with a box... this is horrible
wildboy789789 3 months ago
@wildboy789789 That is another method but personally I've found a sphere is a great start with the poles where the ears are. My magic numbers are 12 Longitudinal sides and 8 latitudinal segments respective to the poles.
Jlowe258 3 months ago in playlist 3D Tutorials.
@Jlowe258 whatever floats ur boat i guess... its alot easier to star with a box and 2 perspective views of a face, then just add polygons and sculpt... a shere has no definition, i usually make a nose and ears then attach it to my face... trying to pull ears and a nose out of a sphere is just plain retarded... id like to see a video of useing a sphere to make a face, because i think its pretty close to impossible
wildboy789789 3 months ago
@wildboy789789 'Search Human Head Modeling [HD] for proof of concept.Japanese description. I didn't follow it step by step because that would be a nightmare with the 'timelapse' like method used to make the video but onces I knew its was possible I tried over and over till I got my time under 2 hours. I can show you a character I used the method on. I'm not saying box isn't another way to start as well as spline cage with patches, it just matters on the final product which would take less work.
Jlowe258 3 months ago
Dude you Rock! Thanks so much for these Tutorials. for years I've been using Maya and wanted to learn Max but the "learning curve" was daunting. You've made this fun and very easy to understand. Anyway Thanks again.
airbloit 3 months ago
dude i need help. I can create stuff on here but i cannot figure out how to use it in footage that i shot. help?
DynamiteMedia1 3 months ago
I really liked this video! I am a computer teacher and I am trying to learn this software and have viewed many videos and tutorials but this by far was one of the best! I would love to be able to use your videos in my classroom and hopefully be able to view more of your tutorials in the future!
sylviagonzo 4 months ago
call him Jack for short. Make a jack-o-lantern video game object of the game is to see how far jack can fly with out being smashed by other objects. :)
SuperBigboy4884 4 months ago
THANK YOU!!! I have been wondering how to do something like that for a while now and, you sir, have just helped me out BIG TIME! I like your tutorials and they help me out as a "noob" to 3DS max design. :D
EpicPandUhh 5 months ago
I have to say you saved me from going nuts in 3dsmax, im used to CAD programs and not 3d modelling like this. and on another subject, if you sell that head to crytek it ought to be featured in crysis 3 with that awesome level of detail :D.
schmiddi2245 5 months ago
Many many thanks for your work, man! You're a talented teacher and this tutorial is better and clearer than many professional courses.
918273516 5 months ago
how can i create more editable points on a object to edit it more precisely?
and nice tuts btw :D
thanks a lot
aeduG 5 months ago
@aeduG Increase the segments when you make it (BEFORE you make it an editable poly)
sk8er28599 5 months ago 3
this tutorial just ruined my creative graphical skills
farazihead 6 months ago
Your tutorials are GREAT!! =D
where did you learn all this stuff??
tnx
schoutse 6 months ago 2
Once again I have learned so much inn such a short time. I like when show how to modify an object you throw in details of terms, yet you keep it simple with beginning terminologies that I can comprehend. Mahal once again
leilaniahkoi 6 months ago
Your tutorials are brilliant, every other one just seems to leave me in the dust.
macdoo99 6 months ago
I like how you say "Sup, guys?" in the beginning of every video =)
ExhaustedPenguin 6 months ago 4
4:07 only the ones porning towards you xD
iplaycs3 6 months ago
ITS pacman!!!
marko4449 8 months ago
good tutorial thanks
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@BabyyyyEmeldaaa594 cheer up emo kid
TheSpamer117 8 months ago 2
u r so great
980254322 9 months ago
dude... you're awesome
these tutorials are very easy to follow no one does it like you man!
you kinda remind of that After Effects guy, you guys have the same teaching techniques
again YOU ROCK!!!!
SalahDemeer007 9 months ago
'Hey Whatev'" xD
Zakuma101 10 months ago 35
come tutorial fa un po schifo!!! lol
superv84xY 11 months ago
lol gotta put that on my resume
Zyphet 1 year ago 3
I have a question...how do you subdivide/segment an editable poly? Like the tessellation tool, except only in certain directions?
Geoxile 1 year ago
Amazing bro!
thekoko231 1 year ago
at 2:04 usaid poly instead of vertex
thejonasbr 1 year ago
I'd tap that
Enlight3nd 1 year ago
we made a dude, thx :)
Zedorek 1 year ago
best teacher ever
ConsisBarghest 1 year ago
i know this might sound stupid..but how do you bring up that menu thing on the right side?
DragonKnightDrazil 1 year ago
@DragonKnightDrazil It's set there by default, but if you mess up you can find it again by clicking Customize (top menu) > Show UI > Show command panel.
Yialielnu 1 year ago
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Yialielnu 1 year ago
@Yialielnu i do thank you ^^
DragonKnightDrazil 1 year ago
you are the teacher ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UighurKnight 1 year ago
such a great resource... and for free. Amazing. Thanks so much
tmshl11 1 year ago
I have one request maybe, although im only starting so im not sure if you have done this later on... if at all possible could you load higher res vid's? if not no worries mate great job i love it
Sysinput 1 year ago
Wooot, thank you so much, i was getting so frustrated with the fact that ignore backfacing wasnt on by default i didnt know about it. yay thank you.
You deserve much credit, what your doing for the community is amazing.
you provide better details in your tutorials than any other free tutorials out there please keep up the good work, it gives us folk out their that might not have the cash to start up right away a decent ammount of set skills.
Everyone better thumbs up to give a lil back,
Sysinput 1 year ago
dislike bar is big as justin bieber his penis
GameTalent 1 year ago
It is easier to extrude the polygons. Sorry, I speak very bad English because I'm German.
GeorgeTelevision 1 year ago
COOL!
Kind of looks like the moon from Majora's Mask. xD
(sigh) How come you're not my teacher? I'd totally pay you for tutoring, yet you're giving away your teaching on youtube for free. You are awesome sauce, dude.
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zora4r 1 year ago
what is the difference between editable mesh and editable poly? Great vids btw, BAMM!!!
igor0091 1 year ago
edible polygons! :D
nordaky 1 year ago
This is indeed an editable poly (:
shadoboy13 1 year ago
"he ain't no cyclops" lol
stewart113 1 year ago 71
@stewart113 Haha definitely my favorite part!
shadoboy13 1 year ago
@stewart113 man this is lmfao CHECK MY 3D.
WilkoParts 4 months ago
lol what the hell is this. add meshsmooth or at least turn off smooth result at the end because it looks like a shit
tipailovas 1 year ago
sweet! its....umm....a BOBBLE HEAD!
zhir96 1 year ago
this video has the creepiest thumbnail ever. =\
presbarkeep 1 year ago
@hocplyr98 of course mate just press alt+middle mouse and mouse it around mate, it is much more practical i tell ye
Galal0110 1 year ago
@hocplyr98, of course mate. you just need to press alt+middle mouse and move the mouse mate. cheers great tuts, proper good job
Galal0110 1 year ago
Is it possible to rotate with the mouse instead of using the stupid viewcube?
hocplyr98 1 year ago
one who dont know this,he is very uniteligent person
bumtaksi 1 year ago
@bumtaksi Notice the number of grammatical errors in your sentence when questioning other peoples intelligence. Perhaps you should look into your own ability.
skylight102 1 year ago
what computer are you using (put the brand also)
ls111222333444555 1 year ago
Thanks man, I think I'm ready to make Toy Story 4 after watching this video.
MrCoolio0760 1 year ago
LelouchLamperogue, did u mean u lost the gizmo? u can bring it back by pressing "x"
syamsahril 1 year ago
the thumbnails of the future tuts look promising
yehbe 1 year ago
thanks!
fadsantos01 1 year ago
i love u mr. teacher man
amgaaaaad 1 year ago
i hope you dont actually want to put that on your resime'. use zbrush to create characters.
jshizzle0000001 1 year ago
i'm 11 and i understand this kid of stuff + I'm making a 3d video game
crystallyx 1 year ago
i wanna see what you can really do...
That would be awesome to see
delmarman888 1 year ago
you make alot of tutorials :O
Too detailed lol
WorldOfWar147 1 year ago
whats the pan view shortcut?
DerekDe23 1 year ago
Can you help me all of a sudden my move buttons all turned grey except the x and y and they are red not there usual colors I can't u z and it's bugging me because I NEED z
LelouchLamperogue 1 year ago
also I figured out I restricted the movement but I can't find any hotkey to unrestrict
LelouchLamperogue 1 year ago
thanks for the tutorials! :D iv'e learn a lot :D
JunelRockViolin 1 year ago
if you press control z the mistake erase
casiel10000 1 year ago
only selects the normals, porning towards you lol omg so funny
KEEQ3 1 year ago
He ain't no cyclops! lololololol
AlineHatshepsut 1 year ago
God bluss you man!!!!!!
fasikamaa 1 year ago
Awesome
scratchman10000 1 year ago
help pls!!!!
im seem to be missing my x,y,z selevt
move tool i click on w and on the tools panel,but instead im getting this red move tool and i can move the object any direction.so how can i get back my select and move tool.
graphomet 1 year ago
@graphomet Me too, if someone can help us...
Kardes87 1 year ago
@graphomet Find it! Press X and its will reappear^^
Kardes87 1 year ago
it look like disfigured frog
zeustho 1 year ago
Nice model, pretty funny face, your good at explaining stuff, thank you very much
bgt4w5jh5 1 year ago
the thumbnail for this vid was funny lol
GameCentral123 1 year ago
modeling in 3d is fucking hard
ProviderMR 1 year ago
this isn't a short tutorial but I like the step by step you used for showing the polys :D
Mixamo3DAnimation 1 year ago
tnx mr jacko!
kakunukia 1 year ago
You can just convert to editable poly in the modifier drop down you know lol....Great tutorial!!! best on Youtube Ive seen so far
kyuss789 1 year ago
great tutorial
GSBvideos 1 year ago
I don't think 8 mins is a short tutiroiol
ninjaman494 1 year ago
Can you say me how is calles or how i put the cube that say the faces, like front, o that, please......
Thanks also......And keep doing that awsome tutorials.........Thanks
Reginex95 1 year ago
OK, quick question, when should i work with editable poly and editable mesh?
waldoc6 1 year ago
great tutorials. can you please make one about making movable joints, sockets or how to use the biped for animating? ive made this robot but have no idea how to animate it. would really appreciate it.
taragizta 1 year ago
loooooool
xrhstos3000 1 year ago
hey thanks, do you know how to import a picture of a gun for exemple and then you can just create the gun by placing forms on the picture. I'd like to be able to rotate the picture not like a background
Thanks
xboxGl1tch3r 1 year ago
Thanks a lot. It was perfect for me because I got the program but I have not idea how to use it. Now I can.
piratas92 1 year ago
Nice Work !!! Thanks
janmevold79 1 year ago
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this tutorial has been taken from 3ds max 2010 bible book... nice work...i guess.
xld3000 1 year ago
@xld3000 Notice how you say "2010". This was made in August 18, 2009. Please think before you speak.
IExiify 1 year ago
*Facepalm* both of you fail.
Travisdjtg 1 year ago
@IExiify Notice how this tutorial is in 3ds max 2010 version, so please think before you speak.
yzbi 1 year ago
@yzbi Sorry I'm not jesus.
IExiify 1 year ago
and 3ds max 2010 came out in april of 2009, maybe you should think before you speak, asshole.
xld3000 1 year ago
@xld3000 Sorry I didn't know jesus.
IExiify 1 year ago
hmm i dont get the dots around the ball =/.. at least i can't see them
alcondiblu2007 1 year ago
i cant see the small dots around the ball, tho i can select them (without seen em), can anyone help?
alcondiblu2007 1 year ago
are you enabling the vertex in modify?
minigooshey 1 year ago
This may be rude, but wouldn't it be smarter to add "Edit Poly" from the modifier list, so that in case you screw up when you have made an object with edit poly, add turbosmooth, and then add edit poly and make a mistake, then you can just delete the edit poly and you start where you left off. But that's probably just me being picky, but I find that safer.
TheOddApple 1 year ago 22
@TheOddApple I didn't get it...:)
dopefiend690 1 year ago
@TheOddApple Hey thats a great advice, hope bucky takes that tip in consideration, its just like adding an adjustment layer, very smart
Thanks for the tip Ps. do you do tuts?
-A
leafblowinSK8 1 year ago
Your Tut are off the chain!!!! u make me happy.
TheLegend516 1 year ago
the arrows for moving,rotating,scaling dissapear they just remain red lines how can i fix this?
bathoids 2 years ago
Press "x"
blazetronx 2 years ago
thanks
bathoids 2 years ago
dude thanks man
naishkiteboarder 2 years ago
This is the tutorial I was waiting for.
sonnifer 2 years ago
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MrProfXXL 2 years ago
O thank you sooo mush!
simme808 2 years ago
So what is the difference in using an editable mesh and an editable poly?
o0Vox 2 years ago
there's a big diffrence between editable mesh and editable poly, the main thing in mesh that every poly is consist of 2 triangles instead of 4 sided poly in editable poly, but in editable poly you can apply mesh smooth from the editable poly menus but when you're using editable mesh u cant..
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Blackart3D 2 years ago
hahaha bucky is the funniest person ever, not a laugh out loud like russell peters, but one that puts a huge smile on your face and makes you lol inside
harjinder14 2 years ago
Thanx for the tutorials! You make it actually interesting to learn, unlike the ones from autodesk...puts me to sleep.
skud9999 2 years ago 57
i agree lol
RfactorVideo 2 years ago
download plz ?
speed96880 1 year ago
@skud9999 I know i swear that thing is a freaking robot! its sooooooooooo boring to listen to
Kiki25464 1 year ago
that was indeed a master piece lol
hoyun 2 years ago
im just learning 3ds max in school and am having problems that even my instructor cant answer. does anyone know how to work on 2010 files in 3ds max 2008? i cant open them at school they have older version.
mcgwyire 2 years ago
Ofcourse you cant... Cuz its not possible to make them from 2010 into 2008 files.
wownelfcritter2000 2 years ago
Actually I found if I save them as DAE files, they can be opened in 2008, the only problem is the lights have to be done over and do not transfer. Thanx for the reply.
mcgwyire 2 years ago
Ohh.. Then i was wrong :D. Great job finding that out!
wownelfcritter2000 2 years ago
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Best on You tube by a clear distance!!!!
bazray09 2 years ago
"so now we have this little dude ..."
i like it ..
thank you so much for the great tuts .
00ScorpionWarrior 2 years ago
thanks for the vid!
lignsligns 2 years ago
i have the full version 2010 and mudbox from torrents
MONEYVAL9 2 years ago
Just for the record there is a 30 day free trial version that does everything the full version does. If you know what you are doing there is a totally legal way to keep getting it.
Seriously enough about the torrents, some countries you can get away with it others you can't enough and lets enjoy these great videos.
SupComRaiden2 2 years ago
how? i have a student license but it expires. i'd love 2 know how to keep it free & legally.
mcgwyire 2 years ago
awesome, keep em coming!
chiseller 2 years ago
wow
you are great ^^;
keep going man ;)
XemTheHeartless 2 years ago
downloading from a torrent is illegal you can pay more than $3000 if your caught ;)
JCDstan 2 years ago
okay everyone just shut up and stop arguing about buying it or downloading it for free!!!
btw thenewboston i love your tuturials keep going!!
knightindustrieski3t 2 years ago
u shud put that in ur resume for sure lol haha ....i love these tutorials ...
reventonmax8 2 years ago
link for a torrent
sammanu13 2 years ago
n00b, sammanu. BUY IT.
jancom777 2 years ago 2
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damn ur good at this, you get it from a torrent?
JESUSISAMERICAN7328 2 years ago
n00b, JESUISAMERICAN. BUY IT.
jancom777 2 years ago
Real n00bs spend 3,500 dollars on things when they get them for free :D
JESUSISAMERICAN7328 2 years ago 2
No. If everyone were to download it illegally, the companies would stop making software.
jancom777 2 years ago
but not everyone downloads it illegally, so they continue to make software
JESUSISAMERICAN7328 2 years ago
No, but more and more people do. Please, just buy it. Trust me, if you really need it ( game development, etc), you'll just buy it and write it off.
jancom777 2 years ago
$3000 is not an accessible price.
gasto5 2 years ago
im not gonna trust someone who doesnt know what the hell theyre talking about, not everyone can afford 3500 dollars worth of software.
Im not going to download the torrent because idc too much about the software, but im just saying its an option
JESUSISAMERICAN7328 2 years ago
Can you afford the 5000$ fine then?
jancom777 2 years ago
lol, its much more than 5,000, try 5 miliion
But the feds have more important things to do than trace people who do this, i havent done 3D max but i know people who have. The feds go after the source, the people who uploaded the torrent to the torrent site in the first place. Not the seeders
JESUSISAMERICAN7328 2 years ago
Many people have uploaded torrents and they arnt caught either.
Parsa1859 2 years ago
i know, i know, but theres little-no chance that seeders will be caught, if anything, ithe LITTLE chance there is, the feds would go after the uploaders
JESUSISAMERICAN7328 2 years ago
the way you talk about it makes it sound like a drug lol
JQPRILL 2 years ago
I don't agree.
The ppl who download these kind of softwares via torrents are usually noobs. They think they can do fancy things within a day but soon figure out it's way above their skill/knowledge and give up. Then there's a very small group who keeps on learning and eventually make a living out of it. Once that happens they will buy the software.
Bottom line: It's a win-win situation.
chiseller 2 years ago