This engine is named wrong... TSI: Twincharger Stratified Injection refers to 2 equal charging components, since the Supercharger is totally diferent to the Turbo the engine should be Called DSI: DualCharger Stratified Injection. Like if you agree ( i know you do)
@BadAssEngineering Actually supercharging and turbocharging an engine is called Twincharging... so the engine name is a-okay! And if a car has two of the same force inductors it will be call twin turbocharged or twin supercharged and NOT twincharged...
Yet more needless bollocks.You can just imagine the headaches this lot will create,one bad electrical connection or sensor with an intermediate fault will have you running round in circles and the local service centre scratching their heads when the test gear tells them all is fine.That is until the intermediate fault happens again and it dies on you,usually in the middle of nowhere.When will they learn that simple is best and people want reliability,not novelty.
@jl4redbull I not referring to just the supercharger,I'm referring to any electronic component in the car.Having worked in the motor industry for some considerable time I too have been plagued with such faults on customers cars and been to endless breakdowns,the intermediate electrical fault has been the bain of technicians since electronics appeared in cars! Electronics does not mix with water/oil/dirt etc and as said before it takes only one faulty connection or circuit board,simple=reliable.
@silver760 i agree , this modern system is over complicating everything which results in huge reliability issues. i know this from first hand but i'm with you on that they should bring back simplicity in engines again because this stuff is clearly not the ''future''.
I think the Lancia Delta S4's system is a bit different, unlike TSI , the air intake will go through the turbocharger first before the supercharger. Plus, the Delta S4 engine utilized 'twin' intercoolers for both the turbocharger & the supercharger. Talking about ultimate power & response!
wait so if i took the aw11 mr2 and install a turbo and pipe the sc to boost into the turbo intake would i lose power if i dont make some system like this. with the switch from sc and turbo back to turbo.
@Niel360 At maximum engine speed, the engine will require more air volume then at lower engine speed. Ex.: 2000 rpm vs 6000 rpm at 2000 rpm the engine will require 3x less air in function of time then at 6000 rpm therefore, a small supercharger will be able to provide the required high pressure.
I'll give you a real life example. In my old audi S4, at 7000rpm, boost dropped because the stock turbo could not sustain the 1.1 bar that it could provide at 3000 - 5500 rpm.
@Niel360 1.8bar is a lot of air at low RPMS. The supercharger most likely can provide the amount of air required to power the car above 3500rpms but it is not as efficient as a turbo. Esp if the supercharger is designed to only the power the car at the lower RPMS. The VW engineers picked a supercharger and turbo to maximum the design of the system. A tiny supercharge for the low end and a larger turbo for the top end.
Yes but you also have to talk in consideration that its a company not a tuning garage so surely they could give a powerful engine but they are also keen on giving the engine the longest half-life possible, and also to avoid constant damage and break-downs.
This engine is named wrong... TSI: Twincharger Stratified Injection refers to 2 equal charging components, since the Supercharger is totally diferent to the Turbo the engine should be Called DSI: DualCharger Stratified Injection. Like if you agree ( i know you do)
BadAssEngineering 1 month ago
@BadAssEngineering Actually supercharging and turbocharging an engine is called Twincharging... so the engine name is a-okay! And if a car has two of the same force inductors it will be call twin turbocharged or twin supercharged and NOT twincharged...
91MarioZ 2 weeks ago
@91MarioZ yes, I get your point, you put it in a very good perspective
BadAssEngineering 2 weeks ago
TSI TURBOCHARGER can use only petrol octane 98-100.
warninshoarmy 1 month ago
1.4 TSI TWINCHARGER ENGINE A/T : 9.4L/100km in city,7L/100km on highway
1.4 TSI TURBOCHARGER A/T : 2,500L/100km in city,4,000L/100km on highway
1.2 TSI TURBOCHARGER A/T : 2,000L/100km in city,3,000L/100km on highway
1.8 TSI TURBOCHARGER A/T : 5,000L/100km in city,7,200L/100km on highway
2.0 TSI TURBOCHARGER A/T : 7,800L/100km in city,9,100L/100km on highway
warninshoarmy 1 month ago
hmmm, what about super and twin turbo charging?.... so much more complex pipeworks.
supramonster 4 months ago
@supramonster is there such a set up...? But why not use a supercharger with a Big Turbo... isn't it more better...?
al3dx 2 months ago
smart design, they just need to put the turbo BEFORE the supercharger, so both can work at once, and be useful.
montey1017 6 months ago
In Russia, every second car with FSI has a problem with the engine. Sellthe car with FSI in RUSSIA - impossible.
seoinfo 6 months ago
@seoinfo
FSI ?
BeKozlov90 6 months ago
Yet more needless bollocks.You can just imagine the headaches this lot will create,one bad electrical connection or sensor with an intermediate fault will have you running round in circles and the local service centre scratching their heads when the test gear tells them all is fine.That is until the intermediate fault happens again and it dies on you,usually in the middle of nowhere.When will they learn that simple is best and people want reliability,not novelty.
silver760 7 months ago
@silver760 so you'll be left without a supercharger is the magnetic sensor goes, o well car still goes. Or are you referring to something else?
technology is the future. people said the same thing when fuel injection replaced carbs.
jl4redbull 7 months ago
@jl4redbull I not referring to just the supercharger,I'm referring to any electronic component in the car.Having worked in the motor industry for some considerable time I too have been plagued with such faults on customers cars and been to endless breakdowns,the intermediate electrical fault has been the bain of technicians since electronics appeared in cars! Electronics does not mix with water/oil/dirt etc and as said before it takes only one faulty connection or circuit board,simple=reliable.
silver760 7 months ago
@silver760 i agree , this modern system is over complicating everything which results in huge reliability issues. i know this from first hand but i'm with you on that they should bring back simplicity in engines again because this stuff is clearly not the ''future''.
11CODFATHER11 6 months ago
I think the Lancia Delta S4's system is a bit different, unlike TSI , the air intake will go through the turbocharger first before the supercharger. Plus, the Delta S4 engine utilized 'twin' intercoolers for both the turbocharger & the supercharger. Talking about ultimate power & response!
jonndol 10 months ago
3:47 - love the fact that even VW engineers are using mole grips to hold the engines together LOL
grahamek86 11 months ago
The engine is not being killed off. It's in the Golf, the SEAT Ibiza cupra and the Skoda Fabia RS.
mattbod 11 months ago
@banstamen: Kill it i don't think so. May not be going to US but the twincharge is still going strong in VW, SEAT and Skoda cars.
mattbod 11 months ago
wait so if i took the aw11 mr2 and install a turbo and pipe the sc to boost into the turbo intake would i lose power if i dont make some system like this. with the switch from sc and turbo back to turbo.
xstr33tr4cerx 1 year ago
It's just too bad that VW is going to kill this. I would have loved for them to bring this engine to America in the Golf or Jetta.
banstaman 1 year ago
yeah but how much will it last?..
bnCOD 1 year ago
so amazing
rayvdub 1 year ago
The supercharger creates 1.8 bar boost?You'll need a pretty big turbo to create that boost, so it's sound very unlikely.
Niel360 1 year ago
@Niel360
Yes but it can't be sustained at high revs. At idle, 1.8 bar of boots is not a very high amount of air comparatively to at maximum engine speed.
myvideosrockthehouse 1 year ago
@myvideosrockthehouse I don't get it can you explain it further?
Niel360 1 year ago
@Niel360 At maximum engine speed, the engine will require more air volume then at lower engine speed. Ex.: 2000 rpm vs 6000 rpm at 2000 rpm the engine will require 3x less air in function of time then at 6000 rpm therefore, a small supercharger will be able to provide the required high pressure.
I'll give you a real life example. In my old audi S4, at 7000rpm, boost dropped because the stock turbo could not sustain the 1.1 bar that it could provide at 3000 - 5500 rpm.
myvideosrockthehouse 1 year ago
@Niel360 1.8bar is a lot of air at low RPMS. The supercharger most likely can provide the amount of air required to power the car above 3500rpms but it is not as efficient as a turbo. Esp if the supercharger is designed to only the power the car at the lower RPMS. The VW engineers picked a supercharger and turbo to maximum the design of the system. A tiny supercharge for the low end and a larger turbo for the top end.
GMRedline 1 year ago
Yes but you also have to talk in consideration that its a company not a tuning garage so surely they could give a powerful engine but they are also keen on giving the engine the longest half-life possible, and also to avoid constant damage and break-downs.
farghal128 1 year ago
Very Very Very nice video.
MrEllinaras 1 year ago