Rob, Many thanks for making this valuable video. There's a real problem with authoritarians in this country. And Christians are WAY authoritarian! Hitler's rise was due to the German people's deep need for a brutal leader. They had to lose a World War; their leaders dead; their sons dead; and their country in absolute ruin. Only in defeat did they come to their senses. It takes a lot to reach an AUTHORITARIAN. Christians in America ignore Christ's teachings.
@vikingWindmill If his opinion wasn't worth "chicken shit" then why even reply? If his comment wasn't worth shit and your replying dose that mean you as a person isnt worth shit? or that you are just an ignorant guy.
And you said "atheist wussies", now im not atheist but I can tell you this; I'd rather be friends with a "wussies atheist" because christan faggots throughout time slaughtered may people, enslaved races, and cause genocides. Bloodthirsty christans ignoring "Thall shall not kill"
@vikingWindmill Did I ever say I hate all christians? I don't hate the opened minded ones because they don't get extremely defensive on everything of there religion.
I never even told you what religion I was so how can you assume that I hate all christians? Anyone who goes against christ is automatically ignorant? .....
@vikingWindmill Well my religion is a branch of of christianity, so if you do consider me ignorant you can go ahead and assume that. Im not trying to bash any religion or race, just giving people insight.
And for your example, every culture/religion/race will have ignorant/arrogant people, are you trying to tell me that christans are never ignorant?
why does Youtube post full names of people without there permission and when flagging them they seem to create a new search link instead of deleting it....i've seen nice peoples names defamed by this site so becarefull check your own name on google search link it might be used on youtube and if it is they will never take it down !!!
So... this is just a big list of gays that have been attacked? That shows nothing. Anyone can list Christians being attacked, policemen being attacked, or Nazis being attacked. Everyone hates everyone. There is no excuse to resort to violence and, in some cases, murder. Those resorting to these actions are not in line with any biblical teachings. They are instead completely against them.
@Stumperific religion fosters hate and violence, religion is a sickness, an infection. And if mankind is to survive the infection must die. Nazis were attacked for a reason, they hated just like christians. using policemen as an example isn't valid because that comes along with the job of handling dangerous criminals. There are many verses in the bible that say to kill or attack someone on frivolus charges. like it says in livitcus(pardon misspelling) that being gay is a sin and they must die
@8789spartan It says it is a sin, but nowhere does it say they must die. Many things are sins and yes, sins lead to death (In Biblical terms, eternal death). But we have ALL sinned. You, me, everyone you know... and "The wages of sin is death". We all deserve death for our sins, but that is not for us to impart on each other. God offers forgiveness to us for those sins, takes them up to himself and suffered that punishment for us so we wouldn't have to. He loves everyone, including gays.
@Stumperific you are ignorant of what the bible says:
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
the bible not only condones this but also:
rape
slavery
genocide
infancide
just to name a few. you believe that god, sacraficed himself, to himself, to create a loophole around a law he created. stop repeating what everyone has told you and think for yourself.
Gays ARE intolerant and hateful. Gays attacked a nun handing out bibles. They had a report of gay rape has *increased* in the Army since DADT repeal. I'm not saying Christians don't do their part but the mainstream media paints gays as these fuzzy little creatures or something. They are not. If you have an opinion a gay doesn't like they go apeshit.
@steerpike66 Fuck you! ".Male-on-male sexual assault on soldiers increases as Greg Jeloudov reports gang rape" and "Castro District Gays Attack A Christian Missionary" YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
WOW! I never knew a select portion of society (gay) had a corner on a particular word. Please don't misunderstand me, I do not condone people being beat because of their lifestyle. The case of the girls raped in Richmond, Calif. I personally know a group of Christians from a local Bible Collage who held rallies in opposition to the violence that took place on the school campus. Reading most of these posts proves the outright hatred against Christians
Gay bashing is wrong and not a part of Christianity. I am from Richmond,CA and truthfully my city had a very small Gay community, but now it is changing and Richmond is the murder cap of cali it's a real violent place. We are not used to Gays (very used to gun violence). In High School they had a gay and lesbian student alliance but would not allow prayer. Christians weren't "bashed" we were and still are being murdered for our beliefs of love. Research Christian Columbine massacre victims
@jstunna4900 If your school wouldn't allow you to pray that's (a) very unusual, and (b) deeply wrong.
Or did you mean that your school force other people to watch you pray?
Form a Bible club. If the school allows a GSA it must allow a Bible club. Pray all you want in the club, or, indeed, out of it. No one will stop you as long as you're not interfering in class activities.
What the school can't do is to claim that you represent the school or all your fellow-students when you pray.
You know what the funniest part is? These people are ADULTS! LOL The CADL are adults who blatantly lie (which is a sin) and twist these so called "Bashings" to fit their agenda. That's why I can't take any religion seriously. They're all full of hypocrites and people that generally don't give a fuck about their fellow man. They would rather judge them. Religion is such a joke, and the scales will never be balanced. There have been waaaaaaaay more bashings/persecutions committed by christians.
I was unaware of this "bashing" list fabricated by the religious right. What's ironic is how many of these so-called persecuted Christians fail to see the effect of their hateful words against LGBT people! I do not go out and beat Christians with rocks or shoot them for being religious - not even the ones who carry signs to funerals that say God hates me or who think harassment is fun. I do not even want to. I do wish though that they would stop inciting the crazies in their camp to violence.
To the lower poster who says examples are "cherry picked": choosing a few key examples is not cherry picking. If Rob put both lists together and made one awful and one mild, that's cherry picking. But since he responded with his own (sadly common) examples, his argument is valid.
tactics like this guy describes is common, its twist tactics.
Adolf Hitler used these tactics, to make the Allies appear to be the bad guy
Hamas and Al Qaeda uses these tactics
Europeans use these twist tactics to make themselves look like the victims, when non-europeans all over the world reject european colonialism, or european culture.
and the KKK, the skinheads, and the far right uses these tactics to make themselves look like the victims.
Multiculturalism is the sad belief you can enter the ring and reform all the bulls that charge at you -- and then claim victim hood status.
Force feeding morality is consistently proven to arouse hate. If you really are against hate, you would look at your own actions and realize that society needs to evolve at its own pace, and will do so.
Moral narcissism -- is the sin committed by both sides in this battle.
@mindprism No that's straw multiculturalism, which only exists in your own mind.
Multiculturalism is the idea that since there are people different from you in the world, it's a good idea to learn about them & maybe even consider that they have some good ideas too.
And look at your history. Social justice never just comes on it's own. It has to be fought for.
@booley {No that's straw multiculturalism, which only exists in your own mind.}
Oh, Im all for the multiculturalism people are capable of, but the way they are doing it-- they might as well be shoving something up their ass for all the progress they are making.
-the "point" of this video is invalid for a few reasons. As i already said, the bashing of religion is always done on a wide scale, like most of the examples made by the christian group. He responded with closed, random, convenient, cherry picked examples of physical assult and said "you call that bad? This is bad!" (more or less). If it is not representative of the belief it is a poor excuse for an argument. The fact remains: christians are not "intolerant" for disagreeing with gay rights.
@cha05kn1ght And to show case further how you missed the point.
You continue the myth that what groups like CADL call bashing qualifies as bashing. Being mocked or criticised is not bashing. That it gets attention does not mean it's widespread.
And the video didn't "cherry pick" the examples. These are examples that came from CADL of "christian Bashing"
That gay people get beat up for being gay & have been for decades is long established in crime statistics.
@booley Mocking someone is bashing them. Obviously, it's not "literally" bashing them, as in physically, like the opposite examples this guy cherry picked as an unrelated refute to christians being bashed. As much as his shallow arguments would like people to think otherwise, what "christaphobes" (man, that is a good word. lol) do is indeed bashing.
And to clarify (since by your last post it seems you completely missed this), i was not talking about "CADL's" examples. I was talking about
@cha05kn1ght -the attacks on gay people he referenced. Those were, without a doubt, cherry picked. And your piss poor excuse to justify athiest bigotry fails. If someone did, hypothetically speaking, hate someone for having green eyes, he would be just as bigoted as a group of those people, regardless of how much damage he could do just by himself. And more over, that doesnt even apply to atheists becouse they do have an ideology. And many modern atheists do hold biggoted beliefs towards
@cha05kn1ght -Christians. So please stop with the superior attitude. I understand the premise of the video perfectly. I just disagree with the entire presentation.
@cha05kn1ght "many modern atheists do hold biggoted beliefs towards christians"
Probably. Atheists are a diverse lot made up of millions of people.
But we've been over this before. Atheists, even the bigoted ones, are not trying to pass laws specifically targeting christians and even if they were such laws would 0% chance of ever passing) Atheists are not beating up christians on a regular basis. Atheists are not a minority in this country.
No and neithe ris criticism. And certainly NOT on the level as actually beating and/or killing someone.
You are defending a really dumb persecution complex, a sif being victimized is some kind of political football you can "take" from others and use to shut others up.
It's not.
Christians are NOT being persecuted in this country. Not on par with minorities.
Actually I think I was a bit hasty in saying this was not. Yes you are right in that mocking can be bashing.
IF the target is isolated and socially vulnerable.
Many (most in fact) gay kids are (and even too many gay adults). I didnt' meet my first gay person until I was well into college.
Christians however , are NOT socially isolated. They are not a hidden minority. They have no problem finding each other & providing a support network.
Firstly, naming off cherry picked examples of attacks (attacks that are done just as much on the other side btw) is not only a bad counterargument, but doesnt even have anything to do with the list presented. That list had to do with broad examples of christians getting insulted towards large audiences. And moreover, it had to do with people GETTING AWAY with it. All of the examples of "hate" crimes presented, the ones guilty were arrested, becouse we all know-
@cha05kn1ght -assault is wrong. No christian condones violence like that. (Yes, there are extremists, but that goes for all sides.) Yet for some reason gay supporters have the nerve to not only demean them, and not only act like it's right, but act like these examples represent the whole of christianity. Naturally, the guy on the vid covers his ass by saying it doesnt, but what he's really saying is except for a sparse few churches listed that cherry pick the bible, christianity is wrong on the-
@cha05kn1ght "No christian condones violence like that. (Yes, there are extremists, but that goes for all sides.)"
OF course you just contradicted yourself since your first statement says that there are no christians who do this kind of violence but the second admits that there are such christians (but excuses it as "extremists on both sides)
And then accuse the video of making blanket judgments, then making blanket statements about gay rights supporters.
@booley Okay, so you speak english right? Okay, so you'll know i wasnt contradicting myself. The implication of that sentence is "there are very few examples of christians that condone this". And again, there not representative of Christianity (despite what they claim). Or would you like me to take atheist extremists and point them out as "representative of atheism"?
And i acknowledged that the speaker said these people dont represent all christians. Maybe you should read my post again.
@cha05kn1ght Apparently I know english better then you since I know what "No christian..." means and the logical implication if one says says that there are extremists on both sides.
That there are christians, even if extreme by other's standards, that engage in an activity you previously said "no christian" did
It's a no true scotsman fallacy.
& yes you could point to extremists atheists. But atheists don't have a book they all follow that says gays should be killed.
@booley Okay, your splitting hairs now about the "no Christians/most Christians" thing. If you didnt get what i was saying before that's fine, but now that i've clarified myself i dont know why your still talking about that. (And having a named fallacy for everything doesnt make your argument any stronger.)
Yeah, atheists dont have a book telling them to kill people. But neither do christians. (inb4outofcontextquote) But an athiest is just as likely to kill someone for believeing something they
@cha05kn1ght -think of as "dangerous" or "primitive" as a christian does for something they look at as "sinful". (And the likelyhood is, incase you were wondering, very very low.) And it's not false balance, it's true. And i can safely say athiests dehumanize christians for there beliefs as much as any christian dehumanizes gays for there orientation. (which is also not very much on both sides, but occasional). It's not christians intent to dehumanize, yet were still just as hated for it. -_-
@cha05kn1ght & that's why it's false balance to assume that atheists and christians (in this case conservative fundementalist christians) are the same.
It's like saying that since one could kill with a spoon, that a spoon is just as lethal as a loaded gun.
& most atheists do not dehumanize christians. They just think they are delluded.
@booley It's still not false balance though. The reasons behind hostility may be different, but it is still born of intolerance. Intolerant minorities in much larger groups of people who happen to be yelling the loudest.
Didnt say "most" atheists dehumanize christians. In fact, i'd say a minority do. But still just as many as christians dehumanizing atheists or gays.
And the idea that christians in general are deluded is an idea born of ignorance.
The examples of "Christian bashing" did not come from robtish the maker of this video. They came from a group claiming to represent American christians. And the examples are in line with other instances of "Christian bashing" heard from others.
However being mocked or disagreed with does not equate with being beaten up or killed. Nor does it imply organized discrimination or bigotry
Thats the point of the video, which you clearly missed.
I already am aware of the "point" of the video. I think the maker of the video's point is mistaken. There's a difference.
Whether athiests are as organized as christians does not affect the ends. Bigotry is bigotry, with or without an ideology backing it up. (And for that matter, christians aren't bigoted or homophobic for disagreeing with homosexuals to begin with. If they were, i could go by that logic and say atheists are bigoted for disagreeing with me.)
@cha05kn1ght except that in tryign to refute the video, you keep bringing up points that ignore it's premise.
And no not all bigotry is the same. Some guy might have a problem with green eyed people. He might say such people are inferior. But his ability to act on it is severely limited.
However, if there' sa group of people with political power that demonize green eyed people & and have an ideology that justifies that hate, they have the power to act on it.
@cha05kn1ght "atheists dont have a book telling them to kill people. But neither do christians. "
Uhh yes they do. It's called the Bible.
Did you not read it? That thing is full of death penalties for this and that.
Atheists meanwhile do not have a particular reason to kill others for not believing as they do. One could & undoubtidly some may have. But unlike christianity, atheism is not a comprehensive ideology. It spells out no penalties for non-unbeleivers.
@cha05kn1ght OF course you also missed the point since this isn't about this being representative of Christianity, only that a lot of people bash gays because they believe it conforms to their religious beliefs to do so & that CADL's examples of bashing do not measure up to examples of gay bashing.
Atheists dont' form groups designed to limit rights & demonize gay people, thus dehumanizing them. But conservative christians do.
@cha05kn1ght "naming off cherry picked examples of attacks (attacks that are done just as much on the other side btw)"
Well these "attacks" were chosen by a group that claims it is representative of christianity. The video is just making the point that what these guys call" bashing" and what gays call bashing are not on the same level.
BTW, you seem to have missed the part where the speaker makes the point that this group does not represent all christians.
@lizzarddawg- Really? Bring up five examples where gays in america are bursting into churches and shooting down christians. I don't see gays protesting millitary funerals with hatefull signs, or bombing medical clinics, or vandilizing church billboards. I have never heard of any gay calling for the death of christians, however I've heard many christians like phelps and farwell, call for the death of gays.
@bassi810 I'm 60; and I know all-too-well that there are radicals at both ends of the spectrum. What I don't get is why some feel it necessary to have a special category called "hate crimes" when it seems pretty damn obvious to me that it takes a considerable amount of HATE to commit murder or felonious assault & battery!!
@RevDelbert I can say as a gay man that I hate them having to use hate crime laws. I think it should be the same for everyone. Yes, hate crime laws are for more than just gays or blacks. The reason is because some police and DA do not think that they have to go after the criminals as hard if the victim was a woman, person of color or gay. The hate crime laws give the state or the federal government the power to go after these people if they think the local people are not going to.
I was assaulted for being gay, and I hadn't come out of the closet yet at the time. It shut me further in the closet for 5 years. Its sickening how they're saying we're attacking them, and being so harsh, when we're the ones who are being oppressed. Bashing? Yeah, umm...... guess again.
And he continues to spew his nonsense! Christians defalt to the moral highground because morals are a tenant of the faith. Adherance to these morals ensures harmony within society. If societies in the past have decayed with the rule of the Christian religious it is because they were corrupted by sinful desires and fell away from the adherance to their morals and values...not because their beliefs are faulty. There is nothing about Christianity that promotes totalitarianism.
@elelmhorst That's a falllacy. You're also saying one group is special, and not another, therefore being the exact defintion of a 'bigot.' When was the last time you saw an atheist with signs saying "God hates fags"? What about Christians?
Do you do everything the bible says to do? Of course you don't; you'd be in jail. So why can't someone else do something the bible says not to? You're saying they can't. That's hypocrisy.
How about this: If you never sin again, we'll be straight?
A Fallacy? Could you be more specific as to what? Also, homosexuals are about as "special" as people with cerebral paulsy. I do recall having seen athiests with signs that said "Theism is dead" and "Religion must die" so that's pretty bad when you want to actively destroy others freedom to believe what they want. And to answer your question, I try to follow the commandments and teachings of Christ, if for some reason that lands me in jail, so be it, but I doubt it will.
@elelmhorst People saying they want a religion to die isn't saying for the followers to die. Latin is dead, but the romans aren't, they're just speaking Italian.
It disgusts me how you people think that we are fighting against you by standing up for our rights.
Those who want religion to die will eventually need to eliminate those who don't want religion to die because conviction on both sides of the coin are equally strong. Where the atheist thinks it is irrational to believe the believer thinks it is irrational not to believe. Not all atheists are "haters" but there are those who are quite violent and hostile towards religion and the adherants thereof. This is an undisputable fact.
@elelmhorst Atheism doesn't lead peoples violence. You're logic is abhorrent. To say that atheists are everybit as bad as religious nuts is absurd. What people think has no impact on what is rational. There isn't equal ground here.
Certainly there are insane people, but unlike the Bible, Atheism doesn't condone violence and hatred. O wait, the Bible doesn't "condone" it, It commands it. The ground here isn't level at all, as most atheists that actively go against religion aren't violent.
@elelmhorst Meanwhile, while those who follow the Bibles commands literally, are abusing gays and killing people by holding back science and technology. For example stem cell research. Don't give me the both sides are equal nonsense, as I'm not going to buy it just because you say its so.
@elelmhorst yep nothing totalitarian except you worship a deity who says that if you don't love and obey me and follow my rules then i will punish you. Hmm now where have i heard of that before. I believe we have a word for that kind of person. Oh yeah it's called a dictator.
The typical straw man from you again azrael! Will God punish you? The Bible tells of a loving God who wants you to obey His commands because He has your best interest in mind and wants you to avoid the torment that you would experience if you lived without Him. He knows that you will be lost without His guidance. This is far from someone who punishes like a dictator. In fact there is a reason why He is referred to as the "Father".
@elelmhorst It's not a strawman. If you don't love and worship God, the same God who says the guy I love deeply, a close friend, is in hell, and I'm going to hell simply because I find his existence implausable, is saying that he will punish me. And is just like a dictator. The first of such dictators that come to mind is Saddam Hussein and Kim Jon Il. That's no strawman
@elelmhorst yep because every father when their child decides to disobey decides that he will torture their child for all eternity. you seem to have a twisted view of what parents should do to their children. also just to add atheists won't need to kill anyone and atheists don't kill in the name of atheism. the reason atheists don't kill in the name of atheism is because when people become more educated a funny thing occurs. the lose their silly superstitious beliefs. it's quite nice actually
Wow, sorry but...that's just dense. A father tells his young daughter not to run out into the street because of the chances that she might get hit by a passing car. If that child disobeys and is killed by running out into the street then how is that equivalent to a malicious act by the father!?!?! The twisted logic is all yours!
Atheists have killed in the name of other things...like the preservation and perpetuation of social institutions and forms of SECULAR government.
When people are more educated they certainly do tend to shed their superstitious beliefs. The loss of superstitious beliefs is indeed a good thing, a honorable pursuit, but you committ another straw man by implying that my Christian belief in God is even superstition to begin with...for it simply doesn't fit the definition!
@elelmhorst Sorry but you believe in events which have no rational explanation to them. Thus they are supernatural and are on the same level as superstitions. You believe in a virgin birth, that the dead can come back to life, that you can create something out of nothing in both creation and the story of the fish and loaves, sorry but your religious beliefs are as believable as fables and myth. Which interesting enough myths just happen to be the beliefs of a prior religion. Of course you don't
@Azrael666Azazel believe in those myths even though thousands and possibly millions of people used to hold those stories dear to their hearts and believed that the gods were behind everything that happened to humanity. So please tell me what separates christian mythology from greek mythology?
There is no mythology in Christianity, and Christian beliefs differ from greek mythology in that there is physical and historical evidence for the happenings in the Bible. In fact there is no ancient holy book that even comes close to the same level of authenticity and reliability as the Bible. The Bible is eerily unique amongst all holy books and the Christian faith is one with the greatest amount of supporting evidence. To deny this is to remain willfully ignorant.
Yes I do believe that miracles have and do happen. To say that supernatural events are on the "same level as superstition" is completely meaningless and nothing more than a baseless personal opinion...and an unimportant one at that. Upon which crteria do you base this accusation? My Biblical Christian belief does not fit the textbook definition of a superstition so it is not one and to sit there and mislabel things only calls your own intellect into question.
@elelmhorst Not everyone gets their morals from morally bankrupt holy books like the Bible and Hadith/Quran (largely the same morality). Morality can come from philosophy, such is where I get mine. This is my moral code:
I own me, you own you. (liberty). So I should do whatever I want, as long as it doesnt harm anyone, nor your ability to do the same.
@elelmhorst PS, Its really hard to be as immoral as the Bible is. Really hard. So hard, not even Adolf Hitler was able to be worse, and that man seriously did try.
That's right. Now you can get beat up for "being gay when you're not even gay" thanks to the gay community, which has so confused the boundaries between friendship and sexuality that pretty much anytime two guys are seen together, increasingly the assumption is that they're gay. That's one of the reasons why the gay rights movement is such a threat to the very existence of western civilization.
Man, you just don't get it. We live in a sinful world and Christians have always had to exist in which anti-Christian sentiments were pervasive. Anti-Christian attitudes are so normalized that people who act on them simply don't feel that they're being hateful. Like you and your videos, for example. And here again you're making disingenuous arguments. Implying that somehow Christians are responsible for drunken atheists beating up homosexuals.
Great video, I'm just so sick of religious people equating a religious cartoon to the many, many deaths and violent beatings homosexuals have experienced. What is so hard about letting others live their lives? Thanks again for uploading this video.
I find all the various religious groups in the comments trying to distinguish themselves from the others - you are all the same, you all believe in the irrational and unprovable, while YOU might not be violent, the mindset that is capable of doing things based purely on faith is a dangerous one that has been exploited for millenia by the politically minded in order to train and motivate mindless footsoldiers. Religion - a mindless zombie training camp ready to be tapped into by those in power.
The more the homosexuals push their agenda, the more resistance they will come to face . At one point gays were very happy confined within their sub culture hidden within the outer fringes of society deep in a dark closet not exposing themselves to mainstream society . However now that they want to "come out of the closet" and declare their will against the traditional values of the american society, they are now facing full blown backlash and resistance from normal people.
The more the homosexuals push their agenda, the more resistance they will come to face . At one point gays were very happy confined within their sub culture hidden within the outer fringes of society deep in a dark closet not exposing themselves to mainstream society . However now that they want to "come out of the closet" and declare their will against the traditional values of the american society, they are now facing full blown backlash and resistance from normal people.
@bananito3 'normal' people??? describe 'normal' - do catholics fit in? jews? muslims? kkk? communists? protestants? amish? mormons? scientologists? hippies? rednecks? mexicans? what is your 'normal' society? chances are that it is a minority group... 'normal' = common, typical, usual... PRINCETON, NJ - Americans' support for the moral acceptability of gay and lesbian relations crossed the symbolic 50% threshold in 2010. So... I guess YOU are not normal
@bananito3 Do you know the meaning of misanthropic - you can't spell it so I wonder. By implication you are suggesting that the rest of my list are normal people? I see that you don't think the holocaust happened despite irrefutable evidence. The state of Israel has gained alot of political milage out of it, but that does not mean that it didn't happen - it just means that politicians (like those everywhere) are willing to desecrate the memory of those who died for their own political advantage.
@bananito3 Easy huh? Define 'normal' in non exclusionary terms. After all, you are not 'normal' because you are part of a minority yourself, this means, by your logic, that you should lock youself away.
@bananito3 hmmm... actually I'm atheist, not from any religious background - your assuptions are wrong, as assumptions generally are. Religiosity trades on assumptions - the assumption that the devine exists. I'd rather look to facts and posit a theory, changable on the basis of new facts. You have yet to define normal, except by exclusion, this time with a non-existent word.
Misanthrope - a person who hates mankind or a person who avoids human society... all of it, not just selected bits.
@Digdigs2 yeah there are atheist Jewish or atheist kikes, because kikes are a race, it doesnt matter if they follow judaism. If they born from a Jewish woman then they are Jews.
And thx for the copy-paste
"Misanthrope - a person who hates mankind or a person who avoids human society" SYNONYMES: jew, Kike, sheeny, zionist.
@bananito3 Not of Jewish ancestry, at all.... assume away though, if you like. Rational thought is not one of your strong points is it? BTW - implicit in the definition of misanthrope is the concept of totality - mankind as a whole, society as a whole - in other words if someone merely dislikes most of society, or most of mankind, they are still not misanthropic, your use of the word was incorrect and bespeaks of a poor education, as do your views
@bananito3 I'm not even sorry about the Gay agenda. We and the libertarians are so evil, all because we want to keep liberty in american society. Why on earth would we want liberty?
@bananito3 My definition of liberty is the same as the philosophy, which states that you own yourself, so you have the right to do what you please with your own body while not infringing upon others rights to do the same. Abusing gays isn't liberty, nor is segregating them through marriage discrimination. Personally, I don't support legalizing gay marriage, I support making everyone able to marry, by getting government out of marriage.
@bananito3 The founding fathers said nothing about marriage, it didnt become a legal entity until much later. You know, when we supposedly became a democracy (this is only true when its time to vote on things like Jim Crow laws and Prop 8, the rest of the time we're fascists, go figure!).
What the founding fathers gave us is a republic based on the ideas of liberty, you've yet to demonstrate that gay marriage infringes on anyone's liberty. I'm not for a legal entity of marriage,.
@bananito3 As I told youy in my nice response to your nice marriage, I want government and marriage to get a divorce, its a bad marriage. Let's let liberty reign. Define your christian marriage, if your sect is against gay marriage, however you will, let others define their own marriage.
@bananito3 It's funny how you respond trying to intimidate, and say stuff like "who (....) are you?", as if I have to be some authority to speak. Clearly someone other than myself is an authoritarian, could that be you? If its not, that's fine. It sure sounds it with that statement though.
You know your post was very much an attack on the so ominous mysterious gay agenda, you know, the one where Gay's get to marry. Even though we're not some united group.
I wasn't attacking you bro. Definitely not ashamed of myself, and who am I? Well you don't know me personally, but I'm just a libertarian guy who talks alot on youtube.
look yall there are a lot of people who say they are followers of Yeoshua and lead different lifes. Being gay is against what is preached in the bible so these Churches that are behind you,in my opinion are wrong, they must have another influence other than Yeoshua to be behind you. simple isnt it. im not judging you but pointing out the truth. God bless you sir
@breeze787 i dont like to talk about what i havent research but i had a Muslim man tell me the Koran teaches to kill infidels(non believers) so yeah ill probably be corrected. but no it doesn't, your right on that, Jude 4 said some evil slipped into our ranks so i apologize for these mislead people claiming to be followers.and killing. That is the fruit of evil not of light. Im sorry you have the anger toward "us" but it not the real followers.Jesus did not promote violence.
@1voiceMANYminds Why aren't we going after Catholic priests who for decades violated young innocent boys instead of looking for reasons to clench your fists against gays who are just trying to fit in?
@breeze787 i have noticed that a lot of Christan like to call catholic ppl "us",and no one wants to look at our own flaws, i dont feel that way,they are not my ppl, see my favs to find my view on catholics i also agree with you that they should also be sought after and punished severely. The bible says the ones who teach are going to be judged more strict. I feel your anger i dont like my people persecuted either....but it must come to pass God bless you
Great Video!! and I'm not Gay. But it's ridiculus how Xstian Bash Gays when they have a bunch of Closet ones, starting with the priests. Another funny thing is how Xstians defend Ted Haggard and still follow him after he himself bashed gays left and right and turn out to be that he was Gay .
The ADL is NOT CHRISTIAN!!! THey are run by the B'nai B'rith. They are zionists and atheistic. Abe Foxman, the head of the ADL, may ride the coattails of the religious right, but they are no way Christian. You are really narrow minded. You should check out YouTubers like Dr. Scott johnson, Keith Truth, Chris White and check out their videos. BTW, I live in L.A. and am a CHristian white and am not gay.
See what I mean hear is an example of someone who calls good evil and evil good. You Called God the only being that is good sin which is evil. Your anti-christ. And for most I don't have to explain why. May the Lord Heal you from your delusion.
When I kindly talk to people about God and salvation yes, all sin is sin to God and I would tell someone of any sin that God doesn't like because all need to come to repentence before being forgiven By God. What is the point of being a Just God if some sin goes unpunished. All will have to answer for their sin if they don't repent. God will forgive someone with any type of sin for that is why He came as the man Christ Jesus who was God in Flesh saving the world from hell.
@breeze787 His church is not anti-Christian as it has become by Christian haters. He meant that to protect a situation like Europe is still to this day. He wanted people to free to choose their own religion based on freedom to choose. Today Christians are forced to ignore their whole belief to apease everyone elses, that is not right. He did not mean freedom from religion but freedom of religion.
ROFL... "appropriating OUR LANGUAGE". Since when did homosexuals have legal copyrights on the english language?
You're right about one thing... homosexuals get bashed, churches get BURNED and vandelized, people run in with guns and shoot at the pastors and church members.
Oh I'm sorry, You didn't want to hear that??? GET OVER YOURSELVES. below is the TRUTH, statistics that show homosexuals need to quit whining and inflating rare instances to make it sound like a gay holocaust............
instead of fighting Christians (through lies and half-truths) why don't you fight your perversion?
unomnacajit111 2 weeks ago
LOL........ don't get your panties all in a bunch.
coynedogg 2 weeks ago
There is more to do in line with educating the US on hate. "White Supremacy: Behind the Eyes Of Hate" - Amazon.com
We won the fight in our community !!
MikeUSA777 1 month ago
whose idea was it to call them gay anyway i bet it was some bleeding poofter they should be called sodomites...much better
thegrandwazoooo 4 months ago
Rob, Many thanks for making this valuable video. There's a real problem with authoritarians in this country. And Christians are WAY authoritarian! Hitler's rise was due to the German people's deep need for a brutal leader. They had to lose a World War; their leaders dead; their sons dead; and their country in absolute ruin. Only in defeat did they come to their senses. It takes a lot to reach an AUTHORITARIAN. Christians in America ignore Christ's teachings.
BillSalem 5 months ago
poor little wussy christians, they really need to understand that they live in the real world and they have to just grow up and deal with it
MamaMario13 6 months ago
@MamaMario13
Poor little atheist wussies, you need to realize that you live in a real world and that your opinion isn't worth a chicken shit.
vikingWindmill 5 months ago
@vikingWindmill If his opinion wasn't worth "chicken shit" then why even reply? If his comment wasn't worth shit and your replying dose that mean you as a person isnt worth shit? or that you are just an ignorant guy.
And you said "atheist wussies", now im not atheist but I can tell you this; I'd rather be friends with a "wussies atheist" because christan faggots throughout time slaughtered may people, enslaved races, and cause genocides. Bloodthirsty christans ignoring "Thall shall not kill"
IAmNotAJew2 3 months ago
@IAmNotAJew2
Waah waaah. Cry me a river, why don't you!
vikingWindmill 3 months ago
@vikingWindmill I wasn't complaining... Shows that you didn't even read it. Ignorance is bliss right?
IAmNotAJew2 3 months ago
@IAmNotAJew2
You would know, hating all Christians and all.
vikingWindmill 3 months ago
@vikingWindmill Did I ever say I hate all christians? I don't hate the opened minded ones because they don't get extremely defensive on everything of there religion.
I never even told you what religion I was so how can you assume that I hate all christians? Anyone who goes against christ is automatically ignorant? .....
IAmNotAJew2 3 months ago
@IAmNotAJew2
No, ignorant are those who go against Christ with full-gear hate and intolerance (example: TheAmazingAtheist).
vikingWindmill 3 months ago
@vikingWindmill Well my religion is a branch of of christianity, so if you do consider me ignorant you can go ahead and assume that. Im not trying to bash any religion or race, just giving people insight.
And for your example, every culture/religion/race will have ignorant/arrogant people, are you trying to tell me that christans are never ignorant?
IAmNotAJew2 3 months ago
@IAmNotAJew2
No, I'm not. But why would you call Christians faggots, if you yourself are a Christian?
vikingWindmill 3 months ago
@vikingWindmill I feel the overly arrogant christians are ruining our name making everyone bash us. Not directed to the entire religion.
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deanmattt 7 months ago
So... this is just a big list of gays that have been attacked? That shows nothing. Anyone can list Christians being attacked, policemen being attacked, or Nazis being attacked. Everyone hates everyone. There is no excuse to resort to violence and, in some cases, murder. Those resorting to these actions are not in line with any biblical teachings. They are instead completely against them.
Stumperific 7 months ago
@Stumperific religion fosters hate and violence, religion is a sickness, an infection. And if mankind is to survive the infection must die. Nazis were attacked for a reason, they hated just like christians. using policemen as an example isn't valid because that comes along with the job of handling dangerous criminals. There are many verses in the bible that say to kill or attack someone on frivolus charges. like it says in livitcus(pardon misspelling) that being gay is a sin and they must die
8789spartan 7 months ago
@8789spartan It says it is a sin, but nowhere does it say they must die. Many things are sins and yes, sins lead to death (In Biblical terms, eternal death). But we have ALL sinned. You, me, everyone you know... and "The wages of sin is death". We all deserve death for our sins, but that is not for us to impart on each other. God offers forgiveness to us for those sins, takes them up to himself and suffered that punishment for us so we wouldn't have to. He loves everyone, including gays.
Stumperific 6 months ago
@Stumperific you are ignorant of what the bible says:
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
the bible not only condones this but also:
rape
slavery
genocide
infancide
just to name a few. you believe that god, sacraficed himself, to himself, to create a loophole around a law he created. stop repeating what everyone has told you and think for yourself.
mkrulic517439 6 months ago
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MamaMario13 7 months ago
Taste of their own meds
christinepeace 8 months ago
This is why people should just fucking separate. If you want a multiKult society, have it but leave the people who don't ALONE.
TheBlackOnWhiteCrime 8 months ago
Gays ARE intolerant and hateful. Gays attacked a nun handing out bibles. They had a report of gay rape has *increased* in the Army since DADT repeal. I'm not saying Christians don't do their part but the mainstream media paints gays as these fuzzy little creatures or something. They are not. If you have an opinion a gay doesn't like they go apeshit.
ubermisogynist 9 months ago
@ubermisogynist LIES LIES LIES and would you LOOK at what you call yourself. Yeah, men who hate gays usually hate women too.
steerpike66 8 months ago
@steerpike66 Fuck you! ".Male-on-male sexual assault on soldiers increases as Greg Jeloudov reports gang rape" and "Castro District Gays Attack A Christian Missionary" YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!
ubermisogynist 8 months ago
@ubermisogynist No links FUCK YOU
steerpike66 8 months ago
Respond to this video... Call me when they start throwing Christians to the lions again. I'll bring a cooler of beer and some Nachos.
steerpike66 8 months ago 5
WOW! I never knew a select portion of society (gay) had a corner on a particular word. Please don't misunderstand me, I do not condone people being beat because of their lifestyle. The case of the girls raped in Richmond, Calif. I personally know a group of Christians from a local Bible Collage who held rallies in opposition to the violence that took place on the school campus. Reading most of these posts proves the outright hatred against Christians
sphereofinfluence247 9 months ago
faggots eat da poo poo!
fruitycunt 9 months ago
rob tish eats his own poo.. he sucks it of the dirty cocks of the men who come in his ass.. but hey... faggotry is acceptable lol!
fruitycunt 9 months ago
Great vid!
Killjeser 10 months ago
LOL, the evangelical Christians are learning from their earthly idols, the Jews, and have come to the conclusion that self- is the way to go.
OrthodoxDarwinist 10 months ago
Gay bashing is wrong and not a part of Christianity. I am from Richmond,CA and truthfully my city had a very small Gay community, but now it is changing and Richmond is the murder cap of cali it's a real violent place. We are not used to Gays (very used to gun violence). In High School they had a gay and lesbian student alliance but would not allow prayer. Christians weren't "bashed" we were and still are being murdered for our beliefs of love. Research Christian Columbine massacre victims
jstunna4900 10 months ago
@jstunna4900 If your school wouldn't allow you to pray that's (a) very unusual, and (b) deeply wrong.
Or did you mean that your school force other people to watch you pray?
Form a Bible club. If the school allows a GSA it must allow a Bible club. Pray all you want in the club, or, indeed, out of it. No one will stop you as long as you're not interfering in class activities.
What the school can't do is to claim that you represent the school or all your fellow-students when you pray.
TRiG.
qwertyTRiG 5 months ago
You know what the funniest part is? These people are ADULTS! LOL The CADL are adults who blatantly lie (which is a sin) and twist these so called "Bashings" to fit their agenda. That's why I can't take any religion seriously. They're all full of hypocrites and people that generally don't give a fuck about their fellow man. They would rather judge them. Religion is such a joke, and the scales will never be balanced. There have been waaaaaaaay more bashings/persecutions committed by christians.
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kamalmanoch 11 months ago
I was unaware of this "bashing" list fabricated by the religious right. What's ironic is how many of these so-called persecuted Christians fail to see the effect of their hateful words against LGBT people! I do not go out and beat Christians with rocks or shoot them for being religious - not even the ones who carry signs to funerals that say God hates me or who think harassment is fun. I do not even want to. I do wish though that they would stop inciting the crazies in their camp to violence.
ellesbeads 11 months ago
nice video.
those extremist religious tards always like to twist things in their own advantage.
keldererik 11 months ago
To the lower poster who says examples are "cherry picked": choosing a few key examples is not cherry picking. If Rob put both lists together and made one awful and one mild, that's cherry picking. But since he responded with his own (sadly common) examples, his argument is valid.
allaplomb 11 months ago
being gay is not a sin hating them is. gay people are cool i know my brother who died in 2002 was gay and he was and will always be my hero.
lusafalito 1 year ago
@lusafalito I would say this....
are you looking at me redneck white honky ?
you know what I do to redneck white honkies ?
I shoot them in the head through their cowboy hats.
hahahaha
AntarcticanMate24 11 months ago
@AntarcticanMate24 what did i say that made you mad....im not white im puerto rican
lusafalito 11 months ago
tactics like this guy describes is common, its twist tactics.
Adolf Hitler used these tactics, to make the Allies appear to be the bad guy
Hamas and Al Qaeda uses these tactics
Europeans use these twist tactics to make themselves look like the victims, when non-europeans all over the world reject european colonialism, or european culture.
and the KKK, the skinheads, and the far right uses these tactics to make themselves look like the victims.
the "oh, poor me" arguement.
RebeccaLady2011 1 year ago
Multiculturalism is the sad belief you can enter the ring and reform all the bulls that charge at you -- and then claim victim hood status.
Force feeding morality is consistently proven to arouse hate. If you really are against hate, you would look at your own actions and realize that society needs to evolve at its own pace, and will do so.
Moral narcissism -- is the sin committed by both sides in this battle.
mindprism 1 year ago
@mindprism No that's straw multiculturalism, which only exists in your own mind.
Multiculturalism is the idea that since there are people different from you in the world, it's a good idea to learn about them & maybe even consider that they have some good ideas too.
And look at your history. Social justice never just comes on it's own. It has to be fought for.
IF you don't like hate, you have to fight it.
booley 1 year ago
@booley {No that's straw multiculturalism, which only exists in your own mind.}
Oh, Im all for the multiculturalism people are capable of, but the way they are doing it-- they might as well be shoving something up their ass for all the progress they are making.
And that, is the real world.
mindprism 1 year ago
-the "point" of this video is invalid for a few reasons. As i already said, the bashing of religion is always done on a wide scale, like most of the examples made by the christian group. He responded with closed, random, convenient, cherry picked examples of physical assult and said "you call that bad? This is bad!" (more or less). If it is not representative of the belief it is a poor excuse for an argument. The fact remains: christians are not "intolerant" for disagreeing with gay rights.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght And to show case further how you missed the point.
You continue the myth that what groups like CADL call bashing qualifies as bashing. Being mocked or criticised is not bashing. That it gets attention does not mean it's widespread.
And the video didn't "cherry pick" the examples. These are examples that came from CADL of "christian Bashing"
That gay people get beat up for being gay & have been for decades is long established in crime statistics.
Each of your points fail.
booley 1 year ago
@booley Mocking someone is bashing them. Obviously, it's not "literally" bashing them, as in physically, like the opposite examples this guy cherry picked as an unrelated refute to christians being bashed. As much as his shallow arguments would like people to think otherwise, what "christaphobes" (man, that is a good word. lol) do is indeed bashing.
And to clarify (since by your last post it seems you completely missed this), i was not talking about "CADL's" examples. I was talking about
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght -the attacks on gay people he referenced. Those were, without a doubt, cherry picked. And your piss poor excuse to justify athiest bigotry fails. If someone did, hypothetically speaking, hate someone for having green eyes, he would be just as bigoted as a group of those people, regardless of how much damage he could do just by himself. And more over, that doesnt even apply to atheists becouse they do have an ideology. And many modern atheists do hold biggoted beliefs towards
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght -Christians. So please stop with the superior attitude. I understand the premise of the video perfectly. I just disagree with the entire presentation.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght And why doesn't it bother you that CADL is LYING and misleading in order to obtain this "victim" status?
booley 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght "many modern atheists do hold biggoted beliefs towards christians"
Probably. Atheists are a diverse lot made up of millions of people.
But we've been over this before. Atheists, even the bigoted ones, are not trying to pass laws specifically targeting christians and even if they were such laws would 0% chance of ever passing) Atheists are not beating up christians on a regular basis. Atheists are not a minority in this country.
Most atheists just want to be left alone.
booley 1 year ago
@booley "Atheists are not a minority in this country."
Sorry meant atheists ARE a minority.
booley 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght "Mocking someone is bashing them."
No and neithe ris criticism. And certainly NOT on the level as actually beating and/or killing someone.
You are defending a really dumb persecution complex, a sif being victimized is some kind of political football you can "take" from others and use to shut others up.
It's not.
Christians are NOT being persecuted in this country. Not on par with minorities.
booley 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght "Mocking someone is bashing them."
Actually I think I was a bit hasty in saying this was not. Yes you are right in that mocking can be bashing.
IF the target is isolated and socially vulnerable.
Many (most in fact) gay kids are (and even too many gay adults). I didnt' meet my first gay person until I was well into college.
Christians however , are NOT socially isolated. They are not a hidden minority. They have no problem finding each other & providing a support network.
booley 1 year ago
This video is udder failure.
Firstly, naming off cherry picked examples of attacks (attacks that are done just as much on the other side btw) is not only a bad counterargument, but doesnt even have anything to do with the list presented. That list had to do with broad examples of christians getting insulted towards large audiences. And moreover, it had to do with people GETTING AWAY with it. All of the examples of "hate" crimes presented, the ones guilty were arrested, becouse we all know-
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght -assault is wrong. No christian condones violence like that. (Yes, there are extremists, but that goes for all sides.) Yet for some reason gay supporters have the nerve to not only demean them, and not only act like it's right, but act like these examples represent the whole of christianity. Naturally, the guy on the vid covers his ass by saying it doesnt, but what he's really saying is except for a sparse few churches listed that cherry pick the bible, christianity is wrong on the-
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght -premise that they disagree with homosexuality. Also, there "evil" and "intolerant".
When in reality, guys like this are actually doing what they get so red faced mad for us pointing out. Bashing/defamation/intolerance.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght "No christian condones violence like that. (Yes, there are extremists, but that goes for all sides.)"
OF course you just contradicted yourself since your first statement says that there are no christians who do this kind of violence but the second admits that there are such christians (but excuses it as "extremists on both sides)
And then accuse the video of making blanket judgments, then making blanket statements about gay rights supporters.
booley 1 year ago
@booley Okay, so you speak english right? Okay, so you'll know i wasnt contradicting myself. The implication of that sentence is "there are very few examples of christians that condone this". And again, there not representative of Christianity (despite what they claim). Or would you like me to take atheist extremists and point them out as "representative of atheism"?
And i acknowledged that the speaker said these people dont represent all christians. Maybe you should read my post again.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght Apparently I know english better then you since I know what "No christian..." means and the logical implication if one says says that there are extremists on both sides.
That there are christians, even if extreme by other's standards, that engage in an activity you previously said "no christian" did
It's a no true scotsman fallacy.
& yes you could point to extremists atheists. But atheists don't have a book they all follow that says gays should be killed.
So it's also false balance
booley 1 year ago
@booley Okay, your splitting hairs now about the "no Christians/most Christians" thing. If you didnt get what i was saying before that's fine, but now that i've clarified myself i dont know why your still talking about that. (And having a named fallacy for everything doesnt make your argument any stronger.)
Yeah, atheists dont have a book telling them to kill people. But neither do christians. (inb4outofcontextquote) But an athiest is just as likely to kill someone for believeing something they
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght -think of as "dangerous" or "primitive" as a christian does for something they look at as "sinful". (And the likelyhood is, incase you were wondering, very very low.) And it's not false balance, it's true. And i can safely say athiests dehumanize christians for there beliefs as much as any christian dehumanizes gays for there orientation. (which is also not very much on both sides, but occasional). It's not christians intent to dehumanize, yet were still just as hated for it. -_-
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght & that's why it's false balance to assume that atheists and christians (in this case conservative fundementalist christians) are the same.
It's like saying that since one could kill with a spoon, that a spoon is just as lethal as a loaded gun.
& most atheists do not dehumanize christians. They just think they are delluded.
booley 1 year ago
@booley It's still not false balance though. The reasons behind hostility may be different, but it is still born of intolerance. Intolerant minorities in much larger groups of people who happen to be yelling the loudest.
Didnt say "most" atheists dehumanize christians. In fact, i'd say a minority do. But still just as many as christians dehumanizing atheists or gays.
And the idea that christians in general are deluded is an idea born of ignorance.
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght It is false balence.
Here's why. (again)
Atheist prejudice against Christians does NOT have an ideological organizing factor (like a bible)
There is no organized discrimination or pushing for laws that that would put a burden on christians that others do not have to deal with.
It is not wide spread. A few atheist bigots does not equal thousands of Christian homophobes.
Cont'd
booley 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght
And it's not on the same level.
The examples of "Christian bashing" did not come from robtish the maker of this video. They came from a group claiming to represent American christians. And the examples are in line with other instances of "Christian bashing" heard from others.
However being mocked or disagreed with does not equate with being beaten up or killed. Nor does it imply organized discrimination or bigotry
Thats the point of the video, which you clearly missed.
booley 1 year ago
@booley *sigh*
I already am aware of the "point" of the video. I think the maker of the video's point is mistaken. There's a difference.
Whether athiests are as organized as christians does not affect the ends. Bigotry is bigotry, with or without an ideology backing it up. (And for that matter, christians aren't bigoted or homophobic for disagreeing with homosexuals to begin with. If they were, i could go by that logic and say atheists are bigoted for disagreeing with me.)
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght except that in tryign to refute the video, you keep bringing up points that ignore it's premise.
And no not all bigotry is the same. Some guy might have a problem with green eyed people. He might say such people are inferior. But his ability to act on it is severely limited.
However, if there' sa group of people with political power that demonize green eyed people & and have an ideology that justifies that hate, they have the power to act on it.
booley 1 year ago
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@cha05kn1ght "atheists dont have a book telling them to kill people. But neither do christians. "
Uhh yes they do. It's called the Bible.
Did you not read it? That thing is full of death penalties for this and that.
Atheists meanwhile do not have a particular reason to kill others for not believing as they do. One could & undoubtidly some may have. But unlike christianity, atheism is not a comprehensive ideology. It spells out no penalties for non-unbeleivers.
booley 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght OF course you also missed the point since this isn't about this being representative of Christianity, only that a lot of people bash gays because they believe it conforms to their religious beliefs to do so & that CADL's examples of bashing do not measure up to examples of gay bashing.
Atheists dont' form groups designed to limit rights & demonize gay people, thus dehumanizing them. But conservative christians do.
booley 1 year ago
@cha05kn1ght "naming off cherry picked examples of attacks (attacks that are done just as much on the other side btw)"
Well these "attacks" were chosen by a group that claims it is representative of christianity. The video is just making the point that what these guys call" bashing" and what gays call bashing are not on the same level.
BTW, you seem to have missed the part where the speaker makes the point that this group does not represent all christians.
Maybe you should watch it again
booley 1 year ago
maby we should let them go for it and wipe each other out
bazzamataz72 1 year ago
Get Used to it - There are more Gays Bashing Christians, raiding churches and threatening to kill Christians than the other way around.
The truth here is that no Christians are killing Gays - the gay population as a percentage is much more violent - especially with gay women
No - when we see gays calling for the death of Christians we will call it as it is - verbal bashing.
I don't need to drop any names as you did - why - because you know gays attack people already -
lizzarddawg 1 year ago
@lizzarddawg What's this? Smart people on the internet. =O
Nice to meet you. :)
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
@lizzarddawg- Really? Bring up five examples where gays in america are bursting into churches and shooting down christians. I don't see gays protesting millitary funerals with hatefull signs, or bombing medical clinics, or vandilizing church billboards. I have never heard of any gay calling for the death of christians, however I've heard many christians like phelps and farwell, call for the death of gays.
zperra 1 year ago
@lizzarddawg look im 12 and I know thats not right their are radicals on both sides
bassi810 1 year ago
@bassi810 I'm 60; and I know all-too-well that there are radicals at both ends of the spectrum. What I don't get is why some feel it necessary to have a special category called "hate crimes" when it seems pretty damn obvious to me that it takes a considerable amount of HATE to commit murder or felonious assault & battery!!
RevDelbert 11 months ago
@RevDelbert I can say as a gay man that I hate them having to use hate crime laws. I think it should be the same for everyone. Yes, hate crime laws are for more than just gays or blacks. The reason is because some police and DA do not think that they have to go after the criminals as hard if the victim was a woman, person of color or gay. The hate crime laws give the state or the federal government the power to go after these people if they think the local people are not going to.
bearbk3 10 months ago
@gipnfdl007
Straight people have gay kids.
Doesn't matter if we can't have kids, children are born gay every day.
Maybe you should learn a few things before you come off as an ignorant fucktard.
Shonem 1 year ago
That was extremely powerful, thank you very much for sharing this. "Now you don't even have to be gay to be attacked for being gay." Astounding.
Kettchup090885 1 year ago
Maybe the religious right needs to have a first hand experience with what a real bashing is. That would make the distinction quite clear for them.
YokedtoJesusChrist 1 year ago
@gipnfdl007 learn evolution
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
fuck chrstians and fuck gays lets bash both of them
BowToMySkill 1 year ago
@BowToMySkill -_-
....or not?
cha05kn1ght 1 year ago
Very interesting video... you have inspired quite a bit of discourse here.
sdarms111 1 year ago
I was assaulted for being gay, and I hadn't come out of the closet yet at the time. It shut me further in the closet for 5 years. Its sickening how they're saying we're attacking them, and being so harsh, when we're the ones who are being oppressed. Bashing? Yeah, umm...... guess again.
spartacandream 1 year ago
And he continues to spew his nonsense! Christians defalt to the moral highground because morals are a tenant of the faith. Adherance to these morals ensures harmony within society. If societies in the past have decayed with the rule of the Christian religious it is because they were corrupted by sinful desires and fell away from the adherance to their morals and values...not because their beliefs are faulty. There is nothing about Christianity that promotes totalitarianism.
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst That's a falllacy. You're also saying one group is special, and not another, therefore being the exact defintion of a 'bigot.' When was the last time you saw an atheist with signs saying "God hates fags"? What about Christians?
Do you do everything the bible says to do? Of course you don't; you'd be in jail. So why can't someone else do something the bible says not to? You're saying they can't. That's hypocrisy.
How about this: If you never sin again, we'll be straight?
AndreaEatsRainbows 1 year ago
@AndreaEatsRainbows
A Fallacy? Could you be more specific as to what? Also, homosexuals are about as "special" as people with cerebral paulsy. I do recall having seen athiests with signs that said "Theism is dead" and "Religion must die" so that's pretty bad when you want to actively destroy others freedom to believe what they want. And to answer your question, I try to follow the commandments and teachings of Christ, if for some reason that lands me in jail, so be it, but I doubt it will.
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst People saying they want a religion to die isn't saying for the followers to die. Latin is dead, but the romans aren't, they're just speaking Italian.
It disgusts me how you people think that we are fighting against you by standing up for our rights.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream
Those who want religion to die will eventually need to eliminate those who don't want religion to die because conviction on both sides of the coin are equally strong. Where the atheist thinks it is irrational to believe the believer thinks it is irrational not to believe. Not all atheists are "haters" but there are those who are quite violent and hostile towards religion and the adherants thereof. This is an undisputable fact.
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst Atheism doesn't lead peoples violence. You're logic is abhorrent. To say that atheists are everybit as bad as religious nuts is absurd. What people think has no impact on what is rational. There isn't equal ground here.
Certainly there are insane people, but unlike the Bible, Atheism doesn't condone violence and hatred. O wait, the Bible doesn't "condone" it, It commands it. The ground here isn't level at all, as most atheists that actively go against religion aren't violent.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@elelmhorst Meanwhile, while those who follow the Bibles commands literally, are abusing gays and killing people by holding back science and technology. For example stem cell research. Don't give me the both sides are equal nonsense, as I'm not going to buy it just because you say its so.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@elelmhorst yep nothing totalitarian except you worship a deity who says that if you don't love and obey me and follow my rules then i will punish you. Hmm now where have i heard of that before. I believe we have a word for that kind of person. Oh yeah it's called a dictator.
Azrael666Azazel 1 year ago
@Azrael666Azazel
The typical straw man from you again azrael! Will God punish you? The Bible tells of a loving God who wants you to obey His commands because He has your best interest in mind and wants you to avoid the torment that you would experience if you lived without Him. He knows that you will be lost without His guidance. This is far from someone who punishes like a dictator. In fact there is a reason why He is referred to as the "Father".
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst It's not a strawman. If you don't love and worship God, the same God who says the guy I love deeply, a close friend, is in hell, and I'm going to hell simply because I find his existence implausable, is saying that he will punish me. And is just like a dictator. The first of such dictators that come to mind is Saddam Hussein and Kim Jon Il. That's no strawman
spartacandream 1 year ago
@elelmhorst yep because every father when their child decides to disobey decides that he will torture their child for all eternity. you seem to have a twisted view of what parents should do to their children. also just to add atheists won't need to kill anyone and atheists don't kill in the name of atheism. the reason atheists don't kill in the name of atheism is because when people become more educated a funny thing occurs. the lose their silly superstitious beliefs. it's quite nice actually
Azrael666Azazel 1 year ago
@Azrael666Azazel
Wow, sorry but...that's just dense. A father tells his young daughter not to run out into the street because of the chances that she might get hit by a passing car. If that child disobeys and is killed by running out into the street then how is that equivalent to a malicious act by the father!?!?! The twisted logic is all yours!
Atheists have killed in the name of other things...like the preservation and perpetuation of social institutions and forms of SECULAR government.
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@Azrael666Azazel
When people are more educated they certainly do tend to shed their superstitious beliefs. The loss of superstitious beliefs is indeed a good thing, a honorable pursuit, but you committ another straw man by implying that my Christian belief in God is even superstition to begin with...for it simply doesn't fit the definition!
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst Sorry but you believe in events which have no rational explanation to them. Thus they are supernatural and are on the same level as superstitions. You believe in a virgin birth, that the dead can come back to life, that you can create something out of nothing in both creation and the story of the fish and loaves, sorry but your religious beliefs are as believable as fables and myth. Which interesting enough myths just happen to be the beliefs of a prior religion. Of course you don't
Azrael666Azazel 1 year ago
@Azrael666Azazel believe in those myths even though thousands and possibly millions of people used to hold those stories dear to their hearts and believed that the gods were behind everything that happened to humanity. So please tell me what separates christian mythology from greek mythology?
Azrael666Azazel 1 year ago
@Azrael666Azazel
There is no mythology in Christianity, and Christian beliefs differ from greek mythology in that there is physical and historical evidence for the happenings in the Bible. In fact there is no ancient holy book that even comes close to the same level of authenticity and reliability as the Bible. The Bible is eerily unique amongst all holy books and the Christian faith is one with the greatest amount of supporting evidence. To deny this is to remain willfully ignorant.
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst Thats what they all say oabout their holy books. Yet the bible plagerise Pagen traditions almost completly.
JustB3NJI 1 year ago
@Azrael666Azazel
Yes I do believe that miracles have and do happen. To say that supernatural events are on the "same level as superstition" is completely meaningless and nothing more than a baseless personal opinion...and an unimportant one at that. Upon which crteria do you base this accusation? My Biblical Christian belief does not fit the textbook definition of a superstition so it is not one and to sit there and mislabel things only calls your own intellect into question.
elelmhorst 1 year ago
@elelmhorst Not everyone gets their morals from morally bankrupt holy books like the Bible and Hadith/Quran (largely the same morality). Morality can come from philosophy, such is where I get mine. This is my moral code:
I own me, you own you. (liberty). So I should do whatever I want, as long as it doesnt harm anyone, nor your ability to do the same.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@elelmhorst PS, Its really hard to be as immoral as the Bible is. Really hard. So hard, not even Adolf Hitler was able to be worse, and that man seriously did try.
spartacandream 1 year ago
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JESUS SAID THAT YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS, these people aren't true christians!
GodLovesTheSinner 1 year ago
That's right. Now you can get beat up for "being gay when you're not even gay" thanks to the gay community, which has so confused the boundaries between friendship and sexuality that pretty much anytime two guys are seen together, increasingly the assumption is that they're gay. That's one of the reasons why the gay rights movement is such a threat to the very existence of western civilization.
KenGS333 1 year ago
@KenGS333 That's "friends with benefits", which began in the straight community, not homosexuality
spartacandream 1 year ago
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@spartacandream There's no such thing as a "straight community".
KenGS333 1 year ago
Man, you just don't get it. We live in a sinful world and Christians have always had to exist in which anti-Christian sentiments were pervasive. Anti-Christian attitudes are so normalized that people who act on them simply don't feel that they're being hateful. Like you and your videos, for example. And here again you're making disingenuous arguments. Implying that somehow Christians are responsible for drunken atheists beating up homosexuals.
KenGS333 1 year ago
really appreciate this video and hope you continue to share with more vids
sincerely thank you
silentfades 1 year ago
you do a really fantastic job with all of your videos. Thank you :)
peterbresnan 1 year ago
"Bashing" is WRONG, No-Matter What it Applies To, Be Sure To Share This Video, Around YouTube, Thanks, THIS IS A SHOUT OUT AGAINST "BASHING"
"BASHING IS TOTALLY WRONG"
777TIZZable 1 year ago
Great video, I'm just so sick of religious people equating a religious cartoon to the many, many deaths and violent beatings homosexuals have experienced. What is so hard about letting others live their lives? Thanks again for uploading this video.
zoen23 1 year ago
Christian Antidafamation league.... isn't that a contradiction of terms?
Digdigs2 1 year ago
I find all the various religious groups in the comments trying to distinguish themselves from the others - you are all the same, you all believe in the irrational and unprovable, while YOU might not be violent, the mindset that is capable of doing things based purely on faith is a dangerous one that has been exploited for millenia by the politically minded in order to train and motivate mindless footsoldiers. Religion - a mindless zombie training camp ready to be tapped into by those in power.
Digdigs2 1 year ago
The more the homosexuals push their agenda, the more resistance they will come to face . At one point gays were very happy confined within their sub culture hidden within the outer fringes of society deep in a dark closet not exposing themselves to mainstream society . However now that they want to "come out of the closet" and declare their will against the traditional values of the american society, they are now facing full blown backlash and resistance from normal people.
bananito3 1 year ago
christian are gay bashers
camaro02girl 1 year ago
The more the homosexuals push their agenda, the more resistance they will come to face . At one point gays were very happy confined within their sub culture hidden within the outer fringes of society deep in a dark closet not exposing themselves to mainstream society . However now that they want to "come out of the closet" and declare their will against the traditional values of the american society, they are now facing full blown backlash and resistance from normal people.
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 'normal' people??? describe 'normal' - do catholics fit in? jews? muslims? kkk? communists? protestants? amish? mormons? scientologists? hippies? rednecks? mexicans? what is your 'normal' society? chances are that it is a minority group... 'normal' = common, typical, usual... PRINCETON, NJ - Americans' support for the moral acceptability of gay and lesbian relations crossed the symbolic 50% threshold in 2010. So... I guess YOU are not normal
Digdigs2 1 year ago
@Digdigs2
look kike i will put it easy for you
normal people = not misantropic (jews dont fit)
normal people = respect natural laws( jews and gays dont fit)
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 Do you know the meaning of misanthropic - you can't spell it so I wonder. By implication you are suggesting that the rest of my list are normal people? I see that you don't think the holocaust happened despite irrefutable evidence. The state of Israel has gained alot of political milage out of it, but that does not mean that it didn't happen - it just means that politicians (like those everywhere) are willing to desecrate the memory of those who died for their own political advantage.
Digdigs2 1 year ago
@Digdigs2 yep MISANTHROPIC = against humanity = bad for the human bone = hate human beauty = a jew = a kike = your satan's tribe = you
capish?
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 Easy huh? Define 'normal' in non exclusionary terms. After all, you are not 'normal' because you are part of a minority yourself, this means, by your logic, that you should lock youself away.
Digdigs2 1 year ago
@Digdigs2
the only mention of "normal" implicates that there are "unnormal"
it is not an exclusion, just a definition
since you are a kike you are obssesed with being excluded, i know.
Change you actions and perhaps one day you can become:
A lovely normal human being
;D
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 hmmm... actually I'm atheist, not from any religious background - your assuptions are wrong, as assumptions generally are. Religiosity trades on assumptions - the assumption that the devine exists. I'd rather look to facts and posit a theory, changable on the basis of new facts. You have yet to define normal, except by exclusion, this time with a non-existent word.
Misanthrope - a person who hates mankind or a person who avoids human society... all of it, not just selected bits.
Digdigs2 1 year ago
@Digdigs2 yeah there are atheist Jewish or atheist kikes, because kikes are a race, it doesnt matter if they follow judaism. If they born from a Jewish woman then they are Jews.
And thx for the copy-paste
"Misanthrope - a person who hates mankind or a person who avoids human society" SYNONYMES: jew, Kike, sheeny, zionist.
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 Not of Jewish ancestry, at all.... assume away though, if you like. Rational thought is not one of your strong points is it? BTW - implicit in the definition of misanthrope is the concept of totality - mankind as a whole, society as a whole - in other words if someone merely dislikes most of society, or most of mankind, they are still not misanthropic, your use of the word was incorrect and bespeaks of a poor education, as do your views
Digdigs2 1 year ago
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@Digdigs2
It is not that i dont use logic, it is just that you cannot stop using weak lies to deny the evident.
Cohen's are the most pure Kikes, they can marry only...another cohen. That is indeed a blood-line rule. They are the most respected in the Jews.
"f someone merely dislikes most of society, or most of mankind, they are still not misanthropic" <--hahaha hilarious kike relativism, fail
and kikes dont just hate mankind(misanthropic), they work on a daily basis to affect humankind..
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 Are you really justifying these assaults and killings?
CyberSword13 1 year ago
@bananito3 I'm not even sorry about the Gay agenda. We and the libertarians are so evil, all because we want to keep liberty in american society. Why on earth would we want liberty?
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream
Who the fuck are you?
what is your definition of Liberty?
gay and ADL are like the new Inquisition, they pretend to limit freedom of speech by intimidation.
You cannot claim freedom while you are against freedom.
Stupid fuck.
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 My definition of liberty is the same as the philosophy, which states that you own yourself, so you have the right to do what you please with your own body while not infringing upon others rights to do the same. Abusing gays isn't liberty, nor is segregating them through marriage discrimination. Personally, I don't support legalizing gay marriage, I support making everyone able to marry, by getting government out of marriage.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream
As i told you in the nice message i sent you:
Marriage is a legal identity between a man and a woman.
You must not try to redefine what is the reflection of the founding fathers and the reflection of the majority.
That is, in fact, infringing the rights of others.
Perhaps political gay activists (which sometimes are not even gay, but money seekers) should consider creating a gay country in some island.
I dont mind
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 The founding fathers said nothing about marriage, it didnt become a legal entity until much later. You know, when we supposedly became a democracy (this is only true when its time to vote on things like Jim Crow laws and Prop 8, the rest of the time we're fascists, go figure!).
What the founding fathers gave us is a republic based on the ideas of liberty, you've yet to demonstrate that gay marriage infringes on anyone's liberty. I'm not for a legal entity of marriage,.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream
As i told you heterophobe, i think you live in another country already.
quoting James Wilson as in A FOUNDING FATHER:
"The most important consequence of marriage is, that the husband and the wife become in law only one person..."
So, plz update your gay script.
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 As I told youy in my nice response to your nice marriage, I want government and marriage to get a divorce, its a bad marriage. Let's let liberty reign. Define your christian marriage, if your sect is against gay marriage, however you will, let others define their own marriage.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream
As the gay activist you are, are you gay?
Who the fuck are you?
or reformulating: are you a question dodger or a fudge packer or both.
It is funny that you assumed im a christian when in fact i dont give a fuck in any semite byproduct of manipulation as religion.
Neither do genetists, neither do leading psychologists(Jung, Adler, Freud), neither do medical doctors... or nature
But all of them want to solve the paraphilia called homosexuality...
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 It's funny how you respond trying to intimidate, and say stuff like "who (....) are you?", as if I have to be some authority to speak. Clearly someone other than myself is an authoritarian, could that be you? If its not, that's fine. It sure sounds it with that statement though.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream
nope it is not funny
who the fuck are you?
why are you whinning at me?
are you another heterophobe of your gay agenda?
I dont understand why you attacked me in the first place
Stop dodging questions and answer:
Who the fuck are you?
are you ashamed of yourself?
bananito3 1 year ago
@bananito3 O come on.,....lol
You know your post was very much an attack on the so ominous mysterious gay agenda, you know, the one where Gay's get to marry. Even though we're not some united group.
I wasn't attacking you bro. Definitely not ashamed of myself, and who am I? Well you don't know me personally, but I'm just a libertarian guy who talks alot on youtube.
spartacandream 1 year ago
Excellent video!
axisva 1 year ago
look yall there are a lot of people who say they are followers of Yeoshua and lead different lifes. Being gay is against what is preached in the bible so these Churches that are behind you,in my opinion are wrong, they must have another influence other than Yeoshua to be behind you. simple isnt it. im not judging you but pointing out the truth. God bless you sir
1voiceMANYminds 1 year ago
@1voiceMANYminds
Does the bible also preach killing in the name of protecting what is preached?
Do the right winged radical christians have the right to kill?
Why do they hate so? Does their bible teach them to HATE?
Or are they no less different than the radical muslims terrorists?
breeze787 1 year ago
@breeze787 i dont like to talk about what i havent research but i had a Muslim man tell me the Koran teaches to kill infidels(non believers) so yeah ill probably be corrected. but no it doesn't, your right on that, Jude 4 said some evil slipped into our ranks so i apologize for these mislead people claiming to be followers.and killing. That is the fruit of evil not of light. Im sorry you have the anger toward "us" but it not the real followers.Jesus did not promote violence.
1voiceMANYminds 1 year ago
@breeze787 if you would like to discuss this further i would love too. please pm me
1voiceMANYminds 1 year ago
@1voiceMANYminds Why aren't we going after Catholic priests who for decades violated young innocent boys instead of looking for reasons to clench your fists against gays who are just trying to fit in?
breeze787 1 year ago
@breeze787 i have noticed that a lot of Christan like to call catholic ppl "us",and no one wants to look at our own flaws, i dont feel that way,they are not my ppl, see my favs to find my view on catholics i also agree with you that they should also be sought after and punished severely. The bible says the ones who teach are going to be judged more strict. I feel your anger i dont like my people persecuted either....but it must come to pass God bless you
1voiceMANYminds 1 year ago
Great Video!! and I'm not Gay. But it's ridiculus how Xstian Bash Gays when they have a bunch of Closet ones, starting with the priests. Another funny thing is how Xstians defend Ted Haggard and still follow him after he himself bashed gays left and right and turn out to be that he was Gay .
ff621 1 year ago
but you're gay.
richardmilhousnixon2 1 year ago
The ADL is NOT CHRISTIAN!!! THey are run by the B'nai B'rith. They are zionists and atheistic. Abe Foxman, the head of the ADL, may ride the coattails of the religious right, but they are no way Christian. You are really narrow minded. You should check out YouTubers like Dr. Scott johnson, Keith Truth, Chris White and check out their videos. BTW, I live in L.A. and am a CHristian white and am not gay.
GrassyKnollTrolls 1 year ago
As a gay Christian, I have been bashed by BOTH "Christians" AND "free-thinking" athiests for what I am.
It's ALL HATE...and it's ALL WRONG!
biggiejeffrey 1 year ago 2
@biggiejeffrey
Amen!
blainebill39 1 year ago
bravo my friend, bravo
viciousandchaotic 1 year ago 4
See what I mean hear is an example of someone who calls good evil and evil good. You Called God the only being that is good sin which is evil. Your anti-christ. And for most I don't have to explain why. May the Lord Heal you from your delusion.
wjc252006 1 year ago
gluttony is a sin that made it even in the top 7 of sins do u tell that anyone who is eating too much as well?
brotmann86 1 year ago
When I kindly talk to people about God and salvation yes, all sin is sin to God and I would tell someone of any sin that God doesn't like because all need to come to repentence before being forgiven By God. What is the point of being a Just God if some sin goes unpunished. All will have to answer for their sin if they don't repent. God will forgive someone with any type of sin for that is why He came as the man Christ Jesus who was God in Flesh saving the world from hell.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006 Your comment in its entirety must explain why Thomas Jefferson made sure our first amendment inclusion of separating church and state.
breeze787 1 year ago
@breeze787 His church is not anti-Christian as it has become by Christian haters. He meant that to protect a situation like Europe is still to this day. He wanted people to free to choose their own religion based on freedom to choose. Today Christians are forced to ignore their whole belief to apease everyone elses, that is not right. He did not mean freedom from religion but freedom of religion.
wjc252006 1 year ago
yes I do if they eat like a glutton but who is the judge of how much one can eat before it is too much.
wjc252006 1 year ago
@wjc252006 You said: I do if they eat like a glutton but who is the judge of how much one can eat before it is too much.
Your Stomach??? LOL
ff621 1 year ago
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HERE ARE THE FACTS: According to the Williams Institute, Average Number of Hate Crimes
per year from 1995-2005
Race 4,407
Religion 1,420
Sexual Orientation 1,205
Ethnicity/National Origin 992
Disability 35
GET OVER YOURSELVES. This is no holocaust, & everyone else doesn't CRY about it, even when racial bashing is almost 4x more than 'gays'.
The facts show that homosexuals like to make mountains out of mole hills... TRUTH is what we respond with, not hate, cause homosexuals hate truth.
Nauticalman 1 year ago
ROFL... "appropriating OUR LANGUAGE". Since when did homosexuals have legal copyrights on the english language?
You're right about one thing... homosexuals get bashed, churches get BURNED and vandelized, people run in with guns and shoot at the pastors and church members.
Oh I'm sorry, You didn't want to hear that??? GET OVER YOURSELVES. below is the TRUTH, statistics that show homosexuals need to quit whining and inflating rare instances to make it sound like a gay holocaust............
Nauticalman 1 year ago