Well stated. Thank you. Accepting the fact that you cannot vote yourself free is the first step, I think, in becoming free. A voter's like the guy who longs for riches and believes he'll become rich by winning the lottery. His expectation is what prevents him from taking any of the steps necessary to achieve his goal.
@banderfargoyl Excellent statement. Thank you for understanding this. I do hope you make a video or something expanding on this explanation. That would be beautiful!
i would rather discuss bout mkin a better place with technology an using our minds to build that and make free enrgy work for us and not against us. in my world money doesnt exist everyone pulls there weight everyone uses there talent to benefit through non competive showmanship servitude(art, music, inventions, food, housing, medical, cartaking) and freindly competion through fighting, sports of all kinds ect. money has no value only knowledge does.
your right voting does not make you free knowledge makes you free. i dont vote either. voting is a scam jus as the bank or insurance is. ive commented on other vids you did but maybe u can agree that petitioning works better in a community than voting abroad. no real presidents only puppets to a greater scheme. your vote doesnt even count they go by electorial vote anyways.i bet we would have long dicussions an debates lol. but i wouldnt want to really. its futile and irrelevant
This is very well put. :) I have only voted once in my life, partly out of peer pressure but mostly because I felt like it was the most I could do at the time about the mess things have become was to pick the "least worst" choice. But you've inspired me to stick to my convictions---next time around I will not vote! The lesser of two (or three) evils IS still evil.
@nottinmatterz2day People would be smarter to realize their vote accomplishes nothing that they are trying to accomplish. All it does is the disservice of "affirmation" of a lie: that we have some kind of choice or control in politics. I don't expect most people to be that logical since I haven't seen too much evidence of it in my personal experience.
sorry im such a sarcastic devils advocated asshole.
but,
the people that get voted in arent metaphorically voted in...they really are given power.
your goin' with the "lead by example" schtick....and i agree its the best policy. but like you say the government isnt gonna go anywhere. and then you say accountabillity is needed.
but then you say that they have broken the unspoken social contract that they had with us.
so unless we can walk away to our new promised land....
@ProthoPectore I never said "accountability is needed" & I never claimed there is a social contract (which can't actually exist according to your logic) & I also never claimed that something that cannot possibly exist has been broken. Liars irritate me, & you've already called yourself an asshole, so... go play your games elsewhere, or be honest in conversation.
there is a social contract implied by the very act of votin in a "leader".
there is a social contract implied by the act of runnin for public office.
or else your sayin we should all go live in a hole in the ground and hope that the people who get elected in by the very few people who go vote dont kill us all...
There is no accountability in politics these days because citizens don't hold the politicians accountable, i.e. they aren't engaged in the political process . . . by doing things like voting, for one.
Voting is not an endorsement of any adminstration unless you vote for that administration. Voting itself is only an endorsement of the democratic process.
Not voting because politics is not responsive to you is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
@123gwf There's no accountability because there's no contract & they hold the monopoly on violence. The reality is, there is no way for "the people" to hold them accountable when there is no contract & they are powerless to do so.
@rockstarofredondo There are plenty of ways for people to hold them accountable, ranging from writing letters and making phone calls to politicians on the low end, to protesting and orchestrating recall elections (like in Wisconsin) on the high end.
If it ever was the case that a government refused to abide by the results of a democratic election, and held onto power merely by physical force, that would be despotism, and yeah, I will agree that anarchy is preferable to despotism.
@rockstarofredondo Can I ask you how you would define the freedom that you mentioned? Isn't freedom a very abstract concept? In what ways are you not free? Maybe you can do a video on this subject? Philosophers have been debating this concept since antiquity. I am always interested in hearing what a person thinks regarding such a complex issue. I like to discuss these issues with people who are serious about trying to find the untimate solutions.
@donstudy I am unfree to a certain degree, but more free, than say, someone behind bars. There are certain aspects of my life that are free, say in mind, since the State cannot control my intellect, but others that are not free, such as, I cannot legally sell homemade candies from my front yard. Simple enough?
@rockstarofredondo Surely your ability to sell candies in your yard is not what this is all about. What freedoms have the government taken away from you that you believe are unfair? Do you agree that rights must be balanced out with responsibilities? Do you agree that no one can ever be completely free?
@rockstarofredondo But people are not powerless. "When any governemnt becaomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter and abolish them". Don't the masses in fact hand their power over to government?
@donstudy The government tells us, "give us your money & do only as we allow, or we take your life" & like anyone with a functioning brain would, we say "ok" because all living creatures, no matter how simple, have an instinct to survive. So do we hand anything over to them? No. They steal it. The interaction is not voluntary.
@rockstarofredondo The people installed and voluntarily participate and advocate government and laws. But of course there are those that do not believe in government in any form and there are those that are simply against the nagative aspects like corruption. Are you against government in any form, or simply against the negative?
@donstudy There is no such thing as "the people". Things that don't exist, cannot act. I didn't voluntarily "install" anyone & I can't "vote" to have no ruler under the present circumstances. There is no such thing as "political freedom". It's a contradiction in terms.
@WhiteArmy1918 Actually, I very rarely talk about my position on voting (away from the anonymity of the net) unless someone brings it up and presses the issue when I try to divert the conversation. I live in the Mid-West, and don't watch the news; I don't watch much TV at all, in fact. I'm self-employed, and building a customer base at the moment while trying to close the regulatory holes necessary to operate legally. Doing much better these days than I was as an employee, strangely.
While i agree that voting currently is pointless, i wonder if we could see some real change if we had 100% turnout on any given election.
In all fairness, politicians pander to their contingency, and if the contingency was everyone, we might see a political shift towards a more centrist model (centrists tend to be the largest non-voting group) as opposed to the left/right jockeying that you see in our political system. Seems like the craziest left/right nutjobs ALWAYS vote.
@itsthekush The problem is that politicians tend not to pander to their constituents in way other than lip service. They might toss their constituents a bone once in a while, but for the most part, "Business as usual" in D.C. is centered around the financiers and moneyed interests that have gutted (and will always work to gut) representative democracy.
@WhiteArmy1918 I only refuse to say what I do with my time due to lack of space in these silly reply boxes. As I stated before, I do volunteer work in my local community, cleaning parks and filling the vacuum that lack of funds in government has created; mainly due to the fact that I can't stand seeing parks near me filled with garbage and overgrown with weeds. The only thing borderline illegal I do is fix computers for people without any business license. Your assumptions are quite odd.
@WhiteArmy1918 It's not about being busy. My point is that voting holds little value for me; I see it as equivalent to standing in line at the DMV, or sticking to the housing board's ruling on how tall my grass grows. The only difference is that with voting, I can opt out of participation if I want to. If I were to vote D, or if I were to vote R, I'd still be coerced to do things I otherwise wouldn't, and I would have no say in it. I'd rather not vote if it's the same crap either way.
@WhiteArmy1918 Nope, I'm used to about this much flack for my decision not to vote - it's an exercise in will to stick to the principle of non-involvement, despite the pressure from my peers to conform and cast my single vote for one brand of sameness rather than another. No, I don't think I'm 'too good' to vote; I think it's silly that people expect me to chose which politician I'd rather have lying to me and coercing me into doing stuff I don't want to do. Why would I want any part in that?
@WhiteArmy1918 I was making the point that demonizing opposition is a totalitarian hallmark. "They must be stupid, irrational, poor or criminals not to vote," may be a conclusion of statistics, but it hardly fits every situation, nor is that metaphysical assay a replacement for reality. However, if there was 100% voter turnout, the outcome would be a perpetuation of the status quo, no different from today. Both parties do the same thing when in power. The complexity of the issue is irrelevant.
@lcpdesign Isn't that the problem? Voting is the practice of the uninformed masses choosing which candidate seems most like them, and damn the actual issues or how they'll be handled. Whether the candidate makes the voters feel good, or whether the voters would like to have a beer with him/her is the deciding factor in American politics. Perhaps the folks living under obviously autocratic dictators who wield the illusion of democracy are better off; their vote is already clearly irrelevant.
Agreed. 'Democracy' is a polite term for 'mob rule'. I always put it in those terms. Even Winston Churchill admitted it was the worst form of government, except all the rest that had been tried. Hardly a resounding endorsement.
I'm with George Carlin on this one; if voting actually changed anything, they'd get rid of it ('make it illegal').
Having said that, I sympathise with those who vote Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. RP said once 'I have no argument with Lysander ...'
rockstar: Were you an anarchist in 2008? 2:57-3:19 sounds like you're referring to Obama. I suspect a lot of people who voted for him have figured out what a sham this whole government thing actually is.
@DancesWithWindmills No. That was around the time I had begun to give up on politics & I went full blown anarchist in mid-2009 when I had an "aha!" moment of realizing I never agreed to any of this. In 2010 I started getting into the philosophical part. Thanks for watching!
@intricatic Voting is mandatory in Brazil, a country I have visited & have many friends in. You are fined if you don't vote, & people who can't read even must vote or pay a fine. According to some Brazilians I know, candidates will do ridiculous things to those poor people who can't read, like "buy" their votes with baseball caps, pens & cups. It's so stupid & pathetic & just sad.
@rockstarofredondo I can only imagine. Maybe to solve this political apathy in America, we should all hold a national campaign like the anarchists did in Britain and vote for Nobody. Who knows? Maybe Nobody would win.
@intricatic Political apathy is a good thing. Do you have any motivations to do things that are self-destructive or unproductive? Political apathy is a natural & healthy reaction to government propagandists attempting to colonize our minds & control our emotions & behavior.
@rockstarofredondo I agree. That's why I think everyone should vote (I've had an epiphany): everyone should write-in a vote for Nobody - then we'll see who the politicians actually serve. It'll be an unwasted hour of time.
@intricatic As a kind of funny performance, that is a worthwhile activity. I don;t think it will actually sway the minds of politicians & other government employees.
As to the video, the entire concept of voting has forever struck me as an exercise in irrelevancy. It's as if people see a problem and the question immediately arises: "Who's going to fix this?" I posit that I am, at least in so far as my own life is concerned. I prefer it that way as it's much simpler than relying on a complex network of agency to do it for me.
@rockbay79 I am living free, to the best of my ability. Some things are out of my control, but what I like to do is, pretend as if there is no state & make my decisions without the consequences of government in mind.
@rockstarofredondo Pretend, I've not heard that word since I was seven years old! I can't understand why I find you so interesting. You are the only person I've ever known to live in a garage. You are so interesting.
@rockbay79 Children are usually able to think more clearly than adults because their minds haven't been fractured by the trauma of abuse (usually done by the state) yet. A lot can be learned from the behavior of children.
@rockstarofredondo You are a deep thinker I can tell. My father was the same way. I bet you make for interesting conversation. Some people are just more interesting to talk to than others. Don't you think?
I'm voting for Ron Paul so that I can say that I did everything I could "within the system" to help move away from crony capitalism and toward free markets where if you work hard you can do something that you can be proud of and not just be a paper chaser. Until that happens I guess we just take advantage of the willfully ignorant, not because you want to, but because you have to live in this artificial system.
@nwopuppet freemarkets can't save the world from the terrible future that is coming. Only the Resource Based Economy idea being advocated by the Zeitgeist movement and the Venus project has any possibility of making this a better world, where just being a part of it would really be something to be 'proud' of.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoints. I am moving more your way. I really am starting to believe that its rigged anyway. The whole government system is a sham, just looking at Congress proves that. They create laws that we have to abide by that doesn't apply to them. BS is what it is.
If you listen to Jacque Fresco lectures and read his book, 'The best that money can't buy' .....you eventually come to understand why the whole democratic governmental system is just a ridiculous, pointless charade and why it will never work to make this a better world. Voting is just a part of the nonsense that we have been made to 'believe' in.
"Validation of the system." Excellent point. I will likely vote one more time, just to poke the ptb in the eye with RP. After this next charade (2012), if nothing positive occurs, all consent is withdrawn. Over all, understand and support your position. Stand tall in your beliefs... "They ain't wrong!"
My guess is all the libertarians are going to vote for RP. My guess and I could be wrong is the PTB will pick who they want in this office which is almost like the Queen of England a symbolic office unless you are a LarRoucheite and belive the Queen is the defacto ruler of the world. But that is besides the point, the PTB will pick their candiate and it probaly won't be the good Dr as that will much up all their plans to dominate us.
What is that line in the song, I think it was Janis Joplin goes something like "Freedom means you got nothing else to lose" Something like that. I believe that. Get rid of as many attachements as you can. When you have nothing to lose then you are free, What can they take from you?
The OWS are on the street I think because they got nothing else to lose, they took their houses, jobs, taxed them to poverty & took away their rights.
Now they have nothing to lose-the PTB have everything to lose!
blackboxvotingdotorg Start there and you'll see hard evidence of why it's a waste of time. Glad you see.
ByteMeDammit 1 week ago
Well stated. Thank you. Accepting the fact that you cannot vote yourself free is the first step, I think, in becoming free. A voter's like the guy who longs for riches and believes he'll become rich by winning the lottery. His expectation is what prevents him from taking any of the steps necessary to achieve his goal.
banderfargoyl 3 weeks ago
@banderfargoyl Excellent statement. Thank you for understanding this. I do hope you make a video or something expanding on this explanation. That would be beautiful!
rockstarofredondo 3 weeks ago
Sorry im late to the party...who's garage is it?? Best wishes from Chicago...Keep your head up, k ...
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poli is latin word for " many" and tics are blood sucking creatures.
mosj9876 1 month ago
i would rather discuss bout mkin a better place with technology an using our minds to build that and make free enrgy work for us and not against us. in my world money doesnt exist everyone pulls there weight everyone uses there talent to benefit through non competive showmanship servitude(art, music, inventions, food, housing, medical, cartaking) and freindly competion through fighting, sports of all kinds ect. money has no value only knowledge does.
mosj9876 1 month ago
your right voting does not make you free knowledge makes you free. i dont vote either. voting is a scam jus as the bank or insurance is. ive commented on other vids you did but maybe u can agree that petitioning works better in a community than voting abroad. no real presidents only puppets to a greater scheme. your vote doesnt even count they go by electorial vote anyways.i bet we would have long dicussions an debates lol. but i wouldnt want to really. its futile and irrelevant
mosj9876 1 month ago
This is very well put. :) I have only voted once in my life, partly out of peer pressure but mostly because I felt like it was the most I could do at the time about the mess things have become was to pick the "least worst" choice. But you've inspired me to stick to my convictions---next time around I will not vote! The lesser of two (or three) evils IS still evil.
MarxistJediist 1 month ago
@MarxistJediist Thanks for watching & thanks for being true to yourself! :)
rockstarofredondo 1 month ago
GREAT idea, voters should receive a receipt of their vote
nottinmatterz2day 2 months ago
@nottinmatterz2day People would be smarter to realize their vote accomplishes nothing that they are trying to accomplish. All it does is the disservice of "affirmation" of a lie: that we have some kind of choice or control in politics. I don't expect most people to be that logical since I haven't seen too much evidence of it in my personal experience.
rockstarofredondo 2 months ago
@rockstarofredondo people are too dumb so we're doomed right?
4twentyproductionz 2 months ago
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wcrowl 3 months ago
WOW, Reading comprehension & listening abilities among the majority of yt users is astoundingly abysmal! :(
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo The problem is far beyond youtube.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic No kidding. Where are you located? Send me a PM.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
i see your point,
sorry im such a sarcastic devils advocated asshole.
but,
the people that get voted in arent metaphorically voted in...they really are given power.
your goin' with the "lead by example" schtick....and i agree its the best policy. but like you say the government isnt gonna go anywhere. and then you say accountabillity is needed.
but then you say that they have broken the unspoken social contract that they had with us.
so unless we can walk away to our new promised land....
ProthoPectore 3 months ago
@ProthoPectore I never said "accountability is needed" & I never claimed there is a social contract (which can't actually exist according to your logic) & I also never claimed that something that cannot possibly exist has been broken. Liars irritate me, & you've already called yourself an asshole, so... go play your games elsewhere, or be honest in conversation.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo
2:38
there is a social contract implied by the very act of votin in a "leader".
there is a social contract implied by the act of runnin for public office.
or else your sayin we should all go live in a hole in the ground and hope that the people who get elected in by the very few people who go vote dont kill us all...
?
unless your taling about livin' in communes...
ProthoPectore 3 months ago
There is no accountability in politics these days because citizens don't hold the politicians accountable, i.e. they aren't engaged in the political process . . . by doing things like voting, for one.
Voting is not an endorsement of any adminstration unless you vote for that administration. Voting itself is only an endorsement of the democratic process.
Not voting because politics is not responsive to you is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
123gwf 3 months ago
@123gwf There's no accountability because there's no contract & they hold the monopoly on violence. The reality is, there is no way for "the people" to hold them accountable when there is no contract & they are powerless to do so.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo There are plenty of ways for people to hold them accountable, ranging from writing letters and making phone calls to politicians on the low end, to protesting and orchestrating recall elections (like in Wisconsin) on the high end.
If it ever was the case that a government refused to abide by the results of a democratic election, and held onto power merely by physical force, that would be despotism, and yeah, I will agree that anarchy is preferable to despotism.
123gwf 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo Can I ask you how you would define the freedom that you mentioned? Isn't freedom a very abstract concept? In what ways are you not free? Maybe you can do a video on this subject? Philosophers have been debating this concept since antiquity. I am always interested in hearing what a person thinks regarding such a complex issue. I like to discuss these issues with people who are serious about trying to find the untimate solutions.
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@donstudy I am unfree to a certain degree, but more free, than say, someone behind bars. There are certain aspects of my life that are free, say in mind, since the State cannot control my intellect, but others that are not free, such as, I cannot legally sell homemade candies from my front yard. Simple enough?
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo Surely your ability to sell candies in your yard is not what this is all about. What freedoms have the government taken away from you that you believe are unfair? Do you agree that rights must be balanced out with responsibilities? Do you agree that no one can ever be completely free?
donstudy 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo But people are not powerless. "When any governemnt becaomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter and abolish them". Don't the masses in fact hand their power over to government?
donstudy 3 months ago in playlist More videos from rockstarofredondo
@donstudy The government tells us, "give us your money & do only as we allow, or we take your life" & like anyone with a functioning brain would, we say "ok" because all living creatures, no matter how simple, have an instinct to survive. So do we hand anything over to them? No. They steal it. The interaction is not voluntary.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo The people installed and voluntarily participate and advocate government and laws. But of course there are those that do not believe in government in any form and there are those that are simply against the nagative aspects like corruption. Are you against government in any form, or simply against the negative?
donstudy 3 months ago
@donstudy There is no such thing as "the people". Things that don't exist, cannot act. I didn't voluntarily "install" anyone & I can't "vote" to have no ruler under the present circumstances. There is no such thing as "political freedom". It's a contradiction in terms.
rockstarofredondo 2 months ago
@WhiteArmy1918 Actually, I very rarely talk about my position on voting (away from the anonymity of the net) unless someone brings it up and presses the issue when I try to divert the conversation. I live in the Mid-West, and don't watch the news; I don't watch much TV at all, in fact. I'm self-employed, and building a customer base at the moment while trying to close the regulatory holes necessary to operate legally. Doing much better these days than I was as an employee, strangely.
intricatic 3 months ago
TelePrompTer Reader! lol. Jk. All valid reasons.
cityguyable 3 months ago
@cityguyable I wish I had a teleprompter. Those things are badass & not cheap. For now, I have to use a scratch pad & pen.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
While i agree that voting currently is pointless, i wonder if we could see some real change if we had 100% turnout on any given election.
In all fairness, politicians pander to their contingency, and if the contingency was everyone, we might see a political shift towards a more centrist model (centrists tend to be the largest non-voting group) as opposed to the left/right jockeying that you see in our political system. Seems like the craziest left/right nutjobs ALWAYS vote.
itsthekush 3 months ago
@itsthekush The problem is that politicians tend not to pander to their constituents in way other than lip service. They might toss their constituents a bone once in a while, but for the most part, "Business as usual" in D.C. is centered around the financiers and moneyed interests that have gutted (and will always work to gut) representative democracy.
intricatic 3 months ago
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intricatic 3 months ago
@WhiteArmy1918 I only refuse to say what I do with my time due to lack of space in these silly reply boxes. As I stated before, I do volunteer work in my local community, cleaning parks and filling the vacuum that lack of funds in government has created; mainly due to the fact that I can't stand seeing parks near me filled with garbage and overgrown with weeds. The only thing borderline illegal I do is fix computers for people without any business license. Your assumptions are quite odd.
intricatic 3 months ago
@WhiteArmy1918 It's not about being busy. My point is that voting holds little value for me; I see it as equivalent to standing in line at the DMV, or sticking to the housing board's ruling on how tall my grass grows. The only difference is that with voting, I can opt out of participation if I want to. If I were to vote D, or if I were to vote R, I'd still be coerced to do things I otherwise wouldn't, and I would have no say in it. I'd rather not vote if it's the same crap either way.
intricatic 3 months ago
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intricatic 3 months ago
@WhiteArmy1918 Nope, I'm used to about this much flack for my decision not to vote - it's an exercise in will to stick to the principle of non-involvement, despite the pressure from my peers to conform and cast my single vote for one brand of sameness rather than another. No, I don't think I'm 'too good' to vote; I think it's silly that people expect me to chose which politician I'd rather have lying to me and coercing me into doing stuff I don't want to do. Why would I want any part in that?
intricatic 3 months ago
@WhiteArmy1918 I was making the point that demonizing opposition is a totalitarian hallmark. "They must be stupid, irrational, poor or criminals not to vote," may be a conclusion of statistics, but it hardly fits every situation, nor is that metaphysical assay a replacement for reality. However, if there was 100% voter turnout, the outcome would be a perpetuation of the status quo, no different from today. Both parties do the same thing when in power. The complexity of the issue is irrelevant.
intricatic 3 months ago
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intricatic 3 months ago
@whitearmy1918 I've noticed that most of those that vote are morons.
lcpdesign 3 months ago
@lcpdesign Isn't that the problem? Voting is the practice of the uninformed masses choosing which candidate seems most like them, and damn the actual issues or how they'll be handled. Whether the candidate makes the voters feel good, or whether the voters would like to have a beer with him/her is the deciding factor in American politics. Perhaps the folks living under obviously autocratic dictators who wield the illusion of democracy are better off; their vote is already clearly irrelevant.
intricatic 3 months ago
Agreed. 'Democracy' is a polite term for 'mob rule'. I always put it in those terms. Even Winston Churchill admitted it was the worst form of government, except all the rest that had been tried. Hardly a resounding endorsement.
I'm with George Carlin on this one; if voting actually changed anything, they'd get rid of it ('make it illegal').
Having said that, I sympathise with those who vote Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. RP said once 'I have no argument with Lysander ...'
lcpdesign 3 months ago
rockstar: Were you an anarchist in 2008? 2:57-3:19 sounds like you're referring to Obama. I suspect a lot of people who voted for him have figured out what a sham this whole government thing actually is.
DancesWithWindmills 3 months ago
@DancesWithWindmills No. That was around the time I had begun to give up on politics & I went full blown anarchist in mid-2009 when I had an "aha!" moment of realizing I never agreed to any of this. In 2010 I started getting into the philosophical part. Thanks for watching!
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
It usually doesn't matter. How can you find a political solution in a political system that is corrupt?
DEMCAD 3 months ago
@DEMCAD All "political systems" are corrupt. Thanks for watching!
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@intricatic Voting is mandatory in Brazil, a country I have visited & have many friends in. You are fined if you don't vote, & people who can't read even must vote or pay a fine. According to some Brazilians I know, candidates will do ridiculous things to those poor people who can't read, like "buy" their votes with baseball caps, pens & cups. It's so stupid & pathetic & just sad.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo I can only imagine. Maybe to solve this political apathy in America, we should all hold a national campaign like the anarchists did in Britain and vote for Nobody. Who knows? Maybe Nobody would win.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic Political apathy is a good thing. Do you have any motivations to do things that are self-destructive or unproductive? Political apathy is a natural & healthy reaction to government propagandists attempting to colonize our minds & control our emotions & behavior.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo I agree. That's why I think everyone should vote (I've had an epiphany): everyone should write-in a vote for Nobody - then we'll see who the politicians actually serve. It'll be an unwasted hour of time.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic As a kind of funny performance, that is a worthwhile activity. I don;t think it will actually sway the minds of politicians & other government employees.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
As to the video, the entire concept of voting has forever struck me as an exercise in irrelevancy. It's as if people see a problem and the question immediately arises: "Who's going to fix this?" I posit that I am, at least in so far as my own life is concerned. I prefer it that way as it's much simpler than relying on a complex network of agency to do it for me.
intricatic 3 months ago
Do you feel like you are living free now?
rockbay79 3 months ago
@rockbay79 I am living free, to the best of my ability. Some things are out of my control, but what I like to do is, pretend as if there is no state & make my decisions without the consequences of government in mind.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo Pretend, I've not heard that word since I was seven years old! I can't understand why I find you so interesting. You are the only person I've ever known to live in a garage. You are so interesting.
rockbay79 3 months ago
@rockbay79 Children are usually able to think more clearly than adults because their minds haven't been fractured by the trauma of abuse (usually done by the state) yet. A lot can be learned from the behavior of children.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
@rockstarofredondo You are a deep thinker I can tell. My father was the same way. I bet you make for interesting conversation. Some people are just more interesting to talk to than others. Don't you think?
rockbay79 3 months ago
I'm voting for Ron Paul so that I can say that I did everything I could "within the system" to help move away from crony capitalism and toward free markets where if you work hard you can do something that you can be proud of and not just be a paper chaser. Until that happens I guess we just take advantage of the willfully ignorant, not because you want to, but because you have to live in this artificial system.
nwopuppet 3 months ago
@nwopuppet freemarkets can't save the world from the terrible future that is coming. Only the Resource Based Economy idea being advocated by the Zeitgeist movement and the Venus project has any possibility of making this a better world, where just being a part of it would really be something to be 'proud' of.
peterjol 3 months ago
@nwopuppet I already tried that & learned that it didn't work. I speak from experience.
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
Well said. You're almost quoting directly from Harry Browne's book "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World". Have you read it? It's a masterpiece.
webozzy21 3 months ago
@webozzy21 I haven't. I will check it out. Heard lots of good stuff about Browne!
rockstarofredondo 3 months ago
Stalin prominent Illuminati once said.."It doesn't matter who people vote for, they always vote for one of us"...
DesmosediciAlice 3 months ago
Thanks for sharing your viewpoints. I am moving more your way. I really am starting to believe that its rigged anyway. The whole government system is a sham, just looking at Congress proves that. They create laws that we have to abide by that doesn't apply to them. BS is what it is.
TonyTTTank 3 months ago
Did you watch "Thrive" yet? it came out last week. Youtube search it, it has pretty good information...... Voting sucks ass :-)
charlesfuchs 3 months ago
If you listen to Jacque Fresco lectures and read his book, 'The best that money can't buy' .....you eventually come to understand why the whole democratic governmental system is just a ridiculous, pointless charade and why it will never work to make this a better world. Voting is just a part of the nonsense that we have been made to 'believe' in.
peterjol 3 months ago
"Validation of the system." Excellent point. I will likely vote one more time, just to poke the ptb in the eye with RP. After this next charade (2012), if nothing positive occurs, all consent is withdrawn. Over all, understand and support your position. Stand tall in your beliefs... "They ain't wrong!"
Coffeeandasmoke 3 months ago
My guess is all the libertarians are going to vote for RP. My guess and I could be wrong is the PTB will pick who they want in this office which is almost like the Queen of England a symbolic office unless you are a LarRoucheite and belive the Queen is the defacto ruler of the world. But that is besides the point, the PTB will pick their candiate and it probaly won't be the good Dr as that will much up all their plans to dominate us.
valhala56 3 months ago
What is that line in the song, I think it was Janis Joplin goes something like "Freedom means you got nothing else to lose" Something like that. I believe that. Get rid of as many attachements as you can. When you have nothing to lose then you are free, What can they take from you?
The OWS are on the street I think because they got nothing else to lose, they took their houses, jobs, taxed them to poverty & took away their rights.
Now they have nothing to lose-the PTB have everything to lose!
valhala56 3 months ago